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| 委員名稱 |
呂玉玲 |
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12:01:40 - 12:10:51 |
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551 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-11-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第15次全體委員會議（事由：審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分關於經濟部主管：台灣電力股份有限公司、台灣自來水股份有限公司。(詢答)） |
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請呂玉玲委員謝謝主席 請經濟部的郭部長 台電公司的曾董事長委員好 部長 |
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我們賴清德總統曾經說要大力的來發展AI人工的智慧讓我們台灣可以在半導體產業跟AI的產業能夠立足在全世界成為一個科技島當然部長也應該知道不管是我們的半導體還是AI的這個產業都非常需要大量的電但是我們台灣一直是缺電的情形雖然我們執政的政府一直講說沒有缺電但是還是有 |
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停電跟跳電事件頻傳的來發生那尤其是天下雜誌的民調特別有提到有七成的民眾很擔心著台灣是缺電的風險另外有七成的民眾更是支持核電跟再生能源可以同步來一起的來發展尤其是在11月13號賴清德總統跟我們的工業總會特別有在談話中表示說只要新的能源能夠發展 |
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委員：呂玲 |
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報導委員我想您剛才在說這個七成的人擔心我們的電不夠我不知道這個是誰說的不過我在這裡鄭重的跟你報告我剛剛講的就是那個雜誌他們民調出來的結果雜誌民調的對象天下雜誌那你一定要參考你不要忽略到我們社會大眾的觀感好不好是是是謝謝委員這個部分我們當然參考 |
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那我要跟你們報告的是說我們沒有缺電 |
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您有確定還是有頻繁的這個跳電跟停電的問題嗎?所以你們一再的保證又說明來澄清但是民眾還是擔心的所以現在我們要讓我們的成為科技島電就要穩定供電所以我現在要問的部長的問題就是說在我們桃園大潭電廠7號機跟9號機一再的延宕 |
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雖然說有這個九號機已經點火測試了五月測試那八月份也已經閉網了但是現在還沒有拿到能源局的執照還沒有辦法供電所以我們請了民間電廠、麥寮電廠他本來是在這個五月份、六月份的時候就要除役現在要延到明年的11月10號11月份明年的11月份才會來除役 |
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所以這就是因為要補我們缺電的這個缺口嘛是不是 |
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報告委員 不是不是那為什麼他要延後廚藝呢你是說那個麥寮那個是因為麥寮那個是不是台電的公司他是民營的啊他是民營的啊那廚藝的時間是到了啊今年的六月啊民營台電之間有契約時間雖然到了但是容量沒有到供電的容量沒有到你們有一套的說法啦那好我們回來講大潭的七號機跟九號機為什麼一直的延後呢 |
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這個我是不是請 延後兩次囉 是不是請他們來說 王總經理報告委員 之前7號機、9號機延後當然是因為COVID-19的關係還有就是俄羅斯戰爭、缺工等等這些因素 但是目前這兩部機已經都在測試運轉了在測試中 在測試中 所以它平常都會有 9號機 |
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7號機是快的9號機已經在5月份測試了8月份併網了現在是7號機還沒有點火測試所以擔心的是萬一測試不成功的話我們是不是又有缺電的問題不會 因為7號機目前的測試的程序都是一步一步很扎實在進行還沒測試啊 什麼時候測試我說我們都會做局部的一個小的一個 |
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他跟你講了7號機還沒有測試耶9號機測試了還沒發製造我現在問你7號機呢7號機12月初就會點火他測試要成功他失敗的話就沒辦法併網了 |
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請部長、董事長、總經理加強控管整個的期程不要讓民眾有缺電的恐懼 |
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臺電的先請回那我們講完電當然要講水那自來水的問題一直有這個漏水的問題跟管線老舊塑膠管線要太舊換新的問題尤其是我們李董事長非常認真的在派換這管線但是我們把這個數據啊調出來看了之後你看這個漏水的問題 |
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從各個區 總共有12個區還有加上屏東這些區域我們在平均112年的漏水率平均是12%但是你看到第一區第一區的話是基隆區漏水率是20%屏東區的漏水率還是19%所以這些問題為什麼沒辦法解決呢 |
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我們102年到112年這10年的貸款已經在做了啊做到現在10年了這個貸款率還是沒有完成跟委員報告因為第一區是我們基隆地區啦那他那邊的地形都是丘陵地所以我們建安要佔很多 |
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加壓供水管線就比較容易有破損所以要加強管控這個加壓供水雖然說我們這個老舊管線的汰換是有足年代的汰換但是我們這個看到我們這個數據裡面它這個供水的漏水率還是還是有增加的部分還是有增加的部分是不是你看到在102年到110年這個情形 |
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應該我們漏水率是每個單位都有逐漸在減少所以我們的漏水率的話並不是年限的問題有些的話就是地震或是氣候環境的關係所以我們希望有漏水有爆管的我們就直接換新管好不好不要一直補都沒有用你補的後面的話你加壓下去的話它就會爆管了 |
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尤其是有塑膠管我們塑膠管的話也是逐年汰換但是我們看到我們昨天看到這個塑膠管的情形也是一樣尤其是你看到這個我們的使用年限使用年限的話本來102年是36%的話到了現在112年的話46%這個反而增加了反而增加了這是很奇怪的問題吧 |
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跟委員報告我們現在那個因為塑膠管要使用年限大概20年可是我們逐年都在換啊這必須要逐年減少嘛所以這個是不是預算不足預算不足的話你就多編一些預算啊 |
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是不是?對,我們塑膠管是類為優先來汰換使用年限我們現在使用年限是20年還是30年?要換管的我們塑膠管是20年20年,很多地方超過30年沒換管我相信自來水公司都有數據資料所以可以朝這方面來換管嘛因為它是30年還是塑膠管的話因為20年以上的機會還是塑膠管你塑膠管停電再來電的時候它就會爆管 |
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熱帳人說他就會報館而且塑膠管裡面有很多的誤會的雜誌在裡面是不是所以要優先好不好這是使用年限的問題第二個問題的話就是這個塑膠管的問題塑膠管我沒有看到啦塑膠管雖然你逐年他換的話他有減少部分但是我們希望齁這個一定要按時間來尤其我要提的就是說 |
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很多的社區沒有使用自來水的他們申請的時候請董事長優先給他們換一個社區都是兩三百戶喔他們用黃泥水在飲用因為現在的井水都被汙染了所以請董事長尤其是社區的管線要申請自來水請你們優先給他們使用好不好因為是大的社區可不可以那我們要加強這個太舊換新的管線是不是 預算不足請你編組來好不好好 謝謝 |
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﹗ |
| IVOD_ID |
157173 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157173 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-19-15 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
15 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
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19 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-20T12:01:40+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-20T12:10:51+08:00 |
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