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| 委員名稱 |
王育敏 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:24:23 - 09:37:45 |
| 影片長度 |
802 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-12-04T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12次全體委員會議（事由：邀請勞動部部長針對「勞動部勞動力發展署北基宜花金馬分署事件及如何完善申訴管道之具體策進作為及期程」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席,我們是不是有請洪部長來,洪部長請部長好,你今天是不是很緊張啊?因為我看你剛剛的報告你是逐字照稿演出,一字不漏,你是不是很緊張?其實這幾天已經很多媒體來詢問了,壓力是有,但不至於到緊張 |
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因為我覺得如果是很熟練的話逐字念稿這個是比較罕見的剛剛還超時希望這個你可以升任愉快因為你是在沒有準備好的情況底下上任我想你的壓力應該特別大但是該監督的我們絕對是監督到底 |
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第一個我就要問你有關於這個勞動部濫用救安基金8000萬那可以看到這個林林總總從整個外牆的整修連咖啡豆會議室的揚聲器的採購公文的這個文書信封還有垃圾的清運還有臉書 |
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網路經營等等這些錢通通都要由救安基金來支出勞動部是不是把救安基金變成是你們的小金庫哪一個部會缺錢然後就從這個救安基金裡面把錢搬過來任意使用 |
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跟委員報告齁,其實在上週我剛接任的時候,其實我其實就已經有交代同仁,針對救安基金的支用問題：你承不承認現在的救安基金就是有使用腐爛,濫用的一個情況?部長你承不承認?我們在檢視過,上週我其實就要求我們針對救安基金的使用進行檢視,我們在這幾天的檢視過程裡面,坦白說我們真的,我們是有發現部分的項目 |
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只有部分嗎?八千萬算是部分項目嗎?是有部分的項目在致用的合一上面你認為現在所列出來這些項目通通由救安基金來使用合理嗎?包括你們的臉書網路的經營垃圾的清運還有咖啡豆的採購外牆整修通通都要由救安基金來支出這個合理嗎?委員我們是有認為裡面部分的項目確實是有問題的那幾項你告訴本席哪一項是不合理的? |
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還是你也認同我上週其實我們其實就看到比方說看到那個會議室的設備採購這個會議室的設備採購要花掉2250萬那我們其實上週我其實也到了法案署我看了那間會議室 |
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那對於這個會議室要的這個整修要用到2000多萬這樣的經費坦白說我是不能接受的我就問你未來你現在已經當部長了未來這些項目支出在今年省救安基金的時候你們還會不會這樣子編列會不會這樣子使用 |
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跟委員報告其實目前針對救安基金的支用我們其實已經未經交代法案署那我們一定是必須針對把關機制進行強化因為這裡面會有個案性的問題也有機制面的問題針對機制面的問題我們其實已經開始在邀請相關的 |
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所以部長你也不敢直接回答這幾大項目現在大家揪出來的認為有濫用之餘的你也不敢直接明確表態說以後你就不會這樣子編列這些項目一律不准從救安基金支出我覺得你不敢做這樣的稱呼你再回避問題我沒有回避問題那你就直接告訴大家我們絕對沒有回避問題但是委員我想讓委員知道其實這裡面有一些相關的項目坦白說並不是現在所有媒體 |
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呃 曝光出來的項目都每一項都有問題並不是所以你認同部分的項目部分的項目有問題你覺得只有部分有問題有些是你認同的以後還會這樣子使用就對了我們會在使用的名目上面更明確的做檢討他到底合不合宜我們會用資質的檢討來去處理問題本席就告訴你齁你們現在如何的濫用這個救安基金齁大家都在關注這個許民村的演唱會喔 |
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你們對外說花了368.7萬元在這個演唱會結果我去調資料你們的計畫裡面根本沒有這個演唱會的項目我要問你們的是請問演唱會的舞台燈光音響樂團服裝人員這一些的支出項目到底在哪裡從你們提供給我的資料裡面沒有一筆是這樣的支出你們的支出是什麼大家看到 |
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這個PVP上面的影帶製作204萬影像拍攝150萬平面設計8萬客製化的口罩12萬請問你們編列這樣的一個預算是文宣媒體採購結果變成了百萬的演唱會預算可以這樣子腐爛的使用嗎我們再看下一張 |
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你這個是完全的細項喔你的影帶製作裡面你說你要做7支影帶一支影帶的金額是高達29萬0837元然後你的影像拍攝是一組145萬4163元還有平面設計兩組然後你還要做口罩非常的昂貴一個口罩要24塊 |
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請問你這一些你勞動部還有書面的驗收記錄然後我就是看不出來演唱會的任何一筆支出到底在你這一個宣導製作裡面哪一筆是符合演唱會的支出通通都沒有那演唱會的錢從哪裡來你告訴本席那個跟網友報告齁 |
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呃針對現在大家看到這個音樂會的活動其實也是一樣上週其實我們就請有單位來做報告第一個事情是確實性工法是臺灣包括性別平等包括勞動法之外非常標誌性的事件但是我要說的是對於 |
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有部分的橋段的呈現確實如果讓這不是橋段呈現問題部長我現在在問你是說你們自己告訴本席的是你們這一個音樂會原位專編預算你是沒有編預算的結果你就直接把文宣媒體的通路的採購案直接的錢把它挪過來然後就去辦演唱會預算是可以這樣子用的嗎政風處處長你上來 |
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預算是可以這樣子用的嗎那如果這樣子以後立法院不要審預算了你們所有的媒體採購自己再去長出另外一個演唱會那立法院在監督什麼可以這樣子嗎我問你媒體採購的預算可以直接變成是演唱會嗎 |
