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| 委員名稱 |
楊瓊瓔 |
| 委員發言時間 |
16:01:45 - 16:22:07 |
| 影片長度 |
1222 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-11-29T14:30:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第2會期第1次全院委員會（事由：總統咨，為考試院第十三屆院長、副院長及考試委員任期於113年8月31日屆滿，茲依據憲法增修條文第6條第2項規定，提名周弘憲為考試院第十四屆院長，許舒翔為考試院第十四屆副院長，邱文彥、鄧家基、王秀紅、呂秋慧、柯麗鈴、黃東益、伊萬．納威Iwan Nawi 7位為考試院第十四屆考試委員，咨請同意案。） |
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謝謝院會主席、江副院長、被提名者以及新聞界的朋友、各位同仁、楊卿瑩發言首先邀請提名者請求被提名人 |
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首先我們來針對於職場霸凌的防治機制我們來做討論因為你也是在環保方面海洋方面非常的專精那同時也擔任過我們的部分區的這個立委 |
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所以在民意跟專業領域當面都有加成的作用但是你現在是被提名為考試委員所以也針對於在職場霸凌的這個部分我認為必須要首一的課題來跟你一起討論 |
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所以你認為現行的公務體系是不是它能夠有效的來防止職場霸凌在目前的機制那麼未來你認為還有什麼樣的建言什麼樣的相關規範可以來協助讓這個職場能夠更加的友善更加的安全那同時 |
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也希望你提出要怎麼樣保障受害者的權益還有如果萬一發生的時候應當要有怎麼樣的管道來做處理請做說明 |
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謝謝委員隨選我想這個發生霸凌事件那顯然就是我們的機制有所不足這是令人心痛的一件事情但是以考試院來說當然我們有公務人員的保障法 |
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Iwan NawiIwan Nawi |
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人事行政總署、相關部會都有霸凌防治的建議作為、標準程序、處理要點、處置作業的辦法等等其實辦法是蠻多的只是感覺上可以做一個更好的統整 |
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Iwan Nawi |
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讓職場的人員有所安全感尤其在公職方面所以你也誠懇地回答出是有改善跟討論的一個空間我們也希望也就是如果設置一個獨立的申訴機制你認為有沒有這個必要性 |
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這個獨立的機制事實上依照我們現在的現行機制比如說我們這個保障法裡面我們可以透過一個程序比如說附診、申訴、代申訴但是在體制內或者體制外是不是還要一個考量我想今天應該是戴總統也有提到 |
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就是將來是不是在院級有一個專責的通報系統類似這個當然這個部分還是一個初步的構想我想我們還是需要來討論一下看看用什麼樣的方式避免所謂的關關相護或者是他的下情不能上達的情況所以我想這個制度的建立需要更審慎一點但是就應了您剛剛所說的也就是避免關關相護 |
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我希望能夠好好地去探討 |
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這個制度怎麼樣讓它更完整那你應該認同這樣的一個方向吧認同因為國內其實各機關的這個機能能夠發揮充分發揮是非常重要全國有將近7000個行政機關有這麼多的機關這個部分其實是應該各自扮演好的角色但是那個總體的機制怎麼樣建立這是大家應該共同思考 |
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7000多個機關的確必須要好好的去整治那尤其最近沸沸揚揚這些事件我想這不是一個有違的政府民主政治裡頭政府應該會有產生這樣的現象這是不應當的而且是全民撻伐的所以我們既然有這個共識我們繼續來討論也就是針對在基層的公務人員的特別保護在基層的這一環 |
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因為基層人員他因為職位相對的一個弱勢那他很容易去成為職場的被霸凌的這個受害者在這樣的情況之下你認為在保護基層人員方面也是不是應該 |
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要讓他有怎麼樣申訴的管道讓他有可以敢講出來而且沒有官官相護而且沒有七上滿下的這個情況是不是應該要設置特別的這個措施來針對於基層的公務人員這些比較相對弱勢者請做說明 |
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是的,我想過去行政院這邊也有希望各個機關訂定員工協助方案包括他的心理諮商、意見抒發等等事實上我們辦法好像是蠻多的方案也有,所以這個到底績效如何我覺得這應該是要做這個機會要做一個重體的檢討 |
