| IVOD_ID |
15762 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/15762 |
| 日期 |
2024-03-27 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-19-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-03-27T08:31:51+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-03-27T11:22:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
02:50:09 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/16eb79f0bb3b77db25f9b1f895064d3b4eb3296cd325b2f43be8d109af184be4a16e31fee1d43d435ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-03-27T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第5次全體委員會議（事由：繼續審查113年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分關於經濟部主管：台灣中油股份有限公司。(處理) 【3月25日及27日二天一次會】） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:31:51 - 11:22:00 |
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依據預算法第50條及相關的規定照業務計畫部分營業收支以及生產成本轉投資計畫重大之建設建設事業資金運用以及補辦預算部分逐項審查現在請宣讀今日審查項目與委員提案宣讀完畢後我們再進行協商請宣讀 |
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1762.082 |
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1773.025 |
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中華民國113年度中央政府總預算案經濟部主管附屬單位預算營業部分台灣中油股份有限公司一、業務計畫請參閱預算書二、營業收支營業總收入一兆2,254億5,561萬6千元營業總支出一兆2,221億7,379萬6千元稅前淨利32億8,182萬元三、生產成本請參閱預算書 |
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1791.031 |
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1794.895 |
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4轉投資計畫收回投資39809000元5重大資建設事業52849932000元6資金運用請參閱預算書7不敗預算固定資產建設改良擴充578797000元委員提案 |
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1812.844 |
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1823.474 |
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第一案產銷營運計畫公安環保及衛生環境保護凍結20%委員張家俊等提案第二案凍結10%委員蔡奕宇等提案第三案凍結10%委員謝一鳳等提案第四案凍結5%委員陳超明等提案 |
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1831.109 |
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1837.212 |
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第5案凍結3%委員賴瑞榮等提案第6案凍結1000萬元委員邱志偉等提案第7案企業營運成本凍結5%委員陳亭飛等提案第8案工業安全檢列500萬元委員陳亭飛等提案 |
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1847.813 |
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1854.079 |
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第9案凍結10%委員蔡易宇等提案第10案凍結10%委員謝一鳳等提案第11案凍結5%委員陳超明等提案第12案凍結3%委員賴瑞榮等提案第13案凍結1000萬元委員張祺凱等提案 |
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1865.189 |
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1877.003 |
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第14案凍結500萬元委員邱志偉等提案第15案研究發展支出凍結10%委員薛一鳳等提案第16案凍結5%委員賴瑞榮等提案第17案營業收入銷售收入銷貨收入增滅25億元委員賴瑞榮等提案 |
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1884.811 |
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1894.001 |
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第18案服務費用檢列2億元凍結5億元委員賴瑞榮等提案第19案水電費檢列2億元委員謝一鳳等提案第20案檢列6000萬元委員張家俊等提案第21案旅運費大陸地區旅費檢列3177000元委員賴瑞榮等提案 |
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1906.141 |
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1920.712 |
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第22案暫除包裝代理及加工費檢列5億元凍結10億元委員賴慮容等提案。第23案專業服務費檢列5000萬元凍結1億元委員賴慮容等提案。第24案營業成本檢列10億元委員張家俊等提案。第25案銷售成本銷貨成本原油運費凍結100萬元委員邱志偉等提案。第26案勞務成本油氣輸出費用服務費用 |
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1935.623 |
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1940.488 |
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動輒兩千萬元委員張其凱等提案。第27案稅捐與規費向下規費動輒10%委員李玉玲等提案。第28案其他營業成本探勘費用 |
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1949.093 |
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1955.635 |
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動輒20億元委員楊瓊英等提案。第29案檢列5億元動輒10億元委員賴瑞榮等提案。第30案檢列2億元委員張家俊等提案。第31案檢列1000萬元動輒1000萬元委員邱志偉等提案。第32案檢列800萬元委員陳亭輝等提案。 |
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1968.44 |
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1975.364 |
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第33案凍結10%委員蕭一鳳等提案,第34案凍結5%委員邱盈盈等提案,第35案服務費用專業服務費凍結20%委員呂玉玲等提案, |
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1981.84 |
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2008.336 |
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第36案凍結5%委員陳超明等提案第37案雜項營業成本服務費用暫除包裝代理及加工費凍結5%委員陳超明等提案第38案營業費用行銷費用服務費用推展費凍結5%委員呂毅林等提案第39案管理費用凍檢列6億元委員楊瓊英等提案第40案檢列2000萬元委員張家俊等提案 |
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2009.016 |
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2027.823 |
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第41案凍結20%委員李玉玲等提案第42案用人費用凍結十分之一委員鄭天才等提案第44案服務費用修理保養與保固費凍結5%委員陳超明等提案第44案稅捐與規費凍結200萬元委員邱志偉等提案第45案其他營業費用研究發展費用凍結10%委員李玉玲等提案 |
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2035.253 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
2047.717 |
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第46案營業外費用利息費用檢列2億元委員張家俊等提案第47案檢列3600萬元委員賴瑞榮等提案第48案凍結100萬元委員邱志偉等提案第49案其他營業外費用雜項費用凍結10億元委員楊瓊英等提案第50案簽件管綫費用凍結1000萬元委員賴瑞榮等提案 |
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2059.341 |
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2064.645 |
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第51案服務費用修理保養與保固費凍結10%委員李玉玲等提案第52案物料存貨檢列1000萬元委員陳廷飛等提案 |
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2069.963 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
2083.366 |
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第53案增加投資凍結5億元委員賴瑞榮等提案第54案中中地區天然氣投資計劃凍結10%委員女玉玲等提案第55案凍結500萬元委員邱志偉等提案第56案固定資產建設改良擴充凍結10%委員蔡依宇等提案第57案凍結10%委員薛一鳳等提案第58案凍結10億元委員賴瑞榮等提案第59案凍結500萬元委員邱志偉等提案 |
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2100.39 |
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2120.183 |
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第60案,專案計劃繼續計劃天然氣事業部第三座液化天然氣接受這案投資計劃,凍結10%委員呂玉玲等提案。第61案,高雄港洲際貨櫃二期大林石化油品儲運中心投資計劃,凍結10億元委員賴瑞榮等提案。第62案,示範級軟碳製成工廠新建投資計劃,減略13億3778萬元委員邱志偉等提案。 |
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2129.807 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
2147.003 |
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第63案天然氣事業部臺中廠崗位擴建四期投資計劃檢列一億四千萬元委員邱志偉等提案第64案天然氣事業部洲際液化天然氣接收站投資計劃凍結一千萬元委員賴瑞榮等提案65案 |
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2148.786 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
2161.453 |
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天然事業部永安製通宵第2條海底輸氣管線投資計劃凍結20%委員張家俊等提案第66案凍結10%委員李玉玲等提案第67案新興計劃煉製事業部大林煉油廠提升關鍵基礎設施韌性投資計劃檢列22298000元委員邱志偉等提案第68案凍結200萬元委員賴瑞榮等提案 |
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2175.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
2203.485 |
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第69案一般建築及設備檢列5%委員丘志偉等提案第70案房屋及建築中油循環技術及材料創新研發專區材料創新研發中心大樓凍結10%委員呂玉玲等提案第71案材料創新研發中心大樓綠能研發第一及第二大樓凍結5%委員丘瑩等提案第72案要求中油公司應於一個月內 |
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2204.189 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
2227.563 |
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函點檢討所屬之地下管線圖資之正確性以及施工前之探勘相關探測之標準處理流程並提出調查報告委員陳亭飛等提案第73案中油預定執行地熱探勘和開發工作請中油公司每季提出進度成效與書面報告委員張祺凱等提案第74案 |
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2228.983 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
2255.924 |
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請中油公司加強對國際能源資源之掌握改善提升油氣探勘成效委員楊瓊英等提案75案請中油公司檢討維護料庫存之合理性並強化物料控管與採購機制並落實定期清查與鑑定作業委員楊瓊英等提案76案請中油公司積極研謀財務結構改善措施落實執行開源節流措施委員楊瓊英等提案 |
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2256.636 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
2282.365 |
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第77案請中油公司密切追蹤中東地區天然氣投資計畫之開發營運狀況及領選進展以確保投資效益之有效達成委員楊瓊英等提案78案請中油公司針對近二年度油輪執行洩油作業之治港比率增高檢討強化傳其調度機制之優化及控管機制委員楊瓊英等提案 |
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2283.041 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
2304.171 |
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七十九案請中油公司於一個月內提出物料庫存管理與控制書面報告委員邱志偉等提案八十案請中油公司於三個月內針對投資離岸風潮預期目標及中油公司恰購再生能源相關規劃提出書面報告委員邱志偉等提案 |
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2305.915 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
2333.329 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
第81案請中油公司針對研擬漁業補償方案建置海水共同給水管線等6項議題每3個月提供執行情況記報確保地方訴求落實委員邱志偉等提案第82案請中油公司於2個月內提出主管人員與非主管人員適用不同單一信奉之變革情形以及未來實施的時間表和計劃書面報告委員邱志偉等提案83案 |
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2335.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
2354.697 |
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要求中油公司應檢討維護料庫存之合理性並改善物料控管與採購機制委員歇一鳳等提案第84案中油公司計畫成立循環技術及材料創新研發專區原要求中油公司按計公佈執行進度委員歇一鳳等提案85案 |
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2356.516 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
2382.053 |
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要求中油公司應注意現貨與長約制配置並利用避險工具分散採購以降低營運成本委員歇一鳳等提案86案中油公司應持續研擬降低企業籌措成本及貸款利息降低公司財務負擔以確保財務結構之健全委員歇一鳳等提案87案中油公司應整體評估財務負擔能力 |
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2383.744 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
2400.932 |
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處理固定資產投資之長期財務規劃以利公司正常投資與健全發展委員先一鳳等提案八十八案請中油公司於3個月內提出相關募領措施檢討規劃書面報告委員陳超明等提案八十九 |
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2401.516 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
2428.742 |
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中油公司應積極研議政府相關補助之可行性財務結構改善措施及落實執行開源節流措施請於三個月內提出相關書面報告委員陳超明等提案九十案高雄港洲際貨櫃二期大零石油大零石化油品儲運中心投資計劃為有效監督本計劃之執行原要求經濟部於兩個月內提出 |
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2429.335 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
2447.248 |
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具體詳細之書面報告委員賴瑞榮等提案91案天然氣事業部週季液化天然氣接受站投資計劃為有效監督本計劃原要求經濟部於兩個月內提出具體詳細之書面報告委員賴瑞榮等提案92案 |
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2449.199 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
2464.155 |
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鏈制事業部大林廠生產0.3超低流燃料油及改質液氫生產中心投資計畫為有效監督本計畫原要求經濟部於2個月內提出具體詳細之書面報告委員賴瑞榮等提案93案 |
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2465.936 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
2489.11 |
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要求中油公司兩個月內提出財務經濟檢討書面報告並以113年度營運轉虧為營為目標委員賴瑞榮等提案94案要求中油公司5G AIoT推動專案辦公室與經濟部相關單位建立合作模式並於三個月內完成新創合作辦法規劃委員賴瑞榮等提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
2490.782 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
2517.485 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
95案,要求中油公司於半年內提出小港地區設置員工幼兒園規劃提供員工子女托幼服務委員賴瑞榮等提案96案,中油公司應積極檢討妥為規劃長期活化措施並加強控管以提升資產運用效能委員謝一鳳等提案97案,要求中油公司應改善提升油氣碳缸成效 |
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2518.035 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
2539.626 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
以及提高自主能源比率及確保能源供應安全提出專案報告委員鄭振淺等提案98案要求中油公司應就持續研擬降低資金籌措成本及確保財務結構之健全降低公司財務負擔相關措施提出專案報告委員鄭振淺等提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
2540.586 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
2563.398 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
九十九案,要求中油公司應將113年度新增轉投資海盛公司計畫據其財務效益評估及投資可行性等事項提出專案報告委員掙掙錢等提案第一百案,要求中油公司就期112年8月能有九筆低度利用或閒置之土地及建物 |
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2565.568 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
2587.635 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
檢討規劃長期活化措施並加強控管提出專案報告委員陣陣前等提案101案要求中油公司應積極檢討強化法令遵循意識與內部管理以貫徹全員公安理念並提出專案報告委員陣陣前等提案102案中油公司以加強對國際能源資源之掌握 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
2588.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
2617.229 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
改善提升油氣探勘成效以提高自主能源比率及確保能源供應安全委員秋益穎等提案103案中油公司及代積極檢討強化法令遵循意識與內部管理以貫徹全員公安理念落實標準作業程序委員秋益穎等提案104案中油公司因積極檢討託為規劃長期活化措施並加強控管以提升 |
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2618.252 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
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資產運用效能委員丘益穎等提案105案中油公司以檢討強化傳奇調度機制之優化及控管機制以易減自傳費用委員丘益穎等提案宣讀完畢 |
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我們現在開始進行協商那我們就先從業務計畫的部分來開始進行那業務計畫因為有總共有7個案所以我們就並案處理從第1案到第7案我們先就業務計畫的部分來請委員發表意見要不要請業務單位再補充說明 |
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提案的都不在來第一案到第七案有沒有意見 |
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陳尼菲委員我的部分是希望他們提書面報告就凍結5%提書面報告因為他這個其實在公安的環保跟衛生環保的部分其實這是長期性大家關注的我們希望說他提一個計畫就是說在整個公安環保這整個區塊要怎麼做他才會把這個區塊讓人民更安心我覺得這是我們 |
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中油要不要說明一下 |
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跟委員報告那基本上我們在公安環保事實上在去年112年都已經是超支的狀況尤其委員提的這一項第7項企業營運成本那我們用在很多污染預防的支出可能包括氣候變遷的預防支出資源循環的預防支出等等這些那都已經超過了是不是讓我們能夠 |
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我真的是公安的部分公安的部分你們的監督機制所有相關天然氣或是油管的部分在地底下你們到底怎麼去做一些相關的防治措施你們都說可以監測監測如果說這個他已經都做了甚至是 |
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他用原有的舊管然後去加壓那這誰在做管控是跟委員報告我們都有一個委託檢測的一個機制然後確保他的安全甚至必要的時候還會有一些這個做一些那個長期看他的一個落差不是好那今天今天如果說 |
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他用了原舊有的管線比如說他是一期的舊管線二期要使用的時候要用他一期的舊管線那勢必就要去做加壓那這個加壓誰在做管控那你今天所通過的你加壓之後所有經過管線附近鄰近的住戶而且都待在頭殼內 |
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誰去保證?事實上我們委託監控的機制都會提供相關的報告,安全沒有問題你不能說安全沒有問題,如果真的安全沒有問題的話我想我們不會常常有一些管線的氣爆或是一些管線的問題嘛,你們不能一直都說絕對沒問題 |
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請問二三十年前的管線二三十年的管線你能保證嗎?現在你的管線你可以保證二三十年前的管線你可以保證嗎? |
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事實上跟委員包括我們都有一個機制比如說在做IP檢測定期的在瞭解他對管線的一個狀況那是你們自己啊那民間的呢民間的天然氣二三十年天天然氣的管線你們敢保證嗎 |
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敢嗎? |
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從工程從開始設計工程圖說你們自己有監控的機制嘛那我意思是說民間的管線 |
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你們能保證嗎?事實上民間的業者,事實上我們的事業部也都會跟業者有一些機制在大家確認安全上,譬如說我們要遣失工期等等這些好啦,那我要這個部分啊好,我們就提供報告給委員你今天,我一個強調喔你是提供資訊給民間業者喔不是你能夠保證民間業者的管線是沒有問題的喔 |
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你要講得清楚喔,如果你可以保證,如果完全問題,是你有什麼辦法喔? |
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我們是負責我們自己所以你們就負責自己的你自己中油自己的管線你們絕對保證可是民間業者的管線你們只是協助對可是他從開始施作到結束甚至第一期原本沒預估到第二期要使用現在連第二期都要加壓上去那請問到時候加壓 |
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上去之後誰敢保證?一定不是你敢保證嗎?你敢保證嗎?是不是委員這部分需要的我們來提供專門報告給委員?你敢不敢保證嗎?我只是這樣子說嘛你敢不敢保證啦? |
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你自己的責任進到哪裡?你不是連民間業者的,你都要負責吧?提供阿!但是你不能保證阿!對不對? |
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你能提供不能保證啊還是你能保證我只是要確定這一點嘛現在所有經濟部能源署出來講的都是說中油都可以保證好嗎那我只確定對嗎你只有負責你自己的部分嗎你要講清楚嗎你不要民間如果發生問題沒有喔我這個中油有給我保證的喔沒辦法嘛我是要確認這一點我對預算沒有意見 |
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好來接下來我們請謝一鳳委員發言謝一鳳之後是楊瓊英委員 |
