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| 委員名稱 |
沈發惠 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:51:56 - 10:12:44 |
| 影片長度 |
1248 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-12-03T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第2會期第1次全院委員會（事由：總統咨，為考試院第十三屆院長、副院長及考試委員任期於113年8月31日屆滿，茲依據憲法增修條文第6條第2項規定，提名周弘憲為考試院第十四屆院長，許舒翔為考試院第十四屆副院長，邱文彥、鄧家基、王秀紅、呂秋慧、柯麗鈴、黃東益、伊萬．納威Iwan Nawi 7位為考試院第十四屆考試委員，咨請同意案。） |
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好 院長我們請被提名人王教授麻煩再請王教授請備詢選委員好王教授早辛苦了這個因為這個我們考試院是我們國家重要的人力資源部門負責這個世財世索、玄賢、雲能 |
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及其中考試委員身具重要性許多帶新格的事項要如何持續推動提升國家人力資源的素質優化文官人才創新都需要有賴未來考試委員的專業相輔相成確保我國文官體制的永續發展 |
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那這個我非常在過去長期非常對於我們的這個王教授過去長期對於這個不管在學術界或實務界相關的貢獻我們非常的關注而且也非常高度的肯定這個王教授過去曾經任職這個高雄醫學大學的副校長那也是深具醫護專業領域的專家 |
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學術圈跟醫護的這個實務界這40年來長期王教授長期投入我們護理教育學術研究衛生行政跟國際甚至到國際事務那這個在疫情期間我們國家更接駐這個王教授的專業讓臺灣以護理專業推動務實外交在臺灣護理學這個學會的理事長身份曾經出這個代表臺灣 |
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我們作為WHO的代表向國際分享我們臺灣的防疫經驗等等這些經歷我想這個我們在從過去到現在我相信各界都給予王教授高度的肯定那這個更難能可貴的是在2004年到2008年那個是本席在第六屆立委的任內那時候王教授擔任由我們國家來 |
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藉調黃教授到行政院衛生署 擔任政務副署長在這個政務副署長任內 黃教授也推動包括護理人力、婦女健康政策、食品安全甚至最重要是大力推動我們臺灣的專業護理師的考試到現在我國已經有14000多位專科護理師跟醫師來協同合作來共同照顧病人 |
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那今天我們是第十四屆的這個這個考試委員的提名審查那因為王教授過去也擔任第十三屆的考試委員可以說是這個是並不是新人那所以我們就也就針對這個在過去這四年的這個考試這個王教授考試委員的任期間我們的相關的努力 |
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我有看黃教授剛才的自我的介紹以及我看了黃教授的書面有關過去的這些在考試院任內的這些工作包括國家考試的性別平等白皮書完成我們國家文官學院延編性別平等教材在考試院任期期間 |
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這個也就正好遇到了百年大疫適逢疫情這個最重要剛才的幾位委員都提到的這個護理護理人員的這個這個人力需求的缺口 |
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所以你那時候有提出說這個透過這個教考訓的這個平台還有個人專業經驗也協助了尋求這個護理人力的解決方法共商政策確保確保考試如期舉行適時補充護理人力的缺口等等的這些諸多的努力那這樣子的相關的提出過去您所提出的一些看法跟建議一些深知灼見 |
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所以本席有特別的去了解 |
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對於王老師過去的發言跟貢獻對這些問題的看法做了一些整理有一些部分今天利用這個機會來就教於王教授我想這個考試院的最重要兩大職責一個是考選一個是全序這兩個大部分它分別牽涉的兩類最大的對象就是一個是尚未成為公務人員的考生 |
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另外一個部分就是已經成為公務人員他們的相關權益所以大概分成這兩個部分來就教於王教授第一個是有關考生權益的部分第二個是有關公務人員權益的部分 |
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那這個有關第一個部分就有關考生權益的部分我想剛才前面也有委員也在在詢答中也提到了就是說我國這個目前在在這個這個報考這個我們國家考試的報考人數在10年內腰斬腰斬這個到達51%幾乎是一半少了一半那這個 |
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當然現在我們所面對的現在的考生他們跟我們在過去的世代是不一樣現在人稱為Z世代的考生Z世代的考生在這些考生中也有一些相關的挑戰跟因應的策略 |
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當然剛才在這個委員的詢答的這些詢答過程中我們黃教授也有特別提到那大家事實上也知道這個考生人數的大幅下滑他有一個大概就是兩個主要的原因第一個最最關鍵的應該就是少子化這不只是國家考試包括在這個 |
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這個大學大學入學考試等等相關的升學考試裡面也是人數不斷的降低那這個是這是少子化是一個最關鍵的因素第二個因素就是就是這個當然公務人員的目前的這個這個職場這不像過去幾十年前相對於公務人員以外的相關的職業場域的 |
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這些職業環境可能不如公務人員但是現在在我們整個國家的相關勞動法制體制以及相關的這些建構完善之下事實上不管是在公部門或私部門它的相關的這些職業職場領域都的這個差異已經沒有過去像過去公務人員的職場 |
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這個環境比其他的職業、職場環境要好很多現在這樣的差異也降低了所以我想現在公務國家考試的報考人數降低跟公務人員這個職業跟過去的相比 |
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這是一定的趨勢這是一定會發展在少子化以及相關職場這個改善的情況下是一定會發生但是也不可諱言現在因為其他相對於公務人員職場相關的其他的私部門的相關職場的環境 |
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目前的環境的改善跟提升那也使得這個我們必須要更加重視公務人員所處的現在的這樣子的職場環境這個改善的部分這個可能我們這個在未來我們在後面等一下有關公務人員權益的部分我們會來探討 |
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我認為但是這個有相關組織文化的變革．跟數位化的管理策略．促進公務人員吸引新世代的投入．提升跨世代的協作．這個我想這個應該是一個很重要的議題．這個部分請問王教授你有什麼樣的看法．跟做法建議謝謝委員的提問 |
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Z世代已經是大概是30到35歲左右1990年所以這些Z世代的年輕學者其實是未來公務體系非常重要的 |
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選取的人才所以這個議題大概可以從兩方面來探討第一個就是說考選制度是不是能符合這些Z世代的需求因為Z世代我看也是被暱稱是數位原住民 |
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所以他們的數位能力：或是那個工作態度跟方式：確實是跟我們比較資深的世代是不一樣的：所以我覺得考選的一些政策的改變：比如說我們現在：第13屆考試院的團隊：也在用數位轉型：也只是擴大電腦化的考試那這個是他們： |
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也聽到的他們的需求很大那另外當然有很多的策略比如說多元評量或是多元考試的方式等等就符應這些Z世代的需求這是一個部分剛剛因為提到說現在目前這個考生人數大幅下滑 |
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他的根本原因還是少子化少子化跟工作環境我們作為公部門我們應該要有一個做為友善職場的推動者 |
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甚至應該是要作為施部門的示範者也鼓勵年輕世代的生育希望能夠減緩少子化的趨勢這樣子進一步帶動施部門跟進共同營造有利於工作跟家庭平衡的職場環境 |
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那這些部分其實有這一部分跟這個王教授的在過去在這個職場有關這個性別以及這個相關的這些主題就是王教授關心的部分是不是能請王教授就這個我剛所提的這個部分能夠做一些您的希望能夠推動的政策方向 |
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哪一些還可以再精進的可以再精進其實就是說第十三屆考試院團隊已經做了一些友善的生養環境當然有一些政策比如說聖遷法還有留職停薪等等 |
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那當然委員就提到說可以精進的我覺得政策永遠可以精進事實上我們現在的出生率真的真的非常的低也是國安的問題0.865其實是全世界是倒數第二的所以怎麼樣對年輕世代的 |
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在公務體系的友善的生養環境非常重要比如說我認為當然有些是有困難但是我覺得可以研議就是有一些先進的國家他已經有part-time就是說非全職的工作那當然這個會跟退休老婦婿有關但是我覺得可以有一些的規範比如說6歲以下的小孩那另外呢我聽到的很多的年輕世代的人他們就認為 |
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其實生一個小孩他們付出的而且是在養的那段時間他們找不到人照顧因為我們現在的家庭的結構是很大的變化家庭結構根本沒有叫做所謂的家庭支持系統所以國家怎麼樣來協助像說公托或是等等這些我想還很多可以精進的地方 |
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另外一個也是有關考生權益的部分無論是公務人員或是專技人員的這些考試事實上都有專業科目的測驗來確保及格者能夠具備職場上的專業支持這當然是考試的主要目的但是網路上經常有人批評說我們現在的 |
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這個考題過於冷闢這個可能是過度而且有第一個是過於冷闢第二可能過度偏重實務就這個尚未踏入實務的這些這些考生來講他會這個會有所困會非常困難 |
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怎麼樣平衡跟取捨各類的測驗我們可能是不是因為考試行之多年為了避免題目的重複等等所以就越走題目越走越冷闢那這樣子要怎麼樣來避免考試這個試題越來越趨冷闢這個部分這個王教授不知道怎麼樣看吧 |
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謝謝委員的提問確實我們也聽到尤其是我跟醫事人員比較接近就是說一些護理人員或是醫師的考試確實有感覺有一些比較冷僻、艱深那有一些可能比較他應該是進到職場之後再訓練的比如說專科醫師、專科護理師但是也出現在命題裡面 |
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所以我覺得未來考試院考選部其實可以用已經也在進行當中就是題目的這個難易度或是題庫的增加因為我們的考試就是都是會上網的那考選部的有一些規則就是說相似題 |
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941.189 |
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不能出或是百分比非常低那這樣就變成命題的老師呢就是越出越艱深或是找不到那個對這個問題呢其實確實應該未來要好好的來檢討如果王教授有機會繼續擔任考試委員我希望這些相關的問題王教授能夠繼續付出努力 |
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另外再來第二部分我剛提到有關公務人員的部分因為事實上本席在那時候院會在這邊總質詢的時候我也提到像現在這個在整個亞洲的競爭環境當中我們現在目前政府希望推動這個亞太資產管理中心我那時候有建議金管會他們對於相關外資的引進比照像現在日本他們就做這種整個一夜市一站式的這個服務就是事實上外資他從進來 |
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所有的這個包括表格、公文、申請程序、流程全部都是英語環境這直接是全英語環境那這個一直到他最後整個通過所有的程序都是英語程序所以我們怎麼但是我們現在台灣我希望說台灣也能夠做這樣相關的比照這樣來進行你在亞洲才有競爭力但是目前的公務人員的英文 |
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1016.51 |
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的這個英文能力的提升這個是我個人非常關心的這部分王教授不知道什麼樣的建議謝謝委員我覺得這個真的是非常重要就是說在考試院的立場我覺得就是從考選開始因為我們考選就是可以 |
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選取英文能力比較好的比如說涉外事務比較強的一些類科那個外交人員那個外事警察等等這一方面可以從英文檢定因為第一個能力就是他已經準備了英文檢定變成是資格考然後英文口試的佔比或是命題等等逐步啦因為有一些因為你剛剛所講的這些都是相關特定領域的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
例如說我們所希望做的相關對外的這些金融商業等等這些相關的類科現在可能都沒有這樣子的相關的能力那當然就是說這個是第一步選起來的就是會比較英文能力強的因為英文能力其實是長期的很難就是一下子培訓他英文能力就很好那但是呢這些及格的人員錄取的人員的培訓是在保訓會 |
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| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
保訓可以用多重方式因為現在很多大學都已經在EMI全英文授課我覺得未來培訓 |
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國家文官學院可以培訓未來朝向這一方面就是說能夠用全英文的提升他們的國際觀跟國際交流的能力這個部分英文能力是一個另外就是有關於AI的能力 |
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1138.149 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
有關AI的相關因為這個人工智慧的發展快速運用未來事實上這個AI應該在我們目前公務學期裡面納入這個當前的重大政策裡面那這個我們好像國家文官學院也有針對高普考的基礎訓練開訓所以我是希望說剛剛講的英文能力AI等等這些相關公務人員的這些能力包括在考選的過程以及在這個公務人員執訓的部分我們能夠 |
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來做加強最後一點點時間我想我個人有關心另外一個問題是有關於公務人員的身心調適假的問題這個部分王教授有什麼樣專業上面的看法 |
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我想因為我過去也長時間就是在參加一些國際的相關會議比如說世界衛生組織那其實世界衛生組織已經近年來已經非常強調就是希望他的會員國都要注意民眾的就是要注意民眾的就是心理健康因為心理健康呢 |
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影響的當然未來的一些身心健康的所以我本人認為就是說這是一個很正向的一個就是政策當然這個政策應該跟衛福部應該有配套規範然後跟衛福部那個考試院應該跟衛福部還有人總一起來就是研擬一個相關的規範 |
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這個部分請王教授如果未來有機會繼續擔任考試委員希望王教授能夠在這方面來進行努力所以我們來推動這公務人員的身心 |
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這個身心調適假但是又要我們也同時要避免他所發生的一些負面的狀況例如說公務員因為請身心調適假被標籤化等等相關的這些這些負面的配套這部分如果王教授有機會獲得這個立法院同意繼續擔任考試委員我希望王教授能夠在這個部分繼續為國家來努力好不好謝謝審發會委員的質詢也謝謝王秀紅教授的備取休息十分鐘 |
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好 謝謝 |
| IVOD_ID |
157720 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157720 |
| 日期 |
2024-12-03 |
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| 開始時間 |
2024-12-03T09:51:56+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-12-03T10:12:44+08:00 |
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