| IVOD_ID |
157463 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157463 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-27 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-15-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期內政委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
12 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期內政委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-27T09:40:01+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-27T09:49:21+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:09:20 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/4b9db3dc7042177ac2e2973f22bf0c34bebea231f805397bf8386334ca12ce893c5bd6785be991ac5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王美惠 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:40:01 - 09:49:21 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-11-27T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會第12次全體委員會議（事由：11月27日(星期三)、28日(星期四)一、邀請海洋委員會主任委員率同所屬列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於海洋委員會部分。三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於海洋委員會海巡署及所屬、海洋委員會海洋保育署、國家海洋研究院部分。四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於海洋委員會主管特別收入基金－海洋污染防治基金。
備註：113年11月25日（星期一）、27日（星期三）、28日（星期四）【三天一次會】） |
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主委。好,請管主委。王委員,好。主委,辛苦。主委,在這裡本社先幫你探討一下,我們在這個拜議, |
| transcript.whisperx[1].start |
19.434 |
| transcript.whisperx[1].end |
26.48 |
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海巡署及所屬、海海巡署及所屬、海海巡署及所屬、海海巡署及所屬、海 |
| transcript.whisperx[2].start |
48.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[2].end |
52.154 |
| transcript.whisperx[2].text |
委員會總預算案關於海巡署及所屬、海 |
| transcript.whisperx[3].start |
66.577 |
| transcript.whisperx[3].end |
92.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[3].text |
再來,又不是中國來找我們的,是它自己去找中國,看有需要我們的來賓的機要、機密沒有。在這個過程當中,讓我會覺得會怕什麼,是到底中國滲透去我們海巡署, |
| transcript.whisperx[4].start |
93.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[4].end |
101.232 |
| transcript.whisperx[4].text |
海巡署及所屬、海或海巡署、海或海巡署及所屬、海或海巡署及所屬、海或海巡署及所屬、海或海巡署及所屬、海或海巡署及所屬、海或海巡署及所屬、海或海巡署及所屬、海或海巡署及所屬、海或海巡署及所屬、海或海巡署及所屬、海或海巡署及所屬、 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].start |
121.516 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].end |
122.198 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].text |
海巡署及所屬、海 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].start |
130.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].end |
132.742 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].text |
三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於海巡署及所屬、海 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].start |
159.324 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].end |
170.19 |
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整項案件檢舉在我這裡。這項案件是我們主動賞的。這項案件是我們主動賞的?這項案件是我們主動賞的?這項案件是我們主動賞的?這項案件是我們主動賞的?這項案件是我們主動賞的?這項案件是我們主動賞的?這項案件是我們主動賞的?這項案件是我們主動賞的?這項案件是我們主動賞的?這項案件是我們主動賞的?這項案件是我們主動賞的?這項案件是我們主動賞的?這項案件是我們主動賞的?這項案件是我們主動賞的?這項案件是我們主動賞的?這項案 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].start |
186.958 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].end |
188.459 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].text |
三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於海洋委員會海 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].start |
211.947 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].end |
212.968 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].text |
三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於海巡署及所屬、海 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].start |
232.096 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].end |
235.959 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].text |
三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於海巡署及所屬、海 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].start |
260.336 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].end |
285.047 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].text |
很多的管道都對網路來、對通訊、社群媒體來,都在接觸這些有可能的對象。但是很多的動力都節省自愛,絕大多數都節省自愛。主委,我是擔心因為海警之馬。主動檢紀形成一個防腐網。 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].start |
289.929 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].end |
290.169 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].text |
主席主席主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].start |
306.337 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
307.137 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於海巡署及所屬、海 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
331.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
332.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
海巡署及所屬、海 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
352.093 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
353.534 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於海巡署及所屬、海 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
379.256 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
380.077 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
海巡署及所屬海巡署及所屬海 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
394.193 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
394.914 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於海洋委員會海 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
418.869 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
422.854 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於海巡署及所屬、海 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
433.567 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
435.929 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於海洋委員會海 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
459.465 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
460.245 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
海洋委員會海巡署及所屬、海 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
489.292 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
490.232 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於海巡署及所屬、海 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
515.043 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
518.387 |
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那是國海院不對,國海院覺得不對。另外一個是由海洋署凶宿。另外一個就是海洋的發財。國海院的海洋署凶宿也是有效發掘。 |
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534.605 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
545.997 |
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要稍微分配,大家都願意為這個國家來做考慮,才會去考慮。這方面,要說不要讓太過...因為這件事要...要他去了解一下。是,好,好,謝謝,謝謝委員關心,體諒。謝謝王美惠委員,謝謝。接下來我們請張宏祿召位。謝謝。 |
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王委員美惠：（9時40分）主席，有請主委。 |
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主席：好，請管主委。 |
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管主任委員碧玲：王委員好。 |
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王委員美惠：主委，辛苦了。主委，本席在此跟你探討一下，這禮拜一海巡署下士好像在高雄橋頭的地方法院有判決出來，已經被判刑了。 |
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管主任委員碧玲：是，我們很痛心。 |
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王委員美惠：我覺得在這個過程當中，現在的判決還沒在網路上出現，但媒體卻有提到他為了7萬元就把我們的機要賣掉了。在這個過程當中，我是覺得在同事之間大家可有發覺到他的問題出在哪裡嗎？再來，又不是中國來找我們的，而是他自己去找中國，看有沒有需要我們內部的機密。在這個過程當中，真的讓我感到很驚惶，到底是中國滲透到我們海巡署，還是海巡署內部有很多想把我們的資料賣出去的人？ |
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不過就我所瞭解的內情，他確實已經把資料賣給中國了，而且他還想賣更多、得到更多錢，但是被同仁拒絕。主委剛剛也說你非常痛心，在這個過程當中，雖然他很惡質，但是同仁有去關心他為什麼會為了7萬元而出賣臺灣嗎？請問主委知道嗎？ |
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管主任委員碧玲：感謝委員關心，這種事情我很重視，所以我有開放檢舉…… |
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王委員美惠：你有開放檢舉？ |
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管主任委員碧玲：對。我也要跟委員報告，我這邊有好幾個檢舉案，這個案子就是我們主動移送的。 |
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王委員美惠：這個案子是你們發覺之後主動移送的？ |
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管主任委員碧玲：是。這個背景是，第一，中國的滲透就是專門透過地下錢莊來找有債務的人下手，很多案子都是這種情形，所以我們有針對這個部分組成律師團，如果同仁有債務問題，就來幫忙他們進行債務協商、債務清理，但是害群之馬還是難以避免，我的手中還有案子，所以我一而再、再而三，在主管會報的時候要求大家落實下去，叫大家勇於自首。我手中有案！我手中有案！我們嚴厲地在監控中！ |
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當然，這個不能公開，但是我要求同仁一定要潔身自愛，執法機關的人員怎麼可以還在洩漏國家機密！ |
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王委員美惠：對！ |
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管主任委員碧玲：我也要求要嚴審重判，這也是我們的立場。但是中國多嚴重呢？跟委員報告，一張影印的名片，如果有辦法拿到這張名片，可以獲得5萬元，他們就是這樣在收買我們的人。此外，很多管道是來自網路通訊或社群媒體，都在接觸可能的對象，但是我們絕大多數的同仁都潔身自愛，而且…… |
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王委員美惠：主委，我是知道害群之馬…… |
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管主任委員碧玲：而且自動檢舉，形成一個防護網，所以多數的案子都是我們移送的檢舉案，還有一些是…… |
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王委員美惠：主委，我肯定你說的手中還有案子…… |
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管主任委員碧玲：有檢舉的案子。 |
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王委員美惠：所以我們希望也不要袒護你們的同仁…… |
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管主任委員碧玲：絕不袒護！ |
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王委員美惠：如果同仁需要我們的協助，要勇於…… |
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管主任委員碧玲：有，我們有組成律師團下去。 |
