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| 委員名稱 |
楊瓊瓔 |
| 委員發言時間 |
14:38:31 - 14:59:04 |
| 影片長度 |
1233 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-11-26T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第2會期第1次全院委員會（事由：總統咨，為考試院第十三屆院長、副院長及考試委員任期於113年8月31日屆滿，茲依據憲法增修條文第6條第2項規定，提名周弘憲為考試院第十四屆院長，許舒翔為考試院第十四屆副院長，邱文彥、鄧家基、王秀紅、呂秋慧、柯麗鈴、黃東益、伊萬．納威Iwan Nawi 7位為考試院第十四屆考試委員，咨請同意案。） |
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院會主席、我們敬愛的江副院長以及被提名者我們的考試院的副院長、提名者楊卓銘發言首先邀請被提名者我們請被提名人 |
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年金改革的影響與未來的調整策略本席要請問你要如何的去評估年金改革對於公務員群體的一個影響那如果未來政策需要做調整的時候你認為應該要優先去調整哪一些的問題請做說明 |
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謝謝我想我的了解是當年年輕改革有它的時空背景那事實上當年也有一些這個年輕的公務員他們也蠻擔心這個年輕改革如果不進行改革的話是不是等到他們要退休的時候會有領不到這個退休金的問題所以進行了相關的調整當然這些調整當然也會造成一些 |
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退休人員的這個影響所以我想你講到重點了對他們有的是股市經做有的金市股做對他們一個契約的一個信賴度是不夠完整的所以本市再一次請教你也點出那個問題也就是你認為如果需要進一步做調整你認為你應該要優先會處理哪一些的問題呢 |
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所以跟委員報告我了解目前的這個年輕改革制度裡面有規範兩個調整的空間一個就是每四年要檢討一次那另外就是這個消費者物價指數如果累計達到百分之政府百分之五副院長你現在所說的都是目前的ING進行式 |
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如果未來你真的當上了副院長的時候你預計你看到現在的面向民眾公務人員他是不安心的不管是在警、公、教他這個都不安心的情況之下你認為如果需要調整你會調整哪些問題優先調整哪些問題針對本席的議題提問我想當然目前我的了解 |
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調整的方案有幾個面向那還有一個部分是也許大家比較關心是所得替代力的問題那目前是原來規劃就是10年每一年逐年調降1.5%那這個目前應該是執行到一半還有5年的時間還沒有執行 |
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所以你認為所得替代欲是你未來如果當上這個位置你認為應該要優先去考慮去調整、去檢討的一個問題這個部分的調整我想需要有進一步的精算那也要尋求社會的共識還有對現職公務人員的影響我的了解是政府事實上在年金改革之後到目前為止對現職公務人員的這個薪資的調整已經調了 |
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委員會委員會委員會 |
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到底會是怎麼樣子我想這些應該要有數據精算的一個評估好 謝謝你的回答因為現在包括公教也希望政府來撥補一百億陸續那如果說哪個空缺就要政府來撥補而不是在整個制度面來做調整那本席認為還不是你當上這個副院長切入的議題 |
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所以本席再請教那在這樣的情況之下是不是應該去整理一套有制度面而且希望能夠正式入法而不是哪裡缺就哪裡要撥補我想我們的軍、工、警、教他不是去這啊他有他的榮耀啊他必須要有制度你贊成這樣的方向嗎 |
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我贊成整體的思維因為有些改革不是從單一個面向去看問題好 整體的思維本席也希望能夠聽到你的見解能夠聽到你的見解因為我再次強調我們的警攻教軍他不是騎車 |
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他是奉獻了一生他應當要有所得應當要這個榮耀所以我們希望政府應該要給他們一個榮耀也就是制度面的榮耀這是本期第一個提問接下來本期要請問退伍基金的一個永續經營政府經常告訴我告訴社會大眾說有政府都不會動 |
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突然只有這樣的口號我認為讓民眾已經疲乏而且這也不是一個有為政府應該講的話語而是要真正的怎麼樣讓人民有感讓人民有所保障所以本校請教面對退伍基金財力的壓力你有哪一些的建言可以來強化我們整個基金運作的效益那你是不是會考慮更多元的投資方式或者是制度的調整 |
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現在都告訴我們四大基金只要政府一聲令下進股市就護盤我覺得這個不是一個非常正確的方向協助政府是應當但是如果以這個為主力這是不是對我們整個這個層面以及制度來講是不榮耀的 |
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所以本校請教你認為目前我們的退伍基金要如何的來永續經營是不是應該可以有多元的一個投資或者是制度的調整請做說明是我的了解這個退伍基金事實上沒有進場護盤這件事不過退伍基金目前的一個操作經營方式一部分是委辦 |
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一部分是自行應用投資當然他有他的資產配置的一個調整你的一句話沒有進場護盤這句話本是不認同國家本來就是大家要團結有困難大家互相幫助但是你今天是提名人你馬上否決了目前政府在做那我不知道未來你要怎麼跟政府來做溝通讓人民有信賴有感 |
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所以我再次提出你有什麼樣的方案你認為可以多元的方式來投資或者是制度面的調整 |
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所以這幾年事實上整個的一個投資績效是不錯的不過坦白說這個績效不錯一方面是整個大環境事實上整個股市你這麼回答本來還是不認同目前我們的投資報酬率是13點多我們最高有19點多所以請你在我們退伍基金 |