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至於說過去考試院這邊訂定公務人員的安全保衛生防護辦法基本上它是比較因為過去訂定的時候考量的問題可能比較單純一點 |
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主席主席主席 |
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學生在學校有授課權那最重要的不只是自有知識而且要保護他們的身心健康這一點非常的重要那所以因此在我們整個公務人員的基層這個最基層的公教的這一塊本身也希望能夠好好的去琢磨讓他們不是成為是弱勢者不是成為最容易被霸凌者我們應該好好的保護他們讓他發揮所長對不對是的 |
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超越黨派的具體實踐考試委員的職責應該要超越黨派 |
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所以我本需要請教在你行使這個職權當中你要怎麼樣維持中立避免政黨的影響你是不是有什麼樣的具體思維跟做法我想任何一個公務員要維持這個中立 |
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因為公務人員有行政中立法所以它裡面有相當多的規定跟政黨之間的互動關係應該保持上什麼樣的分際這裡面有相當的規範所以我想一般來談對於行政中立法的落實、遵守其實非常重要但另外一方面以個人來講我沒有什麼太明顯的政治色彩 |
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因為我覺得我們學海洋的人你看到海洋有藍有綠其實是跟你的水的深度、地形、光線的擇色有關係但是你把海水撈起來是沒有顏色的所以我一向秉持的觀念就是國家的事務其實是大家的事務不應該有任何黨派的思維但是黨派的政黨的一個想法可能有它的理想我們應該要尊重 |
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這個回答是平穩的回答但是我們的社會面向覺得歪樓的還是有所以本席會特別提出雖然我們有行政中立法但是重點是在能不能落實之 |
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所以本席也希望就誠如你所說的這一個考試委員是要超越黨派為國家做事那所以本席要跟你討論一個實質上的問題您接受提名的理由是什麼呢因為也有人質疑你在黨內你現在還是國民黨的身份吧 |
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在黨內並沒有依照黨章事先來報備但是你的提名似乎是跟你自己的學術專業背景或者是你的個人價值觀是不是有更深超越黨派的一個契合所以本席願意讓你說明你接受提名的關鍵考量是什麼呢 |
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關鍵考量就是希望因為我曾經在政府機關服務過也在立法機關服務過我認為我們從事公職應該就是要朝頭黨派為全國民眾服務但是這個事情的申請或者是辦理其實我是依照 |
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總統府秘書長在3月5日他行文給全國150所的大學院校他提出來希望是廣徵各方的人才所以我非常單純的就是從這個管道當時我並不清楚說有什麼政黨推薦的要經過黨章的規定我完全不知道 |
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我的理想非常的簡單就是依照憲法88條的規定操脫黨派之外獨立行使職權所以這個部分完全沒有想過怎麼樣去要通過黨的規定或者是說他的推薦但是在我離開因為記者會一結束我立刻聯絡了黃建廷秘書長 |
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然後因為我知道我作為一個黨員我當然碰到這事情一定要向黨中央報告所以我在第一時間1點鐘的時候我就跟他聯繫3點鐘的時候獲得他的回答那要我在 |
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Iwan Nawi為考試院第十四屆院長．許舒翔為考試院第十四屆院長．邱文彥、Iwan NawiIwan Nawi |
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我從小年輕作為一個公務人員﹐我也知道有一些經驗﹐我能不能把這個經驗傳承﹐甚至能夠協助政府的建立﹐讓我們的文官制度能夠獲得更好的鞏固﹐甚至保障我們的公務人員的權益﹐基本上是想得非常單純﹐ |
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這麼多時間願意讓你說明也就是外面的質疑當然你現在的回答是說因為你不知道有這些黨章的規定所以你也不是不禮貌本席可以如此解讀嗎是那所以呢本席還是要再請教您接受提名的關鍵考量除了你剛剛說的從3月份開始這個徵詢 |
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一直到最後你決定接受最重要的關鍵考量到底是什麼 |
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事實上這個整個審見的作業是到最後的時候我們才知道因為我們都不清楚這個過程當中到底你有沒有被提名所以直到他真正公佈的時候我才知道還有其他人哪些人所以這些的委員我還是提名因為公佈之後你就知道你有沒有被提名所以本席要請教當你 |
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公布要被提名了那你同意或者不同意的時候你的關鍵選擇了同意那你的最關鍵的考量到底是什麼最關鍵的考量還是希望說我們在海洋跟環境方面的領域能夠繼續進行下去來做進一步的人才的培育比如說海洋跟什麼呢海洋跟環境 |
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海洋跟環境就你的本專專業的部分因為我發現在這個部分比如說委員非常關心像永續發展的部分像國土計畫那比如說未來的這個都市計畫基石估價石還有這個地震室是不是在這個部分他在國土計畫上面這個 |
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Iwan NawiIwan NawiIwan Nawi |
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因為現在的考試委員只有7個人所以其實是領域就缺了我們這個部分我們一直聲稱我們是一個海洋的國家是一個環保立國或是立憲的這個理念就像委員對這個中火的這個關心等等都是環境問題非常的重要但是要有人幫他去思考讓到我們的人才的培育選拔的時候能夠真正適合台灣 |
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國土計劃法 |
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委員會主席 |
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他公告的時間是到明年的4月份要執行本席也提案希望能夠延後兩年就是在整個相關的配套必須要完整才上路讓我們所有的基層大家都能夠安心這是目前的氛圍我相信你剛才提到這個也看到目前社會的面向的一個需求所以本席也希望能夠提供真正有所改革 |
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有所需求去結合社會的需要以及達到國家最高的利益這是非常重要的一環所以接下來本期要請教在我們考試院在政府的體系當中我們這些的職長跟功能那對於考試院在政府體系的功能 |
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大家似乎現在覺得說這考試院到底是在幹什麼甚至還有說考試院到底要廢不廢還有這個聲音出來當一個機關如果被討論到存廢的問題那這個政府是真的要大大的改革 |
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大大的檢討所以在這樣的情況之下本席要請教我們考試院的功能建議因為現在已經有提到存廢問題考試院的功能建議就你的看法你有什麼樣的建議 |
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考試院是最重要的一個憲政機關也就是當時是依照我們孫中山先生的一個理想提出來所以當時會把考試院單獨拉出來是希望不要私自用人變成濫用人才濫用自己的人才是希望達到公平正義的一個角度才會有五院的這個想法特別是考試院獨立出來 |
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當然現在有些的業務比如說人事行政總署等等它也有負擔一部分的訓練在職訓練的部分但是我們還是認為說在現在的體制之下現在的憲政體制之下除非是修憲修憲當然我們就到最後看社會的共識跟國會的一個決定對你本身的看法呢 |
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我本身的看法我是認為說不管將來的這個考試院他是併不併或者是廢不廢其實非常重要的我們看國外的一個例子就是人事人才的這個選拔必須具有獨立性 |
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要不要獨立選否則的話就是濫用私人那我覺得這個部分還是要當然另外一方面我們人才的選拔必須要有品質所以這個合格的一個人員到底怎麼領選考試的辦法是怎麼樣也有跟用人機關之間的關係又是怎麼樣這些都是要通盤的考慮所以我對廢不廢的考試院我其實我完全尊重國會的這個決定假設最後是完全尊重什麼 |
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國會最後的這個決定因為這涉及到修憲但是我基本上我還是認為說考試院還是要盡可能維持他的人事權的獨立還好你最後補上這一句話不然真的會讓我嚇一跳 |
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因為你今天是被提名的考試委員那麼對於我們整個人才的一個培訓全世界最重要的也就是人才的培訓這是無上的一個職產所以我們仍舊希望讓我們我們台灣人每一位都是非常的有能力而且以往考上了公家可以說是整天在籌碼做 |
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1198.932 |
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是整個家族之光啊但是我真就非常的希望一個有為的政府如果人民是信賴公務人員這個國家才能夠成長但是現在的氛圍不盡然所以我非常的希望讓我們的公務人員恢復我們的榮耀恢復我們友善的職場讓他們能夠盡情的揮灑盡情的去發揮這個國家才能夠成長 |
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1206.378 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
1206.738 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
謝謝委員指教 |
| IVOD_ID |
157706 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157706 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-29 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-29T16:01:45+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-29T16:22:07+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |