| IVOD_ID |
157757 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157757 |
| 日期 |
2024-12-04 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-15-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期內政委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
13 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期內政委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-12-04T10:15:50+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-12-04T10:25:02+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:12 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/01ebf86bd8208360caf95a596e6684da4a6acd55cc740f50f169037e582a3206df663d1e515b30ea5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王美惠 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:15:50 - 10:25:02 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-12-04T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請大陸委員會主任委員及財團法人海峽交流基金會董事長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於大陸委員會單位預算。三、審查大陸委員會函送財團法人海峽交流基金會114年度預算書案。四、審查大陸委員會函送財團法人臺港經濟文化合作策進會114年度預算書案。【所列預算案僅詢答，另定期處理】。） |
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王維豪主委老闆主委在這裡我先幫你探討一下稍後解說一下因為我們中美人要來到台灣要站我們的新聞場他要站他本身在台灣的新聞場他需要辦什麼來 |
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二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財 |
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二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財 |
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對、對、對,這樣就要說清楚了。在這裡本身來說,因為有的人很認真、很努力,也有時候因為他們自己的不公平,有時候可以做我們政府單位的公職人員,他需要放棄他的國籍嗎?總配喔!總配喔!來,你解釋一下。謝謝委員,給我們這個機會。 |
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二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財 |
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二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財 |
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三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財 |
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二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財 |
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二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財 |
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因為我認為這是一個問題,有的一年說實在,如果你要買地、木、鉤,如果要買一個國家的木或鉤,一年算很久了。所以我們要最重要的注意,我是在這裡補充說,我們要聽到清楚,不要斷章取義說,總配要來台灣買財新聞席,就一定要放棄。 |
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四、審查大陸委員會函送財四、審查大陸委員會函送財四、審查大陸委員會函送財 |
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二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財 |
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大陸委員會函送財大陸委員會函送財大陸委員會函送財大陸委員會函送財大陸委員會函送財 |
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尤其在台灣,我們看到我們的棒球在那裡贏出全世界第一名的時候,那天我相信沒分什麼動的,都為了中華民國台灣加油了。 |
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在這,主委,我請教你,他說中國、台北,你聽起來,你的感受是怎樣,你回答一下。我想陸團來對外發表這個說法是非常不當的,那我們也會依 |
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大陸人士來台的許可辦法。還有這個馬英九基金會給主管機關的相關書面申請切結的問題其中有一項非常清楚就是說不去對外說這個跟活動無關的政治的言論與宣傳那這個是不是違反了這個切結的這個標準 |
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我們也會跟所有的主管機關依照行政程序大家來討論來確認這個資訊我們也會做必要的行政作為跟行政處分所以委員這個事情我們也跟相關的邀請單位說明這個對台灣來說是絕大部分的國人沒辦法接受的 |
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二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財 |
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因為我覺得他來的時候要尊重你來到什麼地方,他說中國、台北的時候也不好,這是一個禮貌。還有我認為他是正經做過台灣的中華民國的總統的時候的基金會,非常不應該是這樣。 |
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包括基金會的人也必須要遵當你要執行這個專業交流你也要符合你所簽署的書面聲明之外還要符合入客來台的許可辦法這是規範你的所以你對外進行一些非必要的跟活動無關的政治宣傳是不宜的 |
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三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財 |
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三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財 |
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二、審查大陸委員會函送財 |
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王委員美惠：（10時15分）主席，請主委。 |
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主席：請主委。 |
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邱主任委員垂正：王委員好。 |
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邱主任委員垂正：跟委員報告，有關陸配取得身分，必須住滿一段時間取得在我們這邊定居的身分，然後他要回中國大陸去放棄他的戶籍再回來，這才是完整的程序。 |
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王委員美惠：拿到身分後，回去他們國家辦理戶籍…… |
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邱主任委員垂正：放棄。 |
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王委員美惠：對，所以要講清楚。本席要說的是，有人很認真、很努力，有時候也會加入不同政黨。但如果想成為政府單位的公職人員的話，是否需要放棄國籍？我問的是中配，中配！ |
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邱主任委員垂正：是。 |
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王委員美惠：你解釋一下。 |
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邱主任委員垂正：感謝委員給我們機會說明。依照兩岸條例第二十一條規定，必須要住滿且取得身分十年之後才能登記參選，或擔任公務人員，這是時間的條件。但當選之後，還是要依照國籍法第二十條規定，放棄非中華民國以外的國籍，只能單一國籍。我想國籍法應該要由主管機關內政部來說明，不過邏輯與本質的問題，就是不要讓效忠與忠誠義務發生衝突，只能效忠中華民國，不能效忠其他國家！ |
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王委員美惠：本席為什麼會這樣問？因為這麼久以來，我們都希望公職人員能對國家效忠盡心…… |
