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| 委員名稱 |
張宏陸 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:25:29 - 11:35:31 |
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602 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-11-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
（變更議程）立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會第11次全體委員會議（事由：一、 審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案」案。二、 審查委員馬文君等16人擬具「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案」案。三、 審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等18人擬具「國土計畫法第二十三條條文修正草案」案。四、 審查委員林思銘等18人擬具「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案」案。五、 審查委員許宇甄等19人擬具「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案」案。六、 審查委員呂玉玲等17人擬具「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案」案。七、 審查委員蔡易餘等16人擬具「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案」案。八、 審查委員陳超明等20人擬具「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案」案。九、 審查委員丁學忠等17人擬具「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案」案。十、 審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等17人擬具「國土計畫法第七條、第三十五條及第四十五條條文修正草案」案。十一、審查委員張嘉郡等16人擬具「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案」案。十二、 審查委員劉建國等19人擬具「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案」案。十三、審查委員邱鎮軍等21人擬具「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案」案。十四、 審查委員徐欣瑩等20人擬具「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案」案。十五、 審查委員王美惠等17人擬具「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案」案。十六、 審查委員柯志恩等16人擬具「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案」案。十七、 審查委員楊瓊瓔等19人擬具「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案」案。十八、 審查委員羅廷瑋等17人擬具「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案」案。十九、 審查委員王育敏等17人擬具「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案」案。二十、 審查委員黃建賓等16人擬具「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案」案。二十一、 審查委員張智倫等18人擬具「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案」案。二十二、 審查委員陳亭妃等16人擬具「國土計畫法第四十條條文修正草案」案。二十三、 審查委員林岱樺等16人擬具「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案」案。二十四、 審查委員涂權吉等17人擬具「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案」案。二十五、 審查委員魯明哲等16人擬具「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案」案。二十六、 審查委員邱議瑩等17人擬具「國土計畫法第四十條條文修正草案」案。二十七、 審查委員劉建國等17人擬具「國土計畫法第八條及第四十五條條文修正草案」案。 【第二十四案，如經復議，則不予審查；第二十五至二十七案，如未經各黨團簽署不復議同意書，則不予審查。】） |
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國土計畫法及區域計畫法有何最大差別? |
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跟委員報告,大概我們從兩個角度,第一個當然是從永續的影響性,第二個呢是從延續原來區域計畫時代對大家容許使用項目的一個保護,我們從這兩個角度第一個把它做一個比較好的規劃掌控,那因為有過去區域計畫時代是不重視規劃,只重視現況管制,但是我們賦予地方規劃權,那第二個呢 |
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但希望透過合理的規劃審議能夠保護我們的現在的國土。第二個呢但是也延續區域計畫時代對大家容許使用的這個保障權益所以基本上權益都有維持甚至還有在卓與放寬的一個部分。 |
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全力繼續保留啊什麼,人家聽不懂啊。我請問一下,未來國土計畫法實施之後,農地可不可以蓋農舍?也可以。可以嘛。對,延續農發條例的這個部分都延續。這個不用講那麼多啦,你就可以不可以就好了啦。對不對,可以嘛齁。那農地未來如果有需要使用的話,它可不可以去變更? |
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這個就是透過整體規劃的時候就可以去整體規劃開發就可以了。可不可以變更啊?可以。可以嘛齁。對啊你就回答重點就好。阿所以其實現有的農地它未來還是可以變更還是可以蓋農舍然後還什麼幾乎權力沒有特別的改變啊?是。是不是?還有放寬一些權力。對嘛其實沒有特別的改變嘛齁。是。 |
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對阿,但為什麼沒有特別改變,會造成大家好像很緊張,好像是劃入了農業區之後呢,就永無翻身。我覺得這點要說清楚。 |
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我家也是有農地的啊,對不對,也是都很擔心啊,大家都知道我來自台中縣鄉下啊,大家以後未來農地啊永遠都永無翻身,人活著就是一個希望嘛。應該是這麼說,很多人都是這一次會提出來是因為他們期待農地的財產價值要更高。 |
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審查委員吳琪銘等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案〉案。 |
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國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。四、 INTERVIEWER審查委員馬文君等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案〉案。五、 INTERVIEWER審查委員馬文君等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。〉 |
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國土計畫法只是在負責地方的國土計畫還有中央的國土計畫我們怎麼樣做比較好的國土計畫不要讓它變成破碎的然後損害到國土的永續發展對部長我覺得這個說這些都對啦但你說去什麼辦說明會我說真的啦能跟多少人說啦農民的最主要的管道是什麼 |
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農會等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案。 |
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審查委員馬文君等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案． |
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條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條 |
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因為他是舉一個農地出租做光電板的案例用這樣的概念去那其實這在這整個全世界來講他們所引用的不管是英國或是後來提到了美國其實他都是一個 |
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很早期提出來但是後來都已經修正或限縮甚至大部分都以都市計畫區為主就是因為在過程當中已經發現諸多不合理的現象或被扭曲的現象所以在台灣從來都不是以這樣的概念 |
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條文修正草案案案案案。 |
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講這麼多齁,你講的都對啦,但你講這些農民就聽不懂了啦。是。對不對?齁,我必須要很、很好,他就聽不懂了啦。那我一個很簡單的概念啦。都市計畫法裡面,你也有繳貸金也有什麼的。這個概念我不、我不認為概念是錯的啦齁。但,四十萬,我跟你講,以後變成農地草作欸。 |
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我只要是農地都40萬我去買那個根本很難耕種的那我每年都40萬我跟你講我比放在銀行的定存還好欸阿這樣子變成農地的炒作捏這個反而是不對的捏是不是這樣事實上在美國的確也是發生這樣的問題我們不管美國啦台灣會不會這樣啦 |
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議員吳琪銘等16人擬具〈國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案案〉案。 |
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自主耕作自主以後去納入開發的這樣一個權利。重點是你要跟農民講阿如果這樣的話人家便宜就來買你的農地連農地現在沒有價值結果每年40萬結果錢被誰賺走這個才是重點在美國就是野方財團就直接去收購等於如果這樣的話農民會損失很多欸40萬欸我比放在銀行定存還高欸對不對我個人覺得這個是不大對的欸 |
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對,跟我們的立法宗旨跟農業部要保護農民的是完全不對的捏我想接下來我們會整理一些有關這一方面的這個不管是他們提到了國外的還是國內在相關的不是接下來啦主席不好意思喔不是接下來今天就要討論了你今天就要把這些問題講給大家聽了欸部長 |
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財政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院財政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院財政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院財政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條條文修正草案．立法院財政委員吳琪銘等16人擬具:「國土計畫法第四十五條條條文修正草 |
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桃園市桃竹苗這個矽谷大開發也沒有農地或者農地會變成建地或工業用地那這些貸金要補助給誰按照他們所謂的農業發展權的概念要補助給農地很多的地方那怎麼補助過去按照剛剛我們署長所說的在美國這樣子的一個方法叫TDR |
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這個TDR是高達一千英畝以上才要做TDR台灣哪有那個土地是有一千英畝大概跟宮廷差不多所以引用這個概念是一個非常落伍的概念何況這個概念是1981年提出來如果有的話現在美國就如火如荼在推動 |
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國土計畫法第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條文修正草案．立法院第四十五條條 |
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如果這個要入法是在國土計畫法嗎?還是在農業部的相關的條例? |
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我們的行政單位沒有提這樣子的一個修正法律我知道啦對行政單位沒有放在國土計畫法但是還沒有到我們委員會來對我個人認為啦如果要真的要這個農業權生存權的概念其實這個是要農業部他如何去去輔導農民或什麼應該是入在農業部的相關法令而不是入在區域計畫區域計畫法就是一個區域計畫的精神跟這個是不相干的啦我個人是這樣認為啦 |
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修法也要修對地方啦 對不對部長我同意委員的看法好 謝謝 |
| IVOD_ID |
157323 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157323 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-21 |
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| 開始時間 |
2024-11-21T11:25:29+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-21T11:35:31+08:00 |
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