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| 委員名稱 |
廖偉翔 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:36:14 - 11:48:35 |
| 影片長度 |
741 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-11-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第10次全體委員會議（事由：審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案關於衛生福利部主管預算（公務預算及基金）。（僅詢答，113年12月6日下午5時截止收案）） |
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謝謝主席 有請邱部長 |
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委員好部長你好部長有關新冠跟流感混打的事宜根據美國醫學會的雜誌刊登的文獻研究發現同時接種COVID-19疫苗跟流感疫苗後中風的風險會增加 |
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那美國食品藥物管理局的專家分析了醫療保險索賠的數據也得出相同的結論那同時CNN在去年的10月26日也報導混打會提高中風的風險那請問部長現在這些研究有出來對於風險的部分是持相反的意見那會不會考慮停止左流右行的這個這項做法 |
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好 薛委員的指教齁 那我想我們所有的疫苗怎麼打 要打什麼 都是由ACIP齁 或者是相關的一個專家齁 經過很嚴謹的考的一個 當然他們每一個都是 應該都是這一方面的專家對 我相信是專家 |
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所以應該會這樣的打法那個應該是專家所但部長我去查了一下因為左流右心的這個施打方法是在依據111年的2月25日傳染病防治諮詢會的流感防治組預防接種組的聯席會議訂定的所以是在111年的2月25號可是 |
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這些是後來美國學界在去年做出病打會增加風險的研究所以我要跟你講的你懂我的意思嗎瞭解在這部分疾管署跟ACIP的會議是不是要重新檢討雖然說有很多的這種醫學的研究或許都有正反兩面的意見但是是不是應該要重新檢討而且要把這種各種風險明確的告訴我們的國人是 |
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是的那是不是我請署長莊署長報告委員那有關這個報導的部分那容我們再去看因為每一個研究它有不同的一個證據等級那這個部分我們也會收集這些研究然後再去跟我們的ACIP的委員會來做這方面的一個對因為當初你們設定的時間點跟後來出來的研究是有落差的不過應該是說 |
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當初是這樣但是我們陸續也有看到其他是正面的一些結果你說左流右心對所以我們也會好那我就接下來就繼續講了國外目前主要討論就是有關混打兩種疫苗後老人心血管啊腦中風的病患機率提高的問題那所以日前在基隆也出現左流右心一次接種之後就有民眾不幸死亡的案例 |
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上個月在臺東也有接種5天後身亡的案例那對此 疾管署你們的回應是什麼回應是說通常都是接種一小時後發生的副作用那一般就不會被認定跟疫苗相關的副作用 |
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是有關係但這樣的風險是不是存在民眾如果知道有這樣的風險而且接種後的副作用的保固卻只有一個小時部長你認為民眾對於這樣左流右行同時混打的接受度會提高還是會降低我想如果媒體這樣的消息當然會影響到接種率的意願所以以臺大意願而言在 |
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11月現在是11月11月還打得不錯11月好像就稍微降下來了所以的確我們要好好的來來瞭解來跟民眾再度你們要應該要再一次的深入去瞭解重新召開然後因為他有風險應該是要讓民眾可以明確明白自己有風險之後再自行評估他要不要參與施打 |
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我之前也幫很多疫苗受害家屬開過記者會討空到因為你們發生這件事情之後你們後續就在自己審議委員會裡面每一個案例只花了80秒的時間 |
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而且深入分析之後統整大概衛福部就是用兩大招數在迴避自己的責任一個是以特定醫學文獻指稱患者狀況與疫苗無關第二個則是扣上患者可能有潛在慢性疾病的帽子那現在這樣子的做法如果沒有審慎去面對你就可能會創造更多新冠疫苗的這種受害者然後到時候再來揮 |
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報告委員那像這一例他會做這個解剖啦所以會做進一步的查證那這個之前開會記者會很多細節就是你們就是不夠嚴謹那另外這個剛剛說這個開會80秒那個我想有些誤會因為其實我們每一個案 |
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若沒有的話可不可以請部長在這裡澄清跟保證 |
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我們冒著風險要去推這個左流右行並不是為了要為未來雙效疫苗在進行真實世界的人體試驗 |
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我相信所有的專家疫苗專家我不曉得是誰但是一定都是各全國各地的醫療相關的精英你從我擔任在醫界這麼多年我相信沒有一個醫療的專家會站在任何所以部長你保證就不會是嗎我只是要你曾經保證一下嘛保證不會因為這種原因來做這種事情好所以我還是要強調一下我是希望提高接種率我還是要強調一下我並沒有反對疫苗施打的推行 |
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但是你們應該要誠實而且非常公開透明的讓小心的告訴我們的民眾這應該是衛福部的責任而不是只是負責花錢去為了提升疫苗的打氣然後後續發生了又不管什麼副作用然後你們的整個整個審理這些疫苗受害的過程非常的狹隘讓這些人為了公衛去願意打這個疫苗可是發生問題之後卻得不到賠償 |
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另外部長這個有關衛福部的這個霸凌的事情公務體系今天也很多人都有問但是昨天賴總統終於在事發17天後在臉書上檢討這件事情他強調每一位每一名員工都是政府機關重要的議員都是人才要加強對於他們關懷跟保護 |
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那但是昨天勞動部和部長對於這個霸凌的調查報告說他有他的惡可是這樣的惡是不是普遍存在官僚體制中就像是德國哲學家漢納厄蘭所說的平庸的邪惡請問部長你認同這個這句話嗎平庸的邪惡 |
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我是很認同何部長引述漢娜二蘭所說邪惡的平庸 |
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因為那是在批判那些在納粹希特勒威權領導下社會集體的思考無能所以他是不是在影射這幾年的民進黨政府的執政我想這就用大家去解讀我就不評判了但是我要強調即使他說這個平庸的邪惡但絕對沒有目的良善的霸凌所以我想問一下上週這個 |
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部長啊上週在社群媒體的這個有關爆料機關署整備組組長也有這方面的問題請教部長啊罵人是豬啊是求好行妾目的良善情緒失控公然侮辱還是平庸的邪惡哪一種啊罵人只要是在職場上有罵人都是不對的啦不管你用什麼言辭這樣子好所以這件事情啊霸凌的事件你們是不是也認知到這件事情不能再拖有我們一個禮拜之內會你是因為行政院 |
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被行政院長罵了才趕快改還是行政院長道歉了因為你們本來說兩個月現在變一個禮拜院長是指示指示大家任何這有寫嘛以便媒體最後或者討論的是案件全部要在一周內完成調查追責責任這一件事情啊能夠帶來讓相關霸凌事件的重視跟加速的調查我想是我們在不幸中的這個事件要學到的其中一個教訓會很謹慎 |
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好再來目前我們看到整備組的異動37%是確實是偏高的但是也高於機關署的13%所以幾個調查重點要特別提醒一下我們的部長第一個這個委員會的組成要合理該避免的人士就要迴避外部委員的人數也比例也應該要提高相關人士的邀約談還有包含主管基層 |
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然後也要確保中間到底有沒有人吃案、押案 |
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那也沒有要查核然後現在時代也不是只是用公文在下命令所以這些媒介都應該要去掌握那另外我是希望這個調查請部長我也有看到你有保證應該要公正超然不要有行政瑕疵不然我們一定會追究到底對我想這個該辦就要辦公務體系不應該成為這個官場現行記的舞台應該是穩定國家發展的基石主席不好意思我還有還是有一點點問題要問 |
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好我直接跳下一題好了有關於日前食藥署發布公告將這個藥放寬六項標準標準放寬從一倍到三倍都有事實上減少農藥等化學物質在蔬果上提倡無農藥的種植都是趨勢我想問一下 |
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為什麼現在會反其道而行放寬標準你看這裡面阿福平調高2.5倍其他3倍2.8倍這些都有高於歐盟3倍高於歐盟5倍都有我想要請問一下 |
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為什麼會有這樣的原因是其他他國要求嗎還是是有其他的原因呢是不是是那個裝死請裝死跟委員報告一下因為這些農藥的放寬的標準主要的原因是我們那時候是依據農業部的要求有的是因為他在在各個地的依據農業部的要求啊那農業部為什麼要要求這件事情犧牲國人的食品安全健康 |
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過去就已經討論過草莓農要標準放寬經過激烈的討論之後並沒有通過為什麼現在又要放寬呢是因為要因應日本的要求嗎還是有誰在下指導旗要犧牲國人的健康 |
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以前就已經討論過為什麼現在要突然放寬明明就是往沒有農藥的方向去走就是趨勢那你現在放寬的背後的邏輯到底是什麼而且這也有寫日本草莓今年又新增開放了使用七種農藥 |
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我要提醒你們不應該把人民的健康把人民的食安放在風險之中所以我反對把這個放款為了守護人民的食品安全好謝謝主席好謝謝廖委員謝謝我們一定會守護 |
| IVOD_ID |
157329 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157329 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-26-10 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
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| 開始時間 |
2024-11-21T11:36:14+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-21T11:48:35+08:00 |
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