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| 委員名稱 |
顏寬恒 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:06:35 - 10:15:54 |
| 影片長度 |
559 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-11-27T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期財政、經濟委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：審查中華民國113年度中央政府總預算追加預算案。（詢答及處理）
【預算提案截止時間：11月26日（二）中午12時】） |
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主席,各位立席官員大家早,主席,有請主席處、經濟部還有台電。好,主席部、經濟部還有台電。各位好,我先請教我們經濟部我們的林次長 |
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台電從2023年到明年總計已經取得5000億的撥補 |
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但是這個財務黑洞這個保不完啦越補越大那經濟部也說明年還是會虧損那如果沒有沒有撥補的話虧損更大這一次的最佳預算撥補1000億還是仍然會虧損566億明年總預算再撥補1000億虧損大約會是在444億那這部分我想提醒我們經濟部 |
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還有台電,你們能不能精確地去控管成本?採購的部分,你們的材料是不是便宜?那民間購電的部分,你們的成本有沒有辦法壓低?還有這個虧損的原因到底是什麼? |
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能不能提早計算國際原油料成本還有最重要的就是經營模式其實這幾大點都攸關我們國人因為民眾最關心的就是漲價台電漲價今天已經漲了兩次明年電價會不會漲這是一個問號所以你這一邊漲電價起電價然後這一邊拿政府的預算撥補 |
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一邊企業一邊拿白錢的納稅錢,這樣覺得對嗎?對不對?跟我的報告,那個剛剛講那個虧損566億,如果有1000億撥補完之後是可以盈餘434億,但是如果沒有這1000億進來,是會虧損566億,那... |
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還有台電的整個財務我們現在已經答應是在應該是月底這個月的月底我們會把整個財務報告送出來年底會把財務報告送到大院這邊來 |
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好,預算是人民的錢,我們現在利用撥補一千億,每年又一千億,這些錢都是我們的納稅錢。那台電漲人民的電價,你漲了電價又要撥補,你乾脆不要漲電價嘛,你就直接撥補就好了嘛,直接把你的虧損由政府的預算來撥補,這樣不是就好了嗎? |
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我請教主席長 |
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預算中心提到說這一次追加一千億撥補台電是因為國際營業成本的上漲還有就是穩定物價照顧民生弱勢等等所以吸收用電成本所需的經費來追加預算那既然政府編了一千億來補助那你能不能現在就告訴我們說明年絕對不會漲價可不可以 |
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不是,漲價不漲價這個要由那個電價委員會來去做決定那這個部分因為譬如說他台電他吸收民生物價的部分就有2800億所以這2800億他都沒有漲因為民生物價的部分是民生電費是沒有漲那產業的部分他吸收4000億這兩年的時候他吸收6800多億所以他虧損4000多億但是民生電價的部分是沒 |
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﹚國務委員 |
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阿虧多少是你們講的嘛所以你們用成本貴的電然後呢再拿政府民眾的納稅錢這邊要掏腰包來付這個漲出來的電費然後這邊又被我們的稅款我們的稅我們的繳稅的錢又政府拿來補貼對不對阿不是一樣嗎所以你們就是你們這就是兩套手法嘛對不對我跟你講齁其實 |
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臺電要怎麼樣去控管成本這是你們的專業我們要的就是第一個電要夠用電要盡可能的便宜這就是我們民眾要的那另外你漲的部分你現在撥補這一千億明年再一千億你又不能告訴我們說明年不漲價那不能要撥補多少才可以不漲價可不可以告訴我們要撥多少啦每年預算要變多少才可以賣去給 |
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因為這個是電價審議委員會根據當年或是前一年的那個整個燃料還有國際的情勢去做分析評估那你能不能預期先告訴我們讓我有個心理準備啊 |
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跟委員報告的是台電董事長我們每次去電價委員會審查的時候政府有沒有補助都會是委員會審查的重要考量包含說這一次今年度的民生都沒有漲也是因為政府有編了這一千億的預算債所以民生今年沒有做調整那我想說這個絕對會是立法院通過這筆預算絕對會是電價審議委員會的重要考量根據 |
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所以我可以預期說每一年撥補的金額會不斷的上漲為了要不讓電價調漲其實是這樣子我這樣跟您說你就承諾比如說不然就請我們次長跟董事長你們來承諾說為了要抑制電價上漲拜託中央政府預算每一年撥補到這個讓台電不漲電價 |
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委員這個可能也沒辦法這樣運作啦因為那個新委員不會同意我們這樣子講啦我真的是要跟您報告因為電價的調整會跟著國際的一些價格有一些波動這個是一定有的那不要讓它劇烈波動這是政府補貼的重要原因啦我想說這一點請委員體諒電價 |
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明年不能再漲這第一個那你們今年的這個撥補的部分其實到明年底已經超過5000億了還有2000沒確定那這個部分我跟你講那我要告訴你們就是說 |
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對於電價的上漲還有政府的撥補這個我們都非常有意見不能接受那另外就是說臺中的部分火力發電廠那中火原來答應民眾了就是建一座拆一座然後呢增燃器減燃煤無煤這個無煤的一個趨勢是世界趨勢只蓋但是現在我們臺中 |
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我跟委員報告 我知道委員很關心這個事情 我當然跟委員報告 我們加速蓋燃氣就是要提早污煤 |
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那個燃煤機組是放在那邊做緊急備用的嗎?我就是問到 經濟使用現在會變成常態化嗎?不會啦 絕對不會 我跟你保證不會絕對不可能把它常態化因為剛剛是緊急機組他一年就是限制發電時間只有720小時而且台電至今為止 |
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李卓人議員 |
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我剛才說台電現在沒有標準是這樣,那天也很多利潤期,利潤期也希望我們快點動作,因為現在開始蓋,我們其實看到這幾年,臺中火力發電廠已經減了600萬噸的燃煤量,我們如果新的機組起來我們會儘快減,只要調度可行我們一定馬上減。 |
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請政政權委員執行 |
| IVOD_ID |
157473 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157473 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-27 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-2-20,19-1 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
19 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期財政、經濟委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-27T10:06:35+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-27T10:15:54+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |