| IVOD_ID |
15717 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/15717 |
| 日期 |
2024-03-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-20-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期財政委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期財政委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-03-13T08:30:45+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-03-13T13:09:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
04:38:15 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/b41997f390c3528ed26331c83256afb85e5a7d9476abbdb33be8d109af184be42e90e79ee25f84675ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-03-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期財政委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院主計總處朱主計長澤民、審計部陳審計長瑞敏率所屬單位主管列席業務報告，並備質詢。
【3月13日及14日二天一次會】） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
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08:30:45 - 13:09:00 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期財政委員會第2次全體委員會議．事由．時間中華民國113年3月4日星期一九時至十二時48分中華民國113年3月7日星期四九時至十二時28分．地點清仙樓九樓大禮堂出席委員林德福等14人列席委員謝一鳳等24人列席官員113年3月4日星期一經常監督管理委員和主任委員黃天牧等113年3月7日星期四財政部部長莊翠雲等 |
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主席郭昭吉委員國文113年3月4日報告事項一宣讀上次會議議事錄決定議事錄確定二邀請金融監督管理委員會黃主任委員天木率所屬機關所長及中央存款保險股份有限公司監管相關機構有關之財團法人臺灣證券交易所股份有限公司臺灣期貨交易所股份有限公司臺灣集中保管結算所股份有限公司等董事長總經理列席業務報告．並備質詢 |
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邀請行政院主計總處朱主計長澤民、審計部陳審計長瑞敏率所屬單位主管列席業務報告．並備質詢宣傳並介紹與會吳秉瑞吳委員林德福林委員行政院主計總處主計長朱澤民主任秘書徐雅琳 |
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綜合規劃處處長李毅君公務預算處長徐永毅基金預算處處長黃淑娟會計決算處處長許一娟綜合統計處處長蔡玉泰國事普查處處長潘寧欣 |
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主計資訊處處長吳淑慧人事處處長游金淳秘書是主任楊滿兒政風是主任陳美倫主計是主任詹英俊審計部審計長陳瑞敏主任秘書詹美玲 |
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第一廳廳長林魯林第二廳廳長葉吟慈第三廳廳長周瓊怡第四廳廳長洪春熙第五廳廳長林建志第六廳廳長李錦長副審事主任陳振庸 |
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審計業務研究委員會執行秘書溫中元審計人員訓練委員會執行秘書許哲元關鍵審計議題發展委員會執行秘書林聖賢資訊處處長邱團寶總務處處長蕭瑞勇 |
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人事室主任黃炳煌、財經室主任王雪林、針鋒室主任倪福華、教育農林審計處處長李香美、交通建設審計處處長李奕勳、 |
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另外有關臺北市、桃園、臺中、臺南、高雄、基隆、宜蘭、新竹、苗栗、彰化、南投各區制的主任也都到現場請大家一一瞭解一下 |
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是今日議程安排行政院主計總處及審計部進行業務報告現在請行政院主計總處朱主計長進行業務報告 |
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2137.591 |
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2162.6 |
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主席、各位委員、女士及先生本總署復仇政府預算、會議、會計決算、統計調查及主計資訊業務以下請就重要業務辦理情形提出報告進行各位委員先進指教就預算第一項就預算業務偶演第一項是有關於編制完成113年度中央政府總預算案送請大院審議通過 |
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2171.931 |
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大院在去年12月19日完成三讀審議程序稅入增列160億元改列兩兆7252億元稅出減列299億元改列兩兆8519億元 |
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2206.801 |
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九億元稅入稅出差短一千兩百六十七億連同債務還本一千一百五十億合共供需融資調度兩千四百一十七億元以解借債務一千五百七十億元及遺用以前沿途稅金剩餘八百四十六億元於米瓶而且已經在已經後總統於本年一月八號公布第二個編制完成 |
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2231.853 |
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一百一十三年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位審議附屬單位預算及中計表送請大院審議總收入六兆八千零七十四億元總支出六兆七千六百三十四億元淨利剩餘四百四十億元及繳戶兩千五百七十億元並以七年八月三十一日隨同總預算案 |
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2256.772 |
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送請大院審議期盼大院能緊迫完成審議接著就會計決算業務來看已經會編112年度中央政府總決算及附屬單位決算及中計表編制完成中央政府嚴重特殊傳染性肺炎防治及紓困振興特別預算以上各個 |
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2264.05 |
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這個決算以上過決算都按照程序完成另外一個有關於 |
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2266.459 |
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2279.206 |
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這個所謂的會員特別預算已經在本年1月15號審計部完整審定審定稅入增額19億元稅出8348億元相比以後短處8329億元以舉借債務8029億元及一用以前年度稅據300億元每平第二個按照既有的程序 |
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做內部控制兼監督機制是促使內部控制實質有效協助順利達成施政目標第三個統計調查業務辦理國民所得統計110歐年度的經濟成長率初步預估是1.331% |
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至於今年的經濟成長率的話這個是怎麼樣因為民間消費隨就業市場持續改善薪資提升推升家庭口自備手足以及股市創高的財富效果加上國人旅遊肉草延續國安維繫消費功能預測113年度國內經濟成長是3.43%第二 辦理物價統計 |
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一百一十九年度的漲幅是百分之二點四九 |
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2365.751 |
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去年消費的物價指數CPI叫110年度漲百分之二點四九主要是因為食物類的上漲以及外食會的房租以及肉類的上漲原因那這個是 |
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那本年一到二月的那個CPI是較去年的上漲這個是百分之二點三主要因為食物類及房住的一個漲勢這個延續醫療費用也漲以及娛樂服務業因需求仍然上漲所致 |
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第3個是辦理社會保障支出統計本總是巡禮於現年底編佈111年度社會保障支出統計社會保障支出統計是兩兆5340歐億元占GDP11.2%平均每人是10.9萬元較110年度增加1181億元獲得增加4.9% |
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接著是第4個是辦理人力供需各項抽樣調查為掌握這個就業失業薪資的人力供需我們巡禮做這個各項的調查113年度1月份的就業人數是1158.7萬元較112年度增加11.6萬元失業人數39.7萬元年減1.9萬元失業率是3.31年降0.19個百分點 |
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2489.154 |
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第5個是辦理基本公司調查到那這個109的農林榆木普查的總報告以及109年度的那個人口及住宅身心障礙的及原住民長治人口的補充報告110年度這個是工業及服務業普查目前已按照進程編制總報告而且規劃114年度農林榆木業普查的構想及方案 |
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第4個就主計資訊業務偶然巡力辦理中央及地方相關預算會計資訊系統業務第二個辦理統計普查及資料開放等業務本總書開放的預決算及統計等資料累計有1868項上線後總共有230萬 |
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2515.942 |
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2540.64 |
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230萬餘人次瀏覽16萬人下載另外一個是辦理經費結報系統資訊業務目前已經推廣到448個機關使用那大院第10屆第8會期貴委員會會議的主辦事項都已經會後答覆共9項均已答覆貴委員會及相關委員會在以上報告進行 |
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2544.303 |
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委員你是先生鼎力之子謝謝 |
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2566.465 |
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2591.172 |
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主席、各位委員、理事先生今天應邀列席貴委員會報告審計部的業務概括祝感榮幸本部依法掌理政府及所屬機關財務主審計多年來陳明大院委員的注重與鼓勵各項審計工作均能按照計畫執行藉此競表由衷的感謝113年度依法分別審核中央和地方機關 |
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共有7953個機關單位收租金額2兆、25兆、9100億元一、112年度中央AEU辦理情形年度總結算之審核一百一十年度中央政府總結算及副主單位結算、綜計表、中央前瞻基礎建設特別、第三期特別結算 |
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2619.463 |
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2640.662 |
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及傳染性肺炎防治及失控進行特別決算本部於一憲法第105條規定期限完成審查直轄市及縣市政府112年度的總決算特別決算一經各地方審計處事在法定期限內完成審核提出之重要審核意見2398項 |
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2644.751 |
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2661.277 |
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半年結算報告的查核本部及所屬各地方政府各地方審計處查核中央及族俠室上半年的112年上半年預算族群提取重要審核意見55項 |
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2675.916 |
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順其綜合績效、順著各機關110年度決算及特別決算、經過修正稅入收入決算即增列60億元減列44億元修正稅出租出決算即增列24億元減列50億元 |
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2687.472 |
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2707.958 |
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二、績效性損盡。考核各機關之績效,否有未盡主者,效能各低。報告兼查案者65案,提出重要建議改善意見於各機關者240項,認為可提升效能和增進公共利益,提出建議意見808項。三、稽查財務上之違修。報請兼查案處理者11案,移送司法機關遵辦者6案。 |
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2716.343 |
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2741.496 |
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通知各機關查明處理者一百案涉及刑事案件與送書法單位者辦理者一百三十五案三、更系強化監督、動查前瞻核心主領及創新價值四、更系推展公民參與以強化諸行專家協助近三年已完成專家諸行四百二十九次 |
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2743.198 |
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2772.148 |
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公開徵詢民眾意見近3年徵詢建設87件3.透過網站主動提供審計資訊近3年發佈154次1649則五更系優化中央政府總協算報告順化除夕順化重要施政議題的查核專章專章揭露行政機關優良食物 |
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2773.93 |
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2794.197 |
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6.導致新興多元資訊科技推轉數位發展導致新興資訊科技三維建物圖書、電信人口信用資料、地址指揮碼等新興通訊技術提升審計效率建築數位審計模組3.支援行政審計行動辦公服務7.加強審計賠率賀值專業發展資本112年度 |
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2814.897 |
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平均每位審計人員接受108小時訓練、策進數位住址學習、113日審計工作的重點根據加強辦理重大輸政計畫及攸關民生議題之審計加強查核政府推動打擊詐欺、氣候變遷調適、因應超高齡社會對策 |
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2831.73 |
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2859.375 |
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及交通安全改善等政策執行情形加強特別預算之執行之審計一、中央前瞻基礎建設特別預算執行情形的查核二、中央政府新式戰機採購及海攻戰力提升計畫採購特別預算執行的查核三、中央政府育後強化經濟及社會認証及全民共享經濟成果特別預算執行之查核 |
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2860.831 |
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2886.719 |
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三更加強辦理特種公務成效之準據加強非營業特種基金之運作效能之查核一百一十三年度專案政府設有一百零四個非營業特種基金總數之六兆九千億元固定資產建設改良及合同預算一千多億元本部當積極審核業務計劃執行情形及與營運效能 |
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2892.492 |
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是加強國營事業效能之考核一百一十三年度預算案總收租六兆六千億餘元其執行力量以優先顧事業經營成效及國家未來經濟發展本部將加強查核是重大公共建設計畫一百一十二年編列五千八百億元本部將持續加強 |
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2916.756 |
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2938.424 |
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查核中大公共建設計畫執行執行6加強政府推動數位建設及數位轉型執行之查核促請提升數位政策推動效率與效能7加強地方政府財政管理之審計截至112年度各縣市政府1年以上及101年公共債務已有實際數7574億元 |
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2946.704 |
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2962.189 |
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本部加強地方稅制稅資預算族群及公共債務管理之查核三大約第10屆第8會期各處會議中委員提出口頭事變族群事項共65項其中因事變達戶走27項 |
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2965.63 |
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2993.105 |
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．韓報．大宴財政與相關委員及相關委員．以38項列為研究辦理及審核參考．是審計工作的主要目的．在促使政府建前財務秩序．匡正財務紀律增進財務效能．以協助國家良善助理．補不當儲蓄．加強推動各項審計業務．善計審計組織．以上報告．僅請主席、各位委員、理事、先生、主教．謝謝 |
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2994.625 |
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3010.402 |
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好謝謝陳審計長開始詢答每委員8分鐘必要延長2分鐘列席委員5分鐘繼續上午10時截止發言登記第一位請林德福林委員質詢 |
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3027.872 |
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謝謝謝謝主席是不是請朱主計長朱主計長委員你好主席你好我請教因為總統大選過後那內閣已經進入開手的階段那總統當選人賴清德對內閣人士應該是有展開在佈局啦主席長 |
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3050.151 |
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3063.249 |
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媒體對你的去留啊有所評論你自己也有定見那我請問你近20年來這個在公務生涯的你的觀察為什麼經濟成長沒有辦法 |
