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| 委員名稱 |
吳思瑤 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:14:22 - 10:34:56 |
| 影片長度 |
1234 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-11-26T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第2會期第1次全院委員會（事由：總統咨，為考試院第十三屆院長、副院長及考試委員任期於113年8月31日屆滿，茲依據憲法增修條文第6條第2項規定，提名周弘憲為考試院第十四屆院長，許舒翔為考試院第十四屆副院長，邱文彥、鄧家基、王秀紅、呂秋慧、柯麗鈴、黃東益、伊萬．納威Iwan Nawi 7位為考試院第十四屆考試委員，咨請同意案。） |
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謝謝主席 有請院長貝提名人我們請周貝提名人好 吳委員好 |
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老師您好我今天有兩個主題就教於您第一個當然是現在大家都在檢視公務體系的反霸凌的機制那我認為從個案來檢視通案的制度是我們責無旁貸應當承擔的職責那我要跟您具體的倡議來下一頁 |
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建立正向的職場文化我也看了您今天的書面報告或是剛剛幾位委員的槌尋你們都打算針對公務人員保障法來進行修法或者是來研議一套反霸凌的專法到目前為止何者可行修公務人員保障法或是反霸凌的專法有可行 |
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因為公務人員保障法是考試院可以修那如果修一個專法那也許是變成勞動部或者行政院的權責那修保障法可能比較單純所以就考試院的職責優先從公務人員保障法來下手那多久時間你們要提出法案一年內是嗎更快可以嗎我們希望大概 |
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下會期提出然後我們努力的趕快來完成立法院會接求好嗎當然你們要會嫌人事總署、行政院一起來辦理所以呢公務人員保障法的修法先行我們下會期就來審議全力來衝刺通過 |
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至於反霸凌的專法涉及它的認定、執行可能牽涉的部會也比較多我認為可以從長計議好 那下一頁我有一個更具體也更建設性的建議也就是本期2022年我向教育部開了第一槍主要是越來越多的學生選擇了 |
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用非常殘酷的手段來結束自己的生命而這當中非常嚴肅來檢視學校雖然有三級的專輔機制可是有六成選擇自殺的年輕生命並沒有被任何一個專輔機制接過球 |
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也就是有六成以上的自殺學生是被現行校園的三級心腹制度給漏接了所以由學生開始倡議也是來學習國際的經驗從校園來推動心理健康價 |
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我從2022年向教育部當時是潘文忠部長提出質詢當時只有兩個學校就是國立的中山大學跟私立的實踐大學到現在兩年內已經有127所公私立大學包含技職體系都已經有了心理健康教 |
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這是校園再下一頁剛剛講高教我現在講國教教育部也肯認到除了關心青年學子的身體健康也要關心心理健康所以教育部向下延伸讓心理假進入高中職今年8月已經全面施行我要跟院長貝提名人來說明 |
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心理架不是指多一個架讓需要也許過勞身心承受壓力的年輕學子他有一個架可以去喘息之外更重要的是透過心理架這個制度可以讓學校的心腹制度 |
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接駐這每一個學生我們這個會期也在修學生輔導法很渴望在這個禮拜五就完成二三讀所以制度上校園已經推動了新理假那麼公務體系呢 |
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公務體系現在十種價別越來越進步越來越多元比如說2013年也經過女性的倡議開始提供生理假女性在生理期的時候可以來請生理假或是2022年我們也修了性別平等工作法本期也有提案我們賦予 |
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陪產假還有陪產檢也有假這是越來越進步現在少子化的對策我們對於生育的環境更友善同樣對於心理健康要友善心理假有沒有可能在臺灣的公務體系先行呢下一頁我們的人事總處Say Yes |
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可是我們考試院的全序部表達反對反對的理由是什麼我們全序部非常的不敬不委居然說公務員請假會影響民眾的服務品質喔那這樣所有公務人員連市假、病假、喪假都不能請囉 |
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你們說心理架會有標籤化的疑慮也會擔心大家有需要的不敢請或是僥倖者去濫請這個價別不要這樣防賊呀甚至心理架本身就是要去標籤化 |
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讓所有的公務體系懂得關懷每一個身旁職場的同僚他也許身體健康出了問題或是他心理健康出了問題正是我們來接住他提供關懷的正向機會怎麼你們全序部的意見說心理架會標籤化你們的反對理由正是我要大力挑戰支持心理架的理由啊 |
