| IVOD_ID |
157586 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157586 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-28 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-19-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
18 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第18次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-28T10:13:23+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-28T10:20:17+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:06:54 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/9b765842ec25796689d9a089aa0862e8a85017ab97aa926f6f2411ecd13e000b2b651861cc72ae2f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:13:23 - 10:20:17 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-11-28T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第18次全體委員會議（事由：審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於公平交易委員會單位預算及附屬單位預算非營業部分關於公平交易委員會主管：反托拉斯基金。(詢答)） |
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主席、各位委員、有請主委請你主委委員長主委好根據114年度公平會的預算這個罰金、罰員的這個本年度的預算數跟上年度的預算數這個是一樣 |
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如果我們看這個前年度的結算數只有2451萬這個是前年度的112年度的結算數所以如果這個結算數跟當時的112年度的預算數有多少的落差 |
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我想這個是有落差那跟委員說為什麼會有落差因為我們每一個處罰當事人會去訴訟那我們必須要等到訴訟官司打贏了這個當事人繳錢之後才能入庫所以這個預算跟決算這中間會有落差好我們看這個這個你們在10月7號答覆本席因為有質詢你們有答覆本席的部分 |
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這個是第一個案這個罰了這個兩千五百萬第二個案罰了一千一百萬這個是已經入庫了嗎還是還沒有這有一件還在訴訟當中還在訴訟所以你們罰他之後他提起他會提起訴訟目前都在訴訟中會先從訴願嗎 |
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提行政訴訟 直接向行政法院提訴訟提行政訴訟 不先從訴院開始 訴院再訴院我直接就行政訴訟 |
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前年度結算數 |
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只要417萬,你們原來就編這麼少嗎?還是112年度?我們編列大概會參考上一年度,大概都是這些數字上下。但是這個今年度跟明年度高很多,比這個112年度的決算數高很多。 |
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你們再順便說明好了我們順便再跟您說明有一些偵檢這個小事情但是我想不需要占很多的紙張非本會主管業務主決議那些可以不用列了不然要列很多我只是列幾個部分了要省紙張 |
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這裡面這個114年度的預算書裡面提到這個113年度的這個一些立法院的決議這裡面要特別我們要去透過這樣的一個決議然後你們的辦理情形 |
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然後我之前也一再的強調相關的這些因為網路越來越發達的情況之下網路越來越發達然後相關的這些網路詐騙也就利用這樣的一個機制然後很多的這個人民就受害所以這個部分是我一再 |
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這希望那個我們公平會你在這個第一線因為涉及到雖然我們已經有這個打詐釋法但是你如果一直要到後面的刑事判決還不如亦為防範對不對事先防範而事先防範除了讓人民知道要小心不要被詐騙之外 |
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更重要的公平會去查查這些網路的這些不實的無論是不實的廣告或是不實的類似像剛才我舉的那個案例去你們罰了嘛對不對類似像這樣的就是要去加強所以有時候 |
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有時候是因為我們的法律趕不上網路的或是詐騙的多元所以必須要去修法這裡面你也提了你們修了但是只是修了原則只是修了你們公平交易法相關的這些行政規則那有沒有需要修到公平交易法 |
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我想剛剛委員關心的這些現象其實是在執行方面的問題所以首先我們是透過相關的這個執法去修訂那當然我們的網路監控我們有專案的這個網路監控做這些處理所以這個因為你的有一計畫最後一段的一計畫而後將持續推動公平交易法修法 |
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因為這個部分是這樣當然因為在打詐釋法的時候並沒有提到你們的法啦是都是其他的法但是我一直在強調前面的一個因為不管是警察那個都是後端的或是尤其是法官那個那個都是後端的所以這個部分要請這個公平會持續的來加強該修法的就修法行政規則能夠透過行政規則的當然就是基金當然 |
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積極的去去去預為防範會更重要謝謝 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：（10時13分）主席、各位委員。有請主委。 |
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主席：請李主委。 |
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李主任委員鎂：委員早。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：主委好。根據114年度公平會的預算，罰金罰鍰的部分，本年度的預算數跟上年度的預算數是一樣，如果我們看前年度的決算數，只有2,451萬，這個是前（112）年度的決算數，這個決算數跟當時112年度的預算數有多少的落差？ |
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李主任委員鎂：我想這個是有落差，跟委員說明為什麼會有落差，因為我們每一個處罰，當事人會去訴訟，我們要必須要等到訴訟官司打贏了、當事人繳錢之後才能入庫，所以預算跟決算中間會有落差。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：好，我們看本席之前質詢，然後你們在10月7日答復本席的部分，第一個案罰了2,500萬，第二個案罰了1,100萬，這個是已經入庫了還是還沒有？ |
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李主任委員鎂：有一件還在訴訟當中。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：所以你們罰了之後，他提起…… |
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李主任委員鎂：他會提起訴訟。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：會先從訴願嗎？ |
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李主任委員鎂：目前都在訴訟中。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：會先從訴願嗎？ |
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李主任委員鎂：提行政訴訟，直接向行政法院提訴訟。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：提行政訴訟，不先從訴願開始？訴願再訴願，還是直接就行政訴訟？ |
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李主任委員鎂：直接行政訴訟。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：好，所以這個部分是會有時間…… |
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李主任委員鎂：時間的落差。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：好，這個部分還是要請公平會積極地來處理，因為你這邊要做好處理，人民才不會受害。 |
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李主任委員鎂：是的。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：好，我們看你的預算書關於出國的部分，前（112）年度決算數只有417萬，你們原來就編這麼少嗎？ |
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李主任委員鎂：我們編列時會參考上一年度，大概都是這些數字上下。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：但是今年度和明年度比112年度的決算數高很多，你們再用書面說明好了。 |
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李主任委員鎂：好，我們再用書面跟您說明，有一些增減。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：好。再來，這個是小事情，但是我想不需要占很多的紙張，就是非本會主管業務，這個主決議那些可以不用列，不然要列很多，我只是列舉這幾個部分，要省紙張。 |
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李主任委員鎂：是。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：114年度的預算書裡面提到113年度一些立法院的決議，這裡面要特別提到的是，我們要透過這樣的決議，然後你們的辦理情形，我之前也一再地強調，因為在網路越來越發達的情況之下，相關的網路詐騙也會利用這樣的機制，導致很多人民受害，所以這個部分我一再地希望公平會，你在第一線，因為涉及到……雖然我們已經有打詐四法，但是你如果一直要到後面的刑事判決，還不如預為防範、事先防範，而事先防範除了讓人民知道要小心、不要被詐騙之外，更重要的是公平會要去查察這些網路的不實，無論是不實的廣告，或是不實的，類似像剛才我舉的那個案例，你們罰了嘛，對不對？類似像這樣的，就是要去加強。 |
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李主任委員鎂：是。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：所以有時候是因為我們的法律趕不上網路或是詐騙的多元，所以必須要去修法，這裡面你也提到你們修了，但只是修了原則，只是修了公平交易法相關的行政規則，有沒有需要修到公平交易法？ |
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李主任委員鎂：我想剛剛委員關心的這些現象，其實是在執行方面的問題，所以首先我們是透過相關的子法去修訂，當然我們的網路監控，我們有專案的網路監控做這些處理。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：因為你有寫到一句話，最後一段的一句話，爾後將持續推動公平交易法修法。 |
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李主任委員鎂：是。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：這個部分是這樣，當然因為在打詐四法的時候並沒有提到你們的法，都是其他的法，但是我一直在強調前面，因為像警察那個都是後端，尤其是法官那個都是後端了啦！所以這個部分要請公平會持續地來加強，該修法的就修法，能夠透過行政規則的，當然就去積極……當然，積極地去預為防範更重要。 |
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李主任委員鎂：是。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：好，謝謝。 |
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主席：請張嘉郡委員質詢。 |
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54 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_id |
委員會-11-2-19-18 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[0] |
呂玉玲 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[1] |
陳亭妃 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[2] |
林岱樺 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[3] |
邱議瑩 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[4] |
鄭正鈐 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[5] |
張啓楷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[6] |
楊瓊瓔 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[7] |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[8] |
張嘉郡 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[9] |
謝衣鳯 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[10] |
賴瑞隆 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[11] |
邱志偉 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[12] |
洪孟楷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[13] |
王鴻薇 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[14] |
陳超明 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[15] |
蔡易餘 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[16] |
葉元之 |
| gazette.agenda.page_start |
1 |
| gazette.agenda.meetingDate[0] |
2024-11-28 |
| gazette.agenda.gazette_id |
11310801 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_lcidc_ids[0] |
11310801_00002 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_name |
立法院第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第18次全體委員會議紀錄 |
| gazette.agenda.content |
審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於公平交易委員會單位預算及附屬單位預算非營業部分關於公
平交易委員會主管：反托拉斯基金（詢答） |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_id |
11310801_00001 |