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市長他們那天來跟我做預算報告的時候說就是秉溪外泄是沒有違反環境的相關法規喔秉溪外泄為什麼會沒有違反環境的相關法規所以他認為說就不用改善是不是是哪一項第48 不是482嗎是是 |
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我們現在討論的是第1案到第7案喔?對對對,我的是不是第3案?好,來,那個...跟委員報告,我想委員關心的就是上次聯儲的一個問題啦齁那事實上在整個環保局的建設裡頭並沒有測到有違反法規的一個部分 |
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但是他外泄出來他沒有影響到就是說沒有就是說到了我們法規的一些可能要開華啦違反規定的一個部分因為以西湯回來四湯他馬上就西化他的溫度相當相當低他在零下104度西他就西化五千公噸嗎是不是 |
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在所謂的徹點都OK |
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我們今天在審中油的預算 這個預算是什麼時候編的 |
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前年的11月開始編那有加入這一次4月1號要漲價電費漲價的這個問題嗎沒有那請問因為我們還是要務實那你這樣子因為已經宣布了嘛那很清楚像自來水公司說他會大約約會增加10億的這個成本那我們中油公司呢 |
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中油公司這樣子會增加多少成本呢?而且我們甚至還高度質疑9月份還想要漲所以我們已經提出了一個案子也就是明天立法院我希望大家都支持就是9月份絕對不能再漲一定要動漲要不然真的不知道 |
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會搞死多少人那所以這樣的情況之下我們要審預算之前還是要先幫你們的成本政府已經宣告了嘛你的成本那你的電價因為漲價會增加多少 |
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根文報告我們大概盤了一下我們去年的電費我們大概20億度整個公司大概21度大概65億左右那我們的漲幅有的12%有的14%我們沒有15%的所以起來大概就是說目前初估大概會從65億多變成73億多65億到73億就是每個事業部這樣子加工起來的大約8億左右8億多大概目前那這個預算要怎麼審 |
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那這個你們這個平白無故莫名其妙就要加一個8億那萬一如果9月還漲那更多那我們今天立法委員坐在這邊審預算因為是以前是這個政府已經宣告那你這個怎麼處理所以就請委員不要幫我們因為漲8億所以多8億我現在就可以看出成本要加漲會不會要從消費者身上來漲呢會不會 |
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所以就請委員不要幫我們動 |
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三根洞跟本席所提問的不相關阿你現在可以預估喔9月還不漲的情況之下喔你大約要漲8億要增加成本8億出估啦目前出估啦出估啦對阿就大約嘛8億那這怎麼處理因為我們今天審預算也不能隨便審阿我們已經看到政府一定跟你公佈阿捏阿要怎麼處理我想主席台我覺得這個問題主席主席 |
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我覺得這個問題要先解決啊不然我們今天審的預算都假的啊那我還要一個問題就是說你現在出估大約8億那我上次自來水說它10億我就部長剛好在這裡我問部長你人去的那你要不要給自來水10億 |
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他不可能啊那所以還是要你中油自行吸收那自行吸收的時候那會不會再從消費者身上來拔毛啊會不會我想這部分我們就是說我們盡量去做到節電嘛節能業嘛不是盡量你告訴我原則就好嘛那不然我們這本預算沒有辦法省啊 |
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那預算過去經常有超支的部分就是併結算嘛當然併結算啊你不要把立法院當成是空的啊超支的部分併結算那個是不可抗的因素啊那你現在已經是知道答案了啊我們現在才在審欸你講的超支併結算你動作我們都不懂喔 |
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你超支併決算是因為我們審過預算而執行中有了這個狀態當然你要併決算不然錢怎麼出那立法院當然有權力支持你不要就開氣了不然怎麼辦對不對立法院有權力支持可是我們現在還沒審預算就已經看到這個問題你基本上要多8億 |
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那9月會議又漲了這個樣態很糟糕所以拜託明天藍綠白的委員都要支持在院會的這個提案那這樣的情況本席要問你一句話當然也不是董事長你決定啦但是政府已經告訴你了嘛一定去啊嘛 |
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那你會因為你的成本增加多而再由消費者的身上來拔毛嗎?會不會?我跟委員報告 中油公司是國營事業我們所有的售價都必須考慮到政府穩定物價的政策所以要這個售價不是中油公司當方面能夠決定的 那誰? |
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那政府告訴他說現在森林塗炭啊 |
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那這麼苦民所苦這麼嚴重阿你之前我們的基海路要挨挨救阿你之前跟他去給阿他也去阿阿你配合他漲阿漲了這個八億要塞在哪裡以後再並決算那問題是會不會從我們的民眾身上來拔錨 |
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跟委員報告中國公司過去這3年光吸收天然氣超過4千億吸收油品超過1千億很多就是說中國公司 所以你現在負債虧損嘛你又負債虧損你是國營事業當中負債虧損最好還是全民買單嘛 對不對所以你穿一個褲墊長的我也推你不敢嘛 對不對那這個問題我們要凸顯出來啊你糊裡糊塗長的這個在非適當時間去長這個價 |
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那導致每一個單位都亂掉啊 這本預算這本預算這尊都不是真的啊 對不對 你的成本不只這一些啊那怎麼辦 不知道你告訴我嘛 你會不會因為政府給你漲價 那你增加了約估8億從 |
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消費者的身上扒嗎? |
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我根本報告過了嘛,我們這個售價絕對會配合政府的相關政策。 配合政府就是歐美企嘛!你不要再跟我董事長你是來行的人,你有能力的人,你不要告訴我這種我聽不到的答案嘛!政府已經漲價,我們叫他不要漲欸!他已經漲了嘛!而且漲了跟你有相關的,你要增加8億的預算欸! |
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我跟委員報告事實上油品器材油有一個這個機制在運行具體要求我們要會議記錄寫上來具體要求不可以因為電價漲價增加的成本從消費者的末端去拔毛 |
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我相信大家都同意 主席來我做建議 第二個我講對這個你剛剛有一句 委員 抱歉你已經講超過5分鐘 當然讓下一位先講你剛才講的不是這條 我現在講的當然這條因為成本問題 再一個課題就是剛剛董事長有講就管線的問題 |
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當然你們是負責你們的 人家在你手上我就負責 不可能嘛 所以你要講真的給大家聽甚至你有一句話我有興趣 你說我可以協助業者 你要怎麼協助業者 對不對 你請輸入資料給我因為未來我們的油品會一改再改 那他們要怎麼做 你們要怎麼協助他 這個機制很重要好不好 |
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我們本來就有這個機制我們提供書面報告給委員本來就有這個機制就是沒搞因為你現在油品會讓他一直在蓋嘛好不好好謝謝楊瓊怡委員請到瑞倫委員接下來是張七愷委員好謝謝我是第5個案的部分其實我覺得中油的部分對於這個環安公安甚至勞警這個很重要如果沒有這個的話 |
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你的整個企業的經營是會出很大的一個問題特別是在第一線那每一次的黃安發生意外的時候那第一線的員工幾乎是最辛苦的甚至有的就犧牲了生命甚至影響到整個家庭 |
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所以我是覺得我還是強烈的要求中油在這一塊黃安公安一定要投入更多的資源加強落實落實很重要像這樣91億的經費進來但是落實很重要你們要盯緊所有的廠商盯緊所有這些的每一個環節不應該出錯那看這幾年來從108到112年每年其實都還是有非常多的這個黃安的案件發生 |
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那在11年那一次甚至很嚴重那一次中油大林場那一次的爆炸那非常的嚴重所以我覺得我還是強烈的要求這個董事長這邊還是要針對這個部分要進行不斷的進行檢討跟精進的措施這樣的事情不應該持續的發生所以我希望適度的給予凍結那也要求也期待中油要把公安放在第一位環安放在第一位 |
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好 謝謝來請張七開委員 |
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剛剛那個楊全英楊偉講那個很重要他只有三條路可以走嘛第一點就是支持那個民眾黨跟國民黨提的禮拜五就是動掌或者是不要掌這個問題要解決這是第一個對不對那第一個還有一條路啊今天預算案所有的都不算了嘛都退回去重審 |
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另外第三個 有條路可能比較折衷啦 主席等一下可以討論一下 就是我們很明確 因為給配額嘛 對不對 我們現在最擔心就是你轉嫁到一般的民眾身上去了 那我們非常明定的很明確的把文字寫清楚 因為電價調漲導致中油的要增加8億的支出 不得轉嫁到民眾的身上 |
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我再重複一次因為電價調漲導致中油的預算增加了8億不得轉嫁到民眾的身上能不能很明確的把它記錄下來謝謝 |
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我們是不是就停止討論好不好那主席來簡要說明一下這本預算其實是他們前年編的照理講我們去年就應該要完成審查也就是在上一屆的立法委員就應該要完成審查是我們自己把時間拖延了 |
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所以到今天來排審那這是第一個第二個電價漲價這件事情在當年前年他們編這一本預算的時候還沒有發生這個狀況所以現在面臨到4月以後的電價漲價可能中油還是必須要有一些因應對於你們的成本增加的部分你們在預算上面如何調度如何 |
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支配這個可能你們要有所因應那剛剛兩位委員提的部分是不是請你們用書面做成主決議然後大家待會來做討論好不好因為你們送書面上來嘛我們就放在後面去做討論啦因為因為這樣子沒有主席沒有辦法才是好嗎好好那這個關於他們這個業務計畫的部分 |
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請問各位委員我們是不是就照預算來通過然後委員提出的需要他們再補書面的部分是不是就請中油提出書面報告好不好 |
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我是要求我送訪委員會嗎? |
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對對對對就送報告到委員會好不好那個機制的部分啦 因為未來會不一樣啦但是報告主席我是尊重你啦齁但是只說我們今天先這份預算的手裡都照進去 這樣要怎麼審?等於預算數字都不對啊 所以你已經給我們講一個預算病決算啦 但是齁空白支票還要幫你送去 用你的油罐車運輸到你們家去喔? |
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沒有啦,蔡委員其實這份議事我們今年就要把它完成了啦那不可以這樣說的啊不是不是預算沒有審查完是我們的責任當然是我們的責任齁我是覺得說我這麼中油算一個價位出來就是說因應電價調整之後他們所有的這些成本增加的部分他們在預算上面應該要怎麼樣做調配支應 |
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好 我覺得請中油送一個報告上來我認為這應該是合理啦我支持主席的處理是不是就請電價的部分因為未來會因應的你提一個報告進來但是我認為立法院的職者也要盡快的把這些審查完畢對 因為您關心到的是電價成本電價增加的部分但是不代表他 |
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不是不代表中油所有這一本預算是假的這個是他們也很認真的去編列預算而且我們要很認真的審查因為他的成本就不是這樣啊今天我們才審欸我們已經可以說中油的成本不是只有在電費的部分光光電費一向就增加8億所以這個已經沒有在這一本裡面了 |
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所以我現在要凸顯的問題是說因為政府的一個決策導致機關單位所增加的電費在我們審查預算的時候這個不是不可抗是已經知道但是沒有在這裡面 這當然是不可抗的因素 我就講了前年編列預算的時候沒有電價漲價的這個問題 |
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請問主席 |
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所以我剛剛已經裁示了我請中油再補再補送報告上來或許我們改天可以再開一個專案報告讓中油來說明因應電價上漲他們的這個成本增加的部分中油如何在預算上面去做調配去 |
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請各位委員提案好不好這個我最後可不可以再講一個我們今天預算我們會支持 |
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但是本席要求的是說我們立法院在審查預算所送來的資料他已經不是這個數字那我們立法院還要再審唯一的途徑只有告訴我們預算並決算但是我們對人民來講這筆預算你送來他明明白白他的成本就不是這樣我要怎麼樣給你通過 |
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你的成本不是這樣子我們今天所有藍綠白的委員給你通過我們就很奇怪啊 |
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那你們也應該應對阿 我也尊重主席說你們因為漲價你們要怎樣去調整內部 我知道中油也很辛苦的阿 也不是你們希望的阿你要怎麼去調整這一部嘛 我們做成決議就是說你漲價的部分不能變相加加在我們消費者的身上嘛 這個一定大家主決議大家會已經過了已經寫來了我們待會送主席台大家一定都會支持嘛 我只是在跟主席 |
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主席 這是讓董事長說明一下好不好 檢要說明一下 |
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來那個董事長說一下好好謝謝 謝謝委員我想我們在整個售價裡面其實大家都知道有一個復動機制的不是說我要調多少就調多少其實他是跟著原油在復動嘛 |
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那這一部分剛剛趙委有做成這樣子要中油公司去檢討嘛我電會增加我成本增加這一部分我怎麼去cost down嘛我怎麼去透過有效的節電措施等等節能措施等等希望把我的成本降到最低嘛我去做這樣子一個內部的一個調配那我們遵照趙委的指示我們把相關的書面資料相關的機制提供給委員會來做裁決嘛好來張家俊委員 |
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主席 我贊成這個楊全英召委所要求的就是說這一本預算其實已經失真了包括說他的這個增加的預算可能不止8億8億只是出估而已搞不好你增加了10億20億如果我們現在審的這個預算其實也是空談嘛那你那20億你要從哪邊生出來 |
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8億好了假設是8億8億也不是8塊你要從哪裡生出來所以我建議主席應該是退回去讓他們重新整理然後我們再認真的來審查我們是絕對支持通過預算的也沒有說不願意讓他通過只是如果假設這一本這個預算書已經失真了那我們今天不就一起在這裡浪費了時間然後也 |
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沒有進到我們身為立法委員的資格好來我跟各位委員說明一下請大家看一下這一本是113年的預算113年就是今年度的預算中油今年度已經執行了3個月了這一本預算我們照理講在上一屆 |
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立委任期結束之前就必須把它審查完均但是我們沒有做到這一點好這是第一個第二個前年他們在編列這一本預算的時候不會有所謂的電價上漲造成成本電費成本增加的這件事情所以當然不會反映在這一本預算書裡頭第三個剛剛各位委員提到的 |
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電費增加造成中油的成本增加的這個部分我剛剛也才是說是不是請中油來做詳細的報告對於這樣的電費上漲他們成本增加的部分應該做怎樣的調配因應但是請大家記得中油是一個國營事業也是一個營利單位 |
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他們總是一個公司總是會有一個調度機制怎麼樣在成本上漲的同時他去尊潔他內部的開支減少這樣的一個成本增加一個公司好的公司治理應該具備這樣的能力我們是不是應該讓中油去做這樣的一個成本調度 |
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然後讓他們來跟立法委員、立法院來做報告那我們是不是也讓這一本預算趕快審完因為讓中油今年度的預算執行可以比較順暢第二 |
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如果真的在成本因應的部分中油在編列明年度的預算的時候其實也會把電價上漲所造成的成本增加你們的成本支出的部分會反映在明年的預算書上面所以明年的預算書其實更可以看出你們在成本增加的時候你們如何去做調度因應 |
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那我們明年再來看他們的預算書的時候其實更可以知道中油如何在這個部分去做調節好嗎那我們請沒有發言過的先發言鄭天才委員再來是蔡易餘委員主席各位委員 |
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這個剛才說的都沒有錯113年度的預算本來是要去年年底以前要完成但是立法院都是這個行之有年都是已經成為慣例了都是這個時候才審這個是一個事實好既然是這個時候審 |
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如果是上禮拜審大概我們也不能剛才的那些發言了就是因為這個時候審然後已經知道要上漲了所以我們如果也不做任何的處理就假裝不知道 |
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好 請參與委員 |
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我想這個事實上在處理這個國營事業預算我們在上個會期我們也處理了台電跟台糖都已經處理完了那現在大概就是中油跟台水 |
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那我想不管是機關或是國營事業都會因應著電價上漲然後他們的成本增加這個問題不會只出現在中油所有的國營事業是同步因應那已經通過預算的自然他們在他們已經通過的113年度他們還是得去做一個調整就其他國營事業一樣要面對這個問題一樣在他們已經通過預算去做一個調整那中油一樣要在 |
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前提之下來做他們預算的調整這個道理也是我們在處理預算的時候我們在處理的一些支出我們可能會說檢列多少檢列10%檢列多少幾億元這個檢列多少事實上也是要中有在他們 |
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通過的預算裡面也是要去做調整所以濱海不印事業等要因應著一些外債情勢或者是立法院我們對他做出怎樣的要求的時候他們在預算要去做調整那這一次的電價上漲趕快那剛剛也說我們是不是要求中油這個調整後不能因把他們調整後的成本增加轉嫁到了人民身上就是說他們所出售的油品會因為他們的電價上漲 |
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然後他們的油品也跟著調整價格這件事不能把它聯動在一起那剩下的基本上就是每一個國營事業都要面對這個電價上漲的時候他們要做預算的總支出的一個一個一個因應嘛所以我會覺得說我們事實上是這一本預算你去年度就要把它通過了那我去年當在上個會期我當召委嘛那那時候我也蠻急的啊但是 |
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我們另外一個招委他就沒有排所以就變成說我們4個經濟部所管轄的4個主要的國營事業我們只過了兩個還有兩個都還沒有過所以在今年的話已經過到3月然後他們也已經執行了3個月還沒有過的預算 |
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主席,抱歉,現在事實同情,現在事實已經知道就是 |
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至少要多8億嘛 對不對所以我們今天不能假裝不知道這8億的事情我們要看怎麼捕破王要不然的話本委員會每個委員就失職了所以我強烈的建議今天不能把它審完今天不能審完要等那個中油提出報告之後你怎麼解決以後再來重審好不好我們再排一天再來審第二個就是剛剛那個主決議我們等一下就可以先表決 |
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楊卿英委員 |
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焦點在於這一本預算是在這個上面有寫3月22號這個 |
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所以換句話說就是我們在審預算前今天是3月27日我們今天在審預算是在政府已經宣告會增加會調漲所以換句話說我們明知道這一本預算的數字成本是跟現在文字上面的數字跟你們預定要執行的是會增加8億左右這個我們要先確認所以本席強調也就是說 |
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如果說因為漲價8億請你們自行去尊潔你們裡面哪裡可以減的可以省的那那個事情更大條我們如果照你的數字通過你可以省可以減那是我們眼睛都沒有看到嗎那這個邏輯太奇怪也折煞了中油公司 |
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所以也不能公司治理有公司治理的一個原則不能說隨隨便便你們送出來絕對是台中油你很負責任的寫出這一本這是外在因素加了這個八一要怎麼處理我們是回歸在這裡我認為我們委員會沒有理由叫你們去諄解什麼 |
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你今天送出來我們依照你送的白紙寫黑字的內容我們來看合不合理合不合理合理趕快你們趕快去加油不合理我們怎麼樣增三千應該是如此嘛對不對如果我們把他扭到說為了那個八億你們要去尊嚴你的內容哇那這個整個預算連支出都失真了那這個更嚴重啊所以本席還是具體建議喔 |
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因為政府突然間漲了這個漲價多了這個錢那政府你行政院你應該要怎麼樣去協助不能轉嫁到我們的民眾身上委員您的發言時間太長了好不好我們後面還有委員要發言已經失真的時候我們要怎麼處理您的問題一直在重複我聽懂了我接下來請邱志偉我請邱志偉委員 |
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我等了好久 等了很久我想沒有人 這個為什麼要有滾動式檢討 任何政策我沒有辦法預估什麼時候會漲價 對不對 這個預算書早在去年就編了 對不對 前年就編了 |
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我們通過之後漲價的訊息或者政策才會做決定那這個預算已經通過了你們還是要按照這個預算來執行對不對我說你們有沒有滾動式因應的這個方案假設 |
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按照你原本這本的預算通過那你增加如果電價調漲現在調漲幅度還不知道那你調漲你預估是8億預估8億你們自己滾動式檢討盤底的結果按照這本預算通過你能不能去維持整體的營運的品質這個我要請教一下董事長 |
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請董事長回答謝謝委員本來我們整個企業經營每個禮拜每個月事實上本來就是都在持續做滾動性的檢討在做持續改善的一個工作其實不只電匯這一部分其他包括其他的能源都一樣事實上公司本來就是公司治理就是這樣子一個滾動式的一直在檢討那也不斷的在做節省成本的這些努力 |
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我們就停止討論主席還是要提醒一下大家這本預算是前年編列的所以前年不會有估計到預算電費上漲的這件事情當然中油在一個公司的營運上面他本來就必須因應各種的局勢環境變化 |
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去做滾動式的檢討國際原油的價格不會一成不變前年編列的國際原油的價格到今年執行的時候不會跟他前年編列的時候是一樣的天然氣的價格也不會都是一樣的有漲有跌他們必須常常不斷的滾動式的在檢討所以他的預算編列通常會支持一個粗抓一個平均值一個大概的數字 |
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那立法委員當然可以請他們尊潔開支否則為什麼我們要審他們的預算我們常常要砍他們的預算要砍多少錢要砍多少錢不就也是要他們尊潔開支不要亂花錢嗎好那現在因應這樣的一個成本增加當然他們必須滾動檢討所以剛剛主席才是是不是讓中油去做這一部分的成本增加來跟委員會做一個報告 |
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好不好那另外第二點我再跟大家提醒一下我們現在討論的部分是他的業務計劃我們並還沒有討論到他的營業成本的部分所以是不是我們第一案到第七案若各位委員沒有意見我們就預算照列那我們就往下走好嗎 |
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好,那我們第一案到第七案我們就預算照列來接下來我們請看產銷營運計畫的部分第八案開始到第十四案等一下為什麼第一案到第七案就這樣子就是抱歉我沒有聽清楚你說第一案到第七案怎麼樣 |
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剛剛主席一開始的時候就有講我們是按照計畫的部分並案討論所以剛剛是討論營業物計畫部分第一案到第七案的討論那各位委員對第一案到第七案的預算沒有意見的話我們就預算照列那我們現在來接下來討論 |
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產銷營運計畫的部分我有提出說針對第1案到第7案就是第1案我的提的第1案是希望他們能夠提出專案報告時得凍值那我是提出說要凍結他們20%那我看其他的委員都是10%不然你想不想凍結10%讓他們提出專案報告不然都 |
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10%有點多啦好不好那你們3%好不好那就凍結3%然後提出書面報告好嗎好那我們凍結3%然後提出書面報告是的是謝謝委員 |
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接下來我們請看第8案到第14案產銷營運計劃的部分來請中國董事長說明一下這部分事實上有第9案跟第11案我已經同意改組決議題書面報告這是在這邊先補充說明的那其實這一塊是公安跟前面的環保一樣都非常重要也是剛剛 |
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來,針對公安環保的部分請問各位委員有沒有意見 |
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因為有部分的委員已經在他們的溝通之下已經直接就改成主決議了那其他的提案委員也有凍結10%有凍結5%的有像張祺凱委員是凍結1000萬那請問大家有沒有意見要凍結還是要請做成主決議請他們在公安環保的部分加強然後送書面報告 |
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因為公安我看很多人都提嘛對不對 那我們是要求凍結一千萬啦 看大家有沒有要一起 我跟張委員都有提案 五百就好啦 一樣意思啦 五百就好啦就先凍結一千啊 不然我們就叫張祺凱委員的啦 凍結一千萬好不好 那請他們提書面報告 對對對 好吧好 謝謝大家 |
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然後第9案第11案改成主決議蔡議員的案子跟陳超明委員的案子就改成主決議好謝謝來接下來我們請看研究發展支出第15案16案合併討論來請中油公司說明 |
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這部分是研發的部分那中油要轉型就要研發先行所以請委員來支持我們的一些研發的會員我們這裡頭其實包括氫能還有包括整個地熱然後碳封存碳補儲等等這些比較前瞻的一些轉型計畫所以請各位委員支持 |
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楊卿衣委員 |
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全球的腳步這也是一個台灣的榮耀一個台灣的榮耀所以我個人認為說你們應該可以將這些資訊不是商業機密的範圍內運用各種方式比如說你們經常補助辦活動還是說你們這個有什麼這樣的研討會那線上可以讓民眾更加的了解 |
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我覺得這樣因為每一個人幾乎他的生活所需都必須跟中油黏在一起啊那如果讓你的消費者更對你這個公司更加的有信心我想這對中油來講也是一個加成作用這是我的建議好 謝謝來那如果這一這兩個案子如果大家都沒有意見我們是不是就不凍結然後預算照列 |
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讓中油有更多的這個支援好不好好我可以改組決議嗎我認為中油應該要對於就是淨零碳排的部分也應該要把它並入就是說未來你們怎麼樣子減碳的部分也要加強你們的研究跟研發好不好 |
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第15案 謝伊鳳委員提案改成主決議 研究發展支出向下51億4909萬的預算就照列接下來我們看營業總收入的部分第17案賴瑞榮委員提案 |
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那這個我看就不用中油說明了啦吼這個因為剛剛大家說這個成本不能轉嫁到消費者身上所以賴委員你這個是不是就直接撤案你要叫他增列25億啊如果比照剛剛大家的邏輯的話好不好好謝謝謝謝各位好那就那個第17案營業收入賴慧龍委員撤案謝謝 |
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好接下來我們看營業總支出的部分那第18案是那個通案我們就通案先保留我們先處理下面的細項下面細項我們就19案到第23案我們一併討論處理來中油要不要說明 |
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好這部分大概在整個服務會用裡頭齁其實就是包括水電會還有旅運會還有包裝代工會專業服務會等等齁那這裡頭我們還是建議就是請委員不要簡略跟不要凍結啦齁那當然在整個大陸旅運的部分我們盡量來簡說啦齁 |
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那這部分是不是在大陸旅運的部分能夠讓我們保留一些些就像去年的決算數因為在我們這幾年其實跟大陸方面其實都已經沒有互動但是我們有國際公司像哈斯基這些國際公司他總部設在中國大陸的那我們又有一些海域探勘的一個合作那就讓我們保留這一塊 |
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請各位委員發表意見電費嗎? |
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我們現在講的是第19案到第23案服務費用那服務費用我知道您有提了一個是水電費的部分所以就服務費用的部分對就是簡列嘛因為這個剛才我們剛才提到的就是因為電價的問題嘛那我們還是我們還是就是按照那個他電價成本已經上漲你還要簡列兩億嗎 |
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我本來是想說我要測案結果因為想說電費都已經漲了但是 |
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你測案沒關係啊我測啦我測來張大軍委員測案好來那個楊瓊益委員之後是李柏益委員之後是邱志偉委員謝謝主席我想請教中油水電當然水沒有增電增電8億那本期要請教因為電所引起的 |
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因為漲價了嘛那包括你第22案的部分就是暫除你的包裝還有你的加工費那你們有沒有預估因為電漲價因為全民漲嘛1250萬戶都有影響那全民漲的情況之下你這個部分 |
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會不會增加?還是會不會減少?因為現在坊間有一個聲音,也就是說 起點沒沒差,我就倒了,我沒用點了那這個當然是非常揶揄的話語 但是我們務實的在看就你在代理,你在加工,你佔儲的這個部分 會不會增加?董事長 |
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其實這邊暫存外包交工這邊其實是跟人事成本比較有關那這邊其實就是說跟著這樣子基本工資我們都有在做跟著基本工資配合這樣子一個調整預算的部分 |
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以後因為電價漲價你這個加工費用這樣會增加嗎?你這樣預估你的成本會不會增加?其實你看整本預算我蠻憂心的因為所有的單位甚至省機長都說電價漲萬物其漲所以我是想要了解當然你們很努力就是說在這個部分你們公司也應該要去預估我各類有可能會漲 |
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還是會見?請講根委員報告事實上我們這邊這個預算的時候我們整個在服務會用聯運的包裝代工這邊其實當時是針對我們在泥日有個阿嘎旦礦區我們在今年會開始外輸原油所以有相關整個原油產量會提升所以它的加工費用就會增加最主要是指這一塊 |
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會不會也因為我們電價漲而影響你這一個部分因為你這個是一年前編的嘛會不會那時候還沒有漲電價的問題阿的因素阿會不會增加 委員不好意思這是國外的部分我們是不是讓委員都問完再當然一併回答好不好不然這樣那個時間會拖很長不好意思您的部分先回答啦因為你把我嚼下去我不好意思叫你聽來來來那之後我們是不是委員都問完了我們再請中友一併回答好不好 |
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委員這塊我們剛講的加工其實是國外 國外跟我們國內電價上漲是沒有關係的 是我們寧日阿卡丹這個礦區外輸管線營業增量 營業量會增加 這個比例占你這個部分多少 這塊加工這一塊就20 |
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李博弈委員 |
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謝謝董事長你應該知道我來問什麼就針對水電費增加的問題過去高電廠旁邊有一些中油的宿舍那歷史的原因造成說這一些宿舍雖然在高雄市政府的使用分區上是住宅區但是他接的是工業用電所以這一次的調漲裡面會包含到這些宿舍區不合理的被列為工業用電的漲價 |
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中油沒有積極的跟台電來處理所有的居民的這個用電的問題我想在這個用電的問題跟改成民生用電之前中油應該要合理的來處理這些居民的用電的部分董事長知道這個事情嗎?市長跟委員報告我們一直在努力這一塊但是有需要我協助我可以協助啦但是在這一次的漲價的部分我認為中油 |
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徐志偉委員徐志偉委員徐志偉委員徐志偉委員徐志偉委員 |
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去年預算是編127億那今年就是說跟委員報告剛剛就是講國外擬日礦區這部分增加20幾億 |
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為什麼會增加20幾億? |
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因為今年會有外輸管線,它原油那邊會增加。 增加多少? |
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從原來2萬桶現在會拉到10萬桶,所以整個加工費用都上來了。 就是這是一次性的設備是不是? |
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一次性的設備? |
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對,這是新的,我們在泥濠礦區的投資。 |
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所以你那一日礦區投資以後就是年產10萬噸的,10萬桶是吧?是是是日產日產,我們都是講日產那油是要送到台灣還是?沒有沒有,在國外處理在國外處理?對我希望你們投入的設備成本齁是這個我們到底要回收捏,你不要說整個一日礦區你這總共花了多少錢啊? |
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您是...這個我們來整理一下再跟委員說明一下不要說入不敷出啦或者你這個礦區長期虧損或者是沒有經濟效益你就要去評估是不是要投入這麼多錢是是是那你這樣說明說你這個油管新的 |
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每日2萬桶增加到10萬桶這部分我支持但是我希望這是一次性的這個支出一次性的設備支出不要明年你又來一個管線所以就這樣那個提案因為他不在了我想他應該會支持的來那這樣是不是我徵詢一下大家的意見因為 |
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19案到第23案大部分都是賴瑞榮委員的提案張家俊委員撤案了那謝一鳳委員您有沒有意見要不要改成主決議如果沒有的話那我們是不是這個部分就預算照列那針對於楊瓊英委員跟李伯毅委員還有邱志偉委員想要了解的部分是不是請中油再詳細的報告給個別的委員那並複製我們經濟委員會好不好 |
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我同意齁,你們好好去盤點一下也就是你在這個158億多那你這個泥濘的部分是只有20幾億我們要探討的是說你因為漲價而可能會影響到的你的支出到底會增加還是減少這一個本席想要要求這個資料第二個也就是說剛剛我也提了你們在研發費用50幾億我全力支持因為能源一直在改 |
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中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算案 |
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好 那如果大家沒有意見的話 來 博弈 |
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請邱志偉幫你提 |
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寫成主決議送上來然後我們待會再一併處理好不好那現在趕快簽那如果服務費用的部分大家沒有意見的話我們就預算照列那謝一鳳委員的提案是改主決議嗎 |
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好 謝謝那其餘個別委員需要的部分請中油再書面報告好那接下來我們看第24案營業成本那因為這個也是一個通案所以我們就先保留我們先往下我們先往下處理先處理第25案原油運費的部分來請中油說明 |
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這部分其實就是因為搞漲因為這幾年因為漲得非常非常多現在運費不是這個國際運費現在是往下降先往下降這趨勢往下降你看這個我們這是在看112年的相關數據先的約嗎?你那個約是1000多元那現在是現在國際運費是往下降降幅也不小 |
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所以你們有沒有去去議價或者是針對你們運費去做想辦法能夠符合現在的這個行情你如果用3年前簽訂3年前那時候運費是最高的時候呢這個齁哇齁凍結100萬齁因為這個只有我提案齁哇凍結100萬你針對這個運費的部分齁 |
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提一個書面報告好根文報告事實上我們看預算書去年是編95億實際上實行了159億那今年因為去年高漲今年又稍微回來所以我們今年就編了130億是有比決算少 |
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我們是不是因為提案委員邱志偉要求凍結100萬然後就提書面報告好不好那請中油再提一個書面報告那我們第25案就凍結100萬元好接下來我們看第26案27案油氣儲輸運費油氣儲輸費用的部分來請說明我先請他說明好不好好張委員謝謝 |
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跟委員報告因為這一塊還是漸起梅雨凍結因為事實上這個去年的預算裡頭五十幾億今年會變到六十七億大概增加了十幾億其實是在整個維修會的一個上升 |
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那維修費用我們為了整個用在水土保持然後維護油氣管線的安全還有除潮設施的安全那這一塊增加的部分最多那還有一些就是我們一些委託研究委託檢驗就是剛剛委員關心的我們這個海陸管線操作上的一個安全還有包括一些公安上有效的降低一些地下管線污染的這部分的費用的一個投入 |
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所以還是建起委員能夠免以凍結來張七開委員 |
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這問題我上禮拜有質詢那我執行完之後很多立委都上台認為說這問題天然氣的安全存量是非常重要對不對包括政政前委員都把我的問題都重複又問了一次那顯示就是說天然氣的安全存量是社會上第一個已經很多人討論過了不只是報紙跟電視討論很久對立委的職權來講本來就要非常重視這個問題 |
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那隔天我印象中隔天連王美花部長都被問到這問題他都有回答了嗎? |
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都有回答了嘛所以中油在這個天然氣的安全存量到底目前是幾天然後到底能夠提升到幾天這個努力要讓大家知道好不好為了國家安全不只立法院要問整個政府特別是中油本來就是要努力那我知道你們要努力可是那天沒有很明確的一個答案好不好那包括你們要加強這個整個這除氣的調度的這個彈性我希望有一個比較明確的這個答案那天主席好像也 |
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跟你講就是說事後你要更詳細的跟我講嘛所以我們現在先凍結兩千萬先凍結兩千萬然後等你很明確跟我跟我解釋完之後我們再來看要解凍多少好不好 |
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我的重點是這個是大家關心的事情為了國家安全要共同不只是立委關心我相信中油在做努力沒有錯中油在做努力那可是到目前為止我沒有得到一個比較明確我要知道你們的努力到什麼程度事實上你的回答不見得是說去洩漏什麼國家機密這跟國家機密沒有關係對不對我要的是你們的努力我記得那一天 |
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我是肯定董事長那天的回答的本來是8天嘛你都已經收到14天你要繼續努力啊那你給我一個比較明確的答案讓社會各界也知道中油非常的努力好不好等你們讓大家看到就是說你們努力的時候我再解讀這兩千萬 |
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來 邱志偉委員接下來是楊瓊英委員這個有簽署的修法的問題這個安全存量石油管理法很有相關的安全存量的規定當然這個台灣的處境很非常非常的這個嚴峻當然這個能源等於是國家安全一環當然安全存量越高我們當然是越好但是你安全存量 |
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這個要增加油炒,要增加油炒,那油炒的設備不是說一天兩天可能需要還品,所以我這樣說沒問題,所以你要天天需要除草,除草新建可能要多久,所以我們希望說從法制面,從預算面來支持你們這個把安全存量能夠提高,我認為最好21天最好,21天也沒關係,但是你們做得夠做不夠 |