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所以你們的幾個理由我完全認為是不進步沒有同理心完全不合理下一頁所以來修訂公務人員請假規則人事總署都同意但是就卡在全序部您是未來的渴望成為考試院院長的院長人選 |
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從公務體系來先行唯有公務體系先做才能夠擴及民間來學習仿效來增設新理價Yes or No我想這部分我們認為研究上應該是可行但是一些細節還是要跟相關機關討論 |
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那我跟您報告人事總處他們研議了所有可行的方案都認為只要在現行的價別裡頭去增設也不影響全體的這個價的日期所以公務人員請假規則希望您馬上責成全序部正向的來研議讓身心調試價能夠在公務體系來上路為我們的健康台灣 |
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從physical health到mental health都能夠雙軌並行好嗎我期待您再一次更正面的say yes對我們認為這個方向應該是可行的好那可不可能一樣趕快來研議我們下個會期如果有相關的要處理的議案立法院也會全力來協助我們也一樣努力在下個會期來一併的提出好嗎 |
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因為這個主要修公務人員請假規則是不需要送立法院沒有到法律委員會對但是我希望下個會期我們就能夠看到好嗎其實包括公務人員保障法搞不好也有可能你針對反霸凌健康的職場環境也有相關好嗎一併的來檢視法規 |
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保證法修正當然要送到大院來審議是,好,那我們就正向期待謝謝您的yes第二個呢,第二個主題我也需要您正面的一個yes部部都是文化部,人人都是文化人國家需要更多文化治理的人才,考試院要做更多首先我問您,院長您本身有文化生活嗎? |
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你有去看去美術館看視覺藝術．或者是去兩廳院表演場館看表演藝術嗎有時候會去兩廳院有時候那多密集還是久久去一次您上一次是什麼時候大概幾個月前幾個月前好來跟您報告 |
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我自己在立法院非常高壓非常過勞我這個會期又擔任了黨團的幹事長我上週五我也進了北藝中心去欣賞了簡佩如這是臺灣非常優秀的新銳的女舞蹈家她的舞蹈創作《黑蝴蝶》 |
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對我而言在高壓過牢的政治場域裡頭去親近Iwan就是一個出口搭配我剛剛說的你賦予心理架的時候大家可以去找到一個自我調節的方法他也許去親近Iwan去進美術館去表演聽射或者是他去運動都好 |
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所以我們公務人員需要有這樣提供一個療癒的出口這也是現在我們希望人人都是文化人步步都是文化步大家都要有文化的思維下一頁 |
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國家除了讓每一個公務同仁有﹐屬於自己提升內在文化之能的﹐文化生活之外﹐我們更需要大舉的來增進﹐文化的治理人才幾個理由﹐第一個﹐這幾年我們的文化管所﹐大幅的增加﹐文化建設蓬勃的發展﹐第二個﹐ |
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文化的法令越來越進步所以我們的人才禁用要跟上第三個要落實賴清德總統的 |
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文化政見我們要文化優先第四個理由也是跟進國際我們要讓文化的永續成為臺灣非常重要的治理的一個要項我分享跟您來論述這是考試院的使命考選行政保障與培訓行政在考選行政的作業就是去把著從選才、攬才能夠去把著 |
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有文化治理的專業人才在保障與培訓行政的部分就是協助我們公共同仁育才跟知能、文化知能的提升我看到您今天的書面報告您說因應時代的進步我們要給公共同仁各方面的知能提升包括人權意識的提升我支持包括性別意識的提升這太重要了包括數位治理 |
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資訊安全跟AI現在凡事都AI大家要有AI的課程基本的AI職能而且懂得運用我都支持但是我希望你們加一項未來您渴望來領導考試院文化治理的文化思維應當也是我們未來考選以及培訓很重要的界面下一頁第一個文化管所這麼多 |
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蔡英文總統上任之後﹐我們從文策院﹐從鐵道部園區﹐從國家攝影文化中心﹐電影視聽文化中心都成立了﹐然後升格的有臺灣歷史博物館﹐臺灣文學館都升格了﹐ |
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然後公共公視臺與臺也成立了臺灣plus也成立了而地方政府不管是南部的衛武營北部的流行音樂中心或是臺北藝術中心從中央到地方文化建設越來越多所以我們需要人才 |
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最新的三個管社也是本席努力催生的就是建築文化中心2026年要成立了我國家的漫畫博物館選址在臺中2029年也要成立了包括一個斥資100多億的國家兒童未來館2030年要上路這些管社都需要人才 |