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邱主任委員垂正：是。 |
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王委員美惠：嘉義的蔡公投、蔡同榮博士、蔡委員，他取得美國終身教授職位，卻為了回臺灣擔任立法委員，他放棄了在美國的終身職！ |
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邱主任委員垂正：他放棄了。 |
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王委員美惠：我們規定如果中配要擔任公職人員，那麼在任職一年內必須放棄…… |
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邱主任委員垂正：是、是。 |
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王委員美惠：但如果一年後還沒有放棄的話怎麼辦？ |
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邱主任委員垂正：如果沒有放棄原國籍的話，那麼任何人都一樣，就失去當選的公職資格，這點在國籍法有很清楚的規定。 |
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王委員美惠：我覺得這是一個問題。老實說，如果要亂搞，甚至想把國家搞亂的話，一年綽綽有餘了，所以你們必須非常小心。我要說的是，要聽清楚，不要斷章取義，覺得中配要來臺灣拿到身分證後，就代表他們一定要放棄國籍，不是這樣的！而是擔任中華民國的公職人員才要放棄國籍。 |
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邱主任委員垂正：是，委員說得很正確。 |
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王委員美惠：在這裡本席要跟你探討，這幾天我是怎麼想都想不通，當過中華民國總統的馬英九前總統，他的基金會最近邀請中國的學生來我們臺灣交流，在交流當中，我覺得我們臺灣是一個民主自由的國家，希望學生們多交流，你們有你們國家的事情，而我們中華民國有可以讓人學習的事情，不過我看起來，他們申請來臺灣參加學校交流的時候都是在吃中華民國、臺灣的豆腐，尤其在臺灣，我們看到我們的棒球贏得全世界第一名的時候，那天我相信不分什麼黨都會為中華民國、臺灣加油。主委，我請教你，他說中國臺北，你聽起來你的感受是怎麼樣？來，你回答一下。 |
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邱主任委員垂正：我想陸團對外發表這個說法是非常不當的，我們也會依大陸人士來臺的許可辦法，還有馬英九基金會給主管機關的相關書面申請切結的問題，其中有一項非常清楚，就是不去對外說跟活動無關的政治的言論與宣傳，這個是不是違反了切結的標準，我們也會跟所有的主管機關，依照行政程序，大家來討論、來確認這個資訊，我們也會做必要的行政作為跟行政處分。所以委員，這個事情我們也跟相關的邀請單位說明，這個對臺灣來說，是絕大部分的國人沒辦法接受的，而且引發不同立場的人的對立，這個絕對是我們邀請陸生來臺所不想看到的事情，因此這個事情我想相關的主管機關會負起責任。 |
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王委員美惠：主委你不想看到這樣的事情，不過現在的環境、社會，說實在的，都覺得我們中華民國太過軟弱了！ |
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邱主任委員垂正：是啊。 |
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王委員美惠：因為我覺得他來這裡應該要尊重他來到的地方，他說中國臺北，這個也不好，這是一個禮貌。更何況他是曾經當過臺灣、中華民國的總統，他的基金會如此，非常不應該這樣啦！ |
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邱主任委員垂正：是，委員，你說得對，包括基金會的人，當你要執行專業交流，你要符合你所簽署的書面聲明之外，還要符合陸客來臺的許可辦法，這是規範你的，所以你對外進行一些非必要的、跟活動無關的政治宣傳是不宜的。 |
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王委員美惠：他的想法我也覺得很奇怪耶！他當八年的總統，他應該去發揚在中華民國的自由、民主跟教育是如何的好才對，不是來吃中華民國的豆腐啦！所以我非常地氣憤！ |
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邱主任委員垂正：是，自我矮化的離譜言論，我想絕大部分的國人都不認同。 |
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王委員美惠：主委，我質詢的時間到了，不過我希望你們對這件事要趕快處理好。 |
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邱主任委員垂正：是。 |
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王委員美惠：因為這些學生明天就要離開了，這件事情結束之後，我相信申請來的人會更多，你如果沒有一個作為，說實在中華民國會亂糟糟啦！所以主委，這是你的責任，你知道嗎？ |
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邱主任委員垂正：是，這是我職責所在，一定做好。 |
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王委員美惠：所以你要趕快啦，不是嘴巴在說，不是說得嚇死人、做得笑死人啦！好不好？以上。 |
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邱主任委員垂正：是，感謝委員。 |
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主席：謝謝王美惠委員。 |
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接下來請李柏毅委員。 |
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248 |
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委員會-11-2-15-13 |
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徐欣瑩 |
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張宏陸 |
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麥玉珍 |
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牛煦庭 |
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王美惠 |
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李柏毅 |
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張智倫 |
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黃捷 |
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蘇巧慧 |
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許宇甄 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[10] |
黃建賓 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[11] |
賴士葆 |
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吳琪銘 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[13] |
丁學忠 |
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王義川 |
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葉元之 |
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黃國昌 |
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羅智強 |
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沈伯洋 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[19] |
楊瓊瓔 |
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洪孟楷 |
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1 |
| gazette.agenda.meetingDate[0] |
2024-12-04 |
| gazette.agenda.gazette_id |
11311101 |
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11311101_00002 |
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立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會第13次全體委員會議紀錄 |
| gazette.agenda.content |
一、邀請大陸委員會主任委員及財團法人海峽交流基金會董事長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢；
二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於大陸委員會單位預算；三、審查大陸委員會函送財團法
人海峽交流基金會114年度預算書案；四、審查大陸委員會函送財團法人臺港經濟文化合作策進
會114年度預算書案【所列預算案僅詢答，另定期處理】 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_id |
11311101_00001 |