| IVOD_ID |
15722 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/15722 |
| 日期 |
2024-03-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-36-6 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
6 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第6次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-03-13T08:31:31+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-03-13T11:54:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
03:22:29 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/8d241381c4f8c7fcd26331c83256afb8d8b52470c073da943be8d109af184be4f5b91a0d62699bf55ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-03-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第6次全體委員會議（事由：邀請考試院秘書長、考選部部長、銓敘部部長及公務人員保障暨培訓委員會主任委員列席報告業務概況及立法計畫，並備質詢。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:31:31 - 11:54:00 |
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報告委員會出席委員12人以足法定人數請主席宣布開會現在開會進行報告事項宣讀上次會議事錄 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第5次全體委員會議議事錄實現中華民國113年3月11日星期一上午9時至11時39分地點本院紅樓302會議室出席委員黃委員郭昌等12人列席委員鄭委員天才等7人列席官員監察院秘書長李俊逸等人主席中召集委員嘉賓 |
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請問各位對於上次會議事錄有錯誤或遺漏沒有的話我們就議事錄確定 |
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好接下來介紹介紹到場委員首先是黃總召國常委員以及羅委員志強歡迎您好那接下來呢我們來介紹應邀列席官員首先介紹考試院劉建新秘書長歡迎您考選處嚴惠玲處長權敘處白家惠檢任秘書 |
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保訓重規處公奎毅處長資訊處徐嘉玲處長秘書處吳瑞蘭處長人事室卞雅珍主任來接到考選部許書祥部長以及常務次長劉約蘭劉次長 |
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綜合規劃司．方秀雀司長高樸考試司．陳婉華司長特種考試司．張信玉司長專技考試司．黃慶章司長測驗發展司．林妙金司長數位國考及資訊管理司．陳建華司長 |
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秘書處江中正處長人事室黃慧琴主任接下來介紹權序部周志宏處長接下來法規司雷辰司長全審司王永大司長特審司吳立雲司長退府司劉永慧司長 |
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兼理師李鴻齡司長人事管理師彭國華司長資訊副王富忠處長接下來介紹公務人員退休撫恤基金管理局陳明賢局長還有業務組李韻珍組長財務組呂明珠組長 |
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封控集合組．陳明啟副組長．儲經管理組．林秋敏組長接下來介紹公務人員保障暨培訓委員會首先介紹．主任委員兼國家文官學院院長．郝培之主任委員保障處．黃秀琴處長地方公務人員保障處．李俊生處長 |
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培訓發展處．童嘉維副處長．培訓評鑑處．陶繼真處長．秘書士．楊惠娟主任．另外補充介紹國家文觀學院．梁元本副院長．以及研究發展組．陳之瑜組長 |
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好 那麼本次議程有邀請到考試院的秘書長、考選部部長、銓敘部部長及公務人員保障暨培訓委員會主任委員列席報告我們的業務概況及立法計畫．並備質詢那麼現在進行報告那麼由於考試院他們除了報告立法計畫之外 |
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委員會主任委員會主任委員 |
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2017.06 |
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總召集委員、各位委員、各位先進大家早安首先請代表考試院第13屆考試院的團隊向貴院表達由衷的感謝本屆考試院四年的任期已經邁入最後半年的階段即將在今年8月底來結束承蒙貴院對於各項考試院的業務跟法案的支持讓我們在過去三年半的時間完成了多項法案的編修包括我們院部的組織法、公務員服務法、保障法、典事法 |
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委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會 |
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考試及格證書電子化的政策也已經順利上路超過一年我們致力於讓國家考試政策更加符合現代社會的趨勢也更加符合新世代學習跟工作的模式這些作為未來都會繼續的來進行 |
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今天感謝司法法制委員會安排了本院來報告業務概況及立法計畫過去這段時間,我們為了降低國考對年輕人投身公職的負擔及障礙持續地推動了公務人員考試檢科以及科目的調整也配合用人機關的需求,新增了一些專業類科或是偵辦考試或是調整考試規則,也開辦了離島特考 |
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此外各項權序和基金管理、保障、訓練等業務本院都不斷地在精進跟強化包含了營造友善育兒職場、調高執行職務、意外傷亡的慰問金依照實務的需求來彈性化各機關、中央地方各機關組織的編制、調升了月退休金給予的金額 |
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也建置了個人專戶制自主投資平台強化培訓業務的國際化以及落實數位治理等等．﹐詳細的內容也請各位委員參見考試院書面資料的說明以及我們二部議會的報告有關考試院本年度的立法計畫基於多數的有實效性的法案 |
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已經由貴院在第10屆完成了三讀並且實施因此本會目前並沒有待審法案至於少數屆期不續審的案件本院將會參採各屆的意見重新檢視、討論再送請貴院來審議考試院會持續精進各項考選保訓的制度讓國家文官制度更貼近現代政府的需求切合國家發展的方向各項業務還請各位委員能夠給予支持並且不吝指教謝謝 |
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好 接下來謝謝劉秘書長 接下來有請考選部許部長報告 |
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主席、各位委員、女士、先生、大家早感謝大院委員歷年來對考選部的支持本部在去年總計辦理22項國家考試經順利來舉辦完成除了連度例行的考試工作外為了因應少子化以及事不能 |
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人才競爭多面向的一個考驗本部也在112年以強化人才招募加速推動國考數位轉型及測驗方式的一個精進發展為組織變革的三大政策目標也完成了組織法及相關法制的修正並就三項政策目標分別也認定的專案計畫正在爭取 |
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經會補助及逐年逐步來推展落實各項細部的一個方案那第二為使公務人員的考試逐步朝向專業資能核心化、擇材條件友善化的目標來邁進也調整簡略高普考試、地方特考及原住民特考等都項考試的專業科目數及內涵以及整併地方特考無等考試和已出等考試來提升政府用人起宅的效益 |
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第3為了協助解決離島政府常年用人困境本部跟離島三縣及人事主管機關也多次召開會議來審慎規劃徵社離島特考並議定至今年開始舉行今年度施政重點除了例行性舉行20項考試 |
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之外也要再持續來推動以下的工作重點包括第一就是根據來推動國考數位轉型逐步擴增應試座位數並擴大電腦化測驗的一個適用範圍那今年也增加第一次跟第三次的護理師考試跟營養師考試類科採行電腦化測驗那也會積極來推動公務人員考試採用電腦化的測驗方式 |
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逐步落實精進國家考試測驗技術發展及試題品質計畫執行,朝向測驗方法多元化、試題品質優質化、命題管道擴大化、數位資源精進化四大目標,來增進人才考用效能。擴大推動教考用、協力為國籍才能以豐富多元管道提升協資報考公職意願。 |
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也積極在篆領規劃完成新世代的考選策略白皮書竟能引領未來人才考選發展經過更為完善的考選機制以上報告敬請各位委員繼續給予支持指教讓考選業務更真完善其他書面資料請各位委員參議謝謝好 謝謝許部長接下來有請銓敘部周部長報告 |
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主席、各位委員、各位女士先生首先感謝各位委員歷來對全序部各項法案的支持跟協助緊究本部以及所屬公務人員退休輔助基金管理局的當前重要業務概況以及未來工作重點簡單書面報告如書面請參考接下來就口頭重點說明如下 |
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第一部分就當前業務概況在研修人事法制方面包括我們依據11年宪判制第9號及考試院政策來研修公務人考機法對考機制度做結構性的調整目前正在遵循各界意見中第二研修公務人內用法第6條 |
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來配合職務列等表跟組織法律適用的關係做規定並同職務列等表修正草案目前已經含成考試院審議中。第三,修正身簽法適應細則來落實公積原則來增訂各主管院訂定的深認評分標準表中 |
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考試學歷及年資等三項配分比例不遇12%為原則已經考試院修正發布第4研修公務人員加擠給予辦法修正檢認非主管人員比照主管職務和給職務加擠的規定也已經會同行政院會嫌發布 |
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第五是研修公共政務人員的退休撫恤法制徵定公務人員執行艱困任務因公撫恤是未成年子女在岸月加發撫恤金這也已經呈報考試院審議中那總計本部從12年9月到本年2月29日為止總共發布重要的規章有25萬 |
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本年計畫研修的法規總共有16案另外,配合政府組織改造,行政院最後的47項組織法規都經過總統公布施行涉及到這些機關所屬的組織法規預計共166項,也正在審慎研議中 |
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另外,辦理公務人員或移族定期退輔給予金額調整方案,我們在1月23日召開評估小組會議以後,獲自結論已調整4%,在3月8日會同行政院合訂。另外,設立個人專戶,到本年1月底為止,已有8,800多人參與,撥繳基金約4億9千多萬。 |
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那未來的工作重點包括正在研修公務人員奉集法相關規定還有要研定新的契約人員人事條例以及研定聘任人員人事條例研修人事管理條例以及公務人員請假規則那持續辦理相關主改法案的這個 |
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演繹的主編列等這些相關的案件另外也在辦理公交人保險年金給付金額調整的部分正在辦理中另外要修訂這個早期支領一次退休金生活困難退休公務人員發給年節照顧金的作業要點希望能夠明定定期檢討機制以上是重點簡單報告謝謝請各位委員指教 |
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謝謝周部長的報告看來選舉部要相關的法規要修整的很多接下來有請保訓會郝主任委員報告主席各位委員各位女士先生今天非常的榮幸能夠奉邀來列席貴委員會來向各位委員來報告本會的業務概況那麼也要非常感謝大院的各位委員的支持跟指教使得我們本會的各項業務順利的一個推展 |
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本會及所屬國家文官學院相關工作推動的重點作檢要報告首先在重要業務推薦的情況在保障業務的部分我們仍然持續地投訴來審議保障事件貫徹審議決定的效力並且積極推動保障業務資訊化的服務 |
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另外,我們也定期來檢視各個機關、學校辦理公務人員應供射送輔助的情形。另外,我們也辦理了專案委託的研究,希望來建構友善的職場環境。而在培訓業務的部分,為了配合國家的重要政策,包含了建構安心懷孕、 |
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有善生養環境的一個重要政策我們來修正的各項一個訓練的辦法而在課程的部分我們也積極的來鏈結當前國家的重要政策來提升相關的數位治理的一個素養那麼在英語的部分我們也積極來實施英語的一個課程而在健身檢訓練我們也首度導入了電腦的一個作答精進成績平衡的方式而在高階文官培訓的部分我們來積極精進高階文官培訓非要的方案 |
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特別強化了跨域數位治理、國際移動力以及拓展宏觀的國際視野來培育高階的治理人才而在教材的部分我們積極來發展電子書來推動綠色學習的一個新里程我們包含陸續研編了公文撰作解析的電子書以及公務使用英語系列的教材的電子書另外我們也持續精進辦理英語相關的課程 |
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提升文官的國際競爭力辦理了公務英語力UP訓練的系列課程那麼同時我們國家文官學院相關的英語培訓的一個內容我們也積極參與美國的國際最重要的國際培訓機關的比賽我們也會在2023年獲得了金牌的獎項 |
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在未來的工作重點,我們仍然會持續精進考試錄取人員的訓練來提升考試錄取訓練的成效,同時會落實走動管理機制來持續關懷身障特考的受訓人員,並且創新來規劃高階文官的發展性訓練,以及來調整共通核心職能架構,以及因應人工智慧的發展來培育數位人才。 |
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打造優質課程、賦予雙語文官並撥劃更高的中高階文官海外研習藍圖 |
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好 謝謝好主任委員目前機關代表報告完畢相關書面報告內容請各位參閱並列入公報現在開始進行詢答本會委員詢答時間為8分鐘必要時得延長2分鐘非本會委員詢答時間為5分鐘並不再延長上午10點30分截止發言登記請登記第一位黃總召國昌發言 |
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謝謝主席,是不是可以麻煩有請劉秘書長好,有請劉秘書長周部長以及周部長以及郝主任委員郝主任委員,請三位就發言 |
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秘書長、部長、主委三位其實都是我多年的好友以前見面都要稱學長、學姐還有老師不過我們今天在不同的位置上雖然屬於不同的黨派我們一起為國家做事情改革不能期待一觸可擊但更糟糕的是遠地踏步秘書長你認不認同 |
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你還記不記得你最近看到這句話是什麼時候這句話是我寫的你們在2022年的時候去日本考察回來的報告我全部都拜讀完了我拜讀完了那個出國考察報告以後我看到這句話心裡感觸非常的深我這樣子說最近 |
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我問了人事總署的人事長針對有關於消防弟兄他們安全防護的問題2018年他在這個會議是承諾我做的事他沒做到他那天很有擔當的道歉但事後 |
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蔡總統6年以前的承諾我那天開完會議了以後我聽到行政院副院長鄭文燦說沒有跳票的問題去年已經開始演繹了 |
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我聽了心非常的痛去年為什麼開始演繹不是因為6年前的近鵬大火是因為去年又有消防弟兄走了屏東我們又走了消防弟兄又開始演繹了過了6年以後原地踏步繼續持續的在演繹當中 |
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有很多消防弟兄看到上一次質詢完鄭文燦的回憶非常的憤怒發訊息給我說10月12號他們被騙了被摸頭了答應了他沒有上凱道結果做完了新聞以後 |
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消防人員權益促進會再度發函給行政院要求召開跨部會甚至跨院的會議11月3號通知發出去到現在已讀不回 |
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我想這個辦法包括秘書長包括部長包括好處委都知道這絕對不是保訓會一個部會的責任我拜讀了在立法院裡面好幾次 |
