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| 委員名稱 |
林淑芬 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:56:57 - 12:06:09 |
| 影片長度 |
552 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-11-28T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會第12次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於行政院公共工程委員會單位預算。
二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於國家通訊傳播委員會單位預算。
三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於國家通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播監督管理基金預算。
四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於國家通訊傳播委員會主管有線廣播電視事業發展基金預算。
五、審查113年度中央政府總預算關於國家通訊傳播委員會預算凍結書面報告案計2案。
【第一案至第四案僅進行詢答；委員預算提案於12月16日中午12時前截止收件】） |
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請工程會陳主委 |
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採購申訴委員會的任務是政府跟承包廠商有履約爭域時的調解裁判者 |
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是涉到政府的錢是人民納稅的血和錢跟廠商的利益是公共工程糾紛當中最重要的裁判法庭等於是這樣的位置請問主委 |
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法院審理的時候法庭在開庭的時候你覺得一個負責審判的法官一下子扮演業者的代理人律師的角色一下子站在業者的利益這一邊然後呢一下子又變成法官然後又是履約爭議裁判的法官這種角色然後還會跟其他的法官討論案子怎麼判 |
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像這樣子又是法官又是律師然後負責開庭你可以接受嗎?根委員報告應該不是裁判者他是調解建議的提出者 |
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委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播委員會主管通訊傳播 |
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第二個呢,如果有該迴避的...你覺得這兩種角色可以同時在那裡扮演嗎?我想請副主委跟你回答。不要,我要負責你,不要副主委。我也跟你報告得很清楚,他是一個調解,他並不是裁判。你剛剛講說他有利益迴避,利益迴避的義務,但我問你,孔梵琦委員,這樣子說好了啦齁。 |
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有很多律師職業生涯從來不曾接過有工程會申訴的案件恐律師這三年代理了三十幾件這一年超過十件由此可知你們的恐委員 |
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就是專門打這一種官司你騙他當委員他可以獲得多大的好處然後你說他會利益迴避你有想過其他的委員每個禮拜都要跟他一起開會然後他的案件大家看到了會不會有壓力每次開會都要見面了壓力很大其他委員更不要講你們行政部門業務的承辦人沒有壓力嗎壓力很大 |
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那我再講,你這樣子騙他當申訴委員,你把其他的申訴委員當傻瓜嗎?其他不接這種案子的申訴委員,他們是傻瓜嗎?難道他們不會想說我出去外面我是申訴委員,我出去督攬生意,我若沒有蓋恐犯罪,同樣我就說的? |
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是你鼓勵其他申訴委員大家一起來打這工程會委員的名號直接去工程界招攬生意這樣子你可以接受嗎只要做到表面上的利益迴避你就可以接受了嗎我今天在講恐委員專門打這種官司然後成為申訴委員這個是不關尊敗壞的起點 |
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關爭敗壞的起點。委員這樣指責太對孔委員不公平對工程委員不公平。孔委員我沒有講他我講制度你既是球員又是裁判你既是業者的律師又是法官這個就是關爭敗壞 |
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外外的羞辱到的是你我不是在講孔律師我講的是你他有多少代理多少政府案件不管他自己就是工程爭議的這一些案件的代理人你不要講說他幫政府打多少官司他現在幫有工程爭議到你們委員到你們工程會來申訴的案件 |
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三年三十幾件今年十幾件而這不是一般律師勒他是專門辦這種案件的律師所以有問題的是你不是孔律師是聘他為之這個申訴委員的陳主委你有問題我沒有問題 |
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主席 |
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他這樣子我在講話他這樣干擾我我有叫他回答嗎?審議委員有內部委員會開會的第一手資料透過資訊不對等可以出去販賣這一種不對等的資訊很容易相信業者就會相信說欸這個委員這個律師真的假無告然這樣是誰的損失?調解每一個案子都要政府物價調整的 |
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增加預算的都是民脂民膏你主委讓這種有業者的代理人專門打業者代理人來當審議委員扛人民之愷賺更多政府的錢這樣子你可以接受嗎? |
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為什麼要公開他的姓名是為了民主的問責 |
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你的諮詢委員要參加預審和你參加預審之後還有還領的不是出席費不是車馬費而已你們在最後申訴委員要寫結案書類結果呢你們的諮詢委員預審了然後不用寫結案書類然後你們對於委員申訴委員寫的結案書類是以當事人所繳費用的半數給委員一 |
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議員議員議員議員議員議員 |
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不是這個出席費是結案書類的錢他也可以領又可以預審欸假送喔不用參加不用被公開姓名不用被問責這個才是民主問責的笑話 |
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為什麼要公開?你來跟他諮詢、跟他出席、跟他抽碼配我認為可以不用公開但是他不是,他可以預審還可以領審查書類,他不用寫到後可以再分錢這個不用公開、不用公開這個不是笑話嗎? |
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諮詢委員你說不能公開有人請壓力啊真正在審案只要撤寫結案書類真正有權審查的申訴委員不會有人請壓力嗎?他的人請壓力更大你不要在這裡胡說八道扭曲各執法不要舉著各執法的高旗在這裡為這一些利益爭奪胸到底你能不能接受 |
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不是你個人說了算好我們時間到了主席你這樣子幹嘛呢你已經超過一倍的時間啦我超過一倍的時間這個事情難道不該被討論嗎主席護航不用護航成這個樣子啦我是在護航是啦你就是在護航啦我也不想講了啦我跟你講說整個聲勢委員跟諮詢委員這件事情恐反其委員你看 |
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主席沒有說他﹖時間到了﹖今天針對委員的質詢我們在請工程會我們會後在審慎地進行檢討 |
| IVOD_ID |
157635 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157635 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-28 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-23-12 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
12 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期交通委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-28T11:56:57+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-28T12:06:09+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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