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永續經營的這一塊你要多琢磨因為你如果說是不錯已經告訴你有討論的空間有提升的空間本期是希望以下我們所做的討論能夠聽到你的論點接下來本期要請問醫療人力與波波醫生的問題這幾天是時事議題 |
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那麼偏鄉的部分在邱部長這邊他也在上個禮拜在未完委員會他也特別提出希望以本國的為主希望以本國的國籍的為主以本國籍我們的一師為主那至於偏鄉的部分給予 |
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委員會主席 |
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伊健以及婆婆醫生最後還是要回到你這邊來國考所以本席要請教你認為考試院應該要怎麼樣協助因為都上了街頭時事新聞那麼你要怎麼樣協助相關的政策跟制度的改變來保障偏鄉居民基本的醫療的一個權益請做說明 |
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考選部辦理這邊醫師的考試基本上都是依照醫師法的規定來進行應考資格的審查那醫師的考試事實上他經過考選部第一階段考試之後還有一個實習的階段那經過實習之後才有第二次國家考試第二次國家考試之後才成為副院長你努力的在背目前政府的政策 |
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那既然你是新提名的副院長你應該有你的論點因為如果目前的政策是非常OK的那麼不會有這個時事新聞不會有大遊行當然我們是一個民主國家各自有各自的論點但是本期還是希望你針對於 |
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目前上街頭各自所見的這樣的一個情境民主國家一旦有不一樣的論點應該政府要去討論我們的制度有哪些是必須要去做調整這是本席給你的提問也給你的功課我希望你好好的去思考或許以前我們有所謂的公費保障生 |
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那是不是也可以用這種制度大力去推廣以保障偏鄉的醫療不足的部分是否可行你應該要好好的去研議而不是只有告訴我們目前現在正在做的這個制度好嗎我希望以下的討論希望可以聽到你的論點好嗎接下來本期要請教國家考試的公平性跟學歷認證那麼國內外有的認證有的不認證有的甚至回來他忘記了要去採證 |
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還要再去license 確認一下所以在這樣的情況之下我們國內外學歷的認證標準有時候會去引起了一個爭議那你認為在考試院在制定國家考試的規則的時候你要怎麼樣去確保它的一個公平性以避免特定群組的不公平待遇就陳儒這個禮拜上個禮拜 |
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一是這個大概引起了各方兩方的論戰跟遊行那這樣子會產生不公平的一個議題產生的時候特定群組那你未來你的考試院你認為要怎麼樣去調整這個制度可以讓他的公平性得以確保請做說明 |
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我想國家考試不管專機人員或者是公務員的考試像公務員相關的考試資格也定在公務員考試法醫師的部分就定在醫師法這一部分就我們所見到的問題我們當然會提供給衛福部做參考 |
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那這個不過當然考選部不是這個醫護人員的一個主管機關啦但是碰到問題我們一定會協助像護理師請暫停你的回答本期不希望聽到這樣子的一個論點說明因為我們在這裡非常理性的希望可以聽到你的見解你的見解而不是說考試院不是這個醫師的主管機關單位大家都知道但是問題是最後的國考在你這邊啦 |
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所以我還是希望能夠聽到你的論點給社會大眾去了解要讓我們的社會大眾我們的國民可以怎麼樣安心有一個公平性的權益請再說明所以如果是從我這邊辦理專屬國家考試的觀點 |
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當然尤其醫師醫護人員都直接關係到人民的一個生命那偏鄉我也知道偏鄉的醫療資源是比較缺乏所以我們怎麼樣子照顧到國人這應該是最優先的一個考量那如果說我們本國的醫生就已經足夠了那當然我們所培養的醫生都相當優秀當然是優先考量但是 |
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波波這個問題其實也不是只有我們台灣存在這個問題我曾經在次長的時候到芬蘭那邊去做這一方面的一個瞭解芬蘭他們自己有培養自己醫學院的學生但是他們也用了不少是波波就是到波蘭學醫學回到波蘭那邊去職業醫生專業上他們當然有把關另外他們會加考 |
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這個你去波蘭學但是你回來要考這個波蘭的語言波蘭大概有兩種主要語言是波蘭語跟瑞典語你要在語言上面這邊把關因為醫病的關係你一定要會他們當地的語言才有辦法去這個職業 |
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所以我想我們不要因為一個個案那前盤否定那我相信能夠通過國家考試那後面又有外部還有相關專業這個一個養成你要成為這個外科、內科這些專業養成這部分不是考選部負責那我相信也會有一些表現不錯的 |
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那我知道現在因為這些問題所以有一些我了解因為回來通過第一階段考試之後像牙醫師他沒辦法實習嘛他如果等個五年可能就會掉我知道目前也有人就直接在國外就業了他就在英國去做牙醫師本席還是請你先再調整一下你的思緒 |
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因為你現在所說的你很用心把世界各國的樣態舉例進來但是本席仍舊要提醒你是目前考試院的副院長的提名人你是針對我中華民國臺灣我們國家目前的現狀你的制度要怎麼去做你不是民意代表 |
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只有敘述你應該是要有你的論點跟你的制度怎麼樣的說法能夠得到委員的同意這才是我們今天運用了這麼多的時間跟你討論也希望聽到你的說明所以我仍舊希望聽到你未來如果擔任考試院副院長你認為考試院針對目前既有的制度但是引起了遊行跟引起了討論那你有什麼樣的制度去做調整這是本席要聽的 |
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現在大家都很清楚目前的狀態賴清德總統也說了目前我們的執行程度也就是每年55名 |
