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| 委員名稱 |
林俊憲 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:14:10 - 10:24:34 |
| 影片長度 |
624 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-12-04T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請數位發展部部長黃彥男列席報告業務概況及立法計畫，並備質詢。
二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於數位發展部單位預算。
【僅進行詢答；委員預算提案於12月20日中午12時前截止收件】） |
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謝謝主席本時邀請我們數法部黃部長黃部長委員好部長好部長這個就是我們這個1111的簡訊之前有媒體有報導是否被破空其實是詐騙我們應該是沒有被突破系統沒有但是呢有這種1111的假訊息 |
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那這個事情媒體一報導以後那民眾對11的公信力信任度一定會降低那我請教那現在案子有沒有破啊我現在收到111的簡訊我可以點進去嗎 |
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這個案子本身是被破一個歹徒都被逮到了而且他用的設備是大陸的設備那所以我們這個第一個就是我們以後對這種設備要做嚴加管理所以以後不會有啦那我現在收到1111可以點進去嗎報告委員我現在是講說一會收到1111簡訊你要看那個簡訊因為簡訊都會有個連結 |
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那個連結一定是一個legal就是合法的一個連結比如說gov.tw所以在點進去以前還是要看一下那個我看那個連結何必一 |
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政府設立這樣11的簡訊就是方便民眾辨識嗎?對,辨識以後但是...你一般老人哪看得懂什麼現在先會點gov點...哪看得懂?對,就是這個單是多重...第一個我們...那你不是走回頭路?對,沒有。以前就是因為連結很難辨識,所以呢政府就用個11,看到11你就放心點進去,不會是詐騙。 |
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那以後我們會有網路詐騙通報查詢網﹚也許以後民眾在看到這個疫情訊息﹚現在看到11可以填進去行不行啊﹚現在目前應該是﹚我覺得很慘欸政府推11花多少錢我記得那個預算好像一千多萬 |
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所以手機如果有2G功能要把它關掉 |
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有沒有抓到那個詐騙局長 聘請他當顧問 你剛剛問他 什麼東西你沒有辦法騙過去 給他趕趕啦 請他教我們好不好 要不然你發明一個新東西花那麼多錢 他買一個報費這個幾乎不用錢啦 二局的那個機率台現在幾乎是要報費的東西啦 他拿進來可以改那個電話號碼 就把它改成111就騙了嘛 |
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通常是10年前的手機才會有2G的功能啦所以我想這個因為現在台灣是沒有2G網路也沒有2G手機了啦那他拿2G的基地台進來什麼狀況下可以入侵可以騙到我們的因為現在我們是4G、5G網路嘛對 如果你的手機有2G的接收功能你會收到這個簡訊但是現在絕大部分手機這剛剛講就10年前手機也許有2G功能現在新的手機絕對沒有2G功能所以你新買的手機那如果網路不穩定的時候 |
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他這樣傳也是可能侵入喔因為那個剛剛講這個這種是單方向的認證以後從3G以後都是雙向認證也就是說那個基地站跟手機會做出會有一個協議嘛他們就會互相認證這個方法在3G以後的手機是沒有用的就2G還有嘛那2G現在台灣有多少用戶啊就有這種手機要多少差不多知不知道 |
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你的意思是說你手裡拿的是很舊式的手機或是有2G功能才可能被這種騙嗎?是不是這樣?所以潛在的受害者多少?如果今天買的手機是最近才買的或是這一兩年才買的你就不用擔心?就不用擔心那你要跟民眾說明清楚啊所以我剛問你第一個問題你是身為部長你也不太敢回答我問你看到111的訊息能不能點進去? |
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你如果說叫民眾在點進去以前再看一下連結 |
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林俊憲 |
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拜託教大家走回頭路啦對啦那再來就是剛委員有講的就是如果手機是比較新的手機是不用擔心這種假的假的我的意思就是這樣嘛你如果大家知道說為什麼政府的東西是沒有被破解政府的系統沒有被破解他是去拿一個很舊的基地台那針對一些拿 |
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| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
林俊憲 |
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365.611 |
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那還是會有吧那市面上現在要再販售新的附帶二級手機的應該是這個現在二級手機應該是沒有了這個你要跟NCC去了解一下要不然你一一一一整體信用崩盤那怎麼辦因為你有很多政策你有很多部會現在還每天在傳 |
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368.796 |
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所以現在11還可未用啊? |
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新版的手機根本不會放2G的功能 |
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如果像我這種新的手機沒有辦法接受2G的訊息他就收不到這種簡訊嗎?是這樣嗎?對你確定嗎?確定那114還可以用喔?一旦都可以用基本上可以用喔?可以可以如果新手機沒問題我覺得這個要趕快發布會去解決了要不然你用花這麼多錢用了這麼大力宣傳的東西如果公信力崩盤你知道你一拆又重來了 |
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因為今天有委員在關心數位發展部發生那個霸凌事件這事情真相你們要去調查嘛那部長也答覆說啊數位發展部職場霸凌防治及處理作業要點你會依據這個來做規定嗎對啊你這個要點在哪裡啊要點在你根本沒有這個要點你也不會說啦人事處說明你這個要點你有這個要點嗎 |
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報告委跟委員有在哪邊網絡上找不到各部位都有就你們事務部沒有有我們有跟委員報告我們是今年11月28修訂今年多少今年11月28自訂還是修訂那個修訂所以之前就有了有那你放在什麼地方還不能在等一下借我看一下好OK我們等另外喔謝謝 |
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你數話部齁其實各部都有一個反霸凌預算我不曉得大家你數話部沒有編列你知不知道反霸凌預算因為這種反霸凌啦其實不是現在才發生啦以前都有啦所以他很多單位都有反霸凌的甚至還有課程他還有一定的預算你要去執行要去教育只有你數話部沒有因為你說過啦你要設立一個申訴調查小組嘛 |
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對不對?他是無極職啦但是他你要寫報告書還要出席費用等等喔各部會幾乎都有只有...只有你數位發展部沒有啦但你有在單位有啦放在一般行政裡面這個預算你不要在那邊亂講啦你那個說明欄就沒有啦我現在查起來喔你像那個 |
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資安署有啦,結果資安署有啦我查一下你各部的預算你當部長的自己去了解一下你就說你基本上你各部會可是個新單位所以你有一些事項業務你並沒有很完整的納進來你有很多單位你那個數位發展部本身沒有反霸凌的預算這次大家質疑這個數位產業發展署也沒有啦但你資安署有啦 |
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拜訪議員 |
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所謂的第三方,那你可能就有需要一些資助幹麻。對,報告委有編但是沒有說明,所以有說明我們會...請你了解一下好不好。好。好,謝謝部長。謝謝委員。 |
| IVOD_ID |
157772 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157772 |
| 日期 |
2024-12-04 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-23-13 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
13 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期交通委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-12-04T10:14:10+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-12-04T10:24:34+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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