| IVOD_ID |
15736 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/15736 |
| 日期 |
2024-03-19 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-1-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期第5次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
立法院第11屆第1會期第5次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-03-19T08:29:58+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-03-19T16:07:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
07:37:02 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/8398b1826590a609fe9c17fe318741814d503f9c4523e5713be8d109af184be4ad0069f858717f0f5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-03-19T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第1會期第5次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。
二、3月15日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。
三、3月19日下午1時50分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:29:58 - 16:07:00 |
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報告委員會現在繼續開會3月15日經濟組之質詢。求委員自委陳委員冠廷之質詢以書面提出。請行政院書面答覆並列入記錄刊登公報。現在進行對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。今天進行 |
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財政組織質詢。現在請王委員宏威質詢。好,謝謝主席。我先請院長還有主席長。麻煩請陳院長備詢。 |
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請主席長備選王委員長早好 主席長早早 |
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我想我在質詢院長跟主席長之前我想利用我自己質詢的一點時間講一下在上個星期五在立法院所發生的質詢之亂因為當天我也是可以說是最後一個在口頭質詢的 |
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那麼這幾天來我們看到社會各界關切在我們立法院在星期五所發生的這樣質詢的一個論紛紛的事件。我想今天包含立得福委員、吳承成委員因為他們是接續質詢他們都提早坐在議場裡面等候。其實我們大部分的委員對於我們的質詢是尤其總質詢非常非常重視因為一年也只能總質詢兩次。 |
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可是我覺得在這一次我們有些委員遲到有些委員因為個人的形成的關係他擅自的去更改了秩序然後最後從口頭質詢變成書面質詢而造成星期五這樣的一個執行之亂我今天為什麼要特別談一下是因為我也是立法院的一份子我覺得這件事情對我們立法院的傷害非常大 |
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讓外界認為今天難道我們大部分的委員都是巨嬰嗎?都要靠著我們的議事人員來通知如果議事人員不通知時間我們就不會質詢嗎?我們就不重視質詢的時間嗎?那我覺得更過分的是 |
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自己因為時間沒有辦法掌握或者是前面的次序亂掉了但是呢動輒的去把這些責任甩鍋給我們的主席韓院長還說什麼韓院長是什麼要提早結束是要去喝酒去應酬我覺得這都是非常非常惡劣的行為 |
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所以我覺得這件事情我也是受害者因為我不希望外界會認為我們今天立法院是這樣子的一個狀況所以我在今天一開始質詢的時候我想不好意思院長跟主席長我也是用了我自己的時間然後講一下我覺得我必須譴責這樣的行為接下來很重要的包含 |
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我要請教尤其主計長我們今年的稅收超徵外界一直說估計大概是3700億到3800億這樣的一個額度那麼在這樣的一個過程裡面在去年年初那時候因為我在競選補選我提出了一個稅收超徵就應該還稅於民 |
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所以後來出現了我們發放現金6000塊那當然我們其他稅收超徵包含去撥補台電、撥補健保、撥補勞保還有給地方政府等等但是在我們的整個的預算的編列過程裡面經常性的稅收超徵事實上過去是未見的 |
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在某一個程度這也代表我們在預算編列的時候失之於草率所以現在看到 |
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我在這邊要特別提出的是 |
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如果當超生成為一個常態的時候,那麼其實要做的事情是什麼呢?就是應該還稅於民。 |
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因為我們剛剛講的這些事上照例講他應該盡量在公務預算裡面去編列而不應該當出現超增的時候那大家來搶錢搶這個大餅因為那天我問主計長主計長看起來也不是很願意說一下撥補台電1500億他說如果撥補台電1500億那明年預算都很難編啦 |
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所以我在這邊認為當超徵成為常態的時候應該還稅於民那我提出一個只要超徵在3000億以上我其實我這個我這個 |
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請問一下院長你同不同意這樣的一個觀點 |
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議員議員 |
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同意說這個預算的編列應該要更精準一點但是在前幾年因為全球供應鏈的改變然後台灣的經濟相對於其他的國家都相對的好而且我們的經濟增長所以等到這個還稅漁民的情況在去年的時候因為我們有將近5000億那個時候我們可以發現金但是今年的情況可能沒有辦法到達那個弧度 |
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一百一十二年度那個稅入稅次的剩餘是兩千七百六十億但是依法必須都提列稅率的百分之五還在所以要提列一千兩百六十億所以這剩餘大概剩下一千五百億那一千五百億還要審計部審定以後我們才能夠運用謝謝 |
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所以今年沒有還稅於民對不對?今年是在我們的規劃裡面沒有。那我在這邊我也會去做一個提案修法我認為因為要審定我也同意要審定後再用現在經濟部是沒有審定就準備拿錢了這也不符合程序那我會提案就是只要超過3000億就應該還稅於民取之於人民用之於人民 |
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另外,我再請教一件事情,實際上補貼臺電跟補貼勞保也是還稅於民,而且是更弱勢的人得到照顧。臺電讓很多的光電業者賺大錢,那光電業者都是特殊的,綠油油。好,我要問一個很重要的問題,大家都知道520以後是新政府,那這兩天賴清德 |
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總統這個當選人他講了一個很重要的事情就是有關於國照前件他說7艘國照前件要一次做完因為在蔡總統的任內是要把它分批一次什麼223還322我忘記了但他就是會分批一次那當然是考慮到我們也許前面國照的量能考慮到我們的財政的量能等等 |
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現在賴總統說要7艘國造潛艦一次用完。竹記長我們這個財政能夠負荷嗎?跟那個委員報告一下因為國防外交是屬於總統的職權但是我必須說明一下潛艦的一個 |
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我是認為現在蔡總統會把它分批編列他是有他的道理第一個就是說我剛剛講說我們也要看因為我們現在這個前線到現在還沒下水我們第一艘海關的話還沒有真正下水對不對 |
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我們一邊編作,然後修正,檢討修正,然後也考慮到財政負荷。我認為我個人最關心的,如果七兆錢錢一起做,我覺得最大的問題就是財政的問題。說實在,這個以後還是有以後的總統可以做,一次自己任內全部都做完,把錢全部花完,我個人是有疑慮的。時間暫停一下,主席長請回,我請一下央行總裁。 |
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好,院長你一直在強調你是溫暖堅韌的內閣那我來跟你談一下有關於我們的財政還有金融到底有沒有足夠的韌性那我現在就要告訴大家央行沒有告訴大家的事情我們來看下一頁 |
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在外媒評論裡面說臺灣是從全球最危險的地方變得更危險。其實這已經不是第一次,過去很多外媒都聽到我們的政治地緣安全的問題。當然我們也知道現在臺北的股價創新高, |
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而是同樣的他也埋藏了臺灣的金融韌性是不是足夠。好我想讓總裁看一下。我們台股的外資比例佔比是非常高的。那比如說我看到今天經濟日報說上週就是這個 |
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外資在臺灣賣很多,逃掉很多,然後轉進印度。外資本來就轉進轉出,轉進轉出,它會非常非常的快速。時間暫停一下,我看到今晚會主委上來。對,我剛才忘記叫你。我們的台股的外資占比非常高,已經超過40%。 |
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相對在亞洲地區當然比如說像新加坡新加坡更高啦香港呢也高可是香港他比例在降低中可是我們看到日本韓國他們也是有地緣政治風險的問題他們大概都在30%或30%以下 |
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外資喜歡台股對股民是當然是覺得歡迎的可是我們在講說在所謂的備戰就是說如果說我們今天要準備或者擔心台灣可能海海之間會有任何的兵兇戰為風險的時候我們就要考慮到我們的金融韌性好我們可以看一個很重要的資料 |
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剛才講我們的股市的外資如果換算成那個美元的話超過8千億美元有人跟我講說將近一兆啦後來我算一算那個大概就是超過8千億美元總裁非常清楚知道雖然台灣外匯存底很多但是呢我們大概5千6百多億5千7百多億這個是浮動的所以如果在最壞的情況發生的時候 |
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外資一旦有任何風吹草動他們是完全不會留戀的會跑出跑進跑出跑進所以我們現在會面臨一個我們在備戰的時候大家只在國防全民動員買武器等等之類但是很少人討論到我們的金融韌性的問題今天我看到這就這樣的數字 |
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當然你可以講說外資不會一次全部跑出去所以我覺得今天我們在討論一些我們的國防任性要備戰的時候我覺得相關的金融準備 |
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也不能夠不去提,然後不能每天大家很高興,比如昨天我們的ETF,我們現在好多年輕人啊爭相去那個去買那個00940,我昨天還講了,當那個什麼插鞋童都在討論股價的時候,你就知道股市過熱了。 |
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我想就是說 |
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就這個資本的資金的進出,中央銀行每天都非常...至於就是說是不是有準備就是說金融的準備我來跟那個委員報告事實上呢,中央銀行金管會還有財政部呢,我們都演練過了 |
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所以呢,我們不會就是說天天的、冉冉的就是說我們都準備好了、我們都準備好了。不會的。我們會默默的做。我們有我們的應對的一個配套措施。 |
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所以我想我還是請委員能夠放心所以我這樣講對不對比如說我們在講說有兵推嘛就在兵推台灣自己有做兵推國外的智庫很多人都在做台灣台海之間兵推所以我們也有做我們的金融兵推對不對沒有錯但是我們不會說公開的在那邊叫叫嚷嚷的我們不會的 |
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所以我們有做過冰推。冰推的話,我們最壞的狀況會到什麼樣的狀況? |
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我想呢,譬如說我舉一個例子啦,就是說Pelosi來訪問臺灣,這也是一個case,一個情景。那另外呢,就是說中國大陸那時候的試射飛彈,這也是一個Scenario。除了這些Scenario,我們也有其他的Scenario的一個應對的一個辦法。所以呢,我想呢,我們都有事在默默的在準備當中。 |
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因為今天時間有限,那這樣講起來,我們可以在財務會要多再請教。謝謝王委員宏慧的質詢,謝謝陳院長的備詢。接下來我們請登記第二號林委員德福質詢。 |
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謝謝主席我想在政治執行以前 |
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我支持韓院長就是議事啊就是照議事規定因為不是只有院會而已啊你院會以外還有委員會啊啊你今天還是說沒有照議事規定來走未來啊委員會要怎麼召開不是只有院會而已啊所以說我支持韓院長你就是照議事規定不管任何再朝再野都一律如指 |
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這樣你才能夠維持公平、客觀、公正讓大家認同、肯定這一點是毋庸置疑的因為我在立法院裡也算資深七屆了也看太多了一切就是依規定來辦所以說我認同韓院長你的做法以上來我們是不是來請那個陳院長我們行政院陳院長麻煩再請陳院長備選麻煩請主計長備選 |
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委員長,我請教因為M型化社會下的階級發展也形成M型化的消費市場就連房市房價也都呈現M型化那請問院長這種M型化發展的社會太陽是不是階級對立的對立性質會越來越強你認為朝向正面發展的機率高不高 |
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還是你認為後面的發展趨力高?除了正面以外後面呢? |
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我想經濟發展當然是正面的M型化的發展需要利用不同的方式使得財富能夠再重分配比如說我們減稅加薪還有房租的補貼社會住宅還有社會福利制度都是使這M型化的趨勢讓弱勢得到更好的照顧報告委員我們的總預算裡面大概有26%都是用在社會福利制度大概有近8000億謝謝 |
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除了消費M型化,現在連房市房價都朝M型化的趨勢在走,政府到底有沒有能力來化解日益提升的對立呢?因為M型化以後就產生對立 |
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在臺灣以M型化的情況下還有社會階級的這個對立的情況相對還緩和最主要的一個原因舉一個例子像居住正義的部分那政府就蓋社會住宅還有房租的補貼還有這一個房貸的補貼社宅是這樣子因為畫大餅沒有畫大餅實際上 |
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這個政見所提的跟務實時期的落差很大。我們都清清楚楚的。院長,109年央行第三季的禮監事會紀錄曾經因為疫情的影響擔心產業過度的集中半導體。現在過了三年半,半導體向GDP佔比20%靠攏。 |
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請問院長外界對臺灣有荷蘭病的看法你認為會不會是因為半導體最後成真?我想很重要的一件事情半導體產業除了半導體製造以外實際上上下游的產業實際上也一起在發展所以實際上半導體它只是一個龍頭但是這個龍頭會使得臺灣的產業 |
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委員長,半導體的頂尖人才在臺灣是用高薪來堆疊年代推升半導體相關產業的員工薪資所得 |
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這是陳正平的但是其他產業不論是淡季、旺季只要少數高薪的員工多數講實話都是苦哈哈的請問院長政府有辦法來扭轉除了非半導體產業的薪資結構極端扁平化嗎?有沒有辦法?我想我們應該反向來講如果半導體的產業他的薪資高那他的所得 |
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﹚議員 |
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市場的機制但是很重要的我們要讓一般的勞工的薪資也要增加所以大院也通過了基本這個最低工資法最重要我是認為說我們要如何來造福我們全面的這些不管是軍公教甚至於所有產業的這些員工本席議員就算是政府的公務員大多數公務生涯 |
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也就是只能期待調薪阿更不用說升職阿所以說也難怪連工職、鐵換碗也不時會出現轉換跑道的這種情況那請問其他產業的人才能夠留住嗎?你認為勒? |
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委員你可能也很清楚在蔡總統執政的這8年我們的基本工資不管是月薪跟時薪都有大幅度的成長每一年在調而且軍工教也已經調漲了11%所以實際上最近大院去年大院又通過了最低工資法我們每一年都會來檢討基本工資這一個部分就是希望 |
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委員長,事實上臺灣已經走上M型化社會的一個形態。我們可以用有錢的人變成更有錢,窮的人更窮來形容M型化的整個社會。因為過去社會主體的中產階級 |
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現在不再是主體大多數中產階級會逐漸的變成低收入的這些群體更糟糕的是下層階級向流通的這些通道似乎也消失向上流通的通道也消失所以說公平競爭的機會是越來越少所以說就算受過高等教育的社會底層 |
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也沒有辦法翻轉他的命運,獲得高薪或穩定的工作。就近期我們來看電價,調帳來看,在政府眼中已經細緻化的漲價方案,那民眾意就是怨言不斷。 |
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好,那 |
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委員你剛才提到說我們的財富分配的這個事情如果以經理係數來看的話實際上我們比起歐美國家還有一些甚至是我們東亞的國家包括日本南韓我們的經理係數還比他們要來的理想換句話說我們比他們低也就是說我們M型化的狀況還沒有他們來的嚴重那關於這個電價的問題委員也講得很對我們就是為了要照顧比較 |
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⋯⋯ |
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所以這樣的電價的調整多多少少也是讓這個M型化的社會的這個經濟的再分配是有幫助的而且在產業也是一樣喔如果是在上升中的產業這個發展很好的產業我們會給他比較高的電價 |
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院長你講的這麼好的話為什麼民眾對生活環境怨言越來越多而且痛苦指數越來越高反彈和不滿的聲音比過去幾十年來還要多你講的痛苦指數的部分剛好相反就我所知道的國際上的評比臺灣都是屬於痛苦指數比較低的國家為什麼那個院長 |
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因為物價節節高漲甚至於尤其是像你那每天外食的外食族那個便當漲上去就下不來我相信主計長你應該清清楚楚的很多委員就是問你這個問題 |
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但是因為你薪水沒有拉到那裡結果你以前可能7、80塊就可以買到便當你現在沒有100、120、130真的買不到這個比較像樣一點點的便當最起碼可以吃但是我認為這個民以食為本 |
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我認為說像這些問題實際上他們薪水也沒有加我買的東西越來越少當然痛苦指數就往上飆嘛對不對你說加薪沒有錯但實際上加薪到目前為止你說正常的一般這個大學畢業以後你要是沒有領個三萬多塊怎麼生活怎麼生活尤其有的是 |
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主席 |
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委員基本上您講的也是反映了一些剛剛出來社會上工作的這些年輕人的問題所以我剛才也跟您報告說實際上像年輕人租房子我們就有房租津貼而且年輕人我們那個減稅額度現在就調高所以他的這個免稅額 |
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議員﹚ |
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院長,央行總裁、楊總裁後天要召開今年第一季的理監事會。對。面對美國雖然可能降息,楊總裁說臺灣有電價要漲的變數,所以面對通膨上半年沒有降息的可能。至於是否升息,則說會嚴肅的來討論這個議題。那針對 |
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我想這一個 |
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央行開理事會這是實在是太專業的問題我們讓理事會來做決定那對於這一個調整電價對於物價的可能的影響我要跟委員報告實際上很多的國家在這一個前兩三年的時候當他的染料的價格上升的時候他就及時的反映當時的成本價格所以那個電價調漲都是超過50%、70%甚至一倍以上 |
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3602.082 |
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前幾天因為沒有要選舉所以說聯繫選舉 |
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所以說你看,所有電價委員會幾乎都沒有調漲,但是現在沒有選舉,所以說今天你要是揮一條...我們有調過兩次,一次是8%,一次是11%但是那個院長這次是不一樣,你應該精心足足的,對不對,不然的話台電虧損3800多億 |
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那為什麼說要用我們的這個鈔針這個跟主計長這邊在拉扯鈔針要去補貼但是啊主計長認為說那個鈔針不能全部都去補貼跟那委員報告一下我們沒有所謂意見不同我們是是一個是共同的一個在在那個行政院的節奏因為本期是認為說 |
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最重要就是物價要控制民眾大眾都是認為現在物價怕失控的一個疑慮所以說大眾物資降稅的時程延長是不是解決唯一的辦法還是有別的辦法可以來穩定物價這一點是民眾關心的老百姓關心的有沒有什麼看法 |
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3695 |
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3695.02 |
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總裁 |
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我跟委員報告,事實上呢,我們去年我們的CPI是2.49,我們的CORE,我們的核心是2.61。但是呢,現在就是說,電價會調漲,但是我們估測的結果呢,我們的CPI跟核心的CPI還是會慢慢的下來的。所以呢,也就是說,即使它會超過2%以上,但是還是會比去年來的低。 |
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所以說你們認為這次的電價調漲對整個未來物價不會跟著直接緩逆是不是這樣? |
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跟那個委員報告一下這個的話我完全看市場工具但是我們會在整個過程當中採選適當的措施不會讓他說因為幾乎立法院所有的委員都在擔心這一次整個電價調漲以後這個所有的物價全部跟著漲那我是認為行政院物價穩定小組會議今年是每三個月召開一次 |
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現在改為每個月召開一次目的就是要積極去監控物價的變化那媒體報導考量整個國際物價持續的波動加上建價及時的調整小組會議會研議對策尤其是減增這些原料的像剛剛講的貨物稅等等 |
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將於3月底借期就是到時間可望在展延一季或者是6個月一旦確定是將是降稅實施這第11度的延長那如果降稅再延長行政院有估算過國庫的稅損會有 |
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謝謝林委員得福的質詢也謝謝陳院長的備詢接下來我們請登記第三位吳委員春辰質詢 |
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3862.053 |
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委員長,辛苦了。 |
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3903.186 |
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不知道院長有沒有注意到在前面有6次的這個國是論壇我都在談壯世代你有聽到嗎那為什麼要談6次因為很重要但是可不可以請院長稍微簡單介紹一下壯世代是什麼如果你離久就不用再重講我想壯世代是教科文協會的倡議說50到70歲的 |
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3906.247 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
3906.747 |
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謝謝院長很認真聽這個課程 |
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3926.687 |
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那這個希望我們接下來的談話就有助於扶國利民了就是不要瞎扯那是很認真的一場對話我也很認真的準備那院長有看到今天的頭條新聞嗎有而內岸這個打成這一個 |
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3973.113 |
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昨天國會也吵成一團然後總統、市長幾乎所有的部門最後是社工被戴上手銬然後吵成一團那薛部長昨天終於說出實話說社安網有缺陷講出了一個體制的問題 |
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不是都是各方面追究責任單一責任的問題那這個可以看得出我們的政府啊就是大家在處理事情都是表表面功夫啦那這個實質的病照在哪裡可以請問院長問題 |
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3992.984 |
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4017.235 |
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我想這個社安碗的這一個事件,內核事件的話,實際上地方政府還有民間的委託機構以及中央政府通通需要一起來合作,才能夠使整個社安碗能夠很健全。那我們也不可能只有這個政府來照顧,需要跟民間一起合作,中央跟地方要合作,這是很重要的。 |
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4031.61 |
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在更深的深度就是這張圖表。臺灣人口結構大翻轉。這裡這張表兩邊一個是1970年一個是2040年。大概在2010年往前30年就是1970年那一個樣態。院長看到這裡當時國人年齡中位數是19.3歲。 |
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4074.139 |
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往後30年就2040年臺灣的中位數是52.4歲落差有多大從19到54歲我們的幼年人口在1970年是39.7那接下來會是10.2這一個人口這麼大的翻轉但是可以看得出來 |
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4098.733 |
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院長那個我們現在是用1970年的腦袋在處理這些涉案的問題還是用2040年的腦袋在處理我想我們現在在處理的話是用2024年的腦袋在處理啦我們確實在政府在施政的時候都有考慮到整合人口結構的問題所以我們對少子化 |
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所以呢 |
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院長你是壯世代的楷模 |
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你在65歲時候擔任副總統那這一個72歲接任行政院長通常這個年紀在我們的國人的習慣裡面就是應該是要退休了但是你積極的展開第三人生這是作為典範 |
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所以院長你是個人是用2040年的腦袋在奮戰你的人生但是我們看這個你的部會是用1970年代的腦袋在制定我們的政策我們看這裡院長你看到 |
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這個中高齡就業促進法當中,定45歲就是中高齡,誒是夠不夠離譜啊,40歲如果出國念書回來都快40歲了,工作沒幾年就已經要代退了,這是我們的政府制度。老人福利法制定65歲就是老人,高齡科技都是養生養病,交通部把75歲視為危險份子,院長你不要當危險份子了。 |
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要取消他的駕照重新考照要重新考照教育部終身學習室預算是3.4億服務的對象是600萬60萬平均一個人一年的預算是57元台幣數位部數位落差不在偏鄉而在台北市我們的高齡者數位落差達到60% |
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議員：議員： |
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這一些你滿意嗎? |
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這個實際上我們在 |
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二零二一年的時候呢,就有修正這個高齡社會白皮書啦。那我...啊對...你...委員你這裡...你的白皮書...這個白皮書裡面齁,我們有些檢討,當然需要還有再改進的地方。但是委員你講得很對,大家都高齡化,而且呢大家健康狀況又很好。那怎麼樣使得這一些人能夠...好院長,那個跟...不只是各部會,這是去年齁,行政院所提出的 |
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超高齡社會對策臺灣2020明年就進入超高齡社會被視為國安問題但是完全現在看起來比兩岸這個的應戰能力還更差這個的大綱這個對策的大綱我列舉出來這個應該是對高齡者所提出的服務應該也蠻適用這個院長你現在使用那你可以看到這些項目當中有哪些是你所需要的 |
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讓你看起來會感到動心的你所需求的,院長有沒有我想以我現在的狀況以我現在的狀況可能我都 |
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還不是太需要了。不太需要對不對?那你行政院制定這個是給誰用的?我想因為社會上高齡的人有不同的健康狀況。不同的人對不對?但是你們規定的你們制定的是給國人台灣進入超高齡社會整個的社會未來這個是占一半人口欸那這些人院長你自己都覺得不需要的那你你給誰用來我們看好今年我們的社會預算已經 |
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院長請問你認為未來的社福預算要多少才夠用? |
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我覺得未來的社會預算就要看這個整個高齡者還有幼兒這兩塊,如果高齡者的健康狀況還有就業生還有他們的需求。接下來我要談解方了,所以我請那個我們金管會的那個黃主委。謝謝現在我們請這個黃主委先暫停時間暫停。 |
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老人的每個需求 |
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主委好委員好是這一個剛才提到的困境包括薛部長所提的這一個這個是一個體制的問題有破洞那最主要原因就在於我們所看到的其實我們現在有800萬的壯世代那在這個裡面我們有三種類型的人事實上我們都把他 |
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有些可以鼓勵他消費他很有資產很有現有有些人有資產但是他這個被凍結有些他需要解放他勞動力但是我們政府對這三部分呢幾乎都不重視只在做這個社會安全網所以你是撐不住的來我要請那個那個那個來回答我們的黃珠維 |
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現在壯士在資本市場掌握三分之二臺灣的財富但是我們的印象當中這一群人是又貧又窮又困又弱請問為什麼會這樣子然後如何來活化他們的財富現在的65歲應該是嬰兒潮時代所以在當年臺灣經濟發展他們的努力累積了相當的財富是好OK這個我要這個 |
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接下來是要有積極的方法剛才談的要體系不是哪裡痛哪裡治這個其實在綠色金融這一塊金管會做得非常的好必須給予肯定很用心而且改變了生態 |
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我們是不是可以請這一個 |
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我第一個請那個黃主委,是不是可以比照這個綠色金融來做這種金融行動方案,是不是可以這樣子做呢?有沒有困難? |
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如果以金管會本身的權責,我們本來就對高齡化社會有幾個面向,維護權益,提供商品,然後加強教育跟永公平的評鑑。那您所指示的上市會公司現在在永續報告書,公司治理評鑑上都有。那我可以參照委員的意見,我們再強化這些內容。 |
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包括上市會公司他在IPO的時期也許多要求他一些對於這個上市代的一些規範。針對這兩項針對這兩項這個院長可不可以有一個具體的承諾針對這兩項 |
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這一點可不可以做得到? |
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所以院長可以 |
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責成經管會這兩項當中是不是可以提出這個因為也會涉及到其他部會包括像勞動部會向到經濟部的商品的設計因為工業院我也去拜會過他們都在做銀髮族的商品養生養兵養勞其實 |
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這個是全面性的問題,包括教育部都有問題,包括每一個部會都有問題,國科會所設計的高齡科技也都是有問題,那這需要落實到一些策略上面,院長是不是可以?我們會從這個角度來努力之外,委員剛才也講到這個高齡社會的白皮書,我們這個白皮書未來, |
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這個我完全同意 |
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這個有734萬的壯世代在看我們的對話因為大家都非常期待這是一個時代的大翻轉這個部會是做不到的這需要有國家的領導人的決心不然如果都敷衍這個結構性是沒辦法變化其實各部會我都跟他們拜會過的 |
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其實大家都非常認同這樣的觀念但是大家都一句話啊沒辦法啊政府國家現在目前的法律制度也就是領導人都是這樣子啊然後大家都把它當作插花的政策啊每一個都有一點高領的東西啦但是都擺在那邊好看的啦都沒有成為核心政策但是一邊又說這是國安問題啦沒有決心所以院長這個520當中520之後你說你不續任那我們今天談的談話 |
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是如何能夠承諾,執政黨會延續你現在講的話嗎?我們一起努力,然後我會把委員的這個期待讓新的內閣也能夠有所了解,我們讓內閣的這個交接能夠無縫接軌。是,那是代表執政黨的承諾,是不是?謝謝吳委員純誠的質詢,也謝謝陳縣長的備詢。接下來我們請登記第4號,中委員嘉賓質詢。 |
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主席、在場的委員先進、院協的政府機關事務官員、會長、公眾夥伴、樓上的媒體記者先生。我們有請院長和莊部長及朱主席長。再請陳院長備詢。財政部主席處請備詢。總委員早。院長好。部長好。委員好。等一下主席長。慢慢來。 |
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主席長好陳院長一年前你接任的時候正好要選舉有人說那是戰鬥內閣現在一年後有人說520會改組有人說你是看守內閣請問你覺得一年多來我們行政院是什麼樣的內閣我覺得行政院就是一個溫暖堅韌的內閣很好我還給你加一個mark我認為這一屆的行政院是一個深蹲內閣知道深蹲嗎 |
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主席長 |
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你在8年的任內總共有6項特別預算對不對?對那大概支出規模是多少? |
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二點二兆我算了一下其中有將近一半1.1兆是用舉債的是不是這樣那這是八項這六項特別預算即將在明年後年陸續就完成了結果我們看一下中央政府的長期債務比例從2016的33%降到27%而且我們還還了九千多億的債務委員長你覺得我們這兩位左腳右腳的深圳內閣的下盤穩不穩 |
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讚對不對讚我想不管未來的隔閨是誰就算主席長要退休要找個能力跟他相當的你同不同意同意我們來看一下財政部長也不遑多讓我們加速還本債務利息支出逐年下降是不是這樣子 |
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是的那我們看了一下其實過去在2016推動我們前瞻基礎建設的時候8年8800億災黨批評說這個特別預算亂花錢事實證明我們在2016之後迎來了世界經濟的榮景臺灣年年的稅收都增加而且呢我們用了2.2兆做的特別預算結果居然好像沒有多增加什麼債務 |
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那這個成就啊,你看,我們中央政府總預算規模是多少?主席長,是不是2.8兆?對,差不多嘛。我們2.2兆的特別預算快一個年度的中央規模總預算耶。我們的GDP多少?台灣的GDP大概24兆。現在快25兆。25兆了,是不是?所以台灣實在,我們的財政實在厲害。好,那我問了這個,我來問你一下。 |
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那就你作為一個家長我們看一般的家庭收入一般人民的家庭收入有固定收入薪資收入對不對有投資收入譬如說投資ETF啊對不對譬如說兩夫妻買了一個透天的啊一樓出租當店面啊二三樓自己住中南部是不是很常見院長是不是很常見是好那假如說今天這個中南部的家庭小孩說爸爸爸爸我想出國去念個學位 |
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所以我們來看一下一個國家的財政收入有這些 |
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莊副長,你看我們的稅收是包括資產稅、營業稅、所得稅、證交稅這些大宗,是不是這樣?是那過去我們的稅收創造3.43兆的新高,其中最大的貢獻是什麼?中所稅還有證交稅還有營業稅營業稅這三個,那大概這個機會稅成長的最多,那稅收率息是不是來自這些機會稅? |
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所得稅其實應該算是努力或者是營業的收入。是的,所以我們來看一下一個國家的社福支出要用穩定的資產稅來支撐,但是如果基礎建設我們有很不錯的機會稅的收入, |
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﹚議員﹚ |
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議長你同意嗎? |
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同意 |
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接下來520之後我們有賴總統他要推出一個國家希望工程目前我們財政狀況良好可不可以請我們兩位財長去盤點我們的財政收支狀況我問一下部長你覺得未來台灣這三五年內的財政收支是樂觀還是悲觀 |
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基本上應該算是樂觀應該是樂觀嘛所以你可不可以責成兩位部長跟主計長趕快的在520之前盤點未來我們三五年內可能的財政收支可以留給下一任總統用特別預算來加速發展更新我們國家的基礎建設你同不同意 |
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我想我們一定會做好好的盤點而且剛才我也說過就是說我們現在內閣跟未來的內閣一定是無縫交接那在這樣的無縫交接的情況下我們當然盤點完了以後也會把相關的資訊來提供給下一個內閣所以你們盤點好了就讓下一任的內閣有可以特別預算來推動國家希望工程是不是 |
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好那我們來看一下我們來談一個課題最近齁台灣的半導體生產中心難移你知道嗎南科目前的晶片產量有沒有超過竹科你所知道的南科應該是超過竹科了這個國發會公主也說的對沒有錯那麼我們南部的這個高科技S廊道行程你覺得在半導體產業中心難移之後南部還要加強什麼什麼樣的基礎建設水啊電啊還是貨運的量呢 |
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目前臺灣的機場客運大概淘機佔了一成以上一點點但是貨運9成6在淘機你覺得這個現象正常嗎?安全嗎?最主要是因為現在的貨大部分都在北部 |
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應該是 |
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對,所以如果當台灣的貨運量能9成6都集中來淘機,我們南部的半導體晶片會運不出去啊,你是不是讓有人擔心,對不對?所以我現在要問他一個問題,有沒有考慮因應著台灣的產業難移,我們南部要建一個貨運機場,你覺得有沒有這個需要? |
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我覺得這是要就像您這裡寫的一樣我們需要評估半導體未來產業的這個需要然後呢及早及早來規劃這個我相信一定會需要的啦 |
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對,所以我還沒問你,你就答應了。我希望你們評估呢,折成我們的這個針對那個及早評估半導體生產業未來10年的需求、空運需求及早規劃對應規模的國際貨運經常好不好?那可以考慮一下屏東嗎? |
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今天的報紙說了昨天的新聞怎麼樣? |
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台積電的兩座封裝廠落腳哪裡?落腳哪裡?落腳嘉義。為什麼?因為它緊鄰國道1號。如果說今天在12年前我們主張的東西二塊就弄好了,說不定台積電也會在屏東設個廠,你覺得呢?可能他們會做不同的考量。 |
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是的,所以交通建設要提前部署,對不對?對,而且屏東現在有科學園區的嘛。是啊,所以我們常常發現交通建設要提前部署,那我們看一下,但是在規劃這個重大的交通建設的時候常常有一個問題,就是什麼?就是財務效益跟社會經濟的發展,有兩派,下一頁。 |
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所以我們看一下有人說這個財務效應現在屏東人少不需要做高鐵花東還沒有開發但是有人說要及早規劃你覺得哪一種說法比較能夠展現國家的願景如果有能力我覺得應該要有提前規劃的能力很好來我們看一下我告訴你一個慘痛的教訓叫高鐵你知道嗎高鐵進不了高雄車站可是高鐵在雙北有三個車站 |
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南港有台北有板橋,你知道什麼原因嗎?原因是什麼?原因早年在高鐵規劃之前,中央已經決定要把台北的鐵路地下化,花了1800億,所以高鐵就不用多花錢,直接從南港拉到了板橋,設了三個站,是不是這樣?那你的故鄉在高雄,為什麼高鐵進不了高雄車站? |
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因為新左營到高雄車站要地下化要花將近千億當年呢不捨得花所以等到高鐵開始規劃了才來說要地下化高鐵已經不可能開進高雄車站了這你了解吧我了解所以一個不夠遠見的決策為了省錢結果後面要花更多的錢所以呢我們認為軌道建設不能只是滿足都市的人口而設置而是要做為了均衡區域發展而建設你同意嗎 |
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這個我當然同意所以有人說高鐵要環島未來高鐵環島我覺得不是不可能但是要一步一步來目前的高鐵我認為叫做ICO高鐵一開始是一條線I嘛從哪裡 |
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從板橋到新左營嘛,是不是這樣? |
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是。但是呢現在往北往南延伸,從板橋台北南港要往宜蘭,從高雄要往屏東,如果再往前延伸到台東,從宜蘭再到花蓮,這是不是個西? |
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那未來如果能夠先拿到西,未來再把花蓮跟台中打通,那一步一步的發展臺灣的環島高鐵,你覺得這樣的策略你覺得是不是符合國家兼顧財政的能力跟社會發展的需求?對,我想按部就班,然後按照財務的規劃的情況,然後繼續來進行。 |
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所以高鐵本來現在的方向就是先到宜蘭,到屏東。那在西,再來歐,是不是這樣子?好,那我們要用特別預算來支持這個計畫。接下來我們來談一下根據2023年台灣的育兒情況調查呢,大多數的家長他們關心的是什麼?幼兒園的滿意評分呢,公立兒園拿高分。原因是什麼?學費較低,很重要是資穩定。你同意嗎?這個我想是家長的看法,對。 |
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沒有錯,那失智穩定關係在哪裡呢?同樣的調查告訴我們,教保員的起薪啊,如果以這個公會跟調查呢,事由的準公用的教保員起薪呢,從過去的2萬9提升到3萬2,但是呢,如果從2萬9提升到3萬,但是如果是公用跟非營利的,從3萬2提供到3萬8,那你覺得從老師的薪水,你覺得哪邊的失智會比較穩定? |
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公幼非營利還是私幼准公幼?哪邊比較高?3萬2到3萬8還是2萬9到3萬?看起來好像都重要欸。3萬2到3萬8的老師會比較穩定嗎?是不是這樣子?好,就要拜託一件事情。 |
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現在全國各地定位少子化國小並行病校包括我的故鄉屏東很多學校病家長在抗議但是我們來想想看如果今天國家財政有能力我們來試想一個好不好國小的校舍下一頁國小的校舍是現成的如果我們能夠給這些老師一個10年的長約用特別預算來支撐這個計畫讓他10年很穩定的因應逐漸少子化的幼教的需求你覺得可行嗎 |
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我想其實在國外就有很多學校是從K到12對所以說從幼兒就開始照顧那這個方案的話我們可以請相關的部會來做研議所以運用現有的國小校舍一個專案10年的長約來擴充我們幼教的師資讓這些幼教人員他有比較穩定的預期可以安心的來幫我們學家長帶他們的小孩你同意嗎 |
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對,這就是K-12的道理。好,那除此之外呢,我還有一個訴求齁。我過去在院會提出什麼?就是怎樣?要幫小店家降稅減負擔,對不對?我那時候說了齁,起徵點過去是8萬以下免營業稅,我希望提高到20萬。那我希望呢,銷售額啊,20萬提高到50萬。部長你覺得,你那時候知道我這個訴求嗎? |
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了解那現在你們做了沒有第一個有關營業稅起徵點這個8萬的部分這個部分我們正在檢討那你們打算提高到多高那這個部分我們正在在計算當中我幫你們算了啦你們打算提高到14萬從8萬提高到14萬院長我要擺脫 |
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您們會提高起徵點,但是我覺得您乾脆一點,直接拉高到20萬,可以考慮一下嗎?我告訴你,我問問院長,院長你看一下,這些微星企業未達20萬的,它的稅收貢獻才30幾億,你讓這些20萬以下的免營業稅,稅損有限,你覺得呢? |
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會不會考慮陳院長我想要看數字啦我已經把數字算給你了接下來我希望你責成財政部再評估一下至於營業稅20萬到50萬的我們是不是給他有條件的一趴優惠鼓勵這些年輕人創業你支持嗎對這個我想我們請這個財政部來研議好那最後的這個五項訴求包括盤點財政需求以特別運算來推動 |
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謝謝總委員嘉賓的質詢。也謝謝陳院長的備詢。報告院會財政組織質詢已詢答完畢。休息10分鐘。休息之後進行教育及文化組織質詢。現在休息。 |
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報告委員會現在繼續開會,進行教育及文化組織質詢。接下來我們請登記第一位,葛委員如君,質詢。 |
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謝謝主席。請行政院陳院長。再請陳院長備詢。國會院長,我是你當選立委。謝謝。 |
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月長,近來AI 中文稱作人工智慧,成為學術界、科技界、金融界、藝術界等各個領域非常熱門的關鍵字。在去年深層式AI的關鍵字甚至打敗了BlackPink。 |
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所以可以說是一個全球熱燒但是院長如果拿起手機上網搜尋你可能會看見許多專家對台灣AI的前景可以說是憂心忡忡的提出各種呼籲希望說我們要先要先進不要先進這個進不要變成禁止的進要進步不要牛步 |
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我想這是大家有志一同的共識政府如果再不提出國家級的AI戰略積極落實前瞻視野的AI治理政策我想未來我們難保不會從科技大戶陷入科技貧戶的窘境 |
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在AI科技的發展上很可能還會從這個過去我們是領先的到變成與鄰近國家相比產生數位落差甚至接下來變智慧落差。談到AI的基礎環境我想我們今天就從法規、人才、科技資料等等切入這幾天有一個大新聞希望我想這個諸位都有看到 |
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歐洲議會通過了所謂的人工智慧法案那在這個歐盟開了全球的先河制定監管AI的人工智慧法案在3月13號高票獲得歐洲議會表決通過有外界將這樣的一個事件定義為一場人機大戰的開端象徵著AI大西部時代的開始想請教院長 |
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台灣對於AI政策框架的想法到底是什麼?我國基本上在AI的這個政策上跟美國比較像我們先採指引再立法這樣的方式來進行那最主要的原因也是在這個像剛才委員講的很好EU現在有AI Act但是其他的國家也都還在 |
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謝謝院長我先引用一下就是國科會的吳政宗主委曾經說過的 |
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深層式AI是兩面刃除了攸關產業的發展倫理法律的規範也要重新檢視並且提到我們雖然採用了先指引後法律但是不代表法律沒有現在正在動作 |
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那我現在就真的是要來請教一下院長我們的AI草案已經有動作了嗎?這些都是國際上已經有的相繼的一些行政命令甚至已經有立法了我們AI法制的規劃到底是什麼?我們的戰略到底是什麼?我們是要野蠻生長再立法因應還是先訂出框架讓產業有所依循去漸進式的成長我們看到呢有媒體指出政府要力拼520前提出AI草案 |
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但是呢我們又看到這個吳政中主委近日又表示人工智慧基本法預計在年底前提出想請教一下我們人工智慧基本法的草案目前到底遇到什麼困難我們每天睡覺AI都在變聰明為什麼行政院版的人工智慧基本法提出日程一變再變一言再言 |
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國委員你是這方面的專家那事實上你剛提出來的優勢事實上我們也知道而且蠻重要那未來我想從去年開始這個深層次人工智慧不是只有人工智慧這個應該是一個大趨勢 |
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那那個人工智慧基本法草案事實上我們的團隊事實上每天都在精進當中那個3月13號的那個歐盟議會那個事實上他通過事實上我們有秘訣不好意思我們剛剛都提過了我們剛剛講過了3月13號謝謝您都聽到我們想知道到底是520還是年底以前可不可以給我們一個答案是年底以前事實上我們現在草案有但是也要徵詢各社會各界的一些意見 |
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的確我剛剛講有是一個兩面刃就是創新跟這個規範那歐盟他走的比較是規範這一邊美國日本跟英國是比較另外一邊謝謝我想這個我們要跨部會來一起合作因為如果我們依循的方向錯了我們的產業在對接國際產業的時候可能就會出現問題如同您所說的歐盟立法架構踩風險分歧美國可能相對的是進行所謂的發展 |
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我們採取的方向希望政府可以趕快定出來我們剛剛講說都指出來了但是到底我們要選哪一邊?我們目前選邊了嗎? |
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應該是比較偏向美國、日本跟英國這一邊但是美國、日本、英國已經有非常大的企業了我們選那一邊我們有辦法跟他競爭嗎?我想這個未來我們要來交流一下好不好?我想除了法制面的問題以外我們也要來培育相關的人才來促進科技的研發也必須要有足夠的經費支持在這邊這個難得的機會我想要來請教一下院長我們台灣近年來平均每年投入AI的相關經費大概是多少? |
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那個人工智慧牽涉盲管,它是一個back and forth,所以事實上它在各個計畫裡面都有。各國現在都有一個大戰略大框架,我待會都會提出數字喔,所以我們台灣的數字到底是多少? |
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我如果沒有記錯的話應該每年大約有一百二十幾億好很好事實上我們看到的數字在這個臺灣AI行動計畫2.0裡面完全沒有預算規模我們過去非常佩服執政黨在推動相關的規劃上面有兩百億的有八千八百億的 |
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但是我們在這麼重要的AI法案上面2.0的版本裡面完全沒有預算規模的數字我們去問了甚至也不好問到我手上這一本事實上臺灣AI行動計畫2.0不只是有相關的預算不清楚的問題但是我們甚至連框架都還不完整不明確我們AI整體的推動策略是透過國家AI推動小組統籌 |
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包括國家的AI政策的規劃,協調各部會的AI計畫跟經費配置與管考,也就是我們這個投影片的架構。國家AI推動小組是要負責AI政策各計畫的管考。現在的召集人確實就是我們在這裡的這個科技政委兼國科會主委吳政宗先生。但是呢 |
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我們向國科會詢問國家一年我們現在這個架構很清楚嘛對吧有畫出來了嘛但是呢到底你上往上往下下來一年的AI預算有多少國科會給我的答覆卻是目前沒有資料要跟各部會索取並彙整沒辦法馬上分組我們進一步詢問五個任務分組當中每個部會業務推動的進度國科會也表示沒有辦法一一掌握這個我們其實他很擔心啦齁 |
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是不是又要像數位部的大龍像數位身份證一樣錢先花了再來改來改去根本沒有一貫的計畫這個是不是可以分享一下那個跟委員報告應該是不會像你剛剛講是完全沒有掌控事實上AI行動計畫是在國科會那之前是科技匯報辦公室現在是國科會的科技辦公室那那個是以行政院的高度來看看各部會他執行的狀態 |
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我不知道誰回應你說不知道那個應該是不正確我想他們可能正在滾動修正我想請問院長謝謝院長想要發言我們就馬上要來請教你我們國家的AI推動小組真的可以我們現在這樣的架構真的可以破壞我們國家級的AI戰略嗎一個由國科會主委執掌的國家AI推動小組真的有辦法對於其他任務的我們剛剛也提到 |
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﹗ |
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委員我想你可能對我們行政院的結構不太清楚其實在行政院院長副院長還秘書長之下其實我們還有政委那政委就是負責跨部會的協調那現在國科會的主委也是科技政委所以科技政委就是做跨部會的協調的工作謝謝院長其實這個部分我很清楚但是我想要問的是接下來520如果沒有國科會主委 |
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或者同時兼任政委我們的這個架構怎麼辦呢還是我們現在當場承諾我們非常優秀的國會主委直接留任我們政委也直接留任繼續沿用這個架構啊我們現在已經3月19號了AI我們每天睡覺AI就變聰明不會啦我想不會離開嘛對不對不是我想是這樣子 |
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國科會主委兼科技政委是常態嗎?會是常態嗎?以往就是這樣報言那個是我們組織法通過的這是國科的主委由行政院的科技政委來兼任的那我們就希望這樣子領頭來進行但是這還不是最完整的我們來看一下我們行政院下其實還有一個叫做智慧國家推動小組 |
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到底這個小組跟我們剛剛的這個小組國家AI推動小組到底有什麼關聯啊是說智慧國家就沒有AI嗎還是說AI推動小組就沒有智慧勒這兩個小組都在行政院之下啊他們之間的互動又是什麼是不是可以跟我們說明一下讓我們整個學界產業那包含我們這些立法監督我們都能夠有所了解謝謝 |
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現在跟委員報告事實上智慧國家方案的前身就是DigiPlus應該委員應該很清楚那事實上智慧國家他是一個行政院最大的框架當然裡面會有AI的一些計畫那跟委員報告AI 2.0推出來的時候那個ChangePT還沒有出來所以剛剛這個委員這個槌尋的事實上我們現在已經有把它做一些所以我們應該要期待3.0的版本是嗎是的 |
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好OK我們希望可以一起來努力那我想真的是希望可以避免我們的AI政策跌床駕屋大小不一剛剛我們待會會去看回放其實就有非常多的名詞組織架構改來改去我相信都是為了好滾動式修正也不錯但是應該要越來越清楚而不是越來越模糊 |
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二來行政院的高度一定要做出來可以對跨部會的業務更有效的溝通跟整合AI真的太快了我們絕對不能讓我們人類的行動多頭馬車 |
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我想接下來目前正在進行的AI行動計畫1.0真的是我們覺得內容不夠完整 |
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所以我們其實很多內容我們都只能回去看1.0所以我們看到我們AI發展4年的總預算經費360億平均一年是90億如果今年假設是120億的話我們比較一下 |
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其實真的花了不少錢啊AI領航推動這個標題花了117億到底內容是什麼是領航什麼推動什麼當然我們接下來希望在3.0看得更清楚但是我們來比較一下美國2022年用在AI的研究經費1000億台幣德國2023年要提升到10億歐元相當於330億台幣南韓我們比較近嘛9090億韓元相當於218億元的預算 |
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讓AI在南韓成為日常我想請教一下院長您認為要全面升級發展AI我們到底有沒有一個相關的投入計畫的目標我們能不能提升預算讓我們更高的人才更厲害的發展有足夠充足的預算我想委員你剛才的質詢相當完整我們要從法律、制度、人才還有這個方案的質詢一起來做 |
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那這個相關的AI的這個計畫我相信我們新的版本一定會把這個預算的規模再擴大。希望可以投入進來。謝謝不好意思時間有限了。我想剛剛院長也提到了AI的人才我們有法規我們有資源其實人才也很重要請問一下院長行政院有沒有推估我國未來在10年大概需要多少AI相關的人才我直接在這裡回應 |
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我們目前預估需要2.6萬人AI人才有這樣的一個缺口但是我們數位部每年培訓8000人是AI應用人才還不是高階的我們高階的可能可以產出的是3500名AI人才500名知通領域的人才每年12500名 |
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這個其實還是真的是杯水車薪中國大陸就預估2030年的AI人才缺口即將達到400萬人目前頂級人才到百萬美金的年薪到百萬人民幣的年薪英國牛津經濟學的公司曾經用數學模型推估台灣要面臨全球最嚴重的人才荒人才次數達到-1.5% |
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在過去去年我們有一個臺灣人才白皮書就直指臺灣每年有1.2萬人的學校畢業就赴日本工作每年臺灣籍有3千人到美國去做技術人才的簽證但是去年我們一整年我們的就業金卡科技類這個政策是很棒的但是科技類只網羅到372個人想請教一下院長我們如何能夠留才育才 |
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好謝謝從教育著手我最後來請教一下 |
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我們在LLM大型原模型的開發真的很落後我們有台德的計畫這個很棒但是他們花錢買了72片的H100的GPU但是美國的一家公司就次之百億美元要買35萬片 |
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謝謝 |
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7336.403 |
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7357.781 |
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謝謝各委員如均的質詢,也謝謝陳院長的備詢。接下來我們請登記第二位,麥委員喻貞以諮詢以書面提出,請行政院書面答覆,並列入紀錄刊登公報。再接下來我們請登記第三號葉委員原知質詢。 |
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委員長請陳建仁院長請陳院長備詢委員長 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].start |
7378.325 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].end |
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院長早 院長我先來爭取一下我們板橋的建設因為我們板橋現在要增建第二運動中心跟院長報告一下板橋非常特別板橋總共有接近60萬人所以板橋是全台灣唯一可以選兩個立法委員的地方那上一次我在國民黨黨團有遇到你你那時候還不認識我也不知道我是立委今天有機會跟你面對面跟你介紹一下那板橋因為有兩個立委 |
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所以人數非常多我們現在也在增設了第二國民運動中心那這個運動中心是地方引領期盼的一個運動中心總共造價是接近11億然後大家都非常期盼那這個當初新北市政府說要蓋這個運動中心的時候在前年也有跟中央要爭取預算但是一直沒有下文那去年好像又發了兩次文希望中央可以跟中央爭取預算但是又沒有下文 |
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那今年又再住徵期的預算那還是沒有下文後來呢因為地方實在是等不及了所以在3月6號就已經先開工了嘛因為現在你也知道如果說晚開工的話有些工程造價什麼都會往上所以我想要問院長啦 |
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總共12億,不知道中央能不能補助一些,讓我們地方的財源可以稍微寬鬆一點。按照規定,如果已經在核定補助前就開工的我們是不能補助的。不能補助,對,但是我剛剛也講了嘛,他實際上在去年也申請兩次,前年也申請兩次,那每一次都一直被打回票嘛,所以你說他當然沒辦法等了嘛,那所以可不可以看在之前也申請很多次的份上, |
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看看有什麼方法可以補助一下。我請部長來回答。因為其實實際上他要求補助也不多啦。我知道現在中央補助好像也都是補助一兩億嘛。那前瞻計畫很多啦。 |
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我們看那個高雄啊,暖室都拿非常多,暖室在這幾年來前瞻計畫,他們拿一千,我印象當中是拿一千兩百多億嘛,然後自籌款只要八百億,但我們新北市是,我們是只有拿九百多億,但是自籌款是一千多億,其實我們都感覺很不公平,我現在只是爭取這個選區的運動中心,對。 |
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委員這個因為體育署教育部這邊對新北的體育設施補助其實額度是相當的我想可以統計給委員委員在板橋知道光那個板橋第一運動中那個當時辦運的時候其實整個是麻煩心過 |
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我知道我知道我現在沒有在講動工這個事我的意思是說其實之前有申請過那不能再等了 |
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不可能說一直等一直等然後中央沒給錢我就不動工這個對成本也會增加我現在是說能不能中央找一個方法再補助一下因為畢竟人家並不是都沒人來申請就直接動工是申請兩三年 |
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那未來看裡面的設施或者怎麼樣有需要補助的項目 |
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第二我想針對校園安全的問題跟院長討論因為昨天其實部長來我們委員會我也跟他討論那其實我跟很多基層老師有聊過啦其實他們最需要三件事情 |
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我要跟院長報告一下第一件事情是希望有一個中介的常設組織讓一些高關懷的小朋友離開比如說關護所什麼之類可以先不要進到學校先到中記的常戶常態性的這個組織比如說宗教或者是社福等等第二還是希望少年隊可以加強 |
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加強區域跟學校的聯繫昨天部長是有講啦部長是有講說少年隊有在做啊但是就是不夠所以才會出現這個狀況而且我要跟我要跟院長講現在的小朋友跟以前最大不一樣就是很多小朋友已經被幫派吸收吸收做什麼吸收做詐騙集團的車手 |
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這是在過去比較沒有發生的所以現在的有些幫派小孩以前可能跟幫派他沒有那麼直接沒有那麼頻繁聯繫他是屬於某個幫派但他沒有那麼長的聯繫但現在因為做詐騙的關係所以他常常聯繫做車手很多你去看很多關護所關的小朋友他都是在做車手所以現在的少年隊真的應該扮演更積極的角色第三就是我們希望說增加校安人員雖然昨天部長講說 |
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好﹖ |
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我們一個一個來齁,比如說這個常設的中繼組織,那這個常設的中繼,大概院長你支持嘛對不對? |
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院長支持的話那大概教育部什麼時候可以做到這個?常設喔?對 |
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委員這個所謂的常設就是本來就是縣市我們目前在協調的就是在做現在要增設的就是有關司法少年原來像新北也有設這一種我們在合作室的中途班這個其實都是跟民間團體在合作但我們現在希望能夠邀請到已經也在做協調就是對於過去有服務協助復選少年跟司法少年的這個全國有33個團體他們也願意來共同現在在做 |
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希望在3月底我們把這樣的一些設定的建制的計畫確定,然後讓縣市這邊就開始來做協助。我們希望在5月能夠在這個類型的這個中介的基地能夠把它建成。5月可以完成是不是?那我有個建議,我有個建議,很多老師認為說 |
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這些飛行少年或是高官懷少年從關戶所出來之後不進學校嘛直接進中紀組織但他們不希望說全部的都聚在一起希望能夠個別輔導因為如果說大家全部在一個中紀組織的話又會出現一種犯罪大學的狀況 |
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所以有沒有辦法避免我剛講的情形我要補充的就是他不會是單一啦因為現在我們為什麼說要把這個全國一起來當然縣市也有一個建議說如果他們再有一些公社的單位可以我說當然可以我們目的都一樣但是說社的形態確實可以多元我們也希望當然我們以新北來說啦這個學生數多我們需要去照顧的觀光學生可能也多就不希望只是單一的據點 |
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我的問題我的問題是說不要讓個別學那一堆這種從官戶所的少年又把他們全部都聚在一起讓他們一起學習這可能也會衍生出別的問題這個就要看他這個中紀組織他本身的 |
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院長這部分你可以去,你們可以去要求嘛。對不對,你們可以說請他們特別注意到這一點嘛。這是老師的信稱啊。反正就是說你剛剛講了嘛,五月的時候這個常態性的這個中介組織就會出現嘛。那相關的那個具體的系的辦法到時候再來跟我們討論好不好。 |
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第二個就是有關於我剛講那個少年隊能不能加強少年隊能量昨天部長有說少年隊跟學校機制但我了解是少年隊他就是一個少年隊的警員 |
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每個少年隊他就可以進入去關懷那些幫派少年甚至於關懷他那個少年所屬的幫派然後去幫派有壓制要求幫派叫那些學生在學校不要作亂 |
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我覺得這個會比較達到就是校園安全啊所以部長你昨天有說有在做但是我真的覺得做錯不夠所以能不能因為這個簽到跨部會了我請院長回答好不好院長這個我剛剛提到這個部分院長你願意支持嗎對其實少年隊跟學生的學校這一塊他的人力可以擴編而且可以常態化因為我們今天質詢的過程內政部沒來啦他實際上警政署的相關的少年隊可以來幫忙 |
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我會請教育部跟內政部再商量一下和少年隊的功能怎麼讓他們發揮。 |
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只是不願意把錢花在我們認為重要的事情上面啊。 |
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我想不是。最重要的就是說這個部會、跨部會之間來協調一下看看少年隊的功能怎麼樣來加強。那加強的方式怎麼樣是最好。我想這個部分是不是也...欸部長,這個部分是不是也請... |
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請部長好不好也是提一個研究的方案給我們好不好就是有關於學校跟少年隊怎麼樣更緊密的聯繫這一塊我跟你們補充一下因為在之前因為整個治安裡面警政署當時就是為了考量已經擴充有關少年隊自己這個相關的人數怎麼樣能夠更加的來支持學校因為時間有限我的了解就是不夠我剛剛已經跟你講真實狀況就是一個少年隊隊員他負責很多個學校所以變成例行性的公司 |
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他沒有辦法很深入的去關心這件事情如果你能力增加的話他絕對勢必對這個效果會更好好不好這是第二件事情第三件事情我還是非常強烈的建議就是國中要設校安人員一到兩位啦不知道這可以嗎 |
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我要先澄清一下,不是這個人沒有事做,我今天不是在委員會啦,我今天跟院長澄清一下,不是說這個人沒有事做,可是這個人未來在這個生態裡面,他其實很不榮幸。時間暫停一下,因為我是來總諮詢陳建元院長的,不是來諮詢部長的。沒問題請陳院長。可不可以請部長下去? |
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這樣部長請回沒有問題沒有關係啦他留著我來回答我來回答不是啦不是啦他一直插話就一部我很尊敬你啦好不好可是這時間因為是總執行不好意思我可以請你先下去他時間有暫停的啦我來回答好了院委員我時間幫你暫停那部長對不起委員請您抱對不起 |
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謝謝教育部謝謝委員你提的這三個問題其實教育部都有在考量那你關於說因為委員會為什麼今天講是因為昨天委員會部長是說他覺得國中不必要去設校安人員但我了解其實國中很需要校安人員 |
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這個部分也利用這個機會跟您講所以希望院長再跟部長說好不好這是國中的需求做通盤的這樣當的演繹而且很重要的就是說校安人員他扮演的角色是什麼當然嘛當然就是維護校園安全嘛再來我最後一個議題啦因為剛剛也被浪費很多時間剩3分鐘我趕快問一下因為之前院長在去年的時候包括我們現在的準總統賴清德 |
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前副總統都提過說我們現在要教育平權嘛也因為要教育平權的關係所以我們現在大學不管是公立私立也都免學雜費了嘛那高中的部分是私校私立大學三、三、三、對都補助啦有補助啦就大家都一樣嘛對不對就是為了要做到平權大家然後後來也擴及到高中嘛所以本來我們高中職在這個補助學費的部分是有排付條款後來排付條款也拿掉但現在有一個漏網之魚啦 |
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論壇之餘就是你如果是高中生私立高中生可是你是私立國中你直接直升上來的這群人他是被排除的我認為說他就是沒有做到教育平權那請問院長你知道這個事嗎我不太清楚那請部長上來講 |
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院長這是你的政策教育平權然後有一群漏網之魚基本上如果是高中執勉學會有一群漏網之魚喔他們是沒有補助學費的喔那我覺得給你30秒好不好部長 |
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這是在102年我們在討論高級中等教育法的時候立法院草野委員非常清楚激烈的討論當時在56條你那幾年幾年102年7月10號102年馬政府時代馬政府時代那那個剛剛講說對那但是這個概念好不然可以了我要講關鍵的我不是要插話齁 |
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我現在要表達一下齁 |
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我們現在要補助學費的是要教育平權,對吧?教育平權,院長,院長,院長,院長,是教育平權嘛,對不對?教育平權應該指的是說,不管你家裡面有沒有錢,不管你是出生於哪裡,不管你是怎麼樣入學,你只要是中華民國國民,你都應該是要平權嘛,這才是平權概念嘛。但我們現在,我們現行的做法是說,只要你是國中升高中是私立的,不好意思你沒有補助,誰叫你要直升?然後還有重讀也沒有補助喔。 |
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誰叫你要重讀那我想問說這有達到平權嗎沒有吧我想我想如果按照高等中學教育法這邊齁未具有中華民國國籍重讀及符合這個現在不是在講法條我現在講概念就是如果平權的話不應該有任何但書嘛你不能夠依入學方式來決定他能不能得到補助因為是平權所以我希望大家可以你們可以檢討這個事情 |
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謝謝葉委員原資的質詢。也謝謝陳院長的備詢。這一步特別辛苦。請坐。接下來我們請登記第4位張委員加進質詢。主席我想請陳院長。再請陳院長備詢。 |
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院長,最近發生了一件讓社會大家都為之髮指,非常難過的悲劇,就是凱凱的這個虐童事件。我不曉得你有沒有看到這個新聞?當然有,而且我也有在 |
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這一點就是本席想要提出的,院長中央跟地方不能夠互相推責。 |
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我是第一個道歉的趕快站出來非常佩服院長第一個站出來因為原本應該要守護凱凱的這個社會安全制度沒想到是因為這個社會安全制度介入才導致了這個悲劇這真的是值得檢討啊就是說不管是社工的身心靈不管是出洋制度等等包括說未來怎麼樣 |
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希望院長能夠落實您說的這些話。 |
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我想台台的這個事件確實是讓我們對於整個社會安全網怎麼樣再來精進都有很好的反省那未來中央地方跟委託的單位怎麼樣來做得更好比如說出洋的時候應該由地方政府來評估然後再找中繼的保姆的時候我們怎麼樣讓這個委託的機構做更好的條件的選擇 |
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以後訪視程序也要加強。 |
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這一個整個我有請我們的衛福部一定要在一個月內提出相關的改進措施。讓這個社會安全網可以接住每一個這些無助的孩子們。接下來本席就想要問有關於幼兒園評鑑這幾天也一個非常夯的新聞就是未來準公幼即將有上百間要退場那這一個新聞我不曉得院長有沒有看到 |
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有 我有看到 那這個部長也有跟我大概有說明就是根據立法院的預算中心評估報告裡面也有指出在112年的7月為止有47間幼兒園經評鑑缺失尚未改善然後呢遭行政處罰之後到目前為止喔國教署尚未對地方政府辦理這個幼兒園評鑑 |
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實地訪查或者是後設評鑑,那這一點希望教育部要盡快的來做到,因為到目前為止本席看了這個資料不曉得說評鑑訪查進度為何?您知道嗎?部長您知道嗎?幼兒園的評鑑? |
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我現在想要表達的就是說教育部不只是有規劃的責任你還有評鑑的責任你不能夠只當求評你知道嗎你不能夠只是去批判他你有必要當教練你有職責去指導他 |
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所以呢這個事情就是說如果只能靠地方政府各自努力這中間如果又發現其實凱凱的事件真的值得我們去省思就是說該開的檢討會議都沒有開才會發生這個事情那你幼兒園評鑑也是一樣啊 |
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委員這個詳細我們後續進行的進度我們在整理後再跟委員做一個說明就是說你們其實應該要能夠第一手掌握這個資訊就是說其實幼兒園我想要先請問一下院長你有孫子嗎?有喔,都很大了,都已經成年了 |
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我有朋友有告訴我 |
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是不是?你應該非常清楚說要找到一間好的幼兒園然後又有位子非常的難那現在馬上可能今年就有上百家的准公幼要退場你知道這影響的家庭跟影響的層面有多廣嗎? |
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這個我也跟委員報告因為這個是一個地方政府他可能因為我們跟第三期我要講這個很關鍵第三期的這個合作的企業條件目前都是因為在收集完資料以及3月底才會確定這沒有所謂現在已經有幾百家多少的幼兒園他是不合規範的 |
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謝謝部長。就是說是不是在草案底定之前能夠請部長邀集這些准公幼進行一個討論,把他們的心聲也講出來,雙向溝通才能夠落實,不只是這些准公幼能夠好好的照顧孩子,也解除家長的焦慮。你知道有多少家長打電話到我們服務處來去表達說他很焦慮說那他孩子怎麼辦? |
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⋯⋯ |
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我跟先委員報告一下,這幾個二、三月份因為大家都很關注,也對幼兒園的教保服務品質跟行政管理,像孽兒等等的這些其實都很關注,所以國教署在二、三月密集的討論目前我看到的建議是說,建議他們轉學,第一轉學要轉去哪裡,第二我想問你,你知不知道幼兒 |
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有分離焦慮我想你可能沒辦法體會說有人好不容易去適應了一個場所之後你讓他轉學他要再一次的面臨不熟悉的環境然後會恐懼這個分離焦慮是很多爸媽的噩夢而且呢好不容易父母親家長跟園區跟這個可能 |
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我一樣最短時間因為在前兩天教育部也看到這些新聞即使的去做澄清也做說明了 |
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我再講一下好了。這個轉換過程當中有一個最大的原則會確保家長的權益。 |
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本席還有一個建議就是我看到一個缺點就是這個草案是提高公幼標準沒錯針對不當管教之處有特別罰處罰的條款 |
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我覺得要提高公幼的這個品質我非常贊同非常好但是你怎麼會只有處罰純公幼你其他的公幼你其他的這個公共幼兒園公共化幼兒園還有非營利幼兒園私立幼兒園都沒有一體適用欸 |
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那所以意思說你只要滾準公用這個我覺得非常的奇怪應該是要一視同仁的嚴格審查才對啊應該用相同的標準但目前不是目前現在 |
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本來就是一個一致的嚴格要求功利非營利的這一部分他的要求嚴格還勝過於對勢力那委員我剛才也先講你應該要一體適用才對啊怎麼會去獨私立學校的一體嚴格要求他獨私立學校就不是我們國家的小孩嗎你也應該要一體適用公私立你都應該要我現在建議我也給院長跟部長建議就是說 |
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這些影響受影響的家長跟孩子要怎麼照顧然後一定要提出方案來如果沒有辦法兼顧的話請部長一定要考量說是否太倉促實施了這件事情是不是應該更認真的然後審慎的考慮之後再實施 |
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因為你三月你突然丟出來我告訴你炸鍋了全部的家長他下學期小孩要去哪裡你知道會影響多少個家庭嗎?因為我還有好幾個問題你快 |
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第一個一定會確保這一些已經在原所就讀孩子跟家長的權益,包含他的負擔,這是配套裡面最重要的方向,也是要讓家長安心,當然是,而且規劃就是這樣。第二個就是說因為在這幾個的條件裡面,我們 |
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特別拜託部長一定要落實監督配套 |
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然後讓這個事情能夠讓所有的家長安心而且這些幼兒是最無助的最需要我們去守護的千萬不要讓他們因為這個政策的改變受到波及那接下來我想要問有關於這個新北校園割喉案發生其實我們發現說這個少年剛從這個校官所收容回來那其實校官所的矯正效果其實非常有限所以現在呢 |
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大家都在討論說是不是能夠有一個中介教育基地讓他們能夠在那裡受到更好的心理輔導跟行為輔導。 |
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是,委員,我們就是朝這樣的方向在跟,包含跟司法院,其實有很密切跨院的協商,就會在3月開始讓縣市跟我們一起協力,5月會設置這個中介的基地,就是在否、復選少年跟司法少年當中,尤其有可能被...這個一定要盡速的去實施。對,沒有,其中就是這樣。 |
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我也想有一個問題想要請教院長就是強化校園安全跟教師管理權這件事情假設今天陳院長是陳老師A同學來跟你檢舉說B同學的包包裡有一支彈簧刀你可以在這裡告訴我說你的SOP是什麼嗎可以示範給全國老師知道說陳老師如果接到這個 |
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這個訊息之後你應該怎麼做?因為一個SOP一定要業務單位會比較清楚啦現在建立的就是一個SOP你先不要回答嘛我要問院長啊院長、老師、陳老師你要收他書包嗎? |
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現在的SOP是怎麼樣我不是很清楚,說實在話我不是很清楚,但是如果說這一個孩子是有比較特別的孩子高關懷的孩子的話那我會用更謹慎的方式來處理 |
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那我會來考慮看看怎麼樣來瞭解他是在...是,這就是所有老師現在面對的你知道因為沒有SOP他不知道說我要收他的書包嗎?甚至於說如果被學生攻擊怎麼辦? |
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如果說他收了他書包他家長告他怎麼辦老師也很無助耶他不知道怎麼做過去校園裡面是有教官在維護校園安全甚至導正行為但是中央政府政策民進黨的政策就是要這個教官退出校園那現在面對這些校園安全甚至行為偏差的孩子沒有人可以去矯正他我知道說教育部提出了部長是不是叫做學務創新人力是不是有這個 |
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那個是因為教官離退後會增加一點二倍的人力是就是說學務創新人力是目的是要取代教官的因為他本來就要補強這個創新人力他包含校園安全包含心理輔導的專業都可以讓學校來徵聘是但是呢這個是不是每一個學校都需要 |
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因為高中以下從來沒有教官嗎? |
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每一個高中都需要,可是本席看到的是一個不公平,為什麼?教育部訂定了高級中學學務創新人力的要點,他明定補助的對象只有國立跟全國私立高級中學限力的高中不予補助。 |
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這不是很匪夷所思嗎?你中央政策你要欠服買單然後這樣子這財務比較狀況不好的現實政府會增加負擔?不會增加,原來的不管公立國立他的人事費的費用就是在原來的教官的薪水 |
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希望部長能夠一視同仁,能夠去支持一下這個學務創新人才。最後我想要問一點,現在行政院在推動那個偏鄉學校精進午餐方案,每餐 |
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﹚ |
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如果相較於臺北我們整個雲林縣都是偏遠學校啊這上面的這個回答是說因為山區跟非市區的一般學校相對弱勢午餐費益相對減低所以不需要就是不能夠你不補助他我覺得這也很扯欸 |
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謝謝張委員嘉峻的質詢謝謝陳院長備詢接下來登記第5號范雲委員 |
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致質詢以書面提出。請行政院書面答覆並列入記錄刊登公報。在接下來我們請登記第6號陳委員秀寶質詢。謝謝主席。 |
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聶主席請行政院長、陳建仁院長以及潘文忠部長請陳院長教育部備詢周委員長 |
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議長好部長好首先我在這邊要先代表秀堡選區的鄉親們先感謝院長現在已經正式核定美港公路高加化秀堡從第10屆上任以來一直不斷的追蹤協調爭取經過一個借勤的努力 |
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那很感謝院長的支持給鄉親一條安全回家的路那在這之前雖然也發生幾件遺憾的事件但我們痛定思痛我們盡快的來改善我們盡快來對這個部分來處理那這個後續呢我也會持續的來追蹤這個進度也希望院長這邊的能夠督促交通部盡快的辦理相關的程序 |
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我很佩服委員關心地方的交通建設真的是民眾的福氣謝謝院長本席在立法院從上個屆起到現在一直都教育委員會我也一直致力的在關心孩子們的教育以及我們學習的環境那在這邊呢我先跟院長跟部長這邊請教 |
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﹗ |
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但是隨著時間呢因為很多選區的學校像我反映他們的這些活動中心陸續的都會有漏水、地瓶破損還有牆面裂開的這樣的狀況已經大概都借使用的期限了。 |
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﹏﹏﹏ |
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這個議題其實不管是說我在委員會還是說部長您來的時候其實我都跟你討論過那學校呢因為每次跟地方的教育局處反映他們都說經費比較拮据沒有辦法支應所以學校都只能期望教育部這邊來協助那在經費有著落之前我們的孩子就必須一直在這樣子要持續修善的這樣的空間裡面活動只能這樣子繼續使用覺得讓人家覺得也很不捨也很心疼 |
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所以這個部分呢我希望說其實正確的事情我們該做的事情我們不分屆期我們還是要一起努力所以在這邊我希望說透過今天的這種質詢在拜託部長跟拜託院長來關心就是說希望我們教育部能夠全面的盤點各縣市需要修繕的這些活動中心並且依照這個急迫性來做排序 |
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第二個部分呢我希望教育部可以爭取專案的經費來或者是要輔導我們地方政府優先修繕比較受損嚴重的這些建築物這個部分請部長這邊能夠請學校就是我們全面的來盤點學校這些需求 |
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好,謝謝委員,我想委員也了解,因為很關心教育,所以這幾年我要謝謝我們行政院院長這邊,其實都好幾個專案,不管是操場,尤其老舊校舍應該是最優先,整整花了快500億,那現在委員所提到的這些活動中心等,如果 |
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接下來要請教院長及部長目前短影很盛行,院長您看過短影嗎?有 |
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對於通常他時間很短大概30秒到40秒不會超過一分鐘時間很短那內容很簡單很浮誇甚至有些情境是很撒狗血的那最有名就是現在比較常使用的像抖音小紅書都很熱門 |
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那為什麼短影音很盛行?其實因為很省時間。 |
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⋯⋯ |
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本席今天在這邊沒有要跟院長跟部長來討論說禁止的這個問題因為不管你是禁止不禁止其實我們現在的國中生、高中生甚至小學生他們使用短影音已經都是他們的生活日常那本席在這邊想要討論就是說短影音帶給我們孩子的影響以及我們從教育端如何來協助 |
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委員長您看一下其實在這個投影片上面有寫媒體的報導其實還有專家的提醒其實提出的問題點都非常的一致包括過度的使用短影音會降低注意力影響自制力還有它其實內容教育價值很有限很容易上癮而且這個低質量的內容也還有一些隱私的問題 |
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所以其實這些影響其實我們大人來聽都覺得應該還好但何況是這些還沒有成熟的孩子他們不理解不了解說這樣子的短影音的使用對他們可能會造成怎樣一個很大的影響那而且還有一個部分這些短影音很多使用的是簡體中文 |
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我們的孩子長期大量的觀看這些簡體中文的這短影音的時候其實將來也會弱化孩子對於繁體中文的認知那院長及部長你們到目前面對這樣子的狀況你們有什麼方式要來影音有什麼措施規劃嗎? |
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我看那個委員你這個牌子寫得很好就是說我們需要來教導孩子判斷的能力然後呢任何的短語音我不敢說都是不好有好有壞的那怎麼樣去做判斷然後老師要 |
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院長您講出了本席要提醒的就是說我們要讓孩子瞭解自己看到的是什麼也要協助教師來增加相關的知能本席在這邊要給幾個建議希望 |
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議員： |
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教學的這些老師們應該要進行了解如果我們只是告訴孩子說不要看、不能看這是效益很低的方式那我們透過了解教學現場的狀況那我們做出相關的規劃及整理而且要透過孩子可以理解可以接受的方式來辦理第二個希望說我們要教育孩子讓孩子知道自己看的是什麼進而來判斷自己是不是需要這樣子的訊息 |
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只要瞭解才能進一步的判斷那從剛剛的建議我們讓孩子知道自己看的是什麼接觸到的是什麼孩子才能夠來有這樣的依據來判斷自己需不需要這樣的訊息教育之所以重要就是我們希望透過教育來培養孩子獨立的判斷瞭解自己的原則那才能讓孩子在 |
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﹚三、4、5、6﹚ |
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教師增能課程的可能性,短影音的影響是很長期而且很深遠的。那教育部也應該要持續的長期的來收集教學現場的狀況,並且納入教師增能的課程。 |
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有教師的權利協助來提供這樣的訊息給教育部,你們才能夠正確地做出一個可以妥善處理的規劃,而且必須要我們教育部的支持。 |
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部長您覺得? |
| transcript.whisperx[336].start |
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謝謝委員很好的這樣的一個建議那我跟委員報告因為我們推進進中小學的數位計劃其實當中對於師資培訓是一個非常幾乎是全面性這當中因為資訊素養會是一個關鍵委員關心的這個短影音還有委員之前也關心網路霸凌甚至有詐騙等等的這一些都是在我們網路資訊素養裡面非常重要的內容 |
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那現在委員有提到一個真的要幫助老師我們都能夠有一些教案因為有些教案來給老師進行這方面的學生的指導會是更具體的所以我們除了會持續的增能老師的增能之外我想再增加更多因為這個變化非常的快我們也希望在這上面隨時能夠支持老師在這上面在指導學生的時候能夠有一個更好的這樣的一個教程 |
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接下來是 |
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接下來是本期一直很關心的城市語言教育的這個規劃那目前我們對城市語言教育的討論都非常的熱烈那房間甚至已經有城市語言的補習班暫停一下時間暫停時間可以了 |
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甚至有私立的國中、國小把扎實的城市語言教育列為他們招生的一個宣傳。院長請問您是不是同意接觸語言城市的教育是越早越好? |
| transcript.whisperx[341].start |
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當然是了。我也很早,我的孩子,孫子們他們學得比較早。也很早就讓他有這樣子的機會來接受這個教育。那蘋果公司的執行長庫克有提到,其實他認為說城市語言教育從小就應該開始。甚至表示說城市語言是世界唯一的通用語言。這個部分請問院長跟部長您同意嗎?我同意。 |
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其實城市語言向下延伸也是本席一直十分關心的項目也是我的政見之一那我在這邊要著重的是實務面的運用包含希望有明確的目標以及協助教師實際的作為那我們的新課綱是有納入城市語言教育這個部分是不是部長這邊先簡要的說明一下 |
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謝謝委員,因為之前我們其實在高校部分,各個不管其他領域,城市、語言的這些學習是各個學校都全面的推開。那委員在提到的往下扎根,這是一個很重要的延伸。所以在12年國教課綱裡面,那麼國中、高中都有科技領域,這當中裡面,因為這是學生不定必修的課程, |
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⋯⋯ |
| transcript.whisperx[345].start |
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我在這邊大概有搜尋了一些國際間城市語言教育的例子希望針對可以加強的部分提出來跟院長跟部長討論 |
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| transcript.whisperx[346].text |
韓國國中課程 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].start |
10121.004 |
| transcript.whisperx[347].end |
10139.554 |
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在沙尼亞的部分是將城市語言教育納入國小的課程規劃但是你看一下這幾個國家他們都是很明確的目標有明確的師資而且有全國一致式的教材規劃跟我們國內的這個方向不太一樣我發現說我們教育部規劃出來的方向就是一個大方向 |
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並沒有很明確的規劃跟目標覺得這樣子好像有點不足因為我們希望我們孩子是可以確實的有一些目標來完成例如說我們可以確實完成編碼等等的訓練讓在每一個期程每一個學期教育的一個段落都是有一個目標來達成 |
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| transcript.whisperx[349].text |
﹏﹏ |
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委員,國高中是不定課程,既有課程也一定要有師資啦。那小學我剛才跟委員補充報告,當時課綱雖然沒有定到科技領域,但是教育部其實是請國教院提出了這個。那師資的這部分還有他們的內容,我想這部分謝謝委員這邊再提醒,我想我會再請他們再盤一下。 |
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還要強調就是未來城市語言教育向下延伸教育部要制定明確的目標也要著手規劃統一的教材還有對各縣市他們自己對城市語言教育的規劃 |
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謝謝。謝謝陳委員秀寶的質詢。也謝謝陳院長的備詢。接下來我們請登記第7號林委員倩怡質詢。謝謝主席。請陳院長 |
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| transcript.whisperx[353].end |
10264.137 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].text |
再請行政院陳院長備詢。 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].start |
10270.439 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].end |
10296.434 |
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院長辛苦了您好首先我要感謝院長在我就職的時候送了我一塊匾額上面寫著明知喉舌那很高興今天有這個機會在這邊親自跟您感謝那也因為這個匾額我想今天就在這邊跟院長您這邊來探討一下希望我們能夠一起成就一些為民造福的案子好不好好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].start |
10298.448 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].end |
10306.226 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].text |
首先我想跟院長分享一下一則影片。我可能做個旁白來介紹一下。 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[356].end |
10328.108 |
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這是一場帆船比賽假設你是為了前面這艘船在加油你看到這個景象經過了左邊那艘船不知道您的心情會如何這個是在高雄的蓮池潭在12節風到14節風的颱風前的時間在那邊練習這個是宜蘭豆腐夾 |
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| transcript.whisperx[357].end |
10355.731 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].text |
一位選手正教著剛學船沒多久的主持者這是在屏東東港的大鵬灣這艘船正要駛出碼頭要航向大海也成功了 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].start |
10357.342 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].end |
10363.706 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].text |
這是我們國家重要的棟樑,雖然它們都很小,但是它們的技術也都很棒。 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].start |
10375.876 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].end |
10401.836 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].text |
非常高興今天在這邊跟部長已經上來的部長您要不要跟院長分享一下故事裡面的這位主角,您還記得嗎?我記得,我一直很敬佩您委員文武雙全我剛才跟你們報告委員是帆船的很好的一個選手也差點進軍亞奧運但是我還是一直希望能夠投入這樣子的一個項目當中 |
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所以我想我們先前已經提過了這個有關於帆船的事項那我相信竹夢是很多人在不同的年齡層都還是會一直追求的那剛才那樣子的一個項目呢我想是很多小朋友、青少年那甚至壯年人或者是一些自己覺得不老的長輩會一直追求的夢想那今天我想期待院長能夠帶著我們一起來追逐這個夢想 |
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那但是呢所以院長我跟我們就那些我為他們喉舌的人有一個奧運夢那在追求卓越永不放棄的過程當中我們能夠造就生命中非常重要的感動所以呢當你在這個過程當中一直受到非 |
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10464.404 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].text |
所以呢﹖ |
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10472.606 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].end |
10493.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].text |
雖然故事的主角是我,我從2020年學了帆船,我就愛上這項活動。當時我就有一個夢想,希望能夠參加2025年的壯年運動賽,不是2025,當時2022、3年。結果我就從高雄一路流浪到台北,然後再流浪到宜蘭,然後台東,到屏東大鵬灣,那時候暫時的落腳了。 |
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10495.942 |
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10522.701 |
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但是我的流浪一直還沒有停止在2021年因為我們疫情我等不到兩針所以我就只好繼續等到了2022年呢我只好流浪到西班牙開始好好的找教練為什麼我一直流浪呢因為我找不到教練教我當然這個故事很長但是好不容易我覺得我可以去參加世界賽了那我去年就報了一個在澳洲的壯年賽那他們本來也接受我了 |
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結果呢後來我就收到一個本國的通知當時中華民國只有一個人報名那我也期待這樣子的分享能夠告訴這個帆船機演中華民國有這樣一個比賽那2025年請大家一起來參與結果我出不去 |
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到最後我只好在立法院考案所以部長也知道我在2月1號應該在澳洲的水域上結果我行走在立法院的紅毯上這是我的際遇但是這都過去世了我想跟院長這邊來探討幾件事那我親身的際遇我期待一起追夢的人能夠少一些障礙所以呢 |
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既然這事情已經過了我們就直接先往未來看所以我們2025年雙北要辦壯年賽部長可不可以協助大家在壯年賽有機會得牌 |
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根文報告,因為這也是我們國內難得爭取到的一個世界的大賽,而且是壯年。我想這對於剛才吳委員,吳春成委員吧,他一直在講壯世代,那我想壯世代有很多事情要做,我們都期待能夠追求人生或許過去遺憾的夢,那我們對未來有追求。 |
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10601.252 |
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| transcript.whisperx[369].text |
所以接下來我們來看一下下面一個 |
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10636.506 |
| transcript.whisperx[370].text |
那這個是女足那我在3月5號質詢的時候我們的中華籃球被罵的要命然後女足呢也在兩週前出現了一些新聞好但是我們講所有事情都往前看我們先談目標所以女足 |
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是一個非常有潛力我3月5日有跟部長這邊來交換一些意見所以我們有沒有可能就像剛才我前面陳委員講的定定目標所以我們可不可以在今年女族團目前只有6隊中華女族我們可不可以增加到8隊那教育部這邊其實是可以針對縣市政府來補助讓縣市政府的教育局有機會在學校成立這樣子的隊伍可以嗎 |
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10661.689 |
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10689.776 |
| transcript.whisperx[372].text |
主求推動一直是現在我們中央政府的重點政策。委員提到的就是說因為我們本來是從小學開始有很多隊擴充有這個基礎才有機會再往上所以假設在今年能夠成立到8隊的話我們就投注在學校嗎?因為這個也要拜託他們來組合起來組合起來組合因為現在團體運動對我們的其他幾個類型我們大概都朝方向在在整個籃球也好或 |
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10691.157 |
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| transcript.whisperx[373].text |
對我們國力其實是有很重要的一個影響所以在2025年我們就明年增加到10對從這10對當中我相信我們有機會在2026年踢進世界盃因為院長您知不知道我們在上一屆女足的世界盃就差一球就進入了世界盃 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].start |
10708.554 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].end |
10709.095 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].text |
中華民國的許多單項協會 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].start |
10728.376 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].end |
10754.244 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].text |
我期待教育部這邊能夠去做一些檢視跟處理單項協會扮演著推動運動跟提名國手的關鍵角色那有的時候我們不懂為什麼單項協會不讓我們去比賽另外雖然單項協會是人民團體法所規範我們也不期待政治介入太多但是很重要的是那他一個選訓的公平機制是不是應該要被監督被建立 |
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10780.717 |
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好所以這個部分我希望教育部能夠稍微了解一下各單項協會目前的運作那有沒有存在一些運作失靈的狀況或是濫用權力的狀況那接下來所以我的訴求是請體育署監督單項協會的選手在選訓跟提名的時候能夠盡量公平那在監督上在預算如果 |
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| transcript.whisperx[377].end |
10782.639 |
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這一點。 |
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謝謝委員我想對於選訓出不管哪一個類型最優的選手來代表臺灣出賽這一定是最大的目標那確實在過往我們也追溯部分選手有陳情說在他們選擇的選訓的過程就選拔的過程當中有一些選手也有所疑惑這個部分這部分我也有請體育署政署長務必 |
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我們現在有發現這些有不符合的前景,我想基於這個監督跟在經費上的協助的這樣的部分我們一起做要求。 |
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所以呢本席對體育非常的期待那要做這樣子的事情我想體育署必須要獲得很大的支持所以我在這邊急呼請行政院這邊來演繹將體育署升格成運動發展部那我相信以大家現在投入運動的量能這樣子的一個部會應該可以為我們的未來的運動產業還有全國喜愛運動的人得到很多的支持 |
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目前我跟委員報告一下就是說專案政府的組織法裡面特別是行政院的組織法裡面它有一級機關二級機關三級機關的數目的限制那目前這一個部會的限制部會的數目是已經用滿了所以如果我們要來設立這一個運動發展部的話我們還要需要再研議怎麼樣在部會之間還要做相關的調整 |
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好的那謝謝院長至少我們研議然後往前走搞不好這樣子的夢想也有可能成真好謝謝那接下來的這個部分這也是我先前有跟會裡面對不起部裡面在討論的也就是可不可以請部裡面取消私立學校在拼約上對離職教師的罰款首先在國立大學沒有這樣子的事情 |
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私立大學雖然部裡面在去年的5月18號送了一張函到各校叫大家不要做這個約定上沒有的事情但是各校還是自行歧視那尤其是我們先不要跟私校退場來講但是這個私立大學的老師離開學校被這樣子罰款甚至有的時候罰到非常的多那幾乎 |
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三個月半年的錢就沒有了這點是實在是很不公平是不是可以請這個部裡面取消私立學校在聘約上對離職教師的罰款 |
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那這點是否請部長因為這個都會有訂約啦我現在剛才委員所提到是教育部在112年有做過一個盤整如果說你對於有關在契約上已經是很不合理甚至超越法規的這一些我們在那一波裡面是要求全面的取消那委員所提到這個訂約跟執行的這一方面我想教育部可以再深入的來 |
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跟這些相關的學校我們在做一些討論當然如果我上次也跟委員報告因為我很關切這個議題因為最近也確實有部分的私校因為經營少子化的問題他們有可能被列為專輔或甚至退場這個是有跟私校退場的對像這一些也不能苛責於老師說離職像這個我上次也跟委員報告說委員如果讓我們知道說有些學校我有跟部裡面在做討論但是這是一個通案的問題 |
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那我這邊當然有一些建議所以在 |
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有關於私校這個問題的解方。剛才我們談到了私立學校,然後還有談到要退場的學校。那本席來自嘉義,我在嘉義教書。我也很期待這個我做完公共事務之後我還能夠回到學校。所以 |
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現在這個私校退場機制是不是應該再重新全面檢討因為在這幾年好多的私校都不見了那就像嘉義縣有很多地方整個在地人才的培育因為私校的不見而空洞化那我想教育部應該不樂見這種城鄉差距影響到這麼大 |
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第二個還有私校在退場的過程當中讓我們不容許在用地上還有許多的這個機制裡面被暗渡成倉那最後我要疾呼的是請公益的對待私立學校的老師剛才我聽到張委員張家俊委員也這麼提到請不要把公立學校跟私立學校這麼大的差距不平等的對待好不好 |
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好,我先從你第三部分說明齁,那個這個有關失效包含在調薪上齁,過往。沒關係啦,這個部分我知道你政府會補助期程,原因也就是要公平的。是的,是的,那你看補助了那麼多,結果他竟然還會對這個老師罰款,然後還有這個退場期制,目前我們大家一直在退場,到最後會變成的情況就是只剩下北部的學校。 |
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然後只剩下都會型的學校那本席來自的這個臺東我是不知道院長知不知道本席是臺東成功鎮的阿美族人對所以那東部還有南部基本上都空洞化好那我知道部裡面也在做努力那是不是這個部分我們也能夠有院長的一個承諾來讓重新檢討我們私校退場條例然後讓私立學校有更多的空間 |
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我想私立學校退場確實是要有滾動式的檢討相關的方案,這是需要的。但是在這樣的一個退場的過程當中,對於老師的權益的保障,還有學生的權益的保障也是相當的重要。是的,我相信院長這樣子的…不能全市暗度成章,這個更是應該要執行。 |
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因為這樣回應我就帶了一些希望所以最後我期待就為原住民多講一些話我們現在投入了很多錢在補助外國的人來台灣做產業的一個交流那我期待我們原住民 |
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接下來我們請登記第8號鄭委員鄭前發言 |
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主席好,我想請一下陳院長請陳院長備詢 |
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院長好這是520之前最後一次跟您質詢我想說先請教一下桃竹苗大細股計畫是不是已經成為我們國家重大建設計畫我們已經合併了這個計畫那確實這是對我們來講是要整體的是桃竹苗的這個產業已經是國家重大建設計畫了嗎 |
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因為我看這個計畫當中還有幾個指標大概4年要達到6兆就是GDP的提升然後要創造14萬人的工作就業機會然後增加7個科學園區52個產業園區然後增加42,250個 |
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社宅,這幾個數字應該沒有錯嘛。是。OK,我想特別問一下就是說,因為在新竹這邊的時候,我們是不是針對竹科XGD第二期,跟整個大新竹輕軌是不是都有納入整個這個桃竹苗大幸福計畫裡面? |
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跟委員報告就我所知應該是有盤點有納入計劃那我想問一下因為之前竹科X第一期的時候有三棟大樓目前進度如何然後國科會目前針對就是竹科X計劃第二期要納入整個桃竹貓大細股計劃裡面然後進度如何然後什麼時候可以提報行政院核定國家重大 |
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跟委員報告X基地的第一棟大樓應該快要完工。第二棟、第三棟呢?正在準備當中。按照原來的規劃。大概什麼時候可以把竹科X第二期提報到行政院來? |
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什麼時候我們那個XGD應該原來就已經有第二期一二三棟本來就爆了第二期竹克S計畫第二期不是第二棟那個是要等整個那個對所以因為現在 |
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國科院在評估,我要問時間什麼時候可以送到行政院,針對這個部分,因為它是整個桃竹棚大戲舞計畫的一部分嘛,你剛剛有提到嗎?他們還在規劃當中。具體進度到時候跟本席特別做一個報告。 |
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那接下來我特別要提到就是有關於那個竹科回饋金補助地方建設經費的處理原則這個部分有簽名是0.3的一個標準嘛對不對那因為目前為止按照112年的一個狀態的時候就正常來說他應該以竹科來說 |
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我講．對 |
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應該不是千分之0.3千分之0.3是規定千分之0.3是上限按照科學園區管理局補助地方政府建設經費處理原則 |
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﹗ |
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按照辦法他是補千分之零點三也就是萬分之三啦。對千分之零點三嘛對就是萬分之三的意思是是是那是最高上限啦是是是最得嘛所以本席希望能夠增加因為目前大概只增到上限的兩成左右而已好不好是那能不能增加我想需要國科會還有那個園區呢他們要做整個盤點經費的盤點 |
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我跟委員報告事實上那個交通跟環境,交通在其實比較大的...我希望我們可以來研議看看,但是因為... |
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理解,理解,所以我針對新竹這邊,因為大概只佔兩成,就是得補助金額的兩成而已,我們希望能夠提高。接下來部分我想特別問一個有關於代理教師完整聘期差額補助的問題,因為去年教育部曾經有修訂高級中等以下學校兼任代課及代理教師聘任辦法,那麼從去年8月1號開始給予補助, |
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只是補助了8月份50%的預算,院長你知道這個事情嗎?我知道,這裡我們是列入一般性補助款的設算當中。所以本席要特別提到的狀態,你們有沒有看各縣市 |
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總共需要補助多少差額?你們有沒有一個統計數字?我跟委員報告話,因為這個跟限制當時就協調好的,就是說開始啟動由中央補助二分之一啦,然後後續因為他是常態性的一個月而已嘛,因為這邊我要特別提一下 |
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因為目前以各地方政府若是有一些富有的縣市也許問題不大那如果財務狀況沒有那麼好大家可能就會覺得很吃緊比如說以新竹市來講它大概要增加的預算叫多一點多億那以這樣的一個狀態的時候我們就會排擠到其他部分所以是不是可以請院長這邊就指示然後對於這個差額補助的部分能夠提高然後給各縣市政府有比較好的一個 |
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跟委員報告,剛才院長也特別跟委員這邊有說明,就是說第一年因為都是很及時,所以用二分之一補助,那後續一、三,因為這是常態的費用,所以會列為行政院補助的指定項目的設算。 |
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所以我們希望這個部分的時候能夠把這個差額補助把它持續的長期把它補助下去所以以後每一年都會補助地方政府這個差額補助把它補上去嘛對不對因為行政院的一般補助是每年都有而且設定、設算後它就是一個常態性就下去之後他們再去安排就沒有特別這個專項去補助嘛所以我們希望這個部分能夠 |
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﹚二、3月15日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。﹚完整會議 |
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打到4.49%那針對營養午餐這個部分我知道過去幾年有幾次補助可是因為這兩年來整個物價上漲得太高所以物價漲成這個情況的時候針對營養午餐的補助是不是能夠加碼 |
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委員長這邊是不是能夠允諾,能夠加滿營養午餐補助?因為這比較細,而且這個補貼的方式有不同,那這個教育部這邊先簡單說明一下。委員這邊所列的,因為過去午餐的這部分,中央協助的部分就是在張Q食材,剛才委員提到的,我們之前6塊提到10塊。 |
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這是普遍喔,只要學生,不管他是分在...就是因為這兩年物價漲太多,因為食材漲到尤其翻掉了,就是民生,就是大家地方院生在道,所以我們希望能夠對營養午餐的補助,能夠在予以特別的一個...這部分是不是油漿部來跟農業部我們在做,因為這些都是上Q食材了。好,那應該... |
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| transcript.whisperx[420].text |
這句英文您可不可以唸一下?知不知道這意思?就說了certificate |
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for 英文菜 is clearly a fake,and the UCL-1 is almost certainly a fake。院長知不知道這意思?我當然知道,但是我不曉得這一句話的正確性是怎麼樣。這句話是從哪裡來的你知道嗎?我們再往下看。這句話是在上一頁。這句話的時候是倫敦政經學院學術諮詢服務經理 |
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| transcript.whisperx[422].end |
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還有倫敦政經學院博士生學院副院長還有倫敦政經學院媒體關係經理他們三個人在討論的一個內容那為什麼會有這樣的一個討論呢是因為有三個美國的公民在英國告了這件事情 |
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| transcript.whisperx[423].end |
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那麼法院英國的法院行政法院英國的行政法院那麼他們就在英國行政法院裡面依據英國自由資訊法英國資訊委員會還有行政法院所取得的官方文件裡面的內容所以很清楚是這樣的一個情況那麼他這裡面也特別提到了就是 |
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蔡英文她的一個博士的證書還有UCL所提供出來的一些資料其實是fake的一個狀態是不實的一個狀態那針對這個部分本席想要問的其實是我們找了很多之前的資料針對蔡英文總統她過去所提出的畢業時間有四個不同的版本 |
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國是論文有6個不同的版本都很清楚的提供出來。那麼尤其是目前我們國家圖書館裡面的蔡英文總統的論文,她的名字、名稱跟當時申請政大的論文名稱是不一樣的。 |
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對於這樣的部分是不是會涉及到有偽造文書的問題?會不會針對這部分會有變成蔡英文總統詐欺取得政大教職的問題,院長? |
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關於這個問題的話我沒有辦法這是個案的問題我在這裡不方便做回答但是很重要的如果有相關的事實我相信法院應該宣判的或者是應該要調查的應該要去調查 |
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五二零之後蔡英文總統下任之後是不是有回到國立大學裡面的計畫? |
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我想這種假設性的問題而且是個人的問題在這裡質詢我沒有辦法回答。 |
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蔡總統歷屆在 |
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﹚發言委員﹚ |
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嚴重的國﹑對機密的狀態那這個部分我想說在這邊談這個東西因為剛剛院長也有特別提到在這邊談蔡院長的落門不一定適合雖然去年院長曾經回應我說就是落門事件確實是一個可受公平的事情我去年3月份在這邊問你的時候你有特別回應這個部分 |
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委員．一個 |
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從蔡總統他當這一個教授等等審查,剛才講過都有完全的審查的過程。我們要尊重這一個學校的教評會所做的方法。今天已經這樣子,一波衝突了任據來講,我覺得這個不合理啊。 |
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我希望我希望在之後學校對於這樣子的事情能夠有更好的一個立場我接下來我要問的是另外一件事情 院長陳耀祥ACC的主委他 |
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之前就表示他7月底之後他就要回學校他就要回學校那麼他在NCC主委任內的時候有三大案引起非常非常多的爭議包括中天案包括淨電時案包括中佳案 |
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這三個案子都有很多的一個爭議,也引起了很多國人對於NCC的不信任。那麼在這個情況之下的時候呢,我們看了齁,我們列舉了它的十大爭議項目,十大爭議事項,洋洋灑灑。 |
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那麼整個民間對他的反應也是一面倒的,覺得不太適任。很多民眾包括臺灣民意基金會跟印尼友好的基金會對於這個部分要導致陳耀祥,他也導致了ECC。所以我們認為他回到學校裡面去是不是會帶壞大牌的大廚。我們希望臺北大學能夠 |
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謝謝鄭委員鄭捷執行也謝謝成員長的備詢接下來登記第9號張委員亞林質詢以書面提出請行政院書面答覆並列入記錄刊登公報在接下來我們請登記第10號王委員美會質詢 |
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主席、咱家院長。好,再請陳院長備詢。王委員院長平安。平安平安。院長,在這段時間,我感受你對自己的溫暖和對我奧義的溫暖。在政會期的時候,你去告自己的時候,讓我說一次。 |
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委員長,我來自嘉義市。嘉義市市長是國民黨的。因為在地方的服務 |
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市長的服務也沒有分什麼動作,尤其我委員也沒有分什麼動作,所以在早上看到我們選報臺資電要在家裡關,說實在,我非常感動。 |
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因為在隔離市也好、隔離館也好﹐可以帶動給隔離館市的反應﹐我相信院長非常會了解。在這裏面有機我們的配套的問題﹐交通的問題﹐大的問題、教育的問題﹐ |
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尤其本市委員先跟你探討溝通,因為等未來﹐對嘉義市的溝通來說﹐大家都希望可以帶動嘉義縣市的溝通,尤其過去的作體嘉義縣的態度﹐不管是觀光客還是嘉義﹐ |
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委員長 |
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拜託我們的交通希望要趕緊的能讓嘉義有一個交通清潔。無論是嘉義縣市還是交通部會都需要去協助,地方的需要。您是嘉嘉義市的執行,嘉義縣和中央,我們做回來趕緊的交通做好。 |
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委員長,本來跟你講差不多中間要三分鐘,你認為加紀池的這條交通是不是非常重要來?加紀池和加紀官的親國為臺北 |
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委員長 |
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加以捷運南線可行性的研究評估。所以說這個研究可行性...因為人家在這裡,譬如說假日期的評估當中有困難,是不是可以合作跟假日期我們做回來處理? |
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我要向委員報告,這個第2次的可信性評估是我們高通部有1500萬的經濟支出。我知道,這我清楚,在第2次是真有。我的意思是說,他如果沒有專業,還是說有遇到什麼困難的時候,拜託院長給我們教育。 |
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我認為我們要主動啦! |
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拜託你,你如果有什麼問題要來反映好不好?好,這樣來 |
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院長,在此,我未來歡迎,提及其次及其次政府,因為我們全台灣的文創園區有國會,及其次,就是最幸福的正中這國會內的其中之一。因此,保證,等久以來,我跟我們的內部的接觸,因為這內部有16棟, |
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所在說實在,3.9公頃,我們的台積電要到嘉義設置20公頃,所以對嘉義市這個文創園區是不是非常重要。 |
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在本社所了解,在18、20年,我們把保障和我們選拔的已經解約了。在解約的當中,我看到這三年,你們對文創的關心和做法,是我很感激的。在裡面,你們不是沒有意識,在裡面的意識, |
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三當開國前幾晚,你若看見每個月的人會辦活動,在本期拜六禮拜,每天騎一台摩托車去看今天是不是有辦什麼活動,可以帶給自己去的歡迎,尤其部長、院長。 |
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在文創園區的對面就是自己的民宿館,非常地漂亮,非常地好。您如果看到我們的對面文創園區的時候,部長,我們這是中央的管理。您如果看到有一個月5000多人,一天18、70多人去參觀,比我們 |
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在這裏文創基金會的人又多了。部長,在這裏本席當局以來跟你們談到說文創園區我們要如何輸入給它歡迎,可以讓它發生,帶動人潮就是可以帶動錢啦,賺錢啦。在這裏我們的施政部 |
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謝謝委員 |
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其實文創園區在前陣子全部都委外,稍後他不會說我們應該要加強,事實上最近陳靜市的那棟也很受歡迎,委員你關心這棟,我們大風雄一定要跟市府合作,一定要跟地方政府合作,對嘛,要在地跟市府合作,可以帶動歡迎跟文化。 |
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因為部長我是怎麼會去說因為你習慣站在我們的對面因為你習慣小和美 |
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尤其當天報咱家旗旗是跨度的所在。你若說出來說,跟咱家旗旗要來電覽,放一個電場室也沒有,跟因為吹啊吹,剛好咱家最適合。結果不是說,若分開而已,以市政府文化局,也會做一個。 |
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我希望大方向就是繼續與市府來合作,好不好? |
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好,這樣要看清楚,沒錯,我們在這裏本身也要告訴你,你的會議不能讓百姓覺得你們是浪費錢,因為文化費在正當,你們最緊要變兩樣而已。 |
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我也知道,正當我們是有18個到20個,今年變20個,是有16個到21個來選擇,因為選擇的當中,裡面有不好的,我們要趕緊去改善,不要說有的可以有的不行,這樣對我們的營養很大,不知道你們覺得說這三天來, |
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疫情關於對文化、對政策應用很大,所以我們要做這個議程來處理,但是要做好,像買公仔買什麼,你要標示好清楚,因為我覺得 |
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這裏面喔,不能說想開啟的錢下去,我們也希望說開啟的錢有那個階段啦。部長,因為我覺得文化幣你要去注意,我覺得這是很好的,可以對 |
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文化來提倡這個文化幣是非常的好,要不然我們的錢後面去使用後面欠就不好。來請問,來教育部長,來我請陳詩雯先生來。教育部長有什麼問題要回答的請用書面跟我回答,來教育部長來。 |
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委員長,在這兩天報告選舉的時候,報告我上午的時候來到台北,也是因為我們家裡的建設能夠好,家裡有30、40萬,但是對現在的環境已經不夠適用也很久了。 |
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然而在這個過程當中,本席及其政府也有向教育部來申請,然而教育部說,申請的時間已經過了。然而在這個過程,我毫無意義不放棄。 |
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所以總總早晚早看到我們部長已經向行政院申請公共工程的計劃。在這兩天我也感謝我們院長可以聽出所有地方的欠款是什麼。也在部長這個規定當中 |
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本身我亦在每年有看到及去的總統是納入在這裏面,因為你先請你讓行政院要有國發會去,國發會也很重要。 |
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關於來協助的,要不然到目前為止請問部長,你要怎麼來協助嘉義市的總統,來簡單說明一下。是,感謝王委員,因為在嘉義市好好建設,還是這個總部,一路都從來沒放棄過。因為第二期你申請的時候,那很快就需求很大嘛。 |
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規定完後我們在這方面一定會來 |
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因為這領申請後,國會會議會分4天來報案。但是在本席的意見就是說,絕對一定要把二次的總統放下去。因為議長跟總統跟部長都說,我們沒有分什麼,主要對我們需要,我們就補助他。來。 |
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那個最近雖然我沒孩子,但看到電視也好,手機也好,看到霸凌,但霸凌之後最嚴重的就是暴力。院長、部長,我是怎麼不要站大來打? |
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因為我相信你們每一個人有想幾樣,都有看到最近霸凌的情形。這再看一遍,更堅固的。所以我就用雙皮來代表硬皮。 |
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在這個過程當中,我覺得我們的教育,不管是國小、國中、國中,是怎樣都會發生在國中大部分。問題出在台,所以我們補充,可以深深去了解,因為說實在,這非常嚴重。現在還有一種孩子在旅行什麼,你知道夜展補充, |
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宣揚霸凌,宣揚霸凌是非常嚴重的,就是你人派的時候,協會,讓人看說我很幸運,所以部長,我們的教育的經費都也經費, |
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因為最近發生這事,你我心肝很乾脆。因為很乾脆的期間,要如何去改善,這是最要緊的。本身在這,也希望你書面報告給我。我覺得我今天的所講的問題,院長拜託你,要我再多協助加其次,任何什麼問題。謝謝。 |
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謝謝王委員、美會的質詢。謝謝行政院的備詢。報告委員會,教育及文化組織質詢已詢答完畢。上午質詢到此為止。北市會議未有委員提出臨時提案。我們就不進行臨時提案的處理。下午2點30分進行交通組織質詢。現在休息。謝謝。 |
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報告院會現在我們繼續開會進行交通組織質詢第一位我們請登記第一號的廖偉祥委員質詢 |
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院長好,有請我們陳建仁院長。麻煩請陳院長備詢。二位午安。院長午安。 |
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院長,我國的這個半導體產業在戰略重要性就是足以被稱為保護台灣的戲盾那也相信您對於這個台積電進駐台中科學園區以及一路的看著它台中地方配合中央來創造條件到最後確認這個台積電要在我們中科擴廠我想您也感到很欣慰那但是我們地方對於台積電在中科這個進駐和擴廠是一則以喜一則以憂 |
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因為我們也看到之前台積電到了日本的熊本社場嘛,到現在地方的交通配套不足的情況之下,他早上和晚上通勤通學的時間有嚴重的塞車問題,而且常常是用公里在計算,塞得非常的誇張。 |
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那雄本的案例也告訴我們所以即便有這個科技園區跟工廠直接帶動了經濟也帶來一些社會的成本造成了系統性的塞車那現在我們台中啊今天有這個中科的園區的存在已經讓當地常常在塞車那雖然我們行政院合訂了台中的這個捷運藍線綜合規劃10年後可能若順利的話10年後可能可以 |
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我順利的完工通車解決這部分的塞車可是在這過程中也會讓這個道在施工的過程中也會讓道路交通進一步的惡化所以我是認為在捷運完成之前和這個在台積電確定完成擴建之前 |
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中央是不是應該跟地方合作來超前部署,把這個科學園區臺中中科附近的交通配套做好,這個原則您同意嗎?這個交通的便捷和舒適還有這個相關的這個經費確實是要中央跟地方一起來合作。 |
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感謝院長喔所以現在基本上已經有兩個方案嘛現在臺中市政府也有專業的解決方案喔首先第一個當然是我們的漢祥路延伸從我們環中路延伸到東大路喔那另外一個是福林路的延伸開闢工程那這兩個 |
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總金費73億多台中市政府必須要道路生活圈規劃方案 |
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自己有6成以上的規模要負擔46億5千多萬5千4百萬在另外一件總經費也就是福林路的延伸有24億的工程裡面也是要臺東市政府也是要支出超過7成大概是17億6千3百多萬所以我在這邊想要拜託提醒我們院長 |
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對,沒有錯。 |
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所以我想要在這個觀念裡面要拜託我們的院長這些道路工程的完成未來是大家共享的共用的不分藍綠的所以要希望我們院長可不可以專案協調有沒有任何能夠讓這兩條道路趕快進速推動成功的方法還有包含經費的部分希望不管是我們交通部內政部或者經濟部或者國科會等等大家可以被眾志成城看有沒有可能走專案行政院這個公共計畫建設或者是前瞻計畫經費 |
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﹚議員﹚議員﹚ |
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﹚議員﹚ |
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我想中央跟地方來一起討論然後看怎麼樣來申請這個計畫那你講的很好就是說漢祥路以及這個福林路這個本來就是地方政府應該要來建設的所以他呢可以申請這個生活圈的這個道路交通系統建設計畫的方案當然補助的金額會比較少嘛最高就只有3.5億所以您也指出來了 |
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那在其他的這個部分譬如說用地費的不足的部分我們會請相關的機關來盡量來研議怎麼樣協助舉一個例子譬如說我們這一個大院的江副院長已經在3月8號召開了協商的會議那法案會請台中科學園區就相關的這一些交通問題還有用地的問題再來做 |
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這個研議然後能不能尋找這個財源。我想我們一起來努力。謝謝,非常感謝院長。所以我想怎麼想辦法生出錢只是一個過程。那我們目標先確定。所以今天聽到院長這樣子的方向,很感謝您。也拜託,真的希望拜託可以找到更多的財源。也希望院長在520前可不可以送我們台中市民一個大禮包。我們相信,代表台中的鄉親會非常的感恩和感謝您。 |
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祝我們請國科會來研議。今天下午他不在。 |
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再來就是有關我們臺中捷運藍線也特別感謝我們中央願意聽到我們臺中的聲音所以這個綜合規劃通過但是也有幾點爭議要確定釐清啦因為上一次您到沙鹿車站會刊的時候也有相關的人員尤其是這個執政黨的民意代表也提出一些疑點疑慮等等的 |
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但是最後我們看到我們行政院合定的版本大概跟一年前台中市的版本是相差無幾啊我只是想要再一次確認現在院長這個行政院合定通過後是不是我們代表說我們的疑慮已經釐清 |
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基本上現在通過了我們就是說現在的版本應該是已經沒有爭議了嘛 |
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那我們就是希望說臺中現在是臺灣第二大的都市希望未來我們各個捷運可以加速審查加速的核定那另外有我們看到臺中市的藍線地方負擔的比例將近六成相對我們高雄市在黃線還有他們的這個零元線的部分都只負擔了四成那中央補助的六成在我們臺中是恰恰相反的 |
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那我是說您應該會講說按照遊戲規則啊臺中的財政等級比較高所以負擔費用比例不一樣等等的但是我們從結論來看這個臺中是要自行負擔六成那這樣子的規則不就是在懲罰好學生我覺得這樣子想法是蠻奇怪的 |
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所以很希望未來在預算的補助比例上中央是不是也可以思考各個城市的發展跟它定位。所以要再拜託院長在這個部分是不是也可以再次的想辦法用專案補助的方式來增加我們的捷運藍線的補助的費用。 |
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我想全國各地都在建這個捷運那跟剛才的園區的發展不太一樣園區發展還有國科會那這一個在這個捷運的建設的經費實際上我們分成兩塊一個是自償性的部分一個是非自償性的部分那政府補助的是非自償性的部分那非自償性的部分就按照他是財政二級或三級台中市政府因為是二級嘛所以就補助的比較少 |
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那要謝謝要拜託院長再幫我們多找一些財源增加我們的補助的費用好不好 |
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另外就我所知藍線綜合規劃到從交通部到我們行政院整個核定也審查也差九個多月但是因為單單一條捷運現在只有綠線在台中所以它這個網絡沒有起來運量也很難提升那台中還有其他的捷運線也同時在辦理請問院長你是否知道台灣的國際機場裡面唯一沒有連外軌道的是哪一個 |
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臺中嗎?沒錯,就是臺中。所以我們臺中的捷運局線,這個機場的捷運局線的必要性跟重要性就在此。那特別是去年你們行政院也通過了2040年要在臺中國際機場在興建第三航廈,所以代表未來我們這邊的運量也會變得很多。 |
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那如果沒有便捷的大眾運輸我想周邊的交通也會是一場災難所以本席是希望中央可以儘速來審議通過局限的可行性研究也協助臺中儘速推動後續的綜合規劃讓臺中的這個捷運網絡早日形成 |
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才可以治標又治本因為臺中也是第二大都市人口已經要破285萬要拜託這個部長和院長來幫我們來推動這件事情好嗎?臺中捷運那個局限的這一個部分實際上可信性評估已經送上來可是我們審查完了以後有一些意見送回去到已經送回去到這個臺中市政府那我也希望臺中市政府要加速啦不要像南線一樣送回去以後耽擱了比較長的時間 |
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那我這邊也要拜託我們的院長部長喔這等一下跟我講的也有關喔未來藍線的基本設計的部分也有很多這個跟我們各個局處有借接的一些界面喔所以是希望說請主委喔還有院長和部長喔可不可以答應我們台中的鄉親就是在審查的時候發揮你們專業角色和你們協助地方的高度我想千萬不要就是綜合規劃過了但是後續有很多的審查卻卡在來來回回 |
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那我要講的意思就是說可不可以就是大家更完善一點一次性的你們中央有什麼需求就地方上要修改的一次性的一次改一次搞定不要來來回回因為每次來來回回又拖了好幾個月可以答應嗎 |
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這一個部分就是委員你已經提到說為什麼南縣會需要一點時間來把它合訂就是因為當時確實在整個工程設計上專業上是需要有專業的考量那我們也很高興說臺中市政府總算願意崇尚如流但是這個未來在工程的面上如果有需要跟鐵路局、公路局或者是高工局一起來合作的部分 |
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那地方政府在設計可以提出來可以提出來要求我是不是很我不是很贊同但是因為時間的關係我希望我們這幾個臺中的聲音和鄉親的需求您可以聽到因為過去的事情您現在用從善如柳好像又在要打臺中的這種一巴掌不是不是我的意思就是說該改善的部分對我要講的是這樣的重大建設是我想都是人民的福祉我想這個中央地方可以一心協力的 |
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同樣的精神同樣的精神如果專業上需要我們中央來協助的話就不要客氣嘛你就地方政府提出要求不要說自己那個組織在那邊所以我們現在很希望就是代表台中鄉親的聲音希望我們這幾條尤其是藍線可以盡速的動工和完工十年其實台中鄉親也等不了 |
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那再來就是也在未來的這個就是像吳主委吳主委您過去這兩週來在交通委員會你也自詡你是勤力勤為那大家其實也感覺你像是老中一樣會到處這個巡迴去議診幫忙把脈 |
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那就是要落實這個中央地方一條心所以在未來的終結這個捷運的工程上請工程會也緊密跟地方站在一起好不好讓審查階段有效率主委您您說我們會來跟地方加強溝通協調加速來進行 |
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另外也要拜託吳責任主委我們在地方上有很多民生採購案有流標的狀況包含有第7次採購我們這個西屯區市鎮路開闢買管線的工程它又流標了3700多萬的規模這對我們地方影響也很大所以也希望拜託您這位老前輩幫忙用行政院工程會的功能來去關心一下讓這些公共服務能夠順利做出去然後一個月內把這個辦理的情形回覆給我好嗎 |
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好,我們馬上來了解來協助他們那我最後再來我要問院長您知不知道最近物價都在飛漲到有漲的狀況現在的物價如果比起上個禮拜來上去年度來講的話我們的物價是有在下降但是1月份的時候下降的比較多2月份會上來委員我跟你報告都是跟去年同期那去年的春節剛好在1月 |
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所以您的感覺跟我們民生的感覺是差蠻遠的非常多東西尤其民生的東西都在漲 |
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所以從12月的17項重要民生物價指數來看從12月開始到現在2月都是在漲的狀況從110.82漲到現在2月份是111.09所以看得出來我們從這個民生物價指數就看得出來是有在漲的 |
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好,謝謝廖委員韋翔的質詢,也謝謝陳院長的備詢。 |
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接下來我們請登記第二號陳委員俊宇質詢。 |
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好,謝謝主席。那有請我們陳院長。麻煩再請陳院長備選。好,謝謝院長。 |
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院長我上任以來在今年年初院長您已經到過宜蘭這個實際的視察相關的產業兩次那我也特別感謝院長的用心對於宜蘭的關心當然也要感謝我們王部長王部長對於這個相關的重大工程在 |
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開立這個相關的這個委員會的說明會的時候我們王部長都親自帶隊到宜蘭去謝謝王部長那也特別感謝我們吳哲成政委因為他對於宜蘭縣的了解那包括宜蘭的這個中央跟這個宜蘭的相關這些建設的這個平台也開過超過35次的這個平台會議謝謝我們的這個吳政委 |
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那在此我想說跟院長就教一下就是針對宜蘭縣我有這個設定了一個四大目標就是交通、醫療、產業還有觀光那這個當然交通跟醫療是重中之重我們也希望說這兩個這個面向能夠盡快來做提升來帶動整個宜蘭縣的發展 |
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當然交通跟醫療的相關建制如果完成之後,產業跟觀光就會隨之發展,這個院長您認同嗎? |
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我完全認同而且我覺得是宜蘭人民的這個福氣有這麼好的立委然後對於剛才講的這個四大主軸的建設確實都很關心我覺得我們會一起跟您還有地方政府一起來努力好謝謝院長那未來宜蘭的關鍵黃金十年我期待能夠在院長還有我們各部會的首長這個支持之下讓宜蘭縣真的能夠來脫胎換骨 |
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那我首先要就教這個院長的部分就是針對宜蘭的這個鐵路高架。宜蘭縣的這個南陽平原目前還有23座的這個平交道。那就我們目前所規劃的這個鐵路高架的範圍15.85公里的範圍內有9座的這個平交道還有4座的路橋。在未來有可能這個建設在這個進行的當中就會去移除。 |
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那當然這個緊張到是大家這個比較擔憂的一個平面的一個交通的一個危險地帶 |
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那未來如果平交道可以移除之後相信也可以讓宜蘭縣的這個交通更加順暢也能夠讓用路人更加安全那也能夠縫合宜蘭縣東西這個經濟發展的一個裂痕那我也期待說這個鐵路高架的相關期程能夠這個盡快來進行那在此我想請教院長就是目前我們這個鐵路高架的期程為何 |
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這一個鐵路高校化的可行性的研究我們行政院早就在109年10月26日就核定了現在正在做環評的作業當中那如果環評審查的結果是在今年的2月22日的時候環境部已經審查完了 |
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院長,115年底可以順利嗎?這個我們當然是 |
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希望這個鐵道局如果能夠在環評的意見回覆上補正的更快一點,我們當然就可以更提前啦。那因為最近在2月份有一份這個環評的結果出來,針對這個土壤異化的部分會不會影響到工程的這個進行?這個比較專業的部分我請部長。 |
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就是第二次專案小組的確有談到這個課題,那目前我們在補資料,我們準備在4月底會把它再送到環境部去,基本上應該是可以說明。可以解決吧,因為這未來跟這個高鐵也會有相同的問題,所以我希望說應該是要一併解決。 |
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另外就是針對我們非執政的縣市,其實財政都非常的困境。對於高鐵要在鐵路高架的部分,宜蘭縣15.85公里的部分要252億。縣政府所要編列的配額款也非常的多,超過50億以上。針對這個部分, |
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中央政府是不是可以對於這個部分能夠來提高相關的這個補助,讓這個縣市政府在爭取相關重大建設的時候,不會卻步,可以勇敢的來爭取。我想所有的軌道的建設都是同樣一個標準,就是我們有相關的經費,有自籌的部分,非自籌。 |
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﹚廣告 |
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此周邊的土地的再利用可能也是需要縣政府要先想好要如何配合這個站址來做站址開發,這樣時它這個自償性的部分就可以有多少收入,就可以減去這個經費的壓力,這個實際上像 |
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這個基隆他在做基隆捷運的時候他也是需要有這樣的一個考量就是地方政府中央政府補助以外地方政府也要努力的就這個站子附近的這個土地開發也要用點心那這個部分如果需要我們鐵路局或者相關的單位來一起討論也許我們可以提供一些意見讓地方政府自己在附近的土地可以好好地利用這樣的時候 |
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謝謝,謝謝院長我希望說我們這些重大的交通工程發展會帶動地方的一個實際的進步那不要因為這個配額款的問題讓縣市政府對於爭取的這個卻步這樣應該才會能夠實際幫助到地方的發展 |
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另外我想請教院長針對高鐵延伸宜蘭,高鐵延伸宜蘭的部分目前在二階環坪的部分辦理情形如何?現在二階環坪已經在辦理當中 |
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那這個交通部會努力爭取這一個二階環屏能夠盡快的通過那這個要看環境部那我們是以115年底呈報這個計畫為目標然後接下來就是設計跟施工的這個部分所以這二階環屏我們會努力來這個計畫送上來到行政院我們會來加速審查二階環屏很重要院長那在115年前環屏會不會通過 |
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大概我們目標是1、4年6月那剛才院長所提的是整個綜合規劃跟環評以及送信機的時間所以我們現在就是明年的6月以明年6月為目標讓他通過這樣 |
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我還是請部長這邊盡這個最大的力量幫忙一下讓這個二階環評能夠順利那趕快進入相關的這個期程也可以盡早來動工完工 |
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因為未來這個宜蘭縣它會成為我們山鐵共構的一個很主要的一個站體東部快鐵跟西部高鐵那未來整個環島的這個6小時的這種高快速的這個路網能夠建置完成的話相對可以讓整個台灣變成一日的生活圈 |
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那我想請教院長就是近日不是都在討論說這個環島的這種高鐵路網,那對於這個未來是不是會沉案?環島的高鐵路網會不會沉案?會不會影響到這個高鐵延伸? |
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我想我們目前已經有在規劃的就是宜蘭還有在屏東的部分那我們就慢慢的來一段一段的來完成那至於說要到黃島的這個階段的時候我們要考慮到的成本效益等等 |
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那所以在這個部分當然我們是看看國家經濟發展的狀況還有這個成本效益能夠夠的話我們就一段一段的來完成那宜蘭的部分一定會預先一定會事先現在已經在規劃了嘛剛才講的二階環評如果過的話我們就往這個目標來做但是我還是要強調一件事情很重要譬如說您剛才講的高鐵站還有 |
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臺鐵站那實際上當這個軌道進來的時候特定區域的那個開發很重要那對行政府一定要想好清楚像在日本他們那個大阪或者是京都的鐵路站站址他那個聯合開發 |
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我跟委員報告,比如說憲政中心站現在是宜蘭的站,它事實上也是鐵路的一部分,它事實上特定區的收入是可以挹注到比如說這個未來的鐵路高架的部分,高鐵是我們簽了的出資。 |
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第二個煩惱高鐵不會影響因為現在到宜蘭他如果下一步就是宜蘭到花蓮開始做可行性這一段是不會有影響我希望說這個高鐵特區剛剛院長提示的高鐵特區可以更加完善因為這一個鐵道的工程可能是宜蘭線創線以來最大的一個重大工程那如果要規劃的話我們也希望說就一次到位 |
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這個再拜託我們這個王部長跟我們所有的同仁一起努力另外要救教就是我們台六十二線台六十二線延伸宜蘭其實有三個最主要的理由要見第一就是因為這一個這條道路的開闢可以成為我們這個國道五號擁塞情況的一個替代型的道路另外也會成為我們這個宜花東農特產品這個 |
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運輸的一個主要的一個路啦那來串聯這個整個東部產業的發展一個很重要的道路第三點就是可以提升這個旅遊的這個觀光路線讓喜歡漫活欣賞這個沿岸東部的這個美景的 |
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這個民眾有一個不同的選擇的路線所以我認為說台62線還是非常重要一定要盡快來做這個規劃那我想請教一下說針對這個部分 |
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這個可行性評估目前進度為何?五月底會不會完成?他三月底就會提出這個期末報告那這個延伸到宜蘭投誠這件的可行性評估我相信提出來以後我們報到行政院我們一定會加速來審議那看看他的可行性怎麼樣然後就來進行 |
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因為宜蘭縣單靠一條國道5號對外聯絡實在是不夠因為整個台灣的旅遊觀光的民眾會往宜花東去移動 |
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那所以才會導致這個國道5號塞車情況那現在如果沒有再增加一條的話常常現在不是假日塞車平時就在塞車所以我請院長跟部長一定要對這個議題的關注另外就是我們目前在進行中的這個T-pass這個通勤月票的優惠我想請教一下就是說 |
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因為在宜蘭縣目前每天大概有7000到8000人在做使用那在還沒有優惠之前每一個月的這個使用的費用大概是超過6000塊以上那縣政府在這個去年的7月曾經做過一個調查 |
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那如果有這個優惠的套票的時候會有89.1%近九成的民眾會購買那也有78.8%的民眾近八成的民眾會選擇2300型的這個月票那這個2300型當然就是我們北北基桃1200跟目前這個北宜跨城際的1800 |
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兩個加起來然後優惠700塊的這一行那現在有一個問題我想請教就是說宜蘭縣政府沒辦法把兩張卡合併來做使用導致民眾出門要帶兩張卡那這個問題常常會衍生出來如果卡刷錯了錢就被扣走了怎麼辦所以我想請教一下部長對這個部分我們可不可以來要求相關單位來做一個這個溝通把這個兩張卡來做合併使用 |
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對的確目前會有一個狀況用180加1200目前用這樣但是他們現在碰到的困難是宜蘭縣政府跟雙北在整個交通運區上面整合這個更改上面有些困難我們來協助 |
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那現在目前是宜蘭縣政府是4月份會再把整個計畫送上來基本上這些方案包括未來的2300到雙北都吃飽這樣的方案我們都會支持,院長這邊也都支持這個經費但是就是說溝通的部分我們也來協助看怎麼來讓雙北跟宜蘭能夠趕快溝通這是地方政府愛管理那為了這個交通平權我在此我也希望說我們 |
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議後預算使用完之後,115年我們是不是可以編列常態型的預算來支應這筆通勤月票的支出?我們目前是有這樣的規劃。好。謝謝陳委員峻宇的質詢,也謝謝陳院長的備詢。接下來我們請登記第三位葛委員儒君質詢。 |
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國務委員 |
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很高興一天可以跟您見面兩次。我也是。院長您之前在答詢其他委員的答覆的時候曾經表示過臺股上兩萬點非常值得高興。3月8日您的臉書也很科學地用數字表示從105年到現在臺灣股市的漲幅142% |
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代表臺灣的經濟穩健的發展我這邊有一個產業類別的營運現況想請教一下這個營運金額10年成長163%說實話真的是很高105年來臺股漲幅142%還要更高我們是不是可以給這樣的一個幸福企業給他喊一聲加油好不好 |
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謝謝但是黑數很多都還沒算進去媒體也報導將0.9%的GDP都賠在裡面 |
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我相信整體來講我們大家都很遺憾這並不是什麼企業或產業的營運成果這是詐騙集團每一年造成人民血汗錢的損失也是詐騙集團的營收十年來從33.8億增加到88.8億如果以111年的百大企業營收排名來講居然可以排到台灣百大企業當中 |
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我想請教一下就是院長臺灣的詐騙案件數,詐騙案件數逐年攀升從110年的2萬4千多件暴增到112年將近3萬8千件增幅高達54%您就任以來自許為溫暖內閣但民眾看到這件事真的是不會感到溫暖可能只會憤怒或傷心這些資料來自警政署還不包含沒有報案的數量 |
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院長曾經表示打詐需要繼續加強但是已經有蠻多成果這是您所說的話但實際瀏覽行政院的網站羅列各種打詐數據打詐成效的部分還提到國際詐騙電話部分從112年的5080萬通下降到1503萬通其中886開頭的國際來話數量至最高112年的1600萬通持續下降到84萬通我們先不管886明明就是台灣的號碼 |
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為什麼會變成國際來話我們先不管這些但是我們感覺到的是關槍冷冰冰的數字民眾打開手機依然收到一堆詐騙簡訊絲毫感受不到生活有任何的改變難道這就是溫暖內閣想傳遞的暖意嗎還是寒意我想對民眾來說每天接到詐騙集團的電話跟簡訊真的變成我們的新日常我想民富其實的溫暖內閣必須苦民所苦以民眾為出發點 |
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我想真的是真心請教院長,您認為詐騙受害者為什麼會被騙? |
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好,很好。 |
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我想 院長第一我們真的是要有同理心警覺不夠可能人民辨別不出來這真的不是人民的問題同時詐騙集團的方案推陳出新我們的法律跟打仗的方法當然要比他更新我們來看一下既然您沒有辦法真確的理解民眾為什麼被騙我這裡有個案件想要請您實際確認一下 |
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哪個是假的?何者為真?何者為假?哪個是假的?我們來看一下喔聲音麻煩一下謝謝我們重新看一次啦哪個是假的? |
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每一段話都是電腦生成的院長以及在座的各位大家好現在這段影片是我親自錄製的透過錄影來跟大家確認每一段話都是我親自說的絕對不是AI生成的詐騙影片請教院長我覺得右邊的好像比較像真的 |
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好謝謝喔很抱歉兩個都是假的全部都是AI生成的喔院長我想民眾之所以會被詐騙真正的原因我哪個是假的啊我沒有說哪一個啊我想要說的就是民眾真的很難分辨 |
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院長真的是非常優秀的科學家都要看得這麼仔細都沒有辦法完全分辨還要說民眾沒辦法分辨是民眾的問題那民眾就都不要分辨好了啊所以就是詐騙集團的問題跟民眾的問題我們都沒有做錯事嗎? |
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我們認為民眾之所以被詐騙最重要的原因是真的沒有辦法分辨啦所以詐騙集團的這些案件暴風式的成長簡訊的網址我看到了我們可能連專家都沒有辦法分辨哪一個是詐騙網址啊所以我們真的很需要政府的幫忙吼所以呢事實上我們的政府是怎麼來幫忙的咧我們來看一下 |
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我先簡單介紹一下為什麼人民感受很差好不好 |
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我們看一下這兩種通訊服務根據調查我是真的想要來交流我相信唐鳳部長也很清楚 |
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根據調查2021年iMessage在全球有13億活躍用戶每秒發送20萬條訊息並且在COVID-19大流行期間使用率增加了30%另外的RCS的服務根據統計2023年全球用戶突破10億而民眾關閉這兩種通訊服務不是在主詐而是在阻隔世界等同於讓台灣變成一座訊息孤島由此可見政府處理事情的邏輯 |
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到底是不是都是這樣,發生食安問題就扯到國人愛吃辣,難以禁止辣椒粉進口,就把責任推到民眾身上,詐騙集團廣發簡訊,就是要求大家關閉iMessage、RCS,所謂的防詐誤步驟,要求民眾不聽不接不點不傳不信。 |
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不好意思,這個民眾真的是很傷心、很難過、很寒冷。最好考慮是不是乾脆不要用手機。到時候又說我們民眾愛用手機、愛上網。所以我想真的是要接地氣、站在民眾的角度、設想。這個我們是不是能夠來加強。 |
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報告委員基本上來講的話我們提醒民眾這邊也是提升他的防詐意識報告委員在整個我們科技的使用上的確也有數位落差的這個情況有一些我們就可以看得出來就是說如果不常用像MSG或RCS這種功能的我們會建議他把它關閉並不是說不要去用這個所謂的功能而是說盡量減少接觸不要減少被騙的機會好 謝謝不好意思打斷剛好我也是在教育文化委員會 |
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希望未來還能跟您持續交流。我想接下來剛好唐鳳部長也在這裡了。我想資通要安心,資通安全也很重要。依據現行的資安法,公務機關或特定非公務機關發生資安事件的時候要進行通報。資安事件分成四級,最新為第一級,最嚴重是第四級。想請教一下院長,去年一整年公務機關或特定非公務機關共發生了幾件最嚴重的也就是第四級的資安事件。 |
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應該沒有第四集的事件了。 |
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好很好目前先軍一法還好沒有零件但是呢雖然說光第三集的案件就有63件占總通報件數將近6%到第四集已經是動搖國本了幸好還沒有但是呢我們想要來看一下以近年來教育部發生火燒機房的事件為例該案被界定為三級資安事件距離動搖國本真的只有一步之遙 |
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但是事情發生以後教育部卻連火災原因都沒有積極了解直到我的辦公室詢問了教育部才開始簽辦並且急忙在我質詢以後發文臺北市消防局確認火災原因我們今天已經3月19號了至今我們還沒有看到 |
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實地考察火災現場起火點距離UPS不斷電系統非常接近一牆之隔全部都是電池在那個牆上如果再延燒下去很可能不只是火災甚至會引發爆炸連主機都可能會炸掉 |
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這一個統計 |
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跟委員報告我們這個如果是以我們公部門的來計算的話以及TW3CC的來計算的話以我目前掌握應該是大概上千件左右。 |
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好 謝謝我想數位部的回答很好希望提供相關資料而且要跨部會的來分享我可以告訴院長我們詢問過警政署也過去我們也在這幾天發文詢問數位部答案都是沒有相關統計結果部長知道的可能比數位部還多事實上上櫃公司依據現行法規必要的時候是要發布重大訊息的所以顯然政府沒有掌握 |
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對相關企業被害的狀況沒有掌握,如何進一步帶領企業來強化資安呢?分配資安預算的時候,大家都負責資安,人人都有份。發生企業被害,發生重大資安事件的時候,人人都踢皮球,人人都無關,都說不屬於我的權責範圍。所以事實上我們來看一下,這幾個四個單位的業務執掌,請院長告訴我們哪一個是行政院資安匯報的業務執掌項目? |
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這個是不是比打詐的分辨還難分辨啊?沒錯我相信真的很難因為看起來幾乎完全一樣但是我們有一堆的單位在做要解決治安問題真的不是靠成立一堆組織也要有健全的法規制度才能夠讓政府單位民間有規則可循數位部111年8月27號成立到現在已經超過了一年半但是翻開我們現在的知通安全管理法 |
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不管機關還是寫著行政院數位部在治安管理上到底有沒有能力扮演角色我相信部長很有心我就替部長來請問院長資通安全管理法目前已經送到行政院院長是不是可以承諾 |
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在520以前將這部法案送到立法院來審查我們相信你們是暖心內閣你們也不是看守內閣你們是看守人民的錢包看守人民的幸福感可不可以在520以前送進來 |
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每分每秒都有駭客在入侵每分每秒都有像剛剛這樣分辨不清的影片每一秒有20萬則的iMessage |
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五二零以前可不可以送進來這個要看審議的程度的進度如果會後我可以跟你報告審議的狀況情況現在我沒有辦法跟你講任何的訊息因為我根本不曉得審議的進度是怎麼樣我想啊真的是今天很謝謝有這樣的機會那打詐防詐真的是全民客體雖然說全球都有這樣子的困擾跟趨勢而且更嚴重 |
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這個是不是要提出一些範例出來。我們台灣0.9%的GDP被騙走了。日本是0.3%。 |
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台灣是不是科技之島? |
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是但是還是有學習的地方當然不是但是很重要的國際上在打詐的這些問題上都面臨到很大的考驗我們數位很強科技很強院長我們一起努力來做全球打詐防詐領頭羊好不好OK |
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對於打擊詐騙希望行政院可以更接地氣更有同理心同理心真的非常重要人民的心是肉做的院長的心也是肉做的我們都心心相連我們希望有同理心來解決接地氣解決這個問題 |
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主詐的責任真的不在民眾防詐不利真的不在於詐騙集團太強我們的政府我們的唐鳳部長是天才部長啊我們一定一起努力好不好不要只是呼籲民眾不聽不接不點不傳不信而是應該依據普遍的實際情況 |
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﹚議員 |
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好,謝謝各族軍委員質詢。謝謝陳院長的備詢。接下來我們請登記第4號林委員役軍質詢。 |
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有請陳院長還有交通部王部長。麻煩請陳院長備詢,有請交通部備詢。林委好,恭喜你當選立委。謝謝,謝謝。特別請教陳院長和王部長,請問你們的家鄉分別是在哪裡呢?我在高雄,啟山。我也是,我也是高雄。你是高雄,OK,好。 |
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那你們知道本席來自哪裡嗎?應該是在花蓮之前。自從我,其實我是台南人,自從嫁到花蓮之後才發現原來小小的臺灣,西部和東部的交通和區域上面的發展竟然是如此的嚴重失衡。 |
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東部的交通便利性和西部相比竟然是如此的天差地遠所以院長部長相信接下來你就知道本席是居住在花蓮的本席想要請教你們什麼問題了大家都知道中央山脈把臺灣分成了東部和西部請問部長有關西部的交通建設要讓住在西部的民眾回家請問有哪些交通建設呢 |
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目前有相當多的建設,第一個就是剛才談到的高鐵延伸宜蘭,那至少到宜蘭這一塊變快了,然後再搭火車過去。第二個是蘇阿安,現在也都這個磁力在進行中,我們希望說進速,就是說過去做的蘇阿改還少了三段,我們趕快把它補起來。 |
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我現在說的是西部的建設,西部的建設就像說,可能有捷運啊這些啦,高鐵啦,還有飛機啦,高速公路這些。那部長請回答。部長要我嗎?就是機場也有啦,花蓮台東都有機場嘛。鐵路當然高鐵就是一段段延伸啦,目前是到宜蘭嘛。 |
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那公路的部分事實上蘇阿安跟蘇阿改合起來他已經類似快速道路了對,然後包括我們花東的雙軌這個跟西部就一樣了所以事實上剛才談到說在東部比較那你說花蓮的老百姓大家要回家的時候那要返鄉的時候那我們有什麼交通呢?可以回家呢?第一個飛機啊第二個是鐵路第三個是這個公路,大概這幾箱 |
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好那我們現在來看一下這個圖東西交通便利性的大PK我們來看一下其實我們看到很清楚的關於捷運的方面我們東部是沒有的在高鐵的方面我們東部也是沒有的在台鐵的方面其實是一票難求在飛機的方面班次非常少國道方面不方便高速公路道路方面 |
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一條也沒有然後汽機車方面其實是非常的不方便的不但不方便還要擔心有落石會砸到所以我們剛才看了這個什麼整個情況唯一我們東部順利的大順利的就是什麼我們翻山越嶺用走路的因為政府 |
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﹗ |
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也不會這樣啦,就是說各項建設當然是各個地方的發展隨著都市的發展它可能比較高比如說像捷運那個就慢慢如果發展未來有需求這樣做嘛那目前你所提到包括台鐵我們把最新的車都丟到東部去耶 |
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現在我們來看看幾件事情。多年來中央各項的交通建設長期是以臺灣的西部為優先。去年的話11月14日,院長你是不是有到花蓮去關心花東地區的重大交通建設呢?確實。你當場是不是有說近7年行政院在花蓮地區鐵公路交通建設經費總共投入了750億呢?對。 |
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因為你是希望花東地區安全便捷和舒適的交通建設對不對?對但問題是為什麼我們花東的民眾卻完全無感呢?院長請問到底你們執政8年來究竟給了我們花東人什麼樣感覺有感而且又有快速平安又幸福回家的道路呢?花蓮人到底還要等多久呢? |
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我覺得無感是你的朋友跟你講的但是就我的朋友在花蓮跟東部的他們都覺得在樹花改以後在這個鐵路電氣化在鐵路雙軌化在這個花東的快速公路建設以後確實比以前要有進步當然是還不夠好他們還希望爭取但是我絕對不會說完全無感我覺得跟我所接受到的訊息並不相同 |
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好那我們今天來特別針對公路總局所提出的舒花安和國道5號的高速公路線接計劃兩岸在上個月2月20號在環資部進行環境影響評估審查時卻遭到了卡關然後被退回要求補正這讓我們花蓮的鄉親其實得到消息的時候本席的辦公室電話都被灌爆了 |
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因此﹖ |
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為了提供花東人民一條安全可靠的連外道路所以交通部才提出了蘇花安計畫請問部長是不是這樣呢? |
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對,我覺得因為過去真的只有做三段,那這個蔡總統上來以後我們就再把他補齊,我們現在再補齊,讓他完整的安全回家的路。部長如果你真的那麼重視花蓮人,那為何樹花案和樹花塊到現在還沒有動功呢?請你給本席和花蓮人一個合理的解釋,是交通部沒有作為,還是根本不想做? |
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我想任何道路的建設特別是經過了山脈的這些道路的建設呢確實有比較多的從可行性評估到環評到綜合規劃確實是比較困難那這也是和地形的關係不完全只是說是東部跟西部的差別那交通部已經盡很大的力量在做各式各樣的 |
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委員﹚ |
| transcript.whisperx[629].start |
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做一個報告的就是從可行性評估、環評到綜合規劃確實在花東要蓋這一些鐵路、道路...竟然受到環支部的環評委員的卡關那交通部根本是不是沒有用心沒有好好的規劃這個呢?還是根本不想做?難不成交通部企圖要讓環支部當壞人兩個部會唱雙簧打假球嗎?欺騙花東人鄉親的心嗎?請問環評委員要求交通部 |
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委員你不太清楚我們叫環境部環境部裡面的環評小組這是一個專家學者的這個 |
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的小組所組成的不是只有政府機關所以根本不可能我們的環評委員會去跟交通部什麼唱雙簧打假球這樣的講法就是顯得對中央政府的機制是不了解我覺得我不贊成 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].start |
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但是環境部他們專家委員會提出來的意見我們交通部一定會認真的去回應這個我可以答應你但是你說什麼唱雙簧打假球我覺得這樣只會酸來酸去的不是問政的好方法 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].start |
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我跟委員報告我們交通部過去的計畫從來沒有第一次送到專案小組就通過過 |
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都是他給我意見所以我覺得是不是你跟你們鄉親講一下我們第一次已經給了很多意見現在是我們他給我們的這個專業小組的意見我們在午夜底把這個修正就送上去如果他可以就是送環評大會專業小組一般都會給你很多建議不是說只有這個案子這樣而已 |
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而且委員你可能也是很清楚你是花蓮人花蓮也有很多環團這些環境團體就會提出各式各樣的意見環團的意見也應該要被重視所以確實是我剛才講過因為地形的關係因為生態的關係確實是有困難但是沒有問題困難我們認真來解決認真來替花蓮人來爭取讓他給我們建蘇花庵這就是我們政府努力的對象 |
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但是政府不能夠去忽略環境團體或者是道路安全的相關的團體我們政府是要有平衡但是希望能夠盡快溝通我們一定努力溝通不要讓我們等太久還有一點就是還有花東塊花東塊在花東地區其實也是喊了10年的到現在王宮至少還要10年以上地方的民眾都說西部的高速公路 |
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趙正文時間都可以蓋上10條了要一條花東塊卻要等那麼久那像紛擾多年的花東塊2019年重請可行性的評估那個時候在今年的3月6號的時候在台東舉行了最後一場說明會可行性評估報告最快會9月完成對不對 |
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現在大概這樣就是8月會完成現在在做這個臺東花蓮已經說明完了在臺東的說明會因為我們很多行政程序一定要按照比如說可行性綜合規劃希望能夠加速完成因為這可以讓醫療貨送還有農產特品運送會更快捷但是這樣有一個問題總經費聽說要超過2000億是嗎目前評估是這樣 |
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| transcript.whisperx[639].text |
十年前的時候也進行過花東快但是最後中斷了現在又重啟了其實這個花東的民眾等很久了難得聽到這個好消息希望中央加快腳步不要又停下來了而且據了解2015年的時候那時候就已經提出花東快可行性的評估說明會那時候是全長150公里路線以堤防道路為主請問部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].start |
25268.182 |
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| transcript.whisperx[640].text |
2015年的時候你還沒有擔任部長這個職位但是當你當上部長之後想必知道當初預估的經費只有700億到1000億左右就可以了不過可行性評估最後為什麼沒有通過呢當時在這個應該是2015嘛他那時候是不夠的所以本來是都不起動了就結束了只是在大概2018、2019的時候在教育會做了一個結議所以你知道那時候為什麼 |
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會沒有通過嗎?那不是我們執政的年代啦。你問我們我們不知道但是後來我們還是覺得花東的道路確實要建設所以呢我們剛才講過2018、2019的時候我們還是決定說要做雖然馬前總統那個時代說不要做可是我們覺得還是要做啦 |
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沒有沒有,他有在努力爭取阿,你這樣講對他不公平喔,你對他講對他不公平。重啟喔,本來是就結束了。 |
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本來在2015就結束了,我們是把它重啟。現在很高興看到交通部要重啟了。那這樣的話請問一下經費需要2,308億嗎?現在目前估大概是這樣。如果政府預算充足的話只要中央願意給我們花東百姓一些關愛的眼神,願意給我們花東人一條安全的路,其實北溪都是樂見其成的,只是問題來了經費超過2,000億請問錢從哪裡來? |
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25368.525 |
| transcript.whisperx[644].text |
我想跟 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[645].end |
25406.938 |
| transcript.whisperx[645].text |
2015年2016年之間的狀況是不一樣啦因為現在呢民進黨呢因為全民的這一個投票讓我們能夠再繼續執政所以呢我也一再講現在的內閣跟未來的內閣一定是無縫接軌那我們答應要來做可行性評估而且我們已經2018、2019就重啟了 |
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25408.919 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].end |
25409.359 |
| transcript.whisperx[646].text |
時間最後本席還是希望交通部 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].start |
25438.382 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].end |
25438.963 |
| transcript.whisperx[647].text |
謝謝林委員一經的質詢。謝謝陳院長的備詢。 |
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25464.966 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].end |
25469.007 |
| transcript.whisperx[648].text |
接下來我們請登記第5號秋委員政軍質詢。 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[649].end |
25510.308 |
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我們有請院長王部長請交通部備詢院長好我想請教一下院長我們王部長到上任到下個月就應該有三年了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[650].text |
但是呢最近交通的問題狀況連連一直是民眾最不滿意的這個部會那我想請問一下院長您給部長打幾分我從來不為我的閣員打分數我覺得他們這一個兢兢業業的在做福國利民的工作很棒 |
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那交通的問題呢,確實我們現在也在積極在做。那你現在講的...院長,您不打分數也沒關係啦。但是你這個數字是比較...我現在沒有要求你一定要打分數。那我想要告訴王部長,你有一個好長官,非常照顧你們的長官。但是呢,民眾也需要一個非常好的一個部長,能夠照顧我們,能夠顧及我們民眾的生命的安全的一個好部長。 |
| transcript.whisperx[652].start |
25562.762 |
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| transcript.whisperx[652].text |
在去年我們交通事故這個再度比這個前年的成長大概2.7萬件那達到40.3萬件同時死傷的人數也增添了4萬多人達到54萬人成長了這個37%雙雙創下歷史的新高那麼對於這樣的交通這個盜案的成績 |
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| transcript.whisperx[653].text |
我想請問一下院長您滿意嗎?我覺得我們還有精進在加強改進的地方。為了我們要改善這個交通的安全我們有提到這個道路交通安全的基本法那落實交通三一的政策包括工程面、教育面以及執法面那以前都是過重於偏重於執法面那我想請教部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[654].end |
25619.233 |
| transcript.whisperx[654].text |
今年在改善交通工程面是否已經有具體的政策?那這一次的重點是什麼? |
| transcript.whisperx[655].start |
25619.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[655].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[655].text |
我跟委員報告去年的死亡人數是降了41人就是最裡面最嚴重的部分有降了41人當然死傷是盧委員所講有增加這是我們必須來改善的那今年有幾個第一個就是您提的交通安全基本法已經跨部會跨部會來合作這件事情第二個關於所謂行人的部分現在除了內政部的行人設施的安全條例以外 |
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25647.166 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].end |
25670.541 |
| transcript.whisperx[656].text |
另外就是我們永續提前行政計畫現在4年400億都要建設。今年已經有799個危險路口在處理。但是成效怎麼樣?成效怎麼樣?現在最近1、2月的死亡也是降低。不是,我是說你那個執行改善的部分400億嗎?執行的成績怎麼樣?應該這樣,今年的總共799處我們是前額補助地方來做。 |
| transcript.whisperx[657].start |
25676.647 |
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| transcript.whisperx[657].text |
因為我看到我們在交通工程面我們很多專家民團都在呼籲退縮行穿線以及設置庇護島這個部分我看到有的地方是有在做那我想有很多地方其實也是還沒有完成部長您可不可以盡速的來制定這個專案 |
| transcript.whisperx[658].start |
25699.229 |
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| transcript.whisperx[658].text |
然後來補助我們全國危險路口的行川線的這個已經有了部長跟你說一下事實上這個包括苗栗來講你們現在趕快申請我們都會補助我們現在跟內政部都在等你們的申請現在因為院長有一個經費現在真的你們申請的不夠多因為我們苗栗縣真的是財政非常困難請部裡面多多協助現在是前額補助 |
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25729.234 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].end |
25754.494 |
| transcript.whisperx[659].text |
委員我打差一分鐘實際上這個道路的設施的改善是地方政府要做地方政府你提出計畫來我們現在在這一年內是百分之百由中央來補助所以我到每一個縣市我都希望縣市長還有立法委員都能夠積極的鼓勵縣市政府趕快來申請這一筆經費把道路能夠修得更好設施改善得更好 |
| transcript.whisperx[660].start |
25755.816 |
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那個我們的蔡英文總統上任的時候有一個政策叫做浪漫台三線那部長有實際騎過或者是開過車從那邊經過嗎有有感覺怎麼樣就是他大概有很多轉彎的地方比較彎道比較大大致的這個路況還是OK對台三線苗栗段的風景是很棒的那路也非常的大 |
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那彎道深淺差非常的多騎士是非常喜愛的一個地方但是呢常常車禍一摔都很嚴重部長這個知道嗎了解就是你所提的這部分就是過去這個重機在那邊飆速那很多都跑到對向車禍也發生死亡車禍現在台三線被騎士稱作為絕命彎道我想部長這個對於我們蔡總統這個政策我想是非常差距非常大的 |
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那我想為了要給我們蔡英文總統一個面子也希望我們交通部這邊對於我們台三線的這個部分有沒有一個具體的一個改善的一個作為目前台三線在苗栗大概有三個關道我們現在做的改善如果以你這個103.6第一個就是 |
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因為他去年大概第4屆發生一個死亡錯誤,所以我們現在也做這個所謂護覽,沖水式的護覽。我知道你們現在的做法,我覺得非常奇怪。就是潮發線預計,我們現在畫了潮發線,那當然也在這個中央的部分裝了這個分隔島。 |
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那我想部裡面沒有再更具體更能夠一次解決的辦法嗎? |
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我想很重要的就是駕駛者一定要在這一個彎道很彎的地方 |
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當然駕駛人他自己要注意安全沒有錯但是一直在那個地方出現同樣的問題我們是不是要檢討我們這個道路的設計問題 |
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對,阿所以剛才有說他有做相關的這個護欄阿等等阿如果這樣的一個設計還不足以解決這個問題的時候當然要更進一步去看怎麼樣改進還是院長覺得你們有第一個標準我們不知道的就是說我們要事故發生多少次要摔死多少人才願意去改善這個問題沒有,不會這樣子因為台三線本來因為他是比較靠山嘛齁所以他為了這個地形他會比較彎繞這是他天,就是他本身齁跟台一線不一樣的地方 |
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但最重要是管理面比如過去我們在這些彎道的地方也用曲線測速照相讓它減速這樣子啦部長這樣好不好我們早一天我陪你一起去台三線走一走我們去現場看一看看能不能我們來重新調整我們這個彎道的高低差還有線型請部長來協助處理可以嗎如果委員有這個安排我可以去看一下謝謝部長 |
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那當然再來就是我們國道一號羊頭段這個總經費工程經費已經1314億已經訂案了那目前頭份有兩個構想第一個是我看到的是偵測頭份第二交流道的部分將是可行性評估來辦理事實納入本計畫裡面那我想問部長 |
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這個部分有要納入我們這個羊頭段的這個工程裡面嗎?目前是單獨在進行,羊頭是另外那個,就是他所以是分開來做就對了?對對,他現在是個別的部分。那頭份的部分,頭份第二交流道的部分怎麼處理?頭份第二交流道現在進行中,在進行中對對對。那現在進度在哪裡? |
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瞄例縣政府已經完成可行性評估,然後現在是按照審查意見在修正當中。所以這個部分會比羊頭這個高價快還是慢?因為兩個 |
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是分開再處理他應該在119年會完工這個啦就是頭份第2下119羊頭應該比他晚一點羊頭比較長因為他是一個交流道我們希望這個部分盡快因為目前頭份交流道的問題上下車是真的上下班的時候真的是非常的擁擠造成我們民眾非常大的這個不方便請部長多多協助另外我想問一部長就是說全台灣 |
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目前全國大概就是後龍文水這個是因為他當時是沿這個河岸來做的所以他的確不只跟國一、國三也沒交 |
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那另外一條是台六八,台六八已經同意了嗎?對,六八會接這個高架部分,但是這裡談到齊二跟國一他本身齁,您了解齊二跟國一是平行,交接量是平行,然後他有高低的落差齁,在這麼近的距離要追不容易啦。 |
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您可以,不一定要在那一段啊,當然如果說部長有這個心,我們會請苗栗縣政府來做一個完整的一個計畫。您聞聞委包,現在齁,724接到這一個61啦,台61啦。目前要接61。所以他事實上也可以透過這樣一個。他有接到沒錯,但是我們是希望他能夠接到國道。 |
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謝謝部長另外 |
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還有一件事情就是我們竹南投份的人口數一直在成長那目前加起來總共大概有19萬人但是如果我們投份竹南這邊的民眾如果要辦監理站的業務要到苗栗市去那說實在這個路程總共大概要15公里左右那來回大概將近一個小時 |
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因為這樣子非常的不方便那我當然知道現在苗栗縣監理站辦的這個有在頭份室駐點一個月兩次總共四個小時提供檢疫的這個監理服務那衛生所也是一個月四個小時只有照顧這個高齡的這個長者那因為這邊人口數持續的在成長 |
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部裡面是不是可以我們地方來找土地,然後呢部裡面來協助來做一個分站的可能性呢?我這件事情就是說目前是不是先從這個同事公所跟衛生所兩個現在這個就是兩個禮拜等一天,兩個禮拜一天的這種方式 |
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你這樣真派人手不是等於是人手還是要有啊? |
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可是現在就是連兩個禮拜有一天嘛,現在變成完整的一天,那我們就看這個實施有多少人要使用了,如果多的話我們再慢慢的這個比如說增加這個進駐的天數。 |
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你這樣改,我這樣講,你有些在投份,有些在竹南,那你的人力不是就一樣要很多人,如果你在投份竹南中間選一個點,是不是可以節省這個人力,你反而不會這麼麻煩。 |
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看需求,比如說你們現在是苗栗監理站,看需求,如果說未來在桃園竹南有這麼大的需求才有辦法再設一個類似監理站,那目前是不是我們先從派駐人力的方式,如果真的...需求一定很大,這不用考慮的。說要試看看,先試看看。對不對,這個人口數,你看人口數就知道,它未來會更多。 |
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你讓同盟族男子鄉親要從那邊為了辦一個業務通通要跑到監獄站來真的是非常的不方便。如果你分開來兩地來做這個增加這個服務的時間的話,你何不要找一個地方來設置一個分站呢?這個長期好不好,我們現在就是說先這個衛生所這個部分我們先處理。你要增加多少班? |
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目前就是增加也是兩個禮拜增加一個下午然後我們再比如說看那個需求我們再來調整如果真的量到要設立一個監禮帳那時候我們再來進行帳好不好那部長這邊可以承諾嗎可以齁那我們先走第一階段先走第一階段先走好謝謝部長謝謝院長好謝謝好謝謝邱委員政軍的質詢也謝謝陳院長的備詢 |
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接下來我們請登記第6號邱委員自委質詢。 |
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好,謝謝主席。有請行政院陳院長。再請陳院長備選。交通部王部長。請交通部備選。數位部唐部長。請數位部備選。工程會陳主委。請工程會備選。好,主委好。請問一下那個唐部長,這個美國眾議院跟印度也通過禁用抖音, |
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目前數位部的立場還是行政院有沒有立場?會不會跟著就禁用?因為印度把它抖音海外版微信全部都禁。所以這部分目前數位部的你們研究結果怎麼樣?或者有沒有跟院長做一個說明跟報告? |
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謝謝委員吹詢我們現在的策略其實在最近幾年都是一樣的就是境外的敵對勢力他可以實質控制不一定直接控制有時候間接控制不管他註冊在哪裡我們都把它叫做危害國家資通安全產品 |
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就是這個界定是相同至於他涉及就是民間 |
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好比像說哪些部分在學校或在公用場域或其他的關鍵這個基礎設施或者非公務機關等等這個院裡還需要審議。國的立場是說你必須跟他的抖音的母公司必須要切割,如果不切割的話就禁用。那我們做法是一樣嗎?完全相同的,就是只要境外敵對勢力有實質控制,不管中間隔多少層公司,在我們新的資安法裡都定義成危害產品。校園會不會禁用? |
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現在在國中小按照兒童法以我所知就是校園的無線網路等等是不提供的。高中沒有?現在就是如果他是他自己的手機目前在他學校場域裡面收三大電信的訊號這部分還沒有做管制。好謝謝唐部長請回。接著是工程會陳主委,沒有吳主委。主委那個很多歡迎說將對這個罰款的部分預期罰款 |
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在午前比較上線好像是20%嘛大家反應過之後協調過很多次大家的共同全國各縣市的公會的大家共同的心聲希望能夠調降到10%嘛那你們也從善如流也發言給各部門但是執行的狀況不太好很多都沒有配合還是要用20%上線 |
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這個部分我們已經有通函要求,通函他們收到函沒有照做,沒有照做我們會來要求機關。據我了解,很多人跟我反映說,這個通函下去之後並沒有按照你們通函來致敬的很多。 |
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另外就是說這個每日罰款的部分這個公共工程部分是千分之一那不動產這個工會是萬分之五這有差別他們希望能夠一致 |
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聽起來是 |
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| transcript.whisperx[697].text |
謝謝吳主委請回 |
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議長跟部長這個有討論一個大的一個概念大概20幾年前大概30年前李登輝總統任內有推動一個亞太運運中心那時候包括海運中心、製造物中心跟空運中心為什麼空運中心那時候會失敗我個人認為幾個原因第一個航線不足第二個基礎設施不夠第三個香港的競爭力比較強 |
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加上臺灣這個COIN基礎設施的強化 |
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台灣有條件成為亞太的空運中心。我先請教一下王部長,如果你把這個藍圖給你,你要怎麼去達到這個目標? |
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目前的確我們的空運,你剛才講是空運,空運的部分主要是在桃園機場。目前桃園機場包括貨運在過去疫情期間也都沒有什麼降。然後現在包括我們第三航廈第三航廈建了以後,我們認為最重要就是說未來的轉機客。 |
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我們目標要取代香港,香港地位商務課也減少,去香港旅遊很多人都認為說是一國一制,是自由不民主,所以台灣反而是世界上六大洲其他的這些國家,會取代香港成為轉機或者是終點站的一個旅遊點。 |
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我們這個第三航站必須要如期如是完成。基礎設施一定要強化。聯外交通,比方機場捷運我們已經有了。那30年前哪有什麼機場捷運。另外航線的增加,香港EU成立之後還有航線很多。我們目前跟歐洲的關係,跟印度的關係非常好。北美不能講,北美航線大概都過了。 |
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好,歐洲航線只集中在這個中歐跟西歐。南歐當然也有,南歐當然米蘭跟那個羅馬有。我認為你可以運用演演權。比如說你從巴黎或者倫敦再轉飛南歐的這個馬德里或巴塞魯那。你也可以用演演權從巴黎這個或者是從法蘭克飛到這個北歐的哥本哈根。甚至你從東京也可以走。 |
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臺日關係那麼好,臺灣可以飛日本,飛東京或者大阪,再飛這個Helsinki,這也是可行的。看你們要不要去啟動第五航線的談判。如果航線有增加,當然這個轉接意願就增加了。不是轉接意願增加,來台灣旅遊的這個意願就強化了。 |
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所以今天你要戰略思考,臺灣有條件取代香港,成為亞太的空運中心。師長跟委員報告,遠遠前不好談,很簡單,比如說北美飛到我們這個桃園機場,那轉東南亞一定是我們希望我們local的這個我們自己航空公司能飛嘛,所以這個部分需要談判,我覺得你的是好過程,那個需要談判,遠遠前需要談判。 |
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政府已經把這個問題丟給你,但是政府是要解決問題,要創造商機,對不對?我已經把這個概念提供給你,那我覺得應該是可行的。 |
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應當是可行的以目前臺灣的這個不管是國際友好的這個氛圍不管是歐洲跟印度的關係好現在接下來我想討論到印度我們以前飛新德里對不對印度台印有相關密切的這個投資在青奈在南印度這個青奈我們有60%在這個南印度的青奈投資我們現在連一個航點新德里也還沒復航孟買也沒有飛 |
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那我期待說,很多商務客要去的這個清代,你也可以去思考怎麼去增加非印度航線。非印度航線你也可以遠遠到歐洲去,因為印歐的關係非常好,你也要去那裡宿舍。所以印度是很大市場,也是同時這個充沛人力,也是重要的這個旅遊來源國。所以要戰略思考,我認為。 |
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沒錯,我們現在大概這樣,三行下我們有一個想法,就是北美他們要轉東北亞東南亞的hub,會在我們三行下,所以我們現在在這個航空公司的分配大概用這樣的一個方式來處理,那你談到印度的確印度是很大的一個這個空運市場,這個是在我們的航空公司 |
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委員長 |
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我覺得把它當作是這個東亞的這個空運的hub是一個很好的構想但是這個需要像您講的一樣就是要分階段因為我們的那個跑道啦等航廈啦 不用只有藍圖要短期中期場景就是有一個前瞻的看法 |
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由院長召集一個工作小組或是責任交通部來盤點目前相關的政策相關的優點缺點然後注意加強或是強化我們可以請交通部還有民航局這邊來嚴厲看看我們謝謝陳院長陳院長站了一整天謝謝院長請回 |
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好接著討論這個不是部長你還沒王部長我們討論一下這個選區高雄市的幾個重大的交通建設岡山之眼是我爭取對不對第二期希望能夠強化更多的他的這個休閒元素連續兩年被駁回我希望今年第三度 |
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提出申請的時候我請這個共識政府把他提到前面來我希望交通部觀光署能夠全力支持這個岡山之眼因為它曾經是一個旅遊頻道非常讚許的一個旅遊點您去過嗎? |
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您的包括天空步道、迴旋塔、跳井台等等是從無到有,我是從第一樓看到這個就把它蓋完。過去因為他們是比如說這個剛才支援的建設剛才談到天空步道 |
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謝謝應該是有一個好的結果 |
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捷運子縣你知道捷運子縣是什麼時候嗎?我知道就以前大學縣嗎?是是是現在捷運子縣臨近這個北邊的這個鵝鸟鵝鸟漁港現場你也知道很多這個你有沒有去過鵝鸟漁港?有有有當然有嘛所以平常日這個假日這個人潮眾多所以這邊高雄市一個最重要的觀光旅遊景點而且也有上下班的這個通勤需求因為你這個路橋就要隔壁嘛 |
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所以我希望說地方上很多的期待就是說能夠把這個子縣設立一個鵝鴨寮漁港支線。至少有捷運有支線的例子有很多。我希望這個交通部能夠去評估。那個...呃...迪縣他現在沒有走這邊齁,他現在是走這個比較南邊啦,沒有到你的北邊去。你不要說現在沒有走這邊,你說未來可能我們要規劃走這邊,我這樣我才能回去跟我的選民交代啊。 |
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當然當然額拉了是很重要我覺得但是這個部分要跟這個高雄市政府討論因為現在我們補助他一千多萬的規劃可行性要怎麼改變 |
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另外這個北高雄財務委員群你知道齁?還是有講縣嘉興跟嘉峪浪拓寬 |
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那個一個battle neck非常嚴重,超發的A1車禍,這個一定要拓寬,這拓寬希望說公路局能夠趕快啟動相關的這個拓寬的這個相關的計畫,逐步去推動。另外台39線也是我們爭取,台39線往南經過這個路竹、阿聯、岡山到這個仁武,總共分4個段。 |
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那我目前優先段是放在橋頭跟園區那一段,那我希望北高雄園區就是環球路出來到這個岡山這個北高雄園區這個部分交通部也可以把它列為優先的路段,這樣可以嗎? |
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可是現在因為我們整段在就是整段在做啦所以現在也在做這個綜合規劃跟環評的招標作業 |
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我是怕那個內容 不會 不會 我們都開過會的 可以同時啟動 只要你政策支持我就可以同時啟動 因為慢不得 如果一慢 那個整個北高雄全部這個大打結 |
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您談到的南延到高雄財業延期要不要優先,我再跟我們公路局討論一下。另外台69線,就是濱海國道,也是我徵詢。不好意思,規格專門客戶,我提案多次質詢希望是往南延,延到高雄、中央、南馬溪,當然經過嘉庭、平和、珠光。那我希望說這個路段已經有了,我希望你可以採取B2路段。 |
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這部分部長再去研究一下。謝謝邱委員自委的質詢,也謝謝交通部的答詢。報告委員會 |
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本日排定質詢的委員均已質詢完畢。謝謝陳院長以及相關部會首長列席答詢。先來做以下的決定。下次會議繼續進行交通組織質詢。繼續處理復議案。本院民進黨黨團針對第4次會議報告事項第7案之決定提出復議請公決案。 |
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做以下之決定,令定期處理。報告委員會本次會議進行到此為止,現在散會。謝謝大家。 |