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3065.672 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
3085.389 |
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完全轉嫁到薪資捏因您的看法跟那個委員報告這個跟那個產業結構有關係跟產業結構有關係因為我們的是一方面是在往高的科技阿高的科技業他們的薪資所以說因為高科技帶動那其他很多那些一般的那些產業阿沒有拉上來 |
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3111.733 |
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就是那一個的話就是我們可能要利用各種措施像最低工資的提高啦各種的那個把他的那個經營的環境變好啦甚至提供一些社會福利措施因為沒有轉嫁到這些薪資上面甚至連比例分配都有難度那台灣人均GDP在2022年超過南韓 |
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這是20年來的首見是2022年但是2023年又被南韓反超那主計總處的官員表示按照台韓今年的經濟成長預測的推估 |
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今年台灣人均有機會再度超車南韓我們沒有做這個估計今天委員報告一下因為台灣跟韓國以前是我們第一韓國很多最近我們跟韓國是非常接近受影響的在這邊說什麼超越南海只要是看匯率的因素 |
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那個前年我們匯率是貶值比較小去年相對於貶值比韓國多所以會有那個差距那我們是應該跟自己比較那我們的經濟成長率最近幾年來平均都比韓國高主計長去年人均GDP換算新台幣將近92萬那請問你認為國人的薪資有多少百分比可以達標 |
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可以達標主席長大家看得到政府數字的經濟成長多數人的薪水啊 |
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真的是跟不上落後一大截那請問多數人薪資水準低GDP數字所呈現出的這些消費水準高那請問主計長對比數字和實際薪資所得的水平啊難道你不覺得邏輯不通嗎荒謬至極嗎 |
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那個沒有邏輯不通啦是說因為他的分配的話因為有些剛才講過剛才委員有提到有些成長比較高有些成長比較多所以我們就應該是用剛才我一直講強調的要用那個從分配的政策提高社會福利的支出而且也應該是做一些那個所謂的低收入戶的一些補助主計長 |
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議後通膨的控制似乎有成效但是面對高物價難降的這些多數百姓都是苦不堪言他們痛苦指數一直在飆高在520新任總統就職之前舊政府準備電價無差別的調漲的大禮那主計總處認為CPI有影響但是多數民眾憂心的是 |
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三餐又要面臨漲價的機率是很高的主計長面對高物價政府無力來控制面對電價的調漲政府表示要反映成本那準備對全民兩手一攤大有藏定了的心態 |
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主計長你認為民眾對經濟成長數字能有多少的期待呢跟那個委員報告一下您剛才有提到說那個台電據我知道他們初步的一個規劃並不是說無差別的成長還是就是說 |
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大戶可能成長多一般的小戶可能成長低還是有差別的有差別但是你看其實最近你看那些包括券保甚至於掛號可以讓各醫院就是自己來調那裡包括店家要調其實最近尤其這些外食族他們真的是 |
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痛苦指數一直在飆高 |
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對,我們跟委員報告一下我們的基本工資每年大概蔡總統就任以來每年都有調升基本工資每年都有調升而且公務人員的薪水到這個8年來也調了大概11%相對於以前只有8年只調3%調基本工資對外勞是最有利的啦 |
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那其實對本勞齁講實在話他要負擔家庭齁那你現在所有的物價都一直要往上調往上爬那講實在話我剛剛一直在強調他們的痛苦指數真的一直在飆高因為你知道你調基本工資 |
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最得力的就是那些外勞嘛對不對因為很多國外的他們本來他們就沒有那種就是外勞所有的那些我不是歧視他們喔我是說因為你沒有把這些工資拉到跟物價水準可以來比那造成說物價一直在調但是薪資沒有調那造成我本來可以買可能麵包買10個現在可能只買6個5個 |
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所以說這個就是痛苦指數會飆高啊那個主計長你們身為中央的官員要體恤啊這些基層的老百姓啊真的啊 |
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主席長 |
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當然知道 |
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知道不知道? |
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知道甚至於我自己去買那個芭樂啊 欸 前一陣子齁 一斤芭樂 欸 69 79 這樣子勒 那個芭樂啊 是因為去年喔 下半年那個雨季的原因 下雨的一個雨季 颱風的原因到 那個芭樂是有 是有那個 我看了真的嚇了一跳啊 芭樂香蕉跟那個 香蕉也是啊 鳳梨啦都有都有高 你知道齁 |
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所以說很多外食族他們要吃個水果都很困難講實在話 |
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因為另外一個芭樂去年也比較低 過去你像香蕉有多20塊 對不對芭樂也差不多20塊 你要飆到將近70塊 對不對 那些當然他們買不起痛苦指數就一直在飆啊 那個跟委員報告一下目前是水果的價格是比去年高可是蔬菜現在都已經跌幅很大蔬菜 蔬菜跌幅很大 |
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所以說多吃蔬菜少吃水果是不是沒有這個意思啦我這是要平衡的啦照你的意思就是說蔬菜多吃水果少吃嘛對不對其實齁主計長要爭議來考量那個 |
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主計長經濟學人智庫EIU的報告指出紅海危機已經對亞洲出口的貿易造成有重大的衝擊內容並下修今年的亞洲經濟增長率預估至少0.2% |
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那請問主計長就您的了解經濟學能報告對鴻海危機的預估你認為台灣是不是能夠置身事外跟那個委員報告一下那個不同的機構有不同的估計但是有些機構他們認為是說今年的成長率會比他們上一次預估的是增加了0.2個百分點不同的機構有估計 |
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就是一估至少整個經濟成長至少會影響到百分之零點二的指數嗎是不是是增加那你認為 |
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這個用什麼方法能夠降低損失進而縮小對臺灣GDP的衝擊有沒有辦法那個那個黃海危機的話就是說我們的船隻通過當然一方面應該有保險嘛對不對另外一個方面我們也應該分 |
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謝謝 下一位歡迎請吳秉瑞委員謝謝 |
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主席麻煩請朱主計長請朱主計長委員早早主委長今天你的報告裡面都各方面談到我前幾天在網路上看到這個總體經濟學的學者是的他也在講這個CPI是的他的闡述說一個國家也不能夠CPI是不上漲的 |
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像日本失落了30年他的CPI有的時候不漲反跌反而是對經濟不健康他的講法大概說一個國家正常的CPI年增率大概是兩個百分點左右算是健康他這樣的講法不知道你認不認同 |
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這個是很多國家都認為如果是那個CPI一直是在很低或者是那個所謂的那個是甚至往下的話那個有些人認為是有通貨緊縮的現象中國現在就是通貨緊縮啊很嚴重啊現在中國大陸就是香港前些時候也是 |
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那2%的CPI你認不認同他說2%算健康的他認為低於1%就已經不健康了更不要講說minus當然他也認為不能高啦高過3%他也是認為那就通貨膨脹啦 |
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事實上我們前年111年是2.95去年是2.49今年我們沒有考慮電價的話是預計大概是1.85考慮電價的話可能接近那個是我們認為是說並沒有所謂外界所謂有所謂的通膨的現象 |
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那剛剛你就順帶就是講到電價的問題電價如果假設你剛剛講的我有在聽喔很認真聽說對於這一些大戶跟一般的民生用電可能將來政府在考慮的時候所上漲的頻率是不一樣的 |
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對所上漲的幅度不一樣對於一般民事用戶或者是小店戶的話據我知道他們規劃的方向是用漲幅比較低對於大戶尤其對外銷是比重很大的我舉一個例子大家都說台灣的護國神山台積電台積電大概是佔台灣用電的8個百分點 |
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對的確他們大概一年的用電大概181度181度甚至到200億度啦那現在一個問題是台積電這麼賺錢啊台積電一年幾乎賺一兆台幣銀魚啦幾乎啦那 |
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我們的電價是工業用電一樣民生用電一樣都是等於是在補貼的狀況啊現在的成本如果照台電的說法是一度大概是4塊左右4塊多一點但是大額的工業用電啊3塊3毛錢那是調帳之後希望能夠接近成本因為我想 |
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整個國家用台電政府無論是用補貼或是用增資都是用公共的預算結果這個錢拿來補貼這種獲取非常高利利潤的這個公司台積電這麼賺錢當然很了不起他的科技發展也非常了不起這個我們都非常稱讚但是他既然這麼賺錢 |
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就不應該電價再由全民來給他買單了這樣的觀念不知道你贊不贊成的確是像委員所講的事實上台積電他們也很努力在節電也很努力的在這綠能也是購買那些綠能的他節電在綠能我贊成對他公司也有益 |
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但是我的意思是說像這樣子的超高壓的用戶可能還要再區分他的公司是很賺錢的是在現在走在產業的時代的尖端的跟剛剛講到已經在跟這個中國很大量產能輸出導致在做鴻海競爭這是另外一個鴻海競爭我說的這是競爭的鴻海 |
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像舉一個例子中鋼他如果不去改變他的體質繼續做大量的鋼材光中國那個鋼的產量啊 |
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要把他壓死對不對那中鋼一樣也是用電量很高的公司阿對事實上據我了解到那個是他們是有分那個所謂的一個情況就是說越大的越賺錢的越不應該得到補貼啦 |
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﹝廣告 |
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要來去跟臺電這樣要去給他補貼的話我講的是補貼不是增資吼 補貼更要去照顧到民生還有小店鋪還有這個用電量比較小的這些消費者像聚焦的用電他佔價的比例應該相對英國政府的補貼而把它壓低啊 |
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對於那個是小規模的那個是那個店鋪的我們他們都有做一個規規規劃這是店的問題那兩年前幾乎是4月在這邊跟你請教那個時候 |
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對於這個國中小的營養午餐那補助費用的拉高嘛一般是拉到10塊但是偏鄉是拉到14塊那這兩年來你剛剛講CPI有2.9級的有2.6級的加在一起又超過了5%的CPI在這樣的話這個食物類都是上漲的比例 |
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對那個補助金額我們可能要由那個是教育部跟那個那個農委會的那個單價他們因為比較熟悉事實上我們有6塊 |
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議員議員議員議員 |
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我非常贊成陳代理部長有公 |
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他有一個構想讓隨身的營養的能夠那個品質更深的提高對啊尤其最近台灣這個食安風暴還有系統性的會議從中國進來的東西就是很有問題啊從以前又一直講像中國那個國家都最不重視食安了就一堆人千人要去抱中國的大腿 |
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又搞了這個東西讓大家是惶惶不安啦最近的這一個什麼蘇丹紅事件啊也是百思不爽同樣的都是同樣的狀況再來我就是再問一個你的報告裡面所點的東西啊台灣這兩三年來的超額儲蓄率都很高今年你有預估超額儲蓄率甚至會到3.8兆 |
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對,跟那個委員報告一下 |
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事實上超額持續有那個國民所得的很等式的話他超額持續是指持續大於投資事實上S減I就是等於出口減進口所以我們只要有那個出口的順差越多我們的超額持續就越多新加坡也是這樣子我看那個瑞士他們也也都是這樣子將來我們的附加價值越多那個出口順差越多超額持續就越多不過這邊的一個 |
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通常有些投資要把金融投資也應該算算到裡面去就是說他有 |
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實質的投資就是機器、廠房、設備不夠可是那些錢他要去運用就像我們的外匯存底去買美國的一些所謂的公債同樣是有賺起外匯所以說我們除了實質投資以外金融投資也應該努力新加坡有很高的超額儲蓄 |
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可是他的金融理財也很好類似也是這個樣子但是我們的法令的保守程度沒有辦法像他那麼open那我因為時間很短我現在最後一個問題跟你強調一下小弟在立法院從開始到現在已經經過20年了 |
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我們政府的公共建設支出的預算早年比例是比較高的到前幾年變得很低這幾年又慢慢恢復出來因為有特別預算嘛有前瞻基礎建設嘛那我的意思是說在財政如果你的財政 |
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假設我們每一年的稅收真的都超過預算數那麼多的話也要有一部分拿來做公共建設的投資啊這一部分是提醒你啊那這樣的話希望把這個 |
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院會的時候也可以 如果有意見溝通的時候也可以表達謝謝你 感謝 努力 |
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謝謝主席呃我我我換個順序好了今天審計長來這裡都沒有表現審計長先來啊陳審計長委員好 |
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主計跟審計其實都相對冷門啊但是但是好像你又比主計更冷門一點但事實上你比主計更重要來我們先看一個你的報告你的報告呢100就在113年度你看111年度你就針對一個叫做政府推動重要社會發展計畫執行情形 |
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然後這裡面身心障礙兒少的受虐比例持續的攀升大概每一年身心障礙的兒少本身是candid cap身心障礙那大概每年大概1000個1000個受虐 |
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身心障礙的兒少有多少呢大概5.2萬人左右身心障礙的兒少5.2萬但是狩獵的1000人每年一直成長這是你的報告圖表已經就不列了齁我都是根據你的報告來的齁那我給你個數字一般的一般的我們台灣全國的兒童狩獵有多少人一年 |
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你知道嗎?大概1萬人左右,超過1萬人所以大概每10萬人40個左右就受虐了一般的不是只有身心障礙的受虐這個數字你已經提出了你的報告在113年上個月2月17號你講的父或者母20歲 |
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的6歲以下兒童也就是這個6歲以下的兒童他的爸爸媽媽是沒有滿20歲沒有滿20歲的弱勢兒童主動關懷方案這是衛生部提出來的為人弱勢辦理啊你得修理衛生部啊跟衛生部提這個6歲以下的 |
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若是兒童的一個照顧沒有若是辦理行情、衛務部研磨改善我把這兩個都是你的報告你的一個審計報告我今天等於讓你表演一下表現一下 |
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你對衛福部有什麼進一步的要求?最近衛福部得頂了饅頭包、竹端籠使得安全然後又來一個受虐偶的事情都是轟動整個社會兩大事件衛福部就一路擺爛等於是一個看守政府現在變成無政府動態的一個標竿就是衛福部來你講一下 |
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衛福部的業務阿相當的複雜 都關係到人民 你的業務也很複雜欸 你的業務也很複雜啦 你的業務也很複雜欸 我的業務是在後面 他的衛福部的業務在前面 所以他受到的衝擊會比較大 所以我們都會提醒他 這個地方尤其很熱術的地方 |
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他還答覆我說我提醒他我們要做注意對這個民眾會產生以後會產生一些社會問題所以我們都會提醒 |
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他有沒有報告給你啊他會他會他會這個結果發生了你看二月十七經歷不到一個月一個月的時間發生這個劣童案就代表他執行的不徹底啊因為我們的二月二十七的一件鋼器他可能還在在整個還有針對蘇丹隆的事情你有沒有利益 |
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列案去管有沒有蘇丹宏的事情113年度啊對蘇丹宏他因為關係到民眾民眾很大會前面調查蘇丹宏你要專案調查蘇丹宏我們有立案專案調查不只蘇丹宏我們整個還要什麼還要什麼列專案還要什麼來來來整個蘇平安全喔整個天安部整個天安部啦你要講還要什麼 |
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那你們現在查到蘇丹鴻最大的問題在哪裡?不是個案啦,是全面啦,大家都這麼丟 |
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大概我會6、7月會做會整個查完查完會寫報告大概我會寫在我的112年的審核報告裡面 |
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7月份你的針對蘇丹紅一定出來蘇丹紅我們會順便瞭解不是順便瞭解啊 專案瞭解啦現在大家全民大家說你串到要死了好 這個委員這樣都要求我們趙委員的意思7月 |
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我們會有一個報告出來六月底以前啦六月底前一個報告出來齁其實老是有六月底我都不能立了這個陳建能工一個月就可以結束了我們是做的系統性的查核會比較複雜一點齁好 謝謝我們再請那個朱主計長朱主計長喂啦朱主計長 |
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你接受媒體專訪的時候我沒有接受專訪啊媒體訪問你說你說確定不做了沒有他們我是在上次國民所託評審會的時候我說也有可能是最後一次對喔所以現在撬回來喔所以現在撬回來我沒有說可能的我的我的派令只到5月19號跟委員報告 |
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沒有任何人沒有任何人跟我提未來做不做然後我在這邊講說我不做我不做那個好像太矯情了謝謝 |
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啊萬里真的找你做勒?啊?萬里真的找你做勒?對我覺得我這8年呢已經該休息了中華民國有很多人失火之後你像我們下面就一堆了的人 |
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所以你可以講enough is enough夠了是不是enough is enough對對對enough enough這個同意喔那個是我當然好了我先回家當然有另外一個解讀啦阿你也知道我不是有另外一個解讀是說你以退為進說主計長我不要做了阿你要再做其他的官我可能就要做了財政部長要做就對了拜託我要進到哪邊去財政部長阿可以 |
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財政部那個那個那個有更有能力的人這個東西這個老師講的是提到一個事情了 |
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這個CPI、GDP大家都問我這個只有點一個你每一次預估都比其他的比如說你預估的央行比INF都樂觀跟那個委員報告一下在同一個時間點每一個都一樣因為我們預估的比較早他們就在後面修正所以他看起來好像所以他們比較準你比較不準 |
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他們比較準你比較準我比他早一個月預估所以比較不準所以比較不準所以是說因為那個是怎麼掌握的事實掌握的事實比較多謝謝所以你比較不準的地方沒有沒有我比較他如果說跟我同同一個時候預估的話我們就沒有說什麼我請教你啊那個 |
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前瞻現在還剩多少錢前瞻的話如果第4期結束好像是上不是好像就是剩下幾百零四億元金融底就結束了嗎沒有沒有沒有要到今年8月還是7月對對對今年7月8月結束對對對對對所以700億就繳酷了明年明年7月8月對不對明年你告訴我請坐喔明年7月8月對對對 |
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那到底是什麼哪一方面執行落後怎麼會還是7、8月沒有沒有前瞻沒有落後因為本來就是最後就是大概8個月就是本來他前瞻不是從蔡政府第一天任期就開始做是到7、8月才做的那你有沒有鼓勵其他的人趕快來申請現在也可以申請嗎 |
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那個700億還沒有還沒有定案啊這將來是有過不去的就是有700億還沒有申請的嘛就這樣過不去對啦那個是那個是要他過不去哪個項目比較多沒有哪個項目我們是看需求的情況而定 |
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而是哪一個部會可以申請那個事是什麼那個前瞻基礎建設裡面有說那個八項都只要符合前瞻基礎建設裡面的那個八項都可以申請好最後一個跟你講一個很嚴重很嚴肅的問題 |
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台電資本額原來在113年1月3300億我們立法院通過給他1500億所以變4800那今年又增加1000等於要5800然後呢我請問你以後 |
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經濟啊那個退稅的我們給500億對不對對500億不是資本不是增資喔補貼燃料費用對對對不對好了他現在1月23號上上個月他到行政院開會沒有在嘛對不對 |
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你知道嗎?我忘記了我還在忘記,你知道嗎?拜託他向陳奎陳俊仁報告台電的說要再爭取一千億的補貼不是爭之後他現在資本額已經五千八加億後給他五百億現在又增加一千億 |
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陳建民指示主計總處趕快核算你核算結果怎麼樣那個是他們的一個討論的過程的阿討論的過程最後的要看那個經濟部提來的方案是多少我們才能夠做決定阿你要不要他說如果爭取不到一千億的補貼就要大幅漲電價台電恐嚇你台電恐嚇你恐嚇全民 |
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那個所謂的大壺漲電價都我們相對於其他國家比較起來那個是小壺是小壺10%是小壺嗎10%是小壺我不曉得是10%我不曉得是10%現在聽到是11%啦齁我沒有聽到過10%11%阿媒體不看媒體才11%阿媒體我不曉得是11%媒體認識的是嗎我沒有看到方案我沒有看到方案沒有沒有我要跟你提醒一點喔 |
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臺電我們一直給他增資一直給他增資然後呢給他補貼日後經濟給他補貼五百現在跟你要一千還要漲價臺電幹麼又要你煮 |
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對不對剛才委員提得很好啊 吳平委員提得很好啊 像台積電經燙得這麼多 股票一直漲 結果他用的電用的都是台電虧本賣給他的電 這個東西老實講要區別嘛 我跟委員報告一下 台積電也很努力的節能以及做綠能 綠電賣綠電賣綠電 |
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我要請到最後一個小問題讓我知道一下臺電這樣子一直增值下來以後臺電有1萬個左右的小股東大部分都是臺電的員工家屬買的變成幣值啊委員跟那個委員您應該知道您臨演氣管的增值跟那個補貼最後淨值都一樣 |
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什麼意思我聽不懂你真知是在補充權益裡面那個所謂的補貼是用未分配言語或者是他補貼以後就賣掉補貼要當費用用掉了現在沒有誰跟你扯這個沒找時間來跟我討論這個問題你這個亂講一套的這個沒有沒有委員你看看你以前寫的書就知道謝謝你了好謝謝 |
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下一位質詢請郭國文、郭昭偉主席有請陳審計長跟朱主計長陳審計長還有朱主計長,我先問審計長朱主計長審計長 |
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委員長我先問審計長審計長最近台中市政府左手賣土地右手又降稅之前他在109年的時候降了公告地價20.06%本期給他出估一下一年的稅收至少少收了17億多這8年至少少收136億然後又說沒有錢所以說他要賣土地今年又賣了86億 |
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如果再加上之前的話他總共已經賣出1750億超過的土地這一頭有一個問題啊 省議長你有沒有去想一想啊 這個土地的處分方式難道只有販售而已嗎 |
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省議長請說 |
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這個部分我們多多少少都在瞭解多多少少都在瞭解我看到底多還是少啊對阿對阿多多少少的瞭解監察院他們的誠意整個把這個土地都收了你要審計部啊你要跟我扯到監察院我現在問你啊你到底有沒有統計啊這個部分我們在歸納啊歸納我有問你你才會歸納那你平常都沒有在歸納 |
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我就問你嘛,你手頭上有沒有3年以來地方政府出售土地的方式、比例、坪數、價格對社會所造成的影響有沒有?這個部分沒有沒有,對啊就是沒有嘛所以多多少少 |
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就是都夠按剛剛委員提醒我要有整體性對站在審計部的高位當中你要去思考這樣的土地處理方式只有單一的販售土地是不是有土地特定對象的一個嫌疑或帶動地方的這個土地的炒作的可能台中市政府做一個非常錯誤的範例 |
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該收的稅金他不收他要當好人然後結果就會販售土地搞不好A土地B土地賣了A土地帶動了B土地的價格你有沒有去思考這個問題 |
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所以,市長,那你怎麼處理這些問題?這接著你有沒有可能,好,你都沒有做統計的話,那本席要求你啊,你看要做這3年來或5年來地方政府處理土地的這個坪數,還有方式,還有金額,到底是造成什麼樣的社會影響,可不可以做一份報告給本席?可以,這個委員的建議非常的好。然後呢?就做啊。多久啊? |
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這個因為是前面性的你給我一點時間一個月可以不可以一個月什麼太少太少了一個半月一個半月一個半月可以不差不多要六月底六月底啦太久了吧六月底現在三月因為他解決一個事情我們還是要深入兩個月然後連同改善的方式也都幫我處理出來好不好 |
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有關於前三、五期的部分本期問你會不會編? |
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目前並沒有說不編目前並沒有說不編目前也沒有說要編那應該按照正常的是要編正常應該要編因為那個前瞻的那個條例就已經講說是8400億對8400億我們還有700億嘛到明年的8月還有700億嘛對704億對還有這個704億嘛然後聽說是不是孤立什麼520的狀況 |
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所以說到現在還沒有排版定案沒有啦 這個本來就應該要編了嘛例行性的八個項目都要編啦但是本席要提醒你一個部分喔 是的過往因為地方的這個財政問題配合款的問題或諸多計畫提出的問題的結果變成有特定的縣市別拿到比較多的前瞻預算你有沒有做過這種統計 |
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我們在那個構憲室的那個分配我們有我們可以移分資料給委員我跟你講不用本期大概稍微了解了過我們一直強調所謂的南北平衡但事實上呢就結果來說呢其實只有北高平衡南北哪有平衡大家人們前瞻計畫的軌道運輸都拿了一鍋而已拜託我也不會 |
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對於臺南特別那個 特別不好? |
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因為我就是臺南人啊 我就是臺南人啊 對不對 對啊 你也知道啦 那你又敢說你臺南人是北荷蘭 我算不上你北荷蘭 問題是你也 白鷗水過月給了21號 你也先給我批討一下嘛 白鷗水過月給了21號 總共來說的話 軌道運輸才拿到1億多 我是說你第5期的部分有沒有思考一下 前面4期分配很多 將來不要再來要了可不可以啊 對啊 |
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對,你待會會後你就可以打電話給黃偉哲了 |
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對阿就是這些問題嘛你要考慮到一個區域平衡發展嘛不是誰來申請你就送給他嘛你要考量一下誰拿的比較多誰拿的比較少然後前章計畫8400億都集中在少部分縣市的哪有這種道理對不對是前章的這個目的嗎那個處理長麻煩你注意一下可不可以是這樣應該還有啦還有很多問題要跟你請教齁不敢這個有關於這個CPI的部分齁是的 |
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不要說你跟央行比較啦我就跟你個人這個之前的預估2022年的時候你預估啊2023年的時候啊是1.86那2023年實際值是2.5%所以誤差值大概是25% |
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那明升的CPI今年是降到這個二月的降到3.26但是月購的CPI還是一樣上升到4那今年預估是今年1.64但是我要跟您提醒的是說目前的這個相關的這個外國際的情勢並沒有改變戰爭如果持續進行 |
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預計這種CPI還是會持續發生的情況底下民生的CPI是不是也應該公布一下讓大家會比較了解這是第一啦第二個部分呢影響這個CPI的部分我們過去有一些作為包括三營業稅關稅等等的一個免稅的方式到3月底黃小玉等等就已經要到期了可是我了解的部分好像到現在為止穩定物價小組都還沒有開會就了解狀況如何什麼時候開會 |
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都有定期開會可是到現在3月底就要到期了餒下禮拜開會下禮拜什麼時候下禮拜20號20號那您的主張怎麼樣你覺得這個免稅那個是我們去看那個是他那個那你會不會希望這個王小玉這個免關稅的部分其實持續進行那個趙吉仁是 |
