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| 委員名稱 |
鍾佳濱 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:41:29 - 09:59:47 |
| 影片長度 |
1098 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-12-04T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會第17次全體委員會議（事由：審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於立法院主管收支部分。
【僅進行詢答；預算提案於12月10日中午12時截止收件】） |
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所以你的意思是說時間先不要動嗎?那我們時間先不要動。副秘書長,因為抱歉喔,如果今天是秘書長的話,那我就可以很放心。那我必須詢問一下你對於法規的選手才決定邀請哪些主管來協助你好嗎?你對中華民國憲法熟悉嗎?熟讀啦齁?基本上熟悉。好,針對他們熟讀吧?立法院主治法熟悉吧?有閱讀過。立法院職權刑事法如果不了解的話你會問誰? |
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法治局還是議事處那議事規則不熟悉你會問誰議事處好議事規則你熟嗎目前在熟悉當中那直宣刑事法剛修過你熟嗎因為修了很多啦我熟悉的是比較舊的比較舊的新的你要適應那立法院各委員會主支法你熟嗎 |
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你認為立法院存在的目的這個組織主要目的根據組織法第二條目的是什麼? |
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是不是要協助立法委員來問政行使憲法的職權是不是你不用看法條我就告訴你了立法院組織法立法委員行使職權嘛那立法委員就來開會嘛你認為立法院組織法存在就是要讓我們立法院來開會你認為民主國家的軍隊可以阻止國會議員到立法院開會嗎到國會開會嗎可不可以基本上不行不行好那我們憲法規定啊我們中華民國憲法總統可不可以宣布戒嚴 |
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可以可以但是要怎麼樣是不是要經過立法院的通過或追認是那沒有通過或追認有沒有效基本上呃無現法第39條你首讀嘛對不對對好那麼正確條文認為總統在戒嚴的時候可以解散國會嗎不可以嘛這直接回答顯然你不太熟喔顯然不太熟喔不可以對不對 |
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所以如果在臺灣我們根據中華民國憲法根據統統要宣布戒嚴要經過國會同意而且在這段時間不能解散國會要維持國會的運作是不是這樣那戒嚴法第11條什麼時候我們可以宣布戒嚴要有戰爭或叛亂發生嘛對不對而且如果在一個月內提交立法院追認嘛是不是所以今天我們昨天看到一個情況你認為在臺灣可不可能發生 |
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請問議事處跟法制局的分別執掌 剛剛問過了齁 那麼 |
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法治局他是根據什麼?議事處是負責什麼?議事的事項對不對?法治局是法治的諮詢你確定嗎?好來往下看 |
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那往下看所以我們在發生了所謂的要成立院會要成立國發基金調查委員會他在11月20號院會決議要成立到他的委員會11月27號名單送議事處那12月2號我們提示開會選召委那時候呢你認為院會我先問你院會的決議可不可以抵觸法律可不可以違背法律不行不行很好往下看 |
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來我們看一下這是院會的決議11月22號他有幾個重點他規定了調查會的組成按照各黨團的席次比例推派對不對一席次比例分布多少席61761是不是這樣子然後推派是誰推派黨團推派嘛那誰會整 |
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議事處會診 會診有沒有審查或否準的權利 沒有 他只是會診 然後呢 院會匯報 什麼叫院會匯報 匯報給大會知道嘛 各黨能送來的名單嘛 院會有否準的權利嗎 有沒有 有沒有否準的權利 大聲點 有沒有 |
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沒有基本上是沒有沒有好那麼他這裡面規定了黨團來推派比例如何而且規定了名單要跟院會報告第一次會議什麼時間決定了對不對決定了時間對不對就是12月2號然後呢是由國民黨黨團來推派臨時主席對不對臨時主席要做什麼事情要決定召集人對不對召集人幾位幾位 |
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議員寫在哪裡立法院職權刑事法第46條調查委員會設召集委員一名對不對是嗎好然後呢這個調查委員會要不要運作要不要運作要點要你們要協助人跟他打聲一點時間很寶貴該誰跟我們副部長提示就提示好那我先問你一下根據立法院各委員會組織法第4條4-1條委員會的議程是由召委來決定 |
