| IVOD_ID |
15734 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/15734 |
| 日期 |
2024-03-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-15-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期內政委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期內政委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-03-18T08:31:37+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-03-18T13:11:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
04:39:23 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/eeffa975d6a1e3ea3e43fff42b9abd610a73ccf8a48a70923be8d109af184be4dd65e936c79acf265ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-03-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：邀請內政部部長率同所屬列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。【3月18日及20日二天一次會】） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:31:37 - 13:11:00 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第6次全體委員會議議事錄時間113年3月13日星期三上午9時1分至12時48分地點紅樓202會議室出席委員蔓玉珍委員等11人列席委員羅志強委員等17人請假委員李博義委員等3人列席官員海洋委員會主任委員管碧玲及相關人員農業部漁業署署長張志聖及相關人員主席吳釗棋委員齊銘 |
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報告事項一宣讀上次會議議事錄決定確定二處理113年度中央政府總預算有關海洋委員會及所屬預算凍結書面報告案及二案一海洋委員會含為113年度中央政府總預算決議檢送該會決議一海洋業務運算凍結50萬元書面報告請查照案二海洋委員會含為113年度中央政府總預算決議 |
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解送海洋保育署決議因海洋保育業務預算凍結50萬元書面報告請查照案。決定以上二案書面報告均已送達,預算得以動之擬據報告提報院會。3.邀請海洋委員會主任委員率同所屬列席報告業務概況．並備質詢。包括事項與討論事項和並詢答。委員楊瓊英說明提案要指海洋委員會主任委員管碧玲報告。 |
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委員蔓玉珍等14人質詢．分別由海洋委員會主任委員．管弊鄰居相關人員．及農業部漁業署署長張志聖答覆說明決定一登記發言委員除不在場者外其餘均已發言完畢．詢答結束二委員蘇巧慧．高金素梅丁學忠及陳冠廷等4人所提書面質詢列入記錄看登工報 |
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łec 3 住院質詢及未及答覆部分請相關機關於一周內另以書面答覆並複製本會討論事項一審查海洋委員會涵為113年度中央政府總預算決議檢送海巡署及所屬決議一海巡業務預算凍結50萬元書面報告請查照案決議本案同意動之擬據報告提報院會二海洋保育法草案一審查行政院涵清審議海洋保育法草案 |
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而審查委員楊瓊英等20人離去海洋保育法草案案。決議海洋保育法草案等二案均另定期繼續審查。條文及修正動議均與宣讀完畢。請問各位委員上一次的會議意思錄有沒有錯誤或者是遺漏的地方?請問一下。 |
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好那麼如果我們確定的話我們就是意思錄確定繼續進行本日議程報告事項請宣讀邀請內政部部長率同所屬列席報告業務概況並備質詢宣讀完畢好我們現在介紹一下在場的委員我們在場的委員有王美媛委員蘇巧慧委員早黃婕委員 |
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1901.772 |
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1928.493 |
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李博義委員現在我們再繼續介紹一下在場的列席官員今天列席的官員有我們內政部林祐昌部長民政司鄭英宏代理司長護政司陳子和代理司長地政司王全基司長 |
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1930.848 |
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1950.04 |
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合作及人民團體司林福來司長。宗教及理智司林清奇司長。議政司沈哲芳司長。綜合規劃司王明正司長。資訊服務司黃國鈺司長。秘書處施明次處長。人事處林翠玲處長。 |
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1962.113 |
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1972.022 |
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政分處歐建智處長會計處徐守國處長統計處饒智堅處長法治處鄭信偉處長國土管理署吳興修署長陳香芳分署分署長林秉勛 |
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1991.738 |
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2009.891 |
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國家公園署署長陳茂春肯定國家公園管理處處長陳勤龍玉山國家公園管理處處長盧淑飛陽明山國家公園管理處處長楊茉琳泰魯閣國家公園管理處處長楊金珍 |
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2019.403 |
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2045.364 |
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學霸國家公園管理處處長林文和基門國家公園管理處處長鄭瑞昌海洋國家公園管理處處長徐昭良台江國家公園管理處處長謝偉松國家資產公園管理處處長張登文土地重化工程處處長林慶林 |
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2049.578 |
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2075.91 |
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國土策會中心主任鄭采棠建築研究所所長王榮進警政署署長黃明昭督察室主任嚴旺盛刑事警察局副局長黃任聰中央警察大學校長楊元明 |
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2089.739 |
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消防署署長 蕭煥章移民署署長 鍾景坤空中勤務總隊總隊長 景延淵 |
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2094.907 |
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2096.628 |
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6分鐘必要的時候延長兩分鐘然後非本會委員 |
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2144.28 |
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6分鐘然後上午10點30分我們截止發言登記臨時提案截止提出的時間是10點在本會委員會詢答結束之後我們來處理臨時提案請問各位委員有沒有意見好謝謝委員會現在我們就進行詢答請登記第一位的舒巧慧不好意思還有後面 |
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好,我們現在請部會來做業務報告我們林部長您大概想要幾分鐘?好,給你五分鐘時間好不好?好,我們給五分鐘部長時間讓他做業務報告 |
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2170.368 |
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2184.629 |
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主席各位委員先進今天曾邀來報告內政部業務概況深感榮幸在各位的桌上有完整的一個書面報告以下請就口頭做重點的一個說明 |
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2186.601 |
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2200.339 |
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我想在疫情之後本部透過專案的方式照顧中低新房貸主並且協助教育部門提供大專院校學生住宿補助等不同的福利措施減輕民眾及青年學子的經濟壓力 |
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2201.661 |
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2204.224 |
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另外與國安團隊針對今年總統副總統以及立委選舉加強安全維護即查獲會選選舉賭盤境外勢力借選網路假訊息等案件總計有937件來確保整個選舉平安平穩平順的完成 |
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2222.745 |
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2236.898 |
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另外面對國際情勢的快速變動本部也廣納各界的一個意見來持續進行各項的政策措施以下僅就三大面向跟各位委員先進來做說明 |
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2239.249 |
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2256.615 |
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首先感謝大院委員先進支持槍砲彈藥刀械管制條例在今年的1月3日修正公佈完備槍砲彈藥管制的措施加重公然開槍刑罰二指非法改造槍枝跑竄 |
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2258.135 |
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2272.204 |
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並且來維護社會的治安此外為了防堵詐欺的犯罪擴大公司協力與民間共同推動金流防護網等各項防詐措施在去年全班詐欺犯罪破獲306,280件 |
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2275.726 |
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2300.359 |
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本部將持續與各部會來合作來全力打擊黑金毒槍炸等等的這些犯罪的樣態來讓國人安心讓民眾安定的生活要為了打擊人口犯疫份子並且強化被害人的保護服務我們在今年1月1日修正通過了人口 |
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2304.335 |
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2321.809 |
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我們通過了人口翻譯防治法此外為防範國人遭誘騙到國外﹐定定的國人與海外遭人口翻譯及其他被害或被迫從事犯罪之反國保護專案工作指引﹐截至今年3月3日為止協處被害的國人總計有356人 |
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2325.052 |
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2353.651 |
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此外另一方面為了提升全社會防疫能力．結合各地方政府警察機關辦理民力多元招募工作．並就協情民力來爭取協情費用．增添裝備等福利另外也在民防的長年訓練中來融入競賽活動．以利推動民防團隊的招募任務在防救災的部分本部為了提升企業重視場區安全及風險管理研修消防法等相關規定 |
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2355.052 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
2379.659 |
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加強規範業者落實設備維護與安全管理責任及其行則．並精進吹哨者獎勵機制以強化企業自主防災能力此外為了進一步升職企業災害防救的意識結合ESG精神規劃推動職場消防安全SDGS |
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2380.899 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
2397.049 |
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接入實務建議指南來協助大型企業將防災、減災、安全事項納入永續報告書引領企業投入防護安全工作以深化企業永續治理的文化 |
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2399.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
2416.976 |
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另外也非常感謝大院委員鼎力支持住宅法．在去年12月6日修正公佈．來鼓勵更多房東投入公寓出租人的行列．並且同時擴大了育兒家庭居住的保障．那截至今年2月底為止已經合訂租金補貼約是3萬戶． |
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2419.097 |
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2420.358 |
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總體的社會住宅措施﹚ |
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2442.139 |
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2461.128 |
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為了呼應淨零碳排的政策引導建築淨零轉型我們在去年7月份實施建築能效評估及標示制度並且在社會住宅及公辦都跟建築全面來導入新建住宅能效標示一級截至今年2月底為止通過認可的既有25件 |
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2473.225 |
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並且與地方政府來合辦22場的說明會．來擴散公有建築能效評估的範例．共同朝向淨零永續的目標來邁進此外在主席好謝謝 |
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2481.486 |
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2499.009 |
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此外在通行環節上面本部也積極落實行政院的措施然後來推動以人為本的新交通文化那同時也推動行人交通安全設施條例的立法透過與中央和地方系統性的中長期改善計劃來落實道安的目標 |
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2500.691 |
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2529.127 |
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這個條例的草案已經經行政院在今年3月7日含送大院審議也懇請各位委員能夠大力的支持在深化民主方面我們凝聚了禁止酷刑及其他殘忍不人道或有入人格之待遇或處罰公約及其認責議定書的施行法草案將聯合國禁止酷刑公約國內法化來接軌國際另外入出國籍移民法已經採二階段來施行 |
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2529.767 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
2539.636 |
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那在有關於民眾福祉部分鬆綁停居留強化婚姻移民家庭團聚權等規範已經在今年的1月份優先上路來施行 |
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2540.888 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
2567.807 |
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而在於強化人流安全管理相關處罰及收容新制的部分：也在今年3月正式來施行本部將會繼續的來辦理相關的教育訓練增進基層執法的專業打造友善的移民還有攬財的環境此外在民間組織育成上面我們在去年內政部組織法通過成立合作事業及人民團體司 |
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2569.626 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
2590.776 |
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我們也在去年完成合作事業推動地方創生輔導事辦計劃．提供育成輔導的多元協助除外本部目前也在行政院的一個指示之下結合各相關部會成立主管部門的合作事業推廣專案小組來共同營造有利合作事業發展的環境 |
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2591.576 |
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2608.448 |
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最後,在協助宗教團體發展部分,我們在去年12月召開宗教事務諮詢委員會議,瞭解各教團的實際需求,並且已經定型頒布獎補助的規定,來協助地方政府加速輔導宗教團體 |
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| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
2631.978 |
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保全不動產權．至目前照3月12日為止已經有559家宗教團體申請總計有3127筆不動產權歸屬的審論那最後感謝大任在上會期通過多項攸關人民權益還有本部組織改造的相關法案以上報告敬請各位委員先進指教謝謝 |
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2635.339 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
2642.285 |
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好非常謝謝部長在這邊的業務報告我們繼續就開始我們的詢答我們請第一位舒巧惠委員好謝謝主席我們請林耀昌林部長有請林部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
2658.413 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
2681.391 |
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你好部長好部長今天是首次在內政部內政委員會這邊跟您做請教那也想要問一下您剛剛在這個口頭報告當然說了很多但我想要請教的是書面報告你說的也就口頭報告你沒有說到我想請教書面報告說到你提到了這個警政業務當中其實有一項是保護婦幼人身安全沒有錯吧是 |
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| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
2711.732 |
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在第28月有提到嘛那在這裡面你有說到在112年也就是去年度我們通報的兒少保護案件有15808件脆弱家庭呢有5566件這個脆弱家庭應該是只涵蓋在兒少保護案裡面嘛對不對這裡的用語是這樣好那我就直接請教你請問我們之前日前在講的這個重大的兒女案件也就是凱凱案哪有沒有在這裡面 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
2713.813 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
2714.814 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
創業家庭通報有哪些要件? |
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2736.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
2762.198 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
應該按照法規規定的話其實他有一定的規定嘛對不對其實是欸我們看下一頁好不好對啊我們根據兒少全法的話錯落家庭有一定的定義那本件就我們現在從新聞上面列舉得知的部長你現在看法規這本件算不算錯落家庭算吧 |
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| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
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因為如果以本件我們從假設啦我們假設這個新聞報導的都是確定的的話那麼第一個嘛這個他很有可能他的父親父親的這個部分因為就是有在服役服刑的狀況嘛然後母親的狀況以及祖母家庭經濟狀況都符合這脆弱家庭這裡面的這三項八項裡面有三項是符合的啊 |
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不是這樣嗎?那為什麼會沒有通報呢?警政部門的通報在勤務中有發現比如說戶口查查或執勤的時候發現要通報給主管機關這個主管機關是地方來講是社會局 |
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是 所以在這個地方我們這個額略的案件其實現在已經有兩大主管部門嘛一個等於是內政部這邊在警政知道的這狀況之下其實你們是知悉嘛或者是受到通報的時候你們等於是有點被動接受當然你們在訪查的時候在任何狀況下看到的時候其實你們根據額少權法你們也是義務通報人之一啦之一其實根據這個額少權法有非常多的義務通報人那你們只是之一 |
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所以現在的主管單位其實是衛福部這邊的社政單位吧我的理解是這樣應該沒有錯嘛對不對可是就你們的了解就你現在判讀法規我剛剛請你判讀的是依照這個法規而照全法來講這個案件本身應該是脆弱交替應該沒有問題嘛對不對好 |
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可是我們再根據後面的狀況來看的話其實脆弱家庭當社政單位窒息之後其實也會通知回內政部對嗎這句話對嗎 |
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因為你們其實也有欸你們其實每年在內政部每年在行政院提報的施政計畫當中也公佈在內政部的網站施政計畫當中會說為了保護婦幼兒上安全落實脆弱家庭通報其實也在內政部我是請內部長 |
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也在你們的部門有啊所以意思是說脆弱家庭並不是你們主動發掘瞭解知道了之後可是其實應該回到你們這邊要跟警政單位有溝通啊為什麼呢因為脆弱家庭的要提供我現在就是看到這個嘛這個脆弱家庭之兒童及少年通報諧詢及資料收集處理利用辦法 |
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當然他是在這個衛福部的社會及家庭目下面他是根據兒少全法規定的可是他在這個根據下面的定義以及哪一些單位對這些脆弱家庭需要有照護等等其實警政單位也有相當多的事情是需要跟脆弱家庭需要能夠有互動要提供幫助的不是這樣嗎 |
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通報回來是合理的啊我跟委員報告我們警政單位通報回到我們這邊一個聯繫主要就是我們警察是提供比如說他在有人身安全保護上面需要那至於那個個案以及家庭的一個支持這部分應該是回歸到其實部長我今天要請教你的就是通報的部分啦通報的部分好那我現在問你如果民眾發現有逆遏事件的話他是打110還是113 |
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按照政府的規定現在最希望是打113啦對不對但是邀要動也可以接啦只是他又要通報回社政系統嘛對不對好我今天為什麼跟您請教這個其實因為我上一屆四年都在未還我們處理社政系統很多但是我必須說我們看到社會的真實面向上面就是大家發現有這種案件的時候第一個想到的還是打電話給警察啦 |
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老實講就是這樣啦第一線還是打電話給警察好那他就會變成剛剛說未報案的有報案的那有報案的警察接到了之後緊急的他會立即聯繫社工然後做後面評估然後如果要馬上出動其實也是要拜託警政系統的警察然後他就變成是一個重大案件等等就下去了嘛那要不急的話警政單位接到了通報之後也是要做成記錄並且通報社政單位然後讓社政去處理 |
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後面如果又有需要再回過頭來又是到警政所以可見呢這樣的一個兒女愛的案件裡面其實社政跟警政是密不可分的啊我這句話部長你同意嗎社政跟警政對兒女愛就是密不可分的是當然沒錯嘛因為剛剛在講我們最重要的就是要提供人身的一個安全的保護 |
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是在第一你會在接收通報的時候出現第二在遇有緊急狀況的時候你必須協同社工一起去嘛第三甚至是在事後在必要的時候你在收集案件證據等等的時候資料選取的資料協處的時候警政也會發生也會發揮非常大的功能這點也沒錯吧 |
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如果有需要修正的部分有需要修正的部分嗎?當它變成重大案件需要修正的時候了?對,會來協助好,那可是其實在本件啊據我們在網路上面看到有一個是有一個網友他說我這個犯案件啊我知道可能是本件相關的額內的哭聲影片他打電話到110告知了此事那得到的回覆是什麼? |
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他是這樣說的啦我不知道是不是真實但是網友得到的回覆是請你將此案件送到地檢署長首長信箱到時候如果需要影片會再跟他聯繫你覺得這個打法對嗎 |
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我想這個是明顯不妥的可能不妥吧應該是不妥吧因為警政機關就有一段文字他說請民眾勇於發揮雞婆好鄰居關鍵不忍假的角色發現需要的弱勢錯誤家庭及恩怨案件可以適時通報110和113所以你剛剛的那個資料可以提供給我們可以一步查證好我要說的是這樣子其實我覺得這個 |
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我今天在這裡的時候我其實是想跟警政署和內政部警政署這邊說其實警察同仁真的非常辛苦 |
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因為我們上一屆在未來的時候深深知道所有的人所有案件都丟到警察這邊去而且你看他剛剛有三個階段其實你們也已經做了很多所以我主張的是如果有做的警政機關應該要把警察做的拿出來告訴大家其實我們做了這麼多你的辛苦要讓國民知道 |
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但如果像剛剛這個萬一真的是有落高企有做得不夠好當然應該改進這樣兩邊合起來我覺得額內案件才能夠有被處理完善的部分啦那當然我本來還想要講到組織阿等等之類的不過主席已經站起來那我們就留著我們未來再繼續討論我認為額內的部分其實確實兩邊的銜接是最重要的部分這一點跟平常糾結啦好謝謝委員 |
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有請部長 |
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委員長部長在去年也是這個場合我有跟部長我們有討論過這個涉宅輪候制是否應區分六都及非六都然後未來是不是要擴大適用輪候制向部長請教 |
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那時候部長有回答說應該做一個適當的區分畢竟六都的需求也不太一樣我不知道這一段時間我們有沒有做了一些檢討或什麼是 謝謝我請吳署長先做說明 |
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北北及桃宜 |
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． |
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續續討或是逐逐秒他也會設立一個生活圈以此類推把全台灣劃分成6個大的生活圈來做處理那這樣的話涉宰的分部會更能夠掌握實際大家通勤跟居住的一個行為的需要 |
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所以有在做檢討啦齁好那另外啊齁我們這個啊這個租屋優化的這個齁雖然這個問題沒有說很明顯啦齁但我不知道這個署長你是不是知道啊齁我們之前我們都跟我們那個房客說啊齁我們不用啊齁跟房東講我們就可以直接處理齁對不對但欸 |
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有些房東沒有繳納房屋稅或什麼被全數退回的這個我們要怎麼處理跟委員報告那個是在111年的確我們第一次開始推的時候沒有到很精準沒有到很精準那所以當時那時候也還沒有講就是不用經過房東同意但是後來發現有一些是因為他的房屋沒有稅籍 |
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或實際上沒有做就是說實際上他的分區不是做居住在使用的那所以這個部分大概全國有大概有180幾件那這一些我們後來因為當時的規定的確是怕說有這個幽靈戶口的做法所以當時規定的比較嚴格 |
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我們在112年開始就把這個條件更放寬只要實際上有居住行為也涵蓋現在的所謂的違建頂加通通都列進去所以在112年這些案子就沒有再發生了所以更為保證我們有中間有再做一些改進 |
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所以這一百八十幾件其實沒有問題了吧沒有就是照一百一十一年的規定他還是要退回但是他如果一百一十二年申請再來補稅那就沒有問題我的意思是說他如果同樣的條件他在一百一十二年一百一十三年之後重新申請就沒有問題啦對而且上次也提到就是說這些就是已經這個房屋稅的就是稅籍有沒有還有這個也不得作為查稅的依據所以也不會再出現這個一個狀況 |
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重點就是沒有問題了啦 對不對沒有問題的話喔要跟大家講啊我們現在這邊討論沒有但很多年輕人不知道啊就是這個有問題造成他不敢申請 |
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我今天問你就是我遇到好幾個例子人家問我們服務組阿這樣到底可不可以申請阿所以我是覺得啦這樣沒有問題我們應該就大聲講吧在你們的網站問什麼阿讓人家知道讓年輕人知道年輕人不一定看新聞當然又看你們網站阿 |
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| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
我覺得這一部分可能是要讓大家要去了解好不好 |
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| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
3505.234 |
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另外部長,你前一陣子就有說我們這個改革方案公設比可以降到25、30%了,這個部長你覺得這個可以解決所有的問題了嗎? |
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這一部分這兩個措施因為我們最主要是兩個措施第一個是這個車道的車位的專有登記還有這個車道的負擔的部分另外就是在這個免計容積的部分做一些變革 |
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那這個大概可以大幅的去改善就是可以增加民眾在實際購物時候所買得的這個實際的一個評數但你說他能不能解決所有的問題因為所有問題也許包括房價等等他當然不可能解決所有問題但是他會解決這個所謂增加時評這個民眾很關心的這個問題 |
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我知道部長其實時間的關係我擔心的一個就是說如果這個會不會造成這個 |
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| transcript.whisperx[82].end |
3591.958 |
| transcript.whisperx[82].text |
你要比較多的食品或什麼造成這個等於單品的售價會提高實際上並不會關於物價的調漲這個我跟你講建商會不會這樣子我們可能要預先預防建商可能有一百種理由他就會提高這個我只要提醒這個我覺得這個很有可能發生我們要及早預防 |
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3621.469 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
我跟委員報告其實我們最近都有跟不動產界還有業者來做一些溝通跟討論基本上大家在瞭解之後是可以理解那也知道說這樣子可以避免有一些不肖的建商在過去會用所謂的慣需品或者說車道兩賣的這個狀況所以他會讓整個的一個制度更加的一個公平我跟這位委員提到的這個部分我們會特別注意 |
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3643.46 |
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好 謝謝另外這個上個禮拜大家都在關注這個那個幼童凱凱的事件我在這邊要跟部長說一下就是說其實我們業務裡面新住民是我們的業務新住民相對的來說有很多他也是社會的弱勢 |
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3661.507 |
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那像這種情況我覺得也有可能會發生因為你的新住民其實的離婚啊什麼的情況也很多那就變成單親變成什麼的那他們的第二代我們的新二代也有可能會遇到這些問題 |
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| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
我在這邊我是要提醒部長跟我們署長對於這個問題已經發生了我們應該馬上就要內政部我們應該要有我們的規範我們的措施我們要去預防這件事情在新住民的小孩子身上發生我在這邊不知道部長你跟我的看法有沒有一致我想這部分是毋庸置疑的 |
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3713.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[87].text |
那我們有沒有馬上去開會去檢討說有哪些要趕快去做的哪些要去補強的你可以請署長回答其實這個事情一發生之後院裡面就有這個邀請相關的一個部會做相關的精進的一個討論細節的部分我請署長簡單做說明署長我就要說對於新住民的部分我說這一塊 |
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3733.55 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
對於新住民的這個部分因為有可能有這個脆弱的這個屬性的這個家庭那因為我們有這個基金的部分是有在補助各縣市都有設立新住民家庭服務中心那我們的各縣市的服務站也都有聘請專業的 |
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3735.852 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
我只有一句話啦 |
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非常謝謝張宏祿委員的質詢 謝謝 |
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謝謝部長謝謝組長謝謝繼續我們請徐宇貞委員來質詢主席請我們林佑昌部長有請林部長 |
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部長我想請教你在107年12月底的時候當時的行政院長也就是現在的總統當選人賴清德開始推動智慧政府的發展藍圖那內政部也在108年的1月31號提報數位身份證換發的計劃同年的6月呢行政院通過4年總經費48.9億元的計劃那依據內政部112年度的決算報告來看 |
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內政部新市徵認證換發的計劃109年到112年累積編列的預算數為8億6504萬8千元那截至112年指呢累計執行數為7億1223萬7千元另外我可以查到的還有在 |
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一百零九年度中央硬製廠也編列了四億一千八百零四萬五千元所以兩者合計呢總計是十一億三千零二十八萬兩千元那今年一月初呢公共工程委員會也跟數位生產的代表廠商完成了仲裁的協議同意二點八億元的和解如果再加上這筆和解金的話 |
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我們為了數位身份證要支出的經費是14億1028萬元本席要請教林部長本席算這個數字正不正確 |
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因為這邊是執行數我想執行數就是已經執行出去的那我們大概有幾個部分一個是投入的這個廠房還有設備另外有一些耗材然後另外還有每年的一個維護的費用所以說我剛剛提了依您的決算報告的14億的這個部分的數字是正確的喔 |
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我們部的部分是7億多我想這個決算的部分應該是確定的好你們部是7億多那因為要執行這個計畫中央運製廠編列了4億多也不算在這個計畫當中嗎 |
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應該是算吧我想整個支出的經費就是14億我請那個民政司那好等一下我想等一下再一起說明部長您在接受媒體的時候有說賠償2.8億已經是最好的結果您的說詞是不是要誤導民眾認為我們只支出了為了這個做錯誤的政策支出2.8億那這是最好的結果嗎那如果 |
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這個是最好的結果那最壞的結果是什麼 |
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會不會再增加經費呢?會不會再增加經費呢?會不會再增加經費呢? |
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您知道嗎?其實我認識很多的年輕人他們現在工作之後面對低薪、高物價、高房價所以他到了月底的時候幾乎就沒有辦法正常的三餐的支出要不然就吃泡麵要不然一天只吃一餐那你說2.8億已經是最好的結果我覺得這樣對我們一般的老百姓跟一般的民眾真的是一個很不負責任的講法 |
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那我覺得以這個部分來說我還看到你們在內政部113年度預算編列了支付新式身份證印製設備暫停執行之必要費用還要6375萬9千元請問一下部長這個是什麼樣的一個狀況 |
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我想這是我們未來這個我們未來要支付就是可以支付的一個費用但他並不一定是暫停執行之必要的費用因為這些最低的費用因為這些 |
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這些機器你還是必須要維護,你還必須要讓它維持是良好的一個狀態。沒有終止是暫停。 |
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那請問什麼時候會再恢復?這個就是因為當初這個案子有兩個決議第一個就是要成立一個專責獨立的一個機關第二個就是我們要有一個各自的一個專法這個暫停之後會到什麼時候會再度執行? |
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請問到時候那些設備還可以用嗎?你現在每年花6,375萬在維護這些設備到時候也許你是5年之後才會再執行而到時候也沒有辦法這些設備沒有辦法再用了那你這每年還要花那麼多錢的去維護這些可能未來根本用不到的設備請問這樣是不是也是在浪費我們的功能?我要跟你報告如果是計畫重新啟用的話這些機器跟設備還有耗材它一定可以用 |
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部長我覺得喔你是為了在掩護喔我這個賴清德總統他之前在擔任行政院長的一個說法在這邊感覺上面是為了保住自己的官位所以刻意說賠償2.8億元已經是最好的結果而沒有講出實際上政府已經支付的費用我剛剛已經提到了 |
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在決算報告我已經幫你算出來了我們到目前為止已經為了這個錯誤的政策實際支付已經超過14億元所以部長你要不要為這個事情做道歉呢所以你覺得為了這個事情 |
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因為做了錯誤的政策而浪費了公帑14億元你們覺得不用道歉嗎?委員這是一個這是一個延續性的政策我覺得這個是非常適合的一個做法本期希望針對這個政策你們一定要提出道歉 |
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本席也認為其實你為了要掩護自己這種錯誤的政策故意誤導民眾這個2.8億元只是賠償這樣的金額我覺得真的已經是非常失質了我們在之前其實都已經說明過了 |
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另外我還要再問您的就是說現在有許多年輕人連男女朋友都不敢交只想當一個躺平族那年輕人的流行語是不婚不生快樂一生請問林部長有聽過嗎年輕人不婚不生對未來可以說是非常的非常對我們國家可以說是非常的痛苦的但是現在的年輕人他們有一個三部政策就是不生小孩不買房子 |
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還有不結婚請問內政部有什麼策略可以改善這年輕人的三不政策嗎?謝謝委員的詮詢整個的一個這個政策主責是在國發會那我們內政部可以負責的部分或者是主責的部分是在社會住宅的一個提供 |
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所以剛剛報告的裡面也有提到直接興建社會住宅或者是包住代管或者是提供租金的補助都是現在正在提供的我想這時間可能不夠讓我在這邊聽您回答所以是不是會後可以請內政部針對您剛剛講的社會住宅或是抑制房價這相關的對策跟做法的資料提供給委員會好嗎是沒有問題好謝謝好謝謝委員 |
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好,非常謝謝徐域臻委員的質詢。謝謝部長。謝謝。好,我們繼續請王美惠委員質詢。我們待會在黃建斌委員質詢結束之後呢,我們休息五分鐘,讓大家這個上一下洗手間。好,謝謝。主席,謝謝。我們請保定。好,有請部長。 |
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主席,我們要先探討的就是剛才有說到數位新聞局的問題。我們是在中央會議也有說出治安的環節。在這裏面,我們是最了解在馬英九總統做的時候 |
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已經要做新聞局的事務委員：但議員在裡面也是很鼓勵大家都願意來做這個問題：是怎樣到現在的時候 有人說要暫停：是甚麼原因 來部長你回答一下 |
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我認為最主要是社會對資訊安全的事情有更高的要求因為以前你提到的社會身份證也是自衛國家的一個象徵不過未來社會上會有不同的原因 |
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主席在這裏請教在這個規定當中應該不可以落下 |
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這個過程從你吃到現在,不要說什麼人吃到,從你臨部長吃到現在,你不要去奴隸這件事嗎?是,委員報告,因為這個會議的展出是你先進來的,我吃的時候最主要就是你處理,如何將這個我們要補充的經驗,讓它越來越好 |
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這樣就是你吃的時候已經想說要暫停了啦我吃的時候正確一定是暫停啦暫停嘛齁在這裡我先跟你講的就是說暫停的當中議員委員我也有說治安是最重要的因為 |
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在最近這幾天的時候：有一些我們的主流：外社的時候：有說是你們後勤的問題：在這裏面本身要跟你提議的：就是說跟你請教的：在我們全台灣中央有什麼人有發動：在你們的後勤的主流：在你的單位沒有來 |
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你回答一下委員你說第二天的...第二天的單位有所有全台灣的補正的資料有第二天的單位有這個資料嗎?就是這個問題啦我們補正會議的系統是除了我們中央之外全國連線第二天的每一年我們中央有70多個機關及單位都有齁 |
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因為內政部偷這個資料要用去做其他的一個加值的運用因為部長我是要怎麼來請教這個因為當局一來打架也好 詐騙集團也好 打豬的片也好 都是因為 |
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有主流、個人的主流：卡定位也好：傳證信也好：包括本席現在的所居來賓：還說競議你：求到你可貸款三百萬：我今天來一個月：跟幾百塊我理性而已：：到現在還說有喔： |
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結果你來想想,我們的資料是如何經常有,再來第二點,不要說民意代表留意什麼人多大,最近你看這樣強迫的定位也好,郵政也好,你們的作為是什麼,讓社會說實在亂糙糙啦 |
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身為一個執政黨的．是應該愛辣事處理好．理解如何．在剛才的報告．跟本席所了解．你看你們的詐騙集團的．看配多少．在這兩天．四五十月．你奉陪的．公社的署長． |
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你剛才聽部長說的說啊有知道這裡三萬五千隻、三萬六千隻有負責,負責是要如何? |
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如果一一退回來還要緊嗎? |
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委員你說得正確,我們內政部警察最主要是這個騙人騙這個詐騙,但是更重要的是源頭的管理,就是說因為現在都是科技嘛,都是無國界、無差別的公職。對阿,以前都說要科技用就好,要保安,還是要做什麼,還可以那麼大位,結果每次都看起來,每天都很了解, |
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講實在,你若在街上接到白色來聽證﹖有的是到處去奉陪你﹖有的是退休﹖想說我們來到處借﹖有的人說趕快不要貪心就好了﹖就不會去奉陪你了﹖什麼人不想說我們多少錢賺一個錢﹖還強加我們的生活﹖我知道這是﹖ |
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內政部的立定就是高利貸的認證項目 |
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阿不要怕說他這個好像被詐騙了：然後被笑因為齁這就跟咱們你放在COVID-19一樣你丟這個這個武漢肺炎丟這個肺炎這個你就要知道說現在傳染的途徑是什麼所以我們非常歡迎說民眾歡迎出來這樣才可以靠譜說其他的人不去示範我叫我本來就在這裡要說白色紅皮理論不 |
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昨年的時候這部分已經改善了。第一就是你銀行端就炸掉了。第二就是你圈存,就是說你如果可以叫詐騙集碼回出去了,我們可以在國分金裡面轉移回出的錢來幫你綁住。要跟你講這個就是說,白色鎖定金來付不出的。 |
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是完全是無法討討回來有你們說的 他說我們是要解決問題啦 是只要可以找回來 是你們本來就是要做的 只是在明年有無討回來 是要怎樣去協助他們才重要啦 我如果要聽你說真的會討討回來 我今天不用站在這裡跟你說啦 是要說 |
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國土委書長來,關鍵 |
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市長本來要說你們的租金這個問題亂糟糟 跟補助人 跟補助人現在又說你們的規格不符合 你們要再想辦法 尤其你們的美意 最後會說 你們如果可以過 你們必須穿過身穿的可以過 我可以過 以後補助到 |
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我本席在當會期也要說 交易宣判就是要由那時候開始上去 我知道你們很認真 但是在很認真的當中 當中你們審核不對的 一天限制 還要叫人退給你們 我覺得實在審核這個機制 要趕快去處理 |
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謝謝王美暉委員的質詢 謝謝部長接下來請高金素美召集委員質詢 |
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謝謝我們今天主席,有請林部長。請林創部長,謝謝。部長早安。您看一下我今天的POINT上面有寫,蕭總統他在2016年他曾經向原住民道歉。他提過台灣號稱是多元文化的社會,但是一直到今天原住民族的健康、教育、 |
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經濟生活政治參與還有許多層面的指標仍然跟非原住民族存在著落差我非常贊同蔡總統對於原住民現況的這樣子的描述而這些落差呢就必須要各部會一起來努力來彌補你同意嗎 |
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我完全同意好尤其在內政部是第一大部裡面有關於內政的問題原住民族的問題非常多所以我要好幾個問題今天要就教你第一個議題就是目前地方制度法第33條的條文僅僅對於平地原住民有明確的參政權的保障 |
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每1500個人至少有一席的平地原住民的議員或者是明代的席次然而3地原住民卻沒有保障然後以部長你熟悉的基隆市為主基隆市3地原住民目前有1541人了他們被迫只能投給不熟悉原住民需求的漢人的議員候選人這種間接剝奪3地原住民參政權的制度您是不是認為應該修法 |
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我的調查再稍微講一下目前有3個縣市跟9個鄉鎮市區是有類似的情況我也已經提案要修法了是不是請部長我們一起來支持維護山地原住民在都會區的權益您同意嗎 |
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跟委員報告這個我們已經現在正在研議那也有一些方向那基本上我們是朝正面的一個態度來看待非常好這是一個非常好的消息我也有提案要修法我們一起來努力另外我要幫各村里長發聲尤其是在原住民地區的還有偏鄉的村里長 |
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您知道嗎臺灣最大的村是花蓮縣秀林鄉的富士村看一下地圖它的面積有529平方公里然後最大的里是在高雄市桃園區的梅山里它的面積有434平方公里而部長您曾經服務過的基隆市它的面積只有132.8平方公里這是我們說的 |
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﹚議員﹚ |
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還有油價非常的飆升你覺得對待他們公平嗎現在我想現況當然是不盡公平那我們應該怎麼來努力 |
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跟委員報告我想這一個問題這個我知道委員很關心那也有很多包括地方的民意代表跟立法委員也都不斷的一個倡議那我上任之後其實針對這個事情也做了深入的一個研究跟探討那我們基本上覺得應該是要思考一個符合現況需求的否則因為通常這些原住民鄉我們原民的部落 |
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好,一個月之內我們是不是能夠來提出一些最符合這些公平的一些這個修法也好或者是建議也好,我們來改善好不好?好,一個月之內,我們再加緊腳步,謝謝 |
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第三個議題我還提到的是原住民的冰葬設施的問題我們看到冰葬管理科有一個111年到114年的冰葬設施量能的提升計劃他到明年就要結束了但是實際山地鄉仍然有許多的問題需要處理 |
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比如海拔1500公尺以上或者是在水源保護區裡面的冰藏設施他必須要有環評還有水保法規的限制因此呢我們在山地鄉裡面有非常多的鄉公所沒有辦法趕在114年提報計劃您的這個書面報告裡面我也看到了其實在原鄉只有大概十幾個鄉公所完成了這個計劃請問一下部長您可以承諾冰藏設施量能提升計劃可以延續來辦理嗎 |
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可以嗎部長委員這一個案子其實陳女剛才說這個到明年時間就到了那也的確還有許多的原鄉沒有這個平常的一個設施我想這一個部分我們會來跟院來做討論希望能夠做適當的一個延長那另外就是另外就是經費的部分來做一些爭取 |
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一個月之內也提出一些相關的報告好不好好謝謝您好第4個議題就是國家公園向山致敬的政策您跟我提到原住民部落會更進一步的合作跟這個國家公園我們當然支持藉由這個計畫讓非原住民能夠更理解也更尊重然後也能夠推展原住民的文化並且持續跟在地的部落來合作但是我請教部長為什麼目前這個計畫只有11個部落要合作 |
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然後你們所謂的具發展潛力的部落群．你們是什麼樣的一個定義跟概念請問部長好跟委員報告因為我們住主要因為在整個的一個我們中央的山派其實有相關不同的部會在這個主管對那我們內政部的國家公營署是其中的一個而已所以這個當然是由我們內政部來做這樣的倡議來跨部會的合作 |
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包括林茂淑﹑觀光局等等所以我們的11個基本上是以我們高山型3個國家公園的主要的露出口的部落來做一個基礎另外跟其他的部會包括教育部、園民會等等 |
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大家來做比對跟討論找出目前大家初步有共識的11個當然未來也有可能比11個還多 |
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好很好也就是說我本來要具體建議但是聽部長這麼說我覺得我們兩個是可以有一些溝通跟交流的我們的概念蠻像的比如說園民會他有一個部落清理型他其實有非常多相關合作了比如說林務署他也合作過社區林業計劃的經驗所以您剛剛談到園民會然後林務署還有教育部我們怎麼樣可以跟幾個部會一起合作的意思對吧對 |
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那必須要通盤檢討來看從地圖上面來看哪幾個部落是可以納入計劃的對嗎?是不是我們也可以請部落他主動來提他覺得是跟這個這個您的這個所謂的具體的建議很好他可以主動參與可以嗎?是當然可以那不過這是因為這11個是因為我們是內政部我們國家公園是我們主管但其他的部分不是我們主管 |
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我會由我的辦公室來邀請各個部會然後一起來提出共同的平台可以吧好謝謝再來就是防救災的業務了我們看到行政院有一個6.6億的專案來補助計劃你們要協助各縣市購買救災機器人還有無人機請問部長這些資源有多少會投入到原鄉部落 |
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我以前有提過 |
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提升山地鄉消防救災的效能計劃總共編列了三年的中程計劃這的確解決了一些原鄉消防和救災效能不足的問題很可惜這個計劃已經終止了是不是可以再思考一下這個是不是在提出適合部落的防救災效能的整合計劃 |
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無人機及救災機器人最主要是針對人口比較群聚的地方臺東縣的部分有配置各4部原廂的部分是另外一個課題我請蕭署長來做補充 |
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因為今天時間不夠了是不是請蕭處長你們可以思考一下有很多原住民的兄弟是軍警退伍的這些人士有很多的量能來可以協助救災防災的所以是不是我們可以跟部分的年輕人來結合一下然後也在一個月之內我們提供一下來盤點一下數據然後包括你們消防署警政署裡面的一些計劃量能的提升這些東西把它整合在一起可以嗎 |
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最後我要聊到的就是在3個禮拜四傳送11年的王光祿獵人案他歷經有罪定驗4至80號的解釋然後蔡總統又特赦一直到現在無罪確定這是原住民狩獵權力的一大勝利知道相信部長應該知道吧 |
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我們的最高法院更進一步定下了兩大原則第一個是自製獵槍應該包括他自己用自製他用在這個標準底下是容許自製獵槍不限規格只要是族人自己製造或者是族人使用他們製造的槍枝都屬於自製獵槍這是最高法院的裁定第二個是只要是基於原基法第19條的原因狩獵就不受野保法的限制 |
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部長在列槍規範的議題上面我開過了三次的協調會最高法院的判決他有支持我的立場所以未來原住民在愚民自治列槍愚槍許可管理辦法的這個辦法裡面是不是繼續以族人自治並且用安全性的前提之下朝雙軌制的方案來定立規範可以嗎因為你現在是單軌制 |
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我們警政署也同意這樣的一個方向不過安全的部分還是很重要這部分是由國防部在負責了解我已經開了三次的協調會了警政署、內政部、委員會我們以這個大法官的解釋之下還有安全的使用規範之下希望這個辦法能夠雙軌而不是只有一軌好嗎好謝謝你 |
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接下來有請黃建斌委員發言 |
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主席早安主席我們有請內政部部長好有請林部長市委員好部長好部長其實本席跟內政部有很深的淵源我本席曾經擔任過最基層的村立幹事所以我是村幹事出身我對大概我們基層在推行不管是政策或是社會救助上其實或是第一線有對地方的一定的了解 |
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那常常在講村里幹事啊大概就僅是有猜對地方的熟悉度可是我有一項他可能沒辦法講就是新進人員這件事情因為我們的管小朋友多進了一個新的戶口我們不太了解他的過去 |
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所以這在掌握上會比較缺乏一點點的那個正確性但是我們講這個就提到我們在看內政部長的那個報告提到說主要今年內政部有出過這種全國姓名統計分析專書這個專書是作為目的應該是作為我們我國這個姓名制度的改善依據嗎是不是 |
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也是但也不是因為這個是一個例行的工作我們是依法然後做相關的一個彙整跟公佈部長本是建議內政部是我們全國天下第一大部他掌管全國重要的業務應該更著重在不管是我們的都市計畫的推動基礎建設甚至警消人員的服務這邊應該是要更加強而不是在做這樣的事情那這兩個並不衝突 |
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因為我也覺得很納悶啊我們統計加好跟數分差點低比這件事對我們未來推動有什麼差別我已經跟你報告了因為那個就是我們因為台灣的戶籍的系統是全世界輔助全球的所以他的資訊非常的完整他等於就是一個大的資料庫所以我們依法就是說就這些大的資料庫的一個內容做一個統計上的一個數字我們要出農民地嗎? |
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委員這兩件事情因為那個就是大數據那個就是每年我們都要例行要做而且也是歷年都這樣公布謝謝部長部長為什麼本期會提到姓名這件事情其實像我們最近涉案件裡面發生的就是如果本期要請問如果因為改名的話你們在搜尋上是不是在第一線的人員會有一點困擾 |
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我們一直改掉之後未來他如果曾經犯過一些需要搜尋他比較困難比如說是什麼目的如果以針對第一時間的第一線執行的村里幹事來講他對村里新金人院的掌握度啊 |
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當然如果他他沒有比如說如果今天是我們警察的話可能狀況不太一樣那那個村議長他拿到的是我們戶政的這個名冊所以當然他就是現在登記最新的一個名字所以跟警察在查案在辦的時候說所以警察在查案第一時間他如果看到名字他會馬上連結嗎還是要必須調查嗎對不對 |
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依照我們姓名條第15條第2項的規定罪犯在服刑完後的3年內有權利更改姓名 |
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不想給更生人一個重新的機會本期會支持本事業維持更生人的權利但是像我們最近發生這個虐殺兒童這重大事件的刑案不強大殺人之間本是堅決反對他們的革命在這邊本期強烈建議內政部應該盡速的修改我們姓名條例相關的法律條款並且採取實質的行動來回應我們社會的期待跟關切以上是這個問題 |
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我想這個尊重委員的這個意見不過如果要修法的話那個可能要有更多的一個討論所以本席要久的一個月內趕快把這些東西提供給我們本委員會知道因為這個事情是很嚴重委員你希望我們提供的是什麼你們的因應措施啊你們做修法這一塊啊剛剛在提到說這個可能要有更多的討論那我們目前行政院或者是內政部我們並沒有這樣的提案 |
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蕭處長 |
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蘇長以台東縣目前的預算你扣掉人事成本之後大概還剩多少錢在執行業務上抱歉我沒有掌握到地方政府這邊的一個裁員蘇長台東縣是全台灣第三大的縣市 |
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臺中縣政府現在目前的統計大概是411人平均一個人就要守護8.5平方公里的面積那特別是現在不管在救護上還是就在火災救護甚至其他的都會需要仰賴我們的消防人員那這邊 |
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長期的人力不足很容易導致我們臺中消防工作越來越大然後人力運動頻繁 |
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那這邊本席要要求在我們臺東縣政府是不是能夠圖更多的人力跟資源是感謝委員關心目前我們正在努力的就是擴充我們基層同仁的訓練那訓練人量我們今年預計在明年會遭受一千位所以只要臺東縣政府提出人力需求 |
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我們可以來全部來協助臺東縣來協助這方面人的擴充當然臺東縣事實上他對逸銷跟民力掌握得非常好我想委員對於臺東非常了解我們對臺東逸銷民力救援團隊我們的全力來跟他們做協助那同時花東基金這個部分我們投注很多的經費包包括特種經費的運作這個會合我可以跟詳細跟委員做一個報告 |
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謝謝署長的承諾我想臺灣一個國家不能因為區域性發展不同而有不同的待遇不能因為貧窮限制偏鄉的發展我想這個我們沒有知道這個地方需要更多人也希望我們消防部會我們警政署我們消防署能夠趕快投入來協助我們地方的人力那這邊也謝謝我們署長的承諾謝謝署長感謝委員 |
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台中縣目前有的社會住宅是海濱豪室、寶山豪室、仁豪豪室總戶數是485戶 |
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國土管理署署長吳署長 |
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感謝因為我們當然在第一階段臺東設定的目標是300戶那所以現在3處當然是夠那我想大概委員的建議就是我們會再列到第二階段我們現在已經在進入第二階段的一個總體評估那會再考慮在不管是透過現在的還是包租代管那這我們都會整體再來檢討看看還有沒有增加的可能性因為臺東畢竟服務員 |
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休息5分鐘繼續開會謝謝 |
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委員會主席 |
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議員會議員會議員會議 |
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議員會議員會議 |
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委員會主席 |
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議員議員議員議員 |
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議員議員議員議員 |
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委員會委員會委員會 |
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委員會主席 |
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委員會委員會委員會 |
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委員會委員會委員會 |
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議員會議員會議 |
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議員會議員會議員會議員會議 |
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議員會議員會議 |
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委員會委員會委員會 |
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委員會主席委員會主席 |
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議員會議員會議員會議 |
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議員議員議員議員 |
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議員議員議員議員 |
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議員會議員會議 |
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議員會議員議員會議 |
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議員議員議員議員 |
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議員會議員會議員會議 |
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委員會主席委員會主席 |
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議員會議員會議 |
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徐欣盈委員 |
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委員長部長剛剛徐宇貞委員有詢問到數位身份證的問題那本席要再次確認所以現在我們內政部是決定不推了還是您說的暫緩不是內政部決定這個是行政院的政策暫緩內政部是執行單位那現在是暫緩暫緩的過程有沒有任何的努力 |
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你暫緩就回家睡覺去了嗎?暫緩的過程當然有做努力剛剛提到有兩個部分這是在院的層級第一個是專責的單位第二個是這個各支法當然這個是其他部會所主責那我們的部分就是在已經既有的這個結果之下比如說剛剛在講要進行補償的我們要進行協調另外就是 |
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已經採購的相關的一個機器設備還有包括我們一直花每年花6000多萬在維護嘛對不對那個是必須要確保它對的既然必須要確保而且部長你也知道每年這樣花費那過去又已經花了十幾億這樣子在進行沒有十幾億也將近10億嘛那所以在這種情況下 |
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因為那個中央印製廠那部分其實是應該要扣掉因為那個是我們委員會的重複刪因為再怎麼樣數位身份證也是在內政部那部長您知道現在世界各國有多少國家已經在用數位身份證了嗎你知不知道 |
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內政部的報告就寫82%目前已經有使用數位身份證晶片的國家就有82%預計到2021年底 |
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等下我先講 |
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民眾有疑慮台灣的科技不輸人我們是科技出身台灣的科技不輸人為什麼世界各國都可以用了我們台灣不行這就表示我們台灣的政府現在的執政黨就是無能然後這個執政無能浪費公帑 |
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現在又沒有任何期程你內政部長講不出來我們接下來我們暫停暫緩有餘率暫緩可以我們應該加速啊我們應該加速我在科技上我們來讓民眾可以認同還有我們科技我們在資安上來加強世界各國做得到 |
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台灣政府做不到這就是一個大笑話所以本席希望我們內政部竟然是尤其護政司這個身份證就是護政司我們應該要盡快的您在行政院院會也要提出來甚至行政院每給期程你都應該要給出期程你都應該要求我們要有期程現在暫停了那麼久怎麼可能每年我還一直在養機器 |
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等你到你真正要用的時候我機器又要重新開換了因為又過了現在已經過那麼多年了所以我們對這件事非常在意那我們全民對於這樣的一個花費沒有成果也非常在意 |
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你可以先向全國人民道歉你欠全國人民一個道歉這個不管你的賠償給這個中央印製局到底合不合理或者是你過去的花費有任何的理由我們現在花了那麼多錢都沒有這個成果而且還一直拖延我們希望今天質詢之後那可以加速進行 |
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世界各國可以我們臺灣一定可以臺灣的科技一定領先全世界謝謝委員謝謝你的指教不過這個資訊上可能有一些落差第一個剛剛在講82%它並不是全部都是數位身份證它是數位證件包括像這個數位晶片 |
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政府﹗ |
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我們部已經出去現在正在國發會 |
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現在在行政院所以你內政部得出去好我們希望可以盡快看到那再來就是本席想請署長請這個警政署長請警政署長請警政署長好 |
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部長、署長我想請教兩位你們知不知道我們縣市的基層警員有多重身份部長您還做過市長基隆市長我們現在的基層警員非常的辛苦他們多重身份他要取締噪音的汽機車列入縣校檢討所以我們的警察呢成為了 |
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環保的稽查人員環保局的稽查人員這第一個第二個天氣冷要宣導防範寒流天氣熱要宣導那個小心中暑所以還要跟民眾合照宣導期還要每天回報建樹 |
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所以我們警察也成為了衛生局的員工再來春節期間還要發放救濟物資給弱勢家庭所以我們的警察也成為了社會局的員工再來我們的警察還要勘查防空避難所還成了公務局的員工 |
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派出所還成為司法文書掛號性的免費存放地所以我們的警察還要變成郵局的員工 |
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部長、署長警力有限但是非警勤務是無限你們造成非警勤務無限我們的警察應該是要維護治安打擊犯罪還有維護我們的交通秩序為什麼他們有那麼多重身份我們上級單位不僅沒有替我們警察 |
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提取他們的辛勞爭取福利還增加這麼多非本業的工作所以可不可以請警政署回去盤點所有派出所的非警勤務提出具體的改進作為一個月內送本院內政委員會 |
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委員其實這也是回應民意的期待 很多民意代表反映 所以警察才有這麼多工作所以您知道嘛 所以是不是可以回去檢討 而且一個月內送給我們內政委員會是當然沒有問題 不過這裡面委員列的其實也有一些是法定的我們的工作 |
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最後因為本席今天也有提案我們海巡不好意思接下來也是警察警政署我們海巡跟警察車牌辨識系統的借街建制主席我最後一題這個借街好像海巡署提出因為我們查緝販毒你從港口查到陸地 |
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那到了市區我們要借接這個車牌辨識系統好像警政署一個海巡署一個警政署署長為難署長那這個情況是怎麼回事 |
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我現在就是要跟海巡署借街的情況為什麼我們警政署有意見大家共同打極犯罪所以我們請海巡署在請函給那個主管機關做函式如果函式沒有問題就是各自沒有問題的話那本席就說了 |
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這個韓市從去年的10月向李警政署正式申請一直都還沒有得到回覆到上個禮拜五傍晚本席這邊關切各支法的主管現在國發會要國發會他們解釋說OK沒問題那就可以來後續推動 |
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所以你們警政署完全可以配合這個還有一個問題我補充一下因為這個建制是縣市政府警察局所建制的所以還要在縣市政府這邊這一關在普遍同意以後這個問題就沒有問題了那你們警政署就應該整合啊我覺得委員的質詢是有道理的我覺得署長跟其他的國發會也好地方政府也好你們應該趕快嫁接起來 |
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因為我們海巡弟兄我很多其實都是軍警退過去的照理說你們是一家人啊對不對所以呢你必須要有這個剛剛委員有他有一個臨時提案他希望一個月之內你們可以趕快處理吧好不好你不要各施其職啦竟然警政署原則同意我知道程序上的一個流程要完成請聽主席講完 |
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繼續我們請黃婕委員來質詢謝謝 |
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好是主席我們請內政部長請您部長 |
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首先我想請教這個社會住宅的部分因為其實我身邊有非常多的跟我年紀差不多的青年朋友大家都非常關心現在到底社會住宅蓋的怎麼樣我們到底居住權的落實如何 |
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從2016一六年其實當時的秀宅大概只有七千兩百戶但是到了二零二三年現在已經快十二萬戶了當然加上準備要興建的總共二十萬戶其實是漲了非常非常多倍 |
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我非常肯定在我們這8年裡面做收購住宅做得非常用心其實過去我們也修了住宅法2016年馬上上任之後就修住宅法讓中央能夠開始協助地方來做這些住宅的興建包括土地的取得包括照顧弱勢等等後續其實也修了平均地權條例然後擴大租金的補助 |
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來修正這個租賃的專法以及房地和一稅還有實價登錄2.0等等那這其實是我們過去這8年在這些居住正義上面的努力我要先予以肯定那只是說現在社宅蓋得越來越多啊大家就會討論說那這個租金怎麼樣那入住的條件怎麼樣所以我也希望跟部長來討論這些更細節更具體的部分讓青年朋友知道說接下來我想要申請 |
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內政部的租金其實是用市價打八折的方式那其實沒有更細的去訂定所謂的分級收費制度可是我知道內政部的上個月其實跟各縣市有開會 |
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就是說我們還是要用維持這個市價打八折的方式那其實現在台灣有一些縣市有開始進行到這個分級收費的制度我想要請教的是我們內政部有考慮要做嗎?如果沒有是為什麼? |
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謝謝委員的指教目前有用所謂所得收入來分級資物金的大概有三個城市第一個是臺北跟桃園另外新北的話是在上個月他們才要開始做 |
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不過在這個執行這幾年執行的過程裡面其實也發現了一些問題就是包括比如說在臺北市他的一個實際上運用社宅的這個民眾大概有73%他的所得是在這個中低收入戶或者低收入戶以下但是實際上有這個中低收入戶或者低收入戶身份的只有15%這個落差非常的大 |
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所以這個是一個蠻大的一個問題也就是說資源會有一些挫折我們目前有新的一個方案就是因為大家關心的是說新的社宅出來之後哇那到時候用新的住進去算會不會更高 |
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這一點請大家放心因為我們未來新的方案是會新的設宅但是用10年中古屋的這個租金來計算的基準然後另外再加打折那另外打折的折數也比之前在進一步增加還低另外是原本5折的部分會降低到4.5折到3折所以會比之前的租金的一個這個水準還要再更降低這一點請大家放心 |
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好謝謝部長這就是我想要知道的很感謝現在我們內政部願意再進行這個分級收費的調整啦因為大家真的蠻擔心說如果是照過去這種市價打八折的方式大家不一定能夠負擔得起對因為大家擔心說現在新房子會用新的價錢沒有我們是用10年中古屋來算 |
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謝謝部長那其實這個因為其實現在大家在說這個其實你剛剛提到那種方案說就是他雖然是用這個低收入戶的身份去報的但是其實他實際上他的收入並不是低收入戶那就是這個落差其實就是一種會有所謂的假窮人出現啦我知道內政部的擔憂可是因為其實現在所得稅的資料我知道你們看這個所得稅資料裡面是可能會用因為他的 |
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實行業務所得利息收入或者是租賃所得或是產產交易所得的討論的情況導致說這個稅務沒有辦法實質反映他的收入嘛那其實我想要講的是其實有其他的例子例如說長照特別扣除額跟房屋的支出的特別扣除額他都有20%以下的門檻也就是說其實其他的例子來看這個你們還是有辦法去盡量的 |
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獲得所謂的真的需要協助的這個對象那因為其實社宅他的目的就是說我們的租金補貼要依據他的負擔能力訂定額度所以我希望的是接下來新的這個方案真的有辦法去照顧到能夠照顧到的人 |
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因為其實我看了一下就是以臺北這個名人社宅的例子這個因見不遠啊臺北名人社宅真的讓人覺得這是一個沒有辦法符合當初我們社宅精神的一個設計因為裡面我看到說他其實若是假設我們的收入一戶他可能低收入只有兩萬多左右可是如果我們國際的可負擔租金的 |
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的所得比只有30%那其實他的這個負擔所得比是50%到70%也就是說對於弱勢來說他是完全沒有辦法支付的所以我希望說這樣的情況不會在我們中央的社宅裡面出現然後這個更細的分級制度裡面也一定要來訂定所以新的這個方案也希望接下來我們內政部趕快公告然後讓大家知道說我們是真的有辦法去符合這個照顧到弱勢的 |
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我用20秒跟你回復一下,第一個我非常贊成你剛剛在講的可負擔的這個精神,所以我們在這個新的方案的時候其實將這個負擔率從原本的30%降到20%,所以我們是朝這個方向在努力,當然因為台灣推動社會主義的時間說實在還短,所以我們需要 |
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獲得的資料確實有很大的問題第三就是所謂的低薪青年還有邊緣戶的一個照顧這部分可能另外要來思考所謂的貧窮線的一個調整 |
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那這部分需要更大的一個討論跟共識基本上站在我們的部門的角度我們是支持應該要做一些貧窮切的一個調整的一個方向好 謝謝部長其實剛剛說到那個稅制的部分你們可以用其他的社福減核的方式就是說去查他的存款、股票、不動產這些其實都可以用更細的查核方式去減核他是不是符合這個條件好 謝謝部長那居住正義我們一起努力那接下來我們請警政署長 |
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最後一點時間我想要問一下好因為其實這個基隆的警察衝到NET這件事情從2月1號到現在已經快兩個月了可是基隆的警察還是沒有出來說個清楚我覺得我們警政署在這邊是不是可以給大家清楚的報告據說假設現在警察接到一個報案說房東說有一個租客他的租約到期還沒有搬走那警察到現場去溝通協調但是租客沒有搬走請問警察可以直接對我們而入嗎 |
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可以嗎?那請問基隆的警察是不是這樣做了?他說他去協助交通處嗎?可以這樣子嗎?他的協助是透盲而入嗎?他第一個去打開門 |
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他們給我的資料是說不是他們去打開的是由市政府的聘請的所將來打開的這種說法你可以接受嗎署長當然這個後來有提告那檢察官那邊再做一個偵查我覺得署長這邊也要有一個態度不是說讓他們進入自己的司法程序產權建議是一回事但是警察的職權也是一回事我覺得署長在這邊要予以嚴正的譴責並且檢討好嗎好 |
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這個我們其實協助我們奠定一個原則要立定這個原則來依照這個原則來出情好謝謝好非常謝謝黃姐委員的質詢謝謝也謝謝部長跟署長謝謝繼續我們請牛許廷委員質詢好謝謝主席這個部長有請有請林部長 |
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部長早安今天這個內政天下第一大部事情很多但沒關係我們今天主要講消防的題目其他的部分我們會用書面的方式再希望內政部好好提供資料這樣可以嗎好那就開始吧今天是318很多人會講這是學運的十週年但是這同時也是美孚倉儲大火的兩週年兩年前的此刻這把大火還在熊熊燃燒 |
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消防弟兄 |
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事實上就是整個場所裡面可以燃燒的總量 |
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對,可以燃燒的,可燃物完全燃燒釋放的熱能嘛,換言之就是易燃,其實簡單來說大概就是易燃程度啦那署長知不知道,就是這個相較於工廠倉儲的火載量大概是一般工廠的幾倍? |
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跟委員報告倉儲市場可以放很多東西必須要看放了什麼東西來做處理我想委員關心就是說這裏面設備的一個強化的情形沒錯這個我們等一下再問我先回答這個相較於工廠倉儲的活宅量是工廠的4倍到5倍所以它其實是遙遙領先所以說大家針對我們都講消防消防我們待會會講消防弟兄的這個福利的問題但是我覺得重點是防治防治的東西如果做得好 |
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相對來講已在救災的成本等等其實就會降下來很多我相信這才是政府需要達成的目的那既然倉儲是活載量的第一名那本期就非常希望針對這件事情來好好來探討那除了活載量之外啊這個我想這一點部長應該就可以回答了從你也做過地方的縣市首長對於產業什麼你也算是了解對不對那這個倉儲物流其實是零售業的所謂的成本單位 |
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那以部長的認識啦 這個臺灣大部分的倉儲是自有的多還是出租的多?出租的多 絕對是出租的多嘛 對不對那既然它是一個成本單位又是出租的多 其實會造成什麼樣的問題 其實就是我既然蓋這個倉儲不管它是合法的也好違章的也好 我就要降低我的成本簡單快速的去做出租 產業端也會希望我是用一個相對低廉的成本可以拿到 |
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委員會議員 |
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自動灑水系統的問題當初最早的時候剛開始有自動灑水的觀念有法規的時候做了韓式但這個韓式其實相對寬鬆你可能站在產業這邊來解釋說我們要有自動堆置的我才要做灑水系統我有一個高度10公尺高我才要做灑水系統結果這個叫上有政策下有對策這相對來講這些產業就是好我就不要做自動的堆置的設施或者是說我就把這個高度我就設定成9米8 |
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剛剛好就會規避這樣子的一個狀況所以才導致了美孚這場大火的發生即便他過去兩年但我們不追蹤這東西永遠不會改變那好玩的是這場大火發生之後當然大家就檢討檢討之後我們就要現在內政部就取消了這個韓式的適用範圍現在要重研處理那重研處理的時候當然也衍生了很多的問題我們現在就簡單問一下既然都發生這樣的事情了 |
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我們是不是要針對這樣子相關的消防法規有更清楚的界定而不是只是用含釋的方式去讓大家有解釋的空間部長你覺得你的看法如何我想當然所以其實我們也做了相關的檢討那倉儲的部分預計是在今年上半年會提出工廠的部分在今年下半年至於細節的部分我請蕭主任來做補充 |
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你還補充嗎?是,感謝委員這個問題就是委員提到的怎麼強化倉儲跟工廠的安全那這個部分在原來的消防設置標準裡面規範的情形並沒有縝密到這麼大的水的負載量所以最近我們整個在檢討 |
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倉儲部長提到今天上半年會把倉儲裡面怎麼強化它自動滅火系統燒水系統的量這上半年要處理也就即使既有的我們有什麼方法透過科技的方法或者施工的方法來強化它安全這是第一點那另外對工廠的部分我們在下半年會把工廠的部分怎麼做強化那目前也跟經濟部來做強化怎麼輔導協助補助 |
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剛剛署長已經有講就是灑水包含不只是設施設施的規範還有水量因為美孚大火之後的加熱孚大火那就是水量的問題 |
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拜訪議員 |
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第一個規則剛性一點嚴格一點明確一點不要有解釋的空間然後及早界定然後標準不能太低確定的就好好的去執行也許你要給倉促業者一點時間去適應但是該貫徹要貫徹好不好我們至少往這個方向對焦可以嗎好謝謝署長再來我要講一下這個 |
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消防員的待遇的問題這叫做職務加擠要加成之給我們剛剛有講美孚大火這案子累死我桃園的打火弟兄事實上我桃園打火弟兄一向就是在全國裡面勤務量相對高的一群因為我們是產業重鎮 |
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那產業重鎮的時候我們當然希望可以給這群辛苦的打火器弟兄更好的待遇所以按照現在的規定我們可以各自家市政府得市所屬消防單位消防情務危險程度自籌經費依下列規定加成加幾新北市台北市可以加一倍也就是從8435加一倍變成16870桃園台中台南高雄可以加7成變成14340那但是 |
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這個問題是這樣加這樣子的幅度我們認為是違德不足嘛既然要加就加到位加有感所以不只是桃園啦現在新北要 台北要 桃園要我們希望乾脆加好就加好加滿直接加1.5倍也就是直接加到這個21088元啦 |
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來 請部長說明還是署長 |
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我請署長做說明是感謝委員垂選桃園市這個部分的爭取我們也針對他的問題他還補充他的一個理由跟說明那同時我們爭取其他六都的意見那最近意見大概回來我們會把整體的意見反映給憲政院來做整個的一個處置就本期的了解現在桃園臺北新北都送上去了嗎 |
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還有哪些 六都一起檢討是不是南山都還沒有進來南山都的意見我們會遵守他的意見以後你們有沒有抓一個時間表應該最近我們就可以報到議員裡面來做一個踢爆 |
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這個事情一樣我會後你要把那個詳細的時間表你知道我們知道嘛因為桃園的地方是很希望趕快給桃園的弟兄多好一點的待遇嘛你跟委員報告事實上六度以外還有非六度的問題啦所以這個部分可能會增添了考量跟委員報告這我理解嘛所以我講嘛如果說這筆錢由中央來出對不對那你要全部收集啊綜合判斷綜合考量那就那沒辦法可是既然是縣市自籌的那其實沒有什麼好拖時間的嘛對不對 |
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所以是不是針對這件事情為什麼卡關預計什麼時候可以有個明確的結果大概的你們額度跟你們決定額度的理由是什麼是不是會後請這個消防組跟內政部提供一個完整的說明好不好我跟委員一句話就好其實最主要的倒不一定在我們這邊齁其實那個採組的單位他們有一些考量 |
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好沒關係嘛我剛剛講嘛就是說時間表跟可能的考量因為我們負責溝通我們再把資料再送給委員好不好那就麻煩部長了好不好我們希望就是說消防弟兄的權益要重視還有防治的部分要加強今天口頭時間有限我們先談消防好沒有問題那其他的部分我們用書面質詢再請部裡好好回覆可以嗎 |
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好謝謝好謝謝辛苦了 |
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主席好各位官員各位委員大家早安大家好是不是請那個部長好我們有請您部長 |
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市委員好部長早首先要跟你請問一下因為本身我的選區在新北市中和那新北市中和本身他這個地區比較特別他居住了大概40萬的人口在新北市的人數是佔了400萬人口的十分之一而他土地算是非常的小大概佔了新北市整體的土地大概只有百分之一的面積所以是地狹人叢的一個環境 |
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﹗ |
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第3期的污水下水道接管也要跟部長報告中間已經經過了20年所以很多綜合的鄉親苦不堪言我還記得我小時候我家人都叫我說不要開後門家裡都有後門開了以後那個環境非常的不乾淨然後造成很多的環境衛生或是一些疾病傳染一些問題想這邊請教部長的問題就是說現在我們第3期的污水下水道 |
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司法部長 |
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新北市政府正進行 |
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所以這個期程是新北市政府自己定的那我們中央的部分如果新北市政府依據相關的一個進度需要中央的一個配合款的部分我們就是依進度跟比例來這個來撥付來支持所以這個期程的部分可能要新北市努力一點然後我們會來協助 |
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主席 |
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立法院第11屆第1會議 |
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施作的範圍這麼的奇特是不是中央可以跟地方政府大家協調一下不是說中央政府只出錢然後不去管說地方政府他是如何來去推動因為總不能出錢當冤大頭吧那是不是請部長還是誰可以來回答一下 |
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感謝委員因為其實我們各起的這個大概都會跟幹線幹線支線的一個分佈狀況還有他那個住戶的分佈密度去做一個推計那所以我想新北市政府可能會這樣做大概會依循這幾個原則那所以他可能把它做一個按照這個住戶的密度還有接管的戶數 |
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議員會議 |
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中和第三期第一期的標案跟第三標其實我認為他是可以把它結合在一起的 |
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因為我們綜合的男視角其實人口非常的密集啊所以我認為做這個污水下水道的CP值會很高所以第一期跟第三期是因為把整個結合在一起來做的話可以讓我們男視角相信可能不要等到五年甚至十年以後才有辦法做這個污水下水道的接管所以我這邊是拜託說第一期跟第三期的部分第一標的部分長的樣子很像打斧頭樣子很奇怪 |
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所以這邊要拜託部長這邊來協助一下這個也是我們中和市民的心聲當時在我剛跟大家報告在20年前其實在做這個第一期的工程的時候其實當時因為我想不知道為什麼很多的住戶因為他當聽到說家裡要拆房子的時候他們就非常的反彈所以造成了一個叫做沒有辦法實際去施行叫做管線阻礙的一個問題那現在 |
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已經實施到第三期了第一期其實還有一些鄉親他是沒有做屋水下人要接管的那這個部分中要跟地方要如何去合作來去讓一些過去已經未來不知道如何可以做接管的一些鄉親有一個他的生活環境可以變得更好的方式 |
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好謝謝委員因為一般來講就是說在我們補助給地方政府的下水道經費裡面我們是請地方政府按照期程來推那其實過程當中或多或少有些民眾當時可能觀念上沒有辦法突破或是執行上有困難他不願意配合接管那事實上在地方政府他會有零星的所謂的一個開口工程那這個大概一般都會由地方政府來執行也就是說他可能每年自己有一些 |
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有一些開口小型的開口合約因為那個每年的戶數都很少那你們這邊有沒有辦法跟地方政府去了解一下他現在有沒有需要中央來去做協助這我們可以來跟新北市政府了解看看因為正常來講我知道他們自己有開口合約在每年在處理那這個部分可能我們也會把委員的意思轉達給他了解就是說請他能夠積極針對綜合一期二期的部分那有民眾需要用戶接管的這個部分再請他 |
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開口合約不能主動來洽來洽辦 |
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委員會議委員會議 |
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新北市政府來瞭解看是不是有這樣的機會那也可以請委員也可以這個跟市政府這邊來反映我們雙管齊下好謝謝部長那因為時間的關係我來趕快請教一下我關於也是我們選區的一個比較特別的事情就是說因為本身我是在中和中和有一個人非常知名叫華新街他是居住了非常多這個緬甸的華僑很多東南亞的新住民那一直以來其實不管這個 |
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不管我相信不分黨派不分顏色都對我們臺灣的新住民非常的重視那想請教有關這個部長這邊我們中央的部分是不是有定期來跟這個新住民的議題來做開會那我們有沒有想說要來成立一個新住民委員會那現在如果有的話現在的這個這個時程大概處理到進度大概是如何 |
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委員那個在行政院的部分有新住民的協調會報這個是在院的層級所以在院的層級開了會議做成的決議各相關部會他就必須依會議的決議下去這個執行跟推動那另外在部的部分也有 |
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我們當然會希望能夠加強對新住民權益的一個照顧那其實我們也在跟這個院來爭取更多的一個人力跟這個經費支援那有打算要成立新住民委員會嗎?這個不是我的層級可以回答 這個屬於這個院的層級 |
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那是不是請移民署長來分享一下說比如說我舉例一下就過去到現在而言比如說像我們在地有一些知名的活動那中央的部分有沒有一些協助的幫忙的地方 |
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跟委員報告在地方的各項活動我們新住民發展基金其實是可以接受申請的那過去的在每年裡面我們都會在地方的各項有關新住民的照顧服務的一些措施 |
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我們都接受包括中央政府地方政府甚至NGO團體只要他提計劃來我們都會經過我們基金管理會審查以後就會做部分的一些補助好謝謝署長那我今天就到這邊謝謝非常謝謝張主任委員質詢謝謝部長謝謝署長謝謝繼續我們請丁學忠委員質詢 |
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財務委員我請副長有請林部長副長好副長請問你知道這個憑詐管理條例第21條之一的內容嗎 |
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這個條例已經實施了17年請問部長有了解各縣市都有執行這個條例嗎? |
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他依法的話他就是必須這個提供免費的使用有齁有執行齁是你覺得這個制度是不是很好我想這個既然立法就是大家的一個共識 |
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有收到那個各縣市的政府反映反映這個政策我想目前實施的狀況應該沒有聽到特別聲音如果委員有聽到相關的意見的話可以反映給我們都受到很多的好評防護這個低收入戶這個大家都很認同是謝謝對啊 |
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我們全國的低收入戶總共差不多有14萬戶27萬7千多人當我們這個條例通過以後有這些14萬戶27萬多人都有受益如果沒有問題我覺得我們在跑基層的時候時常遇到一些人影 |
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雖然他的條件他沒有辦法申請低收入戶但是事實證明我們在基層也詢問過地方鄰里一些長輩一些村里長了解一些這個一些一些我們這個人民他們 |
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一生活方式了解也有其中一部分因為這個條例愛無法申請這個低收入戶他只有可以申請這個中低收入戶因為我們比較我們雲林縣有大部分是比較農村的一個一個鄉鎮他們的收益大部分都是務農來的一些可能是比較長輩 |
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他們只會列入這個中低收入戶我們運營縣有一個月事慈善會這個月事慈善會針對我們這個低收入戶以及中低收入戶這個艱苦人他們只要有需求他們都會全力協助他們也是集合集結一些攤販大家一起 |
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共同來做這個公益有聽到他們在反映其實一些中低收入戶他們的的這個收益跟跟一些生活條件其實也是跟那個低收入戶一樣只是礙於這個條例的部分沒有辦法申請到低收入戶我再建議是不是 |
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我們也把中低收入戶也納入這個21條之一內容一樣免費來使用各縣市的這個殯葬設施這個副長你的看法謝謝委員這個在之前也有人提議過不過沒有形成共識最主要就是這個會增加地方政府很大的財政負擔 |
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地方政府財政狀況不一所以意見也很多那第二個是因為中低收跟低收它有一個就是我們外部部有一個很清楚的一個界定那另外甚至還有包括像邊緣戶的部分所以現在這部分的一些需求都是由NGO或者明天團體或者善心人士 |
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來提供這一些公益善心的一個照顧委員的這個建議充滿善心我想我們這個也知道委員的一個意見不過這個是不是還進一步擬聚公司因為這個畢竟需要修法 |
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對,這個我是覺得啦其他縣市我不知道以我們雲林縣來看我們剛剛我說的一些沒有犯法符合到低收入戶這個中低收入戶的一些資格一些人民也很多在我們中低收入戶在全國是有10萬戶28萬人有28萬人 |
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如果我們部長可以大家一起共同來協助我們這些中低收入戶我覺得可以確實的幫助到我們這些比較貧窮窮苦的一些人民 |
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9390.608 |
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我想政府都希望能夠照顧這個更多的人那剛剛委員的這個意見我們會來盡量的整合各縣市政府大家的這個不同的意見這個部分我們也會經過正式提案先讓我們部長先了解一下 |
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9400.513 |
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9425.272 |
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對阿阿如果內容有什麼問題可以大致大家協議一下齁阿盡量來幫助我們這個中低收入戶因為這個在基層阿我是基層的民意代表出身齁真的很了解基層真的那個辛苦人很多是真的齁阿這個部分再麻煩一下部長齁阿剛剛有在說到我們這個 |
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我也是雲林縣預銷副大隊長我覺得我們雲林縣消防弟兄大家都是很認真除了警消預銷他們配合在災害發生的時候 |
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他們都非常積極衝鋒陷陣闖入災區在拯救我們人民我要請教那個部長因為我們警消的部分已經是列為公務人員公務人員在疫消的部分各位疫消人員他們都是士農工商的群組大家組成的一個團體大家會共同為我們消防的部分 |
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同行協力來協助我們減銷來做救災的部分我要請問說他們目前他們沒有那個薪資也沒有什麼對他們人身有法上的這個機制嗎?你是說基金?機制對他們人身安全法上的機制 |
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9523.095 |
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保險是有的,不過委員跟你報告我們目前正在思考擬定我們疫消的整體災防能力的提升所以未來現在疫消其實是做得還蠻不錯的,你也是副大隊長 |
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9524.376 |
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9546.244 |
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我們未來就是希望逸霄能夠接受的訓練要比照錦霄他們都有訓練現在的訓練其實還不是百分之百未來如果是百分之百比照錦霄的話未來甚至是可以給一個正式的認證 |
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9570.343 |
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那他等於就是具備性國外消防系會有消防人員的資格?我很多次都到火場現場去看他們救災的狀況其實以他們的專業已經不遜於我們的警消人員他們的勇氣衝入火海的勇氣也不遜於一般人 |
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是不是對我們預銷未來的一些服務力安全的一個機制還有我相信裝備上我相信內政部這邊已經處理到很到位了是的現在我們正在整體規劃一個預銷的整體量能還有他專業能力的提升的一個中程計劃包括裝備的部分 |
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9610.724 |
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大部分我們義消都有辦一些聯誼他們聯誼都是由那個顧問自己籌措經費來協助的我也希望我們內政部也編列一些預算給我們義消人員當作是一個鼓勵這樣好不好我們整體來考量好就麻煩副長謝謝 |
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9616.411 |
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9639.418 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].text |
好,非常謝謝丁雪忠委員的質詢也謝謝部長跟署長繼續我們請李博益委員質詢因為這個吳祁銘召委跟莊惠雄委員兩個交換所以呢我們請博益委員質詢結束之後呢我們處理臨時提案好幹事長你休息一下我看你很喘好謝謝請李博益委員 |
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9663.522 |
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謝謝我們請內政部林部長還有請接下來請警政署那警政署的議題之後再請國土管理署我們請部長以及兩位署長一起上台謝謝部長我們有聯絡方式嘛你有沒有我的email |
| transcript.whisperx[348].start |
9670.496 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].end |
9684.102 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].text |
禮拜六禮拜六我收到的來你的家庭地址我已經調查清楚請你在Facebook公開發帖會退出民進黨7天內退黨否則你全家會成為刀下亡魂來署長黃署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].start |
9685.689 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].end |
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相關類似的這些恐嚇的郵件請問本會的立委有多少位收到了還有多少位沒有收到目前警政署所受理的委員的部分這一件還沒受理啦當天我就覺得太多了目前已經有15件16人昨天黃婕委員在花蓮演講算不算 |
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9738.008 |
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昨天黃婕委員在花蓮演講那算不算也是在恐嚇委員是也有受理啦黃婕委員這件有受理那署長我請問你齁我們當然都知道這些是恐嚇我們當然也都覺得這可能都來自境外但是我們希望警政署可以在第一時間有一個很清楚的說明而不是說啊這個我們要調查他的來源啊那等等的我們也有家人欸 |
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我不報案不代表我的家人不會害怕所以說你要趕快讓我們所有社會大眾可以很快很清楚的了解這些相關的內容到底是怎樣來 署長可不可以趕快做一個明確的說明不是在這裡說明 |
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9781.99 |
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未來遇到相關類似的案件的話我們要怎麼樣處理因為我在選舉期間我也不斷的整整一個月都被恐嚇啊整整一個月這個恐嚇信件還跟我對話欸所以我們要怎麼樣趕快讓社會大眾知道這個案件知道這類型的案件知道我們警政署怎麼樣因應讓社會大眾知道來之境外他們的目的是什麼就是認知作戰來署長 |
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9783.191 |
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9811.38 |
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這個我們可以來這樣做就是說如果偵查出來是在境外或者是哪一個國家跳板偵查出來要多久會知道在境外這個一般大概幾個小時就可以幾個小時好到底他的IP是在哪個國家落點好謝謝署長署長您請回內政部其實掌管非常的多那我想要先就這個現在最夯的住宅的問題那我的選區左營男子迎接到 |
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9812.881 |
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9840.279 |
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明年這個台積電就要進駐那台積電進駐之後一千五百個以上的工程師加上周邊的這些就業產業會有非常大量的人口移入目前在這個月 署長 這個月喔高雄臨近左營兩區的預售屋 超過一千戶你知道嗎 都是三天clean 三天完銷 |
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9869.538 |
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臨近左營的兩個這個預售都是3天完銷住宅需求非常的大那所以呢 高雄市跟我們住屋中心合作在左營跟楠梓就有4個加上仁武就有4個這個社宅的興建但是社宅的興建跟台積電的這個建廠社宅興建完成跟台積電的這個設廠其實搭不起來 |
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9888.82 |
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也就是說短期內會有大量的住宅的需求所以你看到這些預售屋飆漲不只飆漲預售屋也是很快的速度內就去化我們會需要很大量的租金補貼等等的 |
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9900.662 |
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目前我們從內政部的報告裡面去年度開始申請租金補貼的這些戶數全台灣一共43萬戶那這43萬戶裡面 |
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9904.989 |
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9933.504 |
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我想有很多是沒有辦法出來申請的這原因包含什麼?原因包含害怕如果申請之後房東就可能我就要請你離開不要租了那這些人要住哪裡?我當然知道我們內政部也有對這個房東有祭出罰則如果你因為這樣拒絕房客來申請可能可以罰3到30萬等但是房客最害怕的 |
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9934.204 |
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9956.984 |
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房東被罰錢他不怕房客最害怕的是他真的被趕出去如果在這段時間真的被趕出去我希望我們國土署這邊我們內政部這邊好好來演繹這個問題讓所有的租客可以安心的來申請租屋補貼來 署長相關的安置的內容你可不可以先來回應 |
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9989.318 |
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非常謝謝委員的指教那我們現在在我們已經在跟法服中心建立一個法律諮詢服務的一個平台我們預計在今年的上半年基本上把它建置完畢那下半年的時候可以上路這個就是可以提供這個不管是房東還是房客如果他有遇到這樣糾紛的時候可以採取一個法律保障的一個作為 |
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沒有沒有糾紛啊這也不是法律保障部長這個很清楚就是說如果房客去來跟縣市政府申請租屋補貼租屋補貼之後他如果3個月內被房東掃地出門政府要有什麼措施來安置這個被掃地出門的他是被你鼓勵嘛 |
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最後﹗ |
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去年12月內政部通過推動住宅成果提升社會住宅用地的經濟措施裏面希望在2025到2032你還是設到明年開始縣市政府的這個勢力重劃底費地可以提撥5%來作為社宅的用地目前所有這些底費地的標售都超過他的成本我建議內政部 |
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10068.457 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].text |
台中市政府如果要再拿出來飆售的時候 內政部你去飆你去飆 |
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10070.047 |
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來作為社會住宅人民會站在內政部這一邊還是站在市場這一邊我想希望這個國土署也就這一方面來做一個表態我來不及讓你回答因為還有一個地方的議題希望國土署這邊趕快來處理就是高雄橋頭科學園區目前設置的進度他緊接著台積電之後 |
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10113.677 |
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那目前他從這個計畫大陸的開闢跟廠商選址是同一個時段也就是現在其實廠商選址之外廠商其實可以進去開始建廠為什麼都還沒有進去因為進不去所以我希望國務署跟高雄市政府這邊可以趕快的來配合讓廠商可以進去選址之外呢他 |
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來 署長 |
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首先是我們在明年提的這個計畫裡面是直接會針對地方政府他如果土地是可以專案讓售給中央的話那我們直接來協商沒有啦我的意思是說你直接去跟他標啦因為我們大概現在還不能但是專案讓售的話我們當然是希望拿成本來標嘛對不對這樣才對真正的市民是有利的啊不是已經重劃之後的價錢啊對啊 |
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10166.934 |
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我們現在處理臨時提案總共有7案請宣讀 |
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10201.943 |
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主席請教一下主席也宣告了10點以後10點以前截止那現在變成7案了本來不是只有4案嗎那是不是也另外3案是不是我看那個內容裏面可能大家再討論一下是不是今天先處理前面這4案 |
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是這樣子剛剛那個提案來的時候因為只有3分鐘嘛那我也接受了然後以後我有交代議事處人員未來這個各黨團如果在3分鐘內提出來的我們也都接受好不好好啦不好意思好謝謝您謝謝好我們先謝謝我們以後都比照辦理感謝來我們現在來選獨立案 |
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臨時提案第一案有鑒於內政部於數位身份證推動過程中為針對社會諸多疑慮如資安問題數據隱私效益不明顯等等進行政策溝通且帶墮訂定專法先招標再開會使專家淪為橡皮圖章前見種種使立法院朝野一致沒有委員支持該案導致巨額賠償費用原提案要求內政部對全案提出檢討與未來政策方向報告於一個月內送本月內政委員會提案人委員徐新寧等三人 |
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10298.986 |
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第二案有鑒於執法機關應共同合作打擊不法查海巡署於112年10月12日向內政部警政署申請借鑒測量辨識系統內政部警政署於同年12月29日以涉及各資法請海巡署盡洽各資法主管機關事宜後再行評估審酌借鑒海巡署業於113年1月11日涵發個人資料保護委員會籌備出函式至至今5個月人為 |
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10304.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[374].end |
10316.364 |
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完成系統借接原提案要求內政部對全案提出檢討報告於一個月內送本月內政委員會提案人委員徐新穎等3人第三案建於台東縣面積3,515.25平方公里占台灣面積9.78%是台灣第三大縣 |
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10323.172 |
| transcript.whisperx[375].end |
10338.345 |
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就臺東縣113年度附屬單位預算臺東縣消防人員預算緣額僅411人平均一個人負責守護8.5平方公里參照臺東縣消防局2023年救災防護及其他案件類統計火災救護及載送等相關案件總計近26700 |
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719在加上臺東幅員遼闊以及城鄉社區距離較長長期人力不足下導致臺東消防救護工作壓力極大因此人員異動頻繁據臺東縣政府推估臺東縣需要之消防人力約738人仍有372人的巨大缺口 |
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黃建斌委員提案要求內政部於一個月內就協助增加臺東縣消防人力與設備資源擬具相關規劃案以維護臺東縣消防環境與人民生命財產安全提案人委員黃建斌等3人 |
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第4案建於數位身分證換發政策失當契約暫停執行衍生增加費用與內政部在規劃案及管理專法尚未完成前及就章將案件發包給廠商印製驗證建制系統最終因政府政策不透明評估小組輪圍相比圖章學者專家名帶抗議專業被踐踏以及資安及隱私權被侵害風險未解相關運算被本院凍結最後計劃被行政院終止 |
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得標廠商域履約卻因計劃中止而被暫停執行．因而向政府求償．審計部對此亦含請行政院研謀妥善處理之策．緊速確立新式身份證混發政策．以降低契約暫停執行所產生之不經濟支出 |
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今年本院委員已多次對此問題提出質詢：內政部期間無法說明清楚政府因內政部數位身分證換發政策適當所購買機器設備系統建置硬製材料及賠償金衍生支出費用超過14億元現已全部轉嫁由人民承擔：內政部推動數位身分證換發政策為施情節明確 |
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不思改進．意隱瞞．為查明數位身分證換發政策違失情況．自一立法院職權行使法第45條第一項規定．提案建請立法院內政委員會．針對數位身分證換發政策及預算執行違失一案．成立調閱專案小組．謹速釐清真相．追究相關事質人員責任．以善盡國會監督職責．提案人委員徐玉珍等3人 |
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第5案 林口隱世園區社區規劃中央不願重視地方強烈反彈無視林口在社宅數占比已是全國相當高比例之地區且對於周遭國民教育學校都已額滿更違反目前土地使用分區管理不公住宅使用之法令規定對於隱世園區中部分遭廠商欺標之土地難恨評估變更為社會住宅 |
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原此提案要求內政部兩個月內與地方政府進行溝通重視林口鄉親希望維持原本發展影視園區之目標與願景積極重視地方需求與在地就業提案人委員牛許廷等5人 |
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第6案關於淡水淡海新市鎮之交通規劃建設因應淡江大橋2025年通車前交通評估及區域改善在2023年內政委員會考察時提出配合淡海新市鎮二期之計劃道路公路總局也確定規劃淡海新市鎮二期從沙崙路北沿40米寬之計劃道路緩解未來淡江大橋通車後產生於淡水端之龐大車流 |
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考量地方對交通之需求該工程已確定系統建設之計劃其相關單位按規劃之進度加速辦理推動工程進行目標完善區域交通建設原提案要求內政部一個月內完成經費補助審核作業並提出進度之書面報告回覆提案委員提案人委員牛旭亭等5人 |
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第7案 林口特定區計劃保護區面積佔約11000多公頃目前保護區系一都市計劃法桃園市施行細則與都市計劃法新北市施行細則規定管理相關保護區檢討調整今101內政部4月24日都市計劃委員會第778次會議中決議關於林口特定區保護區開發許可要點之通盤檢討及內容妥適性詳細與檢視後暫行辦理 |
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為進度延宕及地方鄉親積極關心．使有加速推進之必要．原此關於林口特定計劃保護區提案要求內政部兩個月內邀及新北桃園市府督促提出通盤檢討及內容妥適性評估作為整體計劃的開展．並與地方鄉親舉辦座談說明提案人委員牛許廷等5人宣讀完畢 |
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好 周委在這邊提醒一下在場的官員還有委員們因為我在9點開會的時候我就已經說了我們的臨時提案是到10點然後呢今天國民黨團有幾個案子是10點03分進入的那麼我跟議事委員交代未來各黨團在10點03分前我們收到的臨時提案我們按照規則大家都一樣所以這是一併來處理第二件事情就是 |
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提案委員還有這個相關的各部會的這個協調有一些文字的部分本席希望在召開這個臨時提案之前趕快處理好不好因為我已經有蠻長時間給你們去跟各提案委員來 |
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來交流溝通是不是可以做一些文字上的修正可以修正的我們就不要浪費太多的時間在這邊在大家一起討論如果不能修正的部分我們就來處理好不好目前第三案第6案第7案有一些文字修正那麼提案委員也同意了所以我們先處理這三案請宣讀謝謝 |
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第三案倒數第四行期待內政部統一協調增加縣市消防人力部分而這些文字修改為黃建兵這些文字刪除對好 |
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第三案倒數第4行期待內政部統一協調增加縣市消防人力刪除現在我們再來處理第6案 |
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第6案第三行道路的道修正文字 |
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第二段文字修正委考量地方對交通之需求該工程已確定系統建設之計劃其相關單位按規劃之進度加速辦理推動工程進行目標完善區域交通建設原提案要求內政部一個月內提出進度之書面報告含經費並列及開闢方式回覆提案委員好以上修正文字提案委員沒有沒有問題吧 |
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夢凱委員好沒問題好沒問題我們就按照修正文字通過好第7案第7案第二段修正委員此關於林口特定計劃保護區提案內政部一個月內督促新北桃園市府緊速提出通盤檢討及內容妥適性評估作為整體計劃的開展並與地方鄉親舉辦座談說明 |
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請內政部一個月內這個也都念完了是不是好請問一下這個修正文字沒問題吧可以好我們就按照修正文字通過我們現在回來來處理第一案請宣讀一下已經剛宣讀了都宣讀過了那第一案這個提案委員好像你堅持這個部分嗎然後我們的這個相關單位這樣子的問題來第一案 |
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你們有什麼意見?你跟這個提案委員溝通了嗎?我剛剛給你們大概9點到現在已經有3個小時溝通了。所以如果溝通還不接受的話,那麼我們就表決好不好?可不可以說明一下?請他說明一下,我們沒有聽到啊。好,來請說明一下。拿麥克風好嗎?麻煩你站到上面來。謝謝。 |
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這部分因為要使一些文字更明確我們是建議修正說原則上我們會提供相關的政策報告的資料那裡面有些文字因為跟現實跟實際上有一點不符所以我們是建議稍微做一下修正比如說第三行 |
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前階種種使立法院朝野一致沒有委員支持該案導致巨額賠償費用這幾個文字因為這個案子有關花花西市身份這計畫曾經提過立法院而且院裡面也通過那個 |
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預算而且這個巨額的賠償也還沒有確定這是一個補償不是賠償的費用所以我們建議說是把這幾個字把它刪掉就是前階總統使立法委員朝野一致沒有委員支持該案導致巨額賠償等費用這幾個字把它刪除掉 |
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請問新委員這個前面這幾個字報告主席前兩分鐘突然拿給我看那我是覺得這個不用改啦就是照這樣內政委員會其他委員也覺得好的是這樣子剛剛稍微我必須要譴責一下你們啦 |
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從9點我們已經拿到了這個臨時提案一直到今天要處理現在11點33分了在當中你們都沒有跟提案委員來溝通嗎那所以如果沒有溝通的話那本席就覺得這個案來表決來同意第一案的請舉手 |
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剛才那個官員你是 不好意思 |
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互證師的代理事長互證師喔他如果說照他所言就是說前階總總使立法院朝野一致沒有委員支持該案那如果這些不是事實的話我們來表決這個一個前提不是的也好奇怪啊那我是支持那個徐委員要求內政部啊來提出整個檢討跟未來政策方向的一個報告那我們中間這個字就變成說是不是也文字來稍微做一個修正啦 |
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那大家可以來支持你說要求整個內政部對這整個權衛未來該怎麼辦來做出一個報告這個是非常合理的但是如果說在護證實際上所講的就是說也沒有說什麼朝野一致沒有委員來支持該案這個就可能是不是我們通過這樣的文字也不同 |
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我現在來做一個我們不要浪費太多的時間好不好因為我剛剛一直在講護政司有三個小時請你們去跟委員溝通重視這些文字如剛剛我們的莊瑞雄幹事長所提的但是你沒有覺得我們的行政官員實在是太不重視這個部分了我已經提過在哪一個委員質詢結束之後我要處理臨時提案所以今天我覺得這個例子不可以再開 |
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我就表決好不好請幹事長理解因為每一個委員會裡面必須要有他的一些些的這個交流溝通的模式那我覺得今天已經有3個小時請行政單位去跟委員而且我必須要說明喔在我還沒有處理臨時提案的時候我一直請議事人員交代議事人員今天的臨時提案請跟行政單位跟委員趕快溝通一直到剛剛 |
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這個徐新英委員說3分鐘前才跟他溝通你如果你今天做召委你覺得你今天這樣子的一個才是你是不是覺得被踐踏 |
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主席主席 |
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這個案確實朝野一致就是這個案後來到現在都沒執行就是暫緩所以我就我了解莊委員你那時候你也沒支持啊所以這個我們這樣寫沒有錯朝野一致對這個案就大家都不支持所以這個案才會停下來啊到現在還 |
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我非常尊重各委員 |
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我也尊重各行政單位你們在三個小時當中都不去處理這樣子的一個文字溝通我要給你們譴責所以呢我們就表決來第一案我們來表決同意徐欣櫻委員所提出的這個臨時提案請舉手謝謝幾位好我們是本委員會裡面的來表決1234566席同意來不同意的請舉手謝謝 |
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一二三四五六六席同樣的那按照立法院職權行使法如果大家有意見的話那麼就是主席可以來做最後的決定所以主席也同意這個臨時提案謝謝我們第二個處理第二個臨時提案對現在的表決是7比6所以這個第一案我們就讓他表決通過謝謝來臨時提案第二案這個文字來說明一下 |
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我們的行政單位來說明一下請署長來說明一下 |
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早安各位委員大家好我想臨時提案第二案我們是建議倒數第一行的對前案提出檢討報告能不能改為進度報告因為這是去年的10月12號提出來的而且是涉及到很多行政部門還有縣市端的協調聯繫我們是不是改為進度做一個說明以上 |
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蘇長你們是什麼時候跟徐新英委員去溝通的也是3分鐘之前嗎沒有早一點但是我有跟大家提說就是檢討報告因為這個就是有問題所以我要請你們檢討嘛就這樣好 檢討裡面可以喊進度報告沒問題剛徐新英委員在做質詢的時候本席也聽得非常的清楚啦蘇長的確這的確我覺得你這個辨識系統界階的部分你們應該禁書而且好像有一段時間沒有處理了 |
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然後其實呢只要你們能夠再跟其他的行政單位來協調合作其實就可以盡早好不好好所以呢這個好是那呃那個新委員進度報告你還是堅持檢討報告對吧好那檢討報告那我們還是一樣就尊重提案委員是不是可以補充好你補充因為這個有涉及到國話會啦因為國話會的部分我了解對那我們還要再去跟他們 |
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解釋他們的見解以後 |
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所以這個全部規則在我這邊檢討是涉及到行政部門沒關係啦你就把這件事情給扛起來嘛好不好因為我剛剛講過海巡署有非常多的警務人員好不好可以嗎好那我們就來部長你還有什麼說明補充一下 |
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我非常尊重委員的意見不過因為涉及的是國發會國發會是行政院的目標單位那因為這個是它是主管機關我們必須尊重所以這一點也必須特別報告請委員這樣子我們一些文字修正心您看就是說是不是提案要求內政部跟其他的部會來提出進度的檢討報告好不好可以嗎可以嗎 |
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進度也放裡面我們才比較能夠要求他們提出進度的檢討報告對啊進度的檢討報告可以嗎過程的檢討報告我覺得過程就不要了啦我們就請這個反正您是今天提出吧我們也尊重您就從今天開始我們來請他們提出檢討進度報告好不好可以吧好來來再念一下好 |
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修正文字最後一段原提案要求內政部與相關部會提出進度檢討報告與一個月內送本會內政委員會這樣可以了吧署長好吧好謝謝您好現在我們來處理第4案第4案這個請問一下有沒有部分要說明好也是代理市長 |
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主席各位委員這個案子我們是先有個徐委員這邊有稍微說明一下也有跟辦公室的主任來溝通一下那目前比較有共識的部分是計劃終止的部分改成計劃暫緩因為整個計劃還沒有 |
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沒有終止是暫緩那第二個部分是補償金那個不是損害的補償他是他是一個他不是賠償金他是一個補償金所以2461011行裡面那個補賠償金就改成補償金那比較 |
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比較有跟委員沒有一致的部分是委員是希望說他還是希望能夠成立一個調查小組來調查相關的資料那我們是希望說能夠在一個月內提供數位身份證換發政策及預算執行的書片報告給內政委員會一個月內那這一部分是比較沒有共識的部分以上 |
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好謝謝大理司長我們看一下246第7行的卻因為計劃中止那個中止呢徐委員是同用暫緩兩個字然後接著下來就是機器設備系統建築印製材料以及那個補償金的部分 |
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賠償金的部分他同意列為補償金然後這兩個的文字是同意這樣修正然後到了後來就是之一立法院執權行事法第45條第一項規定提案建請立法院內政委員會針對數位身份證換發政策及預算執行維持議案成立調閱小組調閱專案小組徐委員提案委員是堅持要成立調閱小組那你們是有意見的對不對好請問一下徐委員 |
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本席堅持要成立調閱專案小組因為其實在這過程中就像剛我在質詢的時候我從決算報告中看出來我們其實目前已經已經花了14億多但是呢內政部卻只用2.8億這邊來告訴大家這是這樣子的一個賠償金所以我認為這個部分應該是要有這個專業的這個專案的調閱小組才能夠把這個事情釐清 |
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提案委員堅持用要有成立調閱專業小組我們是不是也來表決一下請問一下民進黨的幹事長我跟主席還有跟在場所有委員來報告一下這個案子其實 |
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第8屆的時候我就跟主席我們在這個地方當初整個從2013年針對國民身份證跟治安人憑證結合開始去做研究他的第8屆第9屆然後到了20我看一下在 |
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行政院他去在110年他的會議裡面暫緩整個數位身份證的一個換發以後我記得在我們在2021年朝野協商的時候是把整筆的預算來做一個封存 |
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那你現在如果說你說要調一小組基於立法院我們說其實我們過去也都有這個先例我阻擋不了我對這種事情監督行政部門的沒有那麼堅持本來就立法院就發揮監督的一個功能可是還是會碰到一個問題就是說你如果說你像比如說你衍生文字裡面有沒有可能把 |
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不是我我最不擔心的就是我們整個委員會裡面做出的我們表決完我們表決那個前提事實是那個事實怎麼是用表決的呢就讓他們適度的說明你所謂到底是多少你說的好你跟那個徐委員要的是調閱小組啦 |
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我只是覺得也合理啦但重點就是說你那個訴議要跟我清楚啦你那個他如果寫錯了你們也要跟他溝通好啊正確的數字講一下我相信徐委員也不會堅持說哇你的兩頁他跟你說你的14頁14頁你不來個提醒請他趕快修正一下才對所以那個數字我反而會覺得說 |
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這個在朝野政黨之間本來跟行政部門大家去溝通把文字弄得更精確這是好事啦稍後我再次做這樣的一個提醒啦好 謝謝莊委員長我們請徐委員主席我想剛剛莊委員這邊所提到的數字我是依據我們這個內政部的決算報告裡面所計算出來要我這邊一筆一筆的嗎 唸出來嗎 |
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總共就是我得到的資料就是14億超過14億所以我想這個我是有所本的所以我還是堅持既然在這邊說不清楚我覺得我們就是成立吊約專案小組來讓他們講清楚好謝謝門會委員我們請行政部門來稍微說明一下對比14億的部分 |
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跟委員報告齁這個徐委員提到這14億裡面其實是沒有那麼多啦裡面有重複計算的部分我跟我委員一一報告齁第一個 |
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這個費用裡面第一個是我們跟中央印製廠契約的部分我們跟中央印製廠契約的部分是以他印製每一張多少錢來支付比如說一張可能是一百八兩百塊這個是按照期間快速一點好不好因為剛剛徐委師有所本他是從這個決算書裡面看到的 |
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中印跟他的委託廠商東元之間的賠償費用是2.8億這個是買材料的費用那第三個部分是中印為了要執行美印自我的數位身份證他自己去整修廠房跟購買設備這一部分是大概3點 |
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第4案請問民進黨委員 |
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好我們的尊重部長來請您快一點快速的來說一下我們代理市場在講的太複雜簡單來講委員剛剛提到的是決算嘛那個是沒有錯數字沒有錯不過中央印製廠的決算數是我們內政部撥給他的所以那一部分是重複計算大概是這樣子 |
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請問一下民進黨的委員 內政委員會委員 我們是不是可以來處理這案了 |
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我是不是這樣建議大家一起來同意文字做修正你覺得文字應該怎麼修正看你們內政部這邊可不可以再提一下其實我們看到有一些文字修正的部分他都已經有修正了請問一下莊委員你對哪一個文字還有意見 |
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你有什麼意見?有沒有提出一下你的很好的見解? |
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稍微問了我不敢不回答啦不敢不回答我尊重大家就是說我們這個整個臨時提案裏面其實也不用去放進去太多好像是你是說數字嗎費用的數字嗎數字你那個解釋完了我可以接受因為我們立法院這個地方還有哪裏還有哪裏您覺得像譬如說犯法政策委屍情節明確不屍改進刻意隱瞞 |
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這個聽起來就怪怪的啦我們要去調查他既然要調查他就先不用去審判他啦為審先判的那種感覺我們請提案委員來是不是接受莊委員的建議不接受因為其實針對這部分我們確實感受到的就是有刻意隱瞞之嫌所以為什麼要希望能夠成立釣魚的專案小組就是希望能夠把這部分的疑慮釐清 |
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好這樣子好不好我們把那個為師拿掉好不好換發政策請換發這個這個為師情節明確那我也同意剛剛那個因為我們還沒有釣魚小組我們的確不能夠為審先判我們成立了釣魚小組之後呢我們才可以瞭解一下他們是不是有為師的情節這一點我倒是同意莊瑞雄幹事長的提議好不好可以嗎請問學員我們在這邊文字修進好我們請議事人員來幫我們想一下如果有成立的話這個 |
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理事長第4案修正文字 |
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提案建請立法院內政委員會針對數位身分證換發政策及預算執行議案成立調閱小組競速釐清真相追究相關私職人員責任以善盡國會監督還有前面這個身分證換發政策為師情節明確這個為師情節明確把它拿掉內政部推動數位身分證換發政策 |
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不思改進 刻意隱瞞 |
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你臨時提案的第一個我們這個第4案那個賠償改成補償了對但我們第一案賠償金變成補償金那第一案還是賠償費用這樣我們的內政部我們內委會我們兩個案子的這個用詞不一樣我是不是爭取徐委員徐信義委員的同意我們第一案也是把賠償變成補償這樣我們內政委員會我們出去的才有一致 |
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我們剛剛臨時提案是已經通過了但是我也尊重委員但是我今天要再提的就是呢我們的行政單位並沒有在3個小時之內去找徐委員溝通所以呢剛剛昭偉才會就給他們一些懲罰希望他們以後尊重一下昭偉在這邊所說的每一句話請他們提醒他們所以剛剛的這個建議我還是來這個 |
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新英委員 |
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第5案有沒有文字修正? |
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來請說明署長 |
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人家有一個意見那其實我想我們在過程當中因為現在評估還沒有一個結果我們評估有一個結果其實都會跟地方政府去溝通所以這種有關其中的一些文字是不是可以因為我們有跟委員溝通他有一部分文字還是不同意修正但是我覺得站在對國有土地的一個管理跟規劃以及長期因為新北歐是社宅缺口最大的地方 |
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那是不是可以讓我們可以在評估的時候評估以後來跟地方溝通我想這一點我們是會尊重但是有些文字我們還是希望修正 |
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好我們也請提案的牛許廷委員來做一些這個回應這個是這個孟凱委員有特別跟我講啦齁因為這個狀他會這樣子用這樣你不是共同提案人嗎因為是我們主席領導所以縱使這個黃孟凱委員不在牛許廷委員在好謝謝這個原因是這樣因為我想部裡面應該也清楚林口鄉親有抗爭有連署所以作為民意代表如果沒有辦法用 |
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這個你也沒辦法讓孟凱委員跟林口的鄉親交代啦所以希望這一部分部裡面是不是多多擔待那這個臨時提案的總體的意旨關鍵其實還是希望中央跟地方進行完善的溝通啦所以我覺得文字修正與否不影響這個提案的意旨啦是不是就趕快那我就特別再多講一句如果真的溝通的結果林口不要對不對那來跪山我來幫你溝好不好你的社宅進度也可以照常推動 |
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這是國有地那剛好位置在林口事實上就是那邊的鄉親有抗爭所以我了解所以我的意思說因為我們本來程序上就在做評估其實不要不需要用到蠻橫這種字眼因為國有土地本來在交給我們因為他剛剛有講是很堅持啦那堅持後沒有尊重他啦好不好因為畢竟那是在林口的事情嘛好不好所以希望部裡面擔待一下好來我們請政務員 |
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跟主席還有跟國務委員報告這個在新北市這個才你看總統大選才選完才多久而已新北市確實是在整個社宅的部分缺口是最大的各個政黨在選總統的時候都是信誓旦旦要多花錢多花錢那 |
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我是比較難想像雖然我們不是在屬於領口這樣的一個選區可是整個社會住宅的建制希望再繼續增加這是各黨大家都希望一致的政府而且在內政委員會我們一直要求內政部要求國土署每個人來修理每個人的進度都上過班還要趕快找像我都一直要拜託 |
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拜託你們一直再去找那怎麼會據說這個剛好是那個廠商棄標的國有土地然後你去把它做平均變更為社會住宅會變成是蠻橫的評估評估也還沒出來搞不好評估出來新北市政府是很開心的也不一定阿中央出錢阿又企劃你住在這除非你告訴我說林口這個地方完全真的都不需要社會住宅所以是不是阿 |
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就像剛剛劉永遠所提到的部分就是你的意旨是希望再去溝通那既然是這樣子的話這種比較情緒性的真的不要啦這個說什麼那蠻橫評估我也不知道不然該溫柔評估 |
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謝謝莊惠琼委員的提醒稍微這樣子提這個意見雖然這個劉雪婷委員聽一下不好意思 |
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蘇長你同意嗎?好 |
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OK大家同意的話我們就用這個蠻橫這兩個字拿掉當然最重要的是兩個月之內要跟地方政府進行溝通好嗎第5案我們這個文字用進行大家同意嗎好我們就臨時提案第5案通過然後第6案第6第7都已經同意了嗎好的非常謝謝大家我們的臨時提案7案都處理完畢了我們先休息3分鐘然後待會再進行我們的質詢謝謝好不好謝謝大家謝謝 |
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委員會主席 |
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議員會議員會議員會議 |
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議員會議員會議議員會議 |
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議員議員議員議員 |
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委員會主席 |
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議員議員議員議員 |
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委員會主席 |
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議員會議員會議員會議 |
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委員會主席 |
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委員會主席 |
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委員會主席 |
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議員會議員會議員會議 |
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議員議員議員議員 |
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委員會委員會委員會 |
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我們現在繼續開會 我們中午就不休息繼續我們的質詢現在我們請莊瑞雄委員質詢 謝謝謝謝主席 有請我們內政部林部長有請林部長我們警政署黃署長 |
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目前公務機關不管是聘用人員 約戶人員 |
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公務人員一樣並不適用勞動基準法而是屬於公法上的契約的關係因此沒有辦法去適用說五一勞動節的一個放假本席來舉兩個例子比如說一個單位裡面同時有公務人員有業聘人員還有派遣性質的臨時人員但在勞動節 |
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一個單位裡面有些人可以放有些人不能放這個大家都很清楚那另外就是中央跟地方公職啊你自己看二萬一就好了啊很多助理啊這些幕僚啊適用勞基法但基本上都是配合著公家單位還有公職人員的一個工作的一個作息啊所以大部分其實我的了解啊也都沒幫啦那也有人啊 |
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也沒有人會刻意去注意到這一群很辛苦為這個社會國家在付出的一個群體這被勞動節給遺忘了本身還記得我去年在被這一題去年在被大眾討論的時候人總的回應是說 |
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要交由內政部去研議因為你們是紀念日跟節日實施辦法的一個主管機關你們的回應更有意思當時委員提案要把這個辦法升為法的位階你們尊重立法院最終的一個決議 |
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其實這個問題單純是公務員員要不要放應該是人總就能夠決定並來匯給你們但經過一連串這樣討論下來非常大的困難就出在教職人員的一個部分大家很清楚就老師放學生沒放怎麼辦早年兒童節只有兒童放假但兒童放假 |
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所以兩個問題請教部長 |
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是否認同比照兒童節模式的可能目前全年休假日已經滿了部長先前受訪也講說需要有配套配套是什麼先請教 |
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委員其實你非常清楚這一個問題還有方向大概是怎麼樣不過你剛剛提到的那個課題的話基本上現在在思考應該是朝向一個正面肯定的方向在前提 |
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方向明確樂觀其成 |
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是的,但是因為這個涉及這個因為我們雖然是主管機關那法當然我們要修不過這還是這個涉及的是全國的這個事務不是方向明確你說方向明確樂觀其成但問題就是又沒有答案那我問你五月一號可不可以試用我想應該最近這個院會有整體最近應該就會有一個答案 |
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5月1日試用沒問題 |
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我沒有辦法幫院做這樣子的一個報告你這個意思是說方向明朗啦樂觀其成這樣對吧我想我們是正面的方向來看其實正面就是大膽就講有什麼關係胸脯就把它拍下去接下來要來請教我們不能漸越先感謝啦希望5月1號我們內政委員會這樣的一個建議以後啊因為這個其實這個長年的老問題嘛那可以解決這樣的一個問題是好事啦 |
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另外我要請教就是說根梢法實行快兩年我們何時去啟動修法檢討的一個評估我請教署長的就是說我們2021年11月根梢 |
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根梢法三讀通過以後我們在2022年的6月實行將根梢行為明確去入罪並導入書面的一個告誡保護令跟刑事訴訟三道防線那被人報案以後警政單位的開立書面告誡給行為人然後明確告知說你違法兩年內再犯被害可以向法院來民事庭的申請保護令如果再違反保護令的話可以刑責 |
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好了那你跟稍法施行到今年兩當啦從111年6月到今年1月底你們總共受理了4000高霸44間開立的書面告誡3480件違反書面告誡315件從這個數據可以看得出來現行開立的書面告誡雖然是一紙行政命令但是呢確實達到主後的一個效果但本席的問題是說我們 |
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這個法還有很多可以去努力改善的一個空間我來舉例我今天去理事法法治委員會有講過韓國那個主播主那個企鵝妹來台灣全程在直播在環島的時候粉絲開始在對對到他沒有人有人去報案後後來他跟社會規定書面來告誡開立告誡以後是在保護令面前宣誓說我警方已經介入了但是這有一個問題 |
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他們還一直洗洗洗在這段時間如果申請保護令合法這段時間保護令還沒出來以前如何去保護北韓人的安全這第一個第二個喔 |
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稍後我馬上結束第二個很大的問題就是說我們其實其實我們有做出我們有做出決議我們有做出決議就是說我們去年內政委員會還質詢完以後警政署這邊很快就召開一個諮詢小組跟相關研討會跟商法通過立法院三讀通過以後我們通過附帶決議是說內政部必須要三年內去檢視現行法令我們也需要調整我要請問警政署你們現在的規劃如何請一併回答 |
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首先第一點就是如果他有再被根燒的話其實警方可以協助他做一個保護的工作就可以這樣子來執行第二個問題就是說有沒有到今年底要啟動修法我們大概根據專家學者以及協助研討會的一個提出來這段時間執行的內容大概有一個問題就是 |
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這個警察跟檢察官一直前來申請保護鏈的部分大概法官很多都不同意所以希望把它入法也就修在那個根梢法母法裡面來入法那第二個問題就是相對人處理機制這塊這塊可能還要跟衛福部再做一個討論比較細緻的討論來入法才有辦法來推動所以等於說他還有其他的部會要一起協同來處理的是嗎那這不要開玩笑因為 |
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繼續我們請紅森漢委員來質詢謝謝 |
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請部長也請林部長來 委員好部長我時間不多我很快速的跟你請教其實現在我們在租賃市場上面很多房東超收租客的電價來賺差價部長你知不知道這個現象我們知道有一個現象來看下面這張表 |
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那你看一下我舉這個為例房東一層如果各層五間套房兩個月收一次電費五間套房如果大概用兩千度這是合理的度數為例的話在台電的電費單上面可能大概是他會被收台電會跟這個房東收八千塊算下來的話這是下月哦平均一度電大概四塊出頭一點點 |
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但現在如果房東平均一度電收5.5塊5.5塊可能已經很客氣囉現在我們看到6塊6.5塊都有喔如果收5.5塊的話這一期房東可以賺3000塊如果他是收7.69塊的話一期房東可以賺差價7000多塊部長你覺得合理嗎 |
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我想這個當然很明顯的不合理部長現在我們看到這個狀況我們非常非常憂心我其實自己也是租屋主我過去也是長期被超收電費 |
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現在我其實已經質詢了包括經濟部包括我也跟內政部講過我們已經都談過很多次現在台電其實已經成立了租屋電價透明專區已經把這個透明專區建立起來了這是台電的動作快於內政部的地方可是不然我跟你說現在按照我們的規定 |
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只要在夏季每個房東還是可以收到7.69塊分夏季還是可以收到6.03塊簡單來說我們還是認為房東超收3塊左右的電費是合法的部長這是我們現在的規定部長就我們的規定合不合理 |
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我想這個當然也不合理好不然我要提醒其實我們的電價其實是國家或我們國營事業來做一定的成本的吸收跟補貼出來的結果房東居然拿這個補貼來賺差價 |
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今天如果我們國家要在電費上面給一定的優惠照理來說我們的優惠是給房客而不應該反而是被相對權力比較大的房東給拿去反而現在是房客在受害喔是年輕人的房客在受害尤其是住在這些出租套房裡面的年輕人在受害喔所以部長我跟你報告從去年4月到去年11月內政部開了兩次的會但目前幾乎沒有下文 |
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我不斷的追包括從上個禮拜在追目前都沒有下文我們的內政部還是允許房東超收一度店3塊多以上的店價部長你覺得接下來該怎麼辦 |
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13510.028 |
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委員我對您報告一下這個在上個禮拜我有親自針對這個問題召開會議那我們大概幾個方向第一個是租屋的公共設施電費已經有向臺電申請分算者這部分沒有問題那現在有問題的是租屋的公共設施電費沒有申請分算或者是申請電表的獨立電表這部分有問題因為那 |
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13540.448 |
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這部分我們現在打算把它放在這個定型化契約裡面去律定另外就是如果今天這個租屋者就是說房東沒有去在針對公共設施去分設這個電表的話我們有一個方向就是說這一部分應該是由公共設施的這一部分的電費由房工來負擔部長之前內政部給我的回答都是因為房客可能也不知道平均電價是多少 |
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但現在在台電其實已經設立了這個透明化專區以後其實按照台電的程序他們是可以查得到自己的平均電價的所以現在缺的靈門一角是內政部應該在我們的租賃契約應記載跟不得記載事項上面明確規定房東不得超收超過平均每度平均電價這樣子的規定就應該規定上去而不是再用現在的每度電還可以收到7.69下月收到7.69 |
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| transcript.whisperx[517].text |
謝謝委員指教那個我上禮拜親自開會然後也做了一些方向上的 |
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確認跟支持那最近應該是最近這一兩個禮拜我們會再開一次會然後就應該可以收點訂單部長所以一個月內可以完成這件事我想一個月內沒問題部長我要給你看一下下一張我們是現在最擔心的現在台電可能因應成本會來調整電價房東居然又在抄收上再抄收然後租客認為不合理政府又無法可罰最後明月回到政府其實這變成是一個loop |
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這變成是一個loop我們希望我們接下來在內政部的動作上面就可以阻斷這個不當的循環不要再讓超收這種不正義的事情發生部長你現在也很重視 我知道你很重視建築的節能你可以想像今天假如一個房東他一度電他可以超收3塊你覺得這個房東希望房客多用電還是少用電 |
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13643.158 |
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| transcript.whisperx[520].text |
拜託,沒有問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[521].end |
13673.618 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].text |
黃國昌委員質詢 |
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| transcript.whisperx[522].end |
13714.773 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].text |
謝謝主席麻煩有請部長我有請林部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].start |
13729.768 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].end |
13749.972 |
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陳委員你好部長好2008年的時候蔡總統在自由廣場跟台灣社會道歉說那個時候上一次民進黨執政的時候推極有法的修正不利跟社會道歉現在已經是2024年了請問蔡總統莊嚴的承諾什麼時候要兌現?集會遊行法 |
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13755.99 |
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13759.893 |
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什麼時候要兌現他改革的承諾請教部長請教部長請教部長請部長回答這個是內政部主管的業務請部長回答我們請部長說明回答一下謝謝我想結合法的部分我們 |
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在我們也會再跟相關因為這個其實你也知道這個其實也牽扯到相關蠻複雜的問題牽扯到什麼複雜的問題這是你們的政治承諾啊跳跳到現在2024年欸什麼時候要修正 |
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部長你還記不記得你以前在當民主進步黨副秘書長的時候你對於極有法的評價是什麼你是不是曾經說過現行的極有法有違憲之餘請部長暫停時間請部長回應跟委員報告這一個案子因為之前有送到立法院不過藉其不續審又推回來了第9屆的時候這個是蔡英文跳票的解釋嗎 |
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這是蔡英文票票的解釋嗎我在請教你啊你在當民主進步黨副秘書長的時候是不是認為極有法有違憲之餘我想集會遊行的部分當然我們應該隨著民主政治的一個進步來做改善我想這一點方向是所以做了什麼改善現在我的問題很具體嘛民進黨執政8年做了什麼改善這個是你當初 |
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在當副秘書長的時候集會遊行法違憲應廢除你還記得嗎你還記不記得我想這一部分在這邊說明一下倒不是像委員說的這樣子因為這一部分我們的確是在相關我跟妳報告一下因為在之前相關的一個會議我們其實是有進行不過在之前疫情的確是緩了一下暫停 |
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13887.363 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].end |
13888.364 |
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所以拖了8年以後法案還在內政部繞嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[530].start |
13906.898 |
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13924.196 |
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是有在進行,因為剛剛在講3年的疫情期間的確是暫停相關的一個事情3年的疫情期間跟休期會遊行法到底有什麼關係啊?因為會議沒有辦法召開嘛可以拖拖成這樣?本月那個時候前4年內政委員會都停擺喔? |
| transcript.whisperx[531].start |
13925.277 |
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不好意思我那四年因為人不在立法院我想請教一下昭文這四年我們內政委員會有停擺嗎沒有停擺我們繼續開會的你在扯什麼啊沒有沒有委員那個時候像疫情的嚴重時間你也知道那個沒有沒有相關的一個召集會議今天你站在這裡 |
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告訴大家蔡英文跳票的理由是因為疫情大家聽得下去聽不下去我們接受檢驗請委員不要這樣子貼標籤我剛剛已經說過了哪裡講錯請你指教嘛我剛剛已經說過了我們在今年的六月份我們會送部會議來進行審查沒有關係嘛所以是有進度的繼續拖嘛繼續混嘛 |
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13968.906 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].end |
13993.298 |
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委員你講話可以小聲一點我都聽得到好來沒有關係我們繼續看當初你在當基隆市市長的時候人家要去申請國門廣場結果被你喝斥了說齁哇這種為了搞選舉不擇手段國門廣場不可以舉辦政治性的活動講的是正正有詞阿結果呢去年選舉的時候這場活動在哪裡舉辦的 |
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13997.157 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].end |
14016.582 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].text |
委員我跟您報告第一個在我執政時期包括我們的市民廣場還有所有的廣場我們不准舉行相關的一個政治活動這樣的態度跟立場是一致的對嘛所以呢所以不換你執政的時候人家開放了你就高高興興的跑到國門廣場去做政治聚會喔委員 |
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14028.387 |
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新的市長他要開放這個廣場那就是依照相關的規定去申請了KPK主席也在那個地方來舉辦了我們把它定位成是一個市民活動的廣場蔡英文那時候說什麼把街頭還給人民啊 |
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14042.552 |
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14063.593 |
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只有在自由的街頭我們才有自由的社會啊這是我們民主進步黨的責任啊你自己在當市長的時候國門廣場搞政治戒嚴別人開放的時候馬上喜滋滋的去那邊搞政治活動我有說錯嗎委員我們沒有搞政治戒嚴請不要這樣子亂貼標籤啊這一點我完全不接受 |
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14064.673 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].end |
14073.295 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].text |
我們廣場在你市長任內的時候不是不能舉辦政治活動嗎?我們所有的市民的開放空間回歸給市民舉辦相關的活動所以按照你這樣講這個不是回歸給市民舉辦活動我們舉辦一般性的活動但是現在他們不做這樣的決定嗎?我們尊重現在的市政府 |
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14090.266 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].end |
14093.568 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].text |
委員 請瞭解整個金融市當時的狀態 這一點你剛剛講的這個指控我完全不接受 謝謝 |
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14111.499 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].end |
14116.201 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].text |
你先不接受是你的事啊我尊重委員說話不過也請委員那我還是自己主管違憲嗎現在自己當部長對自己主管的法規違憲毫無作為啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].start |
14127.765 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].end |
14128.466 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].text |
無期名召委質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].start |
14151.735 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].end |
14152.676 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].text |
國土管理署署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].start |
14172.776 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].end |
14201.371 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].text |
好部長早上大家都在談論四位身份證的造反那四位身份證這是在過去啦也不是你任內啦在那個治安的風險以及隱私的保護那目前已經停止了那廠商的球場2.8億是不是請我們副政司來做說明嗎這還是還是部長你來做說明 |
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14203.134 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].end |
14203.494 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].text |
4.8億還有2.8億的補償那加起來 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].start |
14233.153 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].end |
14248.716 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].text |
7點幾億嗎?對,這是我們在預算執行的部分,決算的部分因為這一定要說明,早上10幾億,所以有重複的計算包括我們支付給中央印製廠的經費 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].start |
14253.443 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].end |
14254.484 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].text |
請部長休息,我們請署長,謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].start |
14272.103 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].end |
14294.898 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].text |
市長現在我們整個社宅的推動現在進步怎樣跟委員報告其實現在都符合我們原來設定的目標那我們在目前截止直接興建已經到了9萬5千多戶那今年在目前的這個開標也都非常順利我想今年直接興建也沒有問題那包租代管 |
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14296.099 |
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14305.909 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].text |
應該會超出我們原來的預期因為包租貸款成長率很高那租金補貼目前的申請數也已經遠超過50萬戶那所以今年要達標這個租金補貼50萬也沒有問題那 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].start |
14310.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].end |
14340.226 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].text |
租金貸款現在你說現在已經已經有超標了那整個包租貸款那你整個國債20萬戶那包含包租貸款那有沒有有沒有辦法今年就可以達標跟委員報告就是直接興建的9萬5以後我們目前跟地方政府到今年截止各個案的這個開標都非常的順利所以在今年應該把說可以把如期的達成這些案件的一個 |
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14340.936 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].end |
14341.761 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].text |
一個一個開標跟開工來興建 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[550].end |
14352.963 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].text |
好,這樣很好,因為怎麼樣這是大家都很關心的我們的蔡總統過去所有大贏的20萬戶那8年會達成這個目標那未來我也在這向署長來拜託因為在土城三峽這邊的年輕人的國債需求量還是很大未來在這邊要如何推動 |
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14396.049 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].text |
議員． |
| transcript.whisperx[552].start |
14396.949 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].end |
14397.069 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].text |
內政部部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].start |
14424.656 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].end |
14449.754 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].text |
國路管理署跟住戶中心一定會聯手跟地方政府合作一起再把社宅的數量持續的擴大好的因為你剛才所說的我們的土層我們要顧這四地重劃這裡面有一塊那個社宅還有一塊就是幾光四村幾光四村是國防部我們早期也有規劃這邊要來蓋社宅 |
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14452.156 |
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14467.3 |
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那我請問吉光市村這個案子你有了解嗎?有有,它現在就是道路的部分還有跟市府這邊在協調,那我們其實進度都持續在辦理中,那個沒有什麼問題。這個國產路有問題吧?沒有。沒有問題啦。對對。好。 |
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14471.892 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].end |
14472.892 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].text |
3月18日及20日二天一次會議 |
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| transcript.whisperx[556].end |
14488.257 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].text |
跟委員報告就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].start |
14510.894 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].end |
14528.491 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].text |
只要接下來有去亂徵收勢力重劃的案子我們都會優先在會跟地方政府來協商優先來劃那除非他真的真的在規劃上沒有辦法配合我們會也跟他協商優先用專案讓售把他這個不管是抵費地或是 |
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14529.051 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].end |
14529.311 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].text |
：新北市政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].start |
14544.972 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].end |
14545.572 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].text |
主席主席 |
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| transcript.whisperx[560].end |
14574.775 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].text |
市長現在詐騙集團打詐是政府最積極要來出題所以現在已經把我們說在我們的私費身份證的延續就是因為有這個智慧 |
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14594.52 |
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14595.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].text |
委員會主席 |
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14620.408 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].end |
14635.363 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].text |
謝謝委員剛剛委員可能提到的是大概個資外洩的問題導致我們被民眾被詐騙那這個大概這種類型大概解除分局付款那種手法是比較多比方說我們去購物完了以後就接到電話 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].start |
14636.224 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].end |
14636.244 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].text |
拜訪議員 |
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14653.904 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].end |
14673.337 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].text |
這個部分還有就是政府的一個簡信有政府同意碼的一個簡信發送的部分那速發部也是已經建置了透過公開的公的那個發布那個簡信來這個比較有公信力很多配套措施都一直在推動進行中 |
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| transcript.whisperx[565].end |
14675.219 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].text |
非常感謝齊明昭委的質詢謝謝署長謝謝繼續我們請鄭天才委員質詢 |
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14713.233 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].end |
14738.873 |
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主席有請部長我們有請林部長部長好辛苦了部長要跟你談不再起投票希望能夠從原住民族的立法委員實施不再起投票我們看這個今年 |
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14740.011 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].end |
14767.168 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].text |
印尼在臺灣實施不再起投票在今年的2月14日印尼的這個外勞在我們來說外勞印尼的移工在臺灣實施不再起投票這個你看這個地址這個下面的地址是花蓮瑞穗鄉我的媽媽89歲 |
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14770.137 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].end |
14797.064 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].text |
照顧我媽媽的勞工外勞是印尼的他在台灣已經投票兩次了在台灣已經投票兩次了那今年2月14日印尼的總統大選還有國會議員這個他的勞工我的外勞我家的外勞的勞工8個月前來到台灣因為切工所以他進來了 |
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14798.902 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].end |
14799.122 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].text |
議員提供 |
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| transcript.whisperx[570].end |
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印尼在台灣實施不再舉投票103年就開始了103年108年113年已經三次了所以這個部分我們真的是我們自稱為民主法治國家連在台灣我們都沒有辦法實施 |
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所以這個真的是印尼幅然遼闊他們的移工到臺灣都可以直接就實施所以這個部分這個部長真的是要我們就先從最簡單的為什麼援助民主我們非常這個臺灣很小要跟印尼比我們真的很小但是我們卻沒有辦法做到 |
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尤其是原住民的立委的選區台澎金嘛每個地方都有投票所最容易實施的對不對最容易實施的我就不曉得為什麼我們要跑到這麼遠的地方去投票所以我們的投票率你看看原住民的立法委員跟非原住民的投票率的差距這麼大 |
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本席： |
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這個也提出公職委員選舉罷免法第17條的修正草案針對原住民的立法委員先實施這個我也提出總統副總統罷免法第13條的修正草案也是針對原住民的立法委員先實施不再舉投票確實沒辦法做到本席在第一次提案是105年了106年 |
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12月7日內政委員會審查通過108年3月11日完成草野協商很遺憾的沒有完成三讀我上一屆也提了這一次又提了這一屆又提部長可不可以先實施這是最容易的非常謝謝委員 |
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大概這些都演繹過我們因為國情的狀況真的還是不太一樣那第一個是現在如果比如說是中央的選舉的話那如果要這樣子做的話大概會有76種的選票 |
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也就是區議會第三種然後政黨還有山地跟平地原住民所以加起來會有76種選票這個在實際的選務上面會有執行上的一個困難那所以政策上面還是希望說我們從那一致性的比如說公投的這種公投案的部分來顯現那至於選舉的部分你還要再看或許推動的一個狀況 |
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我強調的是原住民的立法委員先實施不再起投票就跟你剛才講的完全無關喔好我們就講總統選舉台澎金馬對不對原住民的選舉立法委員喔也是台澎金馬有什麼困難中選會從上一屆我質詢中選會 |
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他們都說完全沒有問題在作業上完全沒有問題在作業上完全沒有問題所以這個可以做的講了剛剛的理由人家從國外來到台灣都可以實施我們只不過是在台灣而且在限收在限收到原住民的立法委員的選舉 |
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公選會都說完全沒有困難但是每次都說因為這個法律不是我主管是內政部可以嗎因為我們都有提案請這個召委能夠安排 |
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希望部長能夠也認為樂觀其成宗教團體以自然的名義登記不動產處理戰刑條例這個已經這個法例當初審查了所以我主持的但是很多都沒有辦法這個被接受所以現在已經實施一段時間了請內政部把目前 |
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實施的結果目前這個條例實施的結果提個書面資料給我可以嗎好沒有問題好多久可以一個月內好一個月好謝謝非常謝謝我們的部長的回應也謝謝鄭天才委員的質詢一個月之內送到除了這個政委員辦公室之外也給我們其他的原住民立法委員好謝謝 |
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王洪威委員質詢王洪威委員不在張雅玲張雅玲張雅玲委員質詢張雅玲不在繼續請吳麗華委員質詢謝謝主席有請部長有請林部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].start |
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委員好部長好首先感謝因為過去我們都非常的關心就是原住民地區現在我們看到警察越來越少所以我們也希望外面的原住民級的警察呢也有機會依照他的意願反擊服務反向服務那謝謝在上一週我看到內政部的回函有針對這個部分讓我們知道說有去修訂修改辦法了 |
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未來我們的原鄉反擊會變得更順暢在這邊謝謝但是除了反擊服務我們也是要去看還有沒有可以做的事情過去質詢我一直關心 |
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原住民把我們的警察當作是一個大家很願意投入的職業曾經高峰期都高達原住民在我們的整個警察裡面高達有7、8%可是您看一下光是這10年 |
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因為進入的管道窄了加上大量的退休光是這10年就從4.2%一直下降到2點多已經不到3%那這個現象我們就想說開源節流嘛那是不是能夠開一些門我們就希望說警政署可不可以去增加原住民的一個警察考科那非常謝謝部長也非常謝謝署長 |
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從之前我們這個質詢的過程當中我們發現你們都是支持的、肯定的、積極的那考選部那邊也是這樣的可是警政署是說希望在一般警察的內科去增設原住民行政類可是我現在就是想要問一下部長跟署長關於你們這個意見目前辦理的進度你們知不知道考選部的意見 |
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這部分我先請黃淑蘭教授說明跟委員報告那考選部的意見是說在希望在警察特考裡面來來辦理對他不希望說在行政的體系的部分來增加的警察好對 |
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人民的意見是不一樣的但是也是很支持那他的理由是什麼他說若是人民特考的精神 |
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所以要在原住民族特考裏面增加行政警察類科取代警政署提出的意見也就是說在警察特考中加入原住民族行政的考科因為他說依照新增類科處理要點的規定他說不可以在同一個考試中新增同樣職務的類科那我想要請教一下部長或署長如果按照考選部的這個方案 |
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因為這個是他們支持的方案 那請問警政署這邊會碰到什麼問題?為什麼會有問題? |
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有很嚴重嗎?不能夠解決嗎? |
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對,因為他影響到原住民同仁的權益,所以我們還是要跟考選部這邊,現在目前在積極溝通所以你們還在積極溝通?是是是,因為考選部的總會會了我一開始找警政署來問的時候,其實你們是說因為原民特考不是國家考試啦 |
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說最好是國家考試你們才能夠轉嫌但是我現在要講的就是說依照我們的公務人員考試法他有特別提到就是會因應特殊機關像是身心障礙者援助民族之就業權益可以比照前項考試舉行12345等類科的特種考試其實這個就是我們援助民族特考的授權的母法我們是從公務人員法這邊授權的 |
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15438.361 |
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現在我們來看一下如果說修正警察人員人事條例施行細則他就修了這個第4條所以就有了這樣的一個說只依公務人員考試所舉行的高考普考初考還有特種考試之警察人員考試及格 |
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所以在這個地方我們就發現他的一個解釋就不一樣了啦所以我是在想說這個部分麻煩因為你們剛剛有提到你們也跟考選部已經在積極溝通嘛是不是可以在兩週內提出一個方向 |
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另外一個我想問一下因為在今天的內政部的業報當中有看到未落實司法院的這個803號解釋推動原住民漁民自製獵槍漁槍的許可及管理辦法的立法工作 |
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然後112年5月起辦理了8場分區座談收集各界意見以提升自製列槍的安全性那我也要特別先感謝因為部長署長謝謝之前我們說要求你們再重新去辦分區座談你們也都做到而且我記得不是8場而已你們還加了1場應該是再加宜蘭8加1 9場那我現在要問說請問你們現在在收集意見嗎阿有沒有那些需要再修的 |
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15545.742 |
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這個我請黃署長說明謝謝委員我想我們在收集意見的時候也有提到說是不是自治列槍的部分也要那邊到我們辦法裡面這是你們收集到的意見嗎基本上還有委員的支持有一個提醒是這一方面可以那我們基本上我們也是同意雙國制 |
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15546.562 |
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15547.103 |
| transcript.whisperx[601].text |
再加上最高法院的判決 |
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15579.512 |
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照理說槍砲彈藥刀械管制條例這個也要修進去所以我也想知道你們重新公告有沒有包含這些內容還有包括那個自製獵槍的部分那我想因為時間的關係我在另外提那個書面的也希望你們可以到辦公室來討論可以嗎 |
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人民會會在3月份會再開會就安全的部分跟國安部一起做的我也希望人民會它其實有一個原住民族司法諮詢委員會我是希望說這個部分未來針對非知識列槍定定的這一些諮詢跟確認的機制其實都可以善用人民會的這個原住民族司法諮詢委員會好不好 |
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我開了三次的協調會也把國防部納注進來了那麼在我們的這個魚槍獵槍自製的範圍裡面第一原住民的自製已經可以雙軌制了以前警政署可能只有單軌就是進口的這些零件做成了一把槍之後原住民才可以買它 |
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但是現在因為我三次開了協調會現在國防部也進來了警政署也進來了原民會也進來了國防部會將對槍砲彈藥條例裡面五個合格的這些零組件把它變成原住民可以自製那我就想知道國內的廠商也可以製作了吼 |
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只要符合那個規格國內廠商也可以製作﹖是嗎﹖署長部長﹖那國內廠商如果符合規格也可以製作嗎 |
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| transcript.whisperx[607].end |
15671.006 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].text |
國內廠商也可以製作嗎?所以國內廠商也可以來製作? |
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15688.605 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].text |
對,因為如果是按照這個邏輯只要符合規格原住民也可以製作嘛對不對 |
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15701.791 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].text |
繼續我們請黃珊珊委員來質詢謝謝 |
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15746.384 |
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15758.992 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].text |
臺北市送到內政部有兩個很重大的議案然後到現在從我在臺北市副市長卸任到現在內政部都還沒有什麼進展主要有一個可能部長也清楚的是大灣北段 |
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15783.756 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].text |
當然北戴安送到內政部他在105年被監察院糾正然後臺北市政府已經按照相關的都市計劃並相關的要求做一些相關的規劃那也送到內政部整整快5年了5年的時間我認為對的決定要做不對的決定也要做不做決定是不對的 |
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15784.847 |
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15804.069 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].text |
也就是拖了5年這5年我知道中央跟地方一直有來來往往我也曾經拜訪過前任的徐國勇部長所以我想問一下到底現在整個大灣北段中央的意見是什麼還有未來的類似的狀況能不能夠再避免 |
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15831.955 |
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非常謝謝委員的關心我上任之後其實也針對這個案子做了一些了解目前的一個進度是這樣子我們這個內政部給市政府幾點建議第一個就是請市政府依照建物使用的執照時間次序第二個是違規使用與否還有第三是變更之後使用項目還有強度第五是房價你認為這些問題需要討論五年嗎 |
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15836.218 |
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15840.841 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].text |
所以問題是在哪呢?我同意他是一個前無古人的案例必須要定出一些原則如果中央有很多的意見應該定出一個規範 |
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一個以後不要再發生的防備的措施然後這個案子部長你覺得要怎麼解決是按照台北市的方案去計算金額還是直接把他們拆光光當然都不是第一個是我們也提了一些建議那目前台北市回的是指六項裡面其中一項就是空地的部分他們有同意那我們希望就是說其實可以針對其他 |
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15910.78 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].text |
他們不同一個五項應該還有空間這樣子會比較符合公平的一個原則所以部長很簡單需要有什麼問題一次講清楚不用這樣再來揮揮手如果一個民眾他這樣等了五年他也不知道他的房子將來怎麼辦我覺得這樣是不對的無論如何一個政府不可以放在那邊150年然後沒有任何進展 |
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委員講這句話我非常同意是不是可以在您的不管您有沒有留任在520之前應該有個初步的方案了吧我非常希望所以比如說像之前我們在處理社子島的時候我也是直接跟蔣市長直接溝通是的大彎段的這一個部分我們也打算這樣子來做 |
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15945.334 |
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好,重點是時間趕快做決定如果有要什麼補資料每一次都是補一點補一點二月五月十月各補充一個資料我看了這個東西就覺得我們內政部不應該是這樣的效能啊 |
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立法院內政部部長 |
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三月八號說部長把公文退回所以我到三月十八號今天還調不到任何涉及到相關進度的資料這是怎麼回事?是部長不想給我公文嗎?倒不是 |
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為什麼說部長把官員退回說我要再等呢 時間 抱歉委員我跟您報告一下因為最主要是因為我們都要看新聞才能知道內政部的訊息嗎倒不是 跟委員報告一下因為我跟蔣市長碰面是一個非常重大的一個改變所以我們很關心我們才需要知道內容啊 是如果這個內容我們都不清楚的話怎麼 這不是很重大嗎是當然重大 那應該要讓委員知道吧 是 |
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你到了18天的資料很抱歉我會請迪恩斯這邊趕快給你送過去所以現在的進度如何了現在的進度就是我跟蔣市長大概基本上有共識因為之前的大的都市計畫還有交通的問題基本上方向是值得要檢討那這蔣市長也同意那另外就是他的時程有沒有時程 |
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不要說同意,那時程怎麼樣?對,有兩個問題嘛,第一個他5%的社宅能不能做到裡面?他不需要,因為他的負擔已經超過50%,在那一天我們有溝通所以你不留社宅? |
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不是,它裡面有那個就是要遷移的專用的那個是當地安置的對,那是安置的我們不強加,不要求臺北市要在裡面再多增加設宅這一點我們是可以同意的因為它的負擔已經超過50%第二個部分就是安置戶現在最擔心的就是這些人的安置還有所謂的替儲我只需要知道內政部有沒有規劃的時程 |
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提供時程。我想所有的居民都在等。臺北的最後發展也是這一塊。我也很希望能夠盡快讓他訂案。不過委員我跟您報告一下他有兩個問題。第一個最重要的是交通的問題必須要先訂案。所以我在這個禮拜我也會去拜訪侯友宜市長把這部分再把他。部長這些事情大家都很關心。所以把相關的進度都一一的跟我們做說明。給我一份完整的書面報告而不是這樣 |
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繼續我們請陳雪生陳雪生陳雪生委員不在林俊憲林俊憲林俊憲委員不在蘇清泉蘇清泉蘇清泉委員不在林德福林德福林德福委員不在 |
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16169.862 |
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謝依鳳 謝依鳳 謝依鳳委員不在游浩 游浩 游浩委員不在鍾嘉斌 鍾嘉斌 鍾嘉斌委員不在羅明才 羅明才 羅明才委員不在傅坤祺 傅坤祺 傅坤祺委員不在陳俊宇 陳俊宇 陳俊宇委員不在何新淳 何新淳 何新淳委員不在林思敏 林思敏 林思敏委員不在鄭振前 鄭振前 鄭振前委員不在 |
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16176.327 |
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紅夢凱 紅夢凱 紅夢凱委員不在羅廷偉 羅廷偉 羅廷偉委員不在繼續請王世堅委員質詢謝謝主席我請內政部林部長好 有請林部長謝謝主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].start |
16198.175 |
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16210.974 |
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部長兩個問題啦一個設施的開發第二個大灣北段我先說最近我看你們內政部的一些表現作為我覺得你們好像有點數饅頭的心態啦 |
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16213.497 |
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16234.403 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].text |
好像大家等著照畢業照的所以那些回答都蠻敷衍的啦比方說我現在先談社址島的開發我想社址島開發我相信部長也有相當的用心力但是整體給我們社會大眾尤其社址島居民的感覺覺得 |
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16263.661 |
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你們都是原地踏步沒有任何的進展我相信設施島你去看過就曉得那是幾乎已經到了不人道的對待啦設施島過了晚上八點像個鬼島一樣啦沒什麼公共建設衛生下水道沒有連一個基本的不要說醫院連一個診所都沒有 |
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16265.014 |
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16269.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].text |
路燈愛亮不亮亮一邊沒有任何的地標惡臭不堪 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].start |
16273.047 |
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16294.937 |
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攝氏島的居民忍受了70年好不容易30年前開始提到要開發政府先是問肚子餓了你要吃中餐還是西餐牛排好不好義大利麵好不好還是吃刺身麵問了30年問到現在還是回到原點肚子餓了你要吃什麼拜託 |
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16320.679 |
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你先給碗白飯吧總可以吧不是嗎這樣子欺負人那麼現在各項的民意調查97.5%的社址島居民都贊成要開發而且我們贊成的這個案是已經經過十幾二十年跟市政府的會商這叫社址島生態開發 |
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16325.026 |
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16349.278 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].text |
深海設施島的計畫可以滿足包括我們設施島居民也滿足環保團體的要求也滿足全體市民對設施島這樣兩岸流域難得的我們可以促進成為一個水岸城市這是共同的一個看法嘛結果送進來內政部三拖兩不拖就拖了三年多 |
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16350.534 |
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16377.387 |
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拖了三年多每次都大概大家耐性都耐不住就稍微問一下那內政部從先前幾年下來每次每拖了一年大家問就回一張文回個文簡簡單單五六十個字就打發掉意思就是說當地還有不同的意見那還要找各界再來研議 |
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16398.439 |
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隨隨便便搞了一年多回一個五六十個字拜託一天寫一個字也不用拖一年啊結果這樣三拖兩不拖就搞了三年多啦所以我認為部長我希望在你卸任之前以你的專業以我們大家對你的理解 |
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16429.563 |
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過去你在各項職務上面你的優良表現我相信你可以給社子島的開發做一個更精確的一個回覆跟判斷第一點現在就可以答應開發不是嗎現在就可以馬上進行不是嗎第二點現在在主腦在推研的還有什麼理由你的看法呢 |
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16430.333 |
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16446.112 |
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好,非常謝謝委員的指教我非常的贊成社子島的民眾應該要有更好的一個生活所以這個案子我也非常重視所以我上任之後我自己親自我開了不下10次的專案會議就是要去釐清這個問題 |
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16464.814 |
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我們非常希望臺北市政府其實有一個東西必須要確定也就是我那天跟蔣市長碰面的時候特別提到進到社子島的這個輕軌的系統臺北市必須要確定而且騎乘必須要出來 |
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16465.555 |
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16465.575 |
| transcript.whisperx[641].text |
吳蔣英 |
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| transcript.whisperx[642].end |
16519.757 |
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秦桂計劃秦桂計劃要確定秦桂這是很好這我相信對設施到未來那在居住在使用上面確實這個會很大的幫助他是不要的他是不要的你有所不知的就是說臺北市現在光是北環東環南環光這三段啊因為這三年疫情那物價 |
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16525.824 |
| transcript.whisperx[643].text |
工資大幅上漲關於這3條我們現在差了就440億 |
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16527.731 |
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16556.766 |
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這是另外一個問題是我們市政府要來跟中央來請求補助的地方所以啊這個社址島的輕軌我用三個字啦台灣話講我們該預留這個軌道這個路線下來嘛但是不能以這個條件來框住社址島那時間有限我再跟你提一下大灣北段大灣北段那也是一個很離譜的事情 |
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16558.026 |
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人民有免於恐懼的自由住在大灣北段這1895每天成王成孔為什麼就怕市府來分區使用不當分區使用不符合他們會開罰這開罰6萬元一次可以連續罰第二次也是再6萬第三次除了罰金還要斷水斷電 |
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16584.992 |
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16600.153 |
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當北段絕大多數的居民窮一生之力難得買了這麼一戶房子要安家立業的結果要被這樣子所謂的使用分區不服而這個使用分區不服是建商導致的 |
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16612.862 |
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如果使用分區不符要導正回來過去就應該這一筆貸金回饋金就應該由建商來繳我們政府應該要的是要去要這些建商這十幾家建商蓋的這1890戶結果現在這1890戶透過市府透過議會說我們願意自己繳也算了一個金額 |
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16649.686 |
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一品算47,500送來內政部也是一拖拖三年不好意思霍主席因為難得有機會抱怨一下所以我跟部長講一下部長好不好這兩個案子我認為都刻不容緩迫不及待應該要趕快做一個明確的裁釋才對依你的專業我相信你可以做得到 |
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16650.467 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].end |
16651.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[649].text |
謝謝王思江委員的質詢,也謝謝部長的回應,謝謝 |
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| transcript.whisperx[650].end |
16683.514 |
| transcript.whisperx[650].text |
登記發言委員除拜不在場之外：其餘都已經發言完畢了：詢答結束委員蔓玉珍、牛許廷、陳冠廷、林俊憲所提的書面質詢列入記錄刊登公報。書面質詢和未及答覆的部分請相關單位於一周之內以書面答覆並且複製本會本日的議程處理完畢我們現在休息3月20日繼續開會大家辛苦了謝謝 |
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16689.701 |
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16691.702 |
| transcript.whisperx[651].text |
委員會主席委員會主席 |