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| 委員名稱 |
陳昭姿 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:10:22 - 10:23:15 |
| 影片長度 |
773 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-12-04T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12次全體委員會議（事由：邀請勞動部部長針對「勞動部勞動力發展署北基宜花金馬分署事件及如何完善申訴管道之具體策進作為及期程」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席有請紅部長謝謝陳委員部長你剛剛在回答陳敬輝委員的時候你說警消組工會最有爭議的是什麼部分你說是罷工權最有爭議我認為現在社會上面就是說看法不一的確實是針對罷工權的部分什麼叫爭議爭議就是大家 |
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請部長要有科學證據 |
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我說的爭議的問題我不是要否認我不是要說因為我知道對公會來說罷工權很重要爭議要有針對你同意嗎?爭議要有針對你都有國家級民調嘛不是隨便網路上大家這樣說一個平台就解決啦爭議不是隨便說說的你現在是部長喔短短幾天你從這個監督別人變成被監督人請問部長你把這個角色轉換完成了嗎? |
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我們當然希望盡快然後也在適應中那也很謝謝很多同仁的協助你公開說你不用被恭喜那我倒是這個態度給予肯定因為畢竟這是犧牲了一條人命之後的換來的一個結果 |
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大家都很難過發生這樣的事情那當時勞動部的這個調查報告不僅沒有辦法釐清真相嘛這是火上加油嘛才會有今天的結果所以我向部長你要還給北屬北分屬同仁的家屬一個公道要還給全台灣人民一個真相啊這是我們現在正在做的希望做的事情那本席提的問題請部長時問時答不要閃躲啊不要呼嚨我不要和氣可以嗎可以嗎 |
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這位分署長過去的長官說他沒有收到相關的檢舉這事情我沒有辦法接受連我自己因為我之前在衛環我都聽過相關的傳聞 |
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你聽到這個鬼故事之後隔了多久隔了多久你向勞動部反映 |
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跟委員報告其實這是我在媒體上面我們其實說明過第一個因為確實你知道我上一屆：聽到又何時向勞動部反映你當時是立委啊其實是其實並不是今年二月現在大家一直說二月並不是二月沒有關係是隔了多久所以我沒有問你日期是隔了多久在應該是在去年隔了多久你聽到這個訊息然後隔了多久你的勞動部反映應該沒有多久但是具體的時間幾天幾個月幾週 |
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那當時是向勞動部反映? |
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那你有沒有持續關心?反應後就結束啦有沒有持續關心?我的個性都追到底耶你是比我更優秀的委員不是嗎?更資深優秀的委員你有沒有持續關心?我好像沒聽過你質詢的那你反應不就身為立委你不追究勞動部的責任嗎? |
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向委員報告確實我們那時候是有相關的聽聞但坦白說因為不是有陳情人來跟我陳情或者是我當時手上有具體的證據聽的時候就要去問啊所以當時我聽聞以後我當時的作用就像我剛才說我沒有當時沒有行政相關的管理權限我其實就跟勞動部做相關的反應部長如果當立委你都有追究權追究的責任你當時都沒有這樣做那我現在怎麼知道你當了你現在有行政權你會辦到底啊 |
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我現在當然要辦到底你公開跟大家說你要辦到底嗎當然時間還有時間喔我們現在就在辦當然辦到底但事實上二月啊二月的時候啊那貴黨的這個議員當然就有提出來這個不但霸凌還貪污啊剛剛前面的委員都提到這些事情那不了了之嘛 |
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這就是不了了之嘛那當時約談這個我很重視這個部分因為我想在前端去了解問題為什麼後面沒辦法阻止悲劇發生當時這個約談謝宜蓉的王安邦次長突然離職了 |
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何部長在上次質詢的時候答應我會重啟重啟二月陳情案的調查而且一周內完成那當時因為你還沒有就任部長可是你現在相任一周內你要蓋瓜承受請問調查的結果是什麼到底二月的陳情案調查的結果是什麼向陳委員說明目前就這個可能涉及到標案跟採購的部分就這部分 |
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其實檢調已經開始在查二月只有標案跟採購案沒有霸凌案 |
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就我知道當時就我目前理解的資訊是當時主要是針對這個是舊的東西已經做完了欸這不能修改不能偽造文書欸那是什麼就什麼啊就我理解齁欸你看得到啊為什麼會就你理解你看得到啊我才有就我理解啊我說就我理解的資訊當時比較不是針對霸凌案的問題比較是針對一些經費使用的問題經費使用更嚴重啊刑法啊所以我說在經費使用的問題在標案或採購上面的誰在斥案到底誰在斥案 |
