| IVOD_ID |
15740 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/15740 |
| 日期 |
2024-03-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-22-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-03-20T08:31:38+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-03-20T11:50:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
03:18:22 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/3832c314c43c373d8729a3a0ba87e8cc3082885ce373dc7a3be8d109af184be4feba887c72a5069e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-03-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：邀請中央研究院院長廖俊智列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。（3月18日、20日及21日三天一次會）） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:31:38 - 11:50:00 |
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MING PAO CANADA 字幕組 |
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報告委員會我們現在繼續開會今天的議程是邀請中央研究院院長廖俊智列席報告業務狀況並備質詢我們首先介紹在場的委員其次我們再介紹與會的一個官員在場委員有林倩琦委員 |
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中央研究院院長廖俊智 |
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堂堂副院長黃敬興副院長彭信坤秘書長陳君厚副秘書長邱繼輝執行秘書張典顯副執行秘書李超黃副執行秘書兼代主任呂妙芬副執行秘書 |
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陈顺仁代所长数学研究所张嘉生物理研究所王朝燕化学研究所副所长地球科学研究所的詹渝章副所长资讯科学研究所的廖鸿元所长统计科学研究所的杨新舟所长 |
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原子與分子科學研究所的魏金明所長還有天文及天文物理研究所的王維豪副所長還有應用科學研究中心的魏培坤主任還有我們環境變遷的陳瑜高主任還有我們資訊科技創新研究中心的龐愛君主任謝謝這個龐字應該老是念到你名字的時候都會停頓很久對不對 |
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謝謝李玉潔研究員這是我們資訊科技創新還有我們的植物及微生物的我們的吳素信所長還有細胞與個體生物學的李齊鴻所長還有生物化學研究所的呂同瑞所長謝謝還有生物醫學科學研究所的楊瑞彬代所長 |
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還有基因體研究中心的李志浩主任還有馬菲子生物研究所的陳懷榮所長還有農業生物科技的葉國珍主任生物多樣性研究的陳國勤主任生醫轉譯研究中心的吳漢忠主任 |
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還有臺灣人體生物資料庫的施修銘代表人．歷史研究所的林盛智副所長．還有我們民族研究所的張勛所長．歷近代史研究所的蓮玲玲副所長．還有我們經濟研究所的許玉靜代所長．歐美研究所的鄧育仁所長．社會學研究所的陳志柔所長． |
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1943.798 |
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中國文哲研究所的黃冠敏所長台灣史研究所的林文凱副所長林若望所長是語言學研究所還有吳清安政治學研究所的副所長還有簡資修我們法律學研究所的副所長還有張青青是我們人文社會科學的主任 |
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1945.717 |
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1951.685 |
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陳希遠﹐數位文化中心召集人﹑珍國祥﹑院本部秘書處處長﹑總務監南院服務處張剛維﹑陳秉興﹑法務處處長 |
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1962.139 |
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1967.343 |
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防務處處長陳建章學術及儀器事務處處長國際事務處無子孟子清處長陳林志資訊服務處處長制裁計轉處的邱文聰處長本部主席羅友聰主任周備方主任人事室鄭峰市楊尊仁主任 |
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1992.176 |
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1994.397 |
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謝謝主席,今天很高興來大院報告中央研究院的業務概況 |
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2018.814 |
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好,我們中央研究院的三項的重要的任務成就全球頂尖研究、研覽培育卓越人才及善盡社會關鍵責任下一張在近期重要研究成果方面呢我們成功的自研自製五位元的超導量子電腦已經達到臺灣量子科技的發展一個重要里程碑我們也在驅探燃氣技術方面成功的串接台電混清發電促成我國淨零碳排的早日達標下一張 |
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主要的研究成果還有我們在這個應科中心打造了自動化的這個messenger RNA的疫苗製程平臺原型機在地球所方面這個也研究與中正大學臺灣大學 |
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合作研究中央山脈斷層系統與東青斜篆骨系統間的復雜的相互作用．應科中心也開發了可偵測的可見光單光子超導光偵測器．並且我們環境變遷中心也探討了臺灣近年來干旱．對森林生態系統．稀存能力的改變 |
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2086.886 |
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2111.374 |
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在生醫所也研究阿茲海默症的罪魁禍首．發現了小膠質細胞半乳糖凝聚素3加劇套蛋白的疾病．並且發現了心臟成長過程中的關鍵角色的一個蛋白質．並且生醫所也利用細菌來消滅癌症．結合化療提高抗癌的免疫力 |
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生化所則利用X射線、X光的自由電子雷射技術．在極短時間內拍攝到DNA光解酶催化反應的作用機制分身所研究現蟲捕捉菌如何捕捉和消化現蟲分身所也發現葉綠體蛋白質運轉動力因子．位於內膜的兩個對策 |
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人文組方面．十一所陳韻如主研究員．也出版了一本英文的專書．中文名字叫做《梁芳中國中期一書中的實證證據》近十所也出版了一本英文的專書．以中央政治學校與國府地方治理．邁向超越科學的經世之術． |
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2166.676 |
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近時所也出版了一本《戰爭制度與思想,近代中國參謀本部的興起》此外也出版了這個以二為師中國現代作家的改造這是中國的文哲研究所的陳向英副研究員社會所的鄭彥新研究員發表了臺灣變遷中婚前親密關係的論文 |
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政治所的張亮年仲副研究員．發表了《戰略夥伴的局限．論中國在俄烏戰爭中的角色．在原住民相關學術研究方面．我們持續建構原住民族教育文化知識體系．並且舉辦Cadala Ronan路首五主導工作展． |
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本院許多研究人員．在過去一年當中．獲得許多重要學術獎項．譬如說本院的王范生院士．得到德國紅帛基金會．2023年的紅帛研究獎．李文雄院士．得到2022．2023年的總統科學獎．環變中心的徐網雄特別研究員．得到行政院傑出貢獻獎．政治所邱仿義研究員．也得到2023年行政院傑出科技貢獻獎．還有很多其他的獲獎同仁 |
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國家生技研究園區方面．我們持續推動各種業務．來促進國家生技產業的發展南部園區．我們也持續推動農業生技．並且開始建構量子科技．在海洋能除此之外．也在人文社會研究方面．開啟的人文研究基地的建置 |
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我們在南部院區也成立了關鍵議題研究中心協助解決社會的重大問題這個研究中心在今年1月3日正式成立 |
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中院院南部院區執行進度第一階段的新建工程已經竣工第二階段新建工程於去年竣工今年開幕使用量子科技大樓預計於116年完成我們也成立了南院服務處預計一個禮拜後正式接牌運作我們在國際合作方面我們持續參與世界世界望遠鏡就是所謂的這個黑洞的計畫 |
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我們也與波蘭科學院海洋研究所．打成雙邊合作計畫．在北極朝鮮帶研究全球暖化下的影響．我們也持續進行臺灣世代與性別調查．我們也率團拜訪了德國一些重要單位．譬如說紅帛基金會．Mass Plant學會．卡魯斯理工學院及巴斯福企業總部． |
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在人才培育方面．我們持續辦理國際研究生學程．並且開設國內博士班學生學位．並且舉辦人文講座 |
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那過去一年來本院特別提高博士生獎助金在博一至博二我們現在達到每個月4萬元的水準博三至博五每個月平均5萬元的水準此外我們也另外多設了一個人文社會科學博士生菁英獎學金 |
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我們也以中研院的經費．開放大學的教授申請中研學者的計畫．這個主要是要獎勵國內大學副教授以上．55歲以下中生代的優秀學者我們報告到此結束．感謝各位．其他的請參照我們的書面報告．謝謝 |
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好,謝謝我們現在謝謝院長的口頭報告我們現在進行詢答每位出席的委員之許時間是6分鐘必要時延長2分鐘列席的委員時間為4分鐘那發言登記截止的時間是上午10點30分 |
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主席謝謝,麻煩請廖院長 |
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中央研究院院長 |
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相對來講他預測你的報告裡面想說今年2024年的物價漲勢預計比今年和緩因為你們可能是用消費者物價指數或者是生產者物價指數這邊來去做一個累積等等好請教一下在去年的時候有沒有算過說今年有可能馬上面臨到4月的電價大幅調漲的一個因素好謝謝委員提問這方面經濟的問題我們請經濟所所長來回答來簡單說明好不好 |
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那你那時候講是說預物價有可能漲勢比今年和緩但是看起來啦 |
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李卓人議員 |
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報告委員,因為我們還沒有做詳細的分析,我不敢在這邊下案。我們有滾動式檢討嗎?還是現在大家朝廢廢一樣,還是中研院不用電是不是?報告委員,就是我們7月會有一個年中的預測法表會,我們會在那個時候再做更新。年中會做更新?中間的中,7月底。對,我們來,院長。院長,來,綜合判斷一下吧。 |
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我們中研院也是國內五大的這個重要的經濟預測單位嘛包括中央銀行、中研院、中經院、台經院等好那我現在要請教的是說其他的單位我們也都會預期嘛今年的經濟成長或是經濟的一個狀況那尤其消費者最關心的是物價通膨的部分那認為過去這兩年的物價漲的幅度有沒有有改你自己本身的經驗我 |
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前兩年相對來講我們的經濟表現是相對比較弱的那今年看起來會不會有物價有更成長的狀況所以我們當初也都沒有把這個電價調漲給算進去 |
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來,院長,我再請教 |
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其中有一個部分就是討論到電價的成長那電價的成長就是能源的部分我知道對於再生能源不管是2050淨零碳排不管是相對的這個再生能源應用本席也很關心其中你有提到這個淨零5支建對不對 |
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兩支箭其中地熱能跟海洋能本席認為是相對來說好像對於我們臺灣的得天獨厚的地理環境來講算是有所幫助的為什麼因為臺灣市面環海嘛那而且可能有一些火火山啊這些的地熱的部分那本席所在地的北海岸現在有合一場已經除役了金山 |
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對,院長講到重點了 |
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一個電廠的設定還有更重要是後面的電網的配置因為合一廠、合二廠以及協和電廠過去在那邊已經三四十年的發電也因此它本來就已經架設好完整的配電電網也因此如果說在那個 |
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附近不要太遠的地方能夠有新的再生能源的發電的使用那就可以利用原有的電網來去持續的供應我們整個台灣的供電相對來講成本第一可能建制成本會相對比較低第二溝通成本也會比較低還有可以轉型成再生能源尤其是北海岸有豐富的不管是海洋能不管是地能、地熱能等等的部分 |
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對,委員這個問題非常好。我們現在在大屯山附近探測的第二能源就是一部分左引這部分的考量。將來假如探測成功,我們可以利用這附近的既有的核電廠的設施。除了大屯山,它就是所謂的陽明山國家風景區,那另外還有就是所謂北海岸。 |
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好,謝謝 |
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我們最近也看到有所謂的SRF環境部經濟部在推動的固體再生燃料就是說將廢棄物燃料化那廢棄物燃料化呢我們看到說環境部其實有委託中研院說做懸浮微浮力 |
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系懸浮微粒化學成分監測與分析計畫那抽查某使用的SRF燃料的這個採樣．發覺歷年濃度最高的塑化劑．可能會對人體造成危害 |
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我想這個你應該有看到我看到新聞所以SRF它即便它是所謂的固體再生燃料是廢棄物燃料化可能又所謂的就我們以前講的這比較簡單講燒垃圾那你燒垃圾也許可以降低一些燃料的成本但是一定還是造成空污那你覺得有可能這樣子還被認定為綠電嗎 |
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這個應該是可以處理的問題當然委員提的問題是非常重要但是這個問題不見得不能處理我們要仔細了解但是我們會不會投入太多的成本反而造成是發電的效益及成本的投入不相符 |
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這個要仔細研究才知道因為你們過去的一個計畫裡面就已經有探測出說歷年濃度最高的塑化劑所以有可能是在處理的過程當中它的分類沒有辦法完整的分類而造成是說在燃燒的過程之中還是會有這些塑化劑在裡面 |
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這是因為有些塑膠它可能塑化劑用的比較高那這個可以用其他方法來處理所以這個可能需要再仔細研究我們請環變主任陳玉高來補充說明來補充說明一下簡單說明因為SRF有分好幾類有一類它的塑膠的含量比較高那以前我們沒有對燃燒出來的這些塑化劑的做處理 |
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現在知道它比較高用新的技術其實是可以加上去處理只是成本上還要再進展成本是不是就相對高了是其實很簡單的概念就是你前面的分類分得越細你可能你燒的東西是越純粹但是你前面分類的那個細的程度會不會反而造成很高的成本而不符合發電或是整個的成本效益這有可能對不對這有可能是 那另外再來標準誰定 |
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是我們環境部定還是中原運電還是誰來定定說這個SRF的分類分類到什麼程度我們再來燒它可以算是綠電目前我們國內有哪個單位是做這樣的事情還是只要是SRF都可以算是綠電因為我現在看起來好像經濟部他們就想這樣幹 |
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是 這個是用升值的概念來做這件事情因為SRF裡面升值的含量很高升值本身呢 不算碳排所以它有綠電的性質那但是其他還有其他的雜質所以不是SRF百分之百算綠電是 所以不是百分之百算綠電嘛其實說實在 如果說它的分類沒有到達你剛剛所講的真的很細微的話其實它中間太多雜質根本沒有辦法算綠電嘛 |
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雜誌的成分相對沒有那麼高因為我們的這些生活廢料裡面生殖的比例還算是蠻高的所以這個材料才來使用是 這個就是本席所提出來為什麼因為現在看起來北中南開始有SRF這業者去做地方說明會其中本席的選區也有 |
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但我們一直強調的是說是不是這個認定的部分你不能用這樣子它明明是垃圾或說明明是燒出來之後有太多的這個化學這種塑化劑等等的但是你怎麼會把它變成是綠電呢來院長最後一個問題抱歉主席一分鐘我有看到說我們最近也有在做這個AI的這個 |
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請教一下院長本期昨天我們也率先倡議了AI人工智慧基本法應該趕快來制定跟落實為什麼因為現在深層式AI的這個應用真的太普遍了看到去年有好萊塢的罷工潮看到很多方方面面都有在做AI的討論 |
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請教院長您的態度或是方向你這麼贊成我們國內應該趕快來做AI人工智慧基本法的一個定律我想這個朝這個方向是對的那要進行多快恐怕要學著專家一起來研議因為這個在全世界都還算相當新的相當新但是歐盟已經通過了是那我看我們是要跟隨歐盟 |
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您自己以這種學術高度來講這純粹是學術的探討沒有對錯但您自己的方向您認為是說臺灣目前走向比較適合走美日這種相對開放式的還是歐盟這種相對線索式的我想每一個國家的狀態都不太一樣我們要擷取其中的精華然後看說參照這個臺灣特有的狀況來定很難講說一定是朝哪一個方向但你覺得中華民國比較適合哪一個方向 |
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應用在我們的不管是方方面面、公部門、私部門、研究領域第一個我們要以人為本所以這個AI的發展要對臺灣的社會有正面的貢獻那我們才去做所以我們立法的宗旨可能要考量這方面每個國家的狀況都不一樣 |
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其實我們要保護個人隱私及其他一些智慧財產權還有一些假如公務機關用的話也有公務機關機密性的問題所以這些都要考量進去每一個國家可能都有狀態的不一樣所以這邊要仔細考量好 感謝院長我們沒有套好招喔 |
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謝謝主席,我們是不是請我們的院長,廖院長 |
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各位院長市議院長好我想中研院是我們全臺灣大家都無可否認就是一個最高的學術的單位那我們當然希望能夠留下最好的一個人才那院長過去曾經分析我們很多地方的人才為什麼會斷成大概就是就讀博士班的誘因偏低還有我們高教科研的人才待遇偏低退休所的偏低這是3D沒有錯吧 |
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7年來少了113人,原因在哪裡? |
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我想這個原因應該是主要可以說是少子化的一個過程另外呢很重要的一部分就是國際競爭越來越強是那我們一方面希望說台灣的學生留在台灣念一方面我們也希望說台灣多點學生出國去念這兩相比較之下我們難免會吸引一些這個台灣很優秀人才到國外去除此之外那國外人才也會被其他的 |
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我完全同意人才是應該互通的可是中研院應該是比別人更能夠提出優渥的一個條件可是院長我要存疑的就是為什麼你們在去年的時候曾經提說要來部約兒童要提高博士生的獎勵為什麼你上任2016年你已經看出這樣一個趨勢你在國外這麼久的時間為什麼到去年的時候你們才提出對於博士生的獎勵 |
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而且這時間點讓我不禁會想到說已經7年多你們沒有做這樣的舉動為什麼在去年做這是什麼樣的一個考量應該不是選舉吧 |
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這件事情也是需要經過長時間的分析因為仍然在學界有相當多的意見認為說這個博士生獎助金到底是不是可以提高人家就讀意願的唯一方式這個在學界仍然是有相當多不同意見除此之外呢 |
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我們也要看說這個我們的經費允不允許是但是還是一句話嘛經費有沒有允許去年時候就已經告訴我們你們是可以有辦法去提升的我只是質疑這個七年來說其實可以更早來去做這樣的事情而且你看出這樣的一個趨勢就是你們目前為止從三萬二變成三萬八甚至在博三博五的時候可以提高我們來看看其他國外我就看起來我真的覺得對我們台灣的人才能夠留住他們我真的畫上一個非常大的一個唇印你看德國 |
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這個都是我們就是用獎助學金來做這樣的一個比較嘛你看德國我們先不要比德國即使我們最近的一個日本然後再看看我們中研院其實在一些國這些研究機構當中我們台灣是遠遠的不如這不是說可以人才互通這幾乎就是人才已經往國外過去了而且更不要說國外有更好的一個研究的team |
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主席 |
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對我個人來說這個我們往下跳對我個人來說就是你也提到說如果我們一個隱形的國立就是來自於我們基礎人員的對不對基礎研究各位看一下中研院你看從113年到從106到10113幾乎你的基礎研究這是院長你在三不斷告訴我們應該要提升的可是很顯然完全不動就是六成 |
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對台灣非常多基礎科學的研究來說 這不是一件好事 院長你同意吧?非常同意 非常同意 可不可以讓我幾分鐘一分鐘好不好 我們兩個再講話 |
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所以你是跟著全世界趨勢嗎?我們不能自己先做嗎? |
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同意 同意 |
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另外我們剛才講說這個中央研究院的研究經費60幾%在基礎研究事實上不是這樣子幾乎是百分之九十幾的基礎研究其他沒有在60幾%那部分是人事費是維運費是包握在裡面所以我們看起來就60幾%但事實上中央研究院的所有的可以用來做研究的經費裡面百分之九十幾以上都是做基礎研究 |
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中央研究院 |
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委員會主席 |
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院長你知道嗎?你們中研院最能夠留下的人是什麼因素嗎?你們的幼稚園,好不好?很多人都認為這是他們留下來很重要的因素,我們怎麼可能到最後變成是這樣子呢?這讓我也覺得非常的驚訝。然後我們再來看一下,最後我們來看一下,因為大家都非常關切,中研院是我認為最有辦法得到真話的地方,學術是一個真理,我們就來看一下。 |
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院長你曾經說2026這個部分裏面你個人認為要達到一個非核幾乎是不可能的事情來我們往下看因為這個部分裏面來說2050年近鄰排汰院長你曾經說過幾乎做不到的目前你還是這麼認為嗎 |
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是非常困難我們現在是要持續努力困難但是我們是要持續努力確實是假如用我們現有的技術是很難達到淨零碳排的目標是所以大家都要一起好 那個我們目前來說知道我們中研院的去碳燃氫的這個部分是你們主打的一個範圍是的 |
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我講白話一點因為這個名詞實在是太多人不知道賴準總統說過故居有乾淨的煤如果照你白話來講今天終於應該是乾淨的氣但是呢透過一些的技術你們會有很多的技術但是重點是我們要發展你剛剛的去碳燃氣我們需要更多的天然氣那如果需要更多的天然氣的話院長你覺得這樣我們的電力的成本各方面會不會又因此提升我們現在是要50%如果你要發展這樣的方式的話你會你覺得 |
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主席 |
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所以我覺得這個部分一定要誠實的告訴大家我們如果要有乾淨的能源的話我們如果要投入這樣的一個技術的話基本上我們的電費我們的這個趨勢一定是會往上來提升嘛所以說這個成本裡面也同步會因為這樣子的關係為了要達到我們淨零排碳的這個目標我們去做到 |
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這個部分是絕對會是因此要提升的還有最後就是說我們希望我們能夠達到所謂的淨零我們來看看目前全世界的趨勢基本上要減碳的目標我們台灣目前只有24%你覺得淨零的科技有沒有辦法幫台灣提前達到減碳我們跟其他國家比起來人家都是四成以上我們現在幾乎只有24而已而且我剛剛說的2030減碳的目標比別人設的還要更低我們需要天然氣的這樣的量又更大我們的電費需要更多我們未來的漲電會是一個趨勢 |
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說了這麼多有沒有辦法就中議院向目前強打的這個政策來說有辦法幫我們提前達到這個目標嗎我們要更加努力更加努力是一個精神名詞喊話我要確切的目標有沒有辦法達到操作型定義我們可能沒有辦法這個在現有的資源下達到因為各國 |
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韓國瑜議員 |
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主席 |
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好,我們有請主席,麻煩你幫我要請那個廖院長好,院長,謝謝 |
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院長早 院長今天帶著中研院的領帶上次你有跟我分享那很開心有這個機會跟你先期瞭解一下中研院那待會有一些問題會很尖銳那也會希望說能夠参差出一些火花但都是為了國家也更希望能夠教學相長然後一起來探討相關的問題 |
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我想2023年10月12日史丹佛大學公布全球前2%的一個頂尖科學家台灣有1447人入榜這一份數據你有掌握嗎? |
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沒有仔細看但是這個已經在學界這個到處都傳很久了好其中台大呢有308人成大有156人陽明交通有112人清華有92人台科大70人那中研院上次你也有跟我分享沒有教學工作和其他學生輔導種種事情等於就是沒有在經營學校相關的事務 |
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但是中央醫院只有63人入榜請問院長你要不要解釋一下 |
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我們要看這個百分比中央研究院總研究人員的人數比較少而且很多這些數據都是在比如說理工科中央研究院有三分之一強的研究人員是在人文科學方面這裡面就不列入考量評比除此之外我們的人大部分也都在這個大學有這個這個和平課不是 |
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我個人是這樣認為就像您常說的 |
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這個數據可能非常複雜但是我們把它仔細看起來我想我們要以整個台灣的進步為方向當然整體來說都是台灣人但是我要講的是因為我們大家要知道就像你剛剛講的你也很跟我分享中研院就是沒有在做這樣子相關的一個教學事務 |
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那當然你剛剛有提到台大、成大這些可能會有一起合併一起做一些研究那我個人還是覺得因為中央研究院畢竟每年花國家預算130多億結果學術的成果跟台青成交完全不能比連中興大學都58人入榜那我想那這些你所說的這些有合併在聘請這樣子的一個相關的科學員那他就回去大學 |
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去工作就好,國家財政有限,大學也可以做學術的研究我想這個有幾點要澄清第一個,雖然我們法定任務沒有教學但是大部分我們的研究人員都有在上課都在大學也在合併,也很多在大學開課我們的副院長每個禮拜都要去台大上一門課 |
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一份連我們的副院長都在上課所以不能講說我們沒有上課此外我們的研究成果剛才已經跟委員報告我們研究成果大部分也都有掛大學的名字所以不能以大學幾人我們幾人畢竟我們總共的研究人員人數比大學少很多 |
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我想國家每年編列131給中研院這都是國人辛苦的納稅錢請問院長不論研究員、副研究員、助理研究員平均一年養一位研究人員大約花多少錢這你有計算過嗎 |
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國家養一位研究人員投資報酬率是多少?計轉的金額有多少?這可以來計算嗎? |
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可以,可是這不是中央研究院的任務因為中央研究院的法定任務是做基礎學術研究我們不是在做記轉當然我們也很鼓勵記轉我們也很希望把基礎研究的成果能夠應用到社會但是應用到社會這個本身是比較屬於其他單位的責任我們會鼓勵,我們會朝這方向走但是我們是以創造知識來開發知識的前沿 |
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這個上次你有跟我分享過我知道但或許你覺得我的問題苛刻了那面對這些數據我想基於國家財政看緊國人的荷包錢要花在刀口上那我個人認為就這一份數據讓我看到可能是出錢的可能你認為是還有待更進一步的去了解但我覺得如果就這一份數據來看結果中研院的學術成果還輸給一般大學我希望 |
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能夠有一些檢討這都是為了國家能夠更好那另外我想跟您請問你知道最近衛福部放寬各級診所自行訂定掛號費的理由是什麼嗎不清楚耶院長不關心國家大事來衛福部放寬各級診所自行訂定掛號費的理由是尊重市場機制 |
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院長尊重市場機制所以只有把中研院有沒有機會改成財團法人來讓市場機制還有社會各界的評價決定中研院哪些該縮編哪些該改善實在達不到社會的期待我想有些部分應該要做予以調整你覺得這個部分有沒有什麼要回應 |
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我想我們在持續精進那我們不排除任何可能那中文院當然是一個台灣一個非常特殊但是我必須講是非常珍貴的一個單位在全世界幾乎僅有有這樣一個政府來支持專門專注於基礎研究已經是絕無僅有剛才有委員提到說我們要加強基礎研究這是全國唯一 |
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重視基礎研究的地方當然我們可以考量說是不是可以有其他的方法做得更好所以委員提案可以是來討論看看謝謝你這麼正面的一個回應但我以上的言論我要跟您報告我一定要支持你們但是我是探討哪些該檢討 |
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有財團法人臺灣綜合研究院財團法人中華經濟研究院但每當國內外發生種種經濟 |
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我想這個部分你有沒有什麼要回應? |
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好 這個我們會請經濟所看是不是可以思考朝這方向來稍微做調整好 因為我們希望中研院是我們賴以期待的一個很重要的研究單位如果有你們的一些說法或許對我們的國家生計也有一些幫助那當然就我們看到你的業務報告結語有講與時俱進的探討社會關鍵的問題善盡社會責任院長以經濟所為例 |
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他有盡到探討社會關鍵問題、善盡社會責任嗎?就剛剛我這樣提應該好像永待加強對嗎?所以今天我建議改成拆端法人 |
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請院長簡單的舉例五年內有哪些這樣子的建言有獲得回應的事蹟 |
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譬如說回溯剛才也有委員提到第一個我們建請政府相關單位加碼博士生的補助而且有特殊的機制不要把它放在研究經費裏面政府都有回應嗎有此外我們也建議說要提高現職研究人員的薪資研究人員包括中研院研究人員及大學的教授 |
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因為時間有限我想這些具體的回應呢有獲得的你有覺得滿意的可以把這些相關資料讓我們知道一下可以嗎會後麻煩你整理給我最後我要再說出就是再生能源不管是您所一直在努力的去碳所謂天然氣這個部分還有所謂的地熱還有 |
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主席 |
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好 謝謝羅委員不過剛剛針對羅委員提到有關於中研院的研究的產能比不上我們一般的大專院校我想在場所有的所長都是表現出非常好非常一副的表情我是不是建議院長你可以把你剛剛所評比的量比的母數來做個更完整的說明給羅委員一份也給我一份好不好你們終於要為捍衛你們自己認為你的研究不輸於其他部分你必須要在這地方抵制你的defense好不好 |
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教學相長,大家一起探討,謝謝 |
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好 我們接下來我們是不是請我們第4位質詢的吳佩奕委員謝謝主席 我請總研院院長 |
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院長好,我在當研究生的時候曾經也在中研院擔任過了三年的研究助理所以在中研院的這個生活呢我的印象最深刻、最有感觸的就是中研院的院區裡面的空氣感覺是很寧靜 |
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但是呢 我們可以很深刻的感受到所有的研究人員他在漫長的這個調研的時間當中當他的研究有一點成果的推進的時候那個心情之激動以及整個團隊的振奮我想那就是我們學術的價值以及學術的精神學術自由是我們中華民國憲法所捍衛的自由 |
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所以院長當你站在立法院來備詢的時候：你的發言其實也代表我們全臺灣所有學術人的發言我希望我們能夠更加的去捍衛我們學術的價值我們臺大傅斯年校長曾經講過大學的精神貢獻這所大學與宇宙之精神 |
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學術的研究本身就是貢獻宇宙之精神就在於它的價值我覺得這件事情是很重要那當然我們國人對於中研院有所期待成為我們的報告當中所提出的我們中研院的任務除了有研究有人才的培育也在於我們有社會的責任 |
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所以我們相關的研究成果．若能夠對我們的臺灣社會．在科學、在經濟、在人文相關的層面．能夠有所推進．那也是在於我們中研院的社會責任．這一點是我覺得院長能夠更加的清楚去闡述．那我看到的是我們今年1月．來成立了關鍵議題研究中心．那這個研究中心我們目前是選定了兩個研究． |
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中央研究院院長 |
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事實上中央研究院有許多在研究關鍵議題要納入關鍵議題研究中心我們的考量點是要一個特殊的推動辦公室來推動這個計畫以這種制度能夠幫忙的我們才納入關鍵議題研究中心但是 |
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委員會主席 |
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關鍵議題研究中心成立辦公室 |
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我們通常都是把這個我們所謂的政策額度計畫爭取的項目納入關鍵議題研究中心然後定期來這個推動 |
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就既有的研究計畫把它納入也不能說它是既有因為這個計畫是每年需要申請每年需要我們目前是選定了兩個計畫主題我們有沒有預估說未來要每年要增我們是以數量來預估還是以符合你們的標準要符合你們的標準我就要問說我們來評估這個標準有沒有哪些的項目 |
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基本上就是我剛才提到說雖然很多議題都非常關鍵但是它在既有的制度下都已經做得很好我們就不需要把它挪到關鍵議題研究中心那這邊通常都是比較團隊的合作目前有沒有已經在討論評估當中的未來的關鍵議題比如說所有的這個淨零相關的科技目前譬如說納入海洋能那其他的項目我們也都在評估是不是要納入在裡面一起來推動 |
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近鄰科技 |
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中央研究院2022年發布《台灣淨零科技政策的建議書》2023年推出《淨零科技的研發計畫》其中有一個《驅探計畫》也是院長帶領主持請問提出《淨零科技的建議書》最大的建議方向是什麼? |
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就是我們所謂的近鄰五支箭第一個我們要把天然氣先把它碳取出產生氫再用氫來發電這是第一項第二項是發展高效太陽能光電第三項是地熱第四項生成地熱第四項是海洋能第五項是生殖碳匯所以這是我們最大的五個重點 |
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其中在去碳燃氫的這個技術﹐我們目前是已經取得了一個初步的成果﹐已經跟台電合作﹐已經發出了第一度電那目前我們未來有沒有相關的計畫﹐因為我知道我們要朝向規模化﹐希望未來有機會能夠落地來能夠商轉﹐目前的這個預估的期程是什麼 |
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主席 |
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．3月18日及21日三天一次會議 |
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所以我們是還在實驗當中你目前的轉化率是多少? |
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就是這個轉化率是可以看你要投入多少能量你只要投入越多換句話說成本越多你轉化率就越高所以我們要轉化率要變到百分之九十幾以上那也沒問題但是成本就比較高那在可見的成本之下我們做到10%、20%這個成本目前的狀態那完全是看你的成本你要願意投入多少成本 |
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所以這個成本的投入也是逐步可以下降你研發越有進度你將來成本也會越往下走最主要這是可以取代目前一般其他國家想要做的碳捕捉、碳封存的一個取代的技術因為我們只要把這個碳先移除就不需要有碳捕捉就不需要有碳封存這樣子的技術 |
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與這個技術是相對應的我們要看說這個可不可以用這個技術來取代目前已有的碳捕捉、碳封存的一個做法因為淨零碳牌現在這是全球不只是趨勢事實上台灣如果我們要加入跟其他國家來進行經濟等等相關的互動未來這都是一個標準所以我們國家必須要投入很大的資源在能源轉型當中其中能源轉型當中重要就在於 |
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第5號 葛如君 葛委員 |
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主席有請中研院廖院長院長各位院長早在今年2月書展的時候中研院以AI社會登入中為主題開啟了AI學術思辨和創新應用的討論也充分展現了中研院正面迎接生成式AI浪潮的態度本席表示肯定 |
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近年面對AI的突飛猛進我們可以說AI就像一個學習得很快長得很快的小孩超級成長的速度目前最常接觸到的語言可以說是英文70%以上簡體中文是2% |
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反體中文真的是相對的很少你覺得這個小孩長大的時候還有可能去真正的去理解我們反體中文嗎?還有可能用台灣在地化的邏輯和詞彙來交流表述嗎?我想可想而知很可能是不容易的因此在這樣的一個時代裡頭反體中文優化跟AI生存式AI的結合一直是近來本席非常關注的議題我相信中研院院也是所以我想請教一下院長您認為強化AI反體中文的優化 |
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對臺灣來說重要嗎?必要性是什麼?非常重要我想委員剛剛已經講得非常清楚現在繁體中文在AI這個大型語言模型的訓練方面相對的不足所以這方面這個國科委已經啟動這個臺德計畫那本院很多研究人員也都參與其中甚至在其中擔任重要的這個領導這個方向所以這方面我們會大力的推動 |
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昨天總質詢的時候本席也跟陳院長提到AI透過潛移默化的過程已經成為最獨裁的話語權王者目前的大型語言模型我們剛剛提到70%是英文的2%大概是簡體中文繁體中文大概是多少?低於0.1% |
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所以基本上簡體中文的內容在他訓練的過程裡占了20倍那我想這個日本在去年因應這樣的一個問題這可以說我們都是小魚種啦面對這樣的挑戰日本可以說大刀闊斧在去年將AI學習開發階段的版權見解正式用官方說明利用版權內容進行AI模型的開發學習原則上無需 |
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經過版權所有者的授權同意除非有超過必要限度或不合理損害到版權所有者的權益時才會有侵存的問題這個做法可以說和歐盟、美國目前為止的見解有點不一樣可以說是相當先進請教一下院長您如何看待日本的做法日本的經驗適合我們接近嗎? |
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我覺得這是非常前瞻的一個做法我們當然是需要深入的研究在裡面的利弊得失不能因為說這個太先進我們不做或者是因為抄襲我想他一定有他獨到的一面我們怎麼樣擷取他的優點來看我們台灣怎麼做 |
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謝謝院長的開放的精神其實中研院去年就在10月上旬有個事件在釋出導入明星研究的繁中優化大型原模型深層爭議的一些內容當時引起了一些討論中研院也很謝謝因為這個爭議成立了AI風險研究小組 |
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這個事件雖然有一些爭議或討論但更重要的是凸顯了AI學習的過程當中免不了跌跌撞撞本席在這裡還是要支持希望專業院不要怕我們不要一招被蛇咬十年怕草繩這種先進的科學研究其實真的是要放寬心放開手 |
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小組的完整報告什麼時候會完成呢? |
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5232.12 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
5253.737 |
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各位委員您好,我是中央法律所邱文聰也是擔任這個小組的成員之一我們小組總共有12位成員,院內外的專家包括法律學者時間有限,什麼時候會完成報告?我們已經有一個其中的進度報告目前有一個盤點出來就是說可能的風險來源大概有三個如果委員需要進一步垂詢的話,我們可以來提供 |
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我想在中研院事件爭議以後,這是一個全民一起努力,鼓勵院長我們可以更開放、更開源。這件事情上不需要一肩扛旗,閉門造句,而是要群策群力。在這個事件以後,臉書用戶甚至開設了自發性的繁體中文內容的開源社團。 |
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並且提到,終究是要做台灣的資料庫：何不用開源社群來開始做呢?再次凸顯,我們應該要有自己的語言資料庫：而且越大越好：這件事,不只是政府和企業認為重要：許多一般的民眾鄉民阿宅：包括我個人也都是非常關心：單體中文優化在AI上面,可以說急起直追 |
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我相信這個語言的內容：或者大型語言模型的推進：一定也有 |
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中央研究院院長 |
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去盡量的更開放有更前瞻的見解那最後呢透過網路資訊查詢起來也想要了解一下這個臺德計劃中央院有這個李玉潔老師研究員我也非常景仰他的相關研究成果在這個計劃上面想要了解一下中央院投入了多少是不是有不夠的地方我們希望可以一起來爭取中央院有沒有釋出相關的資料來協助臺德計劃的訓練 |
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委員你好,我是李玉潔中文院提供了言之有物的計畫至於中文院在數位人文中心裡面的資料,事實上有一些是涉及著作權,我們還在洽談中 |
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希望可以再釋出更多其實中研院的各單位都有豐富多元的研究成果歷史資料以及數位典藏相信對於大型語言訓練來說都是非常珍貴的資料來源過去副師年這個校長是透過了一台一台的牛車把這些資料運回來從十一所開始從上海到南京再到雲南最後到達台灣 |
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中研院真的有非常非常多豐富的資料希望能夠把它釋出出來讓我們一起來訓練讓這個模型的知識可以更豐富更好讓巨量的資料庫不再只是一座靜態的倉庫或孤島臺德計畫預計2024年要達到13B甚至未來70B的規模希望中研院或者國科會都不要覺得我們臺德現在7B的參數已經達標言之有物的內容是可以有幫助但是我相信中研院還有更多豐富的典藏 |
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或者相關的這個歷史資料．不管是圖片還是文件．都希望能夠擁抱開放．擁抱開源．如果中研院能夠帶頭我們的民間．或者政府的機關．就可以願意大量的釋出我們的臺德計畫．一定可以讓我們的這個所謂AI小朋友．馬上就從幼稚園跳大學了好不好所以我做個結語．我好像應該要這個確認一下．你們同不同意就是說院長是否願意承諾未來．會積極釋出中研院內的各類資料庫．來供AI訓練 |
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我這邊會幫忙爭取支援但是開放的態度能不能承諾一下當然,謝謝委員的支持這也是我們一貫努力的目標好,那麻煩將開放的期程盤點出來交到本席辦公室我們一起來努力好,謝謝3月初故宮來教育委員會來報告業務的時候我也曾經建議故宮院長對深層視野愛圖黨的應用可以思考開放 |
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謝謝,這是我們一貫的目標,謝謝委員支持 |
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林怡瑾委員 |
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林委員早院長早我想中研院作為全國最高的學術研究機構那定期向社會分享這個學術研究的果實並且有各種方式致力於這種高深的學術研究轉譯為親民且易於了解的內容我覺得這是值得相當 |
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中央研究院院長廖俊智列席報告 |
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更生動與人民交流上個月底舉辦的臺北國際書展中研院以AI社會登入中為主題以各種面向探討AI科技 |
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臺北國際書展參展主題相比較 |
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人權管這次書展的主題叫做《寫會人權》展出多本人權繪本的形式向觀展的民眾甚至鎖定在第一年凌晨的方式 |
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展示這個正義與人權的教育那我們來看就是說我們中研院就是說當然我們是AI嘛主體那人工智慧的應用當然就是是當代兒少未來一定會面臨到的議題所以我們必須要搭上這個趨勢所以從小建立這個基礎的知能瞭解怎麼樣在各個領域來應用對下一代兒少當然相當的重要 |
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就如同我剛一開頭肯定跟讚賞的就是說中研院其實我期待做出更親民友善的這種轉譯的內容那所以像這次的這個AI社會登錄中雖然中研院的出版中心臉書有PO文說今天有小讀者觀展可是院長認為 |
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這次的策展以創新科普的方式來呈現有沒有相對疏忽照顧到這個兒少科普教育的情形那再次這次書展我們有沒有這個兒少友善的相對的書目那同樣的也想請院長回覆在去年10月院區開放這個兒童科普日的這個活動中有沒有收到 |
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相對的要進行一些改善或建議的回饋那我想針對中研院經營這個兒少科普這個業務你覺得還有什麼努力的空間沒有?好 謝謝委員首先回答這個我們去年首度舉辦的這個兒童科普日我們非常感謝這個立法院的建議並且全部這個中研院的學者專家 |
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大部分人都投入來籌劃這個有史以來第一次這樣的展有許多這個同仁花了很多精神那也確實吸引非常多的小朋友除了小朋友之外還有家長也都樂在其中所以我們得到非常大的正面的迴響我們今年還會繼續舉辦 |
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至於說這個AI在兒童科普方面畢竟AI是一個非常新的一個議題連大人都不曉得怎麼樣面對AI所以我們會將來朝這方向走那剛開始我們今年可能確實是在AI的兒童科普方面是可能沒有這方面的突兀但是這也是一個很好的一個未來的發展方向但是我擔心等到我們有的時候AI已經變了 |
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因為AI變化非常快所以等到我們知道怎麼樣教小孩子的時候AI已經不一樣了所以這方面也是大家必須要正式面對的問題不過委員提的這個方向都是非常正確的方向我們會朝這方向持續思考努力走快一點 |
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去年5月本席曾問過去碳燃清發電技術的基本內容跟發展的可能 |
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一年過去了我想這項技術是不是有更更新的進度這部分要想進一步追問簡單來說我們相對於天然氣發電去碳燃清的發電技術幾乎不會產生二氧化碳 |
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對達成淨零碳排的目標有非常大的注意所以去年11月蔡總統也出席了中研院跟臺電合辦的去碳燃金發電技術的發布會會中也有指出說在去年的9月也成功發出臺灣第一度的零碳電力首度成功串接小型的商用發電機組蔡總統對這項技術是非常的肯定所以 |
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去年2月中研院也有跟臺電簽署減碳備忘錄．首推去碳燃氣應用．也跟臺電工程人員積極合作．中研院也有跟國內氣體廠商合作． |
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目標就是把去碳燃氣產出的氫氣用於興達電廠燃氣混氫的發電示範所以想要就教院長說這項去碳燃氣的技術在大規模的商轉前還有什麼可以精進的空間那什麼時候可以規模化的投入商轉 |
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好 這個謝謝委員提問 這個非常重要的一個議題那區段燃清雖然它有很多好處但是剛才有其他委員提到這個不可避免它是要成本的並不是一個完全這個天上掉下來的禮物所以我們的目標就是怎麼樣降低成本雖然我們可以達到目標但是我們希望說電價即使要漲不會漲得很多那講大家可以接受的範圍這種需要努力的方向 |
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那什麼叫大家可接受範圍那個可能要與時俱進我們跟業界一起來做那我們從技術角度我們持續精進怎麼樣把這個成本降越低怎麼樣看可以用新的科技新的做法讓規模放大的同時成本也可以降低所以這個是這個非常艱辛的一個工作那我們院裡面也積極在投入持續在投入謝謝委員的關心 |
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另外,中研院永續科學中心表示,去退燃氫從實驗室進入工廠的生產規模,我們要考慮到安全的規範和生產效率。所以有關燃氫,我們該如何在未來相轉時,要確保化學原料的品質。 |
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我的意思是說我們這個同樣是這個化學原料的這個問題就是說固態碳雖然比二氧化碳更容易保存儲存可是它數量因為十分龐大所以是否要積極的開發應用跟處置這個問題 |
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我們也同時在同步處理這方面我們的想法事實上也跟很多的業界同步在進行可以做初期可以做一些高單價的碳材的應用中期可以做比較低單價的碳材應用主要是用在建材成本那在晚期真的要大型應用的時候就要利用這些固態碳 |
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來做碳封存的一個動作．比如說可以用來做填海造陸．比如說可以做長期的儲存．甚至我們要考量變成備用的能源．假如哪一天我們能源有缺乏．這些固態的碳．就可以當作緊急時的能源使用． |
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．3月18日及21日 |
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中央研究院院長 |
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接下來登記第7號陳秀寶委員 |
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謝謝主席 請院長委員早院長早昨天在教文組的總質詢本席有針對短影音的部分提出我的質詢那院長應該有聽到昨天在本席質詢短影音這個部分那這邊要來請教院長過度不當的使用短影音對孩子這個 |
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的發展會有所影響這個部分院長你同意嗎這部分我比較沒有研究不過這個看起來有這個可能但是我不是這方面專家你自己使用過短影音嗎大概偶爾看過不是說一天到晚使用因為你也很忙可能沒有很多時間像這些孩子一樣可能用了就成癮 |
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今天再提一次關於短影音這個問題因為本席昨天有提到短影音大部分其實大部分的短影音它都是使用是簡體的文字簡體中文那現在最夯的短影音平台像是抖音還是小紅書那這些短影音的強勢入侵其實很嚴重的影響到大家對繁體中文的使用跟認知不管是在國際間還是對我們的孩子都有很大的影響 |
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另外一個狀況就是說當現在我們正要在發展我們AI模組要發展的時候我們需要大量的繁體中文的資料讓AI來學習跟連結其實我們繁體中文的資料提供的越完整越多那它所表達出來的訊息才會更清晰更完整更正確 |
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但是如果說現在遇到的狀況是反體中文的資料量是比較少的那現在這種狀況幾乎可以算是另外的假工因為我們反體中文的資料庫的資料量是偏少那加上如果我們的孩子已經被習慣去使用反體中文那院長你覺得說這樣子對我們之後的AI的語言模型發展有什麼影響? |
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確實正如委員提的,將來假如沒有很多的繁體中文的資料來訓練新的大型語言模型的話將來對我們這個文化的發展是非常大的一個負面的影響所以這方面中文委員也在思考怎麼樣開放,盡量開放我們所有的繁中的資料 |
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讓我們的AI的研究學者能夠一起來訓練我們AI的研究那這方面李一傑要不要講一下剛剛委員的質詢事實上都是非常正確我們也用類似的說法其實成功的說服像公共電視、像ETtoday他們都是無償釋出他們的繁體中文的資料庫那這個也是我們對外的 |
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其實這個部分跟之前我們中研院發生過就是會有錯誤的這個中國觀點這個錯誤的語言模型也是有相關的中研院也有學者是提到說台灣需要自己的大型的語言資料庫那院長這邊本席想要了解說你們剛剛說你們會來協助那你們如何協助來整合我們繁中語言的資料庫 |
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有怎樣比較具體的規劃?第一個我們能夠開放的部分目前沒有牽涉到任何智慧財產權或是copyright的部分我們能夠開放的我們儘量立即馬上開放目前還有一些法規限制的部分我們儘量看能夠排除這些法規的限制朝向能夠把所有的資料都讓AI的大巡弋模型訓練朝這方向走 |
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其實院長您講到一個重點我們的資料如果能夠被釋出能夠越多的資料來提供那對於使用者他的方便性方便度越高那這樣子的訊息交流量越高的話才能夠讓更多的人來使用的順手那就本席目前所知呢國科會這邊也有向中央設來購買資料庫 |
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中央社應該是目前齊公繁中資料庫是首選因為他的是非常非常完整再來這邊還要請教院長說未來對我們的AI對話引擎我們如何協助之外我們是不是也會我們如何來協助國科會來發展台版的CHEP |
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我們跟國會是攜手合作的國會計畫大部分的成員都是我們院裡面的成員所以我們沒有不分彼此事實上我們是同一個團隊在做的 |
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現在很多這種詐騙的手法不管是AI圖片、AI假影片讓我們防不勝防 |
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現在甚至有外媒教導如何來辨識AI假圖片院長你看一下這張圖片這個部分有6個重點就是教人家怎麼來辨識放大仔細看找到發圖來源那種種其實 |
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雖然說他有這樣子叫人家怎麼去判斷那其實這個AI生成的假圖片如果說我們有這樣的程式去判斷它還是會出錯所以專家會建議說還是不用微妙因為有時候這個工具會把真實的圖片當作是假的那假的他又分辨不出有哪一些是真的那我們 |
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如果說民眾有這樣的疑慮就是說我們如何人沒有辦法辨認的時候那我們有辦法藉助AI的技術來辨認AI生成的圖片或影片嗎? |
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我們請專家廖宏元所長來回答委員你好這個題目其實我10年前在做數位臨場國家人計畫的時候那個影像篡改數就是我在做的那那個部分是為目的那個時候的目的是為了能夠修復我們那些在檔案局或者是國家電影館裡面那些影片因為那些影片會長霉 |
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因為是膠捲的所以把它數位化以後裡面會有煤在上面所以我那時候是2008年左右專門在研發這個然後那時候的結論就是說如果我們沒有在取向的過程裡面就放浮水印的話事實上這樣是很難偵測的因為以我那時候的技術就可以弄得幾乎亂蒸就你沒有辦法判別的 |
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甚至於可以把我自己的現代人塞到古代的影片裡面去黑白的那你沒有辦法分辨說在走路的那些人裡面哪一個是現代人哪一個是過去的所以現在目前的這個deep fake所產生的這些東西如果在成像的過程裡面沒有適當的放浮水印進去防衛的話事實上是可以隨意篡改而且以我的技術你們是沒有辦法分辨的 |
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所以這會變成一個很可怕的現象是我們無法分辨這個到底是真的還是假的也沒有技術可以分辨嗎是這個意思這就是我前一陣子講的那個Deepfake的技術救了所有那些做壞事的壞男人跟壞女人因為我們可以沒有辦法驗證說他們到底是不是真的所以過去的那些做壞事的人都可以 |
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所以以AI技術來合成的這些假影片假圖片我們沒有辦法用AI的技術反推回去說他是一個假的沒有辦法目前是沒有辦法的那我們對本身當然我們對AI的期待是非常的高那也因為AI是我們很未知的 |
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他未來的走向發展到怎樣的進展到現在比如說剛才您的回答是說如果是用AI生成的這個假圖片假相假影片他技術非常是高超的時候不管是AI的技術都無法分辨人也無法分辨那到那個時候那真的會是一種不可控的一個局面面對這樣子的現象其實不管是官司訴訟不管是民眾的交易糾紛不管是詐騙這樣的我們都防不勝防那民眾該如何自保 |
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這些事情就像在辦刑事的案件一樣因為在呈堂的證供裡面你如果拿出一個改變內容的東西的話是不能當呈堂證供因為我也長久以來一直幫刑事局在處理犯罪的資料但是我們要有辦法證明它是改變的變造的沒有辦法證明沒有辦法證明因為按照現在的技術你真的沒有辦法證明合成的影像或video是沒有辦法的 |
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所以現在民眾只能希望說我們的各專家我們的各學者盡量的朝這個方向去精進去研究讓AI它是可以功能很強大但是我們又可以信任未來可能有新的方法可以做這件事情但是目前還沒看到那我應該代表我們的民眾們來要求來拜託期待說我們盡快把這樣的技術發展出來這件事情是可遇不可求因為全世界都期待有這樣的技術目前好吧那大家一起加油了謝謝 |
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謝謝主席,有請院長 |
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國務委員早院長早安我們知道其實中研院算是我們國家當中學術的最高的一個殿堂那當然其實也培養很多所謂的這個學術研究人才的一個地方所以其實我們人才積極都在中研院但是其實人才多壓力其實也大剛剛其實我聽到這個吳佩儀委員他說他之前也在中研院待過 |
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委員會議員 |
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我知道我們中研院的關懷中心是在2020年的年底有一個正式的成立那包含有時候會不定期的舉辦的一些關於這方面的一些講座或者是心理諮商的一個課程或者是一些諮詢那到目前為止去年之前其實我們發現就是最後一次舉辦活動是在12月27號但是到目前為止其實已經三月多了 |
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孟處長 |
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委員好 國際處處長報告我們公害中心的作業是每年年初的時候會統整去年所有的業務所以在年初的這一兩個月公害中心心理師他們必須要把去年所有的業務做一個非常明確的業務報告 |
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所以這個報告前兩週剛剛做好那他們報告做完了之後就馬上會開始今年度的活動所以前面兩個月的確是目前還沒有開始目前是還沒有開始好那另外其實我想提到的就是關於在我們整個關懷中心的整體的一個預算的部分我們來稍微看一下我們發現其實在人事的費用其實高達了90.2%其實人事的費用占最高 |
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另外包含教育訓練以及行政事務費其實行政事務費應該就是包含剛剛我所說的如果我們是不定期的在舉辦的一些不管是心理諮商的一些活動或者是講座這個部分可能有場地的布置講師的邀請等等的預算都會放在這行政事務費上但是因整年的編列的預算是只有23萬多這樣子的預算能夠 |
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孟初議員 |
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6883.076 |
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因為我們活動原則上都是在院內舉辦所以場地費我們院內就會自行吸收那目前的行政事務費主要是邀請講師的終點費那心理師的薪資當然他們也已經被其他的經費所吸收所以目前這樣子的編列預算在過去兩年看起來是足夠的但是我們當然會持續再檢討 |
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最近有很多校園平傳輕生或自殘昨天在桃園也有這樣的案例發生我們希望這件事情不會發生在中研院我們盡量注重研究人才的心理健康 |
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謝謝委員接下來其實我想問的就是上次其實在國科會的質詢當中其實我們有特別提到所謂的太子我相信剛剛前面幾位的委員其實都有特別提到這個部分當然如果最後計畫成功其實我們的模型其實也可以複製包含所謂的像是Meta、Google、OpenAI等等那我們當然希望我們台灣自己本身的AI在國際當中更有所謂的發語權 |
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李玉潔研究員 |
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這部分我們是有信心的但我這裡提到說這一個Tide的計畫在進行其實在這過程裡面AI進步非常非常多那我們除了這一個模型是基於那個Meta的Lama2它是一個可商用的open model然後灌上我們自己的繁體中文與料庫那接下來我們還有把模型持續擴展 |
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包括最近最紅的在法國的新創MICTRO他們模型我們已經持續開發那我認為這是一條長遠的路那吳主委也講說不只延一年後續怎麼承接對模型的maintain然後資料庫的累積這些都是未來很重要的工作項目 |
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在整個發展的過程當中其實我們剛剛也特別提到其實科技越發達其實我們大家也就越來越多的擔憂了怎麼維護好我們國人的一些資安呢? |
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委員會主席 |
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推廣我們都會把這些AI的素養帶進去所以會帶進所有的教育層面是的,包括剛剛提到的Deepfake這些都是在我們所有對外推廣都會提醒民眾好,那我們希望能夠趕快看到然後台灣的AI能夠真的跟國際一起 |
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7069.07 |
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再來就是講到所謂的科普其實我們知道其實中研院這幾年來一直在做所謂的科普這樣的一個推廣尤其是言之有物是在2017年我們特別成立的這樣子的一個科普的一個媒體當然其實後來也把一些大家覺得很艱深的一些所謂的這個高科技的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[235].text |
曾副主席 |
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7125.998 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
秘書處處長曾國祥我們現在言之有物確實是比較以國高中的學生為主那我們也正在規劃看有沒有辦法試著也再往下扎根配合我們的兒童科普日呢也是不是能夠跟我們的出版中心合作一下那試著出版一些比較更適合這個兒童來閱讀的科普的 |
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因為現在其實我們知道有各個不同的不管是公立也好私立也好他們其實就是在這個國小的階段其實都有所謂的科展那他們這些科展其實也都可以從中去發現一些這個從小就對於所謂的科技啦或者是關於這樣子的一個小小的人才那我是希望說能夠真的再更普及不是只有在兒童科普日當天啦 |
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平常是不是就一定可以把這個部分帶進去當然我們知道其實兒童科普日其實也創造了很多很多的奇蹟應該這麼講就是那時候其實有將近70場的一個專門的一個體驗的一個活動當然吸引了很多很多的人潮那我們希望這個兒童科普日我們把它定為平常的科普日每天可能都有或者是我們平常在 |
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| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
登記第9號萬美玲萬委員有請院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].start |
7209.995 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].end |
7229.569 |
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中央研究院院長,我們都知道中央研究院是國內首居一個非常重要的學術研究單位。這幾年陸陸續續,我看到中央研究院也有在各項研究當中有很多重大的發現跟重大的突破,都非常有成績。其實我真的覺得非常敬佩大家,也非常感謝大家。 |
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7249.158 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].text |
今天當然有幾個地方我們可以來討論一下可以讓本席跟大家更了解一些那就是我們看到其實在全世界台灣都一樣漸凍症其實漸凍症得到漸凍症的這些病患們其實真的是不管他本身或家庭他其實是一件非常難過非常悲哀的一件事情 |
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7263.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
根據研究對他指出全世界每90分鐘就有人被診斷出漸凍症甚至於因此而死亡那90%他是沒有家族的病歷史的都是突發出來的那這個年齡的認証也很大大概在40歲到70歲之間都可能去耗發 |
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7284.299 |
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2040年預估,漸凍症人數可能會增加69%這些數據看起來都是非常恐怖的不知道什麼時候在大家的周遭就有人會得到這個漸凍症所以我們看到漸凍症一旦得到以後他的壽命也只有三年的左右目前其實也沒有辦法治癒 |
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7310.263 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].text |
但是本席看到、注意到了中研院的基因體研究中心陳昱儒研究員的這個團隊最近以這個所謂的硫酸雙醣分子可以提高腦神經的細胞的存活率那可以減緩神經元的退化那可以去突破傳統治療漸凍症藥物因為它過去這種藥物大概都是一些抗發炎、抗氧化可能效果不是很卓著 |
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| transcript.whisperx[245].text |
學術處長 |
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| transcript.whisperx[246].end |
7350.834 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].text |
我是學術處陳建章陳老師的研究主要是用了一個比較新穎的雙醣分子去讓一個本來多生態的件會在細胞裡面沉積就會造成神經細胞死亡然後這個雙方子進去以後可以把這個生態鏈把它裂解掉所以細胞就可以存活 |
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| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
7374.539 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
現在目前的進展是用果蠅的漸凍模式做在果蠅身上,看起來是很有效果的陳老師他們現在要開始往小鼠的漸凍模式再做研究所以這個研究計畫算成熟嗎?已經可以達到計轉的程度了嗎? |
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計轉大概還沒有那他們已經就這個技術已經申請了一個專利臨時的專利好 那就本是瞭解這個計畫因為看起來也是有成果啦所以應該要好好把它繼續下去必須有一個很棒的成果出來 |
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7391.4 |
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7402.931 |
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計劃目前向國科會申請了補助大概從112年到114年院長我想請教一下第一個這個補助的金額你們夠不夠用第二個如果到114年之後我們的研究還要繼續進行的話這個補助經費萬一中斷了你有沒有考慮到這個部分應該怎麼辦 |
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委員會主席 |
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7447.665 |
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院長我覺得這個重大的發言重大的研究真的很可貴那我們千萬不要因為預算上面讓它耽擱了甚至影響這個研究所以國科會現在三年嘛那之後當然我們還可以繼續把這個研究計畫提早送上去假設經費不足那如果不行的話在院長這邊當然我不知道您這個520之後還在不在在 |
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主持法規定一任五年,第二任第二年半。 |
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7473.109 |
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7473.149 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].text |
致敬 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].start |
7488.086 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
7488.726 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
2.癌症的mRNA疫苗 |
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7530.776 |
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當然我們要來善用它所以這個所謂這個癌症mRNA的疫苗我想是不是能夠請這個院長在這邊也可以提一下這個疫苗大概的這個研究的計畫內容是什麼那現在進行到什麼地方了未來能不能在醫療上面可以讓我們對於癌症病患有很大的幫助 |
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這個癌症的疫苗也是全世界在mRNA的研究領域當中非常重要的一項因為針對每一個人的突變的因子來找出它引發這個免疫的作用的這個機制每一個人的疫苗都不一樣所以這個也可以稱之為個人化的疫苗因為它是個人化所以對特定的人每一個人的效益會 |
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7557.626 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
請吳漢忠主任說明 |
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萬委員好,我是國家生機研究院區轉譯中心武漢中。我想個人化疫苗最重要的還是要先找到這個我們所謂的Neon Antigen,就是這個腫瘤的突變的新的抗原,然後去設計用AI去設計。那現在轉譯中心已經建置先打核心設施,就可以在那裡去受生產。 |
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7632.177 |
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我想這一項重大的突破也是相當的重要的那尤其本席其實有看到您在某一些報告上面有特別提到其實將來其實對於我們癌症病患尤其是預防他復發的這件事情上會有很大的幫助那我想其實現在癌症在於治癒上面不能說全部痊癒但治療上面它有它一定的成果可是大家最擔心的就是復發這件事情 |
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7643.606 |
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每一次復發其實對於這個病患來講就非常嚴重所以我們也期待說我們這樣的一個研究能夠盡早有一個成果出來我們現在好像預計3年左右會來取得GMP的一個認證 對不對 |
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7649.11 |
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那是先導核心設施的部分那跟該這個這個癌症疫苗的研發部分兩個是相輔相成但是不同的計劃一個是專門研究疫苗的成分本身一個是建置它的製造過程的先導的核心設施 |
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謝謝院長,我想這兩件事情都是非常重要的那最後一點,我想院長好像也有去出訪過捷克那跟捷克這裡也有一些合作但是我好像只有聽到有這個MOU或者是有這個合作但是沒有具體,能不能院長簡單的提一下好,我們確實是有一些具體的後續的發展至少有三個我們掌握到的一個合作方式孟處長可以做說明 |
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好,謝謝,謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].start |
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7727.781 |
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好,謝謝王委員,謝謝院長,那我們現在大會休息5分鐘,謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].start |
8050.933 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
8051.274 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
張雅玲議員張雅玲議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].start |
8067.567 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].end |
8085.029 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
院長,就是說上個禮拜啊,那個勞動部啊,其實是有小規模的在新聞上面發布,就是會小規模的事辦以日來請月薪假,從5月起會開放申請那我知道中研院一直都是非常支持托育的這個政策 |
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8086.29 |
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8115.356 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
518年就有這個幼兒園那110年的時候我們又有設立托嬰中心那其實這個我也查了一下就中研院的女性職員工裡面其實大概有51%那我們是不是有可能也來加入這個事辦計畫對我想要請問一下就是說院長這邊是不是可以來評估研討一下這樣子我們可以評估一下這個看適不適合我們的辦理那這個方向我想是非常好的一個方向 |
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8142.078 |
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對,因為他基本上他的概念就是說過去的我們運營家可能是以日為單位嘛那現在就是以時跟以日為單位提供一個更多的彈性給我們的中研院的員工們這樣子對,這看起來是會應該是會非常受歡迎的一個方式不過我們要仔細研究去看看好,那院長大概什麼時候可以有一些評估的結果呢?什麼時候評估,這個人事主任講一下 |
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委員好,我們現在其實沒有限制員工說請暈柳子挺心要用月或是用日,沒有特別做限制所以我們已經可以這樣做了所以現在已經在實行,就是以時或是以日的方式來執行嗎?沒有以時,但是我們會看員工的實際需求來衡量,看可不可以請 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].start |
8169.968 |
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8185.647 |
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所以就是說不一定要以月為單位的意思是嗎?現在已經是這樣執行的?是,我們會看員工的實際需求來衡量我們會更加簡化並且看說我們現在目前的制度有沒有什麼可以更加精進 |
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8186.488 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
8187.309 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
中央研究院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].start |
8201.408 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].end |
8201.929 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
中央研究院院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].start |
8220.646 |
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8248.287 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
在1080日舉辦黑洞特展所以非常紅媒體非常多新聞所以人次達到了21萬次那中間呢可能是因為經歷到疫情那我們的111年做線上也有42萬人次可是到111年到112年人數就開始節節的下降那我想要了解這原因是什麼是發生了什麼事情是我們做的媒體資源宣傳不夠嗎還是我們的主題設計上面不夠吸引人 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].start |
8249.528 |
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8271.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
我們從現場大概不會感覺到人數下降這可能是統計上的問題因為我們掌握到的人數一方面是團體報名一方面是自由參觀那個人數比較難掌握另外一個可能的原因是過去幾年好像都碰到一點下雨 |
| transcript.whisperx[275].start |
8273.061 |
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8299.076 |
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這個假如是下雨來你也知道說人就少但是在現場感覺整天都還是經常爆滿但是我們從統計數字上面來講的確就是降了非常多那可不可以請院長也回去了解一下我們還有怎麼樣可以去加強因為中研院一直在講要開放讓大家聊清淨這些科學知識所以人數一定是非常重要的一件事情可不可以給我一個評估跟檢討的部分大概什麼時候可以提供給我們這是 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].start |
8300.536 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].end |
8327.848 |
| transcript.whisperx[276].text |
秘書處處長鄭國祥我們可以在大概一個禮拜以內將資料送到委員辦公室因為我還是會覺得說既然我們有一個這麼好的對我們來說中央醫院是一個寶庫我們還是盡量讓大家都可以入寶山取得知識同時我們也收到一些回饋就是說人太多事實上也降低人家來的意願就太急了就可能一個適度我們不曉得什麼叫適度這我們會評估看什麼樣最佳的狀況 |
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8329.028 |
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8344.075 |
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好,那我剛好講到這個大家的一些回饋嘛那我也要講就是因為兒童科普日這個東西真的是去年開始開辦真的是很多活動名額都搶不到像我們自己都搶不到所以就是說那其實網路上面的分享也是做頗受好評 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].start |
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8345.035 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
這方面我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].start |
8364.139 |
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8366.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[279].text |
委員提這個方向我認為是非常好的方向,我會朝這個方向做 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].start |
8390.517 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].end |
8408.565 |
| transcript.whisperx[280].text |
今年就開始也會有兒童科普日我們是不是可以考慮從今年的兒童科普日就開始做這件事這個非常好的建議秘書處應該是可以配合辦理也希望就是說當我們在設計這些的內容之後可能接下來的一系列的規劃機制也都可以提供到我們辦公室 |
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8409.125 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].end |
8409.565 |
| transcript.whisperx[281].text |
學校團體報名 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].start |
8426.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].end |
8443.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[282].text |
這個可能是因為交通的距離或是經費所以東南部離島的人數是節節的下降這個院長了解原因是什麼嗎我們沒有這個感覺這可能是仍然是團體報名有些這個中南部東部的學生 |
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8444 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].end |
8470.203 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
不是以團體報名方式三五成群的自己來我們在院區內部我們感覺到好像這個仍然是看到大部分都是這個中南部甚至東部甚至去年還有金門來的學生他們都很高興來跟我們的合照來跟我們分享他們從哪裡來所以我們在現場倒是沒有感覺到這樣的狀況那統計是不是為什麼這個落差這我們要回去了解一下 |
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8470.643 |
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8492.815 |
| transcript.whisperx[284].text |
對因為我們看到數字就是這樣子所以這個可能也請就是一個禮拜給我這些檢討的報告好不好那因為我覺得東南部還是會有可能受到因為相比我們不管從數字上面108年109年我們數字還是相對少那我也知道中研院一直有在做一個中研講堂跨縣市科普的演講過去6年做了11個縣市但是我們全台灣有22個縣市 |
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8494.096 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
8519.015 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
等於還要再花6年的時間才能夠完成這件事情等於小孩在中學這段時間他是沒有機會接受到這個科普的這個演講的機會我們有沒有可能更積極的把這些內容再轉化出來去把這個場次呢可能是每一年再增加一點點呢或者是因為南部園區即將要完工了有沒有可能南部園區也開始加入這一個開放園區的活動 |
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8520.956 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
8547.644 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
或者是我們還是保持了一定比例的線上展覽這個我想請教院長的意見我想委員最後一點可能是最實際的就是用線上的方式我們錄影交一些活動以錄影的方式讓這個沒辦法參加的民眾學生能夠事後可以從線上觀賞那我們也會考量這個適度的提高這個我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].start |
8553.866 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].end |
8576.494 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
主要是在從偏遠的地區教育資源相對弱勢的地區開始所以不是說很平均的這樣做對,我覺得東部、南部、離島多一點我覺得這是非常棒的因為他們就是就近沒有辦法取得這些資源那我們接下來有沒有可能在每一年的場次增加呢因為不然要等六年,這巡迴也太久了 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].start |
8577.014 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].end |
8602.735 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].text |
有沒有可能再評估一下這個場次增加我們評估一下對我們研究人員還是一個相當大的負擔每一個人都要準備好幾個禮拜好 了解那最後我想補充一個提醒就是說因為我們在世界經濟論壇2024年的時候他已經提出了十大這十年內有全球十大風險其中有五大風險跟環境有關所以這個東西是直接影響到了孩子的生存權 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].start |
8603.496 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].end |
8604.276 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].text |
接下來我們請登記11號的吳春城委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].start |
8643.286 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].end |
8645.707 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].text |
今天我要跟你探討一個很重要的議題 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].start |
8661.795 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].end |
8678.154 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].text |
臺灣進入超高齡社會的迷霧臺灣明年就進入超高齡社會院長知道嗎我知道你知道是的中研院能夠提出關鍵解方看這一個圖院長跟你報告這個臺灣以 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].start |
8682.078 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].end |
8688.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].text |
從2010年為中線來看往前30年台灣1970年的時候台灣的人口長這個樣子很標準的金字塔形當時年齡的中位數是19.3歲然後65歲的老人占人口2.9% |
| transcript.whisperx[293].start |
8705.826 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].end |
8719.495 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].text |
兒童0到14歲占39.7那我們往後看到2040年其實這已經走到這裡迫在眼前的長這個倒金塔形我們的年齡中位數變成52.4歲65歲以上占30.1那這邊一般的人超過50歲那14歲以下兒童變成只有占10.2% |
| transcript.whisperx[294].start |
8732.225 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].end |
8753.664 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].text |
這個叫做人口大翻轉,院長知道這件事情嗎?是的,我知道那我們的中央研究院是我們國家最高的智庫有把這個放在你的研究裡面嗎?我們確實有研究人員對這方面做了一些研究特別是社會所的有一個研究人員還有這個,能不能講一下?是,好 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].start |
8754.364 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].end |
8768.079 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
那個我有看了你們去年的研究報告因為台灣明年就要進入了你們去年的研究報告沒有一篇重要的成果沒有一篇有關這個超高齡社會的研究的方案沒關係等一下那我要告訴院長這一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].start |
8771.917 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].end |
8783.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
中央陷入超高齡迷霧期待高齡大論述現在這個是各部會的狀況昨天在總質詢院會我問了陳院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].start |
8787.194 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].end |
8801.399 |
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他都深表認同第一個我們的勞動部中高齡的定義就是45歲那我覺得太離譜那我們的老人福利法定義65歲就是老人現在65歲到底是夕陽還是日正中天呢 |
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我們的行政院的高齡科技只剩養生養病我看到剛才中研院有生技論壇當然都是注重養生就是醫療方面的議題而已交通部把75歲視為危險份只要吊銷他的這個駕照 |
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教育部中生教育師對於預算只有3.4億那我們60歲以上先有600萬人平均一個人一年57塊臺幣教育預算數位部我們的數位落差不在偏鄉而在臺北市的中央我們高齡者數位落差達到60%企業界也是跟隨著政府腳步針對65歲以上的投放的廣告只佔到行銷費用的5% |
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而校紀委所做的80%的高齡者在消費過程當中受到歧視整個的全面性 中央到底是怎麼了整個的 然後包括行政院去年提出來的超高等社會對策提出的就是這些 這是他的大綱長照無障礙 憂鬱症 生死學 育齡醫療 健康美學這些我不曉得這是哪裡提出來的我問院長這些 你應該是試用者嘛他在聯名嘛 |
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那店長說他都不需要那我說他都不需要你規劃這個給誰用啊這個為什麼會這樣子呢就是整個的中央整個政府對超高齡社會完全想像錯誤為什麼因為他們還活在1970年的認知裡面以為台灣社會是活的台灣已經邁向2040年了政府完全沒有知覺 |
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8923.786 |
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這是寫了責任這是思想上出問題然後在這個撫養比這個是社會未來我們現在是4比1到2057年會變1比1接下來就是被撫養的會超過工作人口整個崩潰社會我沒有看到政府有什麼解方 |
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8925.667 |
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8945.529 |
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現在政府我們進來的社會預算已經超過8千億8千億只能照顧這個15%的失能者另外85%800萬人就自生自滅那這是在幹什麼所以呢長照不只是照顧而是要照亮因為我們長壽時代來臨現在60歲我們退休的人口有到達600萬人 |
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8947.411 |
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這600萬人退休以後政府沒有政策沒有產業所以這一部分政府只能做社福扶持這樣的這部分前天昨天的那個社福部 薛部長也說我們的社福已經失靈了 |
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所以我現在要中研院,其實這裡就是我們的思想出問題我們需要一個大論述,這個是中研院不只是做學術研究做學者我們當然不能干預他們的研究自由但是應該要,台灣已經進入這個,這是一個重大議題但是顯然在中研院還沒有把他視為重大議題有在做就插花做一點這樣子,這應該是重要 |
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8987.678 |
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13年前你們有做人口政策但是現在已經變化很大所以這件事情中央政府需要中研院這些學者們你們有5000多位的研究人員然後能夠針對這個給政府提出如何因應超高齡社會然後勞動力消費者整個活化資產這個面向提出一個整套的計畫可不可以 |
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9017.121 |
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陳培余議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].start |
9040.935 |
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9054.318 |
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陳委員早好 院長早安非常感謝院長我要先首先肯定中研院在上一個會期我們當中提到了除了中研院原本的open house之外我們當時我就說是許願啦為專門為小孩開的兒童科普日這件事情我們看到當時很快就成真而且我們來看到這個當時的活動當天單一天就辦了70場活動我們看到你們統計資料 |
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9067.9 |
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9091.64 |
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達到4.8萬人次的參與後續的問卷滿意度還高達9成5我真的必須要說站在身為兩個小孩的媽媽這個立場我一定要說這件事情一定是因為所有的研究人員跟行政員共同用心付出才會得到這樣的結果這邊我想要請院長回應一下那我們今年有沒有機會繼續辦理open house以外的兒童科普日 |
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首先感謝委員的建議這件事情我們去年首次舉辦我們也非常感謝很多院內的同仁付出非常多的額外的精力來辦成這件事情那我們今年會持續辦理並且我們會想說怎麼樣除了這個每年一天的兒童科普日之外 |
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主席 |
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9135.726 |
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我們一直要克服很多這個制度上的困難希望能夠頒發一些這個額外的獎金但是我們也必須要遵守目前所有的規定 |
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主席主席主席主席 |
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| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
委員會主席 |
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9196.038 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
9196.818 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].text |
中央研究院委員會主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].start |
9226.751 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
9248.562 |
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機會當然是有,但是可能不會是一步到位,可能是逐步,剛開始辦比較小規模的先試辦,我們會朝這方向,或是剛開始不一定是單獨的兒童科普日,但剛開始一些展覽的活動,可以大人也可以小孩一起來參觀 |
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9251.124 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
委員提醒說我們在辦任何活動要把這個兒童的參與的面向納入考量 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].start |
9265.184 |
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9285.175 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
我們大人自己在看待大人跟看待小孩那個視角跟態度是絕然不同那剛剛院長您自己都提到我就已經寫了怎麼這麼巧我們真的沒有事先瑞好你說會搭配相關的延伸出版或是影音記錄我們當天去到現場也覺得這些很棒的活動如果真的有機會透過影像書籍或者是任何的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[319].end |
9288.722 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].text |
中央研究院院長 |
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| transcript.whisperx[320].end |
9332.565 |
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主題是新冠肺炎疫情研究特刊針對疫情下的臺灣兒少跟青年我們看到這邊所有的研究我們真心要說這件事情其實是非常好而且非常重要的嘗試那我們再回頭看中研院過去這五年我們來看到這個版本裡面過去這五年針對兒少相關研究列表我們也整理出來那這邊我想要請問院長 |
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9334.165 |
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9358.161 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].text |
我們有沒有機會在往下跟各個研究單位共同來討論還可以開展哪些兒少研究議題因為其實剛剛很多委員提到少子化這件事情我覺得是台灣要更積極面對的議題但是中研院身為研究單位不管是關鍵議題研究中心人文社會研究中心或者是調查研究專題中心有沒有機會規劃相關的兒少政策跟研究專題的可能性 |
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9361.864 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].end |
9365.788 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].text |
有機會我們會鼓勵同仁從這方面發想提出相關的計畫然後我們會多加支持 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].start |
9376.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].end |
9376.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].text |
這都是一種科普的形態,對嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[324].start |
9406.893 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
9420.655 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
我們看到確實中研院在轉譯這些專業的比較艱深的科學知識想要跟一般民眾對話企圖心跟這個動機跟熱情我們已經看到了那我想要進一步我今天所有題目都在幫小孩許願我們來看一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].start |
9421.796 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].end |
9426.981 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
民間有一個新聞媒體叫報導者他們在過去幾年他們試著轉換他們比較他們覺得重要的而且需要高度社會共同討論關注的題目他們進一步做成少年報導者那於是呢這個少年報導者的網站跟報導者之間的關係基本上他是有兩群各自不同的編輯在負責 |
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9442.515 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].end |
9465.22 |
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他們想要促成更多青少年加入像這樣實施議題的討論我不知道有沒有機會我們中研院透過這個言之有物的轉譯讓社會進一步了解所有學者研究成果有沒有機會做成兒少版的就如同我剛剛說的以報導者為例他們做少年報導者那言之有物有沒有機會做成兒少版本的言之有物 |
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9465.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].end |
9485.778 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].text |
這倒是非常好的一個方向我們必須承認說我們沒有想過找這方向不過既然委員提了我覺得這方面是確實是可以從這邊思考看看對但是我們要提出有理的可能的方法不是貿然的亂許願我們想像是假設言之有物我剛剛說了嘛他有300多篇文章 |
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9486.378 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].end |
9512.708 |
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裏面可能是跟兒少會關心的題目有關或者是配合108課綱那相關的研究人員有人願意用科普寫作的角度從裏面摘取一些文章開始為孩子們寫作所以我們的想像並不是一個大規模把這360篇或者是所有的影片都做轉譯而是在慎選主題然後同時也適合兒少觀看的這些文章跟主題做一些轉譯先做一些試行好不好我們把規模先想像成這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].start |
9513.408 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].end |
9514.069 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].text |
中央研究院院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].start |
9530.438 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].end |
9531.299 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].text |
謝謝主席,我想要請我們廖院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].start |
9560.647 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].end |
9583.495 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].text |
院長早我想請問一下目前中研院裡面的院士對於中研院改名的議題最近剛好我們新總統即將要上任那大家認為到底中央研究院要不要改為台灣研究院還是我們應該要維持就是中研院從過去以來畢竟 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].start |
9585.035 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].end |
9607.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].text |
院長你的院事是一輩子的但是你的院長的職務有可能不是一輩子的你要改掉這個基本款嗎你要改掉了中原院從過去以來研習已久的所有的學術研究我們國家的學術研究嗎那你的看法是如何 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].start |
9609.206 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].end |
9609.406 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].text |
中央研究院院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].start |
9625.754 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].end |
9626.174 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].text |
我只有4分鐘欸 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].start |
9654.918 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].end |
9656.019 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].text |
中央研究院沒有與中國混淆的情況 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].start |
9675.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].end |
9703.024 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].text |
我們如果希望維持現狀的情況下那如果我們貿然的改名那就你們的研究會不會對於我們維持現況的這個情況反而是不利的反而沒有辦法讓我們過去以來中央研究院你們就做你們的研究就好了嘛你就不需要涉及政治啊有沒有這樣的想法 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].start |
9703.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].end |
9705.311 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].text |
目前多數同仁並不覺得有改名稱的必要謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].start |
9732.449 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].end |
9754.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].text |
院長那我再請問一下就是有關於淨零碳排的理論的問題那其實我們知道我們在推廣淨零碳排的過程當中我們在實務面其實就已經產生了非常大的問題我們在認證機構等等在實際情況上我們政府要解決問題很多那你們有沒有辦法解決理論面的問題 |
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9756.591 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].end |
9775.901 |
| transcript.whisperx[339].text |
所謂的理論面我們是界定在科學技術面這是我們兩年前出版的政策建議書裡面花了400多頁的篇幅論述我們提出五個科技面向需要極力研發的一個建議 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].start |
9777.142 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].end |
9805.279 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].text |
例如我舉例來講在台灣有非常多的研究機構他們有相關的農業科技相關的檢探的這個技術但是沒有理論基礎那你們有協助嗎例如說他們發現了如果在飼料裡面加了酵素發酵的果皮會使著牛或者羊的糞便那減少甲烷的排放那這個部分你們相關的理論基礎呢 |
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9807.451 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].end |
9823.664 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].text |
這方面基本上就是加入這些飼料之後牛胃裡面的一些菌相會改變一些菌相改變就是產甲烷的菌會減少那這個理論基礎基本上是這樣子那是不是有足夠的驗證 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].start |
9825.185 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].end |
9853.647 |
| transcript.whisperx[342].text |
就是驗證的部分需要學術機構去做進一步的研究跟調查還有資料的收集那就是你們專門的嘛那雖然大家關心的是比較是好像科普的但是我也注意到了你們有非常多的天文的相關的研究那我們知道現在目前在YouTube裡面對於天文天象或者是相關的好像神秘學一樣的這樣子的說法 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].start |
9854.107 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].end |
9882.691 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].text |
那不僅是科學的說法你們有沒有辦法也把這樣子比較符合科學的這樣子的一個天文的理論能夠變成比較簡單易懂而不會讓一般的民眾混淆那有一些人甚至會把這個神秘學把它跟世界的所有的大事結合在一起那你們有沒有辦法把我們的天文科學做到 |
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9883.211 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].end |
9885.553 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].text |
我自己是經濟學相關的研究我看到你們對於經濟學理念都有相關的科普就是說比較簡易型的讓民眾了解我認為 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].start |
9908.394 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].end |
9926.839 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].text |
以你們現在目前的天文相關．就是對於形象．對於天文相關的研究．是不是也可以．把它複製成像經濟學一樣．比較淺顯易懂．讓民眾瞭解呢?好,我們跟天文所討論看看．看有沒有這個可能好,謝謝好,謝謝,謝謝院長．我們接下來請范雲委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].start |
9939.292 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].end |
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謝謝趙偉 有請院長好 院長范委員好院長早安今天因為時間的緣故不知道能不能兩題都問完那第一題就是院士行為倫理準則的議題第二題就是第二題是要肯定中原有主動處理不對等的權勢關係的性騷的相關的準則這個下一頁 |
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中研院長 |
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委員會主席 |
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就是還有香港大學打壓學生會校長張翔被批不是人的時候當時我們就有開記者會因為有好幾位是我們的院士就覺得院士倫理準則應該要包含就是不得傷害學術自由跟相關的民主人權 |
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我自己在2021��2021年的時候有質詢（當時院長也有答應我會檢討這個部分（2021年到現在已經三年了（ |
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那我想我對中研院應該是真的非常的溫柔、非常好今年是2024年嘛,您剛講這三年來才跟你們詢問進度喔那這是從你們答應就在媒體說會檢討是2019年到現在已經五年了那不知道院長請問一下那個目前,我看你們的網站這些院士都還掛有爭議的院士還掛在那裡喔顯然都沒有處理喔那我也要先講喔其實這不是 |
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我們並不是特例並不是針對眾議院的特別的要求那我在2021年質詢的時候就有提到我們有去相查了其實美國的院士英國的院士還有澳洲的院士院士倫理準則都有一些非常清楚的規定比如說美國國家院士有包含就是不得有harassmentdiscrimination還有bullying |
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就是歧視騷擾跟霸凌的行為都不行美國的院士還有要求要揭露他的financial relationship就是研究的資金是哪裡來的因為可能會影響研究的結果那之前被懷疑就是說收中國資金的院士可能就是背叛國家影響的部分那他其實如果沒有揭露他的研究資金來自北京政府的話其實也違反了美國自己的院士但是他 |
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據說也是我們中華民國的院士所以我想各國都有先例那中研院在科技的部分像我們在講CHAT、GBT都是跟各國同步嘛那在院士倫理準則這部分好像腳步相當慢喔可不可以請問院長從2021年我直詢我還有通過預算案那你們開始啟動到現在這三年的進度如何好嗎 |
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事實上這個案子是我2019年就啟動的2019年啟動所以已經5年了對不對那是因為這個不是在我們院內部可以處理的問題是在院士會議所以我首先 |
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是請已經過世的陳定信院士在院士會議提出一個動議要成立一個委員會來處理是否要在院士群當中設立一個行為準則後來也成立了但是下一任的主席好像也因 |
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委員會主席 |
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所以現在終於提出行為原則的準則了所以這個其實2011草案了2019年大概五年的時間真的那您剛講遇到一些就是那個召集人過世這些不幸的事情那研拓下來那可以請問因為我想我們院士有這麼多國際的一流學者也有人是兼就是其他的國家的院士他應該非常知道世界的國際的原則對不對那我們的準則草案裡面有包含我剛剛所講的那幾個部分嗎 |
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就是騷擾、歧視、霸凌還有傷害學術自由人權等大部分的方向應該都是有因為據我了解院士們在討論這個時候都會參照其他國家的院士的行為準則但也不會說是每一句就照著翻譯 |
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以我們自己的角度提出不同看法那院士之間有不同的論述所以這個會納入這種考量所以基本上的就是說國際這些民主國家的院士準則和新的概念你們都會有嗎我想學術的integrity當然還有包含就是說我剛講的歧視騷擾還有霸凌還有就是揭露 |
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主席 |
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每一條每一個字句都經過很多的斟酌所以時間會稍微久一點是這個原因 |
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謝謝院長說明的很詳細我想院士要正面表列當然我們也很支持那就是說但是Code of Conduct主要是講不能夠違反哪些基本的會傷害我們中研院這個最高學術的榮譽那請問院長所以今年的院士會議是7月什麼時候會通過嗎7月1號這個我們會提出來討論那通過不通過大家看大會表決我們希望說大家能夠儘快達成一個共識 |
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我們已經排定議程所以在議程當中了對,在議程當中所以有機會在7月之內通過對,這要看大家討論的結果至少說現在已經排入議程 |
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那通過之後之前違反的這個部分就是說有機會被處理嗎?那要看大家通過的條文是怎麼寫的那所以裡面也會講處理的機制嗎?因為我看美國其他國家也會把怎麼處理機制都講得非常清楚那懲罰包含就是說暫停院士職務到最嚴重的取消都有這些也都會有嗎?這個恐怕我不確定不確定喔? |
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至少我看到裡面都有把committee procedure都有提出來這樣子 |
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美國的國家科學院還有工程院還有醫學院每個都稍微版本不一樣到底哪一個比較適合中央醫院院士會做法院士之間仍然是有一些不同的意見 |
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但是我想我們中研院科技的水平是引領世界甚至就是說有些部分不僅是說同步甚至還引領的但是行為準則是一個比較人文社會科學方面的最高的權力自我約束我希望這個部分不要落後我們世界就是說民主國家的水平太多好嗎 |
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我想不能夠只有一個抽象的道德原則沒有procedure跟懲罰那這樣子會傷害中研院做一個最高學術殿堂跟院士集體的聲譽好不好好那就是說那剛剛的部分可以給我們辦公室一個報告好嗎好就是我們把這目前討論的情形我們可以因為這是在院士會議的那個當然當然我們是尊重就是你們自己的方向跟規劃好不好好 |
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鄭天才委員蘇清泉委員吳思瑤委員列席4分鐘 |
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謝謝志文姐,好久不見,來請那個院長 |
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委員好很開心回娘家我還是會維持我一貫的溫柔雖然當了黨鞭有的時候比較不能那麼溫柔但是面對理性專業的同仁我一定都是非常尊重好我今天聚焦於印度人才到底是燙手山芋人人推還是各國瑰寶人人愛人人搶第二個題目當然就是科技顧問制度好下頁 |
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院長您當然很清楚台灣現在希望能夠擴大多一個選項新增一個移工來源就是在現行的越南印尼菲律賓泰國之外我們希望能夠延攬印度人才到台灣來而事實上印度移工1800萬人在全球各國都在搶 |
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您非常熟悉的以色列近期要再擴大開放包括鄰近的韓國已經洽簽MOU那日本已經簽署完畢所以因應世界的缺人荒搶人潮台灣已經不是超前部署台灣只是要迎頭趕上那院長您知道嗎下一頁中研院有網紅 |
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您知道這位研究員嗎?您認識他嗎?那你有看他的YT頻道嗎?您可以去看一下這位中研院資訊科學研究所的印度籍的研究員他利用他的平台 |
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介紹了非常多他以一個印度在台灣的研究人員他理解的台灣社會然後台印之間的文化交流很值得大家一看大家幫他幫推一下按個讚小鈴鐺定起來OK |
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這是我們中研院的網紅而他在裡頭也身歷其境的提出臺灣有5000位優秀的印度籍的研究員在臺灣的頂尖大學或者是相關的頂尖的領域來 |
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公讀或者是任職那那個時候這個影片是他2020年的在台灣工作的一萬名印度人他做了很詳細的分析目前到底在中研院有多少印度籍的 |
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報告委員,我們現在有大概五六十名的博士班學生是印度籍的目前正在我們的國際學城就學當中 |
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當然博士後研究員也有不少但是這個數字我現在沒有辦法所以我秀出來我很怕你講下去你講錯因為這個是我用最新的數字幫你們整理出來的目前呢中研院的外國高階人才有794位外籍的那印度的博士生有162位所以每五位就有一位那如果以研究人員的話是兩位啦人文組一位然後那個數理組一位 |
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所以五分之一就有一位喔下一頁那以他們研究的領域51%是數理科學領域48%是生命科學領域然後兩位是人文社會領域所以說印度人確實他在理工背景的這個專才是為世界所稱許那院長你覺得我們印度的朋友在這裡表現如何 |
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我本人有過去有兩位印度學生表現都非常傑出是是是所以我想印度學生學者跟他的工程師科學家在全世界表現是大家有目共睹那全世界百大企業裡面有非常多這個CEO都是印度籍的IBM現在的CEO是印度籍印度裔的 |
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在灣區也很多很多的創業的或是事後經營的也都是印度裔的所以印度我們不是因為籍貫而是因為有很長一個文化背景的一個國家他當然會產生很多非常優秀的人才 |
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謝謝院長,下一位,您講得非常好現在世界各國位居重要的優秀人物CEO印度一的非常多,您剛講IBM是嗎?是Google的執行長董事長印度一Microsoft的執行長董事長印度一拜登2023提名的世界銀行的行長印度一 |
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主席再30秒就好,下一頁 |
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所以我非常謝謝我們的科技顧問制度在本席努力的在讓他重新催生上路了那去年12月15號那院長你也是當中重要的參與的人士聚焦於半導體AI這個chapter做出了三個重要的結論 |
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近鄰科技也做出了三個重要的結論 樣樣像像都是台灣科技發展非常重要﹐定矛定方向的內容我非常肯定您要繼續扮演重要的角色但下一頁最後一個提問是﹐我有要求國科會第一階段聚焦在半導體跟AI以及近鄰科技當然對 |
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但是每年一次的科技顧問制度．我們要為下一次在更vision的看待．我們要擴大領域．跟擴大討論的面向．請您進一步的提供更多的． |
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主席主席 |
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全面跟台灣的社會發展 |
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致謝致恩主席您人真好謝謝 謝謝大家 |
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遊浩委員徐欣穎委員何欣淳委員鍾嘉斌委員葉元智委員 |
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主席好 我要請那個中研院長好 院長 |
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葉委員好院長好今天中研院所有的我們專家學者在現場大家都充滿了學術的氣息而且整個大家都覺得台灣的學術成就真的是非常的令人欽佩但是學術難免會受到政治的影響所以我今天特別想先來關心一下我們都知道陳建仁院長他即將卸任多次他也表達了他不願意再續任院長 |
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那我個人看到陳建仁院長他現在在立法院打詢其實我個人是對他比較客氣的但是這個我們有國民黨立委在跟他打詢的時候哇這變戰狼了非常的兇非常的兇不知道他之前是就這樣嗎你們之前有跟他接觸過嗎 |
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陳建仁的院長是一個非常的溫文儒雅的一個學者那他就有針對性那我知道因為陳建仁的院長之後他是講說他很難以忘記他的熱愛的學術研究所以大家外界認為說他卸任之後回中研院的機會很高啦不知道院長有接到消息他要回去嗎 |
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當初他這個申請要戒掉的時候就是希望說他擔任完行政院長之後要回到中研院那什麼位置啊?一樣的嗎?原來回到原來的工作崗位所以原來的辦公室、原來的位置就對不知道院長,因為像陳建仁這個算大人物啦做過副總統又做過行政院長現在院長又是中研院算上級機關 |
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那不知道有這樣的一個人回去,你會有壓力嗎?這個在中研院沒有上下之分,大家一律平等我們講這個學術自由,大家互相討論互相切磋,我們是以這個態度來跟大家相處那因為我們,我看陳建仁最近感覺有點變了希望這個院長呢,我們要封堵,不能讓他有特權 |
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還是要叫他交出一些研究出來陳建仁院是一個非常傑出的研究人員接下來我們看到中研院有一些預算我想來問一下院長根據我們立法院預算中心的報告指出中研院有一個人才培育及延攬計畫 |
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去年這是我們預算中心的資料如果說有不對的話請院長指正因為我看到裡面的預算執行狀況感覺不是那麼有成效比如說因為他112年他整個計畫是編的5億1081萬 |
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113年編寫6億3942萬 預算增加25.18%可是實際上看他的紙計劃﹑目標及跡象 很多都沒有達到我隨便舉個例子 在延攬資深學人的紙計劃 |
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他的績效目標是希望能夠延攬傑出學者到中研院來任職那目標是連續兩年就111年度跟112年度都是希望能夠有延攬10位可是111年只有延攬到9位那去年人就更少了去年只有延攬到3位那我們目前的目標值還是定10位可是去年就只有延攬到3位我們當然說 |
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等一下再請議員來解釋一下就是說那為什麼會出現這個落差那為什麼預算又有增加然後另外譬如說還有一個計畫是與國內大學培育國際研究生計畫它的績效指標是讓研究生的學程博士班報到人數可以達到120人可是去年實際上也只有93人就是說他大概只完成了四分之三多一點點那跟當初定的目標期望也不符 |
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那所以第一個我想要了解就是說這個數據是確實的嗎? |
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這個數據可能現在看起來可能是在預算中在請我們提報數據的時候仍然是譬如說是8月這一年還沒有整個結束所以會有一些落差跟我們理解有一點不太一樣第一個如果是這樣的問題的話我覺得之後還是要想辦法把它補齊為什麼因為我們有時候委員會看他們提供的數據 |
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那等於是我們的研究的背景就不對了嘛所以你們更新要有及時啦那剛才這個委員提到說我們預算增加25%據我了解可能那部分是因為我們增加是這個TIGP就是國際研究生學程的部分那這部分有請那個市長來解一下 |
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報告委員那個增加的部分主要是因為我們要增加博班的獎補助費所以那是完全是編載博班生的那一塊主要是博班生對但是博班生去年的這個績效好像也有點落差 |
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人數有辦法達到目標嗎? |
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報告委員、國際處長報告其實我們去年把博士班獎助金增高之後現在看起來今年博士生申請的狀況已經有一些回溫那我們相信那為什麼?去年是出現什麼狀況?那過去幾年是因為疫情的關係起起伏伏那現在因為疫情已經過去了所以我們招生的力道就可以大幅的增強那加上這個獎學金加碼 |
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對,我們獎學金加碼現在看起來好像有受到立即明顯的功效因為國際上大家搶學生的力道非常強大家要祭出高額的獎學金所以過去幾年我們開始呈現這個落後的狀況我們馬上今年加碼今年果然看到有點回溫但事實最後會怎麼樣會有多少人報到我們仍然是拭目以待但是我們 |
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謝謝院長我們再繼續加油最後一個問題之前中研院有一個說要發展台版GPT這是有上新聞嗎因為那個台版GPT用了30萬 |
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李卓人議員 |
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後來中研院有說會把它修正但是因為我們辦公室昨天又再去上同一個實驗室有另外一個系統叫斷句的負責斷句的就是說把一整句話輸入進去幫忙會幫忙上標點符號逗號句號等等結果上那個系統架構上面網站一看他所舉的例子他說美國參議院針對今天總統不實 |
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第一個布什也有點久了啦要嘛也弄一個歐巴馬感覺都比較新一點應該用拜登啦然後第二個台灣應該不太會用布什吧我們應該是用布希啦所以感覺上這個系統用的好像也是中國大陸的資料還是舉他們的例子所以我覺得你們當初發現上一個問題說要修正的時候為什麼沒有針對所有的系統做一個通盤的檢查 |
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然後還會被我們發現說還有其他類似的狀況委員看得非常仔細這個看起來這個是在測試他這個系統的做法那他是拿這個所有網路上可以搜尋到用繁體中文出現的一些 |
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資訊所所長廖鴻源這個地方是找繁體字的資料來做sample的query那他找的資料其實是BBC |
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廣播電台這我都懂我的意思是說因為這個就是我們一進用這個系統就會看到的東西嘛是是對所以大家一般民眾不會知道說你們到底是抓哪裡抓哪裡人家看就是說欸怎麼會有不實系統是怎麼會有不實總統嘛是是所以理論上上一個問題你們應該就要針對所有系統去檢查一下嘛好不好之後再看一下好如果又出現什麼不實啊或是什麼拜登拜登我不知道中國那個中國大陸叫什麼 |
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張嘉峻委員張嘉峻委員 |
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好那今天登記質詢的委員均已發言完畢另外有林倩琦委員提出書面質詢那我們現在就先來處理臨時提案那今天由委員提出的臨時提案總共有3案請宣讀第一案為達成2050淨零排放之目標中研院提出淨零5支建政策分別為發展去碳燃氣、高效太陽光電海洋能、低熱能及升值碳匯5項技術 |
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考量到目前中研院所推動之去碳燃氫技術．為使用綠電裂解天然氣致氫．本質上依然高度依賴天然氣．而臺灣目前之天然氣99%從外國進口．且法定天然氣安全存量目前為11天．116年亦僅增至14天． |
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若未來去碳燃煙技術占有臺灣發電形勢過高比例．恐將造成國安隱患．因此在發展淨零碳排能源的同時．應該要秉持風險分攤之原則以維護本國能源安全．原此請中央研究院針對淨零5支建進行分析．依據各項技術目前之開發進度．推估於2050年前5項技術與臺灣發電總量之分別占比． |
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以及人體計劃對臺灣發電能源結構之影響．並於3個月內向立法院教育及文化委員會提出書面報告提案人﹐洪旺凱﹐羅廷偉﹐林倩琦﹐柯志文第二案﹐針對臺灣北海岸地區接近2萬里﹐金山石門三支等地海洋能及地熱能源推動的研究﹐隨著能源需求的增加﹐和對環境可持續性的關注﹐中研委員認為以2050淨林碳排目標來說﹐ |
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海洋能與地熱能皆是臺灣四面環島上．可重點發展再生能源項目．而在北海岸推動海洋能和地熱能源．更能是一個具有潛力的方案．因合一合二的廠廚營、銜合電廠等．有原本電網．對於後續供電效益更能發揮．原始提案要求中營業與經濟部臺灣電力公司． |
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．針對海洋能源潛力評估及地熱能源可行性分析．於3個月內提出相關政策和後續可行建議．促進海洋能和地熱能源產業的發展和應用．最終以推動北海岸能源可持續性發展的目標為導向．提案人洪孟凱、林倩琦、羅廷瑋． |
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有鑑於我國即將於2025年邁入超高齡社會﹐人口結構的改變﹐撫養比的提升﹐但對於未來的勞動人力﹐產業結構及高齡者的實際需求面向未有相關規劃 |
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實際上,行政院的相關高齡政策仍停留在以養老、養生、養病的照護思維為規劃方向。顯見高齡政策藍圖不完全,中央研究院作為我國學術研究最高機構,在引導政策者向正確方向責無旁貸。綜上,原請中央研究院就超高齡社會帶來的政治、經濟、文化等多面向進行研究。 |
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並於2個月內向立法院教育及文化委員會．出初步研究方向．超高齡社會政策建議書推動規劃之書面報告提案人吳春成．鼠文．羅廷瑋．葛如君．柯之恩宣布完畢好那針對我們第一案請問這個在場的委員有沒有補充或是意見的好那院長第一案 |
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第二項遵照辦理 |
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主席 |
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修正通過 |
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主席 |
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MING PAO CANADA MANGA |