| IVOD_ID |
157710 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157710 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-29 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-29T17:45:13+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-29T18:02:34+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:17:21 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/884fcb4bd77b70638e425364b633189d4bb3245ee31dfdd073576e907e000b614081f7d117a098d95ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳瑩 |
| 委員發言時間 |
17:45:13 - 18:02:34 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-11-29T14:30:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第2會期第1次全院委員會（事由：總統咨，為考試院第十三屆院長、副院長及考試委員任期於113年8月31日屆滿，茲依據憲法增修條文第6條第2項規定，提名周弘憲為考試院第十四屆院長，許舒翔為考試院第十四屆副院長，邱文彥、鄧家基、王秀紅、呂秋慧、柯麗鈴、黃東益、伊萬．納威Iwan Nawi 7位為考試院第十四屆考試委員，咨請同意案。） |
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謝主席麻煩請被提名人鄧家基先生再請鄧被提名人答詢委員好您好我想就從善如流稱您鄧老師因為未來我也要跟您請教很多環保的問題是 |
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在上個禮拜考試委員的公聽會國民黨跟民眾黨推薦的學者對您的批評是相當毫不留情的就像民眾黨推薦學者的發言當中考試委員很多是政治任命但是必須可以做好國家考試的相關工作您覺得您可以勝任這份工作嗎我覺得 |
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應該會全力以赴過去我有公務人員從事的經驗在這些方面我想未來如果有機會在文官體系來講的話我應該可以提供一些意見至於您剛提到政黨提名我個人是把它當作是榮譽如果有機會我們一定全力承擔做最好的奉獻 |
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不會有其他的一些顧慮謝謝我也拜讀您的經歷我相信以您的資歷還有這個公益的精神熱心公益的精神我想應該是可以聲認是沒有問題的您跟柯文哲的關係不言而喻柯文哲在競選總統時您也是全國競總的主任委員如果有人說 |
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柯文哲以臺灣第三政黨的主席推薦您擔任考試委員是酬庸的話您同意這樣的講法嗎其實柯主席從來沒有想到要對我有任何酬庸就是說我們當時後來柯主席也非常了解就是說我是文官訓練出身的公務員然後後來有機會擔任政務官包括副市長我們所重奉的在職的觀念就是盡忠職守 |
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很傳統所以我也跟柯市長不斷的報告就是說為人謀而不忠乎今天有幸當柯市長的副手我們就是以忠誠把事情做好我也交代所有的我帶過的同仁都以這個原則而不做其他方面的考試 |
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我想因為過去我不認識您我對您也沒有任何的成見或偏見那我也剛剛也說了拜讀您的經歷那我想如果有人說這是仇庸的話我也會反對他的意見是 謝謝 |
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但是我想要請教您一件事您知不知道原民會有一個職務大家稱作為族群委員那他是以聘用的方式聘任任期跟原民會主委是同進退的那人選是由原民會主委提請行政院院長聘任 |
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他的任務是協助原民會推動業務這一屆的族群委員當中大家都是從事原住民族事務工作相當多年的非常優秀的人選其中有一位他不只擔任過去地方民代、中央民代的助理很多年過去在原民會也待過三年在地方縣府待過九年 |
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加起來他從事原住民整個的工作全部加起來是超過30年的所以我想比照您這樣子的經歷去比較的話您覺得這樣子的人才他適不適合來擔任協助原民會主委去處理這個族群的事務謝謝委員就是說在整個公務系統它包含了 |
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政務人員跟公務人員文官系統我個人還是一直強調也認為有能力有經驗他願意為國家社會人民服務都應該值得鼓勵也都應該來絕對的尊重這樣的話對整個政府的效能運作提升才會有幫助 |