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破破學生那就按照制度去排隊不可以再增加目前的樣態是如何如此所以本期也希望台灣目前的現況你應該多了解那要怎麼樣去制度調整這是我們要的好嗎這次希望你多費點心那接下來本期要跟你討論的是行政中立與人事制度的一個調整 |
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行政中立行政中立是最高的一個原則也是民主的真諦 對不對所以你如何看待在考試院要推動人事制度改革的時候維持行政中立的重要性是否有具體的做法來平衡整個政治跟專業的需求 |
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目前台灣社會裡頭有很多人會說政治壽命本期不希望聽到這個因為國家的公務人員是非常的重要一切都是在公務人員在做吸取民意去調整制度出來方向出來大家團結努力去做但是如果加上政治考量而非專業 |
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委員長請教提名人你認為在你的人事佈局當中的重力是不是應該要以專業的立場來做最重要的考量請說說明專業的這個考量當然是重要但是我知道到這個檢任級官員以上事實上他的職職系的流通放得比較寬 |
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這頁高階他強調的可能是跨領域的整合這一方面的專業能力而不是單一專業的能力所以我想這些的部分也是我們在人才選拔還有這個培訓上所以請教在你這個行政重力當中在你的制度你認為政治考量比較重要還是專業考量比較重要 |
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1065.643 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
1083.233 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
我覺得在文官體系當然要專業考量就這個專業考量能夠為國家做事情這是非常重要我們不希望只有政治任命沒有他的專業考量你會維持這個立場吧我們選拔的是國家的文官不是任何政黨的文官 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
1084.774 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
1103.388 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
這句話我聽到你願意要以行政中立跟人事制度方面是要以專業考量這個是國家非常重要的必要因素因為你如果沒有專業考量那這個可能整個會歪樓啦我們不希望如此做那請教 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
1104.268 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
1126.455 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
目前我們到現在為止你所看待的我們的政府在行政中立跟人事制度的調整剛剛我們已經討論出一個方向需要以專業考量非常好那你認為到目前為止我們考試院還有政府還有什麼需要做調整的你認為呢可以好上加好請說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
1128.806 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
1151.088 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
我想當然這個未來在文官的培訓這一方面像這個鑑認生檢認這個高階文官部分目前是完全有信令這一部分那這個各機關推薦盜保訓會這邊來這個完成授信之後取得這個生檢認的一個官等 |
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1151.348 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
1166.698 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
那這一方面我想我們也會更加建立他對於整個國家忠誠度這一方面那維持行政中立這一方面的一個這個做法跟作為以國家的發展以人民的利益為優先 |
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1167.897 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
1188.198 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
這個非常重要因為最後我要給你一個數據告訴你我們以前就是說好好的讀書考上了公務人員是世界棒的非常非常的榮耀但是我們卻發覺最近這幾年來他這個榮耀感似乎沒那麼多 |
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1189.199 |
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1209.825 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
市府沒那麼多那同時要來參這個考試的也沒那麼多這個比例所以由數字可以告訴我們他是在往下降的除了榮耀沒有這麼多那麼參加考試的也沒那麼多這個原因到底出在哪裡尤其現在少子化整個社會的面態、面向 |
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1211.826 |
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1221.973 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
我覺得本席認為我們公務人員是至高無上我們希望給他們榮耀以他們的專業來做事情讓國家強大一起加油好謝謝楊委員謝謝貝提名人下一位請張祺凱委員 |
| IVOD_ID |
157444 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157444 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-26 |
| 影片種類 |
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| 開始時間 |
2024-11-26T14:38:31+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-26T14:59:04+08:00 |
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