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| 委員名稱 |
吳春城 |
| 委員發言時間 |
15:53:28 - 16:03:51 |
| 影片長度 |
623 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-11-22T14:30:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第2會期第1次全院委員會「行使考試院院長、副院長及考試委員同意權案」公聽會（事由：第11屆第2會期第1次全院委員會「行使考試院院長、副院長及考試委員同意權案」公聽會） |
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主席各位各位我們的立法院的同仁還有我們的學者專家那個今天呢我代表台灣民眾黨要發表對於考試院考委審查的一個意見我要講的主題叫做公務員的平庸之惡公務員的平庸之惡 |
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即將回鍋的美國總統川普任命科技巨頭馬斯克要成立政府效率部馬斯克計畫把聯邦政府428個機構精檢到剩下99個三檢調三分之四認為四分之一政府就可以運作 |
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削減政府的浪費簡化行政的機構估計聯邦的200萬員工有一半要被裁員不曉得會不會真的做了但是至少這是一個思維的方式我不曉得我們的考試院現在是怎麼想 |
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考試院是政府的人力資源部門我來自企業界非常清楚所有的組織改革都是從人資部門開始人資部門規劃策略規劃整個 我不曉得我們的考試院有沒有這個功能看起來是沒有 |
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如果考試院是一個老太隆重的部門那就不用期待中華民國的政府是一個優秀聰明的管理團隊政黨輪替或者新任總統的天眾英明都只是一時的36萬的公務大軍才是政府的主力但是我們的公務員 |
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要經過高普考國家考試這都是我們過去很羨慕的很難考啊很難考那考過高普考真的是百中選一啊很難考但是大家都一句話人在公門好修行到了公務人員我看了很多說他差不多兩年啊就被消磨殆盡了 |
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熱情消磨殆盡,意志消沉就開始在修行了念經是什麼造成的?是什麼造成的?我們考試院應該好好地去想這些問題不要每天在那邊修法其實我懶得去講那些該怎麼做因為太多文章了研究文章,漢牛衝動但是呢,事情都是 |
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原來的我要引述一個20世紀的一個很有名的政治哲學家漢納漢納·厄蘭他是一個他1906年生1975年過世了是一個影響了20世紀還有21世紀的政治倫理的研究者他的作品 |
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含非常廣泛的主題但最出名的就是處理權力和邪惡的本質以及政治還有直接民主、威權、極權主義的作品他最為人所銘記的論點就是解釋為什麼一個普通人會成為極權主義體系中的演員配合演出其實不是因為人惡而是因為平庸之惡 |
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他說:「平庸之惡是一種不思考、不傾聽人類道德的心靈,也不去思考對於整體社會的利弊。」 |
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這種惡是平庸的你、我、常人都可能墮入其中把個人完全同化於體制之內服從體制上的安排默認體制本身隱含不道德的行為甚至自己成為不道德體制下不經質疑的實踐者、筷子手 |
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憑藉著配合體制的藉口替自己冷漠的行為提供非道德的辯護從而解除個人心理上提倫道德的過錯這就是現代社會體制化下的平庸之惡他認為平庸之惡集體而言可能大於極端之惡 |
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因為這種集體的不去思考只去配合體制忽略了漠視人類心靈深處對道德體驗所犯下的罪行更為嚴重我想他這一段話非常值得我們的深思我到了立法院以後我才深刻的體會到我們政府的平庸之惡平庸到什麼程度 |
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20號前幾天我在前瞻就在這裡在審查前瞻預算的時候我質詢國發會主委沒來是他督導的業務結果他沒來他跑掉了找了副主委來我我跟他講說我問說這個 |
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前瞻預算高達八千四百億已經是最後一期了最後一期沒兩年一期那快要花完了我們的政府前瞻目標達成了嗎我要他評分你把這個我們的執行要十年的前瞻計畫你們督導單位認為幾分他說不出來 |
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因為根本就沒有目標根本就沒有前瞻都是在解決眼前的事情用一種特別預算用舉債大家只是更臃腫永遠是人手不夠永遠是錢不夠養出了一個大胖子來最後需要養份就是養這個大胖子 |
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三分之的資源都是他自己消磨掉真正投入的有什麼前瞻我看到了太多的這種事情我舉了一個例子臺灣未來30年最嚴重的問題是什麼這不是前瞻應該要前瞻要問國發會啊國發會你答不出這個問題嗎未來30年最重要是什麼就是人口的問題嘛人口的問題天翻地覆 |
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臺灣接下來50年會減少900萬人 將近1000萬人減少欸 我們所有的勞動 這影響衝擊的層面有多廣 |
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這是今年10月17號國發會公佈了但是公佈完其實他已經拖了兩個月本來8月應該公佈但是他都不敢公佈因為問題變得嚴重我們的少子化提早的15年每年我們投入少子化的預算要1200億 |
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1200億一直投一直投結果還本來預估是2057年才會破10萬這次的預估是2040年就會破10萬那你每年1200億這個錢是怎麼花掉的不需要檢討欸沒有人在檢討欸要發掉明年再重編這個是我們政府的運作教育不一樣啊少子化少子化是現在才知道的嘛20年前就知道了然後呢 |
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現在然後呢一直開大學一直增加大學然後現在呢就一直關大學一直關大學你知道公務單位都一個思維就叫慣性要開的時候就一直開一直開一直開反正都不管任何原因就自己開要關了後就是一直關一直關一直關都沒有別的方法你知道嗎這種慣性往前就一直往前往後退就一直往後退這是我們培養出來的公務人員嗎 |
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571.473 |
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這是我們所做的,如果說只會這樣子,然後導致現在所以呢,我要提到的是所以呢,我覺得啦,這一個實驗室到了我這個就跳過去,我在考試院當中看到考試院是一個冷壓門我看到唯一有心去改革的只有一個人 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
572.779 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
597.374 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
就是前考試院長關忠他把考試院炒熱了然後我引述媒體採訪他他想要推動考期法的修訂認為公務人員現在不能大家都做好爛好人他說公務人員兵等不得低於3%結果引起反彈最後陣亡了但是關忠後來問他 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
599.915 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
599.935 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
謝謝吳委員 |
| IVOD_ID |
157407 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157407 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-22 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-22T15:53:28+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-22T16:03:51+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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