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我想剛剛我前面敘述的也具備這樣的特質所以也謝謝您的肯定但是因為民眾黨推薦您不能算是酬庸但是我們推薦了對於30年原住民失誤工作經歷的原住民擔任原民會族群委員就叫做酬庸我想這個是相當不公平我相信您也會認為這是不合理的結論 |
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那希望有機會可以跟這個推薦您的民眾黨好好說一說不要繼續用這個非我族類的心態讓人家只會覺得說所有的事情這個政黨好像都是為反對而反對那我再繼續請教就是因為這個聘任的這個族群委員呢他的任期是與這個圓明會主委同進退的 |
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那麼他們有簽約我剛剛上台之前我又再跟園民會確認過有簽約有聘書而且這個合約是很明確的訂定就是與主委同進退但是很不幸的在立法院突然修法那也表決 |
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就是提出這個修法就是要把它改成無極值那這些人大概上任不到兩個月的時間我想要請教一下您對這樣子修法的看法 |
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報告委員就是說有機會的話我一定更深入來了解那麼如果說有考試院的相關業務可以來協助我們一定全力來做如果未來能夠到考試院的話這點我們絕對的尊重是 |
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我想我要請教的是說在我想他們是進來為政府做事情那也是做族群事務的事情那麼在突然遇到立法院這樣的修法他們又有簽約那麼這個在這樣子的一個情況下 |
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大家把工作辭了然後來接受這樣子的一個任命但是卻又突然的修法修掉了那您覺得這樣子的這樣子的比較粗暴的這樣子的修法然後造成這樣子的結果是樂見的嗎 |
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個人同意的嗎就是說如果有機會的話我一定深入的來了解再聽聽看大家綜合討論的一個狀況最關鍵的就是說未來如果有機會跟考試院業務有關的部分我想我們一定全力以赴 |
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好 謝謝你那另外是這樣在臺灣新故鄉這個智庫協會臺灣新故鄉智庫協會依照媒體的報導它就像是民眾黨的智庫在柯文哲主席涉貪案件當中這個協會的秘書長蘇敬強被約談那這個協會的監事葛樹仁也被媒體報導那他其實 |
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是威京集團旗下中華工程的獨立董事這個協會的顧問孫鳳群也有在這個案件當中被列為貪污的被告依照您提供的個人簡歷當中您也是臺灣新故鄉智庫協會的常務監事而且是從112年擔任到現在您還覺得還適合繼續再擔任這個協會的常務監事嗎 |
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總委員報告就是說未來如果有機會的話按照這個相關的規則考試委員應該超出黨派依據法律獨立行使職權是所以您現在目前還是這個協會的成員是好那所以如果順利當選通過我們審核通過之後呢那這個您就會請辭是嗎會獨立行使職權是 |
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好 謝謝那我希望就是說這個我想我問這樣的問題也沒有有沒有不好的這個特別的惡意那您按照這個藉著這個機會來說明表態我想也給予您肯定 |
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那另外我們再回到原住民的問題因為我謝謝您回答前面兩個問題那比較尖銳的一些意識形態問題我就拿掉了那我們就針對原住民的問題我們來好好討論 |
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原住民特考因為原住民家庭的經濟狀況如果與全體國人比較原住民家庭經濟狀況相對弱勢所以報考公職常常會是原住民比較希望改善家庭經濟狀況的優先選擇 |
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剛剛前面也有委員垂詢到高普考錄取不足額的情況越來越嚴重我相信您也有注意到這個問題但是我們也看一下特別整理的這個表我們的這個錄取不足額的情況 |
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現在是更嚴重了藍色的部分是高普考黃色的部分是原住民特考那以去年來說高普考錄取不足額的比例大概5%那原住民特考錄取不足額的比例卻高達46.3% |
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所以原住民特考錄取不足額的比例是高普考的九倍相當高或許有人講說因為原住民特考人數比較少但錄取不足額的這個趨勢它的確是存在的 |
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那以這個去年為例：各用人機關在原住民特考：提出的這個緣額需求是175人：最後順利分發的只有94人：而且每年報考人數都有上千人：但最後分發卻不到一半那剛剛前面有委員問說您覺得問題出在哪裡我很仔細的聆聽您說這個問題是出在您認為是出在這個足語的認證的考試是嗎 |
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足以認證以後人數有減少是吧那您有參考過實際竊竊竊竊這個通過的人數嗎比例上有就是您剛剛提的就是說像去年這個整個三等四等大概錄取到100名是吧 |
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我想是這樣建議這個人數上我們可以因為畢竟我剛剛也跟原民會確認過足以通過率這個足以認證的通過率其實是還蠻高的那其實實際的問題可能也不是您的問題也不是其他考試委員問題因為我們原住民確實沒有在原鄉沒有特殊的補習的管道這個落差是很大的我在這邊 |
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也特別跟您分享這樣的問題那我想特別在這裡提出來就是說未來當您順利擔任這個考試委員之後呢能否協助原住民這個在特考考試類科是否能夠把它擴大 |
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畢竟我們現在看到的就是大部分大概都是一般行政一般基層的公務人員但是我們對於外交、體育外交當然很多的南島語系國家我們的外交官到外面去約他們國會議員都約不到我去一天都約到了 |
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所以還有這個體育現在這一次的這個棒球裡面超過一半每一場下場的超過一半都是原住民還有我們的民族藝術、音樂、文化等等我想這一類的這個科別是不是可以再擴大是 |
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我看您有記筆記這個應該是重要的事項吧未來如果有機會的話委員的意見我們一定會來跟這個相關的單位來做參考您剛才提到的就是類科以現在來講40多項類科如果還有新增的話還是一樣就是說用人機關如果說有特殊的需求按照我們現在的考試規則他都可以按照這個新增類科的這個相關的辦法來做這樣的一個研究 |
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無謂的拒絕這第一個第二個就是說您提到像相關的這些外交、體育如果這些部分我們未來有機會的話一定會請相關的單位跟這些用人的機關來做商量就是說針對原住民朋友任公職的權益怎麼來做擴大或保障 |
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好 謝謝您那麼最後一個問題我想要請教的就是有關於警察特考的部分警察的工作相當的辛苦還有危險原住民從事警察工作的比例是相對是比較高的因為目前我們原住民占臺灣的總人口數大約在2.6%左右但是在警察當中是原住民的比例 |
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卻是已經超過3%我們原住民一直都希望是不是可以在原住民特考的項目當中呢增設一般警察人員的項目可是呢不管是在行政或立法討論已經非常久了到現在都一直沒有下文如果您擔任考試委員您覺得原住民特考是不是應該可以增設一般警察人員的項目 |
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我剛剛跟委員也報告就是說徵社的部分還是要用人機關他有這樣的需求主動提出來那如果說將來有機會進到考試院的話我們相關單位我能夠跟他來做溝通的就在這一點就是說如果沒有提出來我們主動跟用人機關來商議是不是可以需要這樣的一般警察人員的項目像在近年在各地的這個 |
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監製副院長、副院長及副院長及副院長及副院長及副院長 |
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有需要原住民的警察因為在跟當地原住民溝通其實在文化上的隔閡在語言上的隔閡確實有很大的困擾 |
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在座談的過程當中確實大家有表達對於原住民警察的需求所以我也當然未來如果您有這樣子的一個想法我想非常好那如果一直沒有辦法順利推動原住民特考增設警察的項目我想在這個法定的規定上一直 |
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也是有存在這個漢格的問題所以我們希望未來可以一起努力來協調那最後一點時間我們講一些比較輕鬆的事情那麼因為這一次呢我們其實在所有的考試委員當中呢只有一位是原住民那麼我們在黨團登記的時候我坦白說我是抽籤抽到您的 |
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那大家問我說要不要換換去問原住民的這個考試委員的候選人我說不要那因為我想透過這樣子的質詢那我準備多一點跟原住民相關的這個議題也可以藉這個機會提醒您還有其他非原住民的考試委員我想 |
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主席主席 |