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至尾提到法治法跟修法 事實上這個不用修嘛 這個目前你們 之前授權給你們 目前做的是八天嘛 對不對 那為什麼 |
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現有的要點裡面是8天嘛那我要問的不是把這個做一個什麼什麼一定是哪一天我要的是你們的努力你盡量去延長這個儲存的這個天數的這個提升能夠提升到多少的這個時間欸前幾天連財政財政委員會都在討論連金融都要冰推了當然這個事情也要冰推啊 |
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是不是我現在第一個沒有 志偉你剛剛提的那個法定上已經有明定了那當然你要去努力讓這個天數再更增加嘛所以我說上次基本上我是肯定董事長這個回答的因為你有在做努力嘛你從限額8天你說到後來已經可能是10天以上那民眾聽了他會覺得你有努力啊那我要的是你還更努力能夠最長到幾天有沒有可能像志偉剛剛講的到21天這是大家共同要去關心的 |
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所以那天不是只有我執行那天執行完以後很多立法委員上來用我的話又重新問了你嘛對不對那我現在要的是解凍之前我有一個比較明確的答案讓社會大眾知道說不只立委在關心這個問題整個國家特別是中油有在做這方面的努力好不好怎麼樣主席OK嗎等一下楊瓊英委員還要發言來好謝謝主席這個 |
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董事長我們現在是8天嘛世界現在是國際是希望要14天嘛所以本席也質疑就是說上次你回答的是說我們會朝這個方向去努力那這一句話是真的還是假的 |
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這幾月是真的假的因為如果說你由8天改到14天那你的支出一定會增加不管是設備或者是目前一定會增加你比如說像台電有很多他在外面啊 |
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外面在單純的、買到單純的那一天要花多少錢所以我是認為說你上次回答說你會朝這個方向那你現在編列的這個預算到底是還是以8天還是以幾天為計算因為那個成本會不一樣的好不好你待會請說明一下 |
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中油董事長說明一下我想現在的法規國內的法規現在安全存量法定是8天事實上中油目前現在是可以達到將近11天11天±大概在這個附近 |
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那到2025年法規就規定到11天到2027年就是民國116年法規規定要到14天所以中國公司就是往這個未來法規的14天在努力執行各項增強LNG異化天然氣韌性的相關投資包括我們的除草的興建第二海管的投資等等類類種種就是希望 |
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未來能夠符合法規甚至比這個法規還來得高所以請委員支持我們的預算讓我們投入更多的天然氣的基礎建設大家聚焦一直進來我覺得齊凱委員說凍結多少那個只是一個宣誓性就是說 |
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我也希望要了解你們現在8天然後現在我們就是有一個容量大概可以11天左右那但是我們馬上面臨到的是符合法規的部分是11天然後再來14天2026年14天 |
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所以那你們要怎麼樣去佈建你們一定有一個KPI的指標嘛那你把你們怎麼去佈建目前的容量多少你未來要怎麼去佈建那個流程請有一份書面資料給分析好不好謝謝那個是不是我們就照楊瓊英委員的建議是不是請張其凱委員也同意我們就免於凍結然後照剛才楊瓊英委員的建議 |
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先凍結兩千萬嘛我先說我先裁示一下你待會兒要不要是意見我先說好了啦就是說我們不要凍結然後不要凍結然後請中油把這個你們的這個除潮的包括你的這個建制包括這些計畫來跟委員做說明好不好凍結然後宿內資料他也要送宿內資料就好你讓張其凱委員一個面子勒 |
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先凍結,他跟我們說明完之後我們就解凍,好不好?不行啊,不是他跟你說明完你就能解凍,因為還要在另外排解凍案所以如果您不堅持的話,我們是不是就讓他給你書面報告好不好?我是堅持的,我是堅持的好,那就凍結兩千萬喔,在請中有送書面報告 |
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那另外剛剛賴瑞隆委員第21案22案23案改成主決議好接下來我們請看28案到第36案的部分營業成本看看費用的部分來請說明 |
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我想這一部分從28到36最主要是在探勘會用那整個探勘這邊跟委員報告事實上我們去年的執行率將近百分之百去年執行率相當那今年我們預算又增加了是因為我們又有新的礦區要去執行而且還有一些在地熱還有在碳封存方面的一些新的一個計畫 |
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那這邊還是請委員能夠給我們不要凍結不要減淚讓我們有足夠的這個預算去爭取國內更多的油鹽自主的比例 |
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我看到中油在108年執行率40了109年34、10年43、11年36那當然董事長說去年的執行率是接近百分之百那今年的預算就是2024年預算又比在增加了13億左右了那這樣的執行狀況董事長還是確定可以如期來執行完成 |
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接下來請楊卓英委員 |
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謝謝主席因為今天是在審預算那審預算如果說我們看到的預算是比去年度是增加多少比前年前前年的預算的執行率還有多出將近你們所編列的大概一半的預算 |
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所以我們會要求要了解你增加的預算是要做什麼那你預計你投資是幾年度的預算還是總額是多少因為這個我們都要對民眾有所交代那如果說只有一個數字我們完全不知道它的內容你看這本預算要給你審理我就審了 |
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主席 |
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到底是你的計畫到底是幾年還是只有今年還是只有三年還是只有像以往的也有十幾年我們不知道所以不知道怎麼審這本預算那所以呢 |
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因為我所提的28案是依照你們前5年執行率以及你們今年度所增加的預算去做總和那所以我真的非常的希望我們在審預算的時候是可以知道內容 |
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中油股份有限公司：台灣中油股份有限公司：台灣中油股份有限公司：台灣中油股份有限公司：台灣中油股份有限公司：台灣中油股份有限公司：台灣中油股份有限公司：台灣中油股份有限公司： |
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就是就探勘費用的部分就是你們現在有哪些礦區探勘的狀態跟有些新增的部分或許費用會大幅增加的部分有去跟楊瓊玉委員做說明嗎?跟趙偉跟委員說明有到辦公室曲南瑞委員不方便所以有跟主任說明 |
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112年的決算數是49 49.98億那預算是50億所以執行率大概是99% |
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那因為這次增加了13億嘛,就50億不能增加13億的部分,如果著雨凍結給予你們一些壓力主席,不是說去年度怎樣今年度怎樣,因為你們的內容有所調整因為有的是已經完成,有的是要新開,我們不知道這個內容是什麼本席在講的意思就是說,你這一筆預算我們不知道內容,我們怎麼隔空抓要 |
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而且我還最最要了解就是說你新的礦區你是已經簽訂了我要5年計畫10年計畫20年甚至有30年刀那是不是有這樣的情況不能這樣怎麼審預算主席我建議凍結3億啦去詳細報告給委員們齁我們再行書面報告再行解凍好不好就凍3億好了啦好來各位委員們意見凍結先凍結3億然後提詳細的書面報告 |
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那本席的提案我就改成主決議好如果沒有意見的話我們第28案到第36案我們就凍結三議然後提書面報告後時的動之那謝一鳳委員的案子也改成主決議好謝謝來接下來我們看第37案那正我們24案我們就 |
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第37案 |
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三十七案其實建請免疫減三跟凍結啦因為其實這個管理費用主要是在總公司的用年費用還有包括中油大樓的固定影印支出的一個部分事實上這個決算已經都連兩年都超過預算了 |
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因為陳昭明委員不在,我們就不予處理,這個案子我們預算就照列。好,第38案。 陳昭明委員改成主決議 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].start |
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7324.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
各位委員有沒有意見? |
| transcript.whisperx[248].start |
7350.746 |
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7352.587 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
第38案預算照列銀業費用第39案至第44案並案討論第39案至第44案 |
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跟委員報告事實上這部分就是中油大樓的一些固定營業的支出那包括很多的這個土地地價稅等等那這兩年其實決算都已經超過預算了去年決算16.99億預算是16.27億 |
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7409.639 |
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阿你也很老欸所以我說整本都失真阿你去年的決算就已經是16.9你今年給我編16.8阿你明年還要預算並決算再增加阿你不笑欸 |
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為什麼不要把它弄真的因為你不管全國各地的地價稅每一個縣市不一樣不要這樣子變略預算隨便便宜行事嘛你現在董事長你這麼回答我們真的不知道怎麼給你通過欸你去年的是16點你知道嗎你已經16點九了要17了你現在又今年給我變16點八你裡面唱多少歌 |
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不要這樣子欺騙我們這一個數字嘛你去年決算是16.9那為什麼113年又編16.8?為什麼比例比較少?事實上我們還是在有一些內部準決的一些希望能夠讓費用不要那你去年沒有準決囉?欸都有其實是都在那邊去年有準決16.9啊你今年編16.8你唱多少役在這台隊啦? |
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因為你那個地價稅啊 地價稅各縣市市會長不會降啊你不可能比這樣還要低嘛所以除非你有彈性的很多是藏在裡面的沒有沒有 |
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那個跟趙偉文報告,事實上這裡頭有一大部分是在用人費用,那用人費用其實公司這幾年的那個你不要每一次,董事長,我不好意思插你的話,不要每一次的項目都是用人費用用人費用就固定多少人,多少 |
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7493.036 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
4月25日及27日二天一次會議 |
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那其他的部分包括稅捐跟規費的部分是1億6千多萬所以剛剛董事長也沒有胡說16億裡面其實12億多是用人的費用那如果說楊委員您原來的提案是減列6億的話那其實就會砍到大幅的這個用人費用的部分所以我是不是具體建議 |
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這個我們就預算照列好不好 那個因為正面採委員的部分已經有改成主決議 那楊委員您的部分要不要有一個主決議還是什麼我是這樣子啊 你凍結兩千萬 然後你就把它理清楚 因為我之所以提我就很希望就我看到都覺得很奇怪 |
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你的用人會減少嗎?你的地價稅會減少嗎?你去年的決算是16.9億所以你整本是怎麼炒的?你已經去年是16.9億你今年編列16.8億第一個有可能你用人少第二個地價稅減第三個你管理費用少你有這個能耐嗎?我不相信所以我建議要凍結2000萬你去把那個項目理清楚順便資料出來 |
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7588.035 |
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7599.407 |
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我本席再一次強調我們一直希望大家共體時間然後預算不管怎樣共體時間預算你還是用真的好不好好來那如果凍結2000萬病題書面報告來 |
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7602.871 |
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7620.911 |
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那個跟趙委員報告事實上去年決算會這麼多是因為基本工資調整嘛什麼國有調整那事實上我在編這個預算的時候是參考因為我是111年年底編的嘛到112年年初調整的嘛所以當時我是依據111年的決算是15.95億 |
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7623.974 |
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7625.055 |
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但是這個預算是在去年就編了? |
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7670.188 |
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六七月份勞動部還會再開啊對不對也因為因應電價漲價調高他們也會把這個原因弄到勞動部他們開的這個這個最低薪資的審議委員會啊這個在前天我們已經已經在勞動部昨天啊在勞動部的內政委員會已經有未完委員會有說過啦所以從頭到尾我都希望說你們要實際去了解 |
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接下來我們看第45案因為提案委員不在我們就預算照列 |
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7693.697 |
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7712.304 |
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好來接下來我們繼續處理第46案張家俊委員策案我們處理47 48這個利息費用的部分那有賴瑞榮委員跟邱志偉委員賴委員您要不要 |
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第49案到第51案的部分 |
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7762.5 |
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總統要不要說明還是 這個還是建請委員民意凍結因為事實上我們幾個主要項目用在牽管管線方面的一個費用還有包括污染整治方面的費用還有包括一些牧民方面相對的這些費用還是請委員能夠來支持來嚴委員那個總市長決算多少 |
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我們看到你執行率是75%接下來項目有沒有增加? |
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大概就是這些最主要還是管綫遷改 還有包括對對 污染整治方面所以你執行不了啊那就是說管綫遷改其實涉及到很多問題有的時候要有很多條件配合那甚至有的時候碰到民眾的抗爭那執行大概都會有困難對啊對啊 那我們還是努力要去做管綫的遷改讓整個城市更安全 |
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| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
委員會主席 |
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7833.609 |
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| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
市長市長市長 |
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7865.757 |
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斷絕1000萬,然後你們去把你們今年度要做的,您也順利資料出來給我們,那我們來看看那個成效好不好? |
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好 |
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| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
第52案物料存貨陳婷菲委員提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[274].end |
7918.607 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
來 那個 董事長要不要說明跟 跟召委跟委員報告 事實上這邊物料的部分還是 最主要是說 隨著近年來的物價持續升高 所以我的採購成本增加嘛 採購成本增加自然庫存的金額就會攀升啦 所以還是建請免以減三來 廷飛有沒有意見 |
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| transcript.whisperx[275].end |
7937.195 |
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好那我們就預算照列好接下來我們請看轉投資計畫的部分第53案增加投資的部分日文委員您這個要不要改成主決議 |
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| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
7963.173 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
我跟趙委跟委員報告事實上接下來這幾個轉投資的案子最主要是中東地區我們天然氣的一個投資案那這個也是為了要穩定國內天然氣的一個來源那這部分是還是見行為能夠給予支持讓我們能夠天然氣的韌性相關的建設能夠陸續上來好那我就該組決議了請中油加油 |
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| transcript.whisperx[277].end |
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好第53案那日容委員的提案就改成主決議那第54案55案就預算照列好接下來我們請看第56案到59案固定資產的部分來請中游說明56案我已經簽名同意改為主決議好第56案改成主決議那50 |
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瑞隆瑞隆你有沒有意見要不要改成主決議好那我們第58案也改成主決議就預算照列好接下來我們請看第60案那李玉玲委員不在我們就不處理預算照列請看61案那瑞隆委員的提案 |
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董事長請說明這邊我們還是建議委員免於凍結那我們來修改提案的文字依照委員這邊辦公室的字眼來修改 |
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這個是這樣因為接下來在週季二期這邊的大油大林的石化的相關儲運中心計畫那我希望這一塊還是要終於要妥善的來做一些處理然後包括他的安全包括管線包括一些工程的部分的還是要請妥善來處理那是不是就提一個書面報告給我好嗎 |
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好不好就改組決議然後提個書面報告給我好那我們第61案改組決議並提書面報告好第62案邱志偉委員的提案那邱志偉委員不在我們就預算照列第63案邱志偉委員不在我們就預算照列第64案賴瑞榮委員的提案這個董事長發現說明 |
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這邊一樣有跟委員辦公室向說明過啦齁那委員辦公室也有做一些文字的一個修改好因為接下來這個接受戰還是相當重要啦齁那我還希望我改組決議好不好那文字上做一些修正好不好那這個請提書面報告給我啦齁好那我們就文字修正改成組決議齁並提書面報告那預算照列 |
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接下來我們請看第65、66案我們併案處理那因為兩位委員不在我們就預算照列67案、68案分別有邱智武委員、賴瑞榮委員的提案這邊也有跟賴委員辦公室做過說明那辦公室也有修正提案的一個文字內容 |
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好,這個一樣提,那就修正文字好不好,一樣改為主決議好,那第68案我們就一樣文字修正並改成主決議預算照列好,接下來我們請看69案到70億案分別有本席的是改成主決議了那分別有邱志偉委員、李玉琳委員那兩位委員都不在,那我們就預算照列 |
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好來接下來主決議的部分第72案這邊就遵照辦理好遵照通過來73案73案這邊委員已經同意我們的文字修改有修正文字嗎有有修正文字你們唸一下好不好 |
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就在最後倒數第三行就是改成未達成2025年地熱目標然後請中油公司於6個月內向經濟委員會提出書面報告呈現相關計畫之目標期程及分年預算編列情況這委員簽過字就這樣一個文字修改好 最主要是因為再生能演唱會這個沒辦法達到20%地熱那部分要趕快加強好不好 |
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第74宗召辦理宗召辦理宗召辦理宗召辦理宗召辦理宗召辦理 |
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公司向本院經濟委員會提送書面報告以立研發專區設立之效率 |
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好那文字照修正好通過好第85案85案遵照辦理張恩通過86案遵照辦理張恩通過87案遵照辦理張恩通過88案遵照辦理張恩通過89案遵照辦理90案89案照案通過對不起90案93建議文字修改來請唸一下 |
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就是說在第二段第二段原要求經濟部台灣中油公司把經濟部刪除就是台灣中油公司在兩個月內針對就刪除經濟部的部分好好那我照修正文字通過91案91案一樣就是把倒數第四行原要求經濟部台灣中油公司把經濟部刪除好 |
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中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算 |
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改稱台灣中油公司5GAIOT推動辦公室以新創公司媒合情況的書面報告好照文字修正通過90萬90萬遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦理遵照辦 |
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好,委員簽名了這個好,那就照修正文字通過好,98案98一樣就是說我們在委員也簽名了在最後一行提出專欄報告改成書面報告好,來照文字修正通過99案99案一樣委員也簽名了一樣在最後提出專欄報告改成提出書面報告好,照文字修正通過100案 |
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一百零一案委員也簽名了最後一行提出專案報告改成提出書面報告好一百零一案照文字修正通過一百零一案一百零一案委員也簽名了最後一行提出專案報告改成提出書面報告好照文字修正通過一百零二案 |
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第27屆議案主決議要求4月電價調漲導致中油增加支出部分不得漲油價變相轉嫁給民眾委員楊瓊英等提案第23屆議案主決議 |
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中油高鏈廠林靜芝宿舍區雖位於住宅區但其用電系工業用電。藉請中油公司在該宿舍區改為民生用電計費前應與宿舍區居民溝通並積極與台電公司溝通合理計價方案之外在合理計價方案推出前由中油公司暫行補貼電費以維護宿舍區居民權益提案人委員奈瑞榮等 |
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好來我們先處理七之一案來請總統表示意見報告委員是不是我們可以在不當漲油價變相轉價給民眾加兩個字不得不當漲油價變相轉價給民眾七之一資料有沒有發送過去在您的桌上科長有沒有發是不是可以加兩個字不當不當 |
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因為中油的油價是浮動的所以你不能寫就是我們不好寫說不得漲油價啦就是他講不當漲油價因為他油價本來就是浮動的那接下來有可能油價本來就是上上下下的動那你只要任何一動的話是不是這樣整個框柱他完全不能動他本來就油價隨著油價在波動沒有啦前面已經有個前提8億那部分啦 |
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前面有個前提嘛,就是為了這8億的,你不能用這8億去漲油價啦,跟不到沒有關係,跟不到沒有關係,你家的不到反而奇怪了,前面有個前提嘛,前面有個前提是因為4月份的電價調漲 |
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4月電價調漲陳庭輝先發言好不好 |
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我想我們都尊重提案的委員因為確實你這樣說我們目前中油就是一個浮動的那這樣子寫會容易造成誤解那現在我們的委員希望的是針對4月電價調漲這一區塊所增加的部分 |
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那是不是把他寫得更清楚因為你只有寫這幾個字說要求4月定價調漲導致中油增加支出的部分這個那個語意不是很清楚會容易造成誤解 |
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現在是兩部分阿姊姊今天的問題本來是說你這個8億支出已經發生了嘛對不對那本來我們今天應該把你的預算退回去那可是現在看起來有困難嘛現在很多委員都這樣講所以我們做了一個退已經做了一個退讓你知道嗎沒有現在兩個方式要嘛就預算退回去把它弄好以後就不會有剛剛有人質疑這個問題嘛那可是今天因為很多委員在講說不要這麼硬所以我們在接受用一個組結議那 |
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這個條文老蔣講的很清楚阿就是你只要不是針對那8億去做漲價的變相轉價給民眾價就好了這文字OK阿有什麼地方要再修他是針對那8億啦不是說叫你完整不能漲啦我建議文字上是不是要修正了就要求中油公司不得因2024年4月電價調漲漲油價變相轉價給民眾這會不會更清楚一點 |
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要求中油公司不得因2024年4月份電價調漲漲油價並向轉嫁給民眾 |
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就單指這一次的事件我會影響到你未來你的那個我請教各位委員齁他的文字這樣寫齁你4月份的電價調漲導致中油的成本增加嗎對不對好那你後面寫不得漲油價變向轉嫁民眾我不知道中油應該怎麼執行你這樣會你是說4月份的都不能漲價還是說未來都不能漲價 |
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我覺得我知道大家的意思就是說中油不得變相漲價然後去轉嫁到民眾身上嘛但是這樣的寫法會誤導而且會變成中油在執行上會有困難因為中國的油價本來就是浮動的那我們如果立法院的決議用不得漲價這四個字框住他的話中油在執行上會面臨到 |
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有些至愛難行的部分所以我們是不是在思考一下文字上我們怎麼樣去做一些調整或者是說我們用不得變相 |
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大漲油價 |
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你們把它寫得更完整說就是那個區塊那因為那個區塊本來就不會影響到我們現在所謂浮動油價的計算方式啊因為你本來就是用原油的我們的計算方式是用原油的價格所以但是你這樣寫兩個end就不知道 |
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本來不是兩個end啦 前面那個是前提嘛 前面那個是前提 有這個前提下才會...那把那個八一加上去嗎? |
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現在人說的喔? |
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8836.099 |
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沒有啦 沒有啦 現在人說的喔? |
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8836.099 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
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沒有啦 沒有啦 現在人說的喔? |
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| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
8838.72 |
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沒有啦 沒有啦 現在人說的喔? |
| transcript.whisperx[316].start |
8838.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
8839.661 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
沒有啦 沒有啦 現在人說的喔? |
| transcript.whisperx[317].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
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沒有啦 沒有啦 現在人說的喔? |
| transcript.whisperx[318].start |
8840.141 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
8842.422 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
沒有啦 沒有啦 現在人說的喔? |
| transcript.whisperx[319].start |
8842.422 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].end |
8843.703 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].text |
沒有啦 沒有啦 現在人說的喔? |
| transcript.whisperx[320].start |
8843.703 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].end |
8844.523 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].text |
沒有啦 沒有啦 現在人說的喔? |
| transcript.whisperx[321].start |
8844.523 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].end |
8845.664 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].text |
沒有啦 沒有啦 沒有啦 現在人說的喔? |
| transcript.whisperx[322].start |
8845.664 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].end |
8854.549 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].text |
沒有啦 沒有啦 沒有啦 沒有啦 沒有啦 沒有啦 沒有啦 沒有啦 沒有啦 沒有啦 沒有啦 沒有啦 沒有啦 沒有啦 沒有啦 沒有啦 沒有啦 沒有啦 沒有啦 沒有啦 沒有啦 沒有啦 沒有啦 沒有啦 沒有啦 沒有啦 沒有啦 沒有啦 沒有啦 沒有啦 沒有啦 沒有啦 沒有啦 沒有啦 沒有啦 沒有啦 沒有啦 沒有啦 沒有 |
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| transcript.whisperx[323].text |
現在我們的藍綠白藍綠白大家都支持不要因為突發在3月21號電價評議委員會 |
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| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
8892.174 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
這個漲價導致你增加你講的8億是不是屬實啊出估啦出估剛有報告出估約8億啦今年度的電價約增加8億啦就是這一個8億不能轉嫁到消費者嘛對不對大家的意見是不是同意這個方向嘛對吧 |
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那要不要就這樣寫就好了?來!楊委員我建議是不是讓他這樣寫就好?就是你這個八一部分不得轉嫁給消費者這樣就好了?這樣是不是就清楚?你不要親自講到油價,因為油價本來就在波動,它本來就是浮動。油價把這個跟成本這一塊把它切開來做處理。你說不能漲什麼?那個賴樂文委員? |
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我的意思是說你就是大家現在就這一次的8億的這個成本增加大約8億但是不得轉嫁給消費者這樣就好不得轉嫁給消費者這樣就清楚了嘛 |
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那他賣的,你賣的就是油價,民眾要的是油價,不然你要怎麼樣去,不然你自行吸收?阿不然現在是,現在是你能夠面膜本來一百塊賣八十塊,不然現在是要怎樣?因為他接下來是他的所有的一些支出的部分,收支會在未來的決算的時候會再做一些處理啦,那這個八一就是將來看怎麼樣來做處理,但是不會跟他的油價做 |
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委員會長 |
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中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位 |
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發言委員：中油股份有限公司：台灣中油股份有限公司 |
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立法院第11屆第12會議 |
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委員會主席 |
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主席 |
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委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會 |
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申請慰勞,預工託都可以。 |
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有限公司在亞洲有限公司有限公司有限公司有限公司有限公司有限公司有限公司有限公司 |
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國務委員長 |
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委員會主管委員會主管委員會主管 |
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議員會議員會議員會議 |
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委員會主席 |
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委員會主席 |
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第11屆第1會期經濟部主管：台灣中油股份有限公司：台灣中油股份有限公司 |
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OK |
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我們先處理後面一案這一案等你們文字修正好我們再來回頭處理我們先處理23-1的主決議 |
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二天一次會議二天一次會議二天一次會議二天一次會議 |
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來那個 內容你要不要跟博弈聯絡一下好不好 |
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那個23之一現在我們如果把文字稍微修正調整一下就是在最後倒數第二行我們把在合理計費方案推出前由中油公司暫行補貼電費這句話劃掉好我們把這句話劃掉然後就是 |
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二十三之一我們就把那個之外在合理計費方案推出前由中油公司暫行補貼電費這幾個字劃掉然後照這個案子這樣修正好不好中油公司是一個公司治理人家要補貼很奇怪 |
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他們的寫法不精準主要是因為這個宿舍他是用工業用電去計價他不是用住宅用電 |
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我們現在就是把補貼電費那些過掉啦讓他們去參考啦大家沒有意見我們就照修正通過我們就遵照辦理我已經剛好領過了來你看一下好那我們現在看好 |
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23-1就照修正文字通過接下來我們看7-1我們現在的文字調整是我念一下中油公司不得因113年3月21日電價評議委員會決議電價調漲所增加支出部分轉嫁給消費者 |
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宣讀協商結論 |
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宣讀中油公司預算案結論第1至第7案業務計畫向下環境保護凍結3%提出書面報告後使得凍資第8至14案其中第9案第11案改為主決議業務計畫向下工業安全凍結1000萬元提出書面報告後使得凍資 |
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第15案16案預算照列本2案均改為主決議第17案測案第18案至23案預算照列其中20案測案令19案21案22案23案均改為主決議24案通案部分以下提案已處理 |
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第25案營業成本原油運費凍結100萬元提出書面報告後使得凍資第26案27案照26案通過 |
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第28至36案其中32案33案34案均改為主決議營業成本向下探勘費用凍結3億元提出書面報告後使得凍資第37案預算照列本案改為主決議第38案預算照列第39至44案 |
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其中42案改為主決議管理費用凍結2000萬元提出書面報告後時的凍資第45案預算照列第46至48案預算照列其中46案測案47案改為主決議 |
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9710.2 |
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第49至五十一案營業外費用向下雜項費用凍結一千萬元提出書面報告後使得動之第五十二案預算照列第五十三案預算照列本案改為主決議第五十四案五十五案預算照列 |
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第56至59案預算照列其中56案58案均改為主決議第60案預算照列第61案預算照列本案改為主決議第62案預算照列第63案預算照列第64案預算照列本案文字修正後改為主決議第65案66案預算照列 |
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第67案68案預算照列其中第68案文字修正後改為主決議第69至71案預算照列其中71案改為主決議主決議部分72案照案通過73案修正通過74案至83案照案通過84案修正通過85案至89案照案通過90案91案 |
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9292修正通過9393照案通過9494修正通過9596照案通過97-101修正通過102-105照案通過新增決議71修正通過23-1修正通過宣讀完畢 |
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我再補宣告一下剛剛我們的7-1案中油公司不得因113年3月22日電價評議委員會的決議剛主席唸成21號是3月22日所以那個再請議事人員把文字再稍微修正一下 |
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那請問各位同仁委員提案的部分照剛剛宣讀的結論通過沒有提案的部分均照列或隨同調整請問有無異議沒有異議的話我們就通過通過之決議文字授權主席及議事人員整理那我們今日所列議程處理完略散會謝謝大家好謝謝謝謝召委謝謝主席 |
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立法院第11屆第12會議 |
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議員會議員會議員會議 |
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9909.934 |
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主席 |