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保訓會不管是前任的主委還是現任的好主委在討論到這個辦法的時候你們所展現出來的立場、態度甚至有一些無奈我在書面報告當中我全部都看到了但我要跟大家交換一個心得我們在做這些事情的時候 |
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我們一定要站在最基層的消防弟兄的立場去想這件事情他們看到的是一個又一個的弟兄走掉秘書長你知不知道10年了走了幾個消防弟兄我不清楚43位平均每一年我們要走4位我們要走4位站在他們的立場是大家都在踢皮球 |
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他們看到的結果他們看到的結果是經過了這幾年這個安慰辦法完全沒有修正我現在具體的請教 |
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安慰辦法到現在從他們的角度上面來看什麼都沒有修喔我請教一下好主委你們最近一次召開修安慰辦法的會議是什麼時候 |
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我們事實上從去年的10月、12月一直到今年沒錯!對!對!對!好主委妳講到重點了去年10月去年10月2號的時候為什麼呂副主委建德要召開這個會議您知道嗎?我當然知道就是希望能夠積極來修改相關的安慰辦法在去年10月2號之前 |
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應該說更早我們在108年109年110年110年我們都有召開香港好來我把序列全部整理出來了您剛所講的2019年的時候 |
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那個時候的主委有提辦法來對他為什麼提因為那時候發生了桃園進棚的悲劇提了辦法以後提下來不斷的演繹我看到最後一次是2021年3月25號的時候人總把他們版本的安慰辦法提供了給保訓會因為保訓會2019年的辦法 |
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跟後來你們所提出來的辦法兩份辦法我拜讀了你們整個內容的充實是在2021年人種提供了以後你們在那個條文的基礎上繼續去改但是我要給大家看的是什麼從2021年的3月到2023年的10月整整兩年半的時間 |
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我剛剛請教好主委說10月2號為什麼發那個會議通知我當然知道那個會議的主題是安慰辦法10月的會議是9月的大火燒出來的我這樣說應該公平吧如果沒有9月的那一場大火或許根本不會有10月的這場會議 |
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應該委員是說我們在過去都已經在積極要研擬這個安慰辦法的然後結果積極的研擬到今天改了沒有提到考試院也送到這個立法院來但是因為還有一些意見沒辦法整合所以這個就是我剛剛跟大家要交換的意見的地方我們永遠要站在最基層的立場去講每一個部會都可以講我們要研議我們要徵詢意見 |
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但他們看到的是什麼6年過去了這個辦法原地踏步對但是原地踏步是因為後來覺得在對於消防人員他的職安的部分最終極的最專業的保障如果能夠納入在消防法裡面來做更完整的一個規劃其實是對消防人員的兄弟的一個權益更高的一個保障您最近跟消處會的朋友坐下來談是什麼時候 |
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我們在10月、11月、12月跟到今年的1月我們都有跟消促會的朋友10月跟12月我們有邀請消促會的朋友還有警察公務員12月的那個會我也可以報告一下本來消防署是發函是發函22號開會結果聽到他們21號要去賴清德競選總部抗議了以後馬上發會議通知改成20號 |
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所有的歷程對所有的歷程我全部所有的歷程我全部都掌握了好您最近一次好沒有沒有沒有您最近一次跟他們開會他們希望修改的是什麼 |
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其實他們的態度有一些不一樣 最早是希望安慰辦法後來希望回歸治安法後來希望修保障法有些變化他們的態度為什麼會變他們一開始的確希望要修安慰辦法你如果是消防員等了6年原地踏步你還願意繼續等下去嗎 |
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安慰辦法裡面因為他們要求要放入罰則那因為有罰則安慰辦法是法規命令的層級他必須要修保障法這個我都了解啦這個我都了解啊現在我的問題是我們是經過了6年以後是經過了6年以後我們研議了6年以後才知道原來安慰辦法沒有辦法解決問題嗎我現在直接的請教你齁因為我跟這些消防弟兄 |
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我不是出了事啊才去問他們的意見從2018年開始我參加過他們非常多的活動經常在跟他們保持聯繫因為我覺得這些年輕人我很敬佩他們為了我們大家在第一線的火場射聲犯難結果走了這麼多弟兄我們所有相關的部會大家還在踢皮球原地踏步他們最希望的 |
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是放到職安法理由很簡單規範最完整但對於規範到職安法的這一個看法可能從勞動部的觀點他們有不一樣的看法他們第二順位 |
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是公務人員保障法要修法到最後不行的不行才會打算放到消防法我把順位跟主委妳說明一下現在我要問的事情就是他們現在在這三個機關之間 |
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大家都在踢皮球大家都在踢皮球為什麼不是踢皮球我只問我只問一件事情主委您站在您站在您的立場你可能覺得不是踢皮球我再給您一個建議去跟這些消防弟兄談一談從他們的觀點他們會不會覺得是踢皮球我再次的強調今天這件事情我沒有說一定是保訓會的錯 |
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我也沒有說一定是勞動部的錯我也沒有說一定是消防署的錯但是我希望今天站在這邊讓這一些發出了開會通知希望行政院召集跨部會的會議因為他們已經不知道怎麼辦了他們去找人種他們去找消防署他們去找勞動部大家給的答案 |
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從他們的角度來講就是踢皮球從去年10月、12月我們都有召開跨院的協商會議也由行政院來主導因為這確實要涉及到他們參加過跨院的協商會議只有哪一場只有10月12號那一場嘛那另外警政署後來的相關會還有本會的相關會他們都有參與 |
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他們11月3號的時候發了通知希望行政院召開跨院的會議來解決他們的問題我現在跟主委講的是以讀不回以讀不回現在針對那些修法的順序時間到了我只問最後一個最關鍵的問題 |
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現在消防組已經預計在3月下旬就會推出消防法的修法草案我最後我最後就問一個問題是如果他們希望放到現在 |
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有關於勞動部他們的職安相關的保護犯法這個第一數位的選擇是不可得的話是不可得的話那第二個部分他們如果希望透過來強化公務人員保障法裡面對於他們的保障考試院的立場是什麼 |
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我最後只講兩個問題為什麼我提到公務人員保障法 |
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因為你去看安慰辦法那個安慰辦法裡面要保護的不是只有警消喔對 因為他是全部的公務人員對 是全體的公務人員全體的公務人員現在的安慰辦法以今天的角度來講我們先把警消放在外面先把警消放在外面從提供給全體公務人員 |
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必要的安全防護的保障不管是公務人員保障法的授權規定夠不夠明確還是現在的安危辦法裡面它的規範夠不夠周全主委你認為現在的安危辦法即使把警消排除在外面有沒有修正的必要當然有修正必要 |
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當然有修正的必要即使把警校排除在外面也有修正的必要然而監督檢查跟克責機制並且有高風險職務的專家然而到現在都還沒有修嗎我們已經有草案但是因為現在還在協調第二個部分你們的草案的關鍵是不是公務人員保障法對要有更明確的授權規定嗎如果要有罰則的話 |
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在我現在從今天考試院所提出來的立法計畫有配合安慰法修正的公務人員保障法嗎? |
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因為我們還在等待消防法的一個立法的一個程序消防法你又提到警消的部分剛我已經跟你講問題很具體喔我們後續會有辦法做切割跟視訊的一個好那所以我最後只問一個問題這件事情考試院什麼時候可以做決定 |
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我們就等消防法能夠順利立法完成之後我們就會啟動後續的修法的程序我這樣說好了啦主要是先針對安慰辦法就有關於警消的部分你們現在如果的立法計畫是要給消防法、消防署去做的話 |
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那你剛也說了回來本來的安慰辦法他本來就有什麼本來就有修正的必要嘛現在的公務人員保障法你如果要讓安慰辦法修得更好你可能連動的公務人員保障法要一起修正是 |
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我的看法沒有錯嘛那如果是這個樣子的話這一任的考試委員到今年8月31號就卸任了嘛到今年8月31號卸任了嘛我期待啦我期待我們一起努力在這個會期在他們離開以前 |
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把應該給公務人員不管是好的保障法還是好的安慰辦法我們一起努力把它修正完好不好可以好 謝謝謝謝黃總召也謝謝三位秘書長跟院長和部長和那個主委 |
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我想打火的弟兄姊妹為公共安全付出我們都肯定也希望我們各院共同努力不管是消防法、保障法還是安慰辦法我們儘速來促成給包括公務員在內的消防弟兄姊妹更多的保障謝謝黃委員接下來有請沈委員發會質詢 |
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主席我們先有請這個全序部周部長有請周部長周部長好我想這個我們現在從這個去年的1月開始我們公布的這個公務人員個人專戶退休 |
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這個之前撫恤辦法通過之後我們這個出任公務人員的部分我們從去年開始就採取新制了嘛對不對那到目前為止我想這個新制當然幾個重點啦當然就是他的這個確定提撥制啦個人帳戶啦自主投資平台等等這些部分到目前為止這個專務的規模這從 |
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去年7月開始,到現在這個專戶的人數它的規模?到目前為止的人數大概有8800多人目前的規模大概到訓練體是4億多,當然這一個月有在增加大概多少?去年底是4億多,目前是6億了,1、2月就6億了 |
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那這個我看你們的這個所規劃的時程啦齁這個從去年1月1號開始實施那這個公布啦齁去年7月1號開始實施啦齁7月1號開始實施之後我們事實上就有很多的配套必須要進行了嘛對不對這個包括這個應該他的這個收繳服務的金融機構啦他的這個這個投資顧問的專案機構 |
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還有它的這個自主投資平台的建構等等這些問題的進度是不是能夠說明一下我們現在目前這個收繳服務的金融機構我們那個信託銀行是由中國信託銀行來辦理這個是公開徵求的嗎對是公開徵求的對不對那對然後投資顧問的顧問是野生投信那自主投資平台是由中國信託銀行來辦理現在投資目前的這個自主投資平台由中國信託來辦理 |
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簽約了嗎?都簽約了。自主投資平台的部分簽約了嗎?都簽約了。簽約了齁?正在規劃中。正在規劃中齁。它的建制的時程,我們預計是要在明年的1月1號要正式上路嘛對不對?是。那現在目前建制的時程呢?現在已經3月了。 |
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這個建制的時程是怎麼樣目前在什麼樣的階段積極辦理中當然是積極辦理中啊對啊基本上那個平台我們希望下半年可以開始測試下半年要開始測試是不是現在已經3月了下半年要開始測試事實上這個平台的測試它有很多的這個部分包括這個它的這個 |
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這部分我們都應該要在下半年就開始進行測試了這是我們比較關心的部分那這個但是這個這個我目前我看到我們的這依照我們的這個公務人員個人專務 |
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自的退俯除金投資選擇實施辦法這是你們自己制定的實施辦法裡面的第二條的第二款上面有說這個我們應該要訂定自主投資及代為投資運用的實施計畫請問實施計畫制定了沒有 |
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目前在研擬 那我們會提到那個監理會這個你制定出來之後你還要報公務人員退府儲金監理會還要報他審議通過才可以實施實施之後他還必須要有一些宣導的時期所以你到目前為止制定完成了沒有 |
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還沒 這個實施計畫還要 什麼時候要完成我們 這法定的 這不是法定 這你們自己 你們自己制定的也是大概年中的時候啦 配合那一個 年中中間的就是配合我們 年中的測試 配合這個測試之前你有沒有給一個具體的時間 我們總是定個目標 |
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我想7月之前應該可以完成7月之前完成完成是你們出爐還是送審議委還是送監理會通過監理會通過在7月之前通過對好這個部分齁 |
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我想這個在下半年測試之前我是覺得這是你們自己制定的啦制定要做這個實施計畫而且要報這個退府除金的監理會要報這個監理會來審議啦所以這個部分我希望說你們能夠掌握時間是 |
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再來就是這個其實對這些初任公務人員的人來講這個是一個新的制度而且這個制度他需要很多的這個宣導的過程包括未來你們也提到說每年至少要一次投資組合投資標的組合的轉換作業這些轉換作業到底要怎麼做 |
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這些都需要很多的宣導啦但是我看到你們目前的宣導作為其實真的是有點弱啦齁這個我看到的就是你們在網站上面有這個退府局的網站上面有一個宣導有兩支宣導短片兩支宣導短片他的我看點閱率大概1000人左右但是他訂閱人是6個人啦齁6個人這樣的宣導的 |
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接下來我們請這個考選部考選部徐部長新徐部長 |
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許副長,我看我們自己考選部的業務概況報告也有檢討這幾年我們的公務人員的報考報考數一路下滑到現在手上有的統計資料到111年的時候是報考剩下21萬人倒考的人更少有報名但是真的倒考的才掉到13萬人 |
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這些齁這個你們當然我看到你們的檢討啦齁這個全球情勢變遷啦人工智慧時代啦少子化啦這個好像這個這個問題這個問題是好像不是你們的問題這個是全世界的問題啦齁但是我們總是要有所因應嘛有所因應的部分我看到你們說要推動公務員的招募措施裡面 |
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我比較有興趣我看到你們這個113年考選業務概況報告第4頁到第7頁你們有說擴大推動公務人員招考的措施這你們有第一個你們說要幹什麼呢第一個要宣導第二個要這個透過藝文走廊第三個要考選集粹要座談召開座談這些都是 |
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這些都是說實在事實在事的內容我不曉得說你這想要達到什麼樣的目的但是我特別注意裡面有一個比較特別的你們提到說你們要舉辦預備文官團離島文官領航體驗營你們認為這個是增加這個報考人數的一個重大的新的措施請問你們到目前為止辦了幾屆 |
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兩次一次跟基隆市政府一次跟連江縣政府這個參加的人數有多少31位那目前已經有5位考上公務員兩個提示加起來31位了那你們的這個招募的對象大概就是在學的學生了是不是在學的學生 |
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| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
我看你們的這個業務報告裡面有提到有關這個這個精進措施推動文官團你們有進程計畫有中程計畫有遠程計畫對不對是中程計畫從什麼時候開始我講我們現在正在規劃我們希望有一個完整的一個方案這個部長你們你們這個這個 |
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| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
111年11月3號你們的這個重要業務報告裡面提到了你們的進程計畫是2021年到2024年終成計畫是2025年到2028年明年就要進入終成計畫了你們到目前為止辦兩次參加31人 |
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我想我們參考新加坡事實上從高中跟大學新加坡政府就投入大量的資源在培育公務人才英國也有快速升遷的管道但是我們事實上是沒有這樣的機制所以我們希望某種程度來規劃這樣的一個機制 |
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需要的就是這個啦部長我今天要跟你溝通就是這個你這辦這個預備文官團你如果沒有相關的機制相關的誘因讓他跟未來這個文官體制的職場的相關的銜接跟誘因你這個就跟參加戰鬥營參加暑假的營隊 |
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但是部長但是 |
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| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會 |
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| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
接下來有請羅委員至強質詢 |
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| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
4516.619 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
主席有請劉秘書長、許部長、周部長好有請秘書長兩位部長我想先請教許部長根據那個考試院質疑統計公務人員報考人數 |
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可以用報諜來看啦2012年大概是79.5萬人到2022年只剩下30多萬人10年的減幅達到56%那這背後的原因是什麼考試院有沒有研析過 |
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| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
跟委員報告當然有一部分是少子化的因素還有相關的一些誘因可能有減少外面的工作競爭的機會也多所以誰會來成為公務員事實上以前台大有一位博士生也做過研究一個就是能力、動機還有機會 |
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我歸納三點,您剛剛講的嘛第一個就是說,基本上這個待遇問題嘛第二個就是少子化問題嘛第三個是外部的競爭問題嘛那我想要請教您齁那您都知道待遇,你剛剛也是講其中問題之一,對不對那我想請教您待遇出了什麼問題 |
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我先講平均總體待遇,不講特別的領域 |
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這個我們近30年軍公教的調薪的幅度民國80年是13%、83年8%、85年5%、90年3%、94年3%、100年3%民國107年3%、民國111年4%、113年4%所以從民國80年到現在開始就是整體漲幅大概41個百分點 |
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那你知道我們近30年的勞工調薪的幅度從這個80年8月1號發布基本工資11040元到現在的條幅大概多少 |
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到現在30年我跟您講大概22度上漲基本工資調漲近2.5倍那時薪上漲大概是將近3.6倍所以一個是41%一個漲了2.5倍一個漲了3.6倍這是您剛剛提到的事實上待遇的一個面向它其實不只待遇也包括說外部工作競爭機會 |
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我也跟這個部長說我自己也是公務員出身我在以前考過高考那個時候是當時叫搶破頭那原因是當然一個很大的原因就是說覺得工作有保障 |
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所以我們現在有提到之前我們也提到就是說是不是能夠考量到否則像公務員現在的月薪大概是三萬三千八百五十元那勞工基本工資大概是兩萬七千四百七十元雖然起薪當然還是高過於這個勞工底薪剛剛你也講到很多外部因素嘛包括整體福利待遇升遷限制薪資天花板 |
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4714.343 |
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退休後的年金改革,退休保障受影響 |
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4729.947 |
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是不是能夠盡量努力的促成跟人事總書在質詢也無言過就是說盡量讓所謂的調薪能夠跟隨我們的物價然後能夠不要再是所謂的那種隨性施捨式的調薪那應該是要有一個調薪的機制不要說每次都是要看今天政府高興調薪不高興調薪那每次調薪都要吵架一次你認不認同說基本上我們應該讓這個薪資調整法制化這件事情 |
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基本上這些方面我想政府有在努力那我想也認同那去年事實上像高考三級去年出任的是大概四萬九那今年已經調到五萬三所以基本上我覺得不是所謂的那個調一次性或集性式的要一個根據嘛那這樣也能夠服社會大眾嘛如果是按照物價調整你有一個 |
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調整的一個機制或是一個公式那就不用說今天高興調就調不高興調就不調所以謝謝剛剛部長認同但是其實部長我跟你講就我自己曾經當過公務員的那個經驗我覺得現在公務員報考人數幾乎是超過腰斬除了說薪資待遇之外我覺得工作尊嚴也是很重要的對不對 |
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4828.614 |
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現在年輕人比較重視工作跟生活的一個橫頻工作尊嚴大概包括在職場上的專業受不受重視也包括說今天升遷那個前途看不看得到嘛兩項嘛 對不對好那我就想請教您我看到一篇那個風傳媒的風評 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].start |
4830.799 |
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4840.047 |
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他評論說我們的公務員為什麼現在就沒有那麼的熱門他就說 頑纏文官 綠肥貓養好養滿你有聽過這樣的評論嗎我考一個時尚語啦 你知道現在年輕人流行一句話叫做富貴要人幫 辦卡辦這張 你知道辦哪一張卡嗎 |
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4856.318 |
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4872.918 |
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我想我們當國家考試來選拔人才都是公正公平的我知道 你們選拔是公正公平我要跟你講是前途跟尊嚴辦卡辦這張富貴要人幫辦卡辦這張你知道辦哪一張卡嗎不知道不告訴你就民進黨黨政了 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].start |
4874.56 |
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4903.5 |
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為什麼呢事實上在蔡英文總統第一任期她就非常著急把機要任用的政治幕僚大舉進入政府機關修改了中央行政機關組織基準法擴大三級機關的首長政務任用範圍然後修改駐外外交領事人員任用條例讓非職業外交官的文官得以擔任駐外的比例放寬又修改駐外機構組織通則徵定公使跟副代表則以政務 |
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4904.241 |
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4907.224 |
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我只要想請教你一件事情你知道這對年輕人的影響是什麼嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[136].start |
4920.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[136].end |
4943.056 |
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我們應考這個裡面沒有這個所謂黨政這個當然你沒有啊可是就是因為你沒有啊所以我發現我不要用今天考試的方式我可能今天只要加入民進黨我得到上面上司的陳鋒的賞賜我就可以跳過你今天辛辛苦苦寒窗十年然後努力苦讀然後 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].start |
4943.937 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].end |
4967.532 |
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拼績效 慢慢拼升遷然後上到上面去因為上面的你的政務任用增加你的文官任用就減少啊不是嗎所以我就講第一個為什麼今天跟你講說薪資待遇當然是個問題可是事實上現在公務人員的尊嚴公務人員的前途都受到很大的影響我想要引用一句話就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].start |
4969.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].end |
4981.594 |
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我們的民進黨的前副總統呂秀蓮她就曾經說過一句話她徹底反對擴大官派跟政務官的比例為什麼因為她認為這個會破壞我們 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].start |
4984.655 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].end |
4999.901 |
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臺灣長久以來的文官體制我想請問部長你認不認同我們臺灣不管是經濟奇蹟或是我們所謂內政的一些親民跟我們長年穩定的文官體制有很大的關係 |
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5001.263 |
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5025.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
有沒有很大的關係我們關係當然是國家社會發展因為效忠國家政府嘛他不隨政黨進退嘛所以當他獲得保障之後他也知道說今天我能夠靠我努力服務能夠逐步深陷於有一天能夠到所謂的那個我們叫公務人員的頂峰的時候那我覺得前途開拓的話你覺得大家會不會願意更有意願來報考公務員呢 |
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5028.231 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
5032.835 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
所以我們都以公正公平公開的方式來滿足各用人機關的需求 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].start |
5047.259 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].end |
5067.518 |
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我今天要跟你講你今天考試院你作為所謂的國家公務人員招考的主管機關你總要也了解原因對策嘛 對不對所以我這邊我也直接跟各位來報告一下我要來好好幫助文官啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].start |
5068.659 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].end |
5094.248 |
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幫助文官就是要恢復我們的文官體制恢復文官的尊嚴所以過去那些錯誤的擴大的政務任用的那種方式我覺得要重盤檢討啦所以換言之今天如果一旦文官他士氣低落文官覺得今天專業不受到重視過去太多例子了政務任用的一些這幾年的一些狀況我舉個例子嘛 |
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5094.588 |
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5120.051 |
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最經典的就是當然這不是文官啦這是政務任用的我們促轉會副主委張天青的他竟然以當東廠為秩序很驕傲欸所以你認同像這種行為嗎公務員是不會啦公務員基本上要奉公守法等於專業啦所以在這邊我也跟這個部長說我一定當公務員的後盾特別是公務員的前程跟尊嚴一定要照顧以上謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].start |
5122.415 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
5123.616 |
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好,謝謝羅委員、謝謝秘書長、謝謝兩位部長好,接下來我們請鍾嘉賓、鍾委員上台質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].start |
5147.814 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].end |
5154.462 |
| transcript.whisperx[146].text |
主席、在黨委員先進、列席的政府監事長、官員、會長、工作夥伴、媒體記者、女士先生有請劉秘書長及許部長請劉秘書長、許部長上台備選 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].start |
5163.769 |
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5191.831 |
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秘書長好 部長好其實我要問的問題其實剛剛羅委員有稍微點到有一些救教秘書長跟部長說鐵飯碗不香了這幾年公務人員的報考人數這10年大減了一半56%而報考率地方特考也只有六成而已那麼另外我們的很多類科入取不足額53個類科沒有人來入取大部分都在三等到四等的工程類職缺 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].start |
5194.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
5195.611 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
請問秘書長或部長你怎麼看待這些現象 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].start |
5224.232 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
5239.188 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].text |
公務員報告,補充一個資訊,大家都會習慣把民國99年到101年的公務員報考的人數來跟現在做一個對照,不過我要強調那個是一個近20年來的高峰期,因為當時的經濟環境,那時候可能外面的經濟比較 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].start |
5244.933 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
5247.095 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].text |
某些執域有非常嚴重的落差問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].start |
5273.749 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].end |
5290.792 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
很好部長也同意嗎同意那請問我們公務人員鳳級是哪個部管的鳳級是全序部全序部來另外也跟任總的那個鳳點齊在那請周部長一起來這個不好意思那請考試院部長請回好那麼周部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].start |
5292.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
5292.771 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
法定人數不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].start |
5309.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
5333.511 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
有齁 請對著麥克風齁其實我小時候我們家住的是宿舍國營事業配給的宿舍吃的是母親教師的糧票我叫小口 母親叫大口那糧票是什麼呢就是我們的儲糧推陳出新的時候就拿糧票去換那因為不好吃後來很多人反應就該稅改發代金這段歷史部長也了解吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].start |
5334.465 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
5362.816 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
對 過去確實是那宿舍後來公務員也不配給宿舍了因為人數多也蓋不出來大家都自己外面買房子所以改成了貸金券跟現金補貼變成了津貼加擠 是不是這樣對 後來在診病所以公務人員的加擠其實早期有實務的加擠後來都改成用現金加擠那請問如果用這個方式來看如果有住的地方來滿足公務員員的居住需求你認為類似這樣的實務加擠有沒有可能提高國考的報考人數或降低基層公務員的離職率 |
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5363.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
5390.741 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
如果對於公務人員待遇如果能夠改善包括這些加擠等等但加擠的部分主要是人總負責因為我們負責那個縫擠的結構我了解所以接下來來那個秘書長長期人力不足的地區部門或偏鄉的公務員有沒有可能現在政府在推社宅有沒有可能幫這些地方來提供以社宅的方式提高給基層公務員或偏鄉公務員這樣一個居住的滿足或舉例來講 |
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5392.322 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
5416.523 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
過去我們很多地方都有什麼教師會館 墾丁的最夯後來墾丁會館誰在住啊 都是觀光客在住 景觀會館平川縣政府把這個教師館改建之後提供給包括牡丹、滿洲還有恆春的國小教師 因為他們流動比較高在那裡觀光地區民宿很貴啊 所以給他們住 你覺得這個有沒有必要 |
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5418.279 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
5446.852 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
可能偏鄉的狀況應該會有一些居住上面的需求啦如果地方政府沒有這個資源去滿足大家的是的包括我們看到在中和社宅他是全台灣第一座給警消的社會住宅讓基層的警消因為警消他們要長時間備勤啊勤一休二啊幾乎呢他們都住在一起互相遭遇你覺得如果國家或政府來提供這樣子有沒有有助於我們公務人員的待遇的提升他的條件的改善 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].start |
5447.455 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
5460.997 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
我想對公務員生活協助越多當然就是誘因越高啦這個我們可以跟行政院來討論是的那但是過去呢也回顧歷史還有宿舍被佔用的情況啦過去我印象當中呢最常佔用的就是學校的宿舍 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].start |
5461.954 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
5462.694 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
委員會主任委員會主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].start |
5491.525 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
5492.446 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
社宅數量在持續擴充當中 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].start |
5509.747 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
5533.336 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
現在年輕人不管當不當公務員都兩個問題一個是居住的問題一個是薪水的問題我們常常說你不能用香蕉來請獅子來上工我們現在公務人員待遇大概是這樣子有公務人員因為技能不同有的是猴子有的是獅子我們的專業家級獅子就比較多猴子給一根香蕉獅子的專業家級給三根香蕉你覺得這樣獅子會來上班嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].start |
5536.343 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
5561.009 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
是 我了解委員的意思這個當然對於專業家居尤其要看他的市場價值對的目前我們公務人員待遇的專業家居的思維是自己往內互比公務人員當中你的專業證照比較高你家居比較多你一般的就一般比較低但是你給獅子三根香蕉給猴子一根香蕉獅子不會來因為外面的花豹是吃肉的所以你們應該把你們的專業家居往 |
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5562.869 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].end |
5589.016 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
業界往外來對比才對部長同不同意?很同意嗎?所以秘書長是不是要思考一下那為什麼呢我要把部長請下來因為專業家級的比較呢你應該跟業界比政府機關、公務員是在跟業界搶人土木技師、建築師外界的薪水很高所以你的專業家級不能拿來跟我們公務員內部來比三根橡膠跟一根橡膠比你們了解嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].start |
5595.082 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].end |
5609.336 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
公務人員奉集法誰由誰主管全序部但是需求是在人種那裡對不對目前你們的奉集不奉集法當中沒有實務加息的這個條件大概都是以現金計算 |
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5610.285 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].end |
5611.385 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].start |
5633.554 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].end |
5656.935 |
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第4條第二款要加入同業薪資的待遇比較因為你們這寫什麼所需資格條件局人力供需市場狀況寫得很籠統第三項地域加擠要包括什麼居住條件第14條也要把各種的加擠的數額跟給予的方式數額就是金額但是給予的方式有多種有實務有代金可不可以放進去 |
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可以 委員的建議我們會讓上好 所以最後秘書長我要拜託因為的確考試院主管的法律要修改的不多有些是卡到院跟院的協調所以我希望你們跟任總研議為入許不足的單位及偏鄉精神公務員提供涉財的可行性先做個評估未來有什麼需要去改修法的再提出來 可以嗎 |
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同意嗎? |
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同意 |
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好 謝謝 那大概多久可以有出來這個是可長可久啦 但是我們希望我們盡量跟人總盡快的來開 給個日期好不好我可以幫忙來轉啦 人總比較會願意接受我們的意見啦好 我們 三個月 兩個月 三個月內來好 三個月 我們也希望加速腳步 謝謝秘書長 謝謝部長 |
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好接下來有請陳委員進行諮詢 |
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好 謝謝主席那請主席是請我們秘書長好 邀請劉秘書長好 秘書長還有我們今天與會列席的各位主管還有我們在場所有的這個我們立法院的同仁大家早安我想先請教一下我們秘書長對於我們這個考積法的這個新制的問題 |
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那因為這最近是我們公務人員熱烈在討論的一個重大的議題因為考機法的新制對於我們現在所推出的一些修正草案對於公務人員的這個制度來講影響很大我不曉得在這方面秘書長有沒有留意到第一就是說我們從現行的條文裡面我們的這個考機是從甲乙丙丁 |
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4個等次現在改成傑出、優良、良好、待改善和太處5個等次那比例上也從過去的默契上甲等75%改成傑出加優良的部分不超過15%其中為了獎勵特別卓越的公務人員所增設的這個 |
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結出等級分數在90分以上並且在修正的條文第9條也明定需達到某些具體的事蹟才能夠這個列為結出而修正的這個條文第10條也訂出在那些情況之下我們條文裡面的那些情況之下這資料上都有那不得列優良以上但 |
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照這個草案內容來看公務人員似乎是沒有條件能夠爭取到優良的等級而在現行的這個制度原本有75%的人可以獲得甲等但是在這個實務的運作上有所謂的這個輪流的說法 |
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那非資深的公務人員恐怕也很難拿到85分以上所以在心智下人人都想擠進這15%但似乎能預期大部分的人都會卡在這個良好的這個等級再次我想請教我們秘書長實施心智真的能夠公平的評鑑出公務人員的工作表現嗎還是會讓認真的公務人員乾脆選擇躺平就等著拿良好就好 |
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秘書長跟委員報告首先我想強調就是我們在修法過程其實都有一個徵詢意見的過程那這一次這個事實上我們現在的階段就是我們全序部在就目前的構想在徵詢各機關的意見並不是公開也沒有還沒有推出這部法律這個草案目前還在全序部也沒有送到院裡面來 |
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那第二個就委員剛剛垂詢的這一個版本的內容的問題我想出發點是因為現在的考機制度的確也有非常非常多的公務同仁在抱怨那剛剛講到說有錢不管怎麼分級大家都會懷疑有沒有輪流的問題現在很多拿一等的同仁每年有25%左右的同仁是拿到一等他的考機獎金只有半個月 |
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事實上非常多人認為這個部分其實也有一些平和上面的可能不公平或他個人不服氣的狀況那我們現在的這個目前草案的構想裡面其實儘管委員剛剛說大多數人都是良好但良好的考機獎金就是一個月就是等於現在的假等而我們把優良跟傑出的獎金再拉高那其實大多數國家的考機其實都會有拔尖的效果就好像一個比賽裡面獎勵千幾名 |
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也不會說大家都無法吻合啦事實上我想就是每個機關主管都會從同仁的表現去做出評價但是我也要強調我們這個草案目前的構想我們也得到很多不同的意見那我也謝謝大家很多公務同仁提供這些不同的意見那我們我想全訓部這邊、州部長這邊都會納入參考 |
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秘書長： |
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我們就這個法我們發現到說這個等級會影響到考級獎金的多寡那我在這邊我想另外再跟我們這個秘書長討論另外一個問題就是我們如果比照現行的條文和修正的條文可以發現說不但這個原本已經公頂的這個資深的公務員他的考級獎金可能一個月的這個獎金沒了 |
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對於得到80到84分原本被評為甲等的公務員在新制也會變成和原本一等的公務員在同個等級所以我是覺得說我們在這一次的修法這算大秀大秀整個那個這個公務員的這個考機是整個都顛覆掉 |
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用新法來要覆蓋那為什麼我們不在現行的法規上去做這個小修就好把不合適宜的把它修掉就好了 |
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公務員現在烤雞的結構它有一個歷史的過程過去烤雞甲等是三分之一但不可以超過二分之一是最早比較早的規定後來歷史演變之後把那個上限二分之一上限拿掉之後甲等的比例就一路上漲漲到10多年前已經到了快90%了 |
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那他就變成他這個考機就變成幾乎大家都是假等的時候他是考機失去他的意義那後來才會有這個聯名兼函的方式拉回來變成百分之七十五做上限五十是原則七十五是上限他有這樣一個過程那就承諾我雙數說現在製作企業蠻多批評的 |
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滿多抱怨的那我們試圖做調整那調整是有一個原則跟前提就是我們希望國家的考機獎金的總支出不要減少但是也不要過度增加所以它就會變成是去調整它內部結構的合理性當然這就會造成一個問題有些人會少拿有些人會多拿 |
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委員會主任委員會主席 |
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委員會主任委員會主席 |
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如果拿一等他是半個月考機獎金但再多加一個月因為他年功奉到頂所以也會有拿一等的同仁他有一個半月但是其他沒有到頂的假等的同仁是一個月這樣的一個現象那為什麼會有這個狀況就是說年功奉到頂這件事情其實比較是跟奉給有關比較跟年資有關但是我們把它跟考機放在一起討論其實概念好像有點混淆這是為什麼這一次在探討的時候也有想說這個部分要做一個檢討不過現在都沒有定案 |
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好,秘書長,在整個這個新法上,其實看起來,它對於這個新的、新進的公務人員,比較沒有一個保障。它裡面,裡面有一個那個條文第10條的部分,有一個 |
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我大概敘述一下單任機關首長、副首長或主管、副主管職務、領導有方、績效優良者他這一個第10條就限縮到新進人員你要拿到這個考機是這個你要拿到考機是傑出的部分是要符合這個條件 |
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委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員 |
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二、大家很擔心分配或集中在高階文官或主管身上的問題就是優等跟傑出優良跟傑出會不會集中在高階人員身上的問題這個我們在修改過程中一定會納入考量希望他就是有一個比較應該是跟同階跟同階比較而不是低階去跟高階比那現在的考機之所以很多人抱怨其實比較多抱怨的同仁就是低階的同仁因為他們覺得自己常常輪移等不太公平 |
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我在此還是建議我們就是秘書長就是針對這個部分我們應該是要去制定一個公平合理而且有效的這個考機才能夠讓我們這個好的人才能夠留在政府機關來服務避免一些年輕人因為看到這個心智他認為說未來他要在這個環境裡面職場要去做競爭會有困難的話他可能卻步不敢進入這個職場這是在跟我們秘書長做簡單報告另外我想請教一個問題 |
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就是針對這個宜蘭設置考場的部分那我們在這個去年度高普考的部分是在宜蘭首次設立這個考場那成效也算是不錯可是在那個初等考的部分還是目前還是沒有考場那針對這個部分我們是不是可以再考慮在宜蘭來增設考場 |
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陳委員我是不是請考選部部長出言包圍明年會增設明年會增設沒問題吧好我希望說能夠增設在宜蘭因為我看那個考場設置在臺北、花蓮、臺東都有就單單漏掉宜蘭因為地方特考地方特考有設那地方特考的五等明年就並無出等考試所以我們這個 |
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出展考試明年宜蘭同樣會設這個考試在宜蘭會設是好一樣地點在宜大嗎還是 |
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這個到時候就看地方政府怎麼安排我希望因為你增設考場的話也會吸引到一些要進入這個職場的人會願意去考試阿不然舟車勞頓每次都要進去考試這個非常的麻煩也會讓一些民眾對於來台北考試或是到其他考場去考試他們會覺得說舟車勞頓的麻煩所以拜託就是不管是高普考還是初等考在宜蘭一定要設 |
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謝謝陳委員、謝民長、謝部長。接下來有請謝委員、龍介質詢。 |
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請秘書長你跟賴總統共事過多久在台南市政府大概將近三年在總統府 |
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總統府不是做主管,我是問你第一次那三年你對他應該蠻了解的所以說個性上應該他也算,他也有一些優點他對於制度 |
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他對制度我認定他還算蠻尊重制度嘛是不是這樣是那你知道就是說剛剛貴院的報告就提到說現在公務人員考的人很少看你的報告這10年來等於降了百分之五十幾五十六 |
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我剛有補充說明那個是用最高峰期來比較當然啊可是也不是只有我們啦日本到韓國也是這樣啊那日本他就提到說要準備提出這個無條件週休三日來鼓勵大家來報考是不是這樣有這樣的一個尤其是 |
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比較專業的,譬如說土木的、建築書、建築的、土木的、電機的,那幾乎差不多你們課差不多我們沒人要來啊還是有啦,只是說他有時候會出現不足而已幾乎零欸,每次都欠了啊那薪資的話年薪大概七八十萬嘛 |
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可是他外面我現在講外面最低的喔對這些人才最低的薪資啊相接八四萬年薪啊一百四到一百五那好一點的就是他水平高一點點的就正常一般的就差不多兩百萬啊你看什麼人要來幫你扣啊這是基中一個原因啊最主要就是怎樣 |
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還有一個原因不能來考我不用考我就可以去上班了對不對十年前本院就有做過結議就是說機關約聘不得超過百分之五嘛你們知道嗎是有這個限制所以那時候立法院還算不錯 |
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要求各機關的時候呢立法院本身就是到期就不續聘立法院有做到嗎可是你呢沒有啊你看數位部你也看好了數位部你有沒有認同他做我問你我剛剛問你就說你跟賴清德的共識對他的理解他會同意現在數位部這種做法嗎 |
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我跟委員報告各組織會不會超過5%的會聘人員那他有時候組織法制會有特別的規定那有數位部、金融機構、文化機構都有這樣的規定沒有啦,要有比較理破啊但實務上我跟委員報告他們也找不了那麼多人現實上並沒有用到這麼多不是啦,你賣錢賣你就啊啊啊,整個都在你那裡 |
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九百七十幾個他準備要聘用幾個不用科技捏這個他第一個還是他在組織法裡面我記得每個機關一百個所以如果說數位補的話對啊還有幾個機關 |
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其他機關因為我記得在科技啦或是文化部金融機構裡面有的幾十個不同立法院也有啦然後他還要持續從民間徵才這講的科技最多嘛從民間徵才為什麼不透過考選來有我們有今年開辦了資安特的類科有 |
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現在數位部已經聘用了這些人了 |
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委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任 |
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這我們立法院有必要去做這種人事任用的追蹤啦是因為你們沒方便啦我不替你們做事情你知道嗎跟委員報告因為他們的報告資料不會呈現他們在蘇衛部工作所以你把報告的人那些主委我就可以比對嗎我們比對啊 除非蘇衛部這邊願意提供名單跟我們來做比對我們可以比對啊因為他裡面請什麼人我可以幫忙啊對不對 |
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我告訴你這叫紅骨寶刀啦頭刀喔 頭刀這種的東西所以為什麼賴清德會找人點名他最不適任套一個要跟海特教的就是他 你不知道嗎你不知道他是誰最壞我告訴你真的啦 我問 你的名字海德啦 |
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其實您剛剛講一個問題很重要很關鍵啦就是說其實真的是他們最大的問題可能不是考不考而是因為薪資跟民間的落差真的很大所以問題相對波動感就出來了嘛因為沒有科技還要比我們這裡的科技還要多你聽到沒有是所以我們也希望能解決這個問題啦你是考試院捏是所以我們就積極來推動你應該比我比較混淆比較對捏 |
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因為這個 他的組織法裡面的規定是立法院立法啦這麼多公務人員 大家都是經過考選 大家拚到出來 哪一集比他們利益比較好 沒到他們的七成不是啦 這 我要講這 不福啦公務人員啊 棄盤就對了啦 這個國家就到了 |
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我們的文官制度在亞洲可算是屬一屬二我不是不敢你們說給一個補費把我們弄得整個都亂經這不好我要請教一下公務人員的體育 |
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那按照這個CPR這樣調整,你覺得含二綱,這個團體,是什麼,可以一致嗎?能不能一致啊?我是不是請周部長來回答?包括老年級富家就對比起來,我們能不能一致嗎?條件跟辦法? |
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我們的規定基本上在公保的部分那可能跟勞保相對比較可能勞保稍微多一點但是就退休制度來講我們盡量讓公務人員的這些退伏制度不要比勞工差你要怎麼努力啊 |
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我們現在建構的制度其實退休的部分不見得會比老公差目前只有公保年金給付或公保一次老年給付基本上給付率會稍微比老保低一點能不能一樣 |
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主席 |
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委員會主席 |
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退休給予會每4年或是CPI達到正負5%的時候會做調整而且今年已經做調整了因為如果是隨CPI要看適用的對象因為這一次適用對象是沒關係所有的公務人員都有這種機械啦那退休的家庭對不對 |
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政府是這樣的 要有一個態度 譬如說不可以把大家拉到變善吃 要把賣的拉起來 讓大家都變好東西不然說 勞工辛苦沒對 你就跟公務人員 打給他勞工變辛苦 不是這樣啦 要把勞工拉起來 讓大家都變好東西 不可以把大家拉到變善吃 要有這個概念 好不好 |
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謝謝委員好 謝謝謝委員、謝謝秘書長及部長接下來有請林委員、施銘質詢好 謝謝主席主席請秘書長有請劉秘書長 |
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好 秘書長早 委員早安是 秘書長我先就講這個就是我想前幾天有發生因為那個臺北市社會局有一位女科員涉及販毒的一個事件那這個事情依據媒體在3月7號的一個揭露 |
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女科員涉嫌販毒遭逮捕後以20萬元交保後傳北市社會局也在事發隔日要召開考機委員會並要求女科員出席陳述申辯不過這位女科員她缺席考機會 |
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臺北市社會局表示,因為當事人沒有出席考試會﹚沒有完成所謂的陳述跟申辯程序﹚所以會再通知當事人預計7天內含例假日會再開考試會﹚目前也將現有關鍵證據依照公務人員服務法﹚公務人員懲戒法及相關規範來依附懲戒﹚並先行停止其職務 |
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而以公務人員奉旗法的規定停職期間仍可領取半薪 |
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那您認為因為個人犯刑責而遭停職的處分卻仍可以領取半薪半奉這樣合理嗎?符合我們社會的觀感及人民的法律情感嗎?是,我跟委員報告這個部分其實涉及對於目前懲戒或懲處工具的應用那我這個是不是請周部長來做好,請部長回答 |
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因為在目前這個案例因為還沒有判決確定在判決確定之前用停職那給判刑是維持他基本的生活是給他適當的一個保障但是因為我們在還沒有判刑確定之前基本上還是要推定無罪 |
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所以這個時候就直接剝奪他所有的這一個縫及可能會影響他的生活那這一個部分我們當然認為目前是還算可以您剛才的論述就是說您基於無罪推定的原則所以會保障他的基本生活所以給他半縫但是我想這樣子針對就是每一個案子都不一樣 |
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那你像這種販毒的案子啊販毒涉及公務人員涉及販毒啊還可以領半薪啊我想這個對人民的法律情感真的是非常不能接受大家觀感非常差這個已經造成說我們公務人員的聲譽很大的影響這種人因為他這個還沒有判刑確定或者一直還沒有判決那因為受到停止職務停職人可以領半薪那 |
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我現在問你,你認為以你個人的觀感,你認為這個合理嗎?我先不講法律啦,你的觀點,你個人的感受。所以你的觀感也不好嘛,對不對?那既然說權敘部委感覺觀感不好,這個法制是不是有檢討修正的必要性? |
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法定人數不足 |
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其實說我們雖然尊重無罪推定的原則但是我們是不是就得依照諷刑法保留得知給半信本諷的彈性空間是否仍有它的一個必要性當然你現在是該講得是授權那個行政機關本身來做決定 |
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但是你把這種事情全部授權行政機關而不去在法制面上做修正那這個會造成行政機關他們在這個運用上會有很大的一個疑慮給首長太大的權利 |
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所以這部分這個學者也建議說應該慎重設計相關的要件來這個符合我們法律的一個設計所以這部分我是今天有一個提案要求說我們這個考試院能夠就這個部分能夠在三個月提出一個修正建議的必要去延期是否有修正的一個必要性就相關的要件是不是做制度的一個修改 |
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委員的意見我們來做演繹我給你三個月的時間謝謝第二我想大家 剛才大家一直關心有關於我們這個高不考的報名人數的一個問題我想我們這個113年的高不考也昨天已經開始報考了那請問秘書長你對於今年考試報名的人數您樂觀嗎 |
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我覺得有一個部分可以期待因為我們今年高補考是大規模減科減少考科的第一屆的實施所以 |
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昨天開始報名了已經有一萬人了我們再來觀察像今年的效果所以你是樂觀有信心的啦應該這樣講我覺得考生不來考有一個很大的問題是我們考試本身對年輕人求職來說是一個障礙啦就是說不是說考試本身的障礙應該說考試的方法裡面可能不要讓大家必須負擔太過高的成本所以我們今年普遍推動檢科的這個政策所以你也思考說怎麼樣子讓這個考生能夠回流啦對 |
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對,因為我們看到就是說在五年內來看的話我們高考報考人數2019年是四萬五千多人到去年的報考人數已降到三萬七千多人所以一直在下降 |
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那我想看秘書長您回答我們幾位委員的有關於這個公務人員報考人數下滑的原因剛才那個部長也有回答就第一個是少子化的原因另外因為外部競爭的關係還有第三個是因為那個待遇的問題 |
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但是我觀察到一個面向就是說這個現在我們在原單位的公務人員離職率非常高我們以新北市為例我們看新北市新北市它在2022年它的離職數是298人但是調往中央的往中央跑的人數高達166人 |
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所以這個面向我們看到就是說因為很多人他不願意在原來的這個地方待他希望到中央單位去所以我們導致說我們地方政府人員的人員他常常很多的人他心不在地方政府他一直想往上爬那為什麼會這些造成說這些公務人員一直想往中央跑的一個原因 |
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中央機關職等比較高啦我想公務員、優秀公務員追逐生前這個也很自然是所以秘書長你也提到問題的核心啊地方政府的職等比較低嘛一樣的職務的話一樣工作嘛但是到中央做一樣的工作他的職等會比較高所以你有沒有思索 |
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如何來讓我們地方政府人員的職等能夠跟中央的職等的落差不要造成太大的落差要如何來調整有沒有思考過各位報告我們其實這幾年在地方的某一些職等上面如果實務上有需求全序部的考量都會比較放寬那考試院也都支持能夠盡量讓地方有留才的工具比如說以新北來講 |
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邀請考試院秘書長、考選部部長及公務人員保障暨培訓委員會主任委員會主席 |
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但是我想地方政府還是需要留財你剛才也提到那如何讓我們國家的人財庫能夠穩定啊離子率不要說我一直想往心不在這個原單位啊如何的來去留住他們的心但我們一直剛才跟你討論就是有關職等的問題嘛 |
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所以我是建議我們是不是就我們地方政府人員值等如何來提升他們的值等來克服我們存在已久的值等落差的問題這方面是不是可以在這個一個月內提出書面報告給我可不可以我們把目前已經處理完的跟正在討論中的來跟委員做一個說明好我再請教我們剛才大家一直提到說數位治理數位值能的問題 |
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我想我們考試院保訓會有一個叫做一等公務員學習平台本席在意的是一個數位落差的問題雖然有這個學習平台也就是說對於資歷比較深的公務人員對於數位化的熟悉度跟比較親近的公務人員是有差異的這個您贊成嗎?秘書長 |
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有這樣的差異嘛所以針對這個問題啊我們有如何的解決方案了沒有 |
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現在目前在員公務機關的這些資深的公務人員他們的數位治理能力跟新進的是有落差你如何的來培訓他們這個在職訓練的部分這個其實比較屬於人事總署的訓練業務不過其實各機關都會重視這個問題像我們自己考試院內部我們也都會一直在開放比如現在AI這絕對是未來工具性的革命是一個革命的 |
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工作上有一個很大的變革所以我們也有各種的課程來提升大家這方面的認識我想秘書長我們都很重視數位治理的問題剛才謝榮介委員也對於說我們數位部有關他們的資通人員的考用問題來就教你剛才你也回答一個重點就是說在113年我們修正公務人員高考三等考試就在113年我們就會針對 |
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7759.811 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
知痛安全類科我們開始來考用 |
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7786.236 |
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但是我現在前幾天我也問那個人事總長有關於說我們的資安長我們行政院各機關各部會的資安長目前都是由非專業的副所長來兼任所以現階段我們要如何實際增強政府人員的數位職能以及數位治理能力就很重要 |
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所以我想請教秘書長這部分你未來要如何來精進這些政府機關相關就是我們剛才一直提到的這些資深的人員的數位職能及他的數位治理能力尤其治安長 |
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資安長的部分他為什麼現在這個都是由高階的副首長來兼任最主要是因為他必須要能夠協調各機關各單位但是他會有專業的同仁做他的幕僚 |
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這我了解,但是秘書長我回到我剛才的建議我是建議無論如何請保訓會要好好的研議如何解決學術公務員工作條件上的各項需求尤其現在面對我們資安 |
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委員會主席 |
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那結果可以當治安長所以如何來這個來協助他們來精進他們的數位職能我想這點請我們考試院保訓會來研議好不好以上好謝謝 |
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好 謝謝林委員、謝謝秘書長及郝部長因為主席在這邊做一個宣告就是預期在翁委員質詢或休息5分鐘但因為副總召在場我們就翁委員或11點看那個後續的情況那接下來我們就請翁委員、小林質詢 |
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主席秘書長還有考試院的這個部長們官員們大家好我是翁小玲那現在有請秘書長有請劉秘書長是的秘書長我剛剛其實也聆聽了前面幾位委員們的詮詢就是特別提到現在我們公務人員的報考率 |
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委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會 |
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但是很遺憾的可能是清華大學都是理工科系的學生多幾乎會想考公務員的學生非常非常少數大概全班不到5%吧一個60個班級的學生頂多只有兩三位同學想要考公務員所以我覺得這個是對我們國家的公務人員的 |
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委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會 |
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現在政府提供給公務員的待遇不是很理想跟一般的企業存在一定的很大的落差這方面有關在這裏我想就教就是不知道考試院有沒有去做過分析目前我國的公務人員與民間企業的薪資待遇中間大概有多大的差距 |
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根委員報告可能在特定行業的部分我們應該比較會去關心尤其是我們招募不足的這些科目比如說資訊類科建築跟工程獸醫公子獸醫師類似這樣的 |
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委員會主任委員會主席 |
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好 了解那當然我很希望就是考試院這邊可以去做一個通盤的研析包含不同職系的這個公務人員那麼他們跟一般的民間企業的薪資待遇的這個相比較這樣的話我們才能夠真的去檢討到底我們現在公務人員的待遇是跟民間企業是差多少我們一定不要說是趕上是相當的程度我們一定要縮短中間的這個差距那麼可能才對於要吸引優秀的公務人員比較有誘因 |
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麻煩周部長 |
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我們這一次調整縫級法當然主要會涉及到整個縫表結構的調整我們希望讓它更合理然後再更有這個規律性那當然這會涉及到這個縫級的提高還有年功縫縫級的增加那目前這個部分當然那是屬於法制層面那實際上縫點則算縫額跟 |
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我看這個相關的辦法裡面有講就是有關於就是依照憲法規定其實這個即奉是屬於考試院 |
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的職權那麼對於像是年功奉啊本奉啊等等這些奉典折算的奉額是由行政院會上考試院要共同定之我想就這個部分來講的話希望考試院可以更積極而不是就是等待人事院行政總處那裡主動提出這個有關於這個奉典折算奉額 |
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最近一次奉典折算額的修正是在什麼時候? |
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奉典則算奉額就會隨著那個待遇的調整像今年限職公務人員調升4%當然那個就會做調整所以也就是說這近30年來其實奉典則算奉額的這個調整的次數很少然後調整幅度也不高嘛我剛剛聽了這個羅委員的 |
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這個執行他裡面有提到那麼就現在其實我認為要比較積極的很快速的可以調整公務人員的待遇大概就是可以從這個調整、奉典、折算額 |
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責算率還可以調整 |
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如果他的縫點是在221點到790之間都是這樣所以大部分的公務員可能都是在這個74.3的部分所以如果說你們調高你調到80或是調到85那我覺得公務人員就很有感了我相信也可以吸引更多的考生來報考就代表整個公務員的薪資結構是往上的可能還不需要動到修法這個有關於縫 |
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這個折算奉典的這個部分應該是考試院會商,你們是要訂立行政命令,訂立一個辦法來挑戰嗎?還是你們自己?人事行政總處那邊在演繹,然後我們只是參與只是會商,基本上都是他召開那個軍公教代理審議委員會去做決定的 |
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其實真的不需要這麼麻煩還要去修法 |
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只要是把現在的縫點折算額調高就可以了對不對是OK那接下來我要問一下有關於考試的部分其實我看到你們的立法計畫裡面其實有關於考試的修正蠻多的包含這個軍法官我先談軍法官的部分其實軍法官已經有多少年沒有招考了應該已經有超過10年了 |
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他只是對於軍事審判就在暫時的時候會啟動平時期間他是回歸到一般的法院來審理 |
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我們現在在招募的這個幫國防部考這個國防法務官就是為了填補軍法官不再招考以後的可是國防法務官跟軍法官的職權性質是不一樣的不知道秘書長您知道這個事情嗎就軍法官他有法定的職權可是看起來我 |
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現在國防法務官他只是做一些例行性的這個法制和行政的工作這兩個是不一樣的更何況現在大家不都說臺灣是我們這個臺灣現在是全世界最危險的地方隨時可能都會有戰爭的發生我們這個暫時就雖然軍法官現在是適用在軍法官未來會這個 |
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處理有關於在戰時的這個軍事審判但是我們要養兵千日啊不能說是真的發生戰爭需要啟動這個軍事審判的時候結果找不到軍法官這個部分我覺得其實是問題很嚴重的 |
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新聞報告就是說因為這個考試院是依照現行的法律裡面需要的這個配合用人機關來做招考啦那委員剛剛講這個問題那這個應該是法律修正的結果 |
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法定人數不足 |
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我來回答一下這個經法官的部分事實上因為他不屬於公務人員所以在上一屆考試院也針對這個問題有做一些討論那考試院這邊事實上只負責公務人員考試那經法官的屬性他屬於經人所以在上次 |
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好 簡單來說就是要國防部要請求你們辦理你們才會辦理是嗎那請問國防部過去這些年沒有請你們辦理嗎所以現在就是軍法官的部分暫時不考但是就是用國防法務官的方式來禁用我現在要講的就是一個前提的問題就是說這件事情到底要不要辦軍法官考試的這件事情發動權是在國防部然後考試院是配合辦理對吧是那所以國防部 |
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過去這些年都沒有提出說他們要舉辦軍法官考試嗎之前有提出來但是考試院這邊是有不同的意見是為什麼考試院會有不同的意見我覺得可以討論但是我覺得主動的發動權還是在國防部國防部他一定有通盤的考量所以國防部後來通盤考量之後就是用這個國防法務官的方式來禁用有關軍法人才 |
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是可是現在軍法官的這個缺額非常多而且就像我剛剛講的軍法官跟國防事務官他其實他的這個權限不同而更何況在現在軍事審判法裡面並沒有訂定國防法務官所以看起來我覺得國防法務官他大概就是處理一些在軍事機關裡面的例行性的一些法務行政的問題這個部分還沒有修法進去但是沒有修法進去的這個前提這個情況之下其實還是 |
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應該要依照軍事審判法裡面的規定該考軍法官的考試就要考你可以說我可以聘比較考就是錄取比較少的人可是不可以不考更何況就是這個主動權如果在國防部那據我了解其實國防部一直很希望能夠舉辦軍法官考試 |
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委員會主任委員會主席 |
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再去多了解那不好意思主席我可以再延長一些時間嗎一分鐘好不好因為要差不多休息了那很快的再講就是說你們這次也有提出來高考三級要增加司法行政類的考試而這個有關於司法行政人員你們這次考試考這個司法行政司法行政人員他最主要是要做什麼 |
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他主要工作還是做司法行政的部分因為他們認為在司法院這個行政人員應該還要針對法律能夠有更高的這個素養因為司法院他們之前也有提出他們的這個立法計畫他們希望能夠增加法官助理所以司法行政人員跟法官助理是一樣嗎 |
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不一樣不一樣 做的事情不一樣那現在司法院裡面或是法務部的地檢署其實他們已經有書記官、司法事務官、檢察事務官還有一般的法制行政、法官助理其實有很多都可以協助處理司法行政人員 |
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司法院的名額應該是有跟人總討論過所以他才會有這個擴充的能力 |
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我們休息5分鐘 |
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好繼續開會先做宣告今天有委員提出臨時提案依本會往例在登記質詢的本會委員發言告一段落後處理那預計呢在副委員昆齊之後詢答後呢我們再進行處理臨時提案那繼續下來現在有請吳委員思堯質詢 |
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謝謝主席,有請劉建興秘書長有請劉秘書長 |
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麗珊好,我們考試院的同仁大家好我過去在教育文化委員會我有機會能夠導入我過去在教文領域的一些新思維也希望能夠帶給我們考試院的同仁在公務人力的考選訓用的部分能夠有所不同思維的導入那我今天的破題非常清楚 |
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國家需要更多的文化人才,在攬財育才的部分,考試院其實可以跟上這個部部都是文化部,人人都是文化人這樣的國家發展趨勢。好,下一頁。問一下這個建新秘書長,您個人最近一次參加的文化event是什麼?或是你特別喜歡去什麼文化場館?音樂會跟美術館 |
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下一頁 |
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我以我自己 您剛說您是去年去不好意思 我是文化界的這個同好我的文化生活也是我的工作啦所以我上週末我先去了歷史博物館我跟大家分享歷史博物館是國民政府來台以後第一個建的博物館 |
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他歷經一甲子,現在邁向70年,最近在我們啟用前瞻基礎建設的預算,協助他進行開館以來最大的修復、修善、整修、整建,終於在上週末重新開幕。 |
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所以歷史博物館呢就做了一個開幕的大展而且他是跨界的他請了時尚設計師周育穎這是台灣的新銳時尚設計師是走上紐約時裝週走上倫敦時裝週的一把手他利用史博館的典藏館藏去時尚跟文物的結合所以那天史博館的這個開幕event非常的精彩 |
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我自己也成為時尚代言人,是上臺灣時裝周也是司要委員任內催生的我穿上的是長裕,我們史博館的典藏長裕的畫作,跟周育穎的一個時尚跨界的合作 |
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那天的展覽也就是史博館現在重新的這個展覽我呼籲我也邀請大家一起去看這檔展覽它讓我們看到文化的新跟舊的鏈結跨域的新時代到了所以把史博館的很多典藏譬如說郭雪狐的早春系列它變成一個系列的時裝 |
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馬白水的太魯閣之美也成為一套四件的時裝系列當然我們的青花瓷也能夠作為時裝、作為台灣的IP、台灣的文化內涵江賢二老師跟常鈺的畫作再搭配周育穎這個Fashion Designer可以成為一個跨界的新的展演 |
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我分享這些是要告訴大家告訴我們考試院所有的同仁文化在進步跨域跟創新是現在的文化政策的新挑戰下一頁我也在上個週末我也去了台灣博物館台博館有一個台灣建築與圖說紀錄片的首映會 |
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我爭取了文化部的預算讓以前建築是營建署在管的建築都是法規 |
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我想很多的考試院的同仁你們在做各項的這個考試都知道建築就是考營建法規、考結構安全事實上建築是文化的一部分所以我催生了文化部開始讓博物館跟建築用文化的觀點去從事很多包括那天的活動是紀錄片的拍攝下一頁而未來回到前一頁 |
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未來台灣文化部會有一個新的管社叫做台灣建築文化中心所以我要告訴大家分享大家建築的主管機關不再只有內政部 |
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為什麼要分享這些呢?下一頁 |
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我想告訴大家越來越多的文化館舍都在成立都在興設這幾年來從鐵道博物館、台灣文學館、台灣歷史博物館、國家攝影文化中心、國家漫畫博物館、國家兒童未來博物館、電影及影視音中心、公視台語台也開了、台灣plus也開台了 |
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這是中央政府的文化建設未來有台灣音樂中心跟建築文化中心要上路而地方政府就以大家最熟知的北流、北藝再到這個高雄的衛武營等等 |
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下一頁 |
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我講法規我花一點時間跟大家分享文化基本法終於在2019年修法完成而立法完成它是文化的基本大法就是文化的憲法文化基本法裡頭有針對文化人才的禁用選用是大大的要求要全方面的來跟上我就不贅述條文了下一頁 |
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文化資產保存法也在2016年大修了大幅的要求各個部會部部都是文化部就從文化資產的修復下手所以呢我們需要在文資修復的人才導入各部會不是只有文化部需要文化資產修復的人才 |
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所以我分享一個經歷經驗經濟部下所屬的國營事業從臺糖、臺電、中油到臺灣自來水公司這幾年來106年就開始在他自己的徵才入取項目裡頭訂定了文化資產類 |
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這是國營事業很大的一個創新因為台電也好、中油也好、台糖也好、也好他們管理的很多都是文化資產需要修復人才而不是凡事都是丟給文化部去做 |
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最正文化法規因應文字法的大修我們需要人才需要人力下一頁好 文獎條例也修正了2021年我們各個部會要強化對於公共藝術的投入它同樣需要文化人才 |
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所以回到重點喔 夏業 這個前提有點久 我要醞釀那個情緒來說服大家文化在進步 文化建設越來越多 國家需要更多的文化人才但是呢 夏業 看看我們在懶財面 考公職的都知道 文化行政類就是死亡之族啊 |
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錄取率最低開的缺最少我以高考這五年來的統計文化行政只錄取86人錄取率只有0.59 |
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那其他類別都是高於文化行政的類別各類科的錄取率是11.23文化行政類只有2.4這是高考下一頁我們來看普考的攬裁的部分五年來的文化行政錄取71人占整體的普考錄取人員的0.57而跟其他類科比起來也是明顯的偏低 |
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秘書長 |
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現在委員的分享我覺得這個資訊對我們來說是很重要那過去可能也沒有這麼深入的這個分析的意見如果從錄取例來看那麼第一就表示說其實想進政府部門服務相關工作的專業人士還比較多但是他的機會不夠多那當然我必須說各機關所的需用人數是由各機關自己來報這個比較不是考試院主任但文化部永遠告訴我他們爭取不到 |
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應該 政治部門應該不是考試院 只要報來缺我們一定會來協助招考那至於說 也許是他們希望更多的員額那這個部分就比較是行政院我懂 人事行政總處但是我們絕對支持這樣的理念各部門真的需要有更多文化的人力那同仁 一般的同仁也需要有更多文化的思維 |
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我非常謝謝秘書長的回答我也非常清楚開缺第一線是部會當然還有地方政府喔第二關就是人事總處在處理但是跟考試院也是有關係的來懶財面也許跟您沒有那麼直接那我們來看育財面下一頁 |
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這是公務人員基礎訓練120小時裡頭只有4個小時要上文化類科的課程而剛好這4個小時就是線上課程就可以了而這4個小時的文化課程我去看了它的課程內容確實跟文化相關但是它focus在族群和諧它focus在氣候變遷 |
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對不起 這不是我所論述的文化政策的精進教育這個是公務人力的基礎訓練所以文化課程換寡也換不均只佔120個小時裡面的4小時然後它的4小時上的還不是我們文化基本法要求的文化課程 這個可以改進吧 |
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好沒關係那我下面講完下一頁你再一起回應這個是另外一個在進修的課程15個小時高普考的輔助必修數位課程就是數位課程裡頭確實落實了台灣現在重要的國家政策譬如說人權的課程性平的課程援助民族的課程但是就是沒有文化基本法裡頭文化政策要求的文化教育的 |
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公職人員的訓練在進修所以文化立國部部市文化部在育才的方面也確實做得不夠好再下一個我把問題點出來剛剛那個是普考的人力的這個generally的訓練課程這個就是文化行政類別的集中食物的專業訓練30小時課程真的很好因為是文化部幫忙規劃 |
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講師也好,內容也好,都非常好,但是一個缺點,都是坐在會議室上課。在文化類的課程,最重要的就是 onsite,對不起我助理拼錯了,site, onsite learning |
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要把文化課程帶到文化資產的限制要帶到文化場館的限制那才是真正的文化禁用那才是真正第一線的去理解文化這是UNESCO教科文聯合國教科文組織現在在推的文化教育所以在這幾個面向課程上換寡也換不均今天的課程裡頭 |
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還有很多可以在做得更好的地方我一併提供 您要緊要回應嗎不好意思主席站起來了是跟委員報告對謝謝委員非常這個精彩跟完整的資料的一個整理那跟委員說明剛才委員所列示的那個基礎訓練因為那是給所有公務同仁的一個基礎訓練他強調的是共通職能的訓練所以在我們是一道但是共通職能文化不能是outside的喔對 |
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所以我們會在這個所謂的文化行政裏面就誠如委員所提供的我們在各個類科裏面有集中食物訓練的部﹗四小時不夠啊因為文化是跨領域的是增加它的課程授課時數以及內容要真的貼近國家重要的文化政策是我們以後會再精進對那我們就是在這個集中食物訓練的部分我們就會貼近這個各個類科裏面最重要的專業職能跟專業的法令以及專業的一個政策所以我們有規劃了這樣的一個集中食物訓練這個部分是由我們保障會跟文化部來共同撥發 |
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至於以後要加上這個時常的來協助好嗎?我們也會來提供文化部來做參考我後面一些東西來不及講了謝謝主席站起來一直給我壓力我要跟考試院所有的夥伴來分享文化進入一個全新發展的領域文化就在生活裡部部都是文化部人人都是文化人就要從我們公務人力的考選 |
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接下來有請副總召昆齊智勳 |
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主席請秘書長請劉秘書長總長早這個國家的人才如果第一流的精英都能夠進入政府的話我相信這個國家未來的發展絕對是一個正向而且能夠跟國際具有更高的競爭力過去記得在我們上一輩的年代裡面 |
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幾乎女孩子要嫁男生如果是公務員的話那不得了那生活是一定得到保障而且社會的地位非常的高所以大家都希望能夠嫁公務人員所以我記得那個時候身為公務人員家庭的子弟是非常非常榮耀的一件事情李國鼎先生也說過國家有的人才都在政府公部門服務 |
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未來國家的發展絕對一日千里所以我們一直很期待我們考試院能夠對 |
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這些所有的我們的公職人員能夠有更多更多的不只是尊重還有在生活待遇各方面都能夠得到安定能夠得到發展這個我們一定會全力的支持考試院但是現在有一些數據我必須要跟秘書長來討論一下從我們的國考這個從104年是327000人考試 |
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入企19163人入企及格率是8.39到去年到去年112年是191659人報考入企率竟然高達12.58而且去年跟前年的差距是最大的 |
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在民國117年的入取率9.81到了去年是12.58短短一年之間多了將近3個百分點當然是報考人數大幅的降低104年是32萬7千人到了去年是19萬1千人所以是不是我們國考已經這麼多這些我們國家的優秀人才不願意來考試 |
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是不是我們這個部分是不是考試院能夠拿出一個具體相關的辦法留住人才秘書長有什麼想法沒有跟總召報告這個問題我們很重視那因為考生就是年輕世代年輕世代的學習跟工作模式他的性格養成其實跟我們現在考試這個長久以來傳統下來的考試制度其實開始產生很大的落差 |
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我們在試著去調整這個落差比如說年輕世代現在就用3C產品來寫作所以我們開始一定要趕快去推電腦化考試這樣深論題要大家用手寫對很多人來說這個很不習慣那另外一部分我們也今年的高普考也開始調整考科我們專業科目數其實工作上用不到的我們就減少這個部分可能也跟這兩年的報考人數會產生關聯因為去年有很多考生說今年要減科嘛他就今年再來考 |
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所以我們可以來觀察一下今年的狀況這個部分有沒有達到一些效果我想秘書長說是不是因為考試的方式能夠做隨著時代的進步而做調整能夠吸引更多的考生來我想制度上可以這樣來推動但是我們就實際的實務上我們來做一個直接面對面的探討現在我們公務員基本的初等起薪是多少錢 |
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應該三萬多但數字三萬一千四百五十塊是所以現在跟企業的我們現在基本工資兩萬七千四百七十塊事實上已經齁經過國考的公務員跟一般民間金融的人員最低最低的工資也不過短短啊四千塊的差距他不只要學有所成而且還要 |
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經過國家考試之後這種待遇現在說實在三萬一千塊要怎麼生活啊所以本期在這裡特別希望考試院是國家的公器是公務人員能夠得到保障最主要的這個院會 |
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所以是不是現在隨著這麼多的物價調漲指數等等我們不能再像過去啊動不動啊什麼軍人、公務員、教師啊就算達到了這個消費者物價指數累積成長率達到正負5%的時候至少4年檢討一次所以現在這個東西都是一個有非常高的不確定性而且呢 |
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不管是這個待遇的調整都行政院定制或考試院會頭行政院定制或者是教育部跟這個報行政院核定所以本席現在覺得我們應該要來提出一個法制化的我們軍公教的調整的一個機制不能在公後行政院像去年 |
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公務員的調薪跟退休公務員差了270幾天差了9個多月所以這個應該是同步來執行我們都會法制化沒有關係讓有考試院能夠有更多一選的空間不過本席也提供一下現在公務員第一個不能堅持那堅持所劃定的範圍非常的嚴格 |
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所以在這麼微薄的薪資情況之下到底要怎麼樣維繫生存如果家裡三口四口夫妻只有一個人在工作太太可能在帶小孩這種情況之下三口之家四口之家那三萬多塊怎麼過生活那要堅持這個部分本席在這裡清楚希望考試院對公務人員堅持的部分 |
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是不是應該要以適度的放寬希望你給我一份書面的報告另外現在本席把過去的一段經驗跟考試院來分享我在花蓮縣政府服務的時候對於當時軍人的招募因為在偏鄉軍人招募到我們的這些高中職來 |
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來找這個願意投入軍旅生活的及我們的畢業生是主要的兵員這個募兵制最主要的來源那在過程當中45歲45歲這些軍人就要退伍那問題45歲正當這個青壯年國家不能浪費人才 |
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委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會 |
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在職的軍人能夠做第二戰場的訓練,當他45歲退休以後,他一方面領的退休奉,一方面也可以自己不再由公務方面的支出,讓他能夠有自己在創業,或者是投入非公職的服務行列,讓他有雙薪,能夠改善他的生活。 |
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所以這樣子一方面也大大刺激了我們花蓮在地願意投入軍旅的這些年輕人所以這是過去的一個經驗本席希望考試院也針對我剛剛提出來的部分能夠也給我一個書面的一個回應本席要特別要告訴您的就是為什麼現在撲偏達為什麼這些外送員現在往往是首選而不再是來參加國考 |
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現在外送員一天10個小時努力一點10個小時都是6、7萬以上的收入這種情況之下有誰願意再來認真的讀國考 |
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兩年前我們修過公務員服務法的時候對兼職的部分是有一些放寬那這個部分如果今天時間比較短的話我們再把 |
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什麼非營利單位什麼的你們這個限縮的範圍這個範圍太窄了你們確實要因為這個數字的崩跌是很清楚因為大家都不願意來國考我們再次強調不管是新加坡也好台灣也好一流的人才進入政府是什麼樣的一個政府未來國家的發展是指日可待 |
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在新加坡的公職人員是受到什麼樣的待遇連退休都有房屋都是國家給予的我想這個部分是不是請秘書長針對本席今天所提出的這些相關的事情給我一份完整的報告 |
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希望我們今天的對談是很務實的,也能夠為國家多留一些人才到公部門,讓我們的國家更好,好不好?謝謝總統的關心跟寶貴意見,謝謝 |
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謝謝副總召,謝謝秘書長。依先前宣告,現在處理臨時提案共兩案,請一併宣讀,宣讀後依序處理。請宣讀。 |
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臨時提案一,鑒於近日有公務人員因販賣毒品招待後交保後傳,遭處停止職權,仍可依法領取半分,違禁於其停止職務之事由為私人情責,而非因公涉案,與其職權內容無關,原提案竟請全序部針對公務人員保障法、公務員懲戒法、公務人員放棄法等法令之合理性與妥適性,進行研議,並於三個月內向司法及法制委員會提出書面報告。 |
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提案委員：林思敏：雷屬委員：陳君宇：傅坤琦：翁曉琳明示提案二類以為提高國考報考人數及降低基層公務員離職率：司要請考試院依與人事行政總署原意為錄取不足額單位及偏鄉基層公務員提供涉財之可行性以改善錄取不足額及降低公務員離職率並於三個月內提供書面報告 |
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2.因與人事行政總署緣異,專業家局與業界比較,使專業公務人員薪資與業界相仿之可行性,以改善錄取不足額及降低理值率,並於3個月內提供書面報告。提案委員鍾嘉斌、吳思堯、林思明。宣讀完畢請問提案委員有沒有要補充說明?林委員沒有 |
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好 那請 針對臨時提案請問機關有沒有其他意見或說明來 請做部長請 沒關係 請用麥克風那臨時提案一案由的第四行 那個公務人保障法是不是建議改成公務人考積法 因為本案跟考積法有關係那個請問提案委員 就是我同意 負責考積法 |
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公務人員保障法第一個是保訓會主管不是全序部主管是那第二個是因為考機法有考機免職的規定所以他也有涉及到停職的部分那我同意同意好謝謝同意修正好那麼 |
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第一案我們就依剛剛將公務人員保障法改為公務人員考積法做如上修正請問各位有同意嗎?同意,同意後那麼臨時提案一修正後通過那麼對於臨時提案二機關有無要說明 |
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謝謝主席 |
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那我們麻煩考試院劉秘書長還有銓敘部的周部長劉秘書長以及周部長兩位早安 |
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我想先請教一個問題大概也就是跟這一次我們的考機有修正有關嘛那我自己以前都在公家機關所以我知道同仁其實是非常在乎考機的那我想請教先請教一個問題就是我想先請教劉秘書長就有關目前你掌握到的我們全國公務員的離職狀況是怎麼樣 |
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離職狀況這幾年離職大概一年大概一萬多人但是這邊要說明就是離職的定義包含退休、免職等等那所以這是一個總的人數這樣子大概一萬三百 |
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我這邊有一個數字大概就是從107年到111年其實我們可以看得出來您剛剛講的也沒有錯從107年到110年其實我們的數字是減少的但是111年我們增加到13500人 |
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政府是高達22.84這是全國公務員的部分如果我們不看全國公務員我們看中央各機關的離職情況中央各機關的離職情況我手上的數據在111年度是3753人 |
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委員會主任委員會主席 |
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委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會 |
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秘書長,你們那邊有沒有掌握什麼樣的問題是出在哪裡?這個人數裡面大概有五成多的人是退休啦那現在退休當然介林退休的比例比較慢慢越來越高但他這個是因為是退休所以他的性質就不太一樣那辭職大概佔這個人數裡差不多兩成大概就是每年兩千上下的那個數字 |
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執職人數一直都沒有超過整個公務員全體人數的百分之一大概在0.68到0.96這個百分比中間我不是說跟全體的公務員人數我是說離職的人數他的比例有沒有 |
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委員會主任委員會主任 |
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這三成人是用離職重考來轉換工作所以我們有查過說這2000多人裡面可能有過幾年他就會慢慢有一部分會回來那當然有一些他被民間的薪資吸走或者是說他因為不適應公部門的角色所以離開這個當然個人因素等等這個我們也都有調查 |
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照您剛說的啦就是說我們先不考量他可能我可以理解你的意思因為我們自己也是公務員他可能剛第一次考試考的分數分發的地點他不滿意他就會回過頭來再考一次這個也不是新鮮事嘛這我可以理解但是呢我想請教一下就像您剛說的 |
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委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任 |
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我想因為我們看這些年的趨勢其實是相對穩定所以並沒有有非常大幅度的調整 |
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那至於其他的這個部門他的離職率的狀況他的原因那我們會再來了解那相對比較之下公務員的部分應該其實算是相對穩定的是那你們有平常會去研究一下就是說離職率比較高的一些機關狀況是怎麼樣嗎有沒有做這樣的研究 |
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我們去年有去做了一些統計數據的分析然後有幾個機關的確讓我們有看到他們的離職人數可能是人數不是比例有比較突出 |
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那這裡面我們有去跟相關機關做一點意見交換可能如果前幾年的數據看起來也許跟疫情期間責任特別重的機關比較有關聯這是一個側側疫情期間職責會加重的那幾個機關離職率會比較高或者重考率會比較高 |
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因為我自己看那個我講簡單例子像我看那個書記官有人考上書記官分發到桃園地檢就流眼淚然後就不報到明年再考所以有一些機關確實是因為工作量的關係大家就是連報到都不想報到所以我才會說如果貴部或是貴院發現有一些 |
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委員會主席 |
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基本上剛剛委員提到像公營事業因為它相對待遇比一般公務人員要高所以它離職率相對就會比較少我想這也是一個因素好那就是我剛剛說的就對一些比較特別的機關如果有這個數據上面的凸顯再麻煩各位能夠找個配套措施 |
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那我現在今天要跟各位討論的一個是比較重要的點就是我知道考機法這次有修正這次大家有提一個草案那我剛剛所提到的其實公務員是很在乎考機的包括我想說立法院這邊也是那我們原本是分四個嘛加以秉丁那現在變成是五個就是從什麼傑出優良良好 |
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我想請問一下原本的這個考積這四種分等方式他的問題是有出在哪裡的問題我想最大問題就在於說那個我們設定的比例那假等的比例是75那已等是25那已等相對是比較差所以大家都在避免被列為已等 |
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委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會 |
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這個部分我是認同啦但我也覺得以前75%假等大家我只要打贏那25%我就沒有問題了這當然這是一個考量但是呢在新的草案裡面我覺得有個地方怪怪的就是第9條他說受考人員在考進年度內有下列情形之一者使得考列傑出第10個是說單任機關首長副首長就是單任幹部職領導友方績效優良 |
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把這個列進去如果在早年75%是假等的時候可能基層公務員他就算了我不想跟你老闆吵反正有75%是假等但是呢現在傑出是不得超過5%那這時候就會有一些基層公務員就會覺得5%就是你們這些長官都站滿了那我們算老幾這樣 |
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我就是擔心你列這個的話會不會有這個問題存在我們也有聽到相關的意見也要避免這樣的一個誤解其實它只是條件之一但並不是說一定要單過這個首長、副首長、主管、副主管的才能夠拿到傑出那再加上我們如果未來因為考機就是要同關的內評比所以不一定都會是首長、副首長跟這個主管、副主管我懂所以這是第10嘛它是10 |
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我以前跟過一個檢察長然後那個部裡面那個不良好那個地檢署還要有一個缺額那個檢察長跳出來說那你打我好了 |
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也有朱姓夾掌那我很佩服這樣的長官但是我知道很多長官都很有GUS很有肩膀但是我們特別把它列進去就是說這樣子曾經擔任過機關首長是得列為考列傑出我們特別把機關首長放進去這對嗎應該是說我們在乎的是他工作的態度工作的狀況嘛 |
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11451.9 |
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那我有沒有必要把它列出來就是機關首長這是本席的一個問題再麻煩你們能夠考量一下那再來尤其是只剩下5%是傑出的時候基層一定會跟你吵以前75的時候反正很容易打夾等那他也不會跟你吵這個再麻煩你們不過我們多數良好是跟現在的夾等是一樣的 |
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11501.005 |
| transcript.whisperx[405].text |
我知道 但是傑出是只有5%這個沒有弄錯嘛但是 我說真的啦當長官就有當長官的肩膀阿如果當長官好處占盡責任都是底下扛我相信這樣的公務體制很多人就會失去他的鬥志 失去他的熱忱我們會避免這種現象這本席就提出一個這樣子 潛見供你們參考那再來就是 |
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11502.606 |
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11528.922 |
| transcript.whisperx[406].text |
草案第11條我還是覺得有一個地方怪怪的就是待改善裡面有一個職場霸凌挑撥離間、整肅異己、品德操守這個東西會不會列為很主觀啊對所以說你說這個應考列待改善裡面的這幾個點是你條文中有的嘛對不對對那這個是變成是違反法律的明確性原則啊我講一個很簡單的 |
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11530.797 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].end |
11554.497 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].text |
品德操守也是一個很模糊的空間整數一級這個更模糊啊大家不約我吃飯我就覺得你霸凌我這是過去考列平等的參考指標裡面是這樣但我們會檢討說我們不能說以前這樣現在就對我們其實越來越法治化的國家法律明確性原則是我們念法律都一個最基本的概念就是說 |
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11556.094 |
| transcript.whisperx[408].end |
11581.914 |
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很模糊的東西我會比較建議盡量不要放進去否則以後幹部就是你對我好你就是就是沒有挑玻璃間你對我不好就是挑玻璃間這就是很奇怪我會參考委員議金再來調整那所以這個待改善的這個項目裡面有這麼多不確定的抽象概念就麻煩你們也參考一下好不好本席今天是對這個我看完草案之後提出這幾個建議好謝謝兩位謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].start |
11586.016 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].end |
11611.962 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].text |
謝謝吳沙偉、謝謝秘書長、謝謝部長,的確很有道理,用詞要明確,謝謝接下來我們請政委員天才質詢主席、各位委員,有請全序部部長有請全序部周部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].start |
11618.218 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].end |
11647.124 |
| transcript.whisperx[410].text |
部長剛提的那個不確定法律概念確實太抽象了我說考機法那個部分確實是我也是老公務員三十年公務員這個部分確實是我不知道為什麼要改這個大家已經行之永遠都已經用了都習慣了大家都已經再改成那樣可能恐怕問題更多 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].start |
11649.849 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].end |
11673.587 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].text |
公務人員任用法第18條第一項的第三款在同官等內調任第一職等職務除志願者外以調任第一職等職務為限均仍以原職等任用且機關首長及副所長不得調任 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].start |
11674.227 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].end |
11690.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].text |
本機關同職務列等以外之其他職務主管人員不得調任本單位之副主管或非主管副主管人員不得調任本單位之非主管但有特殊情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].start |
11699.517 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].end |
11726.109 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].text |
報經總統府主管院或國家安全會議核准者不在此現會有發生這種情形的很多都是看起來都是中央部會或是這個午宴就是基本上是午宴因為報經總統府主管院這個特殊情形 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].start |
11727.507 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].end |
11755.428 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].text |
這樣的條文在中華民國的法律可能只有截條但有特殊情形然後授權給這個首長這麼大的前線本來機關首長跟副首長不得調任本機關同職務類等以外的其他職務他是沒辦法他沒有別的 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].start |
11756.696 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].end |
11766.469 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].text |
隨便找個理由但有特殊情形所以這條條文應該要修了這個部長你是學法律的 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].start |
11767.586 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].end |
11794.473 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].text |
因為過去大概是希望讓這個制度稍微有點彈性因為有些特殊情形如果沒辦法做調整可能不適當所以保留一個這個特殊情形的條款但這個適用機會基本上很少而且特殊情形我們都尊重總統府、主管院跟國際安全會議自己的決定那只是給他一個例外調整的彈性而已原則上應該還是照前面各款的規定 |
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11796.299 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].end |
11817.177 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].text |
但是但是這個就就授權太大授權太大還不是一般的所謂的不確定法律概念比這個還還更寬對不對所以這個部分這個所以我們會來檢討是不是可以去檢討這條的條文接下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].start |
11834.007 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].end |
11843.957 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].text |
公務人員考試法第6條第二項為因應特殊性質機關之需要及保障身心障礙者嚴助民族之就業權益 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].start |
11846.567 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].end |
11851.749 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].text |
委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會 |
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11903.245 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].text |
這裏面我特別要請這個這個考選部來協助的這個是過去的副表過去的副表姚家文當考試院院長時代的副表我也特別列出來的意思是說很多的部會像外交部、僑務委員會 |
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11906.587 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].end |
11934.561 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].text |
要說跟原住民的那個不完全沒有但是還是比較少一點但是他們都還是當時都還是列為而且還有提出直切原住民選特考有提出直切那當然其他的相關的部會這幾年越來越少相關的部會提出直切的 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[422].end |
11958.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].text |
大部分都拿去做這個高考啊普考啊拿去那邊就以考試院來講應該沒有演出名的公務人員吧考試院包括的各前戲部這個像你們也一樣沒有嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].start |
11960.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].end |
11986.919 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].text |
所以我的意思是說像很多的直接有關係的像勞動部啊原住民的勞工比例很高啊像這個相關的部會農委會現在叫農業部了跟原住民的那個息息相關的很多所以這個部分對一個人員的禁用列為原住民行政特考的直切 |
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11988.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].end |
11989.021 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].text |
好 謝謝政委員 謝謝許部長接下來有請林委員處英 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].start |
12017.577 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].end |
12045.876 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].text |
林委員處英林委員處英不在那麼有請鄭委員鄭錢鄭委員鄭錢鄭委員鄭錢不在有請謝委員依奉謝委員依奉謝委員依奉不在那麼有請羅委員明財羅委員明財羅委員明財不在那有請吳委員立法吳委員立法 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].start |
12047.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].end |
12068.663 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].text |
吳委員立法不在,有請徐委員新迎徐委員新迎,薛仁信不在,有請蔡委員易於蔡委員易於,蔡委員易於不在,有請楊委員瓊英楊委員瓊英,楊委員瓊英不在,有請陳委員冠廷陳委員冠廷,陳委員冠廷不在 |
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| transcript.whisperx[427].end |
12091.101 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].text |
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