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我問題是說你看到這些CPI的數字你會不會建議說為了避免這些CPI繼續攀升那相關的一些免稅的作為應該持續數字你最了解啦我在問你的態度嘛沒有啦我的態度沒那麼重要的謝謝你的態度很關鍵啦主席主席你都變得不重要了 |
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那個整個趨勢你最了解啊我是希望說你要考量到CPI持續攀升的狀況底下政府該作為應該持續啦我這樣建議你啦好另外一個部分同樣的也是CPI的部分你今年開始有這個公布所謂的高廉CPI嘛 |
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高齡CPI最關鍵的其實是有關於社會給付特別是高齡項目的部分所編列的預算我看到高達一兆1357億我請問你一下你這一兆1357億的部分是按照CPI的這個部分還是用高齡CPI的部分來編列的 |
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這個是按照一般的CPI不過我要跟那個委員報告如果高齡CPI按照過國的話他有時候會下降他有時候會下降像油價高漲的時候那我們可不可以訂一個擇優處理啊 |
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因為你就是要給付嘛,你給付的精神就是要照顧人民,照顧高齡嘛不過各位委員報告,我們只是提這些指示出來因為這個您剛才講的,您這個圖案裡面,圖裡面講老農國民年輕官保給付 |
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他有各自的主管機關他有各自的法令你要交給他個別主管機關認定但是預算編列是在你的手上啊我沒有那麼大權力啦我不能去預算編列沒有我算過啦其實依照老人津貼的話齁那個老農津貼的話他是可以增加的啦我有算過啦你自己私底下再算一下我建議說你這個部分能不能從一個高齡CPI的部分來做一個思考可以跟各部會來討論一下可不可以 |
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接下來,主席長,實質薪資連續4年下降,連續4年 |
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應該沒有4年啦我可以跟那個委員報告一下那個我們在這個是我算一算齁這個從最近的這一個這個明目薪資再算一下CPI再算起來齁實質薪資齁一樣持續下滑我們最近8年啦他的實質薪資增加530澳元相對前一個8年最近8年加530澳元你覺得這是很驕傲的數字嗎相對前一個8年只有增加80澳元 |
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平均每年啦 平均每年 |
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我覺得越夠CPI來算的話他實質薪資搞不好還跌破4萬欸不是不是我講錯了那個是平均每年530幾塊啦平均每年不是百年平均每年增加530幾塊對530平均每年我們會後來核斷數字啦即便你每年增加530幾塊還是非常的稀少好不好相對前面的8年只有80幾塊的相對前面的8年好了你要比前面的8年我再比現在實質的感受跟生活上的所需啦 |
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謝謝好謝謝 |
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是謝謝主席有請那個審計長跟主計長陳審計長朱主計長委員長兩位長官早安委員長 |
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我想我先請問審計長就是在這個P2P的業者的納管的一個問題那審計部在3月5號那你發布了一個新聞稿要求金管會要強烈的來監督P2P的一個管理那你要求那個金管會就是對於網路上那個借貸的一個平台的一個監理他你需要加強 |
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那部長那個你認為就是說應該要怎麼樣的來管理因為這個委員是這樣齁因為南約那個世界經濟網路論壇講未來的那個假信息、詐騙是我們未來風險的未來兩年風險的所謂所以這方面打擊詐欺這個變成我們很重要的一個方向所以 |
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對這個因為他詐騙金融就很重要所以我們去查的時候所以審計長你也看到了這個金融的一個危機如果我們這個錢收不回來的話其實會造成了很大的一個社會的一個問題那你再看下一張圖朱任業跟P2P的 |
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是非常類似的其實他只是在於資金來言的一個不同那就是說P2P是來自於就是資金的來源來自於民眾朱任業來自於就是銀行他從銀行的這個行庫裡頭去借那目前我們所知道的就是說朱任業從公股行庫裡頭來借就借了16001268億的喔 |
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那這樣子的話其實立期上的一個差別那個連真也沒有用戶的一個資安的調查也沒有可是相對的就是說這個P2P有金管會管那主任業呢你認為應該由誰來管 |
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這一個委員非常的深入整個這個金融上面整個能夠有一個套都兼顧到整體上非常好所以委員這個提出來我們會進行整個瞭解這一個部分啦原則上因為這個話我們會提出來我們會提出來這個意見 |
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行政院去衡量這個到底是金管會或怎麼樣因為這個我沒辦法帶行政機關除了說誰來管這個就是我剛剛退伍委員的之處啊就是他你能夠再深入到這塊你現在講的是P2P是由金管會來管那朱任業你有沒有提出這樣的一個建議是由哪一位監理機關來管啊 |
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這個部分本來這是民法上的一個問題但是這個可能我們會把這個意見或者委員也把這個意見所以你一定會告訴我這是民間之間的借貸關係是民法那他雖然欠缺了徵信跟帳戶資料保管的不透明的問題好你已經都 |
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知道這些問題在哪裡了那誰來管是不是應該做一個積極上的一個建議這個沿著上我們尊重行政部門但是我想應該如果錢都是錢盡量因為我們有成立了金管會盡量由金管會統籌會比較整體非常好沈局長你也看到了這個其實你不能放任就是監管的一個套利所以你認為應該由金管會來 |
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我個人啦,但是這個我還是要尊重行政部門的決定主計長,我白河的外孫我是白河的外孫,跟你一樣那我想跟你探討就是說在最近就是說 |
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其實從2023年就是我們的CPI年增率接近15年來的次高那主計處的統計裡頭我們也看到了非常的清楚就是2023前年度的CPI的年增率是2.5%那今年二月份的CPI你預估會來到3.08那就是說針對整年的那個CPI的一個 |
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年增率你預測就是會降低到1.60%對跟委員報告我們最新的是1.85而且沒有爆發電池那你認為降到1.85是好還是不好這個我覺得是一個所謂的一個是怎麼樣並沒有很悲觀也沒有很很樂觀因為我們還有電價如果1.85的話加上電價就可能會真的會接近百分之二的那 |
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那我們認為是說最近的一個那個一月二月份比較高是因為去年的過年是在一月所以說那個比較的基礎是去年比較低的基礎比較低所以今年3.08比較高謝謝主計長謝謝我想你也就是預測到今年CPI的一個就是有考慮到電價電價的一個調整還有醫療費用的一個那個就是整個那個對對對 |
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整個一個就是說他上升的一個趨勢主計長我剛送你一包洋芋片你拿出來搖一下好不好我跟你說這一包我這一包洋芋片跟你這一包洋芋片雖然你不要打開喔我跟你講 |
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這個洋芋片齁,量變少了。我不知道你之前買過洋芋片嗎?我們兩個都一樣少。那個跟那個委員報告一下,我們在這物價調查的時候啊,它的量少的話,我們會考慮說它的價就有上。 |
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沒有我跟你講他量少價不變量少價不變雖然他這個業者會告訴你說這個裡面那個充氣是可以保鮮可是我們知道這是一個縮水式的通膨就是說民眾關心這個縮水式的通膨我不知道你在這個CPI的一個計算裡頭你有沒有把它算進去了 |
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對我們有算進去就像買那個便當原來滷蛋是一顆現在變成一半我們就認定說它是漲了大概是漲了大概四塊四五塊錢我們都會算到裡面去我們CPI的那個會考量它的重量啊它的質量的問題都有好主計長非常好所以你的通膨是有跟民眾的通膨體表的通膨是一樣的嗎 |
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那個是民眾感覺是可能會不太一樣可是我們在做統計的時候我們會有考量那不一樣那不一樣怎麼辦呢不一樣我們就在物價指數調的時候會考慮它的那個重量的變化我們都會考慮所以你隨時在調整對謝謝所以就是說所有的通膨都是在你的掌控中 |
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欸在理論上啊對對對在理論上那實際上啊實際上因為我們主計總是著重的是一個成長率是一個相對物價個別的話因為我們調查的所謂的花色有兩萬多種我不可能像神龍藏百藥啊他也只藏一百種我這要調查兩萬種每一個細節我 |
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那你當然是應該要調查的啊 是的 是的 我們都有調查 我們都有調查 所以就是說 你的體感的CPI跟我們老百姓更接近的時候 那你才會是跟大家是接近的啊 跟那個委員報告一下 就是因為民眾所接觸是他每天買的東西 像外食會 但是有些電器用品我們也是在下跌的 |
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因為他不是每天都要買,他可能一兩年才買一次,那個是在下跌的我想主席長,你這二月底公告一份失業率是3.39%的一個報告那你強調說這是最近23年來最低的一次 |
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可是根據新聞我們新聞的一個報導我們的一個缺工率一直持續在上增那這個缺工的狀況創了新高那業者積極尋求勞動力補足的一個缺口那為什麼會有這樣子的一個狀況就是說你一百 |
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一十年到一百一十二年的統計的實質薪資卻一直都是在下降那老百姓感受到了體感感受到的是物價的一個膨脹更明顯了那我們怎麼樣來解釋這個問題呢你有沒有辦法就是說從數據上去我們看到你的數據是沒有辦法反映出來的 |
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委員報告一下因為所謂的那個是失業率降低就是代表就業情況很好所以他的那個缺工的情況就會比較多他兩個是一個反向的關係像金融危機的時候這個我懂主計長我懂 |