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目前確實檢調針對尤其是標案或者是採購的問題下面目前正在偵辦那我們部裡面對於這些檢調偵辦我們會全力配合但是我今天前面兩集我也是關注這個部分這個也很重要我今天關注是那條人命就是說你說二月調查沒有提及霸凌案你確定 |
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就我目前看到的資料裡面他主要是針對經費的使用的狀況你說沒有談霸凌案那到底就誰吃案啊許明春說是王安邦沒有往上呈報啊那林淑芬說謝宜蓉的靠山是許明春啊那到底真相是怎麼樣民進黨派新內鬥鬥出一條人命是這樣嗎社會能接受嗎 |
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陳昭姿 |
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陳委員因為現在這件事情正在檢調其實檢調有來檢調歸檢調你內部有原來的約談記錄陳委員我在這邊可以說其實檢調針對其實有來跟我們說針對標案跟採購的部分因為目前檢調正在調查所以他們希望針對這個採購跟標案的部分我們先暫緩 |
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我們先讓台上代表發言 |
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我們會把這樣這樣的聲音也一樣我們會把它帶回到行政部門裡面部長當時5月1號勞動節你上台了很享受那麼多的群眾吧這種信念我也有過啊部長你答應啊你答應把這個聲音帶回行政部門跟立法院當時你是立法委員那你有嗎還是只有你進去這個勞工的聲音沒有走到勞動部結果是你自己走到勞動部當然有反應給行政部門你有反應嗎當然那我請教你齊建價什麼時候還給勞工 |
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第一我知道很多委員跟勞工朋友都很關心工時問題那我當然支持勞工降低工時上面的負擔那行動行動那當然現在講到基金價也就是關於國定價值調整的問題現在這個國定價值調整的問題目前主管的法規是今天是節日實施辦法這個法規的主管是內政部 |
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我當然會來反映勞工各種在這個議題上面的意見但確實現在關於國定假日調整的問題他的主管法規是在內政部我同意這個部分你可以有一些時間我以後再來再進一步瞭解當天你到五一勞動的那個場合的時候他們有提出了五大訴求跟16項主張你不用一一背出來你記得幾條 |
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你會記嗎?稍後會記嗎?你會記嗎?我們可以再提醒我,對。阿不然你去啊是去啊?因為時間真的有點久,對。阿但是你上去又聽他們講話阿?當然當然當然。阿不然你去做秀阿?阿隨便幾條都問不出來喔?阿部長,你這臨危秀秘是沒有秘樂旗的喔?你沒有秘樂旗喔?你趕快上到,要趕快進入狀況捏。 |
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環境部部長在接受專訪時談到上任時他就發一個公文要主管如果下班要發LINE給員工要寫專案加班只要下班發LINE就算加班那我想請教勞動部會比照嗎?你認同嗎?這是環境部啦你認同嗎? |
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確實在一些國外的情境裡面會有像類似像這樣子的規定啦你可能要想一想我當然覺得你可以跟他不同意但是我只是問你說你要不要比照呢那如果晚上8點你想想看晚上8點署管發賴就8點半他才看到啊那個加班時間算多久啊怎麼計算 |
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我為什麼這樣問呢?因為你自己六月也向卓院長提到啊,輪班的公務員加班的餘數應該併進,對,你還記得,好所以我希望你從立委轉換到部長,不要忘記過去的主張喔不要帶頭壓榨基層喔這絕對不會忘記的,對好,下一個影片 |
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部長警察維持秩序你的助理需要這樣咆哮嗎?你的助理咆哮的意思是不輸給你在立法院執行的氣勢 |
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委員,我其實有在...你有把他帶到勞動部嗎?你有把他帶到勞動部去嗎?他沒有在我目前部長室辦公室裡面。沒有在...所以帶到勞動部去啦?沒有。你沒有帶到勞動部,我再確定。沒有。你有權利,但是我要問你,你有沒有把他帶到勞動部去?他沒有跟著我到勞動部。他沒有帶...沒有跟著你到勞動部去。好,沒有,不然我真擔心勞動部就跑出了謝宜蓉。走了一個謝宜蓉跑出了謝宜蓉。 |
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總之過去做了事講的話我們都要負責任反走過必留下痕跡希望你善待勞工善待基層好好經營你現在負責的部門 |
| IVOD_ID |
157756 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157756 |
| 日期 |
2024-12-04 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-26-12 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
12 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-12-04T10:10:22+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-12-04T10:23:15+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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