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整個就是媒體通路然後他是一個開口合約然後再根據我們各個計劃的項目再去執行的 |
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他在發包的時候他是一個就是一個開口合約然後事後根據實際的需要然後才去執行各個所謂的宣導的項目那你沒看到他的怎麼編列嗎他的影帶製作一隻要29萬多要做7隻就佔掉200多萬了 |
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那我就高度懷疑啊要嘛就是你這個媒體採購你根本就是浮邊亂邊都是灌水的天底下哪有那麼好的事情我要幫你做7支的影單一支成本高達29萬然後還要免費送你一個演唱會演唱會百萬等級的我沒有看過這樣子的一個一個開口合約我也沒有看過一個媒體可能會這麼大方要嘛就是你這一些所謂的媒體7支通通都是灌水的 |
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就是腐爛製造的29萬應該要拍出什麼樣的水準你那7支影片提供給委員會我們大家來欣賞一下我們大家來看一下花29萬一支的這個影帶成本到底拍成什麼樣子這個是完全不合理的 |
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目前此案檢調其實已經來做調閱跟偵辦了 |
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你們自己都沒有發現有問題 連政風處署長都不敢講一聲 部長你也不覺得有問題我當然 我不會說他沒有問題 但是現在檢調確實已經在整辦跟調閱中 本部會全力配合檢調的調查 |
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這個你以後要怎麼改善救安基金我們要怎麼樣監督現在你手上握有權力請問你要如何強化監督我們目前正在研議這個強化監督的機制你什麼時候機制要出來包括大家現在對於可能呈現的形式上面的批評跟指教當然我們都會納入這事情的參考你預計什麼時候提出來 |
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我們希望我真的是希望儘快因為這幾天我們其實就請同仁找外部的專業者來提供給我們這些專業的建議我想這個社會大家受不了這個救安基金變成是勞動部的金庫而且任意的挪用甚至還違法的使用這個絕對是大家沒有辦法忍受的事情所以我要求你應該要限期就要提出你的監督機制一個月可不可以可以 |
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可以齁好我要求一個月之後你要把這個重新的監督管理機制提出來另外最後我要問你今天本來其實您要提提示這個調查報告有關於吳姓公務員親身的這個事件的調查報告按照那個期程之前勞動部答應委員會就是兩個禮拜的時間就是今天時間到了結果今天你隻字未提說還在重啟調查那我就問你我就問你期程你的調查報告什麼時候給委員會 |
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我們目前預計下週會讓重啟調查的報告對外界來公布然後會來說明下週就可以下週下週禮拜七 |
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我要跟委員說因為我們目前正在增加訪談的對象也是希望能夠讓這個調查報告更加的周延跟完整那我自己也希望要快可是確實這裡面的時間我自己坦白說我自己也希望儘快但我目前預期之人就是在下週下週一定要交出來而且下週我要求喔 |
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針對這一個無姓員工他生前他的上班時值的時間上一次你們交的是10月22號為止喔你們的報告裡面必須往前回溯他到底從什麼時候開始就已經是過勞超時加班這些你應該都要一個一個你們既然是仔細的調查我要看到這個部分不可以只交10月22號的這個上班紀錄 |
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委員我也想跟各位說明在這次的調查報告裡面我們當然更希望去還原這位無姓的公務員他究竟經歷了什麼我們很希望就這部分能夠把它理清楚那給家屬一個真誠的交代這是我們這次調查報告裡面我認為很重要的重點 |
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因為這段時間大家各界其實有很多的建議其實在12月2號就是禮拜一的時候 |
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職安署也請邀請了專家學者來做研商那專家學者其實提供了不管是專法或者是專章或者是比較小幅的修法各種優缺的意見所以你們現在還沒有訂件我現在只是開放太久那你預計修法什麼時候要送到立法院來我一樣要求的是期程你們還要多久時間期程 |
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我們上次跟委員會報告是我們這個預告進行然後我們會送行政院是一個 送立法院一個下個會期會來做進行下個會期是要等到明年了對明年什麼時候下個會期二月份一開一就會送進來 |
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那個跟委員報告其實確實要做職場霸凌的法制化這確實是蠻多專業性的問題那我們也在參考目前國際上面法制相關的案例那如果要動的條件特別多的話 當然知道 任何事情都要有目標要有期程要有具體的進度我們要求的是這個不可以遙遙無期啊當然我們絕對不會遙遙無期那就是下個會期一定要送進來我們希望對二月份對二月份我們希望下個會期能夠送進來好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
800.587 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
800.667 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
謝謝王委員 謝謝部長 |
| IVOD_ID |
157744 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157744 |
| 日期 |
2024-12-04 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-26-12 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
12 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-12-04T09:24:23+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-12-04T09:37:45+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |