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| 委員名稱 |
黃珊珊 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:55:32 - 11:03:59 |
| 影片長度 |
507 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-11-27T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期財政、經濟委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：審查中華民國113年度中央政府總預算追加預算案。（詢答及處理）
【預算提案截止時間：11月26日（二）中午12時】） |
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謝謝主席我想請董事長跟次長董事長還有我們次長委員長兩位好我想今天針對台電的追加預算還有明年的所謂一千億的公務預算撥補這兩筆錢都是要填補前幾年的虧損是嗎是所以它是過去的錢是 |
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所以現在其實昨天那個董事長來辦會的時候我也問過一句非常簡單的話這樣的填補還要多久還要多少這兩千億是過去那現在那我關心的是未來 |
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我跟委員報告簡單第一個狀況是這樣子就是我們今年度的狀況其實虧損就是已經縮小今年如果以2024年單年來算已經縮小今年縮小到多少 |
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我們現在估算到年底預計的虧損可能是551到600億之間600億所以比1000億少了所以明年1000億撥補是回補以前所以我們接下去每年還要撥補500億到600億嗎我們現在在做幾個事情第一個當然就是減少支出的部分我想委員 |
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我們因為要支持國內的綠能建設的發展然後讓民間能夠買到綠電所以臺電有提出一些短購我們自己買的短購的再生能源我們希望透過電力交易市場能夠逐步的轉出去給企業所以董事長講簡單的就是你不是開源就是節流這節流這是算節流這是節流而已那開源的部分呢 |
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臺電有什麼開源的計畫?臺電如果要開源只剩下少數的非營業不動產的聯合開發以臺電來講過去幾年我們累計下來我過去三年其實臺電大概是法律的限制還是你沒有辦法做還是根本就沒有法規上面就做不到 |
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我們講資產活化任何公家機關都一樣一樣法規有沒有限制沒有限制的話你能不能夠有資產活化的機會我只關心未來臺灣的政府如果還要繼續每年撥補500到600億我們有多少的時間可以去消化這些虧損否則你是不是又要漲電價我現在只關心的是你500億到600億你要多久之後又要漲電價 |
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我現在看到的是你們有在努力的但是效益很低也很少 |
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我們非營業的空間其實沒那麼多啦但是也一年大概折線起來大概算起來一年的營收也有八九十億啦當然包括我們海外的投資等等所以次長我的立場是很簡單第一這填補以前的 |
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對我來說 我想知道 |
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有多少開源的計畫,你要多久補漲電價?你這樣的兩千億撥補進去,你可以撐多久?讓台灣的人民安心的至少在民生用電上面不調漲,一年還是兩年還是三年? |
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我原狀況是這個樣子就是說條不條長我真的不能夠台電董事長講這是第一個 第二個剛才您提到就是我們其實現在在縮短它中間的差額那這個差額的縮短其實另外一個部分就是我們當然講說我們希望能夠透過我們的那個再生能源能夠轉出去以後降低我們的 |
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李卓人議員 |
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貴來幾年還要面對每一年臺電希望來爭取撥補（補貼你們的虧損（有可能繼續發生（如果在不漲電價的狀況下（是嗎我覺得這一個（所以這兩千億不會是（結束這兩千億只是開始報告委員我其實現在沒有辦法非常肯定跟您說這一件事因為現在的國際燃料價格還是在戰前的大概1.6 1.7% |
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董事長,我們討論了半天,其實就在於回到這個,我們現在目前台電的發電量跟購電量是2400億度,但是火力發電目前占比是高達81.9 |
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火力發電它其實就跟國際燃油價格包括國際的這些燃料價格的波動很影響很大所以重點是再生能源趕不上那接下去未來10年我想知道對於這些火力發電的發電量怎麼降低從哪邊補上看起來我們一直在問的是這個問題 |
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如果要影響,不要影響那麼大,你的火力發電量現在可能勢必要往下降,你才有機會講到你剛剛講的填補這個虧損,否則只要他們一打仗,只要他們一發生這種狀況,現在每公噸是135塊美金,那疫情爆發之前大概只有80塊,所以接下去會不會漲,不知道,所以我的意思是很簡單, |
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立法院要知道兩千億是不是結束不是兩千億還會繼續增加更多的撥補還是你可以多久之內做到有可能至少告訴大家說在電價調漲跟撥補之間找到的平衡點我們需要多少時間其實我需要知道的是未來 |
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董事長,我講得很清楚我們知道你的未來我才能知道今年這兩千億給了你將來是不是個無底洞還是永遠都要用這樣的方式所以你們大概可以給我們一個具體的說明跟對於這些的承諾不管是承諾好了至少你有一些具體的做法是吧 |
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對,第一個就是 |
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最後一個小問題就是上次講的我們光 |
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運煤過來的製船費一年20億你們今天跟我說今年會改善因為我們的倉庫弄好了所以但是還要到4億我想問你接下去明年呢後年呢你可以做到比4億更少還是要到4億一年4億還是很多錢跟委員報告那個船期會有一些參差如果提早卸會有快一些的收入晚的話就會有製船費我們明年一定打平 |
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希望打0這是你的承諾喔如果明年還有這筆再被審計處找出來那就董事長自己要負責任了是不能再有這種什麼因為沒有辦法卸貨而放在船上放20億我們撥補才1000億你就20億拿來浪費掉了是 明年如果沒做到董事長負責任今年的4億明年是0我們希望董事長說到做到是好 謝謝好 謝謝珊珊委員接著請李坤城委員質詢 |
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157504 |
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| 日期 |
2024-11-27 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-2-20,19-1 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
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聯席會議 |
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20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
19 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期財政、經濟委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-27T10:55:32+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-27T11:03:59+08:00 |
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