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您一直點頭您同意我的觀點這是第一個我們需要文化之理人才而且是專業的第二個面向跟進現在的文化法令的一再修正尤其是文化基本法就是文化的憲法 |
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108年完成三讀文資法的23條就很清楚的說中央政府要制定人事的專業法律來適度放寬文化藝術人員之禁用這是文化的憲法、文資法的規定下一頁 |
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文化資產保存法也大修在2016年也是本席催生的最大一次幅度的文化資產保存法的修正台灣更需要文化資產的保護人才而且文資法的修正它導入了一個 |
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本部都是文化部以前各部會都有文化資產但是都有文化部來做保存維護復正再利用的工作現在沒有回到各個部會所以每一個部會都要有文資的人才而 |
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國營事業動作最快從台糖、台電、中油到水公司他們自己很快地跟上了文化資產保存的趨勢經濟部所屬的國營事業都特別地去教考文化資產類的專業人員這是國營事業再下一頁 |
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文化藝術講注條例也是本席推動修正的我們讓公共藝術更多軌的推進所以各個部會都要來做多元的公共藝術它需要更多人才我這幾個法令的精進跟您所報告陳述的都是告訴我們以前文化 |
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人才是文化部的事文化治理是文化部的事現在沒有部部都是文化部包括中央政府包括地方政府都要有文化治理的文化思維所以我們的文化人才夠嗎再下一個 |
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賴清德總統兩大承諾跟八大主張不管是博物館的國家隊、不管是文化保存、不管是文化傳播也都告訴了我們文化人才最後一項跟進國際過去在講SDGs |
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只從環境、經濟跟社會的面向2019年UNESCO開始宣稱也開始行動落實永續SDGs有第四個支柱就是文化的面向文化也要永續 |
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所以我跟您分了四個部分來論述長管越來越多、文化建設越來越多文化的法律越來越精進再加上我們最重視文化、文化優先的賴清德總統回應他的政見到最後一個跟進國際的文化永續的行動我們需要文化人才啊但是呢下一頁現在的高考跟普考文化行政是死亡之組啊 |
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難考、缺又少這個是高考下一頁普考也是每年文化行政都只有2.4%遠低於一般行政跟各類科的錄取率文化行政從高考到普考都是死亡之族所以你提供的元額就很少人來考了更何況這個是現有的缺喔再下一頁 |
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我現在要跟您講的是我們要新開很多文化治理的缺因為現在的文化人才的聘任是適用教育人員任用條例但是教育專業跟文化專業大不相同他應當鬆綁下一頁 |
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而早就在文集法、修法跟文化政策白皮書2019年都接駐請考試院的全序部加速聘任人員人事條例的立法作業或者是你的聘任人員人事條例沒有辦法那麼快你至少讓藝文人事的專法文化部自己來先訂可不可以呢?下一頁 |
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更早還沒有文化部的時候文建會98年的時候就要求你們要趕快放寬文化專業的人事聘任專法或者是你的聘任人員也快一點吧你們只會駁回只會反對下一頁可是你們自己的聘任人員人事條例要整合科研社教文化等人才訓練 |
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等了十多年沒丁沒當那你這樣去卡文化部門自己設一個下一頁文化專業人員的聘任條例你自己的動作不加緊還去卡人家的法案這是立法院的預算中心的建議 |
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所以我花了這些時間跟您面報您是未來的考試院渴望的院長文化治理的人才從現有的缺已經夠少了然後我希望有多的人才禁用的管道鬆綁你要嘛趕快把你的這個聘用人士條例趕快做或者是你授權讓文化類的自己去做一個文化人才禁用的專法到底either way您在這裡承諾一下您的看法 |
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對當然競爭人員部分那要不要提升到法律位階範圍怎麼樣我想這些其實全系部都在討論十多年的討論對那這部分也許慢一點那未來我們當然希望先讓文化專法來先行可以嗎 |
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文化類的自己文化部門有一個文化人才的聘任的專法可行嗎對這部分當然也是一個可以研議的一個方向那我們會看要用什麼方式來做可能對整個文化人才的培育會比較好 |
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從各類的學者、專家、文化界的倡議文化部門需要一個文化專業人員的聘任專法我認為您今天雖然說了Yes可是不夠Strong我在司法法治委員會我會持續的來追蹤跟盯你我希望這個部分文化優先不是口號我們需要文化治理人好 謝謝 |
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謝謝委員、謝謝備體 |
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