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| 委員名稱 |
吳秉叡 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:41:30 - 09:51:54 |
| 影片長度 |
624 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-11-28T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期財政委員會第10次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、審計部陳審計長瑞敏率所屬單位主管列席業務報告，並備質詢。
二、審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案有關主計總處暨審計部、審計部臺北市審計處、審計部新北市審計處、審計部桃園市審計處、審計部臺中市審計處、審計部臺南市審計處、審計部高雄市審計處部分。（詢答及處理）
三、審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案有關直轄市及縣市政府。調整軍公教人員待遇準備。災害準備金。第二預備金。（詢答及處理）
【預算提案截止時間：11月26日（二）中午12時】
【11月25日及28日二天一次會】） |
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財政部國務署陳署長 |
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委員好我看了你們今天財政部的報告那裡面有寫到最近五年就是108年度到112年度整體地方政府財政收支決算審定數都有剩餘是總數剩餘嗎總數剩餘有沒有個別縣市比較特別的應該有一兩個縣市是減少金門跟桃園是 |
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是虧損是有那個短處總數是剩餘那怎麼樣的縣市會短處金門跟桃園金門的財政狀況這麼好他也在短處金門、桃園大概都是近幾年他們一些公共建設支出項目比較多金門的公共建設還是金門的社會福利高於其他的縣市這個 |
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因為統計的數字是整體的這五年來有119億到608億元之間的 |
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這個剩餘另外整體地方政府財政的比例由103年103年其實是10年11年前然後到112年就整個10年間它的佔比從5.56%的負債降到3.69%所以得出結論說地方財政狀況已有改善那我就要問一個問題每一年都剩餘 |
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那如果沒有說要多做什麼事啊從中央要多撥要現在他們那個財政收支劃分法一口氣要拿那麼多錢去啊是要幹什麼?啊就已經剩餘了啊是啊就已經有錢了啊啊有錢了還要多拿六千塊下去啊每一個縣市分分的如果你事權沒有下放光拿這個錢去是要幹什麼?如果目前的事權沒有改變的話 |
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目前大概就是去降低他的我想說這個應該有政務官來回答請主計長主計長你剛有聽到政府年來平均的總體 |
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一百多億到六百多億之間的盈餘當然這麼多的縣市少數因為公共建設支出比較多一兩個縣市有minus其他都是plus連續五年都這樣那我剛剛那個問題如果你事權沒有下放現在依照統籌分配稅款的這些版本要多拿六千多億去是要幹什麼 |
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是,這個部分我再補充說明一下這個部分如果說6000多億分下去因為它又指定說補助一般縣市2501又要維持那這樣子就有將近9000多億要下放到地方那這個部分我們會談到的就是說其實這樣總數會達到21% |
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財源21會移到地方去但是我們相對的其實當初當初裡面有11%是屬於省政府的業務那事前並沒有相對跟著移走所以這個部分就會影響到對阿所以你聽清楚我的問題再回答嘛我就去說過去的5年每一年的地方的政府 |
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他的財政總數都是Plus啦從119億到648億那長期的債務也從5.56降到3.69個百分點也降了很多啦等於是降掉降到五分之二啦剩下原來的五分之三啦財政狀況一直在好轉 |
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那我舉個例子某個縣市今年連續5年財政都是正的結算之後都是正的這個時候如果市權不增加突然之間要給他很多錢那他要怎麼辦我也不知道這個政府要怎麼辦啊因為市權如果沒有增加他拿到那麼多錢他要花到哪裡去啊 |
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因為以我們來出估就是如果說他用我們統籌統籌分配稅和一般縣市補助下去他自己自有的財源都不用用他自己的財源就會多出來那多出來這個部分沒有相關的事權下去去分配那包括全民健保還有包括老農津貼這相關的經過現在都是中央但是這涉及到修訂要修正相關的一個法規這個包括那個地質法包括那個 |
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所以我一再在這邊講說錢跟權事跟要做的事跟你要用的錢要整體考量而不是光只有考慮於錢那事情大家沒有分配那這個時候你突然之間增加那麼多錢你也不知道要怎麼用啊因為我們這個不是說我可以把它拿到銀行去存那個概念不能夠用個人的理財來看一個政府 |
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主席陳審計長 |
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我看你的那個結算報告各個縣市的財政狀況最糟糕的還是苗栗縣對縣市來講對啦縣市啦他不但這個長期就一年以上的非自償債務所謂的我們現在講的償債是207億他甚至為了要去 |
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復合那個規範一年以下的就是未滿一年的這個債務所謂的短債他有143億實際上短債這麼多是匪夷所思的因為他的短債就比他的幾乎要跟他一年之間的縣政府的預算要相同那現在總統常債短債加起來350億這樣算是財政有改善了嗎 |
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435.7 |
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他最慘的時候最低迷的時候是400多億所以400幾億差不多102年的400是改善了一些但是進度很慢而且離目標還很遠是不是離目標還很遠離那個要行政院的財政控管還有一段距離行政院控管他的財政那你們審計部對這樣的事情有什麼樣的看法到底什麼時候他才能夠正常 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
436.485 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
465.552 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
因為像處理這個我以前像這種有時候都出來的特別統籌會不會可以稅款下去的時候有時候中央有時候要主定他還債中央指引還債會員他就會很窮他就跟你講說我年中獎金發不出來我什麼東西弄不出來那個公關工程的那個到期款我都付不出來啊等於我們要支付轉給我們行政專案還要替他付勒 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
466.172 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
493.875 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
那個特別統籌的時候是另外增加出來的有時候財政狀況好的時候像說稅收增加的時候實際收入數比預算數增加很多的時候類似我們今年其實每一年的年底這幾年都一樣都還會有一條特別的錢給這些縣市政府這個時候你建議要強制他還債這個錢因為他有欠人那麼債還有超過那個法定債限所以像這種的就要給他還債 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
494.716 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
516.609 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
那這有沒有法律的依據?這個審計案下公示的時候就要遭其壓我們下那個健保欠債的時候我們下公示的時候先完健保好那我相信主計長在這邊他也有聽到這個建議當然這是審計部的意見再來也不是只有苗栗市的宜蘭縣的城鎮任控看起來也很不行 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
517.729 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
537.925 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
他已經從管住現在已經我們的審計處有通知他說你有現金你有負債你把它還了後來現在他已經脫離這個債限管住可是你知道嗎他一年以上的這個自然債務的餘額他現在常債就是109億短債還有70億對他數還算總共183億遠超過他一年的預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
545.342 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
564.044 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
對阿這個我們也還在繼續管控阿那我們會給我們的宜蘭縣審計處阿看到有機會的時候就要他還債那我在這邊很多年都一直跟你講苗栗縣他非正式編制員工的那一些約聘僱還有工友技工什麼東西用太多那個部分的管控怎麼樣呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
564.685 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
589.786 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
那個是現在1000多人有增加100多人但是我們查了以後是因為那是都是增加社工人力社會安全網的人力我們是中央主定他要增加所以相對中央要下去的時候可能要叫他一併檢討也不要說一下子增加這麼多當然這個是要慢慢檢討但是以前就是已經提了非常多年了 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
590.246 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
610.454 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
他以前就一再的被指出他這個你剛剛講說中央要他加的那個不算在這個編制內那個算是他合法的編制內頭我講的是合法編制外的還一大堆啊一千多人所以這一部分也拜託你們審計審計單位也要注意這個事情啊要不斷的提醒他他差不多每人都給他審計意見 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
612.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
622.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
給他審計意見他如果不參考也沒有用所以是請監察院來調查一下我們會把這個案子呈報監察院好 謝謝你喔 加油喔好 謝謝 |
| IVOD_ID |
157578 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157578 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-28 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-20-10 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期財政委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-28T09:41:30+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-28T09:51:54+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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