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| 委員名稱 |
何欣純 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:36:45 - 12:48:07 |
| 影片長度 |
682 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-11-28T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會第12次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於行政院公共工程委員會單位預算。
二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於國家通訊傳播委員會單位預算。
三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於國家通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播監督管理基金預算。
四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於國家通訊傳播委員會主管有線廣播電視事業發展基金預算。
五、審查113年度中央政府總預算關於國家通訊傳播委員會預算凍結書面報告案計2案。
【第一案至第四案僅進行詢答；委員預算提案於12月16日中午12時前截止收件】） |
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公共工程委員會主委陳主委 |
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委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管 |
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那當然 諸位應該也知道我們2022年3月國防會就公布一個我們2050要邁向這個近鄰的路徑這個我想你應該都看過但是我想要聚焦的還是在於在這個公布之後我當然知道各個部會都啟動了 |
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該修法規的修法規該做什麼樣的措施的就做什麼措施那就是希望能夠達到我們國家2050的淨零路徑這樣子的一個目標我知道工程會在2022的8月也公布了一個公共工程節能減碳減核注意事項及相關的減核表 |
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剛剛蔡奇昌委員在關心生態檢核表我之前也關心過生態檢核表我也曾經提醒公共工程委員會希望能夠讓各機關都能夠落實做好生態檢核表同樣的我們現在為了推動淨零碳排我們又有一個節能減碳檢核表主委你有看過這個檢核表嗎? |
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你應該沒看過啦這個是比較執行細節我知道你一定沒看過啦但是呢在公共工程委員會所訂的這個減碳減核的注意事項裡面有說各個工程計畫中央目的事業主管機關得益工程規模及性質訂定符合機關工程特性之節能減碳減核機制並應設定減碳目標 |
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那以這個為開始我就要請主委是不是好好的來第一個 |
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重新去檢視一下你們內部嚴明現在推動的這個公共工程節能減碳的減核表這第一個我為什麼這麼說呢因為這裡面的很多的條件或者很多的事項都是各個工程基層工程人員或者甚至是包商必須主動的來勾選跟填寫 |
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那同樣的我上次說生態檢核表他有可能我們基層的這個公共工程的承辦人員他可能對生態不懂所以呢他檢核表我可能不是做得很好 |
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現在檢探的檢核表同樣也會碰到這個問題我之前就提醒過了我們現在對各機關在辦理公共工程的這些相關的公務人員也好或者是公共工程界裡面的包商的相關的專業人員也好到底懂不懂什麼叫節能檢探檢探的檢核事項跟這個表格寫的東西到底有沒有如實 |
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誰又有第三方單位來驗證那公共工程委員會有說了算的這樣子的公權力嗎?主委關於檢探的檢核部分我所了解的是目前很多機關的公共工程在預算編列的時候都會按一定比例來這個編制關於碳的盤查 |
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那我想這個就一個起步啦主委這個就是我接下來要跟你探討的嘛可是等一下再回答他那樣你自己再回去檢視一下你的檢探的檢核表你們現行的檢探檢核表第一個沒有數據完全都是文字敘述所以呢跟你講的來我就要給你看對每一個機關確實有依他們自己的這個工程特性有去訂一個參考指引我目前找到的是 |
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農業部的農村發展與水土保持署他在2023的12月有提出來這個參考指引那現在這個參考指引呢他是用水保工程的參考指引裡面是用 |
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你講的經費、數據依照工程經費、工程物價指數和年度的減碳目標算出該工程的碳排上限那都是用錢啦來做這個你說的碳排上限的計算可是問題是,主委這個用錢來算出這樣的碳排計算的方式OK嗎? |
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以公共工程委員會的角度來看OK不OK?碳排的係數水利署已經在著手了那公共工程委員會裡面有各個部會都開始著手了嗎?我目前找到的是水保署水利署現在這個叫水保署水保 |
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水保、水利及水保我剛講是機關機關是水利署做的比較前進一點那目前工程會也參考水利署過去管理碳排氣數的這樣的一個程序那目前只有水保跟水利兩個單位其他都還沒 |
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主委 副主委你講跟委員報告就是目前我們大概今年九月當然是剛剛陳儒主委所講的比較走的比較前面比較完整大概就是經濟部水利署那已經完成這個節能減碳指引大概就是就這加上農業部的水保署就向委員提供資料 |
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那其他的我們今年九月的時候那有邀請相關的部會一起過來那目前我們也給他們大家的任務就是明年要完成公共工程明年底前要完成公共工程簡能簡碳的一個指引 |
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明年年底以前完成我是希望能夠早就早我們會催促大家請大家來因為有做公共工程的部會太多了那還有我們地方的機關呢對不對又更多了是不是如果我們中央沒有做帶頭示範的話那地方政府怎麼會跟呢地方的機關怎麼會跟呢對不對這第一個第二個那所以你剛剛是告訴我們說水保署他的指引目標你也認為OK |
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所以這樣子是可以供各機關參考可以當範本嗎? |
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如果可以當範本的話那基本上是不用到一年到明年年底跟委員報告因為現在比較完整是經濟部的水利署那因為他們起步比較早他好幾年前就開始在進行這件事情所以我是建議啦那我們之後也會看說各部跟委員報告就是給我一點時間我們跟各部會看各部會的報告上來之後其實我們也要去對齊大家的這種基準跟方法然後跟一些計算的標準我現在又要問你了 |
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各部會的計算方法基準通通亂七八糟啦 |
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我們公共工程委員會如何去給他一個基本的跟委員報告齁目前我們就做兩件事情嘛就是那個碳排係數已經大概收集了大概一千一千一百多啦一千一百多另外根據我們原本的管理預算的估算系統會增加碳排的估算會結合起來你們在這一次編明年度的預算裡面我有看到 |
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那就是那個碳排的估算系統建置之後各機關他在比如說他在建置公共建設的時候才有個依據除了預算的估算之外碳排的估算那麼也可以估算主委我是支持的預算我一定會相挺只是我是在提醒就如同生態檢核表之前有人有提出一些疑問我們未來要執行的這個碳 |
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和排的這個檢核表我覺得要 |
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做到位啦我剛剛就點出來了每個部會每個各項的不同的公共工程包括怎麼探盤查怎麼探管理還有探牌的計算方式通通都不一樣啦你剛剛講的說用價錢工程經費用價錢來估算CO2的這個探牌上限那也只是其中的一個方式啊還當然是最方便啦但是最方便是真的嗎 |
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是可信任的嗎?是可靠的數據嗎?剛剛副主委在搖頭欸所以不要便宜行事啊我現在就提醒公共工程委員會要針對這一點你自己要先有依據先有基準先有準則你才能夠去要求各部會各機關嘛 |
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報告關於公共工程的碳排他有前端材料端在生產端基本上不管水泥也好鋼筋也好那一部分他們就會估算說每噸單位單位產品的碳排再來就施工階段施工階段當然現場要盤查後端才是維護管理的部分要減碳對啊所以我是提醒說 |
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既然我們公共工程委員會是在主管公共工程也要邁向2050的淨零碳排的這個路徑那我們就有這個責任要中央帶頭示範要先把一些基準 |
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準則依據先搞定我再提醒我們目前的碳排資料庫要怎麼去整合各部會的這些計算方式還有盤查的方式管理的方式還有 |
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我再提醒一次用工程預算去試算出來的CO2的排放上限這件事到底能不能是一個基準到底是不是可靠的數據我覺得不能因為它方便結果大家都這樣子直接好像 |
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委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播 |
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公共工程委員會單位預算 |
| IVOD_ID |
157651 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157651 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-28 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-23-12 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
12 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期交通委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-28T12:36:45+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-28T12:48:07+08:00 |
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