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可是我還是覺得說你避開了基本薪資一直就是說太低了然後我們的一個薪資一直都沒有辦法調漲這到底是什麼樣的一個原因跟那個委員報告一下因為他跟產業結構有關係的確有些科技業他的實質薪資是在漲可是我們有很多的小規模企業的話 |
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他因為他成本變高了民眾他的那個消費量也有一定所以他會比較比較少所以我們就是在這個時候我們就要調整基本工資就要調整你也覺得說基本工資要調整我們每年都有調我們每年都有調可是你調了速度事實上是跟不上就是勞工他們的一個期待 |
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對那個是我們會考量的經濟情況謝謝主計長我想本席在這裡要求就是審計部跟主計總處分別針對的就是剛才提出的一個議題在一個院內提出書面報告給本席謝謝委員好謝謝現在質詢請李燕秀議員 |
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謝謝教委我請主計長請朱主計長主計長好主計長這幾年原物料上漲那大家都知道通膨的狀況也越來越嚴重所以我們對於軍公教人員也經歷了三次調心在過去七年分別有107年的3%111年的4%還有到今年的4% |
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我先感謝主計長這邊大家體恤到軍公教52萬軍公教人員的辛勞那幫工人員加薪我們這個加薪當然也會帶動民間企業後續的加這是我們期待至少在2.4到2.6%中間左右我想這個部分來肯定主計長但是主計長這個加薪固然對全國民間也好軍公教也好是好事 |
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但是他相對的我們要考量到地方的財源的負擔我肯定這件事情但是地方的財源負擔一定會有的你同意我這樣的說法嗎對同意到那個我們有一個方式如果我們的政策宣布是在那個地方政府預算還沒有送到議會的時候第一年中央政府會協助以後就是由他們編到預算裡面去我們才是採用這個措施 |
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因為狀況是這樣子啦從107年到現在我們至少調幅11%左右您剛才講的就是說比如說今年我們打算加薪4%這個立即就會增加臺北市22億要追加這些預算要去找出這些錢出來啦 |
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所以鄭文燦院長才會講說這個中央對地方藝術也會考慮到加薪這一塊你剛才講說如果預算還沒送到議會的話你們就會如果在之後的話你們就會補足全部 |
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主席長我知道你會考量到說你突然宣布的話錢不知道從哪裡來所以其實我關注的就因為過去這幾年我們看到107年你們只補助了我們加薪的幅度是3%我們補助5000萬然後111年21億我們百分之百補助113年我們補助50%所以 |
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就是說對地方來說他當然希望他是一個制度化的處理或者是至少可以預期大家都肯定這件事情但是財源每個縣市的財源的狀況不一致我當然不敢講說那你可不可以全部全部都你來補助地方很多縣市常常會覺得中央請客地方買單但我不願意這樣子講 |
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但是如果我們可以有一個制度性的討論我覺得對地方一下子要找這個財源你即便說如果是還沒送到預算議會還沒審到預算之後你會補助全年但我覺得如果有機會制度化的處理比如說第一年由我們中央全部來負擔第二年第三年那他們再想辦法去籌措預算來處理我覺得會不會這是一個更好的方式 |
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那個方向可以委員的所講的可以討論我必須說明一下條新的政策是人事總處主管的他的業務主管單位您剛才講的113年我們補助一半是因為我們的政策在他們的那個編預算送到立法院之前就宣布那個所以條50%是額外給他的啦他本來是按照 |
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制度他都都不會給的但是我們額外給他所以主計長我說我今天才跟你討論說我們可不可以制度化的處理以後第一年都由中央來負擔那個要要要那個是 |
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因為這個是按照地方制度法他本來就是地方自治他應該負擔的經費我們可以討論謝謝主席長我希望這件事情所以我今天有個臨時提案我希望這個事情可以做制度化的處理當然我再次強調我們肯定對軍公教因為原物料上漲通膨的問題所以我們都認為要加薪對軍公教加薪這件事情我們都給予肯定 |
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但地方各縣市的財源狀況不一樣我剛剛就已經舉例了所以如果第一年有機會中央來負擔全部第二年第三年後面才由地方完全來做負擔我覺得對地方的財政找錢也好我覺得各方面 |
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才不會影響到地方原來的市政的推動所以我覺得如果可以的話我希望主計長可以朝向這方式來去進行才不會對地方的財政造成立即性的衝擊對那個我們對那個財政那個情況不好的話我們事實上是全部全部不要啦主計長我覺得不要說財政好不好啦對地方來說本來每一個縣市都有既定的預算既定的市政要推動他給他的預測他比較好 |
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你臨時12月30號宣布他1月1號他1月1號議會才審完他哪裏來臨時來找錢所以我覺得還是制度化的來處理這件事情我希望主計長來研議這件事情那我也希望人總的那個薪資政策能夠提早宣布謝謝好那這個也是中央的問題好不好主計長第二件事情我關注到前兩天 |
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陳院長在回答科珍委員的時候講到說股票上兩萬點你開不開心主計長股票上兩萬點你開不開心我一點我個人一點都不開心因為我沒有股票 |
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對阿我就查到你的財產申報裡面你的股票才5560塊阿所以那個是已經沒有上市對阿所以院長搞錯了啦股票上兩萬點是少數人開經因為以台灣的股市來說我們將近44%是外資我們的護國神三台機電還有七成也是外資所以 |
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所有的股票好當然好就是說經濟預期也會比較好但是這個利多並不是全民共享的利多主計長我要給你看幾個數字依照我們GDP來說從2012年到2021年蔡英文所講的6.53是我們經濟成長是20年來最好的時刻但是在我們的GDP佔比中我們受雇人員的報酬從2012年的45.8% |
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降到我們現在2021 二零二一年的四十三趴是歷年來最低這個數字我相信數字你非常清楚代表的意義是台灣的經濟紅利其實勞工沒有享受到 |
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喔第一點資方享受到勞工沒有享受到第二個代表的意義是台灣產業結構出現了很大的問題我們少數贏者圈的收入很高但是大多數的民眾沒有享受到經濟的利益然後再下來 |
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我想你非常清楚這幾年我們貧富差距造成12年來的新高然後我們這幾年我們的實質經常性的薪資過去這3年都被即便有加薪全部這3年都被吞捧吃掉了那再來下一張我們看到我們近5年實質種薪資是倒退的而且是7年來首度的負成長 |
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主計長我也看到齁其實你有講你在去年的10月26號齁你講過一句話貧富差距是過去10年的新高所得分配不均政府的責任最大你現在還是同意這句話嗎跟那個委員報告這個有點斷章取義啦我都所得分配不均政府就要來 |
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做一個首都分配的一個工作所以明天也有責任主計長我們不要玩文字遊戲政府有最大的那我這樣講政府有責任去處理分配貧富分配不均的問題好不好所以 |
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所以我要講的說蔡英文不要老拿經濟20年來最好6.53來自得滿意我們股票上兩萬點你回去你也應該跟院長講說兩萬點齁這時候少數人開心外資開心啦以我來說以你來說我們都沒有玩股票的人我們都不開心你要告訴他這件事情我要怕大家誤解我個人不開心可是我管國家的財政很開心因為證券交易稅增加對不對謝謝 |
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但是主事長那我就要糾正你稅收增加很開心但是人民的經濟人民生活過得好不好才是我們身為政府的最大責任 |
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你同意這句話嗎當然所有大多數的人民過得好不好才是政府最重要的責任所以主計長你應該對於明年的經濟有所預測包括我剛剛講的人民我們實質薪資明年到底會不會再往上跳會不會變成有負轉正或我們總薪資有沒有機會重負轉正我們是說可以那要看那個CPI的成長率阿你都應該要預期阿你是主計長阿對 |
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那個明目薪資一定會成長那要看那個CPI的一個上漲CPI的上漲有時候會有一些不確定因素我知道啦但是你每一年都會預測那你能不能預測明年你評估預測明年因為我不曉得包括我們的經常薪資包括明年的總薪資有沒有機會有負轉勝那個是說我只能說有50%的機會 |
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主席長你這個是﹖ |
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我希望你們有去做評估你們應該有吧我主計總處沒有經濟部有沒有我不曉得因為CPI明年你應該是財政三長、主計長財政部部長、經濟部部長應該對這個有所評估主計長我的時間到了我覺得這個都是聯動性的問題明年人民生活過得好不好 |
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謝謝好 謝謝好 謝謝 |
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那我們等一下現場委員請等一下黃森山委員發言完畢我們就休息5分鐘現在接著請王宏威委員質詢謝謝主席我請主計長請朱主計長主計長好 |
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主計長在去年 |
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我們全台灣人民有一個小確幸就是因為我們稅收超徵所以呢後來因為我提出還稅於民那麼後來很多位的不分朝野的委員都呼應最後造成發現金就是我們每個人都可以發6000塊現金這個是2022年我們的稅收超徵是4500億 |
