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| 委員名稱 |
蘇清泉 |
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| 會議時間 |
2024-11-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第9次全體委員會議（事由：邀請勞動部部長、銓敘部、國防部、內政部警政署、內政部消防署、行政院人事行政總處、考試院、公務人員保障暨培訓委員會、教育部及國家科學及技術委員會就「職場霸凌防治與處理作業」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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好 謝謝主席 我請國防部次長 楊次長好 請國防部次長次長 所有人好我給部長寫下一個啦 我看他是店嘛有人說這個案件是洪仲修的2.0版 |
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你們那個國防部以前洪仲秋這個案子我很注意那個書叫做不當管教不當管教後來檢調查了是我們指揮官也被拔掉了所以你對於勞動部這一次的事情 |
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你的看法怎麼樣?報告召委,這個勞動部的這個事情我實在是不便發表個人的在這個地方發表個人的看法但是對於洪仲秋這個事情的確是一個令人遺憾的事情那國防部對這個事情發生之後我們也做了相關的檢討那不管是司法調查或是我們自己內部調查方面都還給這個事情都把這個事情給還原了把這個事情的真相給釐清了那跟召委報告 |
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我們軍中還有我們警察、警戒 |
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還有我們的外交部都一直層出不窮傳出很多海外的像橫濱的處長也是自殺身亡那當然跟我們派在那邊的大使有沒有關係大家各說各話然後巴西外館也出問題那警察裡面像屏東也有警察所長跟警員 |
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吵吵鬧鬧什麼都有所以對於這種公務體系的這種失控跟脫序的行為我們軍中看法怎麼樣你們要怎麼做往後怎麼做 |
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這個合理的管教包括委員合理的管教還有這個善待部署照顧官兵這是我們國防部一直在努力的目標那也跟各位委員還有各位委員報告這個軍隊是一個跟民間 |
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或是公部門管理有點區隔的這個管理的方式是有點區隔的因為我們講求的是絕對服從我們的軍人將來在戰場上面一定要執行保國衛民的責任在某種訓練上面我們要講求絕對服從在某種管理上面我們也必須要嚴格有相當的紀律這個要特別跟委員做報告了 |
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我當海軍陸戰隊的我們以前叫合理的叫做 |
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那部長請上來吧 |
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你好你今天剛才曾經霸凌520今天11月20號剛才霸凌霸凌裡面你覺得你自己我看你是盡心盡力啦你自己這樣分手我扒過分我想我不及格啦我承認我不及格我覺得這件事情你的部分我查理 |
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會否發生事情有人向你通報有沒有人通報給你如果你都不知道被資訊被Block掉那你就無理直言那時候知道說這個資訊這個反應有起的那你沒處理那你就你不對了那你感覺你是怎樣你是完全不知道還是 |
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早上一直執行到現在聽太多了聽太多了有的是說他這個分署長肚子很硬什麼不管我有去查啦他的身家背景、他的娘家、他的婆家我已經都查了我那不錯啦我那經濟民情好沒做這個討論沒吃這個討論也沒關係啦也沒關係齁所以在這裡是在表演在做表演就對了 |
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那你如果說你當部長是政務官是要對政策負責那裡面的內控 |
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這些下面反映的事情你是怎麼來接受這些管道或者是如果你沒有再繼續因為太龐大了 人員太多了就一個勞動發展署就包括業聘僱人員就有兩千多人那是很多啊 怕死人喔所有的員額裡面真的公務人員占不到四分之一其他都是業聘僱的 |
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那我們公務體系的業聘僱人員真的養太多了而且那個勞動條件也不太好待遇也不太好像我們食藥署在邊境查驗的資訊都很假的每天都被窮犯在海關那裡寸步難行那我們勞動力發展署這邊或是勞動部這邊如果是有這樣子的話我是覺得要檢討啦 |
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那如果是薪水太低也要給人家高啦那我覺得公務人員齁我這裡要跟大家肯定啦大家都磕磕磕磕到要死啊磕磕磕到要死要來這裡上這個班齁那薪水也不在外面啦在外在醫療這個空間這薪水實在是無關啦齁 |
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每天在那裡拖廊我就覺得很不捨很不捨我看健保署裡面那些員工也都是蠻累的也不能申請加班費我們在外面的財團法院或社團法院的醫院那個申請加班是沒有人敢擋的 |
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那你們勞動部是在要求人家的職業安全條件的結果你們裡面都是過勞三更半夜在發LINE我不敢三更半夜給我們的員工發LINE我怕人家給我投訴你這樣三個半夜發LINE亂搞一通然後還要十分鐘回覆有這種事嗎 部長 |
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所以這個心理教育因為這個文書黨本身我看是念社工的嘛 |
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是劣色功德應該同理心很強齁所以我看你要整個系統要檢討啦當然那是系統的問題為你的次長、為你的署長都要一個一個檢討整個系統要檢查不然的話這個還是會出事啦我看還是會出事齁所以今天這樣你自己已經半年半年就任半年齁你自己打不及格我是給你鼓勵啦齁 |
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這次教訓是一個很有意義的教訓我想我出來勞動部我也是第一次進到行政部門 |
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那麼對龐大的官僚體系其實我是陌生的所以我也非常介乘恐懼那麼我期待跟文官之間發展出一個合作友善的關係可是我也忽略了文官體制之間有難以掌控的陋習或者是惡習乃至於我不曾想像的我早上講的 |
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那個邪惡的問題那整個文官體制跟我們當今的民主政治體制之間又存在著非常大的鴻溝跟落差我們的社群網路媒體政治對於我們的文官體制的凌遲跟剝削也是不遑多讓的我親眼看到我的文官 |
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我希望從我這個例子可以提醒大家看到這裡面的問題那我當然 |
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謝謝委員謝謝 |
| IVOD_ID |
157190 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157190 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-26-9 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-20T13:07:57+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-20T13:18:07+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |