| IVOD_ID |
15777 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/15777 |
| 日期 |
2024-04-01 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-23-6 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期交通委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期交通委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-04-01T08:31:32+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-04-01T12:39:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
04:07:28 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/f826c2e4afc302ddc4feebff739bc37a83679203eefbeec03be8d109af184be4f1dbc82f044bb7215ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-04-01T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期交通委員會第6次全體委員會議（事由：邀請交通部部長王國材就「極端氣候災防預警暨汛期防汛準備辦理情形」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:31:32 - 12:39:00 |
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主席曾召集委員學生3月25日星期一報告事項宣讀上次會議議事錄決定議事錄確定討論事項審查委員傅坤祺等上三人拟據花東快速公路建設特別條例草案案本日會議首先由委員傅坤祺說明提案要旨 |
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繼續由交通部部長王國材、陸正及道安司司長黃韻貴報告並說明後．由委員李坤哲等28人提出質詢均經部長王國材及相關人員分別予以答覆決定一、報告及詢答完畢二、委員劉建國等4人所提書面質詢列入紀錄並刊登公報三、委員於質詢中要求提供相關書面資料或未及答覆部分請交通部盡速以書面答覆 |
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1801.164 |
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1811.217 |
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決議一本案審查完據你據審查報告提報院會討論院會討論前需交由黨團協商院會討論時由陳昭吉文學生補充說明二審查結果討論 |
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1813.084 |
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1832.852 |
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法案名稱第一條至第11條均保留送院會處理3月27日星期三討論四項討論立法院交通委員會進電視調閱專案小組運作要點草案案及相關事宜本日會議由委員魯明哲等8人提案及委員李昆哲等7人提案共兩案並案審查決議 |
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1835.413 |
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1.立法院交通委員會競電室深涉及後續爭議,調閱專案小組運作要點,名稱趙委員,魯明哲等8人,提案修正通過,通過如下第一點字,第16點請委員參閱2.數前議事人員依序調整各要點規定點次,三本小組推舉,林委員國城擔任召集人,散會宣讀完畢 |
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1865.008 |
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1890.837 |
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請問各位委員：上次會議一輸入：有沒有問題沒有沒有問題一輸入確定現在介紹在場的委員陳雪生召委魯明哲委員林佩祥委員林國成委員 |
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1893.905 |
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1922.417 |
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邱若驊委員徐沪葵委員廖先祥委員現在介紹在座的官員王國材部長綜合規劃師張垂龍司長公共運輸及監理司司長林福山司長 |
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1925.742 |
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1951.534 |
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杭政司韓振華司長陸正吉道安司副司長蔡書斌副司長氣象署陳家品署長觀光署周永輝署長公路局陳文睿局長高工局趙新華局長 |
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1955.25 |
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1979.623 |
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民航局核輸品局長韓港局葉協榮局長鐵道局呂新錫副局長台鐵公司杜威董事長淘機公司楊維福董事長港務公司陳少良總經理 |
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1982.025 |
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1998.736 |
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高鐵公司營運資深副總經理陸威東本日交通部進行極端氣候災防預警暨汛期防汛準備辦理情形專題報告現在先請王部長報告 |
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2008.119 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
2035.359 |
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主席、各位委員、各位女士先生以下就《極端氣候災防預警暨汛期防汛準備辦理情形》提出專案報告那每年的5月1號到11月30號是我們定義叫做汛期期間所以在5月1號之前有相關多的一些準備工作必須進行那為利各種災害的預防應變及復原的重建 |
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2035.979 |
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2050.22 |
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那相關的單位都有災害防救這個應變計畫作為執行災害防救的依據然後定期以及不定期的實施相關的演練另外因應氣候的極端 |
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2051.441 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
2073.984 |
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這個我們中央氣象署積極導入先進的科技、精進整合系統強化災防氣象監測的量能在災害前持續監控積累天氣的一個動態提供即時的情資提供各單位進行應變的措施另外本部也管陸海空的交通設施 |
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2075.814 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
2092.35 |
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跟民眾的生活息息相關為降低汛期期間帶來民眾的不便也建置相關的預警監測的這個機制並根據客製化的氣象情資就疫災害的公路、鐵路的這個邊坡橋樑進行包括 |
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2096.137 |
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2116.294 |
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這個雨量、風速、地震的這個監控然後適時啟動交通管制的警戒作為作為交通這個整個的參考來降低災損提早因應來準備那以下的詳細報告我請我們綜合規劃司張垂龍司長跟各位委員做一個詳細的報告謝謝 |
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2131.804 |
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2147.312 |
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主席．各位委員．各位女士先生現在就極端氣候災防預警暨汛期防汛準備情形進行報告．請各位委員指教在極端氣候現況分析 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
2148.032 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
2170.702 |
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中央氣象署結合學研單位合作分析顯示臺灣地區在過去百年來溫度上升約1.5度C年種降雨變化雖然不大但降雨的日數減少顯示短時間的強降雨發生頻率增加在推估未來天候變化方面整體趨勢為冬季變短夏季變長 |
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2172.123 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
2192.836 |
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極端高溫發生頻率增加、村雨減少、梅雨強降雨增加、極端降雨強度及頻率均增強以及青苔、颱風各數雖然減少但颱風強度和降雨均增加七項署持續加強對極端事件的即時監測並適時提出預警資訊以滿足各項災防決策及措施需求 |
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2200.083 |
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2218.877 |
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分別以下就因應旱象、颱風、豪大雨及極端高低溫強化跨機關合作及災防預警機制分別說明如此在因應旱象之預警作為氣象署、經濟部水利署及中研院在民國108年簽訂氣象水利防災 |
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2224.068 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
2238.766 |
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與氣候變遷合作協議書起．氣象署就水庫及水區研發短中長期的雨量預報產品提供水利署做決策參考．彼此密切合作協調．使我國度過109到110年的百年大旱事件 |
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2242.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
2266.371 |
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並在今年持續提供供水情勢等氣象情資給水利署同時也在行政院的指導指揮下與水利署及農田水利部農田水利署合作共同強化水資源利用及調度之決策機制在精進乾旱監測局預報系統方面氣象署持續開發新一代激烈天氣監測系統 |
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2267.672 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
2280.725 |
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提供符合水利署需求之客製化服務並發展乾旱指標監測預警系統建置全臺灣1公里解析度的乾旱監測產品利用衛星遙測監測器監測 |
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2284.693 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
2286.455 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
一旦熱帶性低氣壓或颱風對颱風金馬地區及其近海過程威脅即時發布警報 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
2303.249 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
2311.857 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
並主動辦理地方政府首長直接連線會議,詳細說明颱風動向與風雨影響時程。事實與海上警報時提早發布縣市風雨預測強化縣市生活圈風雨預報說明。同時,氣象署也致力研發更精細的風力預報產品,預計在今年颱風濟取與警報期間事辦沿海地區風力 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
2331.113 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
2358.024 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
預報．協助縣市政府強化停班停課決策．在因應豪大與極端高低溫特報之預警作為．氣象署監測或預測將有強降與發生時．將適時發布豪大與特報．並就具有複合性災害的激烈天氣．發布大雷雨即時訊息．必要時透過災防告警細胞廣播傳送訊息．提供民眾或各相關單位即時應變．在強化 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
2361.189 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
2387.363 |
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暴雨導致溪水暴漲的預警措施方面﹐氣象署將在今年正式辦理山區暴雨溪水暴漲警示服務作業﹐針對高危險溪流區適時透過發送手機災防告警訊息﹐強化水域活動之災防預警機制﹐在跨機關合作及加強預警及宣導作為﹐在交通領域方面﹐氣象局與高速公路局合作建置﹐ |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
2389.984 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
2411.861 |
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觀測點並開發新一代激烈天氣監測克制化系統提供陸海空交通運輸之氣海向監測與警示功能在農民漁牧方面氣象署與農業部透過簽訂之農業氣象資訊服務及應用合作協議規劃在明年前在明年底完成將農業氣象觀測網由現行79站增至 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
2416.765 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
2442.948 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
249站提升我國的農業韌性在強化災防預警機制方面七項署及客氣箱站由手機簡訊等方式持續強化與中央及地方政府的防災聯繫作為在氣象防災宣導方面七項署每年訊期間均辦理多場氣象防災資訊應用研討會等協助政府及媒體等災防相關人員能即時快速 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
2443.388 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
2466.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
正確解讀氣象資訊強化災防應變作為及資訊傳播以上是中央氣象署在極端氣候防災預警作為接下來就交通部各部署機關辦理防汛準備情形提出說明為利各種災害之預防應變及復原重建本部所屬機關均定有災防 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
2468.031 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
2487.456 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
災害防救應變計畫作為執行災防應變的依據並定期及不定期實施演練說明如下公路系統在一般公路未實審到公路於汛期災害發生時避免民眾傷亡風險公路局制定公路防災預警機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
2489.596 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
2510.851 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
並與氣象署合作建設克制化激烈天氣監測系統作為預警訊封橋封路參考資訊．同時將道路通阻資訊運用以CMS等多元管道發布道路警訊傳遞與民眾先行避災以維護用路人安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
2511.812 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
2531.972 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
公路局就邊坡管理及落實防治策略系透過遙測技術收集數位圖資分析歷史災害資料畫設抑制災路段並定性為A、B、C加、C、D級辦理維護補強或整治事宜 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
2533.482 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
2547.098 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
另外,針對老舊橋樑公路局持續運用工程改善外,對於橋樑監測採防災預警管理,利用中央氣象署之歷史降雨及定量降水估計 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
2550.951 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
2578.152 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
強化預警封橋作業在高速公路局部分為強化極端氣候災防預警作為及快速掌握訊息兼致災性天氣訊息高工局與氣象署合作建置國道天候偵測系統可計時獲得國道沿線之溫度、雨量、風速、濃霧等資訊以提醒用路人或實施交通管制 |
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2580.014 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
2589.708 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
作施作為此外高工局利用國道沿線布設超過2900支閉路電視經由交通中心前天後偵看監看 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
2591.038 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
2608.165 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
等科技作為以因應高速公路氣候災害及各項重大災害救災需要在軌道系統高鐵公司與沿線建置包括風速計、雨量計、水位計、地側偵測計及闖入偵測計等災害告警系統當偵測系統偵測直到警戒標準時將警訊傳至行控中心 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
2616.568 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
2643.135 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
高鐵系統將以自動或人工方式控制行車確保行車安全在國營臺灣鐵路公司部分臺鐵公司評估重點路段橋樑請中央氣象署提供每10分鐘更新一次之即時性雨量監測資訊並提供相關氣象情資作為預防性警戒或停止標準 |
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2646.622 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
2647.637 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
在香港部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
2650.421 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
2678.054 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
港公司強化香港災情部署除召開防台防汛會議及落實再建工程工地整備並邀請港港局港區公民事業機構召開防台防汛協調會宣導加強災害應變工作以確保各港區做好防災準備在完備作業程序應變整備部分為因應極端氣候港公司已訂定臺灣港務公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
2680.295 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
2699.545 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
災害防救作業計劃就各類災害緊急應變處理作業程序辦理相關演練訓練督導各港口依災防計劃辦理各項準備工作在機場部分為強化機場防災部署民航局及機場公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
2700.578 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
2722.304 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
就防汛期間機場可能發生之跑滑道破損、空撤外物入侵、航廈漏水、空橋斷裂等災害事件加強部署備援及搶修能量那在完備作業程序應變整備部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
2723.764 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
2744.362 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
為因應極端氣候迷航局所屬各航空站及桃園機場公司均訂定各類災害緊急應變處理程序並辦理相關演練訓練以預防及減低極端氣候強降與颱風所造成之災害在 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
2745.489 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
2770.286 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
海豐期間或極端氣候未因應落實航機起降飛航監理及擬定輸運計劃民航局確實要求國際航空嚴謹簽派飛航作業必考量可能遭遇之不良天候情況訂定轉降等相關作業規定供各航站及 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
2771.127 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
2787.425 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
航機遵循在觀光部份交通部觀光署都請各地方政府掌握所詳易形成孤立或高危險潛勢區域之理數頁名單提醒理數頁者依其危險區域之交通特性及搶通難易度 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
2788.508 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
2799.814 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
評估並備妥10到14天糧食及應用水等物資之安全存量且於營業場所規劃收容場所備置緊急供電系統及通訊設備 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
2802.469 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
2830.943 |
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觀光署並責成所屬國家風景區管理處依相關防災機關發布之訊息及各直轄市縣市政府應變中心開設狀況告知旅客勿前往前述已預警封閉油氣祭典結語為因應極端氣候本部相關所屬機關與災防之預防應變及復原重建均有 |
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2832.339 |
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2849.547 |
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災害防救應變計畫隨著科技日益進步與極端氣候監測災前預警預知災之公路路段及軌道設施邊坡經導入先進科技其能達到提早預知災害發生之可能迅速利用多元管道提醒民眾 |
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於災前啟動警戒作為進而降低災損及汛期期間帶給民眾之不便本部亦將在行政院災防辦公室及國家災害防救科技中心之指導指揮下協同國防部及內政部等單位 |
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2870.08 |
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2896.272 |
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系統所有部署機關持續進行各項氣候監測在陸海空相關預警機制下做好防災準備以上報告進行質詢謝謝現在要進行詢問先宣告以下事項發言時間出席委員6加2分鐘列席委員4加1分鐘 |
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2897.833 |
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2915.533 |
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委員歡迎登記於10點30分截止各委員如有提案請於10點前提出以便議事人員會診暫定10點30分休息10分鐘中午原則上不休息 |
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好 我們現在請登記第一位李坤澤召委發言謝謝徐富奎主席 請一下王國材部長 陳佳平署長部長好 |
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2952.113 |
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2967.347 |
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歐盟有一個戈巴尼氣候變遷服務中心他指出2023年是有紀錄以來最熱的一年那在美國的紐澤西州有一個國際氣候中心他也警示說 |
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2986.057 |
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熱浪會增加5倍紅災的機率會增加50倍火災的機率會增加10倍造成的損害會增長40%以上那相關的普林斯頓的大學他也有相關的研究就是說3到5級的颶風比例這相當於強烈颱風每10年會成長5%那對比 |
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2993.76 |
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1920年代具有破壞力的颱風它會增加三倍以上那另外我們要來看極端氣候也造成我們的相關的災害頻傳我們的2023年災防中心有統計土石流及大規模的崩塌它相關的警戒高達5976次 |
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3030.661 |
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那氣象署有關於地震的在2023年的統計發布的警報也達到13次有感的地震達到85次小規模的地震也達到381次 |
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部長我們對於地震跟極端型氣候它其實是會嚴重的影響交通的安全那地震或者是豪大雨造成的這些邊坡落石或者是滑動都會影響到交通安全不管是台鐵高鐵或者是公路或者是國道那我們在過去一直強調對於邊坡的風險 |
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3073.534 |
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要加強它的管理不管是落石邊坡的分級或者是強化落石的告警確保路線的暢通這些在過去都一直要求交通部來做處理那我們現在明確的來說 |
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3074.835 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
3096.466 |
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要部長來等一下說明我們檢討巡檢的機制加強邊防即時監測及監測的範圍做得如何加強避難指引跟緊急安全注點的這些標示做得如何強化周邊避難資訊的提供以及加強氣象署地震中心的合作來部長讓你簡單說明一下 |
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3114.743 |
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我先簡單說明我們現在對於鐵公路我們都會把它分級比如說ABCD然後A是最嚴重的所以A級的部分就是比如說以鐵路來講每個要巡檢一次B級就每級巡檢一次 |
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委員會主席 |
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3137.39 |
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3160.145 |
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完成準備的時間還有包括演練都要準備好那5月1號到11月30這個是過去談到這個比較容易有風險災害風險的這個時間所以分平常跟這個這個有颱風一些狀況的部分那另外最後一個就是說如果是颱風或地震發生以後 |
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3160.785 |
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3181.698 |
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那個必須在一個很特別的這個檢查那這個也是在我們陸海空都會有這樣的一個相關機制部長這個都要加強去督促尤其像台鐵因為我們看到土石流或者是相關邊坡的滑動的這些狀況在過去我們督促台鐵進行相關的這些 |
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3203.553 |
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高級系統也足以的在裝置必須要去加強它相關的一個進度那高鐵當然是它相關設施比較進步一點那相關對於公路以及國道這些都還是要繼續的加強另外我們來看極端氣候其實對於火災我們也必須要去注意2023年高工局也有統計 |
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3227.311 |
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我們全國的邊坡的這些國道的邊坡發生的火災總共是289件今年1到3月的到3月15號為止已經發生了56件那親民的這種技術也即將到來相關的作為來那個趙局長簡單說明一下是跟委員報告那我們在 |
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3228.211 |
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3252.009 |
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過去的案例的話做一個檢討那我們大概做一些防火帶的一個處理那包括就是說我們有一些邊坡跟那個樹林之間雜木的處理的部分而一些容易起火的這些熱區也必須盤點來跟消防單位來建立區域火災的這些聯防的這些機制聯防機制都建立了那我們所有的都有做標定位的部分都已經跟 |
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3255.771 |
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祈祥署署長我們祈祥署也負責宅房的一些重要的告警的相關的事務另外我們對於教育這個問題我們必須要來嚴肅的探討 |
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3282.389 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
3305.484 |
| transcript.whisperx[69].text |
2019到2023當然我們對於相關的研討會說明會週末的氣象講座以及小學這些宣講我們也辦了非常多的這些場次那氣象食物研習班也有辦理或者是到公司立單位來進行防災的這些氣象的教育宣導那進行了相關的氣象教育及災防的這些宣導 |
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3306.505 |
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3327.451 |
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那其實成績如何我們來看一下我們國家災害防救的這些科技中心調查我們在2018年就是花蓮的地震它瑞士郭文莫也達到6點了有47.6的民眾在災害發生的時候沒有任何動作 |
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3329.476 |
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3351.59 |
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75.6的民眾沒有到空曠處去避難70.3的民眾不知道住家附近有什麼公告的避難地點他也不清楚82.6的民眾沒有參加過防災相關的宣導那如果看2022年池上地震他是瑞士規模6.8有51.1的民眾災害發生時沒有應變動作那8.7的民眾災害發生時 |
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3367.948 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].text |
也沒有應變動作他有分成一或二等級不一樣只有9.8的民眾採用政府宣導的方式保護自己 |
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3368.874 |
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3396.776 |
| transcript.whisperx[73].text |
那我們做國家級警報災害告警的這些系統民眾在接收到警報之後不知如何相關的這些處理這個問題是非常嚴重的部長署長我們災害發生時應變能力不足民眾的應變能力不足第二對於住家附近的防災地點太無法掌握第三也沒有參加過相關的防災相關的宣導 |
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3426.005 |
| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
那這些問題來先請署長說明一下我們如何去加強這些防災的這些教育而且我們看年長者的災防應變能力也不足就是說小學生當然老師有教導但是我們看這些相關的這些研究報告年齡跟民政反應的關係呈現年齡越大那以政府宣導的方式保護自己的比例逐漸下降 |
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3434.11 |
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3443.1 |
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年長者對於災害的應變反應能力下降因此建立完善的觀念是非常重要對於成年人年長者的防災教育不足 |
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3444.742 |
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3470.437 |
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是 這個地方的確是需要加強我們也一直持續在努力那這個從防災的角度來講我們叫做這個最後一里路一定要到民眾他能夠做反應所以這個部分特別是如果是正災的話我們就會跟消防署合作如果是水災基本上就跟水利署合作那怎麼樣在地方上去加強相關的這個訓練教育訓練特別是民眾其實很多是要透過演練 |
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3471.277 |
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| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
的方式或者是還有一些救難的的措施來加強整個的合作所以這個部分我們會會持續來加強好這個都要去加強我們要我們看到我們這些地震的列表當中有132次的災害性的地震就1900年之後132次的災害性地震宜華東三個縣市所發生的災害性地震 |
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3499.216 |
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3522.919 |
| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
是過半數的有66次以上那我們有依照這個社會的脆弱度的這個指標那社會脆弱度就是考量各縣市的這些經濟人口結構那它相關的應變能力復原能力以及它減災整備的這些條件所呈現出來的社會脆弱度的一個指標有幾個縣市 |
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3524.6 |
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3547.339 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].text |
承受災害的能力比較差像彰化、屏東、高雄、雲林、桃園、新北市那接下來我們都要去會同教育部、內政部以及災防中心等單位依照以上的標準去強化類似區域的防災教育那對於這些廉長者我們要正確的這些防災的措施透過國家級警報 |
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3548.635 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].end |
3575.064 |
| transcript.whisperx[80].text |
能不能也附帶在這些應變的措施裡面首長簡單讓你說明一下好那這個部分其實國家警警報是一個重要的事情不過還是在最後一路那目前我們在對特別是對於這個國中小學全台的相關的這個這個學校其實都有裝了這個地震的強度的相關的預警就說我們在透過細胞廣播系統在發送這些國家警警報的時候 |
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3576.044 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].end |
3578.314 |
| transcript.whisperx[81].text |
能不能去附帶說避難的地點 |
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3580.353 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
3606.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
好 我們來研究相關的訊息因為國家緊急報它有美國好像有在做這樣的一個相關的設置他們有在做這樣的設置他們不只是地震他們好像連如果有國防防空有這種飛彈來襲他們也甚至連相關的這些防空避難的地點也都會標示出來這個我們再來進行相關的研究好 謝謝 |
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3610.027 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].end |
3622.747 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
謝謝李章偉德發言現在請徐富奎委員發言謝謝主席 有請部長請王部長 |
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3632.689 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
3653.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
剛剛在簡報資料裡面我們有看到就是說這個針對這個天然極端氣候的一個防災部分我們有做一些因應的準備但是根據本席的了解其實像屏東我們有一些地層比較低窪的地區我們有一些的交通基礎建設卻變成淹水的一個主因 |
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3654.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
3655.801 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
請教部長我們有沒有針對這樣的一個易淹水的一個交通建設做一個盤點 |
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3671.181 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
3681.114 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
我們在鐵路、台鐵鐵路的部分他們事實上在整個車站第一個那基礎設施的強韌這部分他們實際進行那過去他們的確對於防水這個 |
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3686.441 |
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3711.029 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
這個淹水部分也做一些像抬高的這些這個相關的一些建設但是在屏東比如說在黃寮這些比較低窪地點的確現在他們也有一個計畫希望在黃寮用大平台把他這個稍微把他提高我想說這部分有的是當地的另外很重要一點他事實上跟當地的排水系統有關 |
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3712.209 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
3712.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
委員會主席委員會主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
3732.619 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
3733.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
部長請教防療高價的進度目前進展到什麼階段 |
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3751.071 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
3770.629 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].text |
目前是希望在因為第一屆屏東是希望說整段那我們現在是在對於訪寮這個部分現在在整個鐵道局這邊有一些這個相關的研究我們現在目前是比較支持在訪寮這個部分的這個另外也解決那邊交通的問題 |
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3771.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
3796.888 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
部長請這個我們加快期程這個因為汛期也到了老百姓都在關心這個問題都是擔心這個問題那另外剛剛我們氣象署這邊報告有提到我們今年颱風季會事辦所謂沿海地區一個風力預報的一個狀況那我想每逢這個颱風或是豪大雨的時候我們的縣市長就會陷入放假的天然交戰 |
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3797.628 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].end |
3813.235 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
那這部分是不是請署長來說明一下我們怎麼樣做這樣的一個預報的機制是這個部分我們也是一直感覺到需要加強所以其實我們在這個大前年開始已經在辦理特別是在颱風來臨期間如果可能牽涉到 |
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3814.816 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].end |
3841.853 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].text |
就是放假的時候就會跟縣市首長做連線然後並且討論各縣市的相關狀況那如果各縣市如果有相關的問題的話我們會在這邊來做詢問那當然在今年也特別在做一個加強的部分就是有關我們在在這個海岸地區因為海岸地區的這個風力和這個在比較靠都會區的風力有點不太一樣所以在今年也特別會加強 |
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3845.361 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
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臺風來臨的時候海岸地區的強風相關預報資料提供縣市首長們來做相關的停班停課決策參考平東地勢有些地方比較空曠當然我們在預估上面的數字希望要求更精準化一點 |
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對我們一個縣市首長甚至鄉鎮一個放假的一個準備要不然每逢這個颱風一來或是這個豪大雨的時候這個家長疲於奔命這部分我們也要求我們氣象組這邊能夠加快這個這個速度然後把這個預報的一個準確性能夠強化這部長這部分是不是可以承諾一下是 我想大概就是剛才說就朝朝子方向進行對我們會來加強 |
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另外就是我們後天開始就是4月4號開始我們有104天的連假那根據我們這個媒體報導了我們這次的親民連假將會是史上的新高針對這部分部長有沒有什麼因應的對策 |
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清明節的聯繫假日跟其他不一樣是說很多人都提早返鄉掃墓所以基本上是還有一些分散的確是說掃墓這件事情國安很重視幾乎都是變成一定會這樣去掃墓的行為所以車潮特別多在高空局的部分已經有一個完整的一個相關的計劃那清明當天包括我還有我們所有的首長我們的次長都會 |
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分曬在各地去視察那個看輸運的一個狀況隨時會有一個應變部長我有個情形我要反映一下就是上個禮拜五我們在八八這個八八快速道路朝周往高雄的路段發生一個交通的一個車禍結果因為我們入口處的沒有相關的一個預警系統告示系統也沒有設立所謂的電子看板 |
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造成我們很多的車流量一直往上全部都塞在所謂的88上面這部分高工局未來是不是有可能在我們的相關入口處設立電子看板做相關的一個提示 |
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委員報告就是說那個我們假如是說他那邊有事故的話我們在每一個交道兩兩交道之間一定有CMS一定會把他打出來訊息我們兩邊有在交通有些事已經上去的已經上去的話我們就想辦法看怎樣來做這個可能整個我們應變的速度上面是不是應該要加快一下 |
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這部分請我們再強化一下那針對我們這個先目前面臨客運這個尖峰時期班次不足然後也有地方首長提到要開放所謂的外籍司機跟雙乘巴士上國道這個政策部長您同意嗎 |
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基本上就是說開放外籍司機就跟李樹葉開放這個移工一樣就是也牽涉到勞動部的一個政策比如說對於我國的這些司機就業市場所以我想這部分 |
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這部分就是持續來進行 |
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雙層巴士的高度到4米4在國外都是屬於市區觀光客運慢速的部分所以在行駛高速公路快速的部分基本上是有安全上面的一個考量目前雙層巴士大概主要是應用在臺北市、高雄還有台南就是這個市區觀光做觀光的用途為主 |
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那我想最後一個問題我還是要請教一下部長針對目前我們台鐵這個屏東線的運量有逐步的成長但是以本行因為我也是長期都在搭火車那我們也有一些鄉親反應我們現在區間車車的班次很難等有時候從高雄到南周林邊加東有時候要等一個半小時以上那針對這部分我們 |
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臺鐵公司怎麼來因應怎麼來做改善因為這個對很多的我們的通勤組尤其是學生這個相當的不方便師哥委員報告以南州為例在尖峰時段就是上下班這個通勤時段其實headways還可以 |
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那現在主要就是在其他時段我們也發現說有兩個時段這個headway太長了那這個部分我們會通盤檢討來做改善對 因為我們現在既然有一個潮州機場在這邊大家對這個我們的區間車的期待值很高是不是請台鐵公司來檢討一下我們整個班次的調度尤其是上下班的尖峰時段是是是好 謝謝本期資訊到這邊結束 |
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徐委員發言完畢現在請林國成委員發言請部長陳署長另外一張 |
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好 部長今天特別謝謝我們召委排這個行程其實世界各國對於極端氣候不是只有今天在談他已經談了好幾年可是為什麼會有極端氣候那這個 |
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就要及時管理到底極端氣候他的如何定位局長那個署長你聽喔如何定位極端氣候標準何在這是非常重要所以我一再我記得我們氣象署在做業務報告的時候我就一直在提醒我甚至於還一直為氣象署 |
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請命遺棄世界各國先進遺棄是非常重要所以我現在要請教部長到底極端氣候他的定義還有精準度為何這兩點請部長或署長來做回答跟委員報告一下這個如果依照世界氣象組織的定義 |
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極端氣候它事實上是用過去所發生的所有的這個天氣事件在做排序然後之後呢就是極端高的部分就是用90%位極端低的部分就是10%位以下的這個平均值它當作極端的狀況 |
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所以在過去在每個地方所發生的極端狀況其實有點不太一樣因為每個地方的這個氣候的背景統計都不一樣那極端天氣的部分就是在這個區間裡面所發生的單一的某一個事件就是稱之為極端天氣所以極端氣候它其實是一個統計值或是我們說氣候的極端值 |
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那基本上就是剛剛我講的90%位和10%位來分別定義這個極端的高和極端的低好 處長 |
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這個當然啦定義跟他的標準要把它定出來只有你知道連部長也不知道連立法委員也不知道但是老百姓更不了解所以你們一天到晚就是極端極端但是事實上可以看得出來喔現在任何的天氣除了你氣象署一倍一準的東西以外 |
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確實極端是未來整個環球裡面非常重要所以我為什麼要問定義何在那個標準為何我為什麼要去問這些老百姓不知道老百姓完全不知道所以 |
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署長你就特別要去注意這個有時候還是要宣導的有時候還是要宣導讓老百姓知道大家全民共同來面對極端氣候產生的任何的災害這是很重要可是我沒有看到我們交通部去做這個事情所以今天既然有這個主題 |
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身為立法委員必須要提醒部長或署長這是非常重要老百姓了解他就會配合老百姓不了解他就無法配合就會產生意外 |
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產生意外所以署長跟部長這個可能特別要去注意一下好那另外簡單回應一下就是說極端氣候因為這個非常學術我也是立下90跟10%但是極端氣候的因應在我們陸海空事實上都有相關的因應的計畫比如我們有一些比較先進的偵測設施還有定檢的這些平常的加強我想有在做 |
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那這個是應該是我們交通部的基礎設施裡面很重要的預防現在這部分有在進行部長我的意思就是說讓老百姓多了解對於我們整個預防預防勝過治療 |
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不要把事情發生以後就是老百姓不知道他不曉得如何去預防才會產生意外所以每一次我們極端氣候發生災害通常都是因為老百姓不知道 |
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你可以看得出來有時候明明你們斷定出來有土石流你要請他去安置都還要發揮警察的貢獻力他才會去做但是如果讓老百姓知道極端氣候產生的某種程度的危險度他自然就會配合所以這是宣導標準很重要另外一個我本期啊認為啊 |
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特別要提醒署長官方的數據如何去做防範來 署長我們的授意啦你們知道 別人不知道各單位也不知道 |
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我會點出這個問題就是以後你們現在做不好所以官方數據非常重要 |
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因為官方發出來的數據才具有公信力不要用猜測的要有數據告訴各單位你們要準備去做預防現在我們都是搶救 |
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現在我們都是什麼?看天說話所以這個是不可以的既然極端氣候不是只有今年不是只有明年未來都是要去面對所以我要拜託署長這個一定要有官方書記下令下去通所有的各單位他們才會有緊急性的預備所以這個部分拜託署長你這個部分要好最後 |
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我要問部長 極端氣候產生的這些種種的災害欸 你很重要欸 部長 交通啊 公路啦 什麼費欸 交通攤販就如同整個跟戰時沒有兩樣欸所以 極端氣候產生的這些是非常無情的所以這個部分 我要聽聽部長因為你們的報告 寫得洋洋灑灑 各單位好像是準備好了 |
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說實在防災勢頭作戰人民的生命財產非常重要所以部長你針對這個問題你們交通部各單位有什麼防災思考邏輯 |
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三個階段,第一個是平常的定檢,我們會分,比如說我們現在邊坡跟橋樑分ABCD對於邊坡比較危險的部分,就是巡檢的頻率,比如說每個月一次 |
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那第二個就是今天要報告的訊期期間從5月1號開始因為我們是抑制這段時間颱風、豪雨這個黃訊期大家都知道啦所以我們一般會在3月底以前大概都演練跟準備好了第三個就是剛才委員所提到的當氣象署通報颱風、豪雨或地震的時候這時候他們的這個準備 |
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有的當然地震很難,比如說地震如果發生以後就是事後,事後的興建可是颱風之前,那是有特別的一個巡查事實上就是說氣象署這幾年有幾項很重要,比如說他們的超級電腦這個也一直讓它在數位的預測方面越來越準,這個是有在做另外就是陸海空的我們的一些相關的路側的偵測設施 |
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這個部分要加強像你昨天下一個大雨我台北市的407就馬上把電線打下來或什麼這代表什麼這不是台北市政府的問題而是您給他官方的數據是不確定沒有一個政府可以看到災害很樂意看到災害 沒有 |
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地方政府也好中央政府也好所以既然我們中央政府已經發現到這是極端氣候來的更兇猛的這些災害所以我們就要特別最後我必須要提醒我們部長不是只有工程補強 |
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暖體很重要宣導很重要所以這兩者之間一 剛才我問的這些準確度的問題官方的數據的問題可以做預防的動作任何任何的天氣預防勝過治療所以我要拜託部長除了你們每一個人就就位去要做救災準備的情況之下他的 |
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政府的精準度很重要還有軟體很重要還有演練很重要讓哪一百姓知道這樣全民來配合這樣才有辦法面臨極端氣候的未來的大災害所以部長這點特別提醒好不好我覺得委員提醒很重要我們持續要來加強好 謝謝 |
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林委員發言完畢．現在請林佩祥委員發言主席請王部長跟桃園機場董事長、楊董事長上台部長還有楊董事長林委員好 |
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部長針對昨天的急降雨針對昨天的好大雨是一個很明顯的極端氣候的體現不過對本席還有對很多一般的國民來講當我們看到說桃園機場又一次在漏水我們3月3號才遇到一次稅休大災期那我們昨天早上7點一行下漏水二行下漏水甚至漏了30分鐘那本席就會想請問一下這一個 |
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說真的說這句重話是實在的臘賊的國門請問發生了什麼事我想說請部長還是請市長解釋一下昨天第一航廈跟第二航廈的山樓的確因為昨天的這個強降雨讓它排水來不及 |
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那這一部分目前這個已經陶器昨天也做一個一個這個整個檢討那現在1月1號航廈的屋頂防水工程他們在應該上禮拜3月25號已經動工了 |
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部長你知道桃園機場到底漏水漏了幾年嗎?10多年喔! |
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我這邊本席拿到的資料從2010、2011、2012、2013、2014、2016、2018、2019、2023到今年都在漏水十幾年了十幾年都在漏水而且每年這個不是本席在捏造的桃園機場都很清楚一次漏漏的十幾年 |
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就算是結構性問題也該修的差不多了吧每年都看到漏水每年都有人滑倒每年都有事情出現那我想請問一下這10多年來的修繕運算到底滑到哪裡去了我想不是只有本席很疑問所有人都很疑問這件事情吧10多年了我請總經理說明一下 |
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我想跟林委員報告因為我們整個行下它是一個結構我們的面積跟幾個數字跟委員報告我們包含屋頂T1 T2的屋頂以及長樑的面積總共有10萬超過10萬平方公尺那我們的所有在這個屋頂上面有很多的填縫料 |
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這些長度大概有18000多公尺所以在我們目前的做法我們會有那我想請教總經理你們知道你們去年的淘機的修理保養跟保固費用總金額是多少嗎是我們總共編的大概是22億左右那實際執行率呢實際執行率我們大概執行了17億左右那這就是17億去年總金額是將近23億執行率差不多18億然後這就是我們維修的成果嗎 |
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去年7月15號也划過一次人喔今年3月31號又划了一次人然後你跟我講說你們執行的很好說你們幫國家省錢是嗎 |
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包括委員應該這樣我們應該這樣講就是說基本上這個防水的部分的處理我們是持續在辦理因為也跟委員報告我們都有在監控過去您剛提到的過去的這個漏水點我們都有在監控總經理部長我也很好奇一個問題你十幾年來難道有哪一年沒有編預算給哪個桃園機場嗎十幾年加起來如果說每一年都是23億十年下來也是230億 |
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然後你跟我講說每年還在漏水你覺得我這樣本席在那邊聽到的時候現在在聽的國人們會覺得說這樣是可以的嗎然後一天到晚說我們這是國家門戶國家門戶國家門戶然後國家門戶一天到晚在漏水一天到晚在淹水一天到晚廁所都有問題的確這個漏水是整個基礎設施必須他們維護的一部分 |
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那這一次他們這個3月25號已經動工就針對一二航廈的這次專對屋頂的這個防雪工程來做我是希望說這一次是徹底把可能的點都找出來部長還有第三航廈還在處理還有第三航廈的問題喔第三航廈現在急降雨之後是不是未來的工程會出問題 |
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第三航廈、新航廈我覺得這一部分在他們整個工程裡面就要非常注意這個課題了的確一二航廈都是很老的航廈了那但是這個維護漏水還是不應該我想這部分在3月25號動工的這個防水工程我希望他們做一個最完整的 |
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因為既然桃機已經今年第一個大新聞就是3月3號大災期那我現在要漏水那我想請問一下今年我記得上次我們去考察應該是3月15號16號我們去考察的時候特意提過說今年的北跑道也要遂修請問什麼時候開始什麼時候完工Lotus to Airmen有沒有發 |
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跟委員報告我們有關北跑道稅修我們現在正在對跑道維護的機制的精進正在做檢討所以我們會等到這個檢討機制確認以後請跟我說什麼時候讓我們民眾知道說大概什麼時候要稅修大概什麼時候可能又會大塞機至少讓我們知道總不能說今天我們去看過一次檢討過一次之後然後這個今年底又發生一次吧會不會這樣子事情發生 |
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不會這樣子那因為北訪到稅修這次的工程的內容我們會依據這個進行檢討的結果再來安排不會再發生3月的這個事件 |
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總而言之都是為了要把這個通勤的狀況把它給紓解 |
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那目前有一個我跟國當市長我們跟很多市政府高層在一起在討論的時候發現說如果最直接最快速的方法可以解決通行的問題反而是說是否能夠增加台鐵直達車目前從基隆到台北台鐵直達車尤其是在上班尤其是在上班通勤時間大幅度的如果能夠大幅度的增加會減少我們基隆市民在通行上面不便 |
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我請董事長跟委員報告因為現在七堵到臺北這個路段我們有肩負兩個一個是往基隆的另外一個是往東部的本席知道北回鐵路的難處本席只是說在你們的能力範圍之內盡量 |
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盡量多開台鐵直達車因為說真的如果說要部長也知道高速公路你要拓寬那個工程是非常的巨大高速公路你要再建第二條那工程也是非常的巨大但是如果能夠實質上把從基隆到臺北通勤處從高速公路上面轉移到用軌道運輸不管是未來的捷運還是現在的台鐵都會是一個對我們很有幫助的方式所以這邊建請部長在這邊請台鐵這邊研擬說直達車的直達車這個提案 |
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我先簡單,他的難處就是現在這個七堵到這個樹林這是一個往北跟往南發射地雷,所以這個區間裡面秘密嘛,他平移在這個地方所以他如果要發一個自動車,我想這部分部長我了解這個技術性我知道這個困難,只是說在能夠的方式之內因為如果我們不想,本席今天早上6點10分出門6點40分就差點塞在高速公路上面 |
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林委員發言完畢 現在請蔡奇昌委員發言 |
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謝謝主席請交通部王部長請王部長蔡委好部長早安今天主席特別安排了極端氣候下我們所有交通因應跟所有的設施本席想要今天就在極端氣候底下我們的國內橋樑的問題 |
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我們大概中央管跟地方管的橋樑大概有多少座兩萬多座中央大概佔比多少 |
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目前哪一個等級的橋樑交通部列為要立刻處理 |
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2萬多座橋樑是U4等級的佔比有多少? |
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跟委員報告在109年到111年齁這個部分的話全國已經做過兩萬多座的一個盤點了那時候行政院的話其實有個專案計畫所以對於就是說期待要處理的部分當初已經處理了101座 |
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然後花了14億多所以當初處理完 處理完畢之後112跟113的話其實是持續就各縣市政府還有這個中央管的橋樑做定期的檢測那定期檢測之後只要就是說發現U3我們沒有到U3的部分的話其實就要做相關的處理了那公路局在這個去年其實還發文給各縣市政府就是說我們會協助他們就是說如果處理U3以上的 |
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那目前就是說各縣政府有提報有25座那我們也就是說協助他們就是說做相關的一個這個經費的一個協助所以U4等級已經沒有了改善完畢了對在上次上一波的部分其實都已經檢測完畢那現在U3等級有多少座待改善 |
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跟委員報告就是我們在去年年底的時候請各縣政府提報我們公路系統因為還有其他的這個市區道路系統公路系統的部分我們收到25座局長我的意思就是說我希望知道一下U3等級 |
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全台灣需要改善那他可能是中央管也可能是地方管我想要知道中央管有多少座U3地方管多少座U3那我們打算要多久的時間把這些U3等級需要改善的把它改善完畢 |
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是跟我們報告我們這個U3的我們公路局沒有我們公路局沒有就是說這個要這個U3的部分那地方的在這個去年我們年底的時候請他們就是說這個檢測通報的話是提報了25座那一般來說的話其實是一年內要做相關的改善好換言之把這25座搞定之後我們沒有U3U4了對不對應該這麼說嗎 |
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也就是換言之沒有立即危險就不過每年齁因為每年其實包括地震跟颱風還是要再做檢測對 它還是應該這麼講它是每年檢測有時候原來U2變成U3所以暫時就是如果處理現階段但是後來會變二化就是每年靠每年檢測它會老化啦對對對好 那我們目前啊 |
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我記得在2016年左右我們跟國家實驗研究院有做斷橋預警系統現在我們運用在橋樑的狀況數量有多少 |
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因為那個部分的話國研院的話他有就是說他其實是做這一個整個降雨跟那個這一個這個和那個橋樑沖刷的一個模擬系統那目前就是說預警的大概有合作這個研究是5座不過我們公路局的話研究的效果怎麼樣 |
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他大概就是說因為是一個模擬系統就是依照降雨的狀況那模擬之後的話其實如果說這個強降雨的話在這一個如果說對於這個橋樑有影響的話在6小時前他會有預警的效果如何效果如何我覺得其實是很好因為我們我們公路局目前也有相關的警戒指那很好 |
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我們到目前為止還只是只有裝5座那為什麼我們他很好為什麼我們不多加利用呢因為我們現在其實公務局也有另外就是說自己本身也有相關的一個預警系統那所以其實公務員上面跟他的這個我們會再跟他們再做相關的一個這個討論跟比較 |
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對 那價格誰好因為目前其實我們的系統我們自己本身已經就是說相關的包括預測跟這個預警警戒跟行動詞我們其實已經都有了啦 |
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那這個部分 高峰區有沒有看到高峰區應該請委員報告齁 那其實來講說 這套系統它是其實來講是最好的應用是事後檢討啦它不是說那個當場的一個方法 因為它是知道說洞窗的一個情形 才會說我其實沒有對 我對於兩者之間我沒有興趣啦我只是站在人民的角度 我希望當暴雨來的時候國家可以提早告訴我 這條橋不能走 |
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那你們誰的系統好到底是什麼問題為什麼只有裝這個目前的監測橋樑的監測狀態是如何我想要知道是這個 |
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那目前來講因為他那個兩萬多座橋樑裡面值得裝監測系統的橋樑目前有在做的大概就是像那個我們幾個濁水溪河系的比如說台三線的民間大橋或是我們那個濁水溪橋或者是說那個我們在大甲溪橋這個地方有沒有沒有關係我只是希望知道到底有多少座橋你們可以有進行這個所謂監測然後接著可以預警 |
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因為每一個橋的狀況不一樣沒關係沒關係你只要告訴我有多少座就好了那目前來講的話我們大概就是選幾個沒有關係你選了幾個我們現在國道部分是濁水溪橋跟大甲溪橋好兩個 |
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所以換言之我們的橋樑裡面有預警系統這樣全台灣不論是你們自己的系統加這個所謂國家實驗研究院的系統這樣加錢有多少監測跟委員報告就是說國研院是兩個那我們其他的每一座橋都有那個也就是說我們的水位觀測的一個監測系統就是說是人工監測還是電腦監測目前大概都是電腦就是說直接監測那這個輸水到低於1.5公尺的時候就有預警 |
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對那多少你們認為只有用水位監測的系統達到多高的水位時候就叫這個橋就要封閉對我們出水高低於1.5的時候就要封閉了就封閉了是所以換言之我們每一座橋樑的這幾乎都有監測對這個部分都有監測是吧好對那我的意思只是來問你說齁這個當時我們叫做2016年首創全球第一個斷橋預警系統 |
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那我只是說斷橋預警系統就我所知道有5個地方你們做了這個測試那我只是希望你們要好好的檢討這5個斷橋系統測試的結果是好是壞啦那為什麼只有5個為什麼你們不做500個那表示他這個預警系統是不是會來的比你們只監測水位來的好 |
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我希望你們這個做一個報告給我啦就是為什麼我們到底它是什麼原因譬如說預警系統一個這個架構的成本可能非常高高到嚇死人的地步所以交通部無法籌措這個經費還是說這個預警系統其實不好沒有什麼太大的用處所以我們裝了五個之後我們就決定不裝了 |
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所以我的意思是說科技啊他可以解決很多我們談極端氣候嘛所以極端氣候我們希望透過減碳的方式來讓極端氣候減緩 |
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但是我們因應極端氣候我們要有把科技的方法引進那斷橋的問題其實每次當汛期或者暴雨的時候我們其實大家都很緊張我作為民意代表我也很緊張常常在大甲溪跟大安溪的橋頭陪著在地的里長跟鄉親那有沒有可能在所有的橋樑上面到底他什麼原因我們的監測狀況是如何 |
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最後大甲溪跟大安溪本席過去一直常年在爭取這兩個橋樑市場已經非常久了又是台一線主要的交通動脈 |
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當時承諾我2027年要完工差不多60天嘛2027年要完工這個時間有沒有問題2027年底要完工這個部分的話就是說因為可行性評估過了我們現在正在做設計沒關係啦你就告訴我們時間有遷就沒有啦 |
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蔡委員發言完畢 |
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下一位是魯明哲委員在魯委員發言之前先做以下宣告等一下我們在何新淳委員發言完畢之後休息10分鐘那另外本日有委員提出臨時提案依本會往例在登記質詢的本會委員發言告一段落之後處理 |
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那稍後我們與許智傑委員巡打完畢後．隨即處理臨時提案．現在請魯明哲委員發言好 謝謝主席 有請我們交通部王部長 王國光局我們趙局長請高光局趙局長魯院好 |
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來這個地方交通電視其實在這個過去的一屆也長期在跟我們部長跟局長長期來討教我們現在先來這個問一下因為我在上一屆第一次的總諮詢就是問的是我們中立大家很需要的中風交流道那現在當然有進度我們往北向的沙道這個部分我們預計現在正在施工 |
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預計114年明年年底完工這個目標我們講過蠻多次的現在進度如何?狀況如何?明年底完工的可能性如何?跟委員報告中峰交道目前進展還算順利3月29號我們那個三車道的部分已經延伸到就是閘道的口那部分已經先破關完那整個一個疏解 |
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現在還是目標就是明年底嗎? |
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希望說繼續我們來注意施工的一個品質希望能夠如期如質能夠在明年年底我們整個不光是我們南區事實上整個全國人民都多一個交流道好下這個部分要特別拜託你那現在隨著中峰北路交流道他有拓寬這個路段那個路段已經開放了嗎還是已經開放了嗎 |
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對於我們內地交通道上去的那個有沒有疏解作用?對於下游的部分的一個疏解有很大的一個改善那我們現在目前在觀察中,會把這整個觀察結果再跟回報告那第二個勒,其實等了4年啊,因為剛好是109年的4月份那一年第一次的總諮詢那時候我們的這個目標是中風交通道當然是要南北雙套啦因為我們現在後面因為北邊有錢所以我們先做了看起來現在也沒有錯,明年就完工了 |
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我們那時候講的知道我們整個當時行政院的一個規劃就是他也認定中峰北路他當然南邊北邊都要做是全套但是那時候的意思公文說希望分期第一期就是現在做的先做一個北向那現在第二期當時在正式的行政院公文裡面特別是黃字的部分就中峰北路交流到第二期南向 |
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可並同舞陽高架直接往苗栗南岩到頭份拓寬那個計畫再行檢討目前進度如何跟委員報告就是說院合訂之後的話目前我們已經委託顧問公司就是做舞陽的北段的那一家中心顧問目前在辦理相關的一個評估了那這個部分的話我會朝著就是說跟舞陽的完工啟程是同樣的時間完成一起把它處理起來 |
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現在因為剛剛那個先決條件要並同國道1號楊梅頭份段這樣的一個南沿工程那這個部分在去年的12月已經行政院核定了就是這個主體的所以我們南向因為道路不夠寬怕上去反而堵車所以當時我們討論了我們理解了那要等 |
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我們南沿到苗栗透寬之後我們南沿就可以來做那現在行政委員合情通過了也看到你們抓的那個這個往苗栗舞陽高架繼續南沿的工程在預計115年啊就後年就開工啊要到121年完工啊 |
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所以我今天的講法是說等了四年也終於等到當時說要配合南沿的一個主要的計畫他也通過了所以我現在要拜託一下就是我們有跟高中局調資料嘛你們這個這樣的時程表會不會落實啊我們那個鄉親都很關心啊也就是說今年今年你剛剛講的請多中心顧問可行進評估綜合規劃有沒有辦法做到 |
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明年很快就到了然後終歸工程設計用地取得明年的經費今年 |
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明年只能辦到設計還沒辦法去辦用地114年我直接說了因為一個計畫 |
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如果沒有壓時間那就是笑話一個計畫如果沒有具體的經費那就是鬼話嘛所以我今天要確定時間對不對經費有沒有那你老實說明年終歸大概要編多少費用 |
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明年的中規的費用目前還在就是我們委託中心的那個案子裡面一起來用掉了那用地的部分必須要115年115年我才會再好那我想這樣因為你們給我的時間表是這樣的我們希望大家努力朝這個方向 |
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中風北陸北向 |
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北向的部分如果114年年底如期完工剛好無縫接軌這邊通車了那邊我們南向也配合我們這個舞陽高架南沿苗栗一併來做施工我是覺得要盡快來做拜託這個部長來支持一下好不好我想那個我們局長已經都把他拉到這個跟舞陽一起設計了 |
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然後他走過綜合規劃這個部分也有他個別的經費我們就以115年施工為目標好那公務總局這個現在局長還是部長你們知道一個這樣覺得部分營業這個等於說算是高風險的營業車輛已經慢慢要進入一個無保時代所謂主要是 |
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他們的車輛到齊了每一年保一次第三責任險第三責任險主要是說這樣的一個大型的車輛物流的車輛跑在高速公路跑在我們的道路上他萬一發生了事故是對車外 |
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的確在物流貨運車他加保這個第三責任險因為過去可能在保險公司覺得他風險很高 |
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那這個部分因為牽涉到這個金管會的職責我們來跟金管會討論一下要怎麼樣這個部長要出面啦因為我們辦公室不瞞您說啦也辦了一些協調會啦但是我是覺得不管因為疫情之後很多保險公司虧得很慘 |
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對不對所以他在精挑細選選一些他覺得會比較好的其實我們當然也可以理解可是當一堆沒有第三責任選擇不管物流的車輛大型的車輛在街上送貨營業的時候對於國人可能產生影響是非常非常大的那再來其實我們一般的私家車我們都是針對於人我們自然人就覺得我這個有沒有出事然後明年大概保險費有沒有多一點 |
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他跟著人走可是在這法人的業者呢這些獲贏的業者勒他是跟著車走車走啊也就是說前一個時機不太好他開了某某牌照的這個車然後第二年其實換一個全國優良駕駛他還是不保所以我是覺得現在業界齁我想這個局長你要稍微聽一下齁業界在推啦那乾脆齁乾脆職業駕駛他自己有責任險啦我覺得他也沒負責任啦 |
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你不能光這台車他換到優良駕駛你還是不給他保車本身是死的嘛人是活的最後我要拜託拜託我們交通部公務總局正視這個問題正視這個問題最主要原因是因為 |
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他們要去保又保不到要加錢求人家現在我們桃園就有一個200多台車的業者有100台貨車現在每天吃飯都還在路上跑已經跑了4個月了那誰碰到萬一有什麼意外他負擔不起 |
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可能碰到人大家都一起引發一個大的社會問題啊那我想拜託我們局長啊因為你在此同時你沒有推所謂的EIS來推動獲應商業怎麼樣去管理教他們怎麼去管理你們怎麼樣去安全管理然後大家照著做有照著做有加分沒有照著做扣分然後未來可能牌照年度評鑑都有問題其中就有一條必須跑第三責任險你知道嗎你這有點欺負人啊 |
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就我要憑借你喔來你們每一台車都要給我保第三責任險他去跪著求業者不給他保回來你再幫他扣分不是啦交通部你們跟財政部你們要溝通一下他要保 |
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他要保你不讓我保然後你們這邊又評鑑問你們監理站就說抱歉你們自己去協調所以這個已經很久了那最後我也提醒一下我們那個觀光署這一個無保的車輛的風已經吹到租賃車了不要到時候國外這麼多自駕遊的我們這邊很多人也出國自駕遊簽保險我們現在大概有幾百台租賃車人家國外來這邊旅遊的 |
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也開始不保的我希望全面討論這個問題不要讓這些車輛很多的無保沒有第三責任險的在臺灣的街道上這樣子走對於整體會是一個社會問題我就這樣建議拜託部長注意這個問題是好我來跟金管會主委稍微提一下跟或許我們公務局跟這個金管保險局做一些討論好謝謝盧委員發言完畢現在請邱若驊委員發言 |
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主席好有請部長請部長 |
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極端氣候對公共建設造成的影響因應極端氣候必須提升公共工程的防災還有抗災能力那氣候已經是影響是否能如期如質完工的其中一個重要的因素那應該讓主辦機關可以先判斷潛在的風險還有變數擬定有效的因應措施作為那請教部長 |
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目前交通建設有許多工程已經在進行中還有帶動工那有哪一些方案有因應氣候變遷能如質如實的完工那氣象署有請署長氣象署如何精準的提供這些短期中期還有長期的預測訊息還有相關研究資料給這些工程主管單位是 |
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目前工程會有一個公共工程競取工地防災減災的作為要點換句話說它事實上有一些要求工程主辦都要做的事情包括剛才委員所提的事前的預防跟事後的 |
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副副副副副副副副 |
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就是在中央的部分地方我們現在也針對地方橋樑已經開始做一個評鑑的工作那這個意思是說過去在地方政府有些橋樑是比較危險的我們現在也透過這個減修曆跟維修曆的這個評鑑每年辦這個這樣一個評鑑來公布部長我有看到幾乎都是在每年的3月跟4月份那除了3月份4月份之外呢 |
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就是平常就是有這樣定檢然後汛期檢有一個這個更這個準備演練還有相關的工作如果在有災害的時候預防也有做如果事後也有一個特殊的一個檢查 |
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捷運山陰縣延伸至巴德為例,請問部長行政院何時可以核定?之前講核定之後是9年後可以完工,有沒有納入天氣的變因? |
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我們現在的公共工程基本上就是以強韌一定要比如說這個尤其地震這個部分一定要來進行那整個這個部分稍微補充一下就是有關臺灣特別是臺灣的這個氣候變遷的過去現在到未來這個部分氣象署跟這個國科會還有NCDR就是災害防疫科技中心其實有一個計畫在進行 |
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那要提供在臺灣的這個所有的這個從過去到未來相關的現象那因為臺灣地形非常複雜那沒關係我稍後再請教我稍後再請教署長那這邊部長先請部長回答就是我們這邊以捷運3銀線延伸至8的為例 |
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對,318的在那個交通部已經中國規劃審查通過然後目前這個新北市政府正在修正這個計畫我們目前就是121年完工了121年對,民國121年那後續當然就是新的部分我們都按照比如說防震的這個規定OK,用納入防震那極端氣候災對這些辛苦投入的勞工朋友們他們的職業安全之保障 |
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職業安全衛生的我們就按照這個相關的規定來辦理相關的規定來辦理OK好那那這邊要請教部長那極端氣候下對於公國道還有公路鐵路遇到強震剛才部長有提到強震還有颱風的安全情形那我想這邊請教部長應變的搶救作為因為我們這邊稍早提到預防那這邊我們如果遇到就是灘塌事故的搶救作為 |
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有什麼計畫嗎?這個我們有一個應變的計畫就是說如果發生比如說斷橋或是邊坡崩塌我們有我們相關的一個應變的計畫來執行包括就是說交通維持 |
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昨天的短暫的豪雨那如果接下來遇到超豪大雨那又會是什麼樣的情況? |
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的確因為兩個航廈真的都很久了但是這不是理由我是覺得他們現在3月25號已經動工就是一、二航廈的這個屋頂防水系這個建設已經開始動工了我是希望他這一次做一個更徹底的檢查就是說不要在某一些降雨的狀況就會發生落水的一個狀況 |
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我想這部分的確我們臺灣計產公司他現在已經有這個計畫我也要求他們一定要落實那有沒有要求驗收的單位確實做到就是在明年的話不會再發生同樣的情形董事長說是非常謝謝委員今年的這個工程是整個把過去的一行下二行下我們在過去的觀察到的這些漏水點的記錄全部都已經很清楚 |
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那這一次的處理是全面的把所有有可能有接縫點的這些填縫器要全部再做修補因為最主要的問題出現在填縫器另外就是航廈之間它有一些可能是在屋頂上的一些集水系統那個部分問題比較少那現在最不容易處理的是在強風豪雨的時候風速很大把這些水從填縫器的那些隙縫帶出來那這個部分是我們現在要改善的目標 |
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謝謝董事長 這邊要請觀光署長 周署長 |
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委員好 署長好 在3月6號交通部的業務報告中本席有問過署長部長說不管今年入客會不會來都希望可以達到1200萬人次這個是怎麼算出來的 因為本席有向觀光署就是提要求書面資料那3月14號書面回覆第一季預估是190萬人 那今天部長有提到這個數字是195萬人 |
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如果照這個預估的話今年可能連一千萬人次都沒有辦法達到那上週五周署長您也對媒體說談論下半年如果路克沒有開放的話那這個一千萬人次根本沒有辦法達到的那也有業者質疑說如果下修到一千萬人次 |
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這個數字也有美化的對於觀光實際上的成果幫助並不大那對於我國每年有500萬的轉機客那署長也有提到就是相關的措施那這邊要問今天是4月1號那掌握到的第一季出境旅客人數統計 |
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是 跟委員報告一下 其實我們都不應該有數字迷失 不過我們應該有目標管理那麼我們這個 如果含入客的話 我們現在恢復的疫情之前比較是7成那麼如果扣掉入客的話 是恢復到疫情前的9成 |
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那少了陸客為主的兩百萬人次那有沒有去了解就是在我們台灣一些地區還有景點受最嚴重的影響的地區是哪一些地方應該是分兩個層次啦那一個就是我們在歐美跟東南亞的部分其實都已經恢復了那麼只有歐洲的部分稍微差一點那麼還有就是日本的部分那原則上這些加起來大概 |
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目前如果以第一季來看我跟委員報告幾個數字 |
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1月的時候大概59萬來2月62萬3月已經到75萬了所以每個月事實上都有在增加所以前面你看看到如果200乘以4是800但是事實上它是一直在增加的所以我們是覺得第二季234是可以的 |
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那因為署長在前陣子有跟我做一個說明的確我當時在確定這個目標入客200到250萬也是在裡面有這個部分但是的確在到目前為止我是完全看不到中國大陸有任何要放自由行動團客來的這個跡象所以他們在跟我說明的時候我也同意說 |
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主席 |
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謝謝邱委員 邱委員發言完畢現在請何欣淳委員發言 何欣淳委員發言完畢之後休息10分鐘請部長 |
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部長好部長我今天要跟你討論的是我們的雙鐵跟台中機場的問題喔第一個我們請你連假要到了然後呢我們大家媽4月5號要去港所以說我們的預期啊中部會湧入很多很多的人潮啦所以我們的雙鐵準備好了嗎部長 |
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我們連續駕駛都是應該是要準備好應該是要準備好所以應該不會再發生上次臺中高鐵排隊的噩夢吧他們這個是讓高鐵公司有做一些研究那一次發生以後後面就沒有發生了後面就沒有發生後面的廉價就等著這一次廉價啊是不是我們現在擔心的是廉價的效應啊高鐵應該是準備好我請他們副總說明 |
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跟委員報告已經完全準備好了我們已經經歷過兩次之後的廉價那現在跟委員報告確定所以這一次的廉價絕對不會再發生問題我知道你們有增班那我們從台中站的發車的全車自由座有增加嗎有準備好嗎 |
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是,我們這次的疏運有增加199半然後在台中,就是台北跟台中我們特別在尖峰時段都有增開就是就是有八節自由坐八節自由坐的避期班式是,就是那個調度的一個彈性是SOP已經確立是的 |
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臺中站是臺北站以外人潮最多的我上次就有講過所以呢上一次是發生在臺中的排隊的噩夢那我們希望說連假這一次因為連假放四天再加上台伽罵4月5號要起假所以呢我相信這不管是要親民連假要返鄉掃墓的或者是要旅遊的或者是要來陪媽祖伯 |
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臺灣的臉一定要準備好啦不要排隊在排那個噩夢讓大家真的是覺得不知道該怎麼面對而且呢在那裡哭等 |
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這個我覺得這個噩夢不要再發生了那除了高鐵我覺得我再建議一下高鐵的運輸準備好的話周邊的交通疏導我現在不瞞部長你說你自己也可以去體驗一下禮拜五六日尤其禮拜五跟禮拜天那個高鐵台中站的周邊的交通光是從74號下閘道就塞車回堵回堵到74號線上來 |
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那這個部分我覺得應該應該要開始規劃疏導分流那這個部分我還要再提醒部長未來在高鐵的對面還有一個號稱全亞洲最大的投資案是一個商城跟飯店超過200億的一個投資那如果這個高鐵娛樂購物城開始了 |
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高鐵周邊的交通會更複雜車流會更多那未來我們如何因應部長這要提早規劃是我想現在臺中高鐵特定區後續有很多相關的建設那的確現在74這是一個重要的一個道路但是有很多是地方道路我想這部分 |
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所以你要找地方政府一起來談來協調因為他很多是地方篩篩到這個氣勢李七燒縣的高鐵閘道現在禮拜五的上下班時間那這個禮拜天幾乎都在那個高鐵的這個閘道口要進入高鐵之前就開始回堵篩得非常的嚴重所以呢我只是在提醒現在就這樣子的那未來那個高鐵與那個購物城 |
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投資完工開始啟用的時候人會更多車子會更多那我們相關的配套的這個交通該怎麼樣未雨綢繆那我們中央高鐵也應該主動跟我們地方政府開始來想辦法中央可以做的要做地方政府可以做的也要拜託地方政府做這樣子才能夠解決周邊的交通問題 |
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台七市以外地方道路到高鐵的部分要整理規劃目前我看到比較少其他的地方道路進去高鐵的使用率不高 |
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第一個是不是有分流的宣傳第二個分流的計畫那未來是不是應該再增加或者是開闢這個當然是我們中央會議籌謀要跟地方一起來談嘛是是是這部分那個我們來跟台中市政府談一下如果整體來看那個要怎麼來處理當然裡面另外一個就是他們綠線 |
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這個綠線的使用率要再提高綠線目前的使用率不高因為公共運輸還是一個場站聯外重要的部分所以即使這個高鐵跟台鐵跟捷運在這個烏日站是共購 |
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但是目前看起來綠線的使用率還不夠高那這個部分也許我們中央有很好的經驗可以協助地方政府這第一個那第二個我現在要想高鐵準備好了那台鐵呢我們廉價台鐵的狀況呢 |
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是我們也準備好了跟委員報告包括先前那個白沙的馬祖還有這一次其實白沙屯的馬祖應該是使用我們鐵路台鐵應該是更多對不對還有大甲馬那這個我們其實輸贏都4月5號我們都準備好了 |
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我是建議台鐵應該要趕快再繼續持續的宣導希望台鐵跟高鐵能夠發揮加成的效果能夠讓我們中部這一次廉價的運量、運流、分流都能夠展現它最佳最佳的成績不要讓國人有噩夢產生 |
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分散了以後呢我現在就再講我們中部除了有高鐵台鐵再來我還是要跟部長講我們的航空航空站的問題剩下是一分多鐘我們知道淘機今天大家都在講淘機發生問題淘機發生問題是有一個是因為第一個他的第一第二航廈已經非常的飽和 |
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第三航廈也還在正在興建當中所以我們以逃機的入境人數已經創下今年新高因為連假聽說昨天運量人數很多對不對讓大家都嚇到那我就在想我們台中機場也許可以擔任一個衛星機場的一個角色你覺得如何部長 |
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現在信義航空他已經把他當作他的一個這個hub是啊那我就覺得蠻好的就是說他以他也知道台灣機場的用事所以小K那邊他有這樣一個想法我覺得蠻好的我覺得蠻好的所以我們交通部會不會大力支持我會支持因為就是說包括台中跟高雄兩個像這一次有這個高雄聽說小港機場的運量也幾乎都飽和了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
臺中青泉崗機場要國際 |
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升格為國際機場那我們有一個到2040的一個計畫啦喔那我是希望交通部可以大力的支持讓我們的清泉崗的國際機場的這個計畫不要等到2040啦我們要等大人可以提早就盡量提早啦尤其我們中部的這一個 |
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出國或者是這個整個的這個運量是可以值得期待是有潛力的而且我們也希望更多的國際觀光客可以藉由這樣子的國際航線的增加航班的增加可以進來台中 |
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我們2040叫做目標年不是到2040才做每個機場的主計劃都會這樣然後每一年就按照2040的目標逐漸來做我現在意思是說那個2040的目標可不可以再往前比如變成2035然後再如果再更有效率的話可以再2030 |
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7844.482 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
7845.302 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
何委員發言完畢休息10分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
議員議員 |
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| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
委員會主席 |
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7971.453 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
加了加了加了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
主席 |
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| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
7998.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].text |
主席 |
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8009.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
8036.223 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
今天早上跟完整講今天早上我感覺得我上個禮拜是能把每一個改過頭改的給他們的那他們在禮拜四、五、六沒有改 |
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| transcript.whisperx[277].text |
主席 |
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8067.53 |
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8067.831 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
主席 |
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8078.197 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].end |
8087.479 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
本集完結了。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[280].text |
響鐘 |
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響鐘響鐘 |
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委員會主席 |
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委員會委員會委員會 |
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委員會主席響鐘 |
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響鐘 |
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響鐘響鐘 |
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響鐘 |
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響鐘 |
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委員會委員會委員會 |
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主席 |
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委員會主席 |
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響鐘 |
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8629.386 |
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好,現在繼續開會現在請陳素月委員發言謝謝主席,請主席邀請王部長請王部長 |
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村委長部長早安我們知道現在這個極端氣候的異常所以常常飛颱風期間也會有這個強降雨那這個強降雨帶來這個暴雨對於這個交通運輸也會造成很大的一個衝擊所以對於整個就是在極端氣候下對於這個交通運輸的相關的一個災防預警也相對的非常的重要所以今天這個 |
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專題報告 |
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好雨淹沒的這種意外發生所以在針對這樣的一個狀況我們當然不希望發生台灣不希望發生這樣的狀況可是我們還是要有就是先期的一個預防跟做一個就是準備那在這個部分我們交通部有什麼樣的一個應變措施或規劃是不是可以做一下說明好 |
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8716.169 |
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那個鐵公路的車站的基礎設施第一個當然是防淹水這是我們最重要的部分那他們過去是對於這些如果真的有那種狀況他們有SOP比如說要怎麼樣把這個車輛還有包括這些公車要怎麼樣在在整個行駛的這個範圍做一些調整甚至說有一些是 |
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8743.387 |
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台鐵局董事長 |
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8784.468 |
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社區委員報告我們在各戰場的防淹水的措施都有持續在做這是基本的至於發生的這種淹水或者是其他這種有防災情形的話我們現在都有進行各項的演練這個我們在年度計畫或者是在我們的體驗演習裡面都有 |
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8785.248 |
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8805.06 |
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那至於這個我們其他相關的硬體設施像英哥桃園軌道我舉這個例子這個在去年那鐵道局已經協助我們把原來的單一的水路給它改成兩個兩邊的水路那像這種我們持續台鐵這邊都有在進行 |
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8827.574 |
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是我想這個應變就是要有一定的SOP這個很重要嘛那還有平常的一個演練也很重要那我是不是想說針對這方面我們有固定的一個演練嗎有演習有有我們有年度的然後也有特殊這個針對特殊情形的有特別加強的演練 |
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8829.019 |
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我想這個超前部署做這個災防的演練跟應變是非常的一個重要那再來就是說我想在整個交通運輸方面就是有關於這個邊坡的一個災害的一個預防也是非常的一個重要因為在過去我們也看到很多這個不管是鐵路也曾經發生過這個邊坡滑落的一個事故 |
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8855.191 |
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8878.648 |
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或者是公路這個國道也曾經發生這個攤房的這樣子的一個事故所以對於整個邊坡的維護與管理是非常的一個重要這個影響到整個行進當中的那個車輛跟人員的一個安全的一個問題那我們看到就是針對鐵路的部分我們鐵道局在今年有送出了這個鐵路邊坡維護與管理規範草案是不是 |
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8882.05 |
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這個部分的進度大概如何?是不是可以簡單說明一下?報告委員,現在這個草案現在在審查當中。在審查當中。那我請教一下部長,就是說,鐵路有提出這樣子的一個規範草案,那我們公路國道的部分,是不是也有相關的一個規範?應該有吧?本來就有,這個。本來就有啦?是。 |
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8906.582 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
整個彰化縣的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].start |
8931.658 |
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8931.858 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
委員報告 |
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8969.119 |
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跟回報那個就是說隧道有隧道的監測的機制那因為我們邊坡的話基本上就是說公路的邊坡的話我們都有做相關的這一些定性定量的分析而且依照他們的歷史的一些記錄分為這個ABCD |
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8970.64 |
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8974.004 |
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總共省道公路列管1700處全國現在優先關注的是46處每一個公路段在轄區內對於列管1700處每週都會做經常性的巡查 |
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8988.399 |
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報告委員 基本上無人機 |
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9020.723 |
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在鐵路流行運用無人機也是可行也是可以的 |
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9021.85 |
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目前還沒有嗎目前是有些特殊的比如說要去看那個鐵路橋樑他們可以用無人機到那個就近去看比較細的部分就橋樑的部分橋樑的部分還是需要我們也希望就是說在整個監測的部分我們能夠就是透過科技的一個運用能夠更精細然後更能夠掌握這個狀況然後確保這整個行車的一個安全 |
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9049.71 |
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9050.11 |
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國防部長王國材 |
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9072.021 |
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9078.086 |
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對整個橋樑的一個監測跟安全的一個維護也非常的重要所以就這個部分我們目前就是交通部在橋樑的安全的檢測的這個列管或者是說在維護的狀況目前的辦理情形是如何 |
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9100.402 |
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各位報告現在全國的這一個各類的橋樑第一個部分的話就要求一定要做年度的檢測那年度檢測現在幾乎各縣市政府已經都接近百分之百做完檢測那現在確實就是說像我們年度在做 |
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9119.3 |
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這個截止時間內就是70%幾的這個檢測完以後有做維護那其他的部分就是說還沒完成的因為有一些的這個維護的工作他要做比較久所以他的時間就是說在我們截止時間他還沒完成所以我們還沒給他就是說這個截列不過就是說還沒有做完的部分的話其實我們都有要求就是說各縣市政府其實就是說要這個我們做列管然後另外其實 |
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發文到縣市政府的時候還複資給他們的那個縣市首長請他們也要督促我想這個橋樑結構的安全當然就是他的先決條件可能就是當初在新造新建的時候的這個施工品質或者是之後的維護的狀況那當然還有一個外部的因素可能就是涉及到整個河川的治理是不是有稻採砂石或者是說 |
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9171.424 |
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9171.444 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
．綜合 |
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9216.737 |
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我目前第一個就是我們自己的橋樑是鐵工屋這個是都他們的SOP都很完整那過去就是縣市政務的這個橋樑部分那我們現在透過開始做這個橋樑的評鑑剛才談到的就是第一個是這個檢測率他有沒有幾乎已經快百分之一百每年都會檢測了第二個就是剛才談到維修率還差23%主要有的是經費問題 |
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9218.197 |
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9244.335 |
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所以我們也鼓勵他比如說申請生活圈的計畫趕快來做一些這個維修等等的那現在整個我們現在是公路橋、鐵路橋還把人形的都放進來所以全國就是剛剛委員所看到的這個系統裡面都可以已經可以搜尋也就是說他的資訊都公開的也大概知道各個縣市的這個比如說他們維修率、檢測率是多少都知道 |
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9244.875 |
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9265.732 |
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那我想這樣也是一個公開的程序讓很多人了解各縣市政府有沒有一個積極的作為那剛剛由部長的回答裡面當然我們也有聽出一個重點就是說這個橋樑有不同的管理單位有縣市政府也有我們交通部可能就是高工局或者是鐵路局的鐵路橋樑那我剛剛有提到的這個蘇澳大橋那個又屬於港務局 |
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9269.655 |
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9290.545 |
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所以對於這不同的單位的一個管理的橋樑那我們這個交通部應該是最高的一個管理機關所以我們是不是也應該要就是負起統籌監督的一個責任要做整體的一個督促跟督導那我們的這個橋樑安全能夠更安全 |
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9290.905 |
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9312.407 |
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目前就是全國都納管了包括地方政委納管全部都 全部都有納管是 那剛剛我有提到就是說那個有關就是河川的部分其實這部分我為什麼會提到這個是因為我們有鄉親反映我們地方相關的大橋就是有疑似就是上下游的這個沙石的這個部分 |
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9313.087 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].text |
主席 |
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9339.953 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
9354.484 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
陳書悅委員發言完畢．先要請許智傑委員發言主席大家我們先請七項署請陳署長七項署陳署長部長部長在坐在那聽就好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].start |
9370.187 |
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9380.22 |
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蘇長謝謝 上一次我有要求科工館要加強氣象的科普教育聽說有進度的是不是可以簡單跟大家說明一下 |
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9381.469 |
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9408.667 |
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在科工館這邊因為他有很好的展覽場所所以我們也跟他聯絡我們會會再有更多的相關的氣象儀器進去那也會採取一些連展的這個方式跟我們的高雄氣象站的部分也會去增加一些相關展覽的測試還有因為高雄氣象站在都會公園這邊所以所以如果有特別是在星象的部分因為那比較簡單一點所以會做一些連展的部分 |
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9412.549 |
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9415.132 |
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有一個樂活氣象的APP,您知道嗎?是,知道什麼時候開始啟用? |
| transcript.whisperx[328].start |
9439.693 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].end |
9462.891 |
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樂活氣象APP其實應該已經有5年了只是因為我們陸續一直在增加東西對因為它的主要的目標是對於特定的這個應用型的譬如說它的這個生活的應用健康的應用那相關農業應用還有學校校園跟學校的這個校園氣象網也有結合在一起做一些相關宣導的部分 |
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9463.615 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].end |
9484.564 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].text |
那你們現在不是有沿海近海預報從3天延長到5天是這個從今天開始對從今天開始發布對我要問的是這個啦是就是說你們已經有加強這個熱國氣象的APP其實這個可能在宣導上應該要多加強是因為現在其實很多人就是出去玩嘛 |
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9511.436 |
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不管是遠洋包括漁船那包括休憩那就是在遠海近海甚至在沿海那這些氣象我覺得我們其實提供我們更多的人這個正確的資訊所有的人要規劃旅遊行程他就會更好掌握所以這個APP我是覺得相當好但是我是覺得宣傳的還不夠 |
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9513.254 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].end |
9533.339 |
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好 我們再來加強那其實不只樂活氣象APP在我們的官網還有我們一個生活氣象APP也都會同步來做那相關訊息的發布也會在我們的這個粉絲團就是爆天氣這些粉絲團上面來做我想氣象署應該我一直提過我們觀光局也變觀光署嘛 |
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9533.979 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].end |
9551.171 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].text |
我們希望那個部部都是公共部,處處都是打卡點那我希望說那個所有的休憩旅遊那氣象署也應該加入公共署的這個概念然後大概所有的那個休憩的點,氣象的預告我是覺得還不夠 |
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9576.199 |
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因為我去查有些點查得到有些點查不到那是不是這個部分可以再加強好我們來加強其實我們跟觀光署已經有簽了一個合作協議那最近在特別在西拉雅風雨區的那個氣球節的部分我們也有進駐來跟觀光署一起合作所以是不是觀光署可以提供更多的點各種各式的休憩旅遊其實很多樣化 |
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9577.259 |
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9598.88 |
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那是不是把觀光署有休憩旅遊的可能的點能夠跟氣象署做結合這樣子那國人要去規劃旅遊才會好規劃是觀光署有13個風景區管理處我們跟13個風景處管理處在每一個管理處他都有一些特定的這些呃旅遊的型態那這個部分如果有需要氣象資料我們都會提供 |
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| transcript.whisperx[335].end |
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也跟委員報告因為旅行中的話為氣象的這個即時的掌握也蠻重要的所以我們這個部分也很謝謝氣象組的協助另外剛剛委員關心科工館所以我們也把科工館再加強一些科普教育我們這次也列為我們暑假的重點活動之一OK我是想說那觀光署可以再提供更多的點也就是說因為國人的旅遊不見得是大的風景區嘛那有很多大大小小的 |
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點事實上如果有氣象跟觀光能夠結合在一起那能夠提供國人更精確的資訊我想這個規劃應該對台灣的觀光旅遊會有很大的幫助我們也把比如說嘉義的太陽館這個部分的科普也把他納進來OK好那這部分希望說我們現在是要查這個熱火氣象APP可以有更充分的資料那也就是氣象署跟觀光署可以做更緊密的連接好不好好我們來努力好謝謝好我們現在請民航局 |
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那個新加坡章魚機場花園瀑布蝴蝶看起來蠻迷人的對不對還有寶可夢然後呢日本雜訪新千歲有哆啦A夢的樂園那美國有餃子機荷蘭有國家博物館分館仁川有溜冰場電影院那高雄機場有什麼 |
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我想委員剛剛所詢的這一些機場的特色我想未來我們高雄國際機場的新航廈的一個整建的工程改建的工程其實我們也會把在地的一些特色元素納進來那裡面講的一些譬如說比較植栽的部分在整個現在的目前的一個基本的設計裡面大概有考慮到我們當地的原生種等等植物那至於一些商業設施等等我們後續也會再來 |
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考量整個地區的特性來放進來時間有點不夠所以這個桃園你可以看米其林、必比登這個夜市小吃這個滷肉飯然後呢臺北美食砂鍋魚頭 |
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然後還有牛肉麵、辛婆咖啡等等其實這個都蠻迷人的我當時也請觀光局的時候有推動米其林到南部現在台南跟高雄也推動米其林那現在桃園機場也有米其林那高雄機場有沒有規劃有沒有可能規劃就是實住方面的加強 |
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委員這部分有關這個米其林進駐的部分這個部分我們來努力看看跟這個廠商部分看來看怎樣來做然後你再看一下雨田機場雨田機場機場應該有看過它的設施吧有你看喔在那邊泡溫泉看富士山在機場裡面泡溫泉看富士山那個真是蠻爽快的 |
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所以我要舉這個例子就是有很多很多的例子那需要那個局長在高雄的現在在行下在改建如果不趕快加入一些因素不趕快聲音設想你到時候蓋好就來不及了那另外呢其實我再提供一個這個可能有點難度但是可以思考就是我們高雄現在有一個SKM Park它是Outlet就是星光標去嘛 |
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那如果有沒有機會類似地下街這樣子串聯共同開發因為你全部要靠一個高雄機場去設想把這麼多的特色通通弄進來其實也不是那麼容易那這個部分其實是一個比較嶄新的想法啦就像那個東區星光商業他很多做那個天橋有沒有 |
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天橋他們是自己做的那有一些是兩邊的店家不一樣各負擔一半那類似這樣子的概念如果有機會銜接的話如果他們願意出錢是最好啦如果他們不願意出錢有沒有什麼共同該開發的機會那也就是我高雄機場 |
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將來其實就是說除了我本身要去製造我的特色之外那我連接附近可以讓居民有更多的就是來回包括旅客包括居民其實都有很多的可以互相可以支援的空間那我機場創造我的更多的特色那如果有機會再連接這個附近的店家那邊陲地帶最近差不多兩三百公尺 |
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這個是不是請民航局也列入思考好那個委員剛剛講的確實我們現在在做的航廈其實是本體航廈的改建那跟周邊的一些的聯通的共同的一些相關合作或者是聯通的這個部分我們再帶回去研究一下對我希望說這個可以整體思考因為我的機場不只是機場我的機場就是還是一個觀光客跟我在地很多人都喜歡去的地方 |
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許委員發言完畢,現在處理臨時提案本日既有一案,請議事人員宣讀 |
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臨時提案一要求交通部應至114年起擴大公路公共運輸服務升級計畫之補助項目與預算規劃增加對公共運具尚不發達之縣市如臺南市公路市區電動公車及輕軌捷運台鐵高鐵轉乘接駁路線之營運補助並提升該計畫之預算執行率達95%針對前述之要求請交通部與 |
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兩週內向交通委員會提出本案通盤檢討之書面報告已立後續預算執行提案人委員林俊憲等宣布完畢好我們現在處理臨時提案請問交通部交通部有沒有意見 |
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修正通過 |
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現在臨時提案處理完畢如果有委員對上述提案補簽列入記錄並刊登公報現在請陳雪生召委發言好 謝謝召委順便請部長請部長還有公安署署長請周署長韓港局 公路總局業局長還有陳文睿局長部長各位首長待會發言 |
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極端氣候馬祖像東穎跟菊光常常碰到濃霧這兩個地方是沒有機場到時候要救援的時候還不只航港局可能直升機什麼的 |
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這個可能都要配合,部長可以嗎?機場是不是民航局?民航局還是港口?民航局還有港口都要啊所以你意思是說東營跟舉光要有小機場?問題是你怎麼救援?有時候浪大 |
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東引現在有直升機飛行場,目前有直升機在運作如果極端氣候的話,那個錢你們也要配合一點有關機場設施的部分設施沒有問題,我是說極端氣候的時候 |
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那是救援直升機耶,我們跑一趟,現在我要負擔一趟的錢,那麼在局長的部分請你考慮一下好不好?這部分我們回去研究一下好了,因為直升機是那個…好,那航港局的部分就是你們看看那裡的船調度啊什麼的,怎麼來怎麼去嘛好不好?你們注意一下好不好?好,兩位局長請回,謝謝那觀光署的部分,部長 |
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我最近可能會去一趟大陸,我還是拜託他們金馬小三通先放啦我聽說馬前總統去北京啊,有可能520以前,如果大陸同胞能夠放過來啊我們先釋出善意表示歡迎嘛,我知道你的委屈啦你說團放,放的話當然你要冒很大的風險我知道啦 |
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但是現在大陸團又不來,我們大家共同努力嘛所以馬前總統去啊,我希望執政黨不要一直去攻擊他罵他你總要跟大陸要談事情嘛那你在一個中國的原則之下沒辦法談問題你繞個圈轉個彎嘛,用中華也可以啊對不對,我們都是中華元皇子孫嘛 |
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新加坡也是中華民族的啊,所以用繞一個圈去講話可能會好一點有機會到國安會幫我意見表達好不好好,那署長謝謝您,您注意一下金門跟馬祖的狀況好不好?謝謝,謝謝委員好,謝謝署長請回好,最近馬祖農務,我們急需什麼?反光標誌 |
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反光一些標誌,上次我去苗栗看了以後,霧非常大,你那個反光那個板根本都看不清楚,在我們馬祖到雲台山的路段,還有北竿有一些小路段,那個路段可能用太陽能的局長可不可以? |
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你請連江縣政府那邊弄規劃案過來嘛是是是這這個部分就是說我們有瞭解就是說這個連江縣政府今年有提案齁那提出就是說要偵測這種太陽能的這種導光導標對好不好那呃提報到部裡面來那這個大概會用道安經費來協助那希望局長你也辦理情形跟我回報一下好不好好好不要每一次問完就算了問完就算了 |
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你們頭腦很好,我頭腦沒有你們頭腦好好不好?這個我來追蹤一下好,局長請回另外就是機場改建已經送到國發會送到行政院去請部長這邊還有局長何局長謝謝何局長拜託你再盯到好不好行政院秘書處 |
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院長那邊合併的狀況怎麼樣?因為我在總諮詢要求兩個禮拜之內,那院長要說一個月,一個月時間快到了。國安會已經送到院,應該會尋秘書長、副院長、院長的行程。我是覺得國安會已經也都同意,所以我覺得北竿機場這個應該很快會合併。好,那最近這個 |
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花東的條例你看菲菲妍妍、立法院你看我們兩黨都在那邊對視我們的馬祖大橋可行性評估也做了綜合規劃也做了快完成了綜合規劃一直在那邊打轉一直在打轉交通部你們有沒有問過有沒有行文給世襲問到底預算要多少錢你們問一下嘛 |
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起碼去個文,我都沒看到文,你副本給我好不好?你委託他們嘛,不是公路總局委託世襲嗎?你去個行給他們,你這工程技術你們能不能做?你不要老是我去尋家去問金門哪一家飆的那個至少國內有一家有這個意願嘛,對不對?我們到時候開飆才有人來你一家都沒有的話,那你叫我們怎麼開飆啊?是不是? |
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我去問了老半天他說300億還是講300億啊那頂多我們估算寬列350億好了嘛請世襲趕快去弄一下好不好因為520以後我要攻這個馬祖大橋因為馬祖大橋你要做嘛你不做的話你到那個機場怎麼弄啊 |
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我們規劃的部分齁因為呃程序面的部分因為行政院大概還有一些指示啦所以我想我們會持續還有很多啦我還會持續再提問題你把世襲跟那個技術的問題預算的問題你把它弄出來給行政院看嘛好他連問都沒問連看都不看擺在那裡幹什麼一直在那邊打那個太極拳你會不會打 |
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高雄馬祖的航線 |
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我請問部長還有請問局長,杭政司有沒有來?我們立法院有沒有哪一位委員,還有其他委員關心?如果有的話我都非常感謝他們喔,是不是?林俊憲委員有關心喔?謝謝。我回頭給你磕頭好不好?高雄飛馬組的航線 |
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這很重要,對啦,軍縣委員要選市長這樣軍縣委員你幫我這個弄好,我就幫你拉票好不好我連黨的立場我都不管,我幫你拉票好不好這裡有麥克風嗎?那個高雄飛馬組航線,拜託一下民航局啊你在最近的時間利隆航空、華信航空、臨江縣政府、馬組防衛部、陸軍總部還有中郵 |
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因為如果他不滿載的話,那個票價是很高昂的,可能一張票要三千多塊到四千塊因為他要減重飛行嘛,72人的一個飛機可能只能載五十個,怕油料不夠但是中油在我們那邊,我們那個廠方都出來來講了嘛,馬上會把它弄好弄好以後呢,在我們地面可以加到油的話,那就72人啊 |
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既然票價只要2000多一點這樣就有了這第一件第二件我拜託找這兩家海運公司來談先用包機的方式我們現在我都敢負責了好不好 |
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這個部分我們會再來開會,會邀業者再來討論一下整個運能的情形跟後續怎麼來處理我們王中平縣長是一個非常負責進職的一個縣長我當縣長他是我的秘書長,我非常清楚所以有一些人假借其他理由什麼要罷免他的人,我聽不下去啦是不是在罷免什麼東西?你看到人家縣市在罷免,我們也在玩罷免的遊戲 |
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那麼忠誠那麼負責的一個縣長五星級的縣長我聽了我都氣死了你知道嗎現在不管如何他的案子連江縣政府高雄到馬祖航街的案子是不是送到民航局了?送來沒有? |
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沒有,我們這邊是之前委員有在提起,所以我們這邊會來他有公文送到你這邊來,我有收到正本我們是委員質詢,所以我們來開會那縣府的文我們是沒有拜託我改天再召集一個會議好不好?隨些相關的單位一起到我這邊,到立法院來再開一次會我希望這個包機先試飛個幾趟好不好,讓他完成 |
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因為那邊阿兵哥有一半是住在中部以南他們回家的路很遠還有觀光客很多南部的觀光客有的跑到從小山東那邊繞一圈回來也有的要到台北來過夜才能夠到馬祖來觀光旅遊我想據縣委員你應該也了解你也幫我們拉客好不好那其邁市長那邊我也拜託他有拜託 |
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最主要還是航空公司航空公司要民航區啊主要就是他ATR的運能現在真的是很有限不過這部分我們再來開會啦抽一兩架出來包機嘛試試看嘛我們先不去講運能啦你不要拿運能來擋我你拿運能來擋我的話那一次都廢不了委員這部分我們再來協調因為你前面跟我講包機 |
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現在包機快OK了,你又講運能運能也沒問題,你又扯一個其他出來包機還是要運能,我們這個部分來協調我想以我們何局長這麼聰明非常有智慧的局長你看王部長都提拔你當民航局局長,一定有原因的你當副局長任內,對你就評價很高拜託你幫我完成這個任務好不好 |
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我們盡量來努力部長,局長要幫我做,你不能反對吧?就是現在先,第一個馬祖那邊的加油的部分先處理,那包機我們來促成我第一件事情拜託你520以前把這個事情完成第二件事情520以後還是你繼續留任,我只有兩個心願好不好?謝謝 |
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陳文昭委員發言完畢．現在請林靜憲委員發言謝謝主席本席邀請我們交通部王國材請王部長高鐵有在嗎 |
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高鐵 盧浩東 盧武總好 謝謝部長部長有一件事情北極在這裡要肯定那也請托希望高鐵因為高鐵在台南那個旅客數我們台南最近非常熱門 |
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李克的運量增加非常快速去年前年2022年366萬人次去年就477萬增加30%那其中一個很重要的就是高鐵的快捷快捷公車那時候高鐵有補助你看使用高鐵快捷公車的乘客數也增加非常多我們去年前年42萬去年就到快60萬增加了40% |
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部長你知道嗎?我們以高鐵到台南市中心就以台南市政府為例你知道要多久嗎?大概平常要30分鐘你如果交通尖峰時期,台南市政府坐到高鐵大概要40分鐘像我就住在台南市政府附近我要來立法院開會,我每天要5點起床6點出門,做6點38分我生活作息比當兵還要正常 |
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所以你這個高鐵這個快捷工作非常重要我們希望高鐵能夠持續給我們支持好不好好不好好謝謝另外喔本期剛剛臨時提案是這樣我們交通部有一條啊兩百兩百四十五億的所謂公共運輸服務升級計畫四年期的計畫到今年啦要截止了啦 |
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這245億目前只執行160億執行率只有65%還有85億給你錢你也不會花還有85億所以本期才提案你對於一些公共運輸不方便的地方像台南市 |
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臺南市也沒有捷運我們雖然是直轄市不上捷運工作體系還在起步階段其實因為它剛升格沒有多久我們確實需要很多公共運輸的支持如果以這個目前為止已經花掉了這160億像臺中就拿了73億高雄市72億臺南幾乎只有他們一半40億所以我才會提案要求交通部你要盡速把這個補助執行下去 |
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你來要預算的時候委員會支持你給你245億你說4年你要執行完到現在只有65%所以我希望你應該補助一些像臺南市啦一些或者一些公共運輸比較不方便的地方包括他的市區公車啦國道客運啦甚至軌道運輸啦或者像等等這些 |
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不同運具間的不同運具之間的轉層接駁的服務部長你有看法嗎你知道這個事情我了解因為他們因為1.13開始有那個電動公車另外一個計劃所以可能在他們編預算的時候有一些沒有編但是對於台南的公共運輸你編給我們這個亂編的 |
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國際機場的無人機防制計畫請問屬不屬於國安業務的範圍 |
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應該非常重要,我就覺得算不算啊?算喔?好 |
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所以是我們台灣最重要的兩個國際機場一個叫台北國際機場就是松山松山機場一個是桃園國門桃園國際機場現在他們的無人機防制增防系統操作在松山機場他把它界定為這項採購確實是涉及國家安全部長你說的那桃機說 |
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這個不是國家安全的採購我請問誰才對部長無人機的防制陶基說不是國家安全的採購但是我之前也曾經新聞給陶基給美郎局因為行政院對無人機的防制大家知道吧現在俄羅戰爭以來大家看到都知道無人機的重要性 |
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那個時候行政院早就通過這個無人機的防制還有防禦是國家安全的重要計畫但是像桃機這麼重要的國門45年來幾乎沒有進度你知不知道我把那個時程表給部長看一下2019年行政院就核定了各機場你要有自己的無人機防禦計畫 |
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到2023年到去年你預算也沒有執行也沒有什麼進度說要跟中科院合作中科院說他不執行這個計畫你到底沒辦法來部長你看一下當時來交通委員會要了2億2022年的執行金額02023年8400萬執行率43%那今年我們要執行狀況如何 |
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然後,你的機場,你們管的國際機場,松山機場說這個是屬於國安的採購,淘機說不是。阿現在到底是什麼?好,結果淘機跟松機都把這項業務,無人機的房子都轉包給民間的保全公司,部長你知道吧? |
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我不知道民間的保全公司 松山機場說這是國安業務他不是松山機場也不是航警局在做也不是相關國安單位在做是他民間的保全公司在做淘機未來也是啦他都把業務給民間的保全公司啦我不知道民間的保全公司有沒有能力啦或者是他負責操作的人員有沒有證照啦有沒有審查有沒有如何考評啦 |
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那這兩個機場的保全公司做得好不好?這兩家保全公司過去多次都違反勞動,因為勞動部有規定為什麼?他們很多都外包啦,不然怎麼能做外包的啦松山機場60間,淘機違規26件 |
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因為淘氣更離譜啦淘氣現在這間保全公司啦我們一年給他2億8千萬啦他顧到電腦廠去用淘券的你知道嗎你知道嗎辛苦鬧很大耶然後給他2億8千萬他的保全業務做到電腦先被偷減那淘氣怎麼處理不是處罰這一家保全耶就另外編了6千多給他6千萬讓他去聘請更多保全人員就炒到他又電腦而已 |
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我請陶俊先說明一下這件事 |
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我想跟委員報告有關無人機防制的部分我們大概有兩部分的工作第一個部分是跟中科院來委辦給他建制這個系統我們去年已經有達成共識所以剛剛委員所提到去年的八千四百萬就是中科院的這個系統已經開始在建制今年還會持續分期來建制 |
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那另外就是我們在操作檢視監看螢幕的部分是的確我們是委外請保全來辦理那這個部分的話也跟我們行務單位是在我們行務單位的監管之下如果有系統裡面偵測到無人機尤其我們會確認他是那你怎麼知道那你怎麼知道那些操作人員有合乎資格專業 |
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你有認證嗎?你有執照嗎?因為我時間到了啦部長還有我們陶基的相關主管董事長重慶這個問題你們要搞清楚啦你交給民間保全做可以嗎?把他納回你們保全公司的那個業務範圍裡面這樣對嗎?你不是每次跟你要相關的公務你都說國家安全他拒絕給我勒 |
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林委員發言完畢 現在請游浩委員發言 |
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有請部長 |
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那謝謝部長那我想說今天針對大家關心的議題也是包括我們是否是屬於一個開放的態度來面對許多的重大政策那我想先就教你說目前美規的Toyota的實驗卡在新車台灣買不買得到那當然我可以直接跟你講說這買不到因為2020年11月26號 |
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車輛安全中心VSCC發文給中華民國車輛進口商協會就是不得已少量車輛還來進行導入那當然說這是中華民國的相關法規那在美國貿易代表戴琦在3月29號也公布了2024各國貿易障礙報告NTE他也點名了台灣對美規車型的一個技術障礙限制美國車進入台灣市場還我想就叫進行總量管制 |
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那我想這個因為跟萊豬的狀況是類似的請問一下部長交通部對此會做退讓嗎我先請市長先回答一下 |
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這個部分跟委員報告一下這個最主要如果說要談源頭的話最主要是那個車輛安全法規的調和啦那這個目前就是說國際車輛安全法規的調和在APEC會議裡面大家有共識這是調和聯合國UAEC的這個法規那因為美國的聯邦法規是另外它有一個這個系統所以這個目前這個相關這個符合美國聯邦法規但是不符合這個聯合國法規的 |
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所以說我們主營是因為我們是NU ECE的法規檢測所以台灣採取的部分所以未來會頂得住壓力嗎? |
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跟這個委員報告一下這個從這個就是95年實施這個條和聯合國法規一直到現在都是這樣子的一個這個所以說是還沒有答案但是我在想不管是OPEN還是COURSE的部分都要跟全國民眾做報告因為我們還是必須要以民為先那不能大家所關心的事情拖到旁邊 |
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那同樣的那接著再就交到部長我們剛才講到美國那再來講中國大陸那目前今天大家的質詢熱點是在於觀光的部分那在下修這個1200萬人到1000萬人其實 |
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這個事情我相信各個委員辦公室都接到了許多包括旅遊業者、飯店業者、民宿業者各式各樣的一個陳情包括住宿業者就連今天下午本席的辦公室也會有各地的一個相關同業工會也會來陳情這個部分 |
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以目前來講我想先請教一下部長您記得在賴清德就是準總統那時候在提說觀光產業是無煙囪的工業可以創造許多的就業機會那時候喊出了1200萬人能夠來台灣希望能夠走進世界讓世界擁抱台灣可是回頭來講 |
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那在去年喊600萬可是到今年原本喊的1200萬在選舉前喊一喊結果現在還下修那我想要就教一下部長那在今年的話真的能夠達到1000萬嗎? |
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現在第一季大概快兩百萬但是它的這個整個一頁開始到上頁就逐頁增加所以我們是看好就是說慢慢隨著包括航線包括全世界公安的復甦會越來越增加那的確在這個公安署署長這邊有跟我說明過他們同仁整體的考量在國內 |
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| transcript.whisperx[415].text |
李卓人議員 |
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大陸那邊會把自由行候團客放進來的跡象所以我們現在初步大概我有同意他們這樣的一個下修在6月1號啊那入團團客已經不能再去大陸那現在兩岸的關係其實看起來是明顯就是冰凍起來那這樣子如何能夠有觀光客那我是想要就教一下部長像目前來講 |
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入客來台的這個部分那等於是冰凍起來的這個決定啊是您的決定還是陸委會的決定現在兩岸當然就是說都是跨部會討論的結果真的不是交通部一個部會但是我們的確在討論過程中是兩岸平等互惠的這個往來是重要 |
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所以我們一直也期待事實上我們門也開著說如果他願意比如說開放的話我們也會開放目前也是這樣所以我想說剛剛所談到的雖然我們現在下收一千萬但是不代表我們就是努力就是會限制在一千萬我們會繼續來努力來進行 |
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其實兩岸已經是平等互惠了所以說我坦白講陸委會的這個責任必須要由交通部來背以及包括觀光署以及全國的觀光產業來受到這個觀光的衝擊 |
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所以我的建議還是認為說其實目前今年度的話其實去年是六百萬當然我們講說景氣復甦但是其實目前各國的景氣那也都是還是目前沒有那麼好的一個狀況所以本期還是建議在達不到一千萬的這個水準跟那個目標的時候我覺得還是要務實來看待那想請問一下部長目前對於這樣子下修的時候在相關的旅遊業民宿業有沒有任何的一個協助的輔導方案 |
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這個本來就是一個很務實的一個檢討那麼主要是路客不來就是中國那邊不四處善意的話所以我們這個部分是以來台來算的我就想這種就是互相的啦 |
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因為說我們這邊不要過去那再說他們不來其實這種都互相我相信現在的兩岸關係在馬英九執政時期來講現在其實都是越是推向兵兇戰危啦所以說我還是會建議說我們務實看待以目前遭受到的衝擊的時候那如何來去對於相關國內的業者做補貼事實上我剛剛原來報告齁 |
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就是說我們希望平等互惠也是一個原因就是說如果我們單向比如說把團客送到大陸去他沒有來那這樣是影響我們國內的比如說南投的理數業旅館業所以平等互惠它事實上的一個精神是照顧國內的相關的理數跟餐飲所以我想說這部分也是我們為什麼 |
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在今年初會有這樣一個決定的原因是好沒關係這個狀況大家都知道那我直接接著就叫今天的包括極端氣候災防預警的議題那我想請教一下那今天那個環境部還有氣候署他們有排員過來嗎 |
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那所以嘛 上次所提到的 不是氣象署喔是 署長 那個 沒事 那個環境部氣候署 那我就直接就交給一下部長在這個極端氣候災防預警的這個議題上面那在環境部氣候變遷署 他們跟這個議題到底有沒有相關 還是其實跟這個議題並不相關應該很相關 那所以啊 |
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那今天來講同樣是沒有在邀他們過來所以在交通委員會每次討論極端氣候或是氣候變遷的時候其實環境部他們的氣候變遷署通常都是置身事外那我們看到了其實在在氣候變遷對於地方造成的影響包括上次的一個風災卡努風災那我們也知道說這些議題來講如果有心行政院要來提高他這個氣候變遷的這種這種問題的解決 |
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那我在想說在交通部其實還是要在相關的業務來去做一個整合包括還有我們的災防告警細胞的廣播服務還有以及我們的所謂的就是訊息中心那其實科技中心他其實業務他來講他跌床駕屋但是卻跟我們交通部的訊息業務來講的話其實並沒有做很暢通的一個溝通所以本期還是希望交通部能夠進行主導謝謝 |
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好 謝謝 |
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今天的議程是相關有關於汛期的一些準備的問題所以並沒有邀請環境部氣候變遷屬那油化委員的建議以後我們會納入考量有關於氣候的相關議題好現在請廖先祥委員發言 |
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好 謝謝趙偉 麻煩邀請我們部長請部長好 部長好 這個今天這個訊息準備就加油了我這個有另外的問題想要請教部長有關我們臺灣這個也跟交通跟科技一個問題啦我們我過去的擔任議員的時候我們交通部都有補助一些自駕的巴士嘛 對不對 |
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但去年有一個消息這個新聞是經濟部主導的一個案子經濟部有主導就是一個科技研發就是自駕的部分然後把產業輸出到澳洲然後在澳洲的高速公路來實行這個自駕的技術那不曉得我們交通部對於這樣子的一個消息你們有瞭解嗎 |
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交通部是在自駕在我們自衛運輸這一塊 |
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是讓我們輔導過相當多的團隊在比如說現在這個淡海淡海淡海有在跑像過去在這個臺中高雄都有類似這個自駕車我們公務總局在這個西濱也有類似的計畫但是第一屆產業的輔導這一塊是在經濟部但是我們是做就是所謂的這個從POC開始的一些到POV的這個這個是我們在做但是產業的輔導會在這個經濟部這一部 |
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好沒關係這個會後當然交通部可以去了解一下那當然今天還有時間我們也可以先來討論一下因為在自駕這部分啊自駕應該會分兩個部分的需求因為一個部分是載人一個是載貨嘛當然都是自駕的技術但是會主要分成這兩項那我們交通部目前都是主導主要發展載人這一個部分那載貨這部分比較少著墨嘛 |
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那但是其實載人的門檻來說相對比較高無論是安全性的要求或是跟乘客的一些溝通解決乘客的需求其實在 |
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公車自駕之間上面的門檻是比較高一點反而是在貨運上面的一個自駕的需求相對會比較低一些因為他不用處理人的問題他處理交通安全的問題就好了那因為其實我們如果說部長平常我在國一上班時間經過的時候會發現尤其在台北段我相信全台灣各個路段都會一樣 |
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我們的連結車所佔的比例是相當高的嘛,相當高的,然後又跟我們的上班族通行在一起的時候,就變成說交通都非常的擁捨,那如果說,我們的高中局有沒有曾經討論過,也讓我們的高速公路引進這個自駕的一個系統? |
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我瞭解是這樣就是說的確因為交通部以公共運輸為先所以我們用巴士來當作我們這個從研發一直到上路的這個這個過程那目前在貨物部分像我們的我們貨物反而是在那個封閉式比如說由這個郵政的倉儲管理裡面他也類似在在這個在在比如說在這個減貨的時候會類似用這種方式來處理 |
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那的確目前交通部是沒有針對這個後車但是未來就是說自駕車的社會是全世界都在跑啦所以我想說應該是從忍到後這邊 |
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這個應該也是都未來的一個因為我是一定是正面看待這件事情那我今天才會來跟我們交通部來討論因為我們的技術既然都已經輸出到國外去了那我代表這個東西我們國內應該也是應該先持一個比較開放性的態度來做一些討論尤其現在運輸業部長也知道缺司機缺的非常嚴重嘛 |
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那包括如果說我們可以在不同的時段用自駕的技術讓這些貨車不要避免在這個交通尖峰的時刻在路上跑我們盡量讓他自駕的時間自駕因為他人力少嘛他也可以可能一個人可以一開始從一台兩台三台一定是慢慢這樣加上去在離峰的時段運用我們高速公路的路權然後把我們尖峰時段的 |
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自駕方面的安全性一定比人駕還來得高 |
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我不曉得我講的這句話部長認不認同我們現在有一個從113到119的電動公車的一個計畫補助計畫其中有一項如果你有自駕的這些補助我們會再增加一些補助有那個自駕的設備我們會增加補助 |
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最後從ADAS到這個自駕的部分所以我當時在他們寫這個計畫我特別跟他們講說應該把這些先進未來導向自駕的東西放在補助計畫一塊這意思是說所有的縣市政府或科技公司在申請的時候他也會有個力量是往這個自駕方面來發展 |
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那委員所提到的貨運的確我們交通部還是以這個安全等為主那我想到這部分可能後面我們會從沙盒開始這個POC開始我們來處理是所以我們應該先第一步應該後續如果說部長持開放的態度的話那應該第一步我們應該先跟經濟部來瞭解一下他們輔導的一個技術在基本上的成熟程度那以及在澳洲到底上路了沒那他這個可能在事情的這段期間他的成效怎麼樣 |
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第二部分當然就是因為現在台灣國內的運輸業者原則上都還是民間所以說後續可能也是要輔導如果說前面經濟部在國外的示範推廣是可行的那要引進國內的話那可能會遇到哪些問題這可能也會需要有一些短中長期的計畫一部分是高速公路的一些硬體的設備的建置因為他可能需要很多的一些相關的為了提升安全他需要很多一些通訊或者是攝影的設備 |
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我們現在有交通部有一個做了很多應該109開始的實驗場域在淡海 |
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那是我們跟新北合作的,所以它裡面就是所謂V2X的部分也做得很完整,所以它可以比如說自駕車或自駕貨車,事實上都可以做測試,所以剛才談到有一些從沙爾開始的部分,我們這個場域是足夠的 |
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好那既然我們台灣有這麼好的一個技術可以輸出到國內那我請我們交通部後續來繼續來推動這個計畫我看看是不是能夠在多少的時間內可以有一個短中長期的一個計畫或是說至少有一個可行性評估之類的來做一個了解這樣子做後撤的部分是不是後撤的部分 |
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謝謝廖委員發言完畢 現在請林德福委員發言 |
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謝謝主席,是不是請那個王部長請王部長部長,我請教,因為目前有像那個保齡餐飲業者發生食安問題卻發現他的產品責任保險,責任保險早已經到期失效,沒有續保 |
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那由這個來借鏡公路法第65條明定公車業還有國道客運業、遊覽車業、計程車業、接鶯投保、旅客的責任保險那請問交通部中央跟地方是否有掌握上述這些業者保險奇效如何避免上述業者在營業期間保險失效的問題 |
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那個交通部你們這邊做個說明這個非常嚴謹包括我們驗車都要檢查我是請局長跟您報告一下跟委員報告公路法65條就本來就有規定就像遊覽車的這運輸業者都要投保旅客的責任保險所以第一個就是說他驗車的部分我們一定會查 |
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第二 所有車輛保險額度保險效期在公路局的局網也會公布各區監理所站都會定期到相關運輸業者公司做安全報告同樣的在空運方面民用航空法規定民用航空運輸業者應投保責任保險 |
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海運方面行業法也明定規定應依主管機關所定的保險金額為旅客投保傷害保險本席也提醒交通部中央與地方務必要確實上述業者的保險是否能在有效期內以避免發生意外後旅客的權益受損這方面部長 |
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希望如此 |
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本席瞭解包括氣象預報有極限強降雨預警的時間不足難以及時應變過去北部地區曾經發生強降雨導致台鐵軌道大淹水剛好遇到下班的尖峰時段 |
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那這個平均霧點差不多一個鐘頭60分鐘民眾抱怨連連本席希望交通部台鐵配合氣象署的預報在義煙水路段及找設置移動式抽水機加速排水避免影響鐵路的運輸 |
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這部分應該在台鐵也都有特別不要滴挖地我請董事長再跟您補充一下跟委員報告我們特別對於滴挖地區容易淹水的路段我們都有持續做硬體改善那剛剛講的這個應變的部分我們會加強來跟這個轉成這些客運公司來聯繫謝謝那個王部長 |
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因為環島高鐵不是夢本期也希望說能夠美夢成真以日本新幹線為例部分路線也穿越了許多的山脈在地形環境上與台灣類似我想應該可以參著這個日本的技術 |
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那本席希望說行政院與交通部以正面的態度來看待環島高速鐵路建設特別條例草案未來工程技術會越來越精進日本新幹線當時有留下延伸的空間才有後續九州北海道的新幹線本席希望宜蘭屏東要留下延伸空間 |
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留下未來環島的可能性部長你的看法如何環島高鐵這個建設我支持交通部也循序現在先北往宜蘭南往屏東接下來應該就是往臺東花蓮然後花蓮跟臺東連最後三段但是就是說要不要用特別條例我是覺得因為我現在所有建設比如說委員你重視的中和公管線也是要走這個路 |
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我希望說這個事情我們積極推啦因為很多民眾很期待 |
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阿剛剛部長有特別提到綜合關戶線阿其實台北市齁那個捷運局也支持新北也支持那這條線為什麼因為每天齁我有觀察尤其在成功路阿包括旁邊有條停頂道路 |
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委員會主席 |
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請你的那些單位能夠積極的推好不好好現在就是臺北市政府要提出計畫了我看起來他們現在目前都有共識我也很支持就是當時南北縣現在等於說重新再對其實當初要是做到內湖那時候因為那時候的那個臺北市的那個協運局局長叫常希德那時候才1064億而已現在要3000億 |
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所以說此一時彼一時啊當初本來就應該做但是前一任臺北市兩任的前市長齁臺北市決議一條都沒有做真可惜啦真的那時候做現在已經解決內科的問題了以上謝謝好謝謝謝謝林德鋒委員的發言我們接著請侯孟楷委員 |
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主席謝謝麻煩請王國材部長有請部長 |
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部長我想先確認一下本席這邊有聽到是說現在這個無人機的一個採購好像是說大家動輒得咎就是這個逢中必反到一個無限上綱所以只要Made in China這個都不行那甚至講是說很多部會他可能要採購無人機的時候會面臨說無廠商投標或者是說可能廠商用別一樣的型號但是他可能掛起他的國家反而 |
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大陸品牌就不行還是裡面有零件有大陸就不行 |
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現在包括關鍵零組件也不行關鍵零組件也不行那有沒有最近這樣子一整年下來因為不管是交通部我們邊坡巡視橋樑的巡視其實很多地方都需要無人機甚至氣象局觀測這些相關也都需要無人機啊 |
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報告委員有關那個無人機的政府採購的部分在那個政府採購規範的一個那個範本裡面他是有去訂定說有關政府採購的部分大陸製的是不行大陸製不行嗎那零件勒 |
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那零件的部分其實他是有設定說那個機關可以責定就是說可以定或不定依據他採購的性質那我們身為中央主管機關因為無人機照理講還是我們交通部這民航局這邊來做一個管理吧 |
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是就是我們無人機有管理系統因為本席聽到接獲到很多甚至有部會都在講是說因為這樣子逢中必反很多其同一個型號他可能變成是到第三國去做一個過水反而一樣的型號賣貴兩三倍就變成是廠商就用比較貴的一個價格來賣我們那全世界的市場只有我們台灣要買因為我們台灣是不能Made in China但一樣的型號 |
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有沒有發生這樣的情況有沒有去了解這個部分我們可能要再了解齁那主要因為是任大陸廠牌那是政府採購那如果是民間企業他要用的部分這個部分是沒有在我們現在不是講民間企業我們現在講的是公部門公部門的採購 |
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所以說現在是不是有很多公部門要採購無人機都沒有無機可採沒有廠商投標其實事實上在交通部的部分也有採購無人機那不過他就不是大陸製的有一部分 |
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有沒有採購比較貴現在包括採購還有展演我們現在都要求很嚴格那這個就是不能有大陸事實上剛才那個關鍵零組件也不行所以我想說這部分是等於國家的一個政策我們就以這樣陳建仁院長也講說有看到陳建仁院長不是去視察所以有看到那個無人機上面有Made in China院長不也講是說不用太吹毛求疵 |
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院長講的話好像就跟我們部長講的話不一樣部長本席這邊在要求我們民航局給本席一個相關資料好不好到底你們現在的一個規範那還有有沒有你們採購無人機你剛有講到是說我們這邊有採購無人機嘛你的這個採購價格的部分也請給本席一個資料可以嗎可以好部長再來跟你請教今天上午你也有講到1200萬的觀光人士往下修了變成1000萬 |
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本來一年365天有365天可以做生意現在可能只剩300天了 |
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因為有60天沒有辦法做生意啊就沒生意啊那對於我們飯店旅遊住宿觀光餐飲運輸業者就叫苦連天了而且部長請教您自由行跟團客最大的差別對我們國內市場來講最大的差異跟最大關鍵性在哪裡 |
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部長移動的範圍嘛其實部長講到重點團客跟自由行影響最廣就是中南部的旅遊市場啦講白一點 |
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自由行來做相對來講他在雙北地區或是大都會地區大眾運輸工具比較方便的地方自由行的旅客會比較多但是團客因為他可以有住宿有運輸有遊覽車業者所以他可以規劃全台的一個旅行所以對整個中南部市場團客沒來影響是比較廣的 |
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這個跟委員報告一下這就是我們希望能夠從遊客的部分能夠往中南部走所以我們有些策略譬如說包括買高鐵買一送一這種策略都是對 署長現在重點是源頭沒來你再怎麼樣策略怎麼變都沒有辦法 |
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所以說這是部長就已經講了他一千兩百萬要銷售一千萬那我們講是說連這一千萬能不能達到業者觀光業者也都覺得說非常辛苦我們有沒有更積極的措施部長上禮拜本席在這邊也跟您請教過您也講是說我們第一名的2023年第一名的國外旅客來的是港澳地區 |
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本席也講了你也不要講是說這個好像讓大家覺得是說香港地區的朋友你不歡迎他但除此之外到底我們還有沒有什麼方式可以幫助觀光業者還是我們就雙手一攤 |
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我們第一季大概兩百萬嘛那現在數量一直在增加這意思說這個如果用兩百萬來講就是八百然後開始增加我想說這個部分我們是還是有信心現在有什麼信心我跟委員報告你現在你自己都講就是說第一季只有兩百萬到四季這樣子也只有八百萬連一千萬都達不到你今年一月一號都信誓旦旦講說一千兩百萬一千兩百萬數字誰喊的 |
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所以我們現在是不是政治意識形態還是影響到國內的旅遊市場 |
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你原本預期入客來台有多少人?就是200到250萬疫情期間入客來台多少人?大概270萬入客 疫情期間 疫情之前之前270萬最高有到多少人?400萬 |
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但是就在於民進黨政府上任之後逐步下降 |
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所以部長 處長本席還是在這邊我們要的是幫我們的觀光業者來發聲如果說你自己也改口了也不過才幾個月時間欸三個月不到啊一月一號的時候我剛剛還去翻你一月一號的時候媒體受訪的時候一千兩百萬我們要捍衛有尊嚴的市場不到三個月改口變成一千萬 |
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那這些業者他準備怎麼準備我都不想講說所有業者叫苦連天他們自己在想是說他們都覺得說將帥無能累死三軍啊很多觀光業者甚至也覺得說可能不是我們交通部可能不是觀光署的問題那但是重點是你如果說你甚至意識形態綁住的話你永遠大家都沒有活路 |
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你身為主管機關能不能真真正正的想出一些辦法以及用專業來講話不要每一次都是政治意識形態綁架可以嗎我跟委員報告我們現在四處善意啊現在求待對方真的求待對方只要對方有善意我們就會整個就會全部解決這個部長再跟委員這邊做個答覆好不好加油啦真的本期還是希望喔 |
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五二零即將到來大家沸沸揚揚講說你是帶觀察名單但我一直講是說如果說可以用專業來講話的話至少我們溝通起來會比較順暢謝謝洪委員的發言我們接著下一位陳俊宇委員來發言 |
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好謝謝主席請王部長還有我們葉局長跟港務局的陳總經理請部長還有局長跟總經理部長好部長我想請教一下就是針對在蘇澳港 |
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裡面有一艘巴拿馬級的貨輪環球鑽石他是什麼時候停靠在港內的?您知道嗎?去年9月那為什麼會停那麼久?他因為那個欠那個香港的郵箱的郵料錢所以被扣在蘇澳港目前那個部長針對這艘船他的停泊狀況我們有沒有掌握相關的訊息?我是不是請那個局長報告? |
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有 跟委員報告對於這個因為這艘船目前停在蘇澳港的13號的碼頭那我們跟港公司還有港警海巡都24小時在掌握這個環球鑽石號的這個船礦是 |
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13421.58 |
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那另外為了確保他的這個安全我們港公司第一個是加強這個繫廊那另外對於他停靠的這個碼頭也希望把目前13號能夠移駁到內港的2號碼頭 |
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來降低受封面的影響目前都在進行中另外特別有個重點跟委員報告因為積欠油料的問題經過航港局跟港務公司我們協助傳東來跟油料商來協調目前已經在29號達成共識和解由傳東支付30萬美元的和解金 |
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13451.531 |
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13467.377 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].text |
所以預計呢在最慢在4月底之前會駛離蘇澳港那目前據船代的回報大概船東在12號之前就會備託這個船員目前最新的這個預報是12號預計在月中就可以駛離這個蘇澳港 |
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13488.12 |
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請我們局長這部分要持續去追蹤因為現在目前這艘船他在水線以上已經發現一個70公分的裂痕70公分的裂痕 |
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相關單位都有在密切追蹤可是這70公分的列人怕會衍生到最後這艘船如果還沒駛離之前會不會沉沒的問題那還有226噸的重油還在這個船上 |
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13527.917 |
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那剛剛局長您也說了在這個月中的時候這艘船應該會完成相關的程序會使禮可是他的船員是在1月19號已經全部遣返了那遣返之後你現在這些船員完全沒有保留一般來講應該是要保留三分之一左右的人力在那邊可是他是完全沒有保留 |
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那你現在所有的船員要全部再招募回來才有辦法去讓這艘船重新啟動這個動力所以這個部分我也請我們這個航港局這邊應該要去掌握不然未來這個船如果發生重大事故的話不曉得誰要去承受這個責任謝謝委員提醒這個部分我們會提早來督促這個船方做好準備那提早讓船員掌握這個船舶的這個狀況 |
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好 因為在這個颱風季節快到了啦那因為他目前這一艘船齁我希望我們一定要密切去注意就因為他只有15條纜繩拉住這一艘船 |
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| transcript.whisperx[505].end |
13588.836 |
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那目前已經有兩條是已經斷裂了啦那一條纜繩大概可以支付的這個可以支應的這個重量大概30噸那等同大概450噸的這個耐力而已那在17級的這個陣風的時候以每平方公尺499公斤來計算的話大概是1200噸的這個風力所以颱風季節來之前這一艘船一定要駛離有沒有問題 |
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13616.566 |
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我們現在就是朝月中就此離蘇澳港部目標來努力好那針對這艘船的相關問題我也希望說我們這個航港局這邊可以跟我們縣政府還有這個海軍部分都要知會讓他們知道這艘船的情況共同來把這個問題解決 |
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| transcript.whisperx[507].end |
13644.278 |
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有 謝謝委員 這部分我們跟縣府還有這個海軍縣長駐地的單位都有這個資源的協定保持密切聯繫好 這個局長就要拜託你有 謝謝委員提醒另外那個部長我想請教因為防汛期也將到了那針對宜蘭縣有兩座大橋急需競速來改善一座當然就是我們的南陽大橋那另一座是葛馬蘭大橋 |
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13645.859 |
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13674.058 |
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那針對這個部分我們有沒有相關的期程現在在設計中我請局長跟你說好請局長各位報告蘭陽大橋其實我們基本上檢測是沒有問題不過就是說因為下豪大雨的時候其實有時候會淹到橋面那我們大概就是說主要要配合就是說那個經濟部水利署他有那個蘭陽溪的河川治理計畫所以他的大概兩底的高度我們要做相關的一個抬高那目前已經在進行相關的一個設計工作 |
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| transcript.whisperx[509].end |
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那我們大概要到明年的這一個12月會完成這個設計基本上這個蘭陽大橋就是說我們完成設計後就會儘速來發包那另外一個耿馬仁橋的話其實他在這個目前是做環評那在今年的10月份大概會通過環評那環評審查之後我們就會做一樣會做西部設計那預計是在跟這兩座橋大概都在明年大概下半年會來做相關的一個發包施工 |
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好 確定都沒問題嗎目前我們都已經照進度在做相關的一個設計好 局長那剛剛針對南陽大橋跟格馬蘭大橋的部分是不是會又可以給我一份完整的資料包括它的期程跟相關設計還有這個什麼時候要開工什麼時候會完工的部分好沒問題好 謝謝部長 謝謝局長好令人懷念的南陽大橋現在 |
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陳委員發言完畢現在請黃建斌委員發言黃建斌委員黃建斌委員不在現在請顏寬恆委員發言顏寬恆委員顏寬恆委員不在現在請蔡易瑜委員發言 |
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| transcript.whisperx[512].end |
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謝謝主席 那我們是不是有請部長請部長部長這個現在台積電這個COVAX封裝廠那大概在嘉義科學園區已經做一個已經確定了所以事實上要怎麼強化整個從家科 |
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到周邊的這樣的一些運輸交通的能量我想這件事真的要緊所以我想要進一步來跟部長說就是說如果以現在整個半導體的一個布局那從嘉義那到台南的南科一直到高雄橋科他大概是整體的一個規劃那這樣的一些半導體的一些 |
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從生產到封測最後要出口他主要要靠什麼要出口?空運都靠空運現在如果要靠空運他都要為甚麼? |
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臺灣機場貨運的吞吐量大概是佔所有貨運的差不多90幾%每個地方都有機場 |
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從高雄有小港、台南安平機場、嘉義有水上機場都有機場,但是貨運基本上都做不起來,都要靠通行當然通行有比較先天上的一個優勢,它的優勢包括說它本身的班機航線夠多,現在的貨運幾乎都是跟所謂的民航跟貨運是包在一起的 |
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這個問題就是說因為現在大概除了通行以外村的地方的機場都是有宵禁的問題那第二個就是當然要涉及到這個機場它的航站的一個面積甚至跑道的長度所以我大概也整理齁 |
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大概整個南部啦 南部的一些機場 你看紐約嘉義機場它的跑道長度是3050台南機場也是3050那花蓮是2751 那台東是2438那我要請教部長就是說 那如果以這樣的跑道長度來發展國際的貨運的話這幾個機場有沒有機會呢 |
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我們現在那個陶磯都大概新的都是大概4000公尺現在都是大概3800 |
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對,3850,所以的確這個是比較太短了,真的太短,有點太短,所以如果像那種前後機在跑的時候是會比較不夠,但是就是我們如果要真的要規劃的話,在整個南部的一個半導體的一個生產出來後,南部是需要有國際機場的 |
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可以跑這樣的貨運的國際機場因為目前既然我們大家都知道不管是高雄也好台南也好他的所有的半導體還是都要跑到桃園這中間的運費是很高的 |
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中間的運費是很高的,所以南部能不能有國際機場,這件事要我們部長你來做一個PASS才有這樣的機會,貨運的,針對貨運的,南部現在小港是國際機場,但是我們在貨運要提升它的功能的話,我們要有另外的安排 |
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對,就是說要建一個南部新的國際機場,包括用地跟環評,過去交通部的民進黨局也做過評估,非常困難,當時有包括高雄南新嘛,還有包括台南啊等等都有,還有包括岡山也都評估過。 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[524].end |
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那我個人是覺得可能最因為台灣機場第一個你如果要送到世界各國去通通有航線這個最重要你一個機場不是說做一個機場你那航線要不要進駐是問題如果沒有航線等於說你趕快比如說你到歐洲沒有航線就飛不出去什麼等等的問題 |
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| transcript.whisperx[525].end |
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我覺得當然我們可以針對於這個整個加科或是台積電在嘉義裡面看怎麼樣有怎麼樣的一些方案尤其要比較極短期的方案比如說跟台灣國際機場怎麼連結快速甚至有些部分他可能是跟高雄機場做一些連結我想這部分我們來 |
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我先整體評估一下如果說機場需要擴大怎樣我覺得我們嘉義機場他還是有他一些優勢在因為畢竟如果涉及到徵收的話我們相對的徵收的徵收的成本是比較低的好不好這是讓部長可以去考慮的那第二個齁時間都一分鐘就好那我們知道在針對橋科跟南科過去有所謂S狼線S狼帶 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].start |
14094.908 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].end |
14114.638 |
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未來從橋科跟南科他們所謂的晶圓的製造先進製成的一個製造那未來他總要到加科再作為這個先進封裝COAS的一個所以未來這個S郎帶要怎麼延伸可以延伸到加科 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[528].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[528].text |
這部分可能也要請部長來做評估那我想第一步哩比較具體而且可能相對成本比較低的大概就是在從高鐵下面這條台37線 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].start |
14127.993 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].end |
14128.013 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].text |
這條台37線 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].start |
14152.123 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].end |
14180.189 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].text |
為綠草延伸到新娘,甚至未來我們就招攬客戶,這方面我就來做一個評估先是不是這樣吼,南部高雄市有這樣的計畫,它是台山九啦對,台山九的這個高鐵橋下的這個計畫,那這部分是不是先縣政府這一邊初步評估一下,然後再我們再做一些討論,說的是從生活圈要怎麼樣來處理這樣,好不好?好,那這部分來 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[531].end |
14184.43 |
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謝謝蔡委員發言完畢現在請楊瓊英委員發言楊瓊英委員楊瓊英委員不在現在請傅坤祺委員發言傅坤祺委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].start |
14210.501 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].end |
14230.988 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].text |
副坤祺委員不在．現在請張家俊委員發言張家俊委員．張家俊委員不在．現在請鄭振淺委員發言鄭振淺委員．鄭振淺委員不在．現在請邱志維委員發言 |
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14244.123 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].end |
14257.707 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].text |
謝謝我們第一名的主席請王部長 請王部長 公路局陳局長公路局陳局長 台鐵公司杜威董事長淘機公司楊董事長 楊董事長臺灣高鐵陸副總經理 陸衛東陸副總經理邱偉豪 第一個問題應該問杜董事長就是岡山車站 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[534].end |
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就是兩鐵共購嘛台鐵跟這個跟捷運那6月30號就要啟用這部分這個圍管的問題我們新設一個東出口另外跨佔天橋就是為了這個旅客出入方便安全所以這個圍管的問題跟財產的歸屬我開過兩次協調會好像三次一二三四五五六次一直沒辦法解決我覺得這是小問題是不是杜董事長您出面一下 |
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14317.141 |
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邀請高雄市政府捷運局趕快就你們全管委管跟財產歸屬問題趕快去解決因為6月30號馬上就要啟用了你這個委管不明這很奇怪吧我們來召集會議來給他做一個處理好謝謝杜董事長另外楊董事長 |
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台灣機場這個旅客安檢手提行李的安檢那個轉盤這屬於機場設備對不對執行機關當然是屬於航警 |
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安潔的設備是行警那轉盤的設備是我們淘氣公司轉盤你要現代化那轉盤啊打開你的碗缸拿到轉盤那個盤子啊要放背包要放衣服安潔要有時候放皮帶那轉盤還要那員工要開螢幕看到螢幕看到一半噢沒有轉盤了以後要去拿轉盤接旅客這轉盤啊很多機場你去你去關西機場你去東京那個機場轉盤全部自動化 |
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自動輸送女客從抽屜拿出來轉賣就有盤子拿出來就有然後這個一直通過安檢然後再從那個再把他送回來這個很簡單的事情你們為什麼沒想到 |
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這個應該要馬上去建置﹖是讓我們來補充說明一下跟委員報告您提到的是行李安檢的一個行李托盤的自動回收系統在我們目前在新建的第三行下已經是採用這樣設計了第三行下什麼時候才啟用因為第一行下跟第二行 |
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現在是比較舊的一個空間舊就不能去置換因為這個涉及到行警的作業行警作業會更輕鬆更有效率因為行警有時候還要去把那個轉盤拖盤再拿去給旅客這個很簡單的事情你們都沒辦法想到 |
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14446.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].text |
包委員這個部分我們再跟行警來檢討一下現在的設備是你們的嘛然後已經舉窗斷層所有旅客都會這個會得到更多的方便包委員安檢設備是屬於行警的啦所以這個部分我們會再來跟他們進一步你那個S光門那我當然知道那儀器是但是你那個轉托盤的部分是你們的嘛對不對 |
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這個部分因為在安檢區這個部分的作業是行警的相關的設備包含X光機等等我知道我沒有說X光機嘛我是說那個轉盤的這個設備嘛你們要去更新要與時俱進要跟上時代是我們再來找行警來檢討一下一個月之內好不好一個月之內我希望給國人出國一個方便是是政府該有的一個責任啊不要每次都排大排長然後大家這邊擠來擠去 |
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另外這個高鐵高鐵那個現在的基本費率跟票價我很擔心這個現在這個電價要漲那這個電價一漲那高鐵的電費會不會佔營運成本大概多少比例那你如果成本增加會不會轉嫁給消費者那會不會有這個票價調漲的計畫 |
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要怎麼調漲?是階段性調漲還是政策性動漲?這個部長高鐵基本匯率是因為他有一個匯率公司那我知道啦但是他不一定跟票價是直接相關有參考性嘛我會從比如說高鐵他是不是賺錢可不可以吸收等等來考量所以目前在高鐵還沒有決定現在是賺錢啊 |
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| transcript.whisperx[545].text |
大概佔6% |
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6%所以政策上面部長你能不能承諾短期之內我已經說過雙鐵都是下半年再做一個討論哪裡來看他們營運狀況或是虧損的狀況來做討論所以短期兩三年之內都不會調漲下半年才會討論就是我這樣講兩三年之內都不會調漲 |
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差不多了齁那個討論討論那個下班人討論連這個也都沒辦法兩年之內應該不會調整齁 |
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14600.512 |
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14618.856 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].text |
高雄到雅加達因為雅加達是人口大國2.7億我一直關心高雄機場的航線東南亞這個新南向政策很重要消防機場有條件作為新南向機場的這個核心機場所以市部長希望你們可以考慮高雄增開這個雅加達航線 |
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| transcript.whisperx[549].end |
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這樣子整個新南向主要國家或穆斯林這些國家才能夠來台灣觀光這部分我希望說部長您能夠支持報告委員因為這個航線的雅加達的航權目前是在法航手上這部分我們再來跟他聯繫你們協調一下另外再20秒這個 |
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| transcript.whisperx[550].end |
14665.566 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].text |
公路局台19甲縣岡山嘉峰嘉興段那個要拓寬那部分我請局長去了解重視一下另外台17縣湖內這個海山跟海浦段那也要拓寬這個拓寬有相關的計畫要相關的程序我這個拓寬我不能立一個特別條例 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].start |
14666.927 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].end |
14666.947 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].text |
現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].start |
14694.204 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].end |
14708.133 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].text |
請鍾嘉斌委員發言 鍾嘉斌委員 鍾嘉斌委員不在現在請蘇清泉委員發言 蘇清泉委員 蘇清泉委員不在 |
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14709.233 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].end |
14728.507 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].text |
現在請李博毅委員發言李博毅委員李博毅委員不在現在請王美惠委員王美惠委員王美惠委員不在現在請陳冠廷委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[554].end |
14746.122 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].text |
陳冠廷委員陳冠廷委員不在現在請徐欣盈委員徐欣盈委員徐欣盈委員不在現在請洪森翰委員 |
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14747.968 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].end |
14759.294 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].text |
紅森漢委員．不在現在請陳玉珍委員．不在登記質詢委員．已發言完畢做以下決定報告及尋討完畢委員黃健豪所提書面質詢列入記錄並刊登公報 |
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14777.27 |
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14788.905 |
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委員於質詢中要求提供相關書面資料或未及答覆部分,請交通部盡速以書面答覆。本日議程處理完畢,散會。 |