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那麼報告調查委員會調查委員會的議程是不是由調查委員會的召委來決定那根據我們過去的慣例調查委員會成立之後召委產生之後是不是調查委員會的議程由該委員會的召委決定是嗎 是不是好 那請問一下安排議程是召委的法定職權院會可以決議委員會第一次12月2號議決的內容要他們去處理運作要點嗎 |
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委員會中心主義基本上是委員會主義 |
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好接下來第二個問題既然院會要求要成立決議要成立一個調查委員會也決定調查委員會的組成也要告訴他時間名單等等等還包括說要推選出召委推選那個召委之前的臨時主席是由國民黨來推派都訂了很清楚了而且呢這個委員會的運作的時候呢要一個要運作要點好那現在我請問一下你看了有沒有看到上上星期 |
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十二強國際棒球十二強的決賽有嗎 對不對台灣的先發投手是誰林玉明林玉明很好林玉明是原來大會先發的名單當中的嗎不是中華隊台灣更換了嘛 對不對更換了依規定可以更換嗎 |
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他會受到處罰要罰款嘛那我們台灣就決定更換那大會可以強制不更換或強制要更換嗎不行很好所以今天我們院會的決定這個調查委員會的推派各黨人推派代表之後院會也匯報給院會知道之後第一次名單先發名單出來了先發名單出來之後民進黨團可不可以更換可不可以根據立法院執行法第45條之一事實情況改派可不可以 |
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可不可以來 署長可不可以可不可以改派名單簽發名單出來了可不可以改派 |
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這個涉及到說我們當初第一次院會的決議剛剛對啊決議啊決議說要送名單啊名單送了沒那名單如果不送的話就是預算了送了沒已經送了送了送完之後可不可以改院會已經被查過了被查過了可不可以改被查過之後呢這個被查的名單就用來開第一次會好開了第一次會第一次會開始開了嘛第一次會開的時候呢有黨團要求要改派那可不可以改那但是改派的話呢巡曆還是要再報告院會什麼叫巡曆來我們來看下一個例子來往下一看 |
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當時啊我們說這個是要議事處是匯報院會報告往下一頁國民黨說啊說必須正式新聞被查方法變更有這樣的規定嗎我們現在看陳柏惟當年陳委員解職後我們黨的新聞議事處改派蔡世應院會被查什麼時候生效 |
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委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會 |
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明期出席來請問一下我們國發會的這個設置要點立法主管機關要聘請各黨團推薦的學者專家臨聘之這個基金會啊他是根據一個管理條例設置管理條例來依法臨聘之那這個臨聘的這些學者專家是由各黨團推薦好啦那現在呢要調查的時候這些學者專家有沒有出席的義務 |
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立法院只願新是吧?有沒有?基本上是臨聘啦那臨聘了以後他應該就有出席義務阿那他是對基金會的出席義務阿現在是調查委員會要請他來阿調查委員會要根據哪一條請他來往下看 |
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我們來看一下齁 我們的修正動議的內容啊 是說什麼必案有無護航犯水 刑事不法 檢調真怕違法失職 監察院糾舉彈劾彈劾糾舉 如果是行使憲法職權的特定議案的重大關聯是立法院調查 那麼現在調查必案是立法院的職權嗎是不是法制局局長 調查必案是誰的職權 |
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有關那個調查委員會他必須針對特定議案那特定案所衍生的相關事項就由這個調查委員來做人那請問一下那目前這調查委員會他可以調查的人在我們立執法的規範當中第46條以及46條之一之二 |
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之三還有第59條聽證權的內容46條之二跟47條第二項和我們50條之一之三之四之五有沒有一樣 |
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規範的內容有沒有一樣為你所謂的規範的內容調查提要求人員來進行聽證或詢問我們的調查權的行使是在第8章第45條之後他這整張都都都在規範掉那他跟我們聽證權的三章59條之一到之五的內容第9章之一第9章之一對不對59條嗎對對對有沒有一樣 |
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有些一樣有些不一樣 |
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我們歷史法往下一頁歷史法修改之後我們看到我們歷史法59條之五的第一項拒絕證言的事由涉及國安及國安外交法律明定之個人隱私或公私的秘密請問59條之五的內容這些拒絕證言的事由我們在調查委員會裡面46條之一46條之二以及我們所說的47條第二項有沒有一致 |