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王委員美惠：因為現在有很多地下錢莊知道什麼人缺錢，只要提供他們需要的東西，這筆錢就不用還，這非常嚴重。所以本席要跟主委說，海巡同仁都很辛苦，但是因為這幾個人，讓大家對海巡單位的印象很差，所以我希望能繼續叫做錯事的人出來承擔…… |
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管主任委員碧玲：有，我們也有叫他們出來現身說法。我們最近就和世新大學合作拍攝了一部影片，對於犯錯的人，我第一時間就予以汰除，其中有一位交保在外、還沒有判刑，我們就叫這個人出來拍攝影片，告訴所有公務人員和海巡同仁千萬不要像他一樣誤入歧途，同時告訴大家自己是怎麼被引誘的。總之，我非常重視這件事情，所以我拍了這部影片。 |
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王委員美惠：說實在的，海巡署必須保障臺灣的治安，發生這種事情，我們要非常注意。 |
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管主任委員碧玲：是，我都有事前防堵。 |
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王委員美惠：你都必須有所掌握。 |
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管主任委員碧玲：是的，都有事前防堵。 |
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王委員美惠：要再澈底一點、注意一點。 |
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管主任委員碧玲：其實很多人的敏感度都不夠。 |
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王委員美惠：接下來，本席上次質詢的時候提到你們有海洋保育活動，雖然嘉義市和其他幾個縣市都不靠海，但是舉辦海洋保育活動時也要對嘉義市用心，讓大家知道要如何保護海洋…… |
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管主任委員碧玲：我們有去辦2場。 |
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王委員美惠：在嘉義辦2場？ |
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管主任委員碧玲：是的。 |
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王委員美惠：但是本席要跟主委說，從你們的網站都看不出來你們有在嘉義市辦過。 |
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管主任委員碧玲：好，我回去請他們瞭解一下。 |
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王委員美惠：另外，海洋研究院是你們的所屬機構…… |
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管主任委員碧玲：對，國海院。 |
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王委員美惠：可是其中只有一位同仁對國際法、海洋法比較專業。我非常支持所有從事海洋工作的同仁，可是大家也應該分擔一下，據我瞭解，現在只有一個人在負責…… |
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管主任委員碧玲：我們的人力不夠…… |
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王委員美惠：所以主委是不是應該加強或協助…… |
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管主任委員碧玲：我瞭解，國海院有一位同仁本身就是學這個的，但是不只啦，我們還有一個海安處，海安處也有，所以除了國海院有一位，我們的海安處也有。 |
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王委員美惠：本席所瞭解的就是只有一個而已。 |
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管主任委員碧玲：那是國海院，沒有錯，國海院只有一位。 |
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王委員美惠：我覺得可以另外再增加…… |
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管主任委員碧玲：另外一個學的是海洋思想史，還有一個學的是海洋法制，國海院那個學海洋思想史的也相當瞭解法律。 |
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王委員美惠：應該稍微分擔一下。大家都願意為這個國家做事，但是不要讓他們太過…… |
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管主任委員碧玲：現在甚至連研究員都在做行政工作，我也很替他們煩惱。 |
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王委員美惠：這件事情你也要去瞭解一下。謝謝。 |
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管主任委員碧玲：好，謝謝委員的關心和體諒。 |
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主席（李委員柏毅代）：謝謝王美惠委員。接下來請張宏陸召委，謝謝。 |
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386 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_id |
委員會-11-2-15-12 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[0] |
張宏陸 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[1] |
麥玉珍 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[2] |
張智倫 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[3] |
王美惠 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[4] |
黃捷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[5] |
牛煦庭 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[6] |
黃建賓 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[7] |
李柏毅 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[8] |
蘇巧慧 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[9] |
徐欣瑩 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[10] |
陳培瑜 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[11] |
吳琪銘 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[12] |
羅智強 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[13] |
丁學忠 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[14] |
許宇甄 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[15] |
陳冠廷 |
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1 |
| gazette.agenda.meetingDate[0] |
2024-11-27 |
| gazette.agenda.gazette_id |
11310602 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_lcidc_ids[0] |
11310602_00002 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_name |
立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會第12次全體委員會議紀錄 |
| gazette.agenda.content |
一、邀請海洋委員會主任委員率同所屬列席報告業務概況，並備質詢；二、審查114年度中央政
府總預算案關於海洋委員會部分；三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於海洋委員會海巡署及
所屬、海洋委員會海洋保育署、國家海洋研究院部分；四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬
單位預算非營業部分關於海洋委員會主管特別收入基金─ 海洋污染防治基金 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_id |
11310602_00001 |