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| 委員名稱 |
王育敏 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:05:19 - 10:18:33 |
| 影片長度 |
794 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-11-21T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第10次全體委員會議（事由：審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案關於衛生福利部主管預算（公務預算及基金）。（僅詢答，113年12月6日下午5時截止收案）） |
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好謝謝主席我們是不是有請邱部長部長好首先我要問你有關於食安的問題部長你有在吃薑黃粉嗎你有吃咖哩嗎 |
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我很喜歡吃咖哩很喜歡吃咖哩我要跟你講的就是我們蘇丹紅的食安問題報不完從辣椒粉到咖哩粉到現在最新的是薑黃粉一直都出現問題完全都沒有在市面上蘇丹紅沒有在市面上完全消失 |
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11月4號我才質詢有關於咖哩粉的事件然後你們才去查查了這個薑黃粉的業者然後查了22家現在爆發出來德和公司的薑黃粉有蘇丹紅 |
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一萬公斤已經售出五千七百多公斤你們下架回收的才一千八百六十一公斤很多人都吃下肚了你們現在的查法就是委員報到哪裡你們才查到哪裡都沒有超前部署 |
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這個薑黃粉現在有非常多的長輩他們覺得是很好的養生食品所以都買這種大瓶的回來加在飯裡面或者是沖泡來喝他覺得吃越多越健康是養生的所以越是這樣子的一個標榜養生的食品你就應該要更仔細的把關但是到目前為止你們現在薑黃粉 |
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你們去查的是印度的公司進口對不對你們現在邊境江黃粉你們目標對象是印度但是你看看這個報關資料只有印度進口江黃粉嗎 |
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王育敏議員 |
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有或沒有我們當然印度的從這一年來就前面監視查驗蘇丹紅我問你越南現在有沒有監視我不是請莊署長回答一下有嗎我看是沒有吧 |
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報告委員剛剛委員有提醒我們其實上次那個查到第一剛開始薑黃出問題的時候是因為那個特調咖啡特調咖哩粉然後後來我們去清查它裡面的所有原料才發現是薑黃粉那薑黃的時候跟委員特別報告一件事情是我們那天查出來以後我們就回溯了3年之內所有進來的印度的薑黃粉 |
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韓國瑜 |
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王育敏議員 |
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所以他不應該再去添加不必要的添加包括蘇丹紅在裡面你知道才能確保這些長者很重視養生人的健康我要求的是你們應該要全面像這樣子的一個產品你已經有查出第一批你就應該要全面性的這些進口的來源你通通都要查清楚要嚴格的把關做不做得到 |
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做得到報告委員我們現在就可以列多少所有的薑黃粉不同不管哪一國進口我們現在已經全力列入監視查驗好全面的去監視查驗我們要確保這個是大家吃的是沒有問題的接下來我要問有關於這個輸液的問題這個部長我讓你看一張很誇張的班表這個是某一家藥廠他9月份跟地方政府提出來他的加班需求 |
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這當中你知道嗎我看到最驚悚的是有人加班時數要高達150.5到160小時他跟地方政府申請他有員工需要加班 |
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一百五十到一百六十小時有一個人是這樣子超過一百人的總共有六個人你知道一個勞工如果加班超過一百五十小時是什麼概念嗎每天工作要長達十二個小時加上週休二日都不要休都要上班是這樣的狀態就等於他變成機器人就是整整一個月都不能休息的狀態 |
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你有掌握嗎有藥廠9月份跟地方政府申報他需要的是勞工這麼過勞超時的加班來趕輸液但是你們對外說輸液通通夠沒有問題但是有藥廠是用這樣子的方式在幫忙趕工而這個是你們自己去要求勞動部幫你們解套 |
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請勞動部放寬條件運用的是在這種天災事變突發事件勞基法第32條第4項跟第40條的特殊加班幫你們開一個後門讓藥廠可以打破天花板然後要求勞工不斷加班只為了趕你們的輸液 |
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那你們對外又宣稱說輸液是夠的但是有藥廠提出這麼誇張的一個加班時數這個到底是為什麼部長你有掌握嗎其實這整個過程我們相關的部門都非常的努力我也都有掌握狀況那我們當然嚴格的就是說加班只能 |
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為了人工輸液那我們當然就是一定要在勞動部合可的情況之下那這是我們基本的要求那至於說這樣的一個努力之下的確是度過了一個困難的艱苦的一個時期雖然現在的使用上有些醫療驗手還是因為包裝大小的問題還是有一些困擾但是至少量方面 |
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是夠的啦那至於說是不是有這樣的掌握我們超過這麼多是不是莊市長有沒有這個有啊這個我調到資料就是這樣報告委員這一次因為那個樹葉的問題我們請那個臺灣的那個生產的藥廠加班那這件事情我們也請勞委會勞動部同意加班但是我們那個整個文來的時候我們是希望他在符合勞基法的要求之下 |
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那這幾家的他特時超過加班這個我們那時候是是因為勞動部下去做勞檢的時候發現他們的時數過高那現在才開始裁罰那其他的因為這次所有的呃加班的時數其實我們那時候都有跟廠商講希望他還是符合勞基法的情況之下那你要符合勞基法你就不應該去運用天災事變突發事件這一條啊你知道這一條是太上黃條款你只要運用了之後他是沒有上限的 |
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那所謂你們的上限你們希望符合勞基法是多少按照現行勞基法最高一個月如果工會同意的話才到54小時 |
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那你們這個你們用的是天災事變所以是等於是沒有天花板當然就會變成是這個樣子啊所以你們勞動部難死其救啊你們造成是基層的這一些藥廠的勞工過勞的一個情況而你們通通都沒有把關他們這麼的辛勞就是為了應付你們輸液的問題當時的一個處置不當你們後知後覺9月份這個頒表你有看過嗎你們知道嗎 |
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也渾然不知你還說你們有監督那你們根本我要求你們去看實際的狀況我只關心這個勞工一個月150小時以上的加班他現在人還好嗎有沒有爆肝你們作為衛福部好好去關心一下我們馬上來關心來瞭解 |
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對阿這個就是一個非常誇張嘛但是一切都是因你們而起嘛你們輸液就是缺乏然後你們又讓勞動部去發了一個文而且還持續到10月31號你們當時發出的文他可以運用突破勞基法的這個第32條第4項第40條 |
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還到10月31號所以這當中我要你們去回溯去關照到底有多少勞工在這個過程其實是爆肝的幫你們去趕輸液看你們要怎麼去去這個勞工你們他的身體健康你們衛福部好好去關照一下我覺得這個問題其實是蠻誇張的另外一個既然輸液問題已經解決了你們現在在預算裡面輸液的預算從2.5億要暴增到11億 |
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為什麼你們說現在輸液已經沒有問題了9月永豐也已經開始恢復供應了那為什麼你還要暴增11億你這個是要打算要大量還必須從國外進口嗎你們原來只需要2.5億為什麼暴增 |
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國內供應輸易的量到底夠不夠? |
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所以現在即使永豐加入生產之後也還不夠?他還沒有量產?現在已經11月了,還不夠? |
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跟委員報告目前還是需要仰賴那個專案輸入到目前為止還是這樣那能夠供應到這個第一線的使用還沒有辦法完全由國內國產像過去都是國產供應沒有這個專案輸入現在還仍然需要專案輸入 |
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好如果是這樣子的話這一筆預算我會嚴格監督喔因為你們從今年最迫切需要是2.5億那你明年照道理來講我們國產的應該加入不需要那麼大的量結果你還暴增經費變成11億顯然這個是有浮邊的嫌疑喔 |
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這個我們一定會嚴格把關最後我要提醒部長的就是不可以因為你的趕工去壓迫這些藥廠基層的勞工甚至讓他爆肝我看到這種超過100小時的加班我覺得是不可思議而如果你們都沒有出面去處理我覺得這個就是失職 |
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我們會出面處理我跟委員再報告一下那個11億那個原來其實是在健保裡面那因為政府體諒到說讓健保不要太壓力太大所以才特別讓11億變成公務預算但這是輸液啊對就是輸液這件事情所以你原本輸液就需要11億嗎原來我們11億是要在健保的總額裡面好到預算的時候我們會再來填好這個要先說清楚 |
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好 謝謝 |
| IVOD_ID |
157285 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157285 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-21 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-26-10 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-21T10:05:19+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-21T10:18:33+08:00 |
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