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| 委員名稱 |
郭國文 |
| 委員發言時間 |
13:51:43 - 13:56:52 |
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| 會議時間 |
2024-11-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第9次全體委員會議（事由：邀請勞動部部長、銓敘部、國防部、內政部警政署、內政部消防署、行政院人事行政總處、考試院、公務人員保障暨培訓委員會、教育部及國家科學及技術委員會就「職場霸凌防治與處理作業」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席有請何沛山部長跟蔡夢良署長部長署長請我也好部長署長我現在用很沉重的心情來看這件事情勞動部的這一個霸凌事件的檢討報告不承認霸凌但是勞動部的這個霸凌報告其實是霸凌了臺灣社會 |
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我錄了大家對這個事件本質的認知我不會全然怪部長跟署長這裡頭有制度的問題有文化的問題還有心態的問題特別是權傾一詞人的心態特別容易霸凌別人 |
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保發中心就曾經發生過的事情在上個月的時候還來我的辦公室來做說明公不明霸凌的文化是如此盛行這真的是值得讓我們好好自我深思的地方部長不瞞你說我也在勞動部任職過我如果說我有被霸凌你相信嗎這就是權傾一時的文化所造成的結果 |
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所以我們面對這個文化的時候,我不會覺得柯責任部長、柯責任署長,我絕對不是來護航但是我們坐在這個位置,擔任這個角色,我們能做什麼?我覺得你要一肩扛起如果有人說要請你辭職,我倒是覺得你要一肩扛起待事情到一段的程度之後,再來面對我們能夠作為一個政治工作者,能改善多少,都是我們作為一個政治工作者的一個責任 |
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我舉一個例子來說你早上說要重新檢討我相信是承擔責任的重新開始我希望你用最快的時間裡頭來重新面對社會的認知此外呢我也調過衛福委員會曾經在109年、110年、11年的時候都有職場霸凌的專報那時候依照職安法的時候提出一個執行職務遭受不法侵害的預防指引 |
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提出這個指引當中我特別去看他還有寫到說要對於受害人應提供立即性、持續性及支持性的保護措施我想請問你無性員工這件事情有受到這樣的保護措施嗎?在你的認知當中?沒有這還是勞動部自行公佈的這還是勞動部自行公佈的好我們再來看看 |
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人事總處的時候曾經發文要求各部會當中要有員工職場霸凌防治與處理作業要點我在網路上看看到的只有教育部我沒有看到勞動部我想請問一下勞動部有嗎人事總處就是說我們連制度上面對這種霸凌文化的一個 |
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整治的時候我們都如此怠惰好 我再跟您說我們如果從制度面來說的話日本在2019年的時候勞動施策綜合推進法納入這個霸凌的這個規定也就有一個事前的預防跟事後的立即因應特別強調僱主有義務及責任因應及防範職場霸凌這也就俗稱的職場霸凌防治法 |
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可是呢我們台灣目前為止都還是停留在指導行政命令部長我慎重的請教你你認為這個指導命令有沒有需要法制化的空間有沒有需要法制化的可能早上我有回答對我需要你認為需要有法制化的空間法制化的回答在這個整個也就是說你願意來推動這個職場霸凌法 |
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是不是專法或許可以再討論是不是專法或許是但是如果專法是展現決心個別條文的這個法制化也是另一種展現問題是不是能夠防治啊所以我是覺得你趁這個事件當中應該對外宣示講得很清楚勞動部願意從這個事件當中痛定思痛徹底檢討 |
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從勞動部本身就要去除掉這個職場霸凌的文化用最嚴格的標準來檢驗自己用最嚴格的標準來做為示範部長當然當然這是一定要的我希望你的眼淚可以化為力量我們期待這制度文化可以改變謝謝 |
| IVOD_ID |
157203 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157203 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-26-9 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-20T13:51:43+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-20T13:56:52+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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