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| 委員名稱 |
王鴻薇 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:35:53 - 11:47:45 |
| 影片長度 |
712 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-11-27T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期財政、經濟委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：審查中華民國113年度中央政府總預算追加預算案。（詢答及處理）
【預算提案截止時間：11月26日（二）中午12時】） |
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主席、台電董事長 |
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委員好,處理長,我們這個追加預算,其實你們的程序之前是有一些問題的,因為我們到7月份審計部才會審定稅計剩餘,但是你們在5月就提出追加預算,所以你們搞了一個巧門,所以就是先用舉債的方式, |
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然後等到7月份合併稅計剩餘,你們才用稅計剩餘。請問一下,那麼我們現在這個追加1000億到底有多少是用取債,多少是一用稅計剩餘? |
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因為當初送到院裡頭裡面來的時候我們這個部分是用舉債的那到時候如果我們有稅計剩餘我們就不用舉債也可以直接這樣執行對啊那最後到底是舉債多少稅計剩餘支應多少 |
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目前這個部分一千億的稅基剩餘是有保留,保留要作為追加之用,那如果說將來這個案子在執行的時候,雖然是有列舉債,但是因為有稅基剩餘．對啊,多少嗎,多少啊,我一直在問,我們有保留一千億 |
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所以就是說如果這個追加一千億如果是通過的話那麼全數都是一用稅計剩餘那之前那個舉債的部分呢就不舉債了是不是所以呢你們是先設建再劃法嘛就是反正我已經先要追加了那至於我設計剩餘有沒有核定 |
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王鴻薇議員 |
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主席王鴻薇 |
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在你們的報告裡面,包含台電報告,包含主技術報告,過去都是這樣子,一開頭就說這是因為俄烏戰爭,這個國際的能源價格的標高,但是事實上我們可以看到這個國際石油價格的趨勢圖, |
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在2022年當時惡霧戰爭開打的時候確實當時的能源價格飆高但是事實上在2022年底就開始整個的價格已經往下盪到現在為止事實上也早就回到惡霧戰爭之前的價格 |
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所以你們一直在講我已經講過很多次了你們每次都用惡物戰爭來做你們的幌子其實我們現在台電一個嚴重的虧損是來自於我們發電成本的提高嘛 |
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這個發言成本提高並不是來自於能源價格現在能源價格你可以看到早就回到那個二五戰爭之前反而我們每一次再說我們的成本提高或者是我們的電價調整來我們看下一個圖這個過去在那個總諮詢的時候我也提過我們每一次在提高價格的時候提高電價的時候都來自於我們核電廠的廚藝 |
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你可以看到嘛（從2022年2021��2021年7月（黃二長一號機退役（然後開始（國內的電價就一直往上升了（ |
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所以你們今天一直在用所謂的國際能源價格提高這是一種擋箭牌這是一個煙霧彈其實就是因為我們讓核電廠除役而造成的所以這也就為什麼我們一直沒有辦法到現在沒有辦法說服我們要繼續讓你們追加然後明年還要用公務預算繼續的去彌補今年事實上我們好幾次都已經告訴你們了 |
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這幾年,我們包含之前的增資﹖去年增資﹖去年的撥補﹖一直到今年的增資﹖今年增資也完成了﹖現在是要追加﹖ |
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按照你們現在的一個估計起碼5000億到明年到明年這個公務預算要5000億那麼你們經濟部長也說不會再那個什麼就是還是會虧損在這樣狀況之下臺電會變成一個無底洞所以這就是我們沒有辦法再繼續如果你的 |
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人員政策不做調整因為現在河山廠只剩下最後一個機組了嘛最後一個機組你還要繼續的除役那我們真的沒有辦法去同意你這個包含今年的追加跟明天的撥補預算那請問一下那個董事長我們河山廠現在一號機開始除役請問一下我們的河燃料棒已經開始把它運回去了嗎?運出去了嗎? |
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對,沒錯,我說還沒有用過的 |
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還沒用過的沒有運回去啊也都還沒有運回去因為他本來這樣講我們本來就是依照每一次沖田要多少我們就會買多少好所以你們在荷蘭肉棒的部分現在並沒有運出去我們沒有新的就這樣講我們最後一次最後一次填充燃料就把它給用完了剛剛好因為每次都計算他要用到要填充多少燃料都計算好每一次大修 |
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都會把它計算好放進去你們到現在也沒有再新增加那個購買就是沒有沒用過的燃料棒你們那個二號機組還沒除役啊那個是二號機現在在反應爐裡面 |
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昨天周玉蔻小姐因為做不實的評論跟新聞說 |
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張淑娟小姐涉及當年的所謂的長單事件所以呢周玉蔻小姐已經被判刑一年六個月按照這樣的話她應該要去坐牢但是我們過去台電的這個宣傳的費用 |
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如果看台電宣傳費用過去幾乎年年都會包給放言科技廣告的委刊工作幾乎每一年而且都用限制性招標 |
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其實被外界質疑說這是不是特定供養在特定的媒體所以我想請問一下因為台電還有明年的預算而且你們的宣傳預算很多我不看不知道4000多萬台電的宣傳預算4000多萬所以我想請教董事長有關於周玉蔻小姐現在已經被判刑一年六個月她過去她也被人家 |
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告了很多過去大概都是民事讓他賠償但是這次張淑娟小姐她非常憤怒她告他刑事所以現在已經被判刑請問一下台電未來你們還會去把你們的這些宣傳費去給特定媒體給一個已經被法院判刑的判刑事要坐牢的一個媒體嗎 |
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請回答跟委員報告就是說他基本上這一些合約都是有透過一個採購程序去進行的都限制性招標壓我覺得採購我們只能夠依照採購的過程去做相關的評選我要跟委員報告就是說現在發生的任何狀況都會是評選的一個參考的標準這個事情大概就是如此你提的問題我們的採購對象是一個法人 |
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也不是自然人,我想說這個要跟委員特別發表。好,你們對於放言這什麼樣的是一個透過所謂的公平2018年2019年2020年2021年中間連續4年你們的標案都叫做放言科技廣告委刊工作 |
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標案叫做鳳岩科技廣告委刊工作連續4年每年都在50萬上下從2018年47萬2019年49萬2020年50萬到2021年54萬你看金額都差不多他固定要在這邊跟你領薪水啊這叫做是一個公平的標案 |
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然後到2023年還有所謂的電力科普知識網路推廣一樣啊 49萬啊你每一年都要固定給他50萬欸請問哪一家哪一家媒體會透過你的一個所謂公開的標案每一年都可以跟你台電領50萬你告訴我除了他之外還有誰你告訴我 |
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委員如果需要我們就是所有媒體採購的資料我需要我需要你們這幾年所有媒體採購你們4000多萬怎麼標出去的標給了誰成果是什麼樣我講了這個放鹽嘛每一年耶連續4年然後中間變成那個而且都是放鹽科技我剛講標案就叫放鹽科技的這個委託案 |
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到底哪一個媒體有這麼樣神通廣大,你可不可以告訴我?我就要來看看你們其他的媒體是怎麼樣的,你們標案是什麼樣的形式?因為這些資料基本上審計也會看,大家都會看,就是...是!對啦,是你們台電標完審計也看,一起包庇嘛!這個在媒體根本就是公開的秘密了嘛!台電納稅人是要供養特定媒體嗎? |
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王鴻薇委員 |
| IVOD_ID |
157659 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157659 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-27 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-2-20,19-1 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
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| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期財政、經濟委員會第1次聯席會議 |
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2024-11-27T11:35:53+08:00 |
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2024-11-27T11:47:45+08:00 |
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