| IVOD_ID |
15733 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/15733 |
| 日期 |
2024-03-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-23-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期交通委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期交通委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-03-18T08:31:21+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-03-18T12:17:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
03:45:39 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/f826c2e4afc302dd3e43fff42b9abd61d2752fdacda41c863be8d109af184be42390a27cfa93bd325ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-03-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期交通委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：邀請交通部首長率同中央氣象署署長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
【3月18日、20日二天一次會】） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
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08:31:21 - 12:17:00 |
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好現在開會出席委員已足法定人數現在開會請議事人員宣讀上次會議議事錄 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期交通委員會第3次全體委員會議一事錄時間113年3月11日星期一上午9時7分至下午1時21分地點本院紅樓201會議室出席委員陳素月等13人列席委員林德甫等35人請假委員2人列席官員國家通訊傳播委員會主任委員陳耀祥等主席陳昭吉委員學生報告事項宣讀上次會議一事錄決定一事錄確定 |
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一、邀請國家通訊傳播委員會報告業務概況．並備質詢二、邀請國家通訊傳播委員會進行專題報告一項．並備質詢本日會議由國家通訊傳播委員會主任委員陳耀祥說明後繼由委員翁曉琳等25人提出質詢均經主任委員陳耀祥及相關人員分別予以答覆決定一、說明及詢答完畢二、有關本日國家通訊傳播委員會業務及專題報告 |
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請補充資料並另折其補行報告本日書面報告列入紀錄並刊登公報三委員呈數月等六人所提書面質詢均列入紀錄並刊登公報四委員於質詢中要求提供相關書面資料或為其答覆部分請國家通訊傳播委員會盡速以書面答覆通過臨時提案氣象散會宣讀完畢 |
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請問各位委員．上次會議議事錄．有無錯誤或遺漏之處好．議事錄確定來介紹那個在場 |
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謝謝各位委員大家對於交通部氣象署業務而如此關心氣象關心到人民的生活那第二我再一次的說明有關於 |
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會議基本規範我們召開會議所設定的題目如果退回報告那就失去了開會的基本目的當日的會議就必須要以座談會的形式來做處理 |
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陳雪生召委的處理我們予以尊重都符合基本的規範之後我們今天也做一絲路的確定現在介紹在場的委員陳雪生召委魯明哲委員林佩祥委員邱若驊委員林國成委員 |
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黃建豪委員、游浩委員、徐富奎委員、廖先祥委員介紹在場的官員交通部常務次長林國賢次長、中央氣象署陳佳平署長 |
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副署長呂國成．主任秘書簡國基本日議程為．邀請交通部首長率同中央氣象署署長列席報告業務概況．並備詢答．現在先請林次長報告 |
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1961.393 |
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主席、各位委員大家好今天代表交通部出席本委員會請本部中央氣象署就當前的重要工作提出報告進行各位委員指教本部中央氣象署在去年9月15日正式升格後由原主要負責政策執行的工作提升為兼具政策規劃與執行功能的機關 |
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在推動所掌管的氣象、海象、地震等業務呈現多元具體的成果近年來氣候變遷及極端氣候災害挑戰向我國未來面臨更劇烈的颱風、水旱災、寒潮熱浪及其衍生的複合性災害的威脅 |
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2001.626 |
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為了提升中央與地方防災救災的能力跟應變與治理氣象署積極來精進氣象的測報能力以強化我國因應氣候變遷的韌性氣象署113年的重點工作將著重在完備災防天氣偵測網精緻化的天氣預警 |
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提升颱風的預測精度﹐強化地震的預警﹐跟加速氣象AI人工智慧應用發展等重要工作方面此外更透過跨域領域的合作﹐協助進行氣候變遷的風險管理跟調適的作為希望透過各重要計畫的推動跟執行﹐包含尚在爭取中的新一代高速電腦的建置 |
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現在請氣象署陳署長報告 |
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主席還有各位委員好氣象署在這邊做業務報告今天家平很榮幸能夠代表交通部中央氣象署就主管的業務提出報告那敬請各位委員指教台灣所處的地理環境幾乎每年都會受到颱風、豪雨、寒潮、極端天氣還有地震的影響加上全球氣候變遷的趨勢顯著引發各種 |
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覆核型的災害威脅影響我國的國際民生非常大氣象署主管我國的氣象業務範圍涵蓋了氣象、地震、海象還有太空天氣相關的領域近年來積極研發先進的氣象科技提升氣象測報的效能此外為了因應氣候變遷有效支持國家進行災防預警還有決策應變同時提供社會大眾 |
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與各領域最適切的氣象服務．氣象署緊密扣合整體政府施政的方向．還有氣象署業務的白皮書所擬定的深化核心技術．優化有感服務．活化夥伴關係．強化營運韌性四大政策主軸． |
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具體落實氣象署的任務和使命過去氣象署的各項施政承蒙各位委員鼎力支持使氣象署在多項政策的推動和執行上面均能夠適時完成今天藉這個機會向各位委員表達由衷的謝意並請各位委員持續的支持接下來向各位委員報告氣象署近期推動的八項重要工作以及三項正申辦中的相關的工作 |
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那其中第一項廣設入海空防災天氣監測網那我們知道觀測資料非常的重要因為知道現在的狀況我們沒有辦法做預測所以觀測資料有關監測網的設置是非常非常重要的工作 |
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那今年113年預計在路上監測網部分會完成增加70座的自動氣象站還有20座的沿海沿岸的氣象觀測站在海上的監測網部分會增加10艘船舶的自動氣象觀測以及海上浮標的雨量監測 |
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另外會加強有關異常波浪預警的系統4套以及相關離岸流的預警在大氣垂直方面的監測網會增加一套無人機及發展微型探空系統並且持續 |
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進行自動探測自動觀測作業那無人機探空還有還有光達的高空剖面觀測那在114年預計在路上會增加100座的自動氣象站還有沿岸的氣象站5座海上的部分會增加30艘船舶的觀測系統 |
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那以及光學的影像監測站以及全國異常波浪系統3套在邊界層的觀測網會完成兩套微型作業的微型探控系統及一套無人機的觀測系統另外會增加這個關達剖面觀測5套 |
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那第二在災害性天氣預警邁向精緻化的部分那氣象署積極發展更精緻的預報提升劇烈天氣的預警技術那依據災害性的災害的等級那跟地方中央和地方政府做討論那氣象署以黃、橙、紅、三色來做相關的燈號分布那將災害性天氣的預警由縣市的尺度逐漸朝向更精緻化的鄉鎮的方向來發展 |
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那在特別是在111年起那分別針對低溫還有高溫的部分已經提供了這個鄉鎮相關市區的預報那以及包含我們山地原住民的這個燈號提供各界來做參考那未來的工作重點會強化我們相關有關颱風的強風特報以及大雨特報的鄉鎮市區的燈號預警 |
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經濟氣象雷達及時預警提升溪流水域安全在111年的時候氣象署透由與雙北市政府合作與臺北市雙溪、新北市大報溪與虎豹潭三處示範溪流暴漲預警 |
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那112年在與這個行政院災防辦以及我們的地方政府增加一共10個縣市19個溪流區域來擴大相關的事辦那這件事情的複雜度在於降雨的地方和實際發生事件的地方不一樣不僅在時間上不一樣在空間上也不一樣所以有非常非常具有非常大的挑戰性所以透過這個事辦112年我們一共發布了117次的預警 |
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有超過6成比例有提前預警的效果那在未來的工作重點今年的部分我們已經邀集了這個災防辦中央還有地方政府單位來做說明並且在今年會這個正式的來提供相關的這個這個新流的預警的預報 |
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並且會透過細胞廣播來發送預警配合縣市水域的安全情務以多元管道來提供民眾希望能夠減少水域事故的發生第4提升颱風預測的精度以及早期預警的準確度近年氣象署持續擴展颱風預報的服務包含在登陸的時候 |
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強化颱風的告警．在停班提供決策之前．辦理地方政府的連線會議．並且仿照颱風預報提前．於熱帶性低氣壓的時候．啟動相關的預報作業．並且在111年起．適時提前在海上警報發布現式的風雨預報．以及在去年112年起．發布颱風不對稱的暴風半徑． |
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那在未來的工作重點今年的部分特別是在我們的颱風季預計要參考美國國家颶風中心強化侵襲機率的預報進一步來提供暴風圈最早抵達時間的估計那另外在這個今年的颱風季也同時要在警報期間來決策期間來提供 |
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臺風警報期間的沿海地區的風力預報那協助我們的地方政府來做相關的這個停班停課的決策第5協助氣象產業發展強化跨領域氣候服務那氣象署積極協助我國氣象產業的發展並推動公司協力跨領域的應用來提供氣候科學還有資料服務來支援各個領域面對氣候變遷的風險管理還有調適的需求 |
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那相關的作為包含了在111年我們推動了我們的民間成立臺灣氣候服務聯盟來建立氣象產業溝通的平臺凸顯氣象服務的價值來擴展我國氣象產業的鏈結 |
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並且持續推動氣象資源創新適用方案來提升業者推動跨領域的應用服務此外並且與我們的農業部還有水利署以及國科會做合作來推動有關農業以及我國在氣候變遷相關基礎資料的知識還有相關的風險的評估 |
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那在未來的部分很重要一件事情我們在調修氣象法來促進氣象產業發展和人才培育的相關條文來帶動我們整體氣象產業的發展此外我們並且持續精進我們的氣象科技開發無縫隙的這個產品促進和結合我們的公司協力提供跨領域的氣候資訊服務來支援國家氣候變遷調適還有減量作為 |
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6加速氣象人工智慧應用發展有鑒於今年國際上人工智慧機器學習技術應用於氣象測報還有模擬的領域快速發展那氣象署在去年9月特別邀集了我們的學者專家來舉辦AI天氣預報的討論會那並且在今年2月更廣邀我們的產官學員界擴大舉辦氣象人工智慧應用 |
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應用發展說明會那對外來展現本署積極推展AI人工智慧及機器學習技術應用於氣象產業發展的相關的願景那在未來的部分氣象署會持續在數值預報作業的模式流程裡面導入這個人工智慧相關的應用技術並且產製這高解析度的長期分析的預報資料來開發適用於臺灣 |
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天氣、氣候特徵的人工智慧高解析度區域天氣預報模式今年重點會在進行以氣象資料驅動為基礎的人工智慧模式的先期建構評估以及未來作業化架構的規劃 |
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7、擴充地震觀測設施強化地震預警效能氣象署在110年開始執行前瞻基礎建設都會區強震的精進計畫透過增建32座警下地震站以及升級96座強震站將我們地震速報的時效從10秒縮短到7秒並且讓盲區縮短至25公里左右 |
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目前已經完成臺北、新竹、桃園、臺南4個都會區的相關的預測另外在有關南部海域的地震海底監測的部分 |
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這個部分主要是在執行臺灣南部海域地震與海嘯海底監測系統建置計畫這是原來是從110年到113年的相關的計畫那這個計畫經歷了多次的流標還有新冠疫情之後這個供應鏈混亂 |
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的這個影響那成本大增所以我們已經報過第二次的這個修正計畫那修正計畫改為8年的計畫從110年到117年那相關鋪設的 |
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海嵐的長度是200公里並且設置三座海嵐監測站總經費調升大概在27億左右可以提供地震預警大概14秒海上預警30分鐘相關的第二次修正計畫目前正在呈報行政院核定中未來的重點在今年和明年的相關重點分別要精進高雄還有臺中都會區的強制預警系統 |
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另外在市場上尋求海嵐最新的規格準備第4次海嵐系統招標第8辦理智慧海象環境災防服務計畫 |
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主要的相關的工作內容包含了擴大我們對於臺灣臨近海域遙測監測的範圍達到3000平方公里並且增加臨近海域25%的觀測量能那海上能夠增加8倍的相關的觀測那第二項是發展海域 |
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海上的預報技術建置環島異常波浪的預警系統區域動力偶合降尺度海氣向預報系統以及提升我們在海域的綠能監測分析還有這個風能發電量密度相關的預測 |
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那此外也同時辦理這個氣象海氣象的時空雲應用和智慧海氣象的服務來新增相關防災的應用港口還有潮流日報以及沿近海的漁礦時空分布相關的資訊的產品那當然預期我們預期在未來能夠持續強化海氣象監測的效能來擴大海氣象的這個量能那可以掌握中小尺度的天氣系統提前12到24小時 |
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的觀測自災型豪雨並且提前10到20分鐘來提來發布海嘯的預警那此外在提升海象測報技術方面那我們期待能夠提升這個風能發電的效率以及節省綠能營運成本的燃油費用那在災害損失上面減少上面能夠提供更及時更多元的海象預警資訊增進海上的災防航運漁業綠能 |
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海洋產業相關的服務量能接下來向各位委員報告本署在申辦中的3項重要計畫那這3項計畫都是預計在114年開始執行那第一項也就是在我們的報告書裡面第9項內容第一項是申辦金馬雷達建置還有及時災防預警推進計畫這是從111年到119年的6年計畫 |
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這個計畫主要是希望能夠在金門和馬祖來各建制西坡段和毫米坡段的雷達兩座一個是針對降雨,另外一個是針對農務相關的監測量能並且能夠讓我國在西部海域的部分能夠有更完整的監測資料 |
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這個計畫目前已經在這個經過國發會在113年2月5號的時候召開審議會本署正依照這個意見修正計畫完成並且在3月7號已經再次含請國發會來進行審查 |
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那我們期待的預期效益是希望能夠達成金門和馬祖以及西部上游劇烈天氣更早期的預警並且提升對農務的災害預警能力那另外一部分是強化暴雨預報的技術提升短延時強降雨的這個相關的預報那強降雨機率的風險瞬時的強風雷暴冰暴還有龍捲風等極端天氣的相關的預警 |
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第二項申報的計畫是申辦氣象風險數位治理與跨領域氣象創新計畫這是由114年到118年這是一個5年的計畫那這個計畫期待能夠透過數位治理的概念能夠強化氣象監測和預報的作業能力並且因應這個日益劇烈的天氣衝擊展開以 |
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以數位技術為核心建立高品質、高流通、高價值的國家級氣象資料庫來達成數位治理和產業鏈結的目標那這個計畫有幾項重點第一個部分是導入全山科技接軌國際科研第二個部分是精進氣象、精進科技創新實現安心社會第三個部分是活化資料治理 |
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創造永續價值．4打造樂活家園 |
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共創產業發展．共有4大目標、25個工作項目．期待未來能夠達成人民安心應用創新的兩大願景．這個計畫在去年10月18日已經呈報給行政院進行審議．目前正依照國會的意見進行修訂．預計在今年的4月會再次呈報給行政院． |
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那第三個部分是申辦氣象數值天氣預報高速運算電腦建設計畫這個是一個延續型的計畫希望能夠建立我們我國有關數位基礎建設裡面高速電腦的相關的部分那這個計畫裡面有四大目標第一個部分是完成高速電腦網路儲存還有增建機房相關的基礎設施 |
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第二是有效提供氣象模式運作所需要的作業資源第三項開創以人工智慧機器學習以及圖形運算單元為基礎的新世代氣象預測作業技術發展第四項促進我國高速電腦產業發展以及人才相關的培育 |
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這個計畫是在113年去年11月8日呈報行政院目前正依照國科會的審查意見希望要再加強有關人工智慧預測模式的發展狀況並且對於這個系統裡面有關徒刑處理器的部分進行滾動的修正這個計畫也是預計在113年今年4月裡面再呈報給行政院來做相關的審核 |
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這個計畫不但在提供我們國家的這個氣象的基礎建設並且能夠來支援我們相關預報作業的模式的進行那在這裡面也特別在提供相關的開創型的開發有關人工智慧機器學習的這個氣象預測模式好 結語 |
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台灣常有氣象與地震災害並且以氣候變遷的趨勢非常顯著因此氣象與地震資訊的掌握對我國災防作業及民眾日常生活的應用方面皆極為重要且在氣候變遷的衝擊確保災害預警更加準確與及時氣象署持續努力推動多項重要的業務發展計畫 |
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以貼合各界的使用需求主動提供民眾更有感、更經濟、更細緻的氣象服務並與各界攜手共創給生活好氣象的願景那誠摯期盼各位委員能夠持續給予氣象署鞭策和支持 |
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為我國建立更安全、更具抗戰性的氣象及地震撤報作業能力降低氣象及地震災害對國家整體精心的影響和衝擊使生活更美好、讓生命更安全以上報告現在要進行懸打來,署長先請回座 |
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現在要進行詢答先宣告以下事項發言時間出席委員6加2分鐘列席委員4加1分鐘委員發言登記於10點30分截止各委員如有提案請於10點前提出以便議事人員會診暫定10點30分休息10分鐘 |
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中午原則上不休息現在請登記第一位徐滬葵委員發言謝謝主席 有請陳署長請陳署長 |
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委員好 署長早安 署長那我想您上任的時候有提到氣象署的這個角色未來會進一步強化在支援國家因應氣候變遷的扮演的角色是不是有這樣的一個期許 是 |
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那我先就教一個問題那我想我們以往各縣市首長最痛苦的一件事情叫做颱風假的一個放假標準這個每次都陷入天人交戰那原因是因為我們氣象署提供的資料往往都是有一個這個邊緣的一個狀況那針對這個情形,署長怎麼看待這件事情? |
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好 有關這個氣象預報特別是風和雨的預報跟颱風架這邊的關聯在過去其實做過蠻多次的討論那當然我們知道氣象預報的確沒有辦法百分之百準確不過隨著我們的技術的進步我們的預報的準確度其實不斷在提升那當然對於縣市政府而言在面對這個休假停班停課的決策的時候的確非常困難 |
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﹏﹏ |
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連線作業在在停班停課決策之前就會提供相關的諮詢給縣市政府的首長們來提供相關的諮詢那並且在今年其實特別增加一項相關的資料就是有關我們在海在在近海區域的相關的這個風力的預報那因為台灣的地形其實非常的複雜在近海區域的這個風 |
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所形成的風力狀況和在我們的都會區其實不太一樣的所以在這個部分我們進一步的來提供比較精確的這個不管是時間或者是空間上面的這個預報資訊並且透過跟縣市政府的互動來協助他們來進行相關的決策 |
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我想這個放假問題不是只有縣市首長這個陷入天然交戰最重要是家長的問題很多家長臨時接到放假通知他們必須放下工作來接送小孩這是非常非常引起很大民怨的一件事情那所以本期希望氣象署針對這個部分是不是可以做一個比較 |
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謝謝委員關心 這個我們一定持續的來改善 |
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那我想就是本席也來自我們的國境之南的屏東那以往我們都說我們的農民看天吃飯那現在本席覺得不是看天吃飯是因為面對極端氣候是要看氣象吃飯那所以我想氣象署從 |
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這幾年的前瞬預算一共分到31億多從這個金額來看也不算少請教署長針對這一筆31億的前瞬預算我們怎麼樣來因應臺灣極端氣候的一個變遷 |
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跟委員報告目前在前瞻計畫你們的前瞻預算其實一部分是有關地震的部分另外一部分是有關我們高速電腦的部分那有關這個特別是對我們的農民的部分其實我們一直持續加強跟過去的農委會現在的農業部來進行相關合作那主要有兩個重要的工作方向第一個 |
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工作方案是增加我們對於農業氣象觀測站的設置這是第一個部分因為我們如果不知道現在的狀況根本不用去談預報了那這是第一個部分另外一個部分就是跟我們的農業部來進行合作對於我們全國的作區農業的作區他相關的這個氣象的資料進行更精確的更精確的預報那這個部分 |
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當然屏東是一個非常非常重要的點那還有其他的縣市也透過跟不僅是跟我們的中央政府也跟我們的地方政府來做互動來提供相關的資料並且也提供給農會來做參考我想你剛剛提到一個重點尤其是屏東縣是我們的農業大縣那因為我們之前在會館的過程裡面 |
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常常會有提到一個所謂的延遲性災害的問題那針對我們的農業部的一些官員他們也很困擾,非常困擾因為這個極端氣候造成的這個因素讓他們也很難去做直接的判斷那所以說我記得我們在111年有一個研究的文獻有提到說 |
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關於芒果的產區的部分應該要設立一個未來氣象資料庫的一個規劃那這邊不曉得署裡面有沒有做這樣的一個考量是 這個部分是我們和農業部做合作那芒果是一個非常重要的作物那其實我們目前針對每一種作物它的相關的這個 |
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的時間比如說開花結果相關在整個的生命週期裡面的各個階段所需要的氣象環境條件都做監測如果他有發現比較不符合他生命他生命環境的相關的條件我們就會提早預警那這個部分相關的預警資料因為是跟農委會合作所以這個部分農委會也有收到相關的資料來提供我們的地方做參考 |
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署長我想這樣子我們在座很多委員每次碰到農業勘災都非常的困擾也希望說針對這樣子的一個農業災損的一個判斷上面也能夠我們主動跟農業部能夠做一個 |
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跨部會的一個整合怎麼樣讓我們的農業災損能夠有一個比較完整的一個處理的一個SOP那當然作為我們氣象的一個主管機關來講怎麼樣協助農業部這點要拜託署長這邊要多用心因為尤其這個極端氣候確實會造成農業部的官員相當難的判斷那這部分署長這邊有沒有什麼樣的精進作為 |
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﹗ |
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在於不管是溫度、雨量或者是風力達到某一個數值的時候他其實就可以提出理賠的申請那這也是目前我國農業部在主推的相關的方向那我們會提供相關的資料給農業部來做參考 |
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好謝謝署長那我希望就我們這個一起加油這個能夠把這個農業的災損的部分能夠做比較一個完善的一個處理那另外我最後一個問題就是因為屏東縣有很多這個土石流的高顯示地區我想這個署長非常清楚 |
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往往會造成我們很多原鄉的一些鄉親有心理上的一個很大的恐懼那針對這些高潛勢的自災地區我們有沒有做什麼樣的一個因應對策 |
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目前有關自災的高潛勢地區那主要相關的是上游的部分是由我們的農業部的水保署在進行相關的工作那這個部分我們也跟水保署有非常非常密切的聯繫那主要是希望能夠提供相關的正確降雨的資料來給水保署來做有關這個土石災害的估計對啊雖然我們書裡面還是第一線希望能夠提供一些完整資料作為我們 |
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現在請黃建豪委員發言 |
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好謝謝昭偉那我們是請陳署長請陳署長署長以後有邀請的時候你再上來好不好不要那麼緊張也是第一次站在這裡是好謝謝昭偉謝謝署長我馬勾一郎來這個先看一張圖片我想要先請教一下署長署長這兩個氣球為什麼不一樣看得到嗎 |
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看得到然後請問一下這兩個氣球的作用有什麼不一樣下面的看得比較清楚上面比較不太知道下面比較看起來像是就是一般我們這個氣象用的探空氣球因為下面掛了一個探空椅是上面那個看不太清楚它上面是什麼樣的上面這當然是 |
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這個軍事用的氣球啦,這就是說我們想要了解就是說過去這些這段時間我們常常會看到新聞上提到說這個這個中國大陸中共的這些這個可能是疑似這個這個軍事用的偵查氣球會飄過來這個台灣的上空那有的人解釋說這其實氣象氣球那我想要先請教一下氣象署在這個相關的業務上面 |
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你們是由你們來判斷他是氣象氣球還是軍事氣球這業務上是你們判斷呢還是是國防部來判斷目前對於氣象氣球的偵測其實我們自己是沒有偵測能力的所以目前相關的資料都是國防部通知我們之後我們再來看他是不是氣象的氣球因為氣象氣球他其實不會飄太久也不會飄太遠 |
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那它的高度也有一定的高度它就會破裂因為就我們理解氣象氣球一般來講大概就是它是橡膠做的那最高飛行高度30公里左右那飄行一段距離之後它自己就會破掉了自己就下來了嘛那我想問說依照這個氣象的專業或是依照這個風向的專業這個中國大陸如果發射所謂的這個這個軍事的偵察氣球它有沒有可能有沒有機會 |
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如果純粹是氣象氣球好了,如果是氣象氣球,他有可能飄過台灣海峽來到台灣上空嗎? |
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的確是不能排除的那就看這個氣球如果它升到高空比如說剛剛委員其實也提到說會升到30公里的高空升到高空之後它如果沒有破裂它會持續的在漂流所以不過它在漂流的位置因為是非常非常高度非常非常高所以基本上不是在我們一般大氣這個環境的狀態之下 |
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通常一個氣球如果依照我們過去所知道的相關統計資料的話一個氣球可能二三十分鐘他就會破掉了所以他能夠飄他能夠飄動的飄送的這個距離也不會太遠好署長謝謝我想這個資訊我想就提供國人參考因為我們大家其實都很緊張有時候都覺得說到底飄過來的是氣象氣球還是軍事氣球因為也怕誤會了說這個是軍事或是氣象的問題那我想未來這個個案 |
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按照署長的意思這種個案的話其實還是依照每一次飄過來的樣態由你們來判斷沒辦法保證說它到底是軍事的或者是氣象用的是嗎是基本資料我想必須仍舊由我們的國防單位來提供我們才能夠判斷因為我們自己沒有偵測能力 |
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好,署長謝謝,那我想這個我們當然希望說氣象署是一個很專業的單位那提到專業包含說剛剛說一開始的問題之後後續要跟大家討論了這個氣象署當然升格之後但是啊升格之後本來期待的是這個因為你們是專業單位本來期待經費上來講或者預算上跟人事上能夠提供更多 |
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但是在這個氣象署升格之後過去中央氣象局的時候法定員還有957人那現在升格之後法定員剩下673人這個署長我想問一下對於這個升格你有什麼樣的想法這個升格結果法定員反而下降經費變得更少這個部分你有什麼樣的想法 |
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我想這是整個政府主改的大方向希望組織能夠精簡那在過去我們在相關的規定的確是900多人那因為這次在做主改的時候它其實是有一個規定它是依照現有的預算原額 |
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來加5%變成這個可能的這個相關的這個緣額、機關緣額所以他才會因為我們的實際的預算也只有600多人所以他加了5%之後現在的這個實際的允許的這個緣額的數量的確會大為降低我是為你報不平啊畢竟今天氣象署的專案報告那這個你看到下一頁同樣都是升格啊這個同樣也是在這個這個交通部狹下這個氣象署 |
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升個之後相對人力變少但是上這個交通部觀光署升個之後他的人力預算增加所以我想這個在預算上面跟人力上面我們還是希望說這個今天提出來之後我們的主管機關能夠給我們這個交通給我們的氣象署更多的人力因為我想這個氣象對於民生問題是非常非常重要 |
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對於這個不管農業也好或對於地方首長判斷要不要放假也好那這個當然人力下降之後之前我剛剛簡報裡面有提到接下來會用這個所謂的AI的模式來提供更精確的這個氣象報告那我想問的是說 |
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﹗ |
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對於整個氣象模型的規劃對於整個氣象預測來講有沒有比過去更加的提升你人是變少但是你要運用科技來解決這個我們也接受了但是用科技來解決這我想問一下這個署長這個氣象的預測包含說其實說颱風之外我想大家很關注的就平常日常的強降雨對地方政府來講他的影響可能更強更大我們這個所謂的最強電腦 |
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| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
在算的過程裡面有沒有辦法提前預測到這個強降雨的這個狀況 |
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是謝謝委員關心這個電腦的確對我們非常非常重要那這也是蘇前院長支持在這前瞻預算裡面能夠加入這個電腦那因為這個電腦正好是去年底完成那目前他的這個計算能量我們講說他在這個中央處理器的部分是10個PETA就是千兆的這個浮點預算另外還有他特別有配備了新式的這個繪圖處理器有兩個這個PETA的FLAP |
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目前在全世界的排名是第69名在我國政府裡面的確是目前最大的電腦這個電腦是混合式的所以我剛剛特別講有CPU加GPU大家現在比較知道的就是GPU的部分特別對於人工智慧相關的預算它會有非常好的效果 |
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那當然這裏面相關的預測模式我們在這電腦裏面運行的預測模式並不僅僅是颱風預測模式其實在裏面大概有十幾套的模式在裏面預測好,署長那這個模式這個這個模式的這個怎麼講程式是自己寫的呢還是去參考其他單位就是說這個東西誰算出來的是由我們自己氣象署的過去的模型推算還是說是由其他的這個技術方面來加強 |
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目前這個模式其實我們採取的是國際合作的方式那一部分是跟美國政府NOAA來做相關的合作那另外一個有關區域模式的部分是跟美國的這個大氣科學研究中心來做合作因為現在模式已經非常非常複雜以氣象署的團隊而言我們不太有能力來從頭做一個模式可是我們對模式的改善可以做很多區域性的改善所以你們這個錢應該要增加那組長我們聽過這個GraphCast這個東西 |
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最強電腦 |
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目前因為我們有這個電腦所以去年已經開始評估目前在這個在等於說在科學上有公佈的相關科學論文裡面有提到的是其中之一還有還有好幾個不同相關的這個人工智慧 |
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基於這個資料科學的模式目前我們都有在做評估GraphCast它的確它的這個效果還不錯不過我也必須要說明它目前只能夠處理我們稱之為縱觀尺度的天氣現象就是比較大範圍的譬如說冬天的封面像這樣子的系統它其實沒有辦法處理小尺度的現象譬如說像颱風的暴雨 |
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那這個部分也就是為什麼我們需要投入更多的資源來做相關的應用那我們也有兩個計畫在配合剛剛的報告裡面一個是有關氣象風險的治理的部分另外是我們下一代的高速電腦計畫希望能夠在這個部分來做加強發展好 首長謝謝 |
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好,謝謝黃建豪委員的發言那下一位有請李坤哲召委發言謝謝徐副國會委員現在請陳署長還有林國賢次長次長起來走走啦好,請次長跟署長次長擔任民航局長多年對委員長委員長 |
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我先請教一下陳署長有關於超級電腦當然這個預算是超過15億也是一個第6代的超級電腦那剛才也提到在2023年的11月底全球的前500大電腦裡面 |
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那他是排名第69那剛才提到我們相關的區域模式大概可以提升到一公里如果是全球模式的話現在已經可以從25公里提升到13公里剛才委員也有提到我們相關的預測的這樣的一個精準度以及相關的期限是不是可以延後請你再仔細說明一下好 |
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有關模式的部分的確我們需要改善的部分一個是有關空間解析度的部分這個部分剛剛委員其實已經提到我們全球模式在未來會從25公里來改善到13公里那我們的區域模式會從現在作業的3公里來改善到1公里那這個是有關空間解析度的部分 |
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另外在時間的長度的部分我們全球模式未來會做10天的預報以及我們的區域模式未來會做7天的預報此外還有一個颱風的模式在未來也會在颱風生成前的期間比如說在熱帶低氣壓的時候我們就可以提供相關預報模式的實效預報實效的確也都有延長 |
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現在除了超級電腦的運作之外可以大幅的提升氣象的準確度那AI技術的一個進入這對於氣象的相關的準確以及預測也其中更大的一個幫助那當然在AI技術導入部分我們必須要去處理AI的這種 |
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他的訓練技術的訓練那有相關的AR的模型的這樣的一個訓練我們相關氣象署在這邊進行了狀況來簡單說明一下好我特別跟委員報告一下的確委員問的是非常非常重要的重點我稍微用一個很簡單的概念來形容一下這件事情 |
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這件事情我們在傳統的數值天氣預報是基於物理科學的模式從1950年開始全世界就在努力那有關有關基於資料科學的模式就是現在所謂的人工智慧或者是機器學習的這些模式是基於資料科學的模式他大概在10年前開始有比較 |
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的相關論文在發表目前全世界的作業單位還沒有任何一個作業單位運用這個模式來做預報作業所以它跟傳統的模式的部分的確它顯現了相當的潛力可是真正進入預報作業還需要做發展 |
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那委員剛剛垂詢的這個部分的確也就是因為我們會需要訓練產生我們區域的資料利用區域的資料來做這個相關的訓練因為目前所發布的論文用的都是全球的資料那他的解析度大概也是都是在25公里左右所以他其實不太能夠處理我們區域的問題所以特別需要做區域的這個相關的訓練那也是要加強相關的AI的這種 |
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模型的這樣的一個訓練加強他的能力另外我們來討論一下國家級警報那當然國家級警報是在2012年因為我看2011年的福島大地震日本的這種國家級警報對於日本的地震的預警能力是有很大的對於台灣的啟示的作用所以在當初我們就要求來設置國家級警報那當然當初還沒有這種 |
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新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞 |
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海南與其是在東部的外海跟南部的外海那東部的外海我們都知道大概地震有7成以上都發生在東部的外海那當初我們分成4起 |
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這樣的一個海底電纜鋪設因為它能夠偵測相關的地震、海嘯等等那當初這個海嵐的計畫又稱為媽祖計畫三月要搞大家都開始要燒媽祖媽祖就是保庇大家嘛所以這個媽祖計畫當初四期嘛第一期做了之後就被漁船勾斷了從第二期開始我們就加強相關的措施那現在啊 |
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第三期也已經完成了就是從東部的外海然後延伸到而安比這邊從仿山的中華電信所上岸那我們這幾年一直在推動第四期第四期啊 |
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原本是要預期2021到現在都還沒有執行而且當初我們所規劃是800公里這對於馬尼拉海溝的這樣的一個地震跟海嘯的預測對於台灣西南部這個是非常重要的一個預警的系統他有6座的海底觀測的系統但是呢 |
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我們看到目前相關的進度當然碰到COVID-19疫情的影響以及相關的物價的一些飆漲數位通訊傳輸技術的演進都讓這些成本都增加那現在我知道說我們迫於現實已經將800公里修為縮減為200公里這個我非常不滿 |
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好 嗯 |
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委員指教的的確是一個不得而為的措施主要是因為我們相關的執行的經費因為我們國際的物價一直不斷的上漲其實在這個計畫過去執行其實已經有8次的流標都沒有辦法標出去所以我們在這整個計畫裡面經過兩次的修改報行政院來做相關的核定 |
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那的確對800公里變200公里和6個站變3個站這件事情是第4期計畫現在就是從800公里縮減為200公里還是說這只是一個暫時的階段可能還會有第5期、第6期 |
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目前是縮減為200公里 當然我們其實對於未來的確是有期待的 拖越久成本越貴 是 的確是這樣子 來次長說明一下 我們現在縮減為200公里 那6座的這種觀測站已經減少成為3座了 那 |
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我們這樣是否有足夠的應變能力就面對地震或是海嘯有足夠的應變能力嗎?第二我們 |
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可以提供我們民眾即時的這樣一個國家級警報嗎另外我們的原本計畫的這種預警功效會因為這樣的縮減而減損嗎 來署長先說明再請次長說明好減損的確有一點點不過因為我們現在地震的這個偵測和這個預警的能力也提升了所以目前的狀態是200公里的3個站 |
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目前對於地震預警的時效是我們經過計算大概是14秒對於海嘯預警的時效大概是30分鐘目前的狀態大概是這樣那跟過去800公里的狀態大概在這個地震的預警時效上面大概減少大概10秒之內那對於海嘯預警的部分的確減少稍微多一點就是大概會少了30分鐘 |
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十秒可以救多少國人在地震時候發生的重大災難這個來次長簡單說明一下時間也到了 |
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謝謝委員您提的確實第一個就是原來設定的計畫目標跟修正以後是否能夠達成這個我想協商署可以評估檢討一下那第二個就是未來如果有機會是不是找更多的預算來擴充這個計畫這個我們會來協助以上我們會持續的追蹤 |
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現在請林國成委員發言林次長跟陳署長來因為不要你來,只有坐在那邊也不好委員早 |
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市長還有署長因為有時候署長有些不好意思講的那當然因為市長是負責在部裡面督導之單位首先我會感覺到我還是要問一下因為最近我們在主改的時候確實在整個人事 |
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跟整個局、署方面在主改是做很大的一個改變可是這個主改改變當然就是因為該項目的一定會更好或者更多人或者更有經費可是我看過所有局、改、署的當中就唯一看來就只有氣象局轉氣象署啊人員少經費少 |
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市長來建立擔保局跟委員報告經費沒有少經費他依照原來的有成長但是人力的部分確實他從那個叫編制元額一個是編制元額當委員寫法定元額編制元額部分他是核實以預算元額來加5%我是覺得這一塊對氣象署來講當然各位委員指教了如果人力不足 |
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現在氣象署局裡面又變成氣象署看起來是很龐大的這種主改請問一下他現在氣象署屬於幾幾單位 |
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二級或三級?局裡面的也是一樣都三級單位不是 局啦當初氣象局的時候也是三級單位嘛那署也是三級單位嘛所以這個基本上我跟你講我舉例觀光署啊它之前增加100多人它的經費啊成長11 |
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十一億那就是很奇怪這是氣象署他是一個專業單位他有時候他的疫報可能就是全國的老百姓 |
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就會跟他生命是有關的養兵千日用在一時不要以為這個單位是沒有用你們就把這個單位講快一點民生暗匠表面上生俗事實上把經費把人員都減掉其實我要給常志做一個參考真的專業單位 |
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5192.941 |
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就要跟中央研究院一樣他年年經會增加年年的研究人員增加然後他使用的是高精密的儀器所以這點憑良心講我雖然不是氣象專業但是我們說實在就剛剛我們同仁所問的啊 |
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你一個預報就可以決定一個政務官或地方父母官決定今天是否上課或是否有什麼氣象的嚴重性這是非常重要所以師兄 剛才我看你坐在那裡久了因為我們11人就叫你去講兩句其實 這個你要幫他們講話不要幫他們講 這個要幫他們講話來 |
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基本上您提的非常對啦氣象署人力雖然不是非常多但是他的工作是涵蓋非常廣他是專業的啦專業的就一個人一個經會嘛對他專業人力也最強因為博士碩士的比例也相對高那您剛提的全國最強的電腦現在也是只有氣象署還比中研院甚至國家電腦中心都還要強那是最好所以這個是非常重要的事來來來那個陳署長來 |
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另外一個為什麼我們貴署有一些人才流動力之非常高到最後我們培養出來的氣象人才一不是留在外面的氣象公司就連留到外面的電視廣播公司請問一下來你有沒有找出這個原因 |
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5277.283 |
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這跟薪資有關吧? |
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5295.986 |
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他的專業跟他的薪資我講實在的 這都不是你們裡面的人這是我們身為一個民意代表既然要監督你們要馬跑當然要讓馬吃草專業單位本來就有專業的一些薪資所以 署長 我知道你很客氣但是今天林昌志也來讓他知道你們的委屈民意代表當然一定要幫你們講但是有一點 |
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該罵的我們也會罵這是民意代表的本質所以署長該講的還是要講來另外一個 |
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我比較納悶的氣象公司跟我們氣象署這個隸屬關係如何因為你們現在就有發生一個問題喔氣象公司所報的幾粒11度但是你們報的是12度這個誤差跟這個連結跟這個負荷的東西到底問題出在哪邊來輸定 |
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其實我們的氣象法在民國9292年修法你不要跟我講這些你把問題講出來就好你不要浪費我的時間啦拜託幫您講話你又要浪費我的時間目前我們是允許民間自己來做氣象預報所以因為看法是有差那我們是就全國做預報那民間基本上他對特定的區域做預報並且對特定區域提醒你這是已經產生 |
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我們老百姓對於氣象報告的準確度跟信賴度是有質疑的所以你們要去整合一下好不好好另外一個剛才我們李召集人所講的我們的AI你們的發展是什麼未來的趨勢一定是這樣這第一個 |
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第二個我們那個海底的新海南計畫剛才已經800又縮到200這簡單你也說明一下我比較有興趣的就是說你們氣象觀察站跟雷達這個部分你們簡單要報告一下現在的進度經費的來源讓我們了解一下 |
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特別在雷達的部分跟委員稍微說明一下目前我們有水利署在支持所以我們的防災降雨雷達目前還有宜蘭和雲林兩個雷達在今年的雷達站還有雷達裝設今年都會完成那剛剛在前面的報告裡面有提到未來的雷達的部分我們已經申請了金馬雷達的計畫 |
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然後在國發會那邊的審議也已經過了目前正在依照他們的意見在做修改那為什麼要在金門和馬祖增加這個雷達一個部分是有關它是我們的上游西部的上游因為從台灣看到金門和馬祖的時候雷達能夠看到的已經是在高空的狀態所以在低空沒有辦法掌握所以說一個部分是有關霧的部分 |
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拜託這個部分AI的發展還有新海嵐的計畫還有氣象觀察站跟雷達這個部分請你書面給我好不好請你書面進度好最後我再一個問題我們大家都知道因為我們這個衛星上空去年發射成功這也沒有什麼秘密 |
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發射上去也就是我們列封則號上去那這個當然跟電信啊跟觀測啊當然是有關那我們這個雷達發上去以後那到底我們現在到底是我們太空中心這裡跟我們氣象署這裡做什麼連結這個很重要 |
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是不是請簡單說明一下是我們跟國家太空中心其實有長期合作從過去的福山到現在在營運的福清已經去年發射的滅風者 |
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那台灣是全球兩個這種衛星的資料處理中心之一那在台灣的部分就在氣象局裡面所以這個部分是長期的跟國家太空中心去合作我們相關產生的太空天氣測報的相關產品也提供給我們的國家太空中心做相關的應用 |
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好,你們現在在運作的情況也書面給我好不好因為我很關心這個未來是這個氣象署這裡未來發展連結的主要的問題拜託也給我書面好不好好,以上謝謝林委員發言完畢 |
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先在此先作宣告本日由委員提出臨時提案以本會往例在登記質詢的本會委員發言告一段落後處理我們將與何欣淳委員詢答完畢後隨即處理臨時提案並與林沛翔委員發言完畢之後我們休息10分鐘 |
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好,現在請林俊憲委員發言謝謝主席本席邀請我們交通部林國賢次長請次長東央氣象署陳署長兩位很早次長好兩位喔大家都知道我們現在政府要推動農業保險 |
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希望能夠保障農民不要在保護農民不要在看天吃飯那農業保險牽扯到第一個氣象預報就非常重要了因為農業保險裡面它有一項就是氣象參數型的保險就你必須要參照政府公告的氣象資料例如你雨量高於多少農民跟保險公司在這個契約約定那麼保險公司就要做理賠 |
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所以現在政府在推動農業保險有一個很重要的事先工作就是農業氣象站而且不能有死角盡量不要有死角否則會發生實際上有農業損失但是由於約定的氣象站沒有數字或者是數字沒有達到標準而無法理賠所以這個農業氣象站的覆蓋率 |
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現在我看非常的低兩位看一下我們開始108年設置農業的氣象站當時是50個覆蓋率17.6%其中我搞不懂109年到110年連續3年這個數字一個都沒有增加你為什麼那3年都沒有去架設那個農業氣象站 |
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再來看到112年到去年為止全部的全國農作物專區的氣象戰覆蓋率只有25%像台南市我們台南市是全國最大的農業區就全國農作區面積最大就在台南台南的氣象戰覆蓋率才27%而已來我請教一下 |
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為什麼發生這樣子的事情?覆蓋率為什麼那麼低?這的確是在過去的覆蓋率的確非常低所以這件事情我們已經在去年跟農委會當時農委會現在農業部簽訂了一個三年的合作計畫希望能夠讓我們的農業特別是在農業氣象站的這個覆蓋率能夠增加 |
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因為我們整體臺灣的座區大概有將近300個座區那這個覆蓋率是怎麼計算的呢這是依照農委會來定在座區10公里的範圍之內如果有氣象站的話他是可以接受說這個是在是在他這個氣象站的觀測範圍監測範圍之內那如果是超過的話就沒有所以在這個部分因為經過相當的討論所以在這個部分在去年的就是要增加 |
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相關的策,策戰來來來個車長看一下,108年就開始推動了這五檔吶,這五檔吶,覆蓋率百分之二十五,四分之一而已啊那你這樣農業保險怎麼推?是,過去推動的速度的確比較慢所以這個部分因為跟公衛會合作,在未來我們會再增加一百五十萬你趕快提一個計畫來 |
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有目前有一個計畫跟農委會合作計畫那預計幾年3年之內3年之內我們會再增加150站所以至少會到75%再來基本上你還是要希望達到百分之百這樣你才可以達到所謂的依靠農業保險來保護我們農民是不是這樣 |
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你3年達到75%那後續呢?你還是要再持續推動啦?是,後續的部分我們用兩種方式一個是增加策略另外再來齁先我們常常討論一個問題就是說那民間除了我們中央氣象署或者我們授權的單位機構以外啊所以民間很多在自己做氣象預測甚至公開發布啊 |
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這樣的狀況 我不知道我們氣象署有沒有掌握這所謂的網路預言家 我給你看一個現在有一個網紅 這個人在網路上很有名氣他就預測3月19日 因為南高屏的板塊下陷花東地區山路塔方 雖然不會有大地震但是可能造成落石雜車 請提前防範 |
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你知不知道網絡上很多這樣的一個借將訊息的公佈啊是我們有注意到那後來有沒有發生這個這個案這網路預言家喔他還製成他可以事先預測地震他說他可以知道地震什麼時候會發生再來3月19日是在他們這樣的一個公佈啦他完全沒有附上他的資料來源 |
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那這些人或這些單位也沒有得到中央氣象署的授權我再舉一個例子這裡有一個他公報測試一下雖然說沒有颱風不發文但明天天氣轉涼這樣這樣到底有沒有算亂發布氣象預報有還是沒有網路上類似像這樣的程度深淺不一啦很多啦一大堆啦 |
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那尤其像颱風,現在颱風季齁到時候今年颱風季就會很熱鬧有些明年颱風的時候因為民眾會關心啊所以呢每一個網紅或網路上的甚至媒體啊它預報的都要越刺激越聳動越好所以只要有一個低氣壓出現馬上就爆了恐怕成為颱風 |
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每個颱風只要形成了都是什麼穿心台、西北台什麼很可怕 都把颱風形容得非常可怕中央氣象署要不要管這種狀況?這種管不管啊? |
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是目前依照氣象法裡面的定義就是對於預報作業的這一件事情他必須要根據科學觀測的基礎來做預報如果他是我們講說他自己的感覺這件事情其實在氣象法定義裡面這不是預報所以我們在法裡面氣象法是沒有辦法管制的那這個部分是看你要不要管不是不能管像那個他可以預測地震的 |
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如果他真的可以預測地震,我也希望真的啦,那我們就把他請過來就好了,是不是這樣? |
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有事我們就請他過來就好了,你就請他來中央氣象署,你就供養在那邊,會不會發生地震,每天問他就好了,是不是?這樣可不可以嗎? |
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有些人他會裝法律漏洞,他說未來3週可能會發生地震,大家要小心 |
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那我也會啊我現在就可以告訴你未來3年台灣會有地震大家要注意可不可以這樣是違法的同樣氣象署在最近5年都沒有裁判判鑑108年到現在網路上五花八門的的那種氣象預報但是在上一次曾經裁判是在107年 |
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一百零七年有一個預測地震被罰二十萬因為那個人講得太誇張了然後你也曾經開罰過啊你不是沒有法不是無法可管啦我們法律規範是怎樣你知不知道你講一下好不好 |
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目前的法律規範就像我剛剛講的他是必須基於客觀的觀測資料來做的預測他才是預測另外一件事情的確我們這個宣導要加強因為很多民眾對於什麼是傳播什麼是預報這件事情沒有辦法去清楚的區隔你要抓幾件如果真的有開罰這個才有一些嚇阻作用他們不是不能講 |
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但是你講得那麼誇張那麼聳動那你資料是哪裡來?你的根據是什麼? |
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我們法律規範是要有科學資料根據嘛其實它最明確的就是說除了中央氣象署以及你們授權提供資料的機關或個人員不可以做氣象宣告是不是意思大概這樣子嘛從92年開始是可以允許的可是它要標示它的資料出處必須要明確的寫明如果沒有明確的寫明它的資料出處的話那這個部分那網路一大堆啊大家也沒有標示 |
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那你要不要管一下而且我跟你講齁 這個都很多人在看齁我剛剛講那個說他可以預測地震那個網紅他有10萬個追蹤者有10萬個人每天聽到預報跡象所以我們不斷的呼籲請看官方的預報 |
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報告委員在災害天氣來的時候我們的氣象署的相關的管道的page view大概是300到400萬對啦就是真的有發生事情每一天好不好是這個不是無法可管啦你要管啦 |
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謝謝林委員發言完畢現在請魯明哲委員發言 |
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好,謝謝主席有請我們林次長跟陳署長陳署長 |
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委員早組長其實今天我看到好多委員都在幫你們叫屈我本來想說這個終於申訴了其實旁邊我們次長之前也想那個民航也要申訴你們兩個搶來搶去對不對次長你有跟我抱怨嗎我看現在沒申也好如果是這樣的話但是我是覺得 |
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委員幫大家叫屈的原因是說因為生屬了大家對你有很多的期待包括不光是委員所有的我相信我們的國民對我們氣象署從局面署一定有一些期待你們自己內部也生屬了你們要做的事情不管是更專業、更多樣怎麼樣跟上我們其實我們現在在我們的氣象署 |
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在全世界的水平那天跟你聊過算還是不錯的但怎麼樣再精進所以我們真的是希望社長在這裡部長今天不敢來是怕我們要預算這樣回去氣象署真的在明年人力跟經費我認為都要增加為什麼呢交通部這麼大 |
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世界經濟論壇 |
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全球10大風險全球10大風險全球10大風險 |
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有關的包括了極端氣候事件地球系統發生重大變化還有生物多樣性的喪失還有我們生態系統的崩潰其實我發覺跟我們很多來源自在氣象這個都很重要所以我覺得有時候人定勝天在氣象這個部分有時候大概勝的不多但是我們要怎麼樣去預測 |
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怎麼樣去預防這個部分我想中央氣象局申署之後應該帶給大家更多的一個期待。師長未來十年全球十大風險你覺得我們氣象署可以做哪些方面? |
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其實有兩大方向一大方向是有關氣候變遷的因應怎麼樣來協助我們的國家我們的政府和社會來面對氣候變遷掌握氣候變遷的相關的風險那其實氣候變遷其實也帶來機會所以這個部分如果能掌握的話它其實也可以創造效益這是有關氣候變遷的部分 |
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另外一件事情就是災害天氣那災害天氣的預報因為台灣的地形的確非常的複雜所以災害天氣的預報它的解析度、精度會需要持續的增加那這也是在氣象署在未來十年工作裡面非常非常重要的一件事情 |
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那我們在去年完成了我們的高速電腦的建設之後那我們可以把我們的這個預測模式能夠全球的部分進到13公里區域的部分進到1公里我們未來在10年之內的我們的計畫就是剛剛其實有報告我們新提出來計畫在未來會讓我們的模式進入到次公里級 |
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委員會主席 |
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這個機器進來了齁算力增加但是專業能力啊因為投進去的參數還是要靠人所以我們也希望在區域每個區域都不太一樣所以我們希望能夠在你的專業能力加上你算力整個提升讓我們中央氣象局深屬的能夠實際展現就如同你剛剛所說的區域範圍縮小精確度增加讓民眾能夠感受到那我們也特別看到齁 |
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這個以前真的在早年那個氣象就感覺每天要不要打傘衣服要多穿一件還是少穿一件但是現在的氣象遠遠超過當時的想像現在不管是企業的安全社會的安定甚至國家的安全我覺得都跟氣象有關那這個部分我也看到在台積電他自己的企業評估因為他是世界級的 |
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世界級的工廠公司各區塊他投資的時候他都有非常這個精確詳細的他相關的他災損評估跟氣候相關的這樣一個報告但這一切的來源都是我們氣象單位你提供專業精準的基礎數據這個很重要你們基礎的數據專業的數據提供很多的產業能夠運用所以在7月的 |
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一個安全企業的投資包括工程單位太多單位要你們專業精準的這個基礎所以你剛剛在說在未來有這樣的申訴之後有這樣的設備加能力你覺得對於我們更專業這些基礎的資料你有沒有信心能夠持續的提升 |
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是這些設備和技術的發展對我們非常非常重要也感謝過去除了交通部在對我們的支持之外國科會對我們也非常的支持所以在特別在氣候變遷這個議題上面我們是跟國科會的有一個叫TCCIP的計畫在合作提供臺灣有關氣候變遷從過去現在 |
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和未來的相關的狀態並且做氣候風險的相關的評估那這個部分也在我們的氣候邊界因應法裡面第三章特別有在規範相關的工作所以這個部分會持續進行那有關TCFD的部分是我國金管會在推動我們綠色金融裡面一個非常非常重要的部分那目前全球都非常非常注意這個有關TCFD的運用因為它是氣候風險的財務揭露所以任何的 |
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接下來剩下一分鐘我想請教一下次長 |
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那個3月3號我們這個桃園機場這個發生了因為難跑到稅休嘛造成很大的一個困擾那當天的這個王國哉部長說兩週內 |
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兩週內檢討懲處該賠償就賠償算一下兩週到現在目前你們怎麼處理有沒有懲處有沒有賠償報委員我們大概上禮拜都一直在討論那這過去兩天夏日好奇公司跟民安局還有我們部里也一直在就這件事情所以懲處名單出來沒有已經有建議那目前還要再做綜合考慮 |
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那賠償問題呢?賠償基本上是我們進行評估我們現在是淘氣公司直接跟航空公司要求說請他們就旅客所反映的部分先收集那收集的部分旅客的部分您知道一般還有旅客不便險跟航空公司因為從7月他們會先去處理那第二個呢航空公司跟機場之間的我們另外會跟機場今天本來要問王國才部長本人啦他本人那你代答反正也不太準齁 |
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那其實那天我們去針對這個問題我們去淘汰公司我們也上了塔台那我們知道專業人員他那天特別有跟我們報告說其實總量的管制比當天流量的管制塔台你要進來流量怎麼控制一台一台怎麼在安全的距離能夠起降 |
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但是你總量如果沒有管制的話他根本消耗不了所以總量的管制我是覺得你們絕對要提前好幾個月就公布這個飛航公告說要修繕什麼這樣的航空公司才能夠在第一階段還沒有收到客戶的時候能夠做減班那這個部分你們到底有沒有去做跟委員做個簡要說明 |
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整個的計畫跟一般輸運一樣航空或是任何計畫都一樣計畫性的作為應該要把各種可能的方案都提出來相關的方案對營運的影響對航空公司、對旅客、對營運的影響要評估出來 |
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平衡完以後呢協調相關單位配合可以執行再回饋到施工計劃來決定那這個部分我們認為需要檢討好了改善了這樣啦我的時間到了麻煩你提供個書面到底未來怎麼決定方案給我們交通委員會每位委員好不好好謝謝 |
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好,盧委員發言完畢．現在請何欣淳委員發言．何欣淳委員發言完畢之後．我們禁止臨時提案的處理．並於林佩祥委員發言完畢之後．休息10分鐘．現在請何委員發言好,謝謝主席．昆澤召委．我們請．氣象署先來陳署長 |
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陳署長,氣象其實是一個非常專業、非常科學的一件事當然科學裡面有它的不科學因為現在氣候變化實在太大了但是我們人民生活當中還是最依賴氣象 |
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報告預測我每天要來台北開會之前我一定會打開google先看一下今天台北的天氣我用這樣子來開始告訴說我們的氣象的預報或者任何天災的預報對人民的生活是最重要的是最重要的所以呢我們 |
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看到我們花了15億有一個超級電腦更新設備很高興剛剛你回答李昆哲委員在回答他把超級電腦我們更新了之後現在可以做到如何我聽了我也覺得非常肯定也覺得說這是一定要投資的那但是呢超級電腦更新投資了之後一切就會變得更精準變得更美好嗎?署長 |
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當然不是只有硬體軟體的部分也需要其實除了軟體的部分之外還有相關的人員部分以及我們的傳播力因為所有的資料跑出來的數據還是要透過人來做精準的判斷或是經驗值的累積來做判斷所以第一個我們投資設備第二個要投資人那所長你認為你現在署裡面的專業人才夠不夠 |
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或者是說臺灣在這一方面的培訓的專業人才夠不夠以政府組織來看因為我們的政府組織是小兒人的政府不過我們的民眾對我們政府的期待是很大的政府那為了要滿足民眾的期待其實我們目前其實透過不僅僅是這個交通部也有國客會相關的計畫的支持那我們在大量運用民間的資源 |
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那有關資訊的部分其實有跟民間常常合作另外還有我們的學院單位其實也扮演相當相當重要的角色在這個部分去做相關的這精進發展那除了我們民間的部分還有一個部分是國際合作因為氣象預測的這件事情它要能夠進步其實是透過整個國際的合作並不是只有區域的進步區域的進步只能解決區域的問題可是因為我們的天氣系統都是從外部進來的 |
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如果我們對外部天氣系統的掌握不足其實在內部進到這個台灣的區域之後他的預報的準確度也會降低所以這需要同時來進行那相關的部分的確人的素質非常非常重要不僅僅是在署裡面的人力也包含我們的心血就是我們的學研單位怎麼去培養我們相關的人力以及我們的氣象產業的部分 |
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我為什麼會問這個問題第一個他是關心人的生活最密切關心的是氣象還有各種天災的預測因為我有爬出到這個媒體曾經報導過之前我們有兩次的這個地震的一個預測是有一點失靈的那我看到那則新聞我就馬上想到第一個當時的氣象署是回應媒體說這是系統上的誤判 |
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那系統本身是硬體會誤判的是誰? |
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為什麼會這麼關心氣象署? |
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的這些事情因為呢氣象署是能夠更進一步的需要跨部會的合作因為呢全台灣甚至的區域合作的有關氣象天災大家都想到氣象署所以你們要扮演一個很重要很重要很關鍵的一個角色我接下來就講說你們要跨部會因為我知道交通部觀光署跟你們有一個MOU你們要跨部會 |
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這個在生活中的應用很好雖然這個平台我剛剛早上試了一下有點卡卡那個我覺得氣象署跟觀光署你們自己去檢討啦在交通部次長你可以督促一下第一個這個生活應用的這個觀光氣象的水選平台到底好不好用到底夠不夠生活化符合一般人的一個習慣跟需求 |
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第三個 這個使用率到底高不高 我常常看到很多政府部會弄了很多APP但是使用率不高 因為也沒宣傳也沒多少人知道 那我之所以點出這個是說氣象署重不重要 很重要 氣象關係的生活 我們要更應用更生活化 那前提是什麼 要精準 |
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也不能說我們台灣的氣象預報沒三準我剛剛講的是地震的一個預測失準就被人家拿出來說了嘛那我們也應該要檢討那氣象的預報當然也希望更精準、更生活化使用讓人民的使用更高更信任、更信賴 |
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甚至認為說我們氣象署的氣象預報真的是權威中的權威所以我覺得這個是我在提醒除了跟氣象署簽MOU還有跟其他哪些單位簽MOU |
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目前氣象署有跟25個中央和地方政府簽訂了MOU除了25個中央和地方相關的政府機關之外還有16個防災相關的學研單位以及民間的產業 |
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有簽MOU跟沒有簽MOU的差別在哪裡? |
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有簽MOU就是代表雙方有更高的意願我們可以坐下來真正去討論深度的應用讓氣象資訊能夠協助相關政府單位去做決策而不是一般型的氣象資訊 |
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那一般型的氣象資訊 |
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我只是在點出說如果ChainMOU可以更高強度的應用的話合作的話那我覺得我們應該積極的去擴展因為呢我們在各個縣市也好或是其他公部門也好都需要都需要我再點出一個因為我時間不夠我為什麼會再點這個因為呢軍民合用的機場 |
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軍方他有他自己的氣象連隊所以他負責這個軍民合用機場的天氣服務你們沒有跟他簽他也沒跟你們簽 |
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所以呢我是認為我知道在純民航的這個機場裡面民航局這個是我們次長的專業民航局有自己的一個獨特的單位特別的單位專業的單位在負責這個氣象但是民航局有跟氣象署來簽MOU所以是高強度的合作跟應用 |
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| transcript.whisperx[245].text |
市長您要不要回答? |
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因為這個跟民航跟機場有關係這次長的專業我昨天在看這資料我也覺得公路局也沒有所以其實不是簽MOU才有合作各位記得我們早期在公路劇烈簽後那個上下游的封路跟管理早就有合作計畫所以可能我們要考慮的是氣象署會行政協助各單位 |
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但是簽MOU似乎不是必要啦因為您提到的很多單位已經有合作計畫或是行政協助所以市長我覺得你應該是協助氣象所去盤點嘛其實氣象的各項的資料他要應用的在生活的每個層面幾乎跟各個部門都有關係所以要盤點一下我覺得如果像市長你講的是不是簽MOU不是那麼重要那又簽MOU又為什麼因為合作計畫有些是已經在執行 |
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我是覺得應該可以氣象署已經升格了然後氣象署又投資了這些硬體設備還有我們的提升所以我覺得能量應該是可以更強然後去跟其他部會做合作然後甚至各個機場不是一一簽嗎交通部跟 |
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謝謝 何委員發言完畢 現在處理臨時提案本日既有議案 請議事人員宣讀 |
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臨時提案一建請氣象署應持續與產官學研交流溝通檢討及盤點氣象法及相關法規修正必要以促進氣象業務健全發展強化氣象科技研發開創氣象服務完善氣象產業與人才培育環境並於一個月內將該報告送立法院交通委員會提案人委員蔡其昌等宣讀完畢 |
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好,現在請交通部做說明請署長 |
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就是相關氣象產業的相關的發展的部分那其實內容也相當多那稍微很簡單說明一下我們從兩個方向來進行第一個方向是怎麼樣來營造我們氣象產業相關發展的環境所以李主席那個首長我只是問你時間你不用把鐘錶製造的歷史在這邊做說明那這個部分我們會在一個月之內以說明的報告來送交這個我們的交委會 |
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好那各位委員有沒有意見好沒有意見那照修正通過好現在處理提案處理完畢如有委員對上述提案補簽列入記錄並刊登公報那林國賢次長也在這邊他也擔任過民航局長 |
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臨時提案處理完畢,我們現在繼續請陳素悅委員發言 |
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謝謝主席請主席邀請氣象署陳署長請陳署長署長早安我們知道現在全球的這個氣候變遷所產生的極端氣候的現象這個頻率越來越高所以各領域對於整個氣象的這個資訊的一個需求 |
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也越來越高因為畢竟這個集團氣候對於人類社會或者是這個經濟都產生非常大的一個影響跟衝擊所以各個領域也希望透過這個資訊的取得來有所預防這個做這個氣候風險的一個管理所以那本席有看到就是說我們氣象署有建置這個氣候的一個資訊平台就是氣象資料的開放平台我先請教一下我們這個平台是什麼時候建置的 |
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這個資料開放平台其實在105年已經開始建置然後陸陸續續的增加是那我們目前這個平台啊所提供的資訊已經是我們所有氣象署所有的一個資訊嗎這個完整性如何 |
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因為它是開放資料所以它並不是所有的資料因為有些資料其實非常需要比較深入的一些氣象技術所以對於那些比較需要深入的氣象需要深入的氣象技術的那些資料目前並沒有放在開放資料上面不過開放資料上面目前已經提供了7大類總共有529項的相關的資料那在每個月 |
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所提供的這個資料的存取量其實是超過1億次所以在提供我們相關的民間還有產業界的應用存取事實上非常大量可是對於尚未開放的這些資料我們採取的是合作的方式來做進行那這個部分以後有可能開放嗎? |
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會 那我們其實在去年應該說前年推出了我們叫稱之為氣象資料氣象資源創新試用方案它其實是一個這個Sandbox的概念希望能夠進一步的來協助我們的民間產業界來用這些資料那因為這些資料比較複雜 |
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所以他怎麼樣去使用會需要跟民間的產業去做相關的互動我們也期待透過這個氣象資源創新試用方案未來能夠identify能夠更明確的知道說到底哪些資料我們會適合開放給民間來做應用 |
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目前資料開放平台使用的人有沒有去做過統計目前的功效如何成效如何我們有去做過評估嗎 |
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有目前我們提供相關的這個相關的使用對象其實我們是採用會員制我們目前的客戶大概有8萬多的8萬多人那其實當8萬多人他不是都是很活躍的活躍的這個客戶大概是1000多每天每一天所下載的資料量剛剛有稍微報告大概是大概是1億次左右每個月每個月平均下載量大概是1億次左右 |
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是我想這個氣象資料當然就是也有很專業性的一個部分可是對一些民眾來說他們也是希望取得跟他們生活上息息相關的一些資料然後所以這個資料的一個完整性跟準確性就非常的重要那剛剛聽署長的報告這個完整性應該是已經應該有九成 |
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左右的這樣子的一個完整性那在準確性的方面我想就是這個也是我們氣象署一直在努力的一個部分那我們也看到今天的業務報告裡面你們有提到就是說在這個高速電腦第6代的高速電腦啟用之後未來你們也是會再啟動這個 |
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第7代的這個高速電腦的一個計畫我想這個就是希望在整個未來氣象的一個預測上能夠更精準那其實本期自己的一個體驗就是在目前這兩年我發現我觀察到我們氣象在對於豪大於的預測的準確度我覺得是蠻 |
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準確度蠻高的包括在什麼時間什麼地區大概是降雨量大概會多少我想這個對整個災害的預防是蠻重要的當然我們也是希望就是說在未來第7代高速電腦建置之後這個氣象的預測能夠更準確我想再請教一下署長就是在未來第7代高速電腦跟第6代的差異差異會在哪裡 |
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主要的部分是算力的差異了當然還有一個很大的差別因為目前在氣象署內部的空間已經沒有辦法來承載更大的計算能量所以在未來我們的計畫目前正在報請行政院核定中 |
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那會自己建立一個機房因為這些機房比較特殊不是一般的這個民間的這個我們講說IDC他能夠處理的譬如說他的冷卻系統需要特別他的樓板高度需要特別 |
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它的這個承載力需要達到每平方公尺兩噸的這些所以它會需要一個特殊的機房目前大概只有我們國家的國家高速電腦中心有類似的機房設備所以這個部分我們會需要去自建機房那當然除了機房運作的環境之外有關計算能量的部分也會再進一步的提升 |
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我看到這個第7代的高速電腦我們是預計是9年的一個期程那經費也高達了73.54億所以這個計畫你們是預計應該是下個會期就會提出這個預算規劃嗎是目前正在申請中那期待我們期待在今年可以獲得這個行政院的核定 |
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是,好,我們也是希望就是說在這個氣象的一個預測上能夠更準確然後也能夠提供我們國人的一個使用各領域的一個使用,達到這個災害預防的一個成效以本席這個彰化縣是農業大縣所以我也是比較關心的有關這個農業災害的一個預防這個氣象的一個預測 |
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目前有關這個農業氣象站的一個設置我們在彰化縣有多少數量?詳細的數字我們平均的狀態大概一個縣裡面大概有30幾個自動站那在彰化縣裡面的農業氣象站的數量我可能要稍微查一下目前其實並不多彰化縣裡面應該是大概4個 |
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我的印象對詳細的數字我可能要再查一下是那今天的這個業務報告裡面你們有提到就是說未來的一個工作重點就是在114年要預計完成的觀測系統你們會再增加那在未來你們要持續增設的這100座的自動氣象站有沒有規劃在彰化縣就這個部分再來增加有 |
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那在今天的報告裡面前面的那個部分其實是一般的站那對農業氣象站特別我們這個報告裡面特別有講到在未來會再增加150站全台在彰化縣裡面會增加大概5站左右 |
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午戰． |
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這個農業部也有在就是112年簽訂了這個農業氣象資訊服務及應用合作協議那這樣子的一個協議簽訂之後目前這個資訊的話一樣是在我們的氣象署可以看得到還是在農業部 |
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這個資訊在氣象署的相關的網站以及在農業部相關的網站還有APP上面都可以看得到因為是雙方合作那我們用更多的管道把這個資訊傳播出去那除了基本的資料之外還有一個很重要的部分是透過農業部的農民學員跟地方的農會 |
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去做合作那也在說明說怎麼樣去運用這些資料來對地方相關的農事來提供更好的訊息 |
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對就是資訊的提供之外我覺得這個如何運用就是一個重點就是因為畢竟這個農民有的他也不知道要怎麼去運用這個資訊所以相關的資訊的一個就是公佈或者是就是讓農民能夠知道這個部分也是非常重要所以這部分也希望我們氣象署跟農業部這邊能夠再密切的配合 |
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是,我們繼續努力好,謝謝好,謝謝陳委員：發言完畢現在請林佩祥委員發言請林次長跟陳署長上台請次長跟署長 |
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市長、署長本期將認為說在現在的這個氣候變遷上面我們看到的豪大雨或即降雨其實遠比我們現在常看到的颱風來的有威脅的多那我就想請教署長您這邊有所謂的資料有甚至過去30年之間以10年為間隔30年之間的資料針對豪大雨發生的機率跟它的降雨量嗎? |
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| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
目前我們跟國科會有個合作計畫特別對於歷史發生的相關的資料都有相關的研究的確在目前就是一年豪大雨發生的次數或者天數我們講說比較大的大雨發生的天數大概是100天左右 |
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那這個部分會未來隨著我們面對的這個氣候變遷的情境狀態未來的狀態大概是這樣就是我們的降雨日數強降雨的日數會稍微增加可是小降雨的日數會稍微減少我想知道的是你們有沒有掌握到所謂的趨勢就是說過去十 |
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從1990年到2000年從2000年到2010年到2010年到2020年他們所謂一般來講雨量或許有增加或許有減少但是強降雨的趨勢因為本席會認為說我們自己每個人在生活當中總覺得這種強降雨的機率越來越高天氣越來越熱強降雨的機率越來越高但是我們蠻需要一個客觀的data跟我們講說這像這樣的事情是不是在發生那發生的時機在什麼時候 |
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我們手上其實有具體的統計資料從概念上來講就是就降雨量而言全年的降雨量它其實它的變化並不明顯就是說雨沒有比較特別多一點可是降雨日數會有差別相當明顯的差異就是強降雨的日數會變多 |
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若降雨的日數變少他的意思就是我們的降雨量會更集中所以就是符合我們一般現在認知的就是極端化的概念就是他的頻率和他的發聲他都會加強像現在這樣的現象就跟你們從12月到14月講的不管是所謂的氣味風險數位治理計畫還是所謂申辦所謂的數值天氣預報這個高速運算 |
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運算電腦這都是未來你們很重要的業務那因為我們只有從過去的data才會知道未來的走向那這方面來講本席希望說你有一個報告出來而且你可以跟本席跟所有人講說那您認為像這樣的事情就可以證明的所謂的這global warming所謂的全球暖化對於對於台灣是有事實上在的威脅嗎 |
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是的確是這樣那這兩個計畫其中有很大一部分也是在希望能夠加強我們對於這個 |
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天氣更趨劇烈的預報能力的增進當然除此之外其實也不僅僅是降雨在臺灣的增溫也是相當的明顯好 謝謝署長再來是我想請問一下在第4頁有講到雙雙2022年開始你們跟雙北有在做所謂有在做所謂的事辦溪水暴漲預警這跟剛剛我們講的豪大雨是絕對有關係的 |
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然後在2023年開始你們於十縣市從19個所謂西流區來擴大事辦那我想請問一下就是說第一點就是擴辦的成果怎麼樣當然你們上面寫的比較籠統一點我想知道直接的反映時間還有你們所謂的擴大事辦的area就所謂的面積的這個所謂的 |
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西流區的面積還有就是還有還有就是所謂的你們跟之間能這個辦好之後跟地方政府之間的溝通是如何 |
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委員問的非常非常重要的問題因為這一個有關溪流的降雨預報是由氣象署來發布特別是在山區因為它本身就是個挑戰因為它下雨的區域和發生氾濫的區域時間上有時間差 |
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8483.842 |
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請問署長10縣市裡面有包括基隆嗎? |
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基隆沒有在裡面請問署長您知道大武倫跟深奧坑溪是常態性的每年都會發生淹水嗎?基隆的地勢基本上來講基隆的地勢是只有山跟海而已所以說相對比較起來大武倫地區從2017年開始每年都會遇到淹水的困擾因為每年都有強降雨的事情 |
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而且另外一方面基隆市在於東岸的深澳坑溪也是地勢效率高的地方但是每年也都會淹水請問你們有針對這兩個地方甚至廟口區域甚至基隆最低窪的地方都可能因為海水暴漲導致說廟口基隆市最精華的地方所造成淹水請問你們有掌握到這些資訊嗎? |
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我們開會的時候其實是有交基隆市政府一起來那就是在討論的過程裡面他們覺得是不是他們有有能夠準備好做一起再做事辦的相關的工作因為他他會他其實會這個壓迫到 |
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到地方政府的這個防救災的相關的能力我認為這一點來講中央政府市長在這邊我認為在這邊你們必須把基隆納入考量而且與其說是經費問題倒不說是人命問題基隆市在2017年2017年的時候因為大五輪的淹水已經已經走了兩三個人所以這一點來講而且我不希望像這樣的憾事在本席的選區上面發生我想這件事不只是氣象署需要需要納入考量之外交通部更需要把我我剛剛講的每一字每一句 |
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把他納入會議記錄並重新分辨列預算好我們再來找基隆市政府來加強這個部分好再來我也想請問一下市長都在這邊提到市長了那我想請問一下市長我問一個跟這個的題外話齁最近我們這個點數的問題啊這個交通部因為這個違罪不記點的問題他的費費揚揚那我想請教市長如果一部車因為違規被拖走了他記不記點 |
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8635.046 |
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您的第一直覺,如果因為違規而被拖走了,他記不記點?要看他違規的樣態,譬如說他是double parking |
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8666.205 |
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目前違規祭典有幾個樣拍這就是我想要跟您討論的就是說未來我們可能會再繼續討論所謂的違罪是不是有更好的配套措施有更充分的討論才能決定什麼是違罪什麼不是違罪同樣的違停如果你是半夜停在陽明山上沒有停車位的地方 |
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8684.499 |
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這個這樣的維庭是不是要祭典是一樣的事可是一樣的維庭你提在台北市政府前面還提在總統府前面要不要祭典這個事情我覺得像這樣的違罪整體來講你們所謂規範的違罪要經過充分的討論而且所謂的配套措施都沒有出來另外一件事就是請問誰能決定祭典 |
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8715.384 |
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誰能決定祭典的人不應該是單單純純只是檢舉的人而已應該是這樣子委員您提的很重要我想我也稍微跟您報告一下昨天因為有很多民眾團體反映事實上以行人的安全主義市長我覺得這件事情我直接把我的建議提出來請問第一線執法人員我們是否給他足夠的公權力這個可能不單單純純是交通部的問題 |
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但是交通部如果說你一個政策出來所有的配套措施應該要完整完整之後你才能做出更好的決策所以本席在這邊建議如果你給第一線執法人員更大的權限來去決定像這樣的違罪違規是否是值得祭典我覺得這樣會可能是對於社會大眾會是比較公平的存在 |
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8737.966 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
8755.863 |
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委員我再補充跟您報告一下行人的部分因為目前是重點所以不管是行人專用道或是行人不道的設置維艇或是林艇設施的處理還有專用那個叫專用號誌以及我們現在的這個林艇區如何管理 |
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或者是行川縣沒有出席這個大概都是目前的狀況這是交通部應該本來就要做好的配套措施而不是你現在跟我報告的重要的issue我們會跟我會希望說有個完整的書面報告跟我報告這個案子可以嗎我想這個部裡現在逐步跟跟各單位在討論那現在會提到交委會來做審查審查以後會充分的來謝謝 |
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8783.399 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
8800.185 |
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好謝謝林佩祥委員發言完畢陳委員有什麼重要的事嗎那出入華委員也在這邊好那 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].start |
8801.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].end |
8813.623 |
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其實交通委員會是很溫暖的一個委員會上週我在這邊10點半之前陳學生、趙偉就認為要很嚴謹的處理好啦請陳趙偉發言首先謝謝我們溫馨、溫暖的趙偉、溫哲委員請次長 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[309].end |
8862.256 |
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市長早安首先恭喜您隆昇次長也謝謝次長在民航局局長任內對我們馬祖地方的協助我也代表縣長、議長還有全體的鄉親對您表示感謝國選局長非常優秀所以部長提升你為次長也應該的另外請問一下次長公路局是不是你的業館? |
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8864.144 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].end |
8875.706 |
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公路局啊?公路局不是但是我以前有當過路政司長因為剛才我聽林佩祥委員發言講到這個停車的問題我們在全國大概有800、900萬輛的車輛我們停車站有多少?應該遠少於200萬200萬裡面還包含了室內的停車場我所以講說這個空間啊 |
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8893.305 |
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8922.652 |
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克文格市長上任以後把所有停車格的都劃出來了除了停車格之外全部都是紅線紅線就是要開單的意思我們警察也非常的負責任我覺得警察在管治安現在連晚上10點到凌晨都還在開單都還在開單所以這個市長回去檢討一下好不好我想謝謝市長你先請回你上來主要表示對你感謝是不是請一下主席 |
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8923.738 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].end |
8928.322 |
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請一下氣象署署長請署長好,署長早安,我想你上任以後我第一次對你的質詢請問一下那個最近在馬祖啊你在北甘島、在舉光島成立兩座雷達站舉光的雷達站勒? |
| transcript.whisperx[313].start |
8950.526 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
8979.413 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].text |
我請問一下署長你們這兩座雷達站的興建他土地的取得都是國產署有沒有跟縣政府做過簡報或是跟縣長報告有縣長知道這個事嗎是知道其實在之前一年以前已經陸陸續續在做相關的報告那我們最近也在安排兩次的行程特別影響到整個都市計畫因為你要怎麼做 |
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8980.558 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
9007.764 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
你看你馬祖北竿在板裡斷你做了這個當然設計我看過了是蠻好的是以黑嘴端縫頭硬毆啊黑嘴端縫頭硬毆這個藍圖來做了他面積大概需要多少?你說土地面積嗎?對,他的基地面積多少? |
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| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
9010.324 |
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基地面積現在是20公尺乘上10公尺目前這個雷達站是一個無人的雷達站的設計 |
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9031.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
9048.051 |
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也是一樣都是無人雷達站也是無人的雷達站吼無人的雷達站目前我們在水利署支持的防災降雨欄5座防災降雨欄其實也都是無人雷達站所以相關的無人雷達站的運作有跟阿兵哥的接在一起嗎馬祖馬祖對 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
9081.347 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
有用到軍方的地就是秦山的營區和馬防部02觀測所的確是在軍方的空因為早上我已經提示你了我會問這個問題我提示你了所以你們的同仁應該要告訴署長告訴署長不要讓署長上台以後有些問題回答不出來那麼他的功能主要是什麼勒 |
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9082.859 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
9106.059 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
一個是西平段的雷達主要是針對降雨另外一個是毫米坡的雷達主要是針對霧那因為金馬地區其實霧的情形非常的嚴重我們也希望要加強金馬地區對於霧的觀測所以不僅是降雨也包含一個霧下雨跟霧對降雨和霧它一陣來一陣去你偵測出來對我們地區有什麼 |
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9108.223 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].end |
9112.623 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].text |
你會提供飛航的情報還有海上的 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].start |
9113.732 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].end |
9116.033 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].text |
可以告覺使用嗎?對不起 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].start |
9144.281 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].end |
9169.485 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].text |
不讓人家參觀嗎?可以參觀啊,我們並沒有不讓參觀,對那參觀如果有人去破壞怎麼辦呢?那參觀一定是我們有伴隨的參觀那因為目前是無人站的設計所以裡面到未來會有相關的保全系統以及會考慮有保全人員進去不可能,你要人家上去參觀的話,任意都可以進去啊 |
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| transcript.whisperx[322].end |
9195.142 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].text |
參觀的部分一定有我們的人伴隨不會開放任意的人進去參觀是,就是有我們的氣象站的人員馬祖氣象站的人員我們的馬祖有人的氣象站那雷達站的部分是無人所以如果有人要去參觀這個雷達站的部分一定是我們馬祖氣象站的同仁來支援 |
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9203.194 |
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主要是地點的尋找因為我們有好幾個地方在討論在什麼樣的地方比較適合設置那當然有牽涉到用地區的 |
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9230.946 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
9253.776 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
他是純粹民間用途氣象用途從氣象的觀點來看相關的資料當然他們可以用做氣象用可是裡面沒有任何的軍事用途這個很難講我也不相信還有齁很重要一個問題那個國險次長你可能還要上來一下最近 |
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9260.814 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].end |
9272.139 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
大陸啊在舉光那個地方周圍已經很近了齁做風機啊風機什麼就是離岸風電這圖沒有上來齁好圖沒有上來做了幾百根啊齁但是最靠近舉光的那一段齁我聽說是中國鋼鐵標啦齁很大很大喔將來 |
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9291.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].end |
9299.628 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].text |
我請問一下你是民航局局長出來的那你我們的飛機是從舉光那一方從那邊進場有沒有問題?有沒有影響? |
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| transcript.whisperx[327].end |
9322.855 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].text |
報告委員資料是還在掌握中目前是馬祖外海的風機地區他叫環境影響評估那其他的部分未來主要應該是航線的部分會影響船的部分可能有些會被調整需要調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].start |
9323.456 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].end |
9346.871 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].text |
那高度的部分因為目前還沒有很明確飛機有沒有影響飛機如果有影響必須要調整宜航程序飛機影響會影響到我們南竿也影響到北竿的落地這個我們還在持續掌握中因為高度還不曉得我想這個有機會這個民航局有來備詢的時候我會詳細的問好不好我們有掌握這個訊息但是他還在發展中 |
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| transcript.whisperx[329].end |
9356.188 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].text |
那今天北竿跟菊光的雷達戰對我們的飛航有沒有影響?他的雷達?因為他可以用電波擾亂環喔?他的雷達?應該不會吧?市長你請回,我問那個署長 |
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9365.053 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].end |
9386.426 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].text |
你查證一下署長有沒有影響不會影響我們都做過背景的頻率測試那在背景頻率測試不僅是民航也包含軍方相關的頻率不會互相干擾你這個北竿的氣象雷達站跟舉光的氣象雷達站你回去以後行文給民航局 |
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9387.503 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].end |
9405.921 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].text |
好不好?新聞給民航局,讓民航局來評估一下有沒有問題,如果有問題的話你們要做適度的修正好不好?不要影響到我們飛機的安全好不好?謝謝主席陳委員發言完畢,謝謝邱若驊委員的體諒,我們現在休息10分鐘 |
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9412.324 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].end |
9412.624 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].text |
韓國瑜主席 |
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9442.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].end |
9457.995 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].text |
議員議員議員議員 |
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9462.534 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].end |
9486.084 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].text |
議員議員議員議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].start |
9486.825 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].end |
9502.018 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].text |
委員會委員會委員會委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].start |
9503.319 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].end |
9522.995 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].text |
議員議員議員議員 |
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響鐘 |
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議員議員議員議員 |
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委員會委員會委員會 |
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議員議員議員 |
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議員會議員會議員會議員會議 |
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議員議員議員議員 |
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議員會議員會議員會 |
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委員會主席 |
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議員議員議員 |
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議員會議員會議員會議員會議 |
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議員會議員會議員會議 |
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議員會議員會議員會議員會 |
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委員會委員會委員會委員會 |
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議員議員議員議員 |
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你關心? |
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議員會議員會議 |
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議員議員議員議員 |
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議員議員議員 |
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委員會委員會委員會 |
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好,我們繼續開會特別謝謝邱若驊委員現在請邱委員發言 |
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謝謝主席,有請署長 |
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蘇長在去年9月15號的時候中央氣象署進行揭牌儀式的時候蘇長也表示過臺灣氣象產業發展為其中一項重點工作那也期待透由法治營造氣象產業發展的有利環境 |
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氣象署已經著手進行氣象法的修訂也提到將在氣候變遷的議題上面還有與環境部還有國科會進行密切的合作也要共同提供我國氣候變遷的基礎科學資訊請問陳署長有關氣象法修法的進度為何還有具體的版本重點為何 |
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的確這氣象法修法知識體大那因為這次修的確修得比較大所以其實我們已經在前年開始啟動這件事情所以前年的部分我們有邀請這個相關的業界還有學者專家來做相關的這個初步的討論 |
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去年的時候特別召開了學者專家的這個諮詢會議所以去年已經對氣象法的母法部分母法部分還有我們現在氣象法裡面有八個執法的部分做了初步的修訂今年我們會refine這件事情就是把它做得更完整那因為氣象法裡面在這個修訂裡面特別增加了對促進氣象產業發展的章節所以這個部分呢還 |
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還有這個相關的儀器的相關的標準化所以這個部分會有新增的執法都會在今年來做那我們預計的時程大概是這樣子4月的部分會有一個出稿那6月的時候會大概有一個定稿8月的時候會有公聽會那希望透過這樣的程序能夠跟在我們的出稿出來之後能夠跟我們的民眾或者是我們的學者專家能夠有更多的互動 |
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那如何營造對氣象產業發展的有利環境? |
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這件事情我們的思考是這樣子因為這個已經成為氣象署了所以他需要從整個國家氣象發展的觀點來看這件事情那在這裡呢其實剛剛前面有別的委員有提到就是氣象署跟我們的氣象產業怎麼去做互動那這件事情我們目前的狀態是這樣子 |
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就是有關產業環境的部分包含了相關的修法另外一個部分還有加強我們跟產業的互動所以這個部分我們其實在110年的時候也推動成立了就是由我們的民間成立了這個台灣氣象服務聯盟透過台灣氣象服務聯盟來收整我們民間所有的意見那台灣氣象服務聯盟裡面的成員包含了30個團體27個個人 |
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那裏面他可以去收整所有我們民間意見的這個算是窗口好那這邊提到的是業務那這邊我想請教署長就有關氣候外交因為整個氣候變件帶來的衝擊相當的嚴峻包括地緣政治還有國家領土的完整性水資源還有 |
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能源、糧食等問題為了要解決這些問題那本席認為氣候外交是臺灣國際社會中參與重要的一塊那這邊要請問首長中央氣象署在氣候外交能發揮哪一些貢獻然後還有光靠中央氣象署進行氣候外交覺得是不夠的要如何跨部會的進行合作 |
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目前這件事情我們目前已經在做的事情一個部分是跟美國的國家海洋大氣從屬做相關的合作去強化我們有關這個整個的氣候的測報的能力這是一件事情另外一件事情我們在APEC的架構之下 |
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因為在APEC我們是有full member所以我們在APEC架構之下我們跟韓國因為韓國現在是在全球他是在APEC架構下有一個叫做APCC就是亞太的氣候中心那我們目前是亞太氣候中心裡面重要的非常重要的這個 |
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算是donate的member就是我們的氣候模式相關的產出是有提供給亞太氣候中心其實去年我們也邀請亞太氣候中心來在台灣開了一個國際研討會大概有10個國家有200人參加在透過這個國際研討會去做相關互動那另外還有一個部分就是不同的國家的部分譬如說我們在國科會的架構之下跟這個菲律賓 |
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其實有一個叫做vote的這個計畫在這個計畫裡面我們也協助菲律賓提供他有關熱帶地區相關的這個災害風險的相關的資料那也是一個氣候型的相關的資料在提供給他們 |
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是,署長提到就是災害型的那在業務報告也提到生態素質天氣預報天氣測報的高速運算電腦建設計畫那前面很多委員都有提到那這對於提升極端天氣預報的精準度還有對於防災、雨業、農業、林業、水資源、健康、生活、氣象等都有應用服務價值那今天也提到氣象署會持續努力推動 |
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多項重要的業務發展計畫貼合各界的使用需求請教署長如何讓這些資料更方便被取得那結合民間的創新能量那廣泛的使用在各產業的領域 |
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是跟委員報告就是有關高速電腦事實上是我們在預報作業的核心所以那個部分要持續加強那有了這個相關的硬體之後我們的軟體的部分會持續的去精進那有關傳播的部分也是非常重要因為相關的預報作業的資料產出之後我們必須要透過很多的管道可以傳遞給民間那目前所有的有除了我們的官網之外還有包含我們的APP |
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還有我們的Facebook那並且我們跟這個地方政府去做相關的聯繫那重要的部分就是怎麼樣讓這些資訊能夠被各個不同的領域去做有效應用所以除了跟地方政府聯繫之外我們也跟很多的政府機關去做相關的合作並且也跟我們的產業去做合作OK好謝謝署長這邊有請次長請次長 |
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市長好,上週三交通委員會考察桃園國際機場那部長也表示在3月20號的時候會提交3月3號桃機跑道稅休導致嚴重塞機的檢討報告那王部長也表示相關的單位都很專業可是確實有大意的情況請問市長3月20號能如期交出檢討報告嗎應該可以我們這幾天都已經密集檢討應該可以好 |
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那再請教次長那上週五你們依照當天的考察決議送有關就是跑道施工協調會的處理嗎那初步就如部長講的大家都很專業但是有大意的情況那要如何讓各單位都上緊螺絲呢 |
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這個案子其實很單純工程單位在思考一個跑道的修復分好幾種情況那他必須要判斷說這個工程施作會不會影響到營運因為這是一個營運中的機場他不是一個全新的機場 |
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那所以提出各種工程方案的時候呢相關的業務部門必須要就對航班的影響以及航管相關配套措施能做到多少先預作規劃這個就是計劃性的作為那當計劃性作為失作以後中間碰到不如計劃運作而不能順利運轉的時候就會有應變所以事實上我們也有應變措施在比如說我們後續的航管跟這個邊邊的這個流量管制 |
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區委員發言完畢現在請許智傑委員發言 |
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謝謝主席,我們請氣象署署長請陳署長 |
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首先對氣象署先表示肯定跟感謝就是之前我曾經質詢就是總統府開放氣象署時間開放時間參觀氣象署是不是可以一併配合也讓所有的博愛特區如果有人去 |
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附近參觀的話尤其是我們中南部上來的沒有辦法說分很多次可以一次多參觀幾個單位那當時我也要求氣象署能夠開放就是配合總統府開放的時間那現在也有執行所以謝謝氣象署就是能夠在推廣這個教育的時候能夠配合總統府能夠給中南部多一個機會所以這個首先表示感謝 |
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我請教署長您知道世界氣象日是哪一天嗎?3月21號就是春風的時候3月21號好像日期有記錯3月23號 |
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你看你自己這麼重要的節日人家環保環境部有世界環保日環境日那海洋世界海洋日那我們氣象也有世界氣象日所以署長連日期都記錯表示我們好像不太重視這樣子一個日子 |
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那你看各部會都是趁這個自己特殊的節日去宣傳自己所做的事情我想現在的時代光是做事恐怕也不夠要讓民眾能夠認同我們到底做了哪些事所以對於本署、本部所做的事情能夠加強推廣其實是相當重要的一個工作 |
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我再提出一個是我們中南部我們中南部事實上你看我們南部氣象中心有所謂的氣象、地震、天文、海象這些展示區那我們高雄好像沒有這樣子一個地方可以讓民眾可以參考跟學習 |
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高雄的部分上次委員特別有提到我們回去稍微統計了一下在過去5年我們在高雄地區的有幾個相關的活動第一個部分是在科公館我們跟科公館合作那裡面有長射的氣象地震的展示的相關的場所 |
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另外有幾個特別的活動跟這個高雄的大學來做相關活動還有一個比較特別的是我們有在做道校服務在高雄縣市在過去5年我們大概有辦了24場特別是針對偏鄉地區偏鄉地區的教育資源比較稍微缺乏 |
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針對偏鄉地區做24場的相關的教育活動那裡面包含這個師生的部分大概有1000多人都有參與這個相關的活動這個是簡單跟委員報告所以首先就是跟署長講我們再看這一顆地球其實這一顆地球我看了真的是蠻喜歡的你去看了一次你就發現所有的地殼怎麼變動所有的氣流怎麼流動 |
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那我就講過以前高中在讀地球科學就是少了這顆地球要不然搞不好要去讀地球科學系那我們希望說能夠多讓民眾接觸跟教學這個科普教育很重要所以你可以看到氣象署跟海科館有攜手合作一個海洋及海象科普教育這個是我們氣象署有進駐到海科館做一些展示嘛對不對 |
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是的其實也不只是進駐展示還包含了相關的活動也講活動那科工館現在已經很久了對不對可不可以有機會再加強我們最近才跟海科館正式簽一個MOU我就是看到海科館所以我就想到科工館啊 |
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科工館我們可以再跟科工館去做討論那之前有跟他們做一些討論就除了地震的相關的設施之外那在氣象的部分也可以去做一些加強我們科工館每年超過200萬人次參觀那在高雄真的是南北差距很大那距離又這麼遠所以我一直希望說高雄可以多一些中央部會的資源可以進駐所以 |
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海科館其實基隆離台北比較近對不對那麼高雄離台北這麼遠那氣象局又升格為氣象署不管是資源還是人員都增加了是不是高雄的科工館可以再多給我們 |
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一些不一樣的資源或者是再設一個或者是原來的再升級有沒有這個可能是我們來跟客戶公園討論來努力那另外因為我們高雄氣象站其實從漁港搬到這個公園裡面也在討論在未來在這個在都會公園裡面的相關的設施是不是能夠也做一些氣象的展示 |
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好那是不是在哪裡我們可以研究但是我要求就是在高雄在加強進駐或者是設置至少有這個方向可以讓我們看得到成果這樣可以嗎?是我們來加強給我時間 |
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我想回去我們可能兩三個禮拜就兩個禮拜好了回去把這個後面的計畫討論出來然後跟委員做報告好因為我們高雄人真的是其實我們號稱看到星星月亮太陽都可以判斷方向對不對也要讓我們高雄人多這個機會 |
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那另外呢其實最後一點就是那個我剛提到的這個世界氣象日署長以後要更重視啦你知道那個我們有辦相關的活動嗎氣象署 |
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目前是在我們南區氣象中心針對世界氣象日有辦一個這個就是氣候行動最前線其實是一個科普教育的活動所以就是要多推動嘛因為像我們民意代表現在做事情如果沒有宣傳人家都不知道你做什麼事所以該多宣傳還是要宣傳所以呢我想活動還是要加強那這個活動其實可能我們問了你們國會聯絡人才告訴你說臺南有辦這個活動要不然恐怕連署長都不知道 |
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所以相關的活動我想科普教育非常的重要也希望說署長能夠多推動這樣子OK嗎是我們來加強那最後再看我們高雄可以看天文的只有一個點對不對在哪裡署長知道嗎很簡單的一個那個望遠鏡瞭望台那個真的是很頻繁在我們蘭子公園那裡 |
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那個真的是你看台北的天文館一進去那種氣那種感覺就不一樣那我們高雄就在那邊看真的是差很多差很多所以就如何在高雄推動我們的氣象的相關的或是天文的相關的科普教育我希望除了剛才提到的這個 |
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地點資源的設置跟投入之外那類似這樣子一個活動跟概念是不是請那個署長說2個禮拜這個也一刀思考進去是可以我們來進行可以喔好謝謝了我最重要的就是說我需要看到具體的成果具體的規劃而不是只是一直在研究這樣好不好 |
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徐委員發言完畢也謝謝徐委員關心三民區科工館的相關議題那跟徐委員做個簡單報告那教育部已經把科工館整體軟硬體的改善已經列為今年三大新興計畫之一 |
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教育部已經通過現在要送到國會那我們希望能夠盡快的通過讓整個科工館能夠全面的提升他相關的軟硬體以及立美化的設施謝謝徐委員的關心本選區的議題好那現在請游浩委員發言 |
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請次長還有署長 |
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那面對集團氣候準備好了嗎?下一頁 |
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因為其實像今天的話大家許多委員區都關心著氣候變遷的問題那這個問題其實我相信不僅是在我們氣象署大家是非常熟悉也非常重視包括次長那您也是成大我的母校橫泰系的教授那您也在民航局當局長那所以您對於氣候變遷也一定是非常的重視 |
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那在這一次上個禮拜的時候我們交通委員會我跟何新淳委員也跟著副院長來去參加APPU還這一次的會議那討論的議題還是在於有關於氣候變遷那在目前來講中央氣象署我記得在1991年到2002年他其實平均每年有25.3的這個颱風那會清台的大概會有3.2但是呢 |
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就如剛才林培祥委員所講的單日降雨量在這5年來是不斷的增加所以說包括一些旱災或是農損其實在近年來的話是一發嚴重那同樣的在這10年平均氣溫也上升了1.6度推估在本世紀末夏季的長度將會增加到150天左右冬季有可能會縮短到20到40天內 |
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所以說在這個氣候變遷造成的影響是非常嚴重那接著叫做救教那在2023年10月5號那行政院核定了災害防救基本計畫有關於氣象的部分三大方針想請教次長那這個部分的話行政院核定了三大方針那您可不可以稍微做一下說明我是請署長好沒關係請署長 |
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這個我們是在這災害防救基本計畫策略2.1裡面特別對於未來氣象署怎麼樣去面對災害防救的相關的作為有三個部分第一個部分是加強我們監測系統觀測系統的量能希望能夠掌握現在的狀況 |
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第二個部分是強化我們相關的預報的作為那裡面包含我們的模式解析度的提升以及我們在作業上面怎麼樣去產出相關的災害相關的預警的訊息 |
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第三個部份是加強我們的互動的互相的溝通就是跟民間以及跟我們的相關的政府相關的單位怎麼去加強相關的資訊的溝通和傳播三個方向謝謝署長那您講的部分是針對氣象署的部分那在行政院的版本它主要三大方針在災害調適、數位轉型及強韌復原三大方針來講它有許多的項目那其中氣象署是其中之一 |
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那我想問一下在APP我們在提了也提了三個的一個草案那當然說這一次的出訪、出團其實也對我們的國會外交也有一個非常好的一個成果那江啟臣副院長帶隊這一次有很好的成果這是第一次的實體外交那我想就教一下就是說像目前來講國際災害的部分 |
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那因為我們其實在國際的外交是處於一個比較弱勢的情況之下那相關的通知的機制那目前氣象署跟其他國家有做一個直接的聯繫平台嗎? |
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有關國際聯繫的部分我們大概分成其實氣象和地震都有在氣象的部分其實特別針對颱風其實在太平洋這邊有一個聯合颱風警報中心那這個部分是在整個太平洋的這個區域裡面如果有颱風發生他們也會提供相關的訊息 |
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另外還有一個海嘯的警報中心那海嘯警報中心如果有發生地震引發海嘯的部分那也會國際聯繫那謝謝署長那我接著要請問了那他是會通知直接通知氣象署還是會通知環境部的氣候變遷署 |
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因為這個是作業面的所以他會直接通知氣象署那所以啊那我想問一下在今天的這個質詢的時候那我想問一下就是那氣候變遷署大家今天討論那麼多的議題那氣候變遷署今天有人來嗎? |
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好沒關係目前的這個交通委員會政策名單上那其實是沒有氣候變遷屬那所以說我們現在凸顯到一個問題就是說在機關的部分其實一直以來大家在氣象觀測都非常的仰賴仰中氣象署的一個報導 |
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那我想要請教一下次長那現在來講在環境部他是新設的這個氣候變遷署但他有讓我們大家感受到這個蝶蟲嫁屋的這個問題因為氣象署他是直接讓大家去做預報可是在這個氣候變遷署他是針對這個氣候的部分他在做研究包括減能減碳或是排碳或者是說氣候變遷以及在國際上的連結 |
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那這個部分怎麼樣可以讓這個氣候變遷署的這些業務跟我們交通部的氣象署能夠去做有效連結那它是不是跌床駕霧包委員這個其實很重要但是政府之間的工作其實有分工的 |
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氣象署本身跟氣候變遷署會有聯繫因為氣候變遷署剛成立蔡署長我在民航局長任內也帶同仁去跟他做過交流就航空方面的檢驗檢探跟氣候變遷的部分跟他做交通所以基本上蔡署長那邊是掌握全國各個企業跟各個部會的作業氣象署或是其他部門也各有各的資訊提供 |
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所以這中間倒是多互動其實我相信一定有互動但是因為在這個民眾我們所第一線的其實還是在於氣候的薄包那包括第6代的這個儀器其實相信這個超級電腦一定也可以讓民眾感受是氣象是有的但是本期在這還是要提出就是說在這個氣候變遷署他是要因應這個全球暖化可是在交通部其實一直以來是主管著氣象 |
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那所以說在這個部分的話其實他節省價物跟他的平行聯繫上確實會有落差就以今天的委員會為例來講那確實來講那討論那麼多氣候變遷那實際上去交代氣象署但是那個氣候變遷署他其實完完全全是置身事外的那我也坦白講如果說未來像這樣子的一個不管是研究也好那如何能夠再銜接在氣象署我相信這個交通部這邊可能還要再跟黃金部這邊溝通 |
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謝謝委員因為氣象的部分畢竟有些是micro有些是macro那那個scale氣候變遷署會相對大一點時間尺度也比較長沒關係但是還是第一線會影響到對還是要多互動因為這些資訊要交流好那沒關係就加強這個機制那再來我想接著請教一下TASA國家太空中心那目前他的委員相關的部分是哪幾個委員其中有沒有包含交通部部長 |
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我個人是董事之一但是因為剛上任還沒有開過會所以基本上交通部有引爆那太空中心會跨相關的領域部門那沒關係我就簡短的提就是說 |
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因為目前來講氣象署其實是非常的用心但是在這個氣象衛星的研發人員目前是全部委外那在目前來講這個國家太空中心啊那其實在這個衛星的這個研發或是在集合在氣象的這個監測上我覺得確實要重視到交通部包括氣象署的一些專業 |
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那這樣子才能夠有效的來提升海天氣預報那以及來銜接、銜補在這個氣象專業如何能夠運用在不管是太空上面以及包括在未來的民眾第一線的需求上謝謝委員這是應該的,謝謝委員謝謝,余委員發言完畢現在請廖先祥委員發言 |
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謝謝主席那一樣先請我們的署長請陳署長那次長也麻煩一起好了請次長因為這可能會有點跨機關的問題請教一下我們 |
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常常發生一些國家重大的緊急通報事項的時候會有細胞檢訊嘛對不對那這時候網路上大家常常討論的不是發生什麼事常常是有人會說我變成了國家的邊緣人對不對我們這可能發出來之後就會大家討論我怎麼都沒收到有人有收到那關於這個問題我們怎麼克服這可能涉及到通訊的部分啦那沒關係誰大家都可以 |
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有關PWS的部分主要是發的quartier因為它有分成好幾個不同的等級有所謂國家級的警報如果每個人都應該收到但有人沒收到是那如果是屬於技術型的問題沒有收到它可能是基地台的普及還不行因為我們的基本的國家的infra的這個部分事實上是有強化的對所以我就是在問這一個而已基地台的普及 |
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那今天要在這個開這個今天的會議之前我們應該好像有先發新聞稿給媒體嘛對不對有特別提到一些這個危險的溪流有跟地方政府配合當發生可能河水暴漲的情況的時候會有預警嘛對不對那這個情形發生的時候會發生河水暴漲的地方其實都在哪些地方 |
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應該都是在荒郊野嶺嘛深山裡面這些地方的通訊一般來說常常都非常的塌沒有訊號那我們從一開始從這個胡寶潭或者是陸陸續續好啦現在有19條的溪流陸陸續續有這個跟地方政府合作嘛就是發緊急的訊號 |
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那有關這19條緊急的這個溪流的危險的部分我們有去測試過這些地方的訊號到底有沒有嗎?民眾收不收得到? |
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這個部分因為有跟地方政府做了相關討論所以所有identify的19條溪流裡面全部都可以在收到的範圍當然有一些更偏遠的地區還沒有加入的那個部分要慢慢去加進來也就是說在地方政府裡面所有的可能危險的溪流其實並不只19條因為目前只有10個縣市參加那這個部分會牽涉到這個地方政府 |
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他相關的這個通訊還有我們基本的他是不是能夠收到所以這個部分是持續在增加的所以組長就是確認潛勢溪流當我們發簡訊發細胞簡訊的時候只要在我們溪流的周遭就一定會收到不會因為基地台的不普及而沒有收到訊號確定嗎 |
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我們在做這件事情是會在沿著這個溪流連岸去identify到底有哪些集體台包括三大電信都有不是只有中華電信喔是是都有全部的電信公司都有因為不同電信公司它的普及度有時候不太一樣所以基本上都有可是它的普及度 |
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會有一點點差異這個必須要特別在這裡稍微做一下所以我就是要確認有沒有沒有被包含到的包含地點包含電信公司 |
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目前這19條溪流的部分因為我們已經經過事先的討論它都可以被cover也就是為什麼我們選這19條作為示範單位或是試作單位就是要確保所有的資訊我們稱之為end to end就是從前端到終端它的訊息都能夠傳播因為這件事情它的反應時間其實是不長的反應時間不長地震的反應時間非常短可能是幾秒 |
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那颱風的反應時間你可能有幾天可是在七流的這個氾濫的部分你的反應時間可能是幾到幾十分鐘所以我說之後有發現一些地點他可能是沒有訊號的情況下那我之後就可能會在一樣可以找我們的 |
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蓬佩奧議員 |
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第二點也是有關國家級警報就是海嘯我想確認一下我們的東北角在我們的評估中有沒有可能會發生大型海嘯 |
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按照過去的歷史記錄的確有發生過大型海嘯的記錄在1867年有到5公尺我記得大概是到5公尺的海嘯那我們相關的當然因為海嘯的緩衝時間老實說是比較長一點嘛對不對那我們相關的緊急的疏難那是什麼跟地方政府或其他單位來配合 |
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有關海嘯的這個在我們的災防法裡面有關海嘯的這個部分基本上是消防署的任務所以在這個部分我們就是跟地方政府跟消防署那邊去做聯繫合作那對於海嘯相關的作為其實已經有identify一個固定的做法 |
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所以我們這邊就是收集訊號然後把這個訊息丟給相關的組織的單位然後再由組織的單位來進行人員的疏散是 有兩個層次一個我們稱之為在近地發生的海嘯是因為台灣這邊地震所產生的海嘯另外一個是遠地的海嘯是 |
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在原地海嘯就是會有會有這個太平洋的這個海嘯中心會提供相關的資訊那我們會去評估這個海嘯坡到達我們這邊相關的時間以及他的坡高來發出不同的警訊好OK那所以都有相關的配套措施那可不可以會後提供請主席才是那會後提供一下就是相關海嘯發布之後 |
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謝謝廖委員發言完畢現在請蔡其昌委員發言 |
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謝謝主席請氣象署陳署長請氣象署吳昂華記證吳昂華我記證署長我們氣象署裡面這個氣象的預報員有多少人 |
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30人那我們氣象的預報員需不需要有類似像國家考試的資格或者是我們的正式的預報員都是高普考禁用高普考禁用那他跟日本在所謂的氣象預報室的概念有沒有一樣 |
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不太一樣因為一個是國家的氣象的官方機關那日本的氣象預報室他其實算是一個民間的考試雖然那個考試事實上是由JMA就是由日本氣象廳授權給一個相關的法人的組織在舉辦考試了解所以對我們的氣象預報員而言能夠上氣象局播報氣象 |
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新聞台裡面的氣象播報員他需要什麼資格? |
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這個對每個新聞台可能不太一樣這裡面很重要一件事情一個是預報一個是播報或是傳播傳播會比較單純一點預報它需要很多很多的背景知識我根據你的預報我再來加以預報或者我加以傳播或者那你怎麼定義它是預報或者它叫傳播基本的定義是這樣子 |
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預報的話他必須要自己產生一個報告他自己的報告傳播他只是把這個訊息我知道你們30個裡面大家可以自行預報自己認為接下來一個小時會不會下雨 |
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是,其實我們有一個預報討論會因為我們是官方單位任何的預報發布都是經過預報討論會出來的結果所以是合意制的,派一個人出去講而已是,並且有審核的程序那這個預報員他們的薪水多少錢 |
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我們的預報員就正式人的薪水如果是普考進來的話大概是4萬多那我們最高的預報預報人員的資深的預報人員他薪水可以到8萬OK大概4萬到8萬他們工作他們工作大概時間長不長 |
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對基本上因為我們的預報人員他需要24小時運作所以我們的一個班目前是12小時的班然後之後就是輪替的方式來做那在24小時裡面都會有相關的人員我打電話到那個諮詢專線氣象署的諮詢專線是由預報員接我的電話是嗎是所以他們要24小時嗎 |
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是那我請那個吳季正你當過你現在還在輪值預報員嗎我還有有時候會輪值你還在輪就對了台風的平常是這台風的時間這是媒體的工作媒體的工作所以你還在輪所以我打電話去有可能你接的目前那個電話我可能接不到但是如果改當當但你接過你接過這個電話對接了好多年好那你接這個電話裡面你覺得這個工作輕不輕鬆不輕鬆但是很有挑戰性也很刺激 |
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那你覺得打電話進來的人你的比例而言真的要問氣象的有多少人?比例多高?我覺得不少比例6到8成那當然而且其中包括很多真的很關心天氣的那他打電話進來問的時候我看那個媒體有寫過有播那個什麼唸誦經的啦打電話進來聊天的啦或者anyway你覺得這個比例高不高? |
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這比例其實逐年逐年就是比以前高啦你以前越來越高了我覺得現在社會的社會氛圍的關係好所以你覺得這份薪水4萬多8萬24小時要輪子還要接這些電話你覺得應不應該再把它調升一下你說薪水調升嗎對對當然當然當然所以你也覺得明顯過低對不對 |
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我們薪水就是我們公務員的薪資阿對對對對對謝謝謝謝好來署長其實齁對我而言我剛剛做了一個臨時提案就是說氣象對我而言尤其在現代它是產業為什麼我從氣象播報員左手因為氣象我們到底從學訓用 |
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如果沒有把人才做好沒有把法令規範好政府在政策上把它當成產業其實這個產業我們一直做不起來你知道台灣我的調查好像只有6家氣象公司嘛韓國大概找我們10年啦他們關注到這個問題所以他們現在大概有幾百家幾十家韓國30家左右啦韓國大概有30家左右 |
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那如果我們對於這些什麼叫做播報員他具備什麼樣的條件那他該負責什麼而這些人市場氣象公司他們需要的人才是什麼我覺得氣象局應該有一個統一性的規劃那其實對我而言我覺得沒有產業我們的播報同仁都很辛苦因為他們沒有我們的預報員沒有地方可以跑 |
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因為在外面沒有需求嘛可是如果氣象作為一個產業啊 你的薪水這麼低啊 他們就會去被挖角這個對氣象播報這個專業啊 我認為這個才公平啊那再來 這個產業很重要 譬如說 你知道過去3年啊我當那個 這個我現在還是中華職棒會長 但過去3年我也是會長 |
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我每次跟氣象局最密切的時間是什麼是我們辦重要比賽的時間像我們辦那個中華職棒的明星賽我們的同仁幾乎 |
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都要跟我們氣象局那個諮詢專線幾乎每一個小時就要打一通電話因為幾個小時後會不會下雨我們的比賽要不要提早通知球迷今天一定會下雨所以取消或者我們必須球迷來了我們要很清楚的知道是延長一個小時後比賽還是兩個小時後比賽因為這個動輒以中華職棒而言一場比賽動輒都是 |
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都是千萬級的錢在輸贏所以你看為了我們這個我們一定要買保險為什麼不然我們損失實在太驚人了所以我們只好跟民間的保險公司來買天后的保險所以他是產業啊 |
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我剛剛只是講一個規模不是太大千萬級啊你其他的譬如說風電、太陽能各式各樣比我們更大型的這些商業活動他所影響的更是巨大所以氣象不再是過去我們概念上好像 |
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我覺得現代的生活從農業各式各樣商演活動各式各樣都跟氣象產生很大的關係你看我看了一個統計表這個應該是你們交通部美國氣象產業的產值是2100億日本200億韓國80億台灣只有3億 |
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那不是台灣不需要是因為我們從來沒有好好的把氣象當成一個產業好好的來規劃所以這個署長知道我做一個臨時提案的用意了吧 |
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是了解啊特別是在我們氣象署成立的時候其實我們做了很多討論那有關促進氣象產業發展這件事情的確也是我們在署成立的非常非常重要的一個工作那在這裡面也包含了我們怎麼樣在氣象法修法 |
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讓我們的促進氣象的產業相關的發展所以在這個部分我們有一些配套的作為在做不過的確在我們台灣目前氣象產業相較於我們鄰近各國或者歐美先進國家我們的確是稍微有點落後那目前我們正在趕上 |
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還有一件很重要的事情是我們的觀念我們的產業的觀念就是說有關產業發展其實最重要一件事情是市場其實剛剛委員的指教其實已經談到這件事情那市場的部分其實要靠 |
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不僅是政府也靠民間他把這個市場的機會release出來去用運用運用不只是政府機關的相關的預報也包含了民間的預報這部分需要一起來努力對對其實這有機會但是因為源頭因為他的架構的源頭在你比如說你的所有的衛星相關監測天氣變化的設備大概民間公司他的重點在於跟你買這個data然後我來判讀 |
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所以他需要什麼人,譬如說我可不可以我成立氣象公司會挖那個5G證過來我的公司那我民間公司我隨便都開比你價格高嘛但你民間沒有產業他永遠就只能待在氣象署啊他沒有地方可以跑啊所以我的意思是說政策先讓氣象公司這個產業 |
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讓我們的政策訂出這個方向民間才可能投資嘛第二個我投資完我東西要跟誰買我的價格跟你跟國外比起來到底data的價格是高是低然後再來政府有沒有培訓這個人才譬如說你政府要不要訂證照的制度譬如說我們現在就像那個網路啊亂播報亂報地震亂報這個氣象 |
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那現在不管你是加什麼警工什麼學術討論他就連這句話都會酸你啦你加任何警語他都會酸你啦那你有沒有考慮過他這個產業裡面是不是因為你沒有專業的技術人員你要不要用國家考試來規範什麼人可以做到什麼程度 |
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這個道理是這樣,那你做到什麼程度之後國家有這個體系所以我開氣象公司某人開氣象公司他就知道說他會臨時你都會報我現在開個氣象公司人人人什麼叫合格的人才所以這個都是氣象署要整體去做一個規劃主席已經站起來我再問一個問題小問題就好了我覺得那個我們的APP真的應該要強化一下那國家的APP |
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比如說我不知道我都是用我也有下載你們但我都是用我的內建為什麼我用內建很簡單我要知道一小時 |
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12781.496 |
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12801.978 |
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我等一下去齁只有兩個小時我就會離開所以我不需要知道你三小時後的可是你看你們的都不管降雨不管降雨不管溫度都是三小時啊就三小時一次啦可是你現在隨便免費的啊我那個蘋果手機內建的我都一小時啊 |
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12818.844 |
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一小時後會不會下雨一小時後溫度幾度我們政府做的三小時人家一般的都一小時難怪你的APP很難用當然你還有其他資訊我是說我們對一般小老百姓最重要的事情就這個而已這個可不可以 |
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12819.369 |
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12836.4 |
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改進一下我們理解齁這個我們其實下一階段就是要做一小時的現在是間隔三小時的資料那未來會做一小時的不要那麼下一個階段聽起來下一個階段不知道要三年五年啦這個就人家都已經搞那麼久了讓他再下一個階段 |
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12837.261 |
| transcript.whisperx[482].end |
12839.702 |
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趕快改進阿趕快延續一下先加薪阿謝謝蔡委員發言完畢現在請鄭天才委員發言 |
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12893.15 |
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12914.739 |
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主席、委員有請這個次長請林國賢次長次長好早很早因為過去你擔任過路政司司長是是這個今天就問這個公路的部分10年前我沒關係那10年前沒關係 |
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12921.716 |
| transcript.whisperx[484].end |
12941.352 |
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臺東縣、關山鎮、東七縣要透寬成為臺九縣的外環道公路總局有在做這樣的規劃但是國防部是希望能夠新建戰備跑道 |
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12943.957 |
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12967.018 |
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所以這個臺東關山鎮的鄉親就不同意這個戰備跑道蓋在這個要跟這個關山的這個東七線併在一起因為這裡面會再拓寬很多就會增加很多的這個農地一個農田會被倒田了 |
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12967.978 |
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12988.531 |
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會被這個成為一個道路所以他們反對那這個台東的鄉親現場來講就希望能夠再往東移以這個合體共構合體共構在這個上次啊 |
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12989.468 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].end |
13009.426 |
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花東快速公路可行性評估的時候交通部、公路總局有去關山做可行性評估的說明會民眾也建議因為這個花東快速公路的目前的路線就是在 |
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合體這個地方所以鄉親也是希望說就更快速發動快的在合體這個地方不會影響很多的農田這樣的話對這個戰備跑道我們絕對支持但是因為糧食也很重要糧食尤其是這個 |
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13035.401 |
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13036.021 |
| transcript.whisperx[489].text |
華東快原來就有選定一個路 |
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13063.28 |
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接下來最後一個議題舒華安 |
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13103.606 |
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的環評卡關這個部分如果我們去對照抒發改抒發改的時候你那時候還在嗎是環評是我們做的所以這個 |
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13107.035 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].end |
13135.194 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].text |
蘇花改97年11月10日行政院同意可行性的研究99年兩年就完成的環評當初而如果舊蘇花改跟現在的蘇花改已經完成了那需要蘇花安再進行事實上舊蘇花改跟蘇花安蘇花改的難度更高所以這個部分以現在的來看 |
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13141.468 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].text |
蘇發安行政院在108年合併可行性研究 |
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13143.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].end |
13168.059 |
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到現在還品都還沒有完成所以這個部分是一個需要去加強的地方而且其實因為有時候還品人也不一樣來的人不一樣委員會更換對要會換所以這部分公務總局、交通部你們在這說明的時候要把它說清楚說法改的 |
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13197.191 |
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當時的那個難度影響的更高確實啊這個舒華安是比較要把它說明要讓他先知道啊因為環評的人不一樣啊確實所以這會覺得很奇怪的一個狀況所以這個部分我想這個我們公總應該要公路局啦應該要充分來說明您提的沒有錯當時舒華高速公路跟舒華改舒華改已經挑最危險的路段去處理了 |
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13219.389 |
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所以理論上舒嬅安應該是相對相對環境影響上少但是環評委員提的意見我想我請工總對 要做很好的說明尤其是有的意見是說因為你要做高價嘛做高價的時候會不會影響什麼什麼馬上拿回工日給他看嘛 |
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13220.129 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].end |
13236.031 |
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南迴公路現在都高價嘛所以這個部分是一個讓環評人員我們不批評他但是讓他了解能夠支持因為高價環的對地表的生態影響相對是小的對因為我們委員的考量 |
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13236.451 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].end |
13256.18 |
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因為我們已經有案例了第一個就是速發改的案例這在透過隧道或是其他的第二個高架的部分也有很好的案例就是這個南回公路嘛南回公路這個部分每次經過那邊哇這超棒我每次我都稱這個 |
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13281.926 |
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那個公路那一段我都說那個是臺東的高速公路我想我們要了解一下環評委員的考量是什麼公路局針對他的疑慮要充分的說明讓他了解讓他了解我不責怪這些環評委員但是因為他第一次接觸 |
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13282.346 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].end |
13282.786 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].text |
謝謝委員,我們再來轉達 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].start |
13300.102 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].end |
13319.975 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].text |
謝謝鄭委員：發言完畢：現在請謝一鳳委員：謝一鳳委員：謝一鳳委員不在：現在請鍾嘉斌委員：鍾嘉斌委員：鍾嘉斌委員不在：現在請徐宇貞委員：徐宇貞委員：徐宇貞委員不在 |
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13321.036 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].end |
13340.675 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].text |
現在請蘇清泉委員、蘇清泉委員、蘇清泉委員不在現在請林德福委員、林德福委員、林德福委員不在現在請陳俊宇委員、陳俊宇委員、陳俊宇委員不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].start |
13341.576 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].end |
13368.424 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].text |
現在請羅廷惟委員．羅廷惟委員．羅廷惟委員不在現在請王美惠委員．王美惠委員．王美惠委員不在現在請張雅琳委員．張雅琳委員．張雅琳委員不在現在請羅明才委員．羅明才委員．羅明才委員不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].start |
13369.484 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].end |
13398.404 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].text |
現在請復坤祺委員．復坤祺委員．復坤祺委員不在現在請徐欣盈委員．徐欣盈委員．徐欣盈委員不在現在請林思敏委員．林思敏委員．林思敏委員不在現在請鄭振淺委員．鄭振淺委員．鄭振淺委員不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].start |
13399.284 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].end |
13428.353 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].text |
現在請舒巧慧委員、舒巧慧委員、舒巧慧委員不在登記質詢委員均已發言完畢做以下決定報告及詢答完畢委員於質詢中所提要求提供相關書面資料或未及答覆的部分請交通部儘速以書面答覆 |
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| transcript.whisperx[506].text |
本日議程處理完畢現在休息3月20日星期三上午9點繼續開會 |