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| 委員名稱 |
羅智強 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:32:55 - 10:44:36 |
| 影片長度 |
701 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-11-27T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會第16次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於考試院及所屬主管收支部分。
二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於考試院考選部主管「考選業務基金」收支部分。
三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於考試院銓敘部主管「公務人員退休撫卹基金」收支部分。
四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於考試院銓敘部主管「公教人員個人專戶制退撫儲金基金」收支部分。
五、審查及處理113年度中央政府總預算關於考試院主管預算凍結項目共4案。
【第一案至第四案僅進行詢答；預算提案於12月3日中午12時截止收件】
【11月25日及27日兩天一次會】） |
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請劉秘書長我們請劉秘書長委員長劉秘書長那個勞動部北分署現容那個霸凌員工導致輕生這個案子你應該已經很瞭解了對不對看媒體的報導很多我想請教因為考試院其實對於公務人員不管是權力保障都是至關重要的單位 |
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所以這一件事情我有兩個面向要來請教一下秘書長或是可以請相關的首長也可以來跟大家釐清一下第一個就是謝宜龍到底要負擔什麼樣的責任在公務員的身份上那他如果是涉及對他的下屬在職場進行霸凌這是第一個面向那第二個面向就是受霸凌致死的這個員工 |
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總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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84.361 |
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88.425 |
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收支部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分 |
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110.703 |
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111.504 |
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收支部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分關於考試院考選部 |
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127.247 |
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131.528 |
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關於考試院考選部主管收支部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分 |
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154.633 |
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177.637 |
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議員議員議員議員議員議員 |
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跟委員報告,我想當然服務法雖然都是有類似的條件,不過更具體的來講就是用烤雞法。我想我們的烤雞法適用到所有的同仁包括主管。所以我要講就是只剩下烤雞的所謂的那個,對,只有打烤雞的問題而已,所以沒有辦法對他有任何的約束。 |
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198.443 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
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216.665 |
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對我理解啦但是這個行政機關裡面就是我要跟部長講今天這件事情我覺得我們文官在相關的一些尤其基層文官我們公務員是處在非常弱勢的情況之下顯然我們在法制上對於公務人員面對這種不合理的爛長官他們的所謂的威迫跟威壓我們的保障是不足的 |
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考試院的部長有沒有針對這個部分覺得說哪些部分可以強化對於基層員工的保障?我想這個部分的保障當然如果基層員工有對於管理的措施有任何 |
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收支部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分關於考試院考選部主管 |
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305.884 |
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我都剛剛還只講奢華我現在先問完再問你這個補強的部分從保障的部分因為現在大家都是說就是就霸凌這個部分並沒有在相關的法律當中有清楚的定位就這個部分法制面的確過去做的不足所以需要來做一些補強所以我們也在研議說從保障法我這樣細部問那個秘書長剛我還講說這位主管這個奢華浪費公帑 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部 |
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324.235 |
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其實霸凌的問題的話如果以現在的處理他有懲戒懲處各種的不同的管道啦就懲戒懲處他現在不在乎懲戒什麼我就舉一個例子喔這位分署長到現在我們覺得國人最無法忍受的地方在哪裡就是說他還蠻會保護自己的 |
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三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部 |
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371.881 |
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現在就是我看勞動部這邊的處理就是把他借兩大過免我講的是你連叫他出來面對真相我們的公務機關連這個能力都沒有你不覺得嗎?不是嗎?我現在講的是懲處當然是一定要懲處因為懲處已經是最低了以他的狀況大家對他介入他在乎這個懲處嗎?了不起不幹這個公務員就算了嘛可是現在你今天鬧出人命 |
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一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
416.736 |
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441.938 |
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已經沒有辦法去約束它嗎?不是嗎?你所感覺的?我覺得如果上級機關能夠多理解下級機關內部的管理狀況的話我就跟你講以現在來講上級機關也失靈了嘛所以你今天靠人其實已經走不通了嘛上級機關今天它上面的署長乃至於前任的勞動部長或現任勞動部長前任勞動部長已經走了,現在勞動部長已經請辭了 |
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那今天回到這個個案那第二個問題我要再請教秘書長也請我們的相關的那個部會我剛剛只是講說今天謝榮的責任的問題顯然今天很明顯的你除了說用考機處分他以外你還真沒有第二個辦法那我也跟 問秘書長事實上其實本來是有個辦法可以把他叫來的你知道吧是什麼辦法你知道吧有一個辦法就立法院如果通過聽證調查 |
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471.092 |
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475.874 |
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收支部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分關於考試業務基金收支部分關於考試業務基金收支部分關於考試業務基金收支部分關於考試業務基金 |
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499.022 |
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519.098 |
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把霸凌的真相完整交代了我跟秘書長說今天為什麼那麼在乎這件事情因為你今天不把整個發生的事件的過程清清楚楚的話你沒有辦法找出原因請問你怎麼樣去做未來的防範呢秘書長你說是吧一定先把事情釐清嘛對不對 |
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520.679 |
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522.081 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
532.369 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
534.511 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分 |
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554.983 |
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560.168 |
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關於考試院考選部主管收支部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分 |
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572.039 |
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575.32 |
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二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分 |
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603.727 |
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624.678 |
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議員報告在我們的保障法裡面移族可以依照這個保障法來提起有關於對於這個事件的再申訴再申訴然後呢然後就會送我講的是實質到底能夠提供家屬什麼樣的一個幫助協助甚至補償賠償有嗎這個在這個程序部的規定 |
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629.48 |
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631.403 |
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我告訴你,你們也只能用自殺死亡這種個案來送啊? |
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646.428 |
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665 |
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自殺死亡的個案來送,對他保障就足夠。就像剛剛翁曉琳委員問的問題,我顯然你們也答不出來。他們提醒國家賠償。對,他可以。你覺得以目前機制他提醒國家賠償的那個成功的機率有多高?因為這是一個個案我們都不清楚,他就跟機關提,機關必須要去。我要特別講啊。 |
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665.72 |
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688.365 |
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今天如果法制上你的規範不足夠的話他在請求權行使上他的後盾就不夠了所以這今天為什麼我今天要跟考試院講說真的拜託不只考試院跟人事行政總處真的要會商一下針對今天這種事情你沒有一個機制面去防堵可以這些所謂的霸凌長官的一個更嚴格的責任跟 |
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689.266 |
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698.682 |
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對於所謂受害公務員能夠提供更多的保障的話這種事件說真的以後可能還會再度發生難道還要等到悲劇再度發生大家才有所警覺嗎?謝謝 |
| IVOD_ID |
157494 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157494 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-27 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-36-16 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
16 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-27T10:32:55+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-27T10:44:36+08:00 |
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