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有沒有一致我直接告訴你喔47條的第2項沒有所謂的涉及國安國安外交啦也沒有法定明定的個人隱私跟其他秘密啦所以同樣的一個調查委員會當他辦聽證會的時候或者他進行調查的時候被詢問或調查的人他的拒絕證言的室友就不一樣了國民黨院會的決議漏了國安跟隱私或營業秘密當事人可不可以主張 |
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議員會的決議只有寫哦﹚詢問的內容不得逾越調查目的事項範圍﹚並於詢問前告知有拒絕證言之權利及事由﹚拒絕證言之事由準用行政訴訟法的相關規定那麼有沒有包括59條之五的內容有沒有包括這樣決議的內容我們有沒有說排除59條之五的適用 |
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跟委員報告,第50條之五在大法官宪判是第9號的解釋指向,第50條之五指第一項 |
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沒有違憲。第二項、第三項、第四項、第五項、第六項、第七項都被大法官宣布。所以這第一項的內容很重要對不對?他的第一項的內容就是說出席人員有下列情形之一者的拒絕證言或表達意見。區長我的設計是說11月22的決議內文有沒有排除59條之五第一項的適用? |
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這個要由調查委員會的委員來他們做 欸剛剛副秘長你不是說了嗎我們立法院的院會的決定都不可以抵觸法律違背法律了難道調查委員會可以排除59條之五的第一項的適用嗎可以說我們不適用59條之五第一項 可以這樣嗎 |
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第59條之五的第一項 宪判是第九號 他是沒有宣布違憲要適用啊 就要適用啊第59條之五的第一項的內容對於當事人被要求去詢問的當事人的權利保障比47條 |
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出席人員有下列之一的拒絕陣營或表達意見他可以拒絕陣營他也可以表達意見啊應該要適用嘛適用啊很好那就對了問了半天來最後我要結束主席站下一項好最後呢這個跟我們預算執行啊我們目前副院長你知道我們立法院的會議是有一些空氣品質指標啊這個會議是有沒有應該有啊沒有啊沒有空氣品質指標啊 |
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指標的部分那個部分會議是公報處的部分公報處有沒有有沒有空氣品質指標總務處是哪一個處管的你都搞不清楚哪裡有空有沒有2011就有啦2011的交通委員會就有啦教育委員會紅樓伊尼也有啦那為什麼這裡沒有 |
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是不是要有?空氣品質指標要不要有?每個會議室都裝潮好不好?可以承諾嗎?好,空氣品質很重要。噪音污染要不要研究一下?那也要求比照空氣品質指標,把每個會議室的噪音啊,的指標也放進去。因為我們會議室啊,這個職場啊,霸凌呢,空氣不好,噪音過潮,都會妨害我們的意識。承諾每個會議室都安裝兩個,空氣品質跟噪音,可以嗎? |
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主席可以做出這樣的決定嗎? |
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我們希望調查委員會根據我們的立職法應該就要遵照立職法的規定而且請責成法治局立職法通過之後前後條文相關需要整合的配套規章要求一併提出一個研究報告這個跟委員報告我們在憲判是第9號之後我們有做一個那個 |
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1084.814 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
因備齊的配套規章有沒有準備了?配套規章準備了沒?我們是有把它整理啦,把它整理後我們事後再提供給委員會跟委員辦公室可不可以?副秘書長,責任法治局一個月內把相關的配套規章因備齊的條文應該補齊的,我們國會要趕快迅速推動內規我是問副秘書長啦,一個月內可以嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
1089.295 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
1089.817 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
黃國昌委員發言 |
| IVOD_ID |
157748 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157748 |
| 日期 |
2024-12-04 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-36-17 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
17 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-12-04T09:41:29+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-12-04T09:59:47+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |