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| 委員名稱 |
黃國昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:14:40 - 09:27:23 |
| 影片長度 |
763 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-11-27T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會第16次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於考試院及所屬主管收支部分。
二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於考試院考選部主管「考選業務基金」收支部分。
三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於考試院銓敘部主管「公務人員退休撫卹基金」收支部分。
四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於考試院銓敘部主管「公教人員個人專戶制退撫儲金基金」收支部分。
五、審查及處理113年度中央政府總預算關於考試院主管預算凍結項目共4案。
【第一案至第四案僅進行詢答；預算提案於12月3日中午12時截止收件】
【11月25日及27日兩天一次會】） |
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我們在2019年透過考試院組織法大幅縮減考試委員的名額,那個時候我有參與修法。修法的意旨是認為考試院必須要受審,以考試院所掌管的業務竟然要19名考試委員,是太誇張了。 |
| transcript.whisperx[2].start |
49.777 |
| transcript.whisperx[2].end |
71.142 |
| transcript.whisperx[2].text |
當然最後我們把它3到7到9名實際上面後來的數字大概從2021年以後就穩定考試委員從19名降到9名大概少了10名考試委員只不過說我在追蹤這幾年考試院院本部的預算我其實有陷入一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[3].start |
72.591 |
| transcript.whisperx[3].end |
99.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[3].text |
迷惘那個迷惘在於說當初希望考試院能夠受升但實際上面考試院院本部的預算事實上看起來不僅沒有減少如果以今年來比的話實際上面還是增加那增加的錢到底在哪裡?是不是真的有需要花這些錢?我想我在預算提案乃至於後面審議的時候會比較清楚表明我的看法 |
| transcript.whisperx[4].start |
100.134 |
| transcript.whisperx[4].end |
127.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[4].text |
今天珍貴的質詢時間我希望放在我們大家所關心的議題上面昨天我針對考試院人事同意權的審查我請教了我們的前考試院的副院長也是院長的備體名人周鴻憲我直接請教他說他贊不贊成在公務人員保障法裡面去處理有關於職場霸凌的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].start |
129.124 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].end |
155.852 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].text |
他在整個巡搭的過程當中做出了宣誓他說他如果獲得立法院同意任考試院院長他要研議修法防止職場霸凌那針對周鴻憲被提名人所做出的這個宣誓啊我不曉得在上面的三位是不是都同意是,我們都同意全部都同意嘛那但是啊剛剛秘書長也說你們進入了所謂看守的狀態這個我尊重 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].start |
158.257 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].end |
165.648 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].text |
但是我一直在思考的是啊周鴻憲被提名人他說他當院長以後他要開始研議 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].start |
166.792 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].end |
188.23 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].text |
那因此我昨天詢問他完了以後我就一直在思考說那他當院長當上院長以前之前當副院長的時候到底在做什麼到底在做什麼所以我的第一個問題啊是考試院的院會有沒有針對職場霸凌規範不足這件事情討論過請教祕書長 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].start |
191.391 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].end |
215.002 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].text |
根委報告院會裡面應該才沒有我想秘書長齁可能事情多阿很忙阿我代秘書長稍微回顧一下因為我昨天詢問完周鴻憲被提名人阿我越想越不對阿這件事情怎麼可能等到我們的勞動部阿出現了這麼誇張的狀況阿 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].start |
218.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].end |
230.603 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].text |
三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分關於考試院考選部主管收支部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].start |
247.981 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].end |
271.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].text |
因為啊,考試委員,這個陳委員謹申應該是考試委員吧?是。他問了有沒有相關的應用措施或管理的制度,請他補充報告。但是,我後來查了考試院的院會紀錄,有委員提出來要選序部補充報告。補充報告在哪裡?我找不到。顯然這件事情是有浮上水面大家要討論嘛。 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].start |
272.261 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].end |
273.462 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].text |
三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].start |
293.193 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].end |
312.519 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].text |
這個月會紀錄我看過了你沒有必要複述現在我的問題是請問補充報告在哪裡因為後來在全區部提出的考機法修正的草案裡面也有把這個概念納入那只是這個草案我先問一下我先停一下所以你所說的相關應應措施或管理制度指的就是考機法嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].start |
314.029 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
337.973 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
是嗎?不只,但是因為全序部的部分他是跟考機法有關所以這個案子因為當時在院會應該是報告案所以有委員的發言記錄沒有關係啊請你回去查事後全序部所提出來的補充報告是什麼有就書面回覆給我沒有就回答兩個字就好沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
339.212 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
366.305 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
不是只有2021年到2023年考試院院會再度的去處理了有關於職場霸凌要求保訓會要強化預防措施請問事後保訓會強化了什麼預防措施在保訓會這邊安慰辦法的部分是有一直在研修我知道研修了10年我昨天已經問過了周鴻憲 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
368.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
387.215 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
對於研修10年這件事情他很遺憾也覺得非常的抱歉但我的問題很簡單2023年考試院院會又問了這件事情第二次扶上院會的檯面要求保訓會要去針對職場霸凌強化預防措施請問強化的預防措施是什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
392.972 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
416.658 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
安慰辦法在今年這個保訓會今年8月安慰辦法有針對職場霸凌強化預防措施嗎?有嗎?這個部分的確是做得並沒有很明確所以如昨天委員的所以這個就是我講的嘛考試院過去這幾年喔可能跟秘書長記憶不太一樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].start |
419.076 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
421.521 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
在考試院院會的確針對這件事情兩次 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
424.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
453.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
要求要處理一個是請全序部一個是請保訓會我今天請部長跟保訓會的主委上來不是要責怪你們因為我知道當時你們都還沒有就任現在的職務嘛但是如果現在是在所謂的看守期間的話以前該做沒有做的事情我們的帳就要算清楚我們的帳就要算清楚讓全體的國人知道 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
454.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
480.808 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
考試院過去不是沒有研議討論過這件事啊但問題是什麼問題是即使提到了考試院院會討論後續啊毫無作為就四個字毫無作為等到周鴻憲要再度被提名當考試院院長的時候才在院會宣誓啊說他要修法他要強化 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
482.362 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
505.341 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
幾年的時間過去啦幾年的時間過去啦而這些院會秘書長您都有參與還不只這樣2023年考試院人權保障工作小組針對有關於職場霸凌的事情對於我們的公務員提出申訴結果他的主管機關處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
507.537 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
536.624 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
沒有處理好他們向保訓會提出再申訴結果保訓會在30個案件裡面駁回28件這個數字不會錯啦因為這個是在你們考試院及所屬部會人權保障工作小組24次會議只是我看這個會議記錄我其實有一點感慨因為我不曉得考試院對這個會議重不重視請假的請假找人代理的代理 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
537.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
560.434 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
稍後保訓會對於所謂的職場霸凌他們說沒有明確的法律規範定義他們要從個案當中去進行持續性的研究要去進行歸納分析建立未來審議的基準來請教一下秘書長保訓會後來做了什麼樣子的歸納分析 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
566.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
585.966 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
這個我不是很了解那個新任的主委您了解嗎跟委員報告齁這個部分我不是很清楚不過呢在我們我先停一下你說你不是很清楚是當初工作交接沒有交接好是不是這個有關於這個駁回的這個部分呢不是啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
586.727 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
604.444 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
我說後續的歸納分析結果如何博回的部分32個案子博回28件我當然沒時間在這邊一件一件跟你對嘛是你們在上面說要做歸納分析嘛但我找了半天我找不到歸納分析的結果所以我請教你們 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
604.864 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
633.993 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
公務員報告後面的歸納分析呢我們有在進行但是因為他每個檔案都不一樣不好意思喔是持續在進行還是有做過分析過有在持續進行而且呢我們在我們在做這個會議結論的時候是2023年的6月26號嘛是現在是2024年的11月了吧是那請問這個歸納分析到目前為止有沒有任何的記錄或是任何的報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
635.014 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
641.073 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
目前還沒有到目前都還沒有那所謂的歸納分析是怎麼在做的?有開過會嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
643.103 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
644.104 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
666.856 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
693.005 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
跟委員報告我們會在這個下個會期之前並同保障以法跟安慰辦法一起如果委員覺得這樣時間太長了我們會在今年底結束的時候所有的部分盡可能把它分析完不是我覺不覺得這個時間太長啦今天我們在這邊詢答的過程全部的公民都可以看啦我們的考試院 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
694.005 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
719.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
人權保障工作小組6月26號要求保訓會做歸納分析搞到2024年的11月沒有會議紀錄沒有書面資料只有抽象的在持續的歸納分析搞了一年多什麼都沒有還要再半年結果才會出來是我覺得太慢還是大家都覺得太慢 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
720.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
748.042 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
每個公民心裡有一把尺但在這邊我只希望新上任的主委因為我知道你新上任我也沒有要為難你你9月1號才上任嘛前面的人事情沒做好把鍋拐到你身上這不公平嘛但是我要拜託新任的主委加速辦理搞了一年多啊什麼都沒有啊人民會失望啊人民會失望啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
749.406 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
759.682 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
這些問題我相信在這個會期處理預算的時候都應該要具體的反映在每一個委員的預算提案上混成這樣太離譜了謝謝 |
| IVOD_ID |
157452 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157452 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-27 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-36-16 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
16 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-27T09:14:40+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-27T09:27:23+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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