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好4500億可以看到這個是當時蔡英文總統臉書的一個分配那麼有拿出1800億來每個人普發現金那當然其他的就去做一些給地方政府啦還有一個很重要的包含去做電價補貼撥補台電 |
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那今年其實稅收超徵的金額也不少也起碼達到3600億那我想請問主計長今年有沒有機會再來還稅於民再普發現金跟那個委員報告一下外界講的3600億是包括地方政府債裡面另外一個的話今年那個是 |
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雖然稅收有一個超增可是我們今年仍然有發行公債而且特別預算裡面也有公債如果扣掉這些以後剩下只有一千多億剩下多少?大概一千五百億 |
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那我跟那個委員報告一下而且這個的話如果要發現金的話這個可能又要一個特別條例又會說我們算用83條第4款會不會發現金你說不會目前沒有這個規劃好你說現在不會發好那你剛才有個數字我很感興趣你說呢雖然大家講3600億但是呢你好像有一些公債啊什麼等等之類的是不是 |
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所以現在剛才你講的大概1500億左右是嗎? |
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大概1500億而且要等那個審計部那個7、8月審計完了以後我才能夠用謝謝你才能用對不對好來那我現在要問你一個很重要問題因為呢現在大家非常關心的物價然後關心電價上漲電價到底要漲多少那到現在呢經濟部口風很緊那大家知道有10%以上 |
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那另外經濟部也對外說就是因為有稅收超增所以今年經濟部要爭取這個稅收超增的部分要補助撥補台電希望能夠達到1500億 |
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那麼你剛才說主計長說現在也只剩1500億所以那麼撥補台電1500億的可能性有嗎跟委員報告一下我現在沒有看到經濟部的任何方案所以說我 |
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因為主計長就像那個我們的大帳房嘛 對不對 |
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所以你說現在以我們算稅收超徵但是你有發行公債等等其他的支出所以呢現在也不過剩1500億如果把1500億全部都撥補台電的話那麼我們就沒有剩餘了是不是我這樣講正不正確 |
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就是沒有那個剩餘對的確所以要撥補台電1500億很困難我現在是說如果要撥的話到明年編114的預算會很吃緊很吃緊那撥1000億有沒有可能這個是我不做 |
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時間暫停,我請一下審計長 |
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主計長先留步我還沒問完呢還是有相關不好意思啊來委員好 審計長剛才主計長講了一個很重要的觀念就是說今年的稅收超徵還沒有完成我們審計部還沒有審定對不對可是問題是4月4月電價就要上漲了而且他電價上漲的幅度來自於這個稅收超徵可以撥補台電多少這個程序對嗎 |
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所以在程序上剛才主計長也講了 |
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一定要先經過審計部的審定之後才能夠確定能夠撥補台電多少這個程序是一定要這樣走對不對他到底有沒有多少剩餘我們要把這個112年度的結算審定完以後才確認下來 |
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因為有時候會找到他是期徵收入的有時候會找到某一種那個所以到底多少所以我在這邊要特別去釐清因為最近經濟部一直在訪說這次稅收超徵3600億經濟就是台電可以拿他現在希望要1500億可是主計長已經說這樣子明年預算怎麼變雖然主計長不曉得會不會繼續留任 |
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那現在就給他一千五百億下一任的新政府的預算就是賴清德的預算很難編一千億看起來也很難可是啊主計長兩位署議長審計長現在我們這個稅收超徵我剛剛一直講說會不會就是還稅漁民會不會普發現金我早就知道不會普發現金因為你這個錢啊好多部會啊因為他們都很多的赤字很多的債務 |
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不只台電在這邊已經喊著要這個1500億現在還有勞保基金院也在2028年可能會破產所以呢連勞動部也在想這塊就像那個什麼也在流口水也希望能夠在這一次能夠撥補勞保基金的空缺 |
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好那你現在全部只有1500億如果1500億通通給台電勞保基金就沒錢了對不對跟那個委員報告一下社會保險他的恐怖不是他什麼時候會倒而是他不會倒所以說我們必須去面對而且補助也不是唯一的辦法同樣的台電你一直給他補助 |
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你不給他電價調高未來就不見得有這麼多的稅收超徵能夠補助他所以你的意思說電價還是要調整但我們現在就是說這筆錢怎麼算因為連勞保基金都在想你這個錢 |
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但問題是你現在根本沒有這麼多錢他們想像中兩千六百億一千五百三千六百億一千五百億給台電還有兩千億啊兩千億呢勞保基金也可以來分一分啊因為在去年的時候呢他們分到了五百五十億讓他們覺得很補好啦最後結論最後結論有沒有可能台電 |
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補1500億然後勞保基金補500億有沒有可能?勞保基金今年就總共已經補了他1300億了那是去年啦今年啦今年的預算啦有1300億啊我知道那個預算我是說稅收超徵的部分這個錢有沒有可能嘛我們的錢是統收統資並沒有所以沒有可能按照你剛才計算就沒有可能再給勞保基金了嘛對不對 |
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我要講的是我們現在是叫做銀吃卯糧 |
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對不起現在就是說稅收超生根本是一個機會就是說並不是每一年都應該發生的事情哎呀主計長我講話你一直在插嘴在幹嘛啦我剛才問你問你你就回答就好啦我在講話你一直在講話是怎樣呢抱歉 |
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現在大家都想要稅收超徵這3600億但是這錢我今天至少釐清一個觀念剛才佐記長講了其實這樣子七折八扣也只不過1500億但是呢現在台電要1500億勞保基金也想他們都是公開講喔他們也希望從這個稅收超徵能夠去幫這個基金撥補因為他們的這個虧損過大 |
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那所以稅收超徵不是年年超徵主計長剛講的話我完全的同意稅收超徵不是年年超徵但是這些台電虧損跟勞保基金虧損是年年都在虧損而且虧損是一年比一年多不只台電虧損周永還在虧損如果今天我們的政府想著我們的虧損只是想拿稅收超徵來補的話 |
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這叫做迎吃卯糧而現在全部補完了之後就如同主計長所講的那麼明年預算很難編那我的結論就是蔡政府把這些錢都花光了最後讓賴清德他去編預算的時候是很困難編的所以我同意政府的財政不是這樣做法 |
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好,謝謝 |
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交代質詢請黃珊珊黃委員發言完畢休息5分鐘謝謝請主計長請主計長委員好 |
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市長我想今天很多委員都關心所謂的CPI那CPI在今天上個禮拜公布的相關的報告二月份的CPI通膨率高達3.08這個狀況您覺得原因是什麼 |
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跟那個委員報告一下因為所謂CPI是二月份跟去年的二月份比較去年的二月份它不是過年期間今年二月份是過年期間所以是激起的比較差別對激起的比較的差別但是主計長我們看這個圖它已經不是激起的比較它是從2022年3月以後 |
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合心通膨只有一次低於百分之二的通膨警戒也就是說你講的去年基期我同意但是我們基本上CPI是不斷的在上升而且可能也沒有趨緩的狀況你同意吧 |
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有沒有趨緩的情況目前是有在那個減少的沒有上漲那麼快但是也沒有往下降我必須跟你講這個是一個視覺過國的趨勢我們在一般東亞國家我們只有比我只要問你的是那會不會繼續往上漲 |
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然後還是只是2月暫時性接下來會掉下來CPI一定會這個會上漲但是他的漲幅已經在下跌我們要的是緩漲甚至是趨緩不太可能往下降但是 |
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﹚議員﹚ |
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還有居住類食物類但是因為他跟相關的價格波動會有關係但是居住看起來是只有往上漲沒有趨緩的狀況而且這兩類已經佔到國人一半的日常消費一般的民眾不管是吃東西還是居住這是他生活上最大最大的痛苦來源 |
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好,我現在要問的是租金租金指數從現在可以看得到租金指數已經連續上漲整整31個月了主計長也在做相關的租金指數的統計它的增幅、它的狀況其實是一直往上走你看這個看起來只有連續上漲了31個月超過兩年半的時間這個刷新了歷史記錄啊 |
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這個狀況目前政府不是做了很多居住正義不是很多相關的房屋租金普天還有很多很多的但是這個狀況為什麼會持續漲漲而且沒有任何放緩跟那個委員報告一下這個是因為建築成本上升那個是什麼相對的那個是那個以及因為房屋成本上升所以租金就繼續上升維修成本也提高所以這個租金指數 |
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我要問的是主計長我們做了這麼久的居住正義我們有讓租金指數至少緩漲嗎?租金指數緩漲就好那個市場現象我們很難去給它處理所以我們沒有做過相關政策的評估怎麼樣去讓這個租金指數可以緩漲跟那委員報告一下我們主計總處一般來講只做統計那個租金的政策應該是由內政部來處理所以你統計完了要給他們做參考嗎? |
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他們要評估說這個指數在跟他們的推脫的政策有沒有直接正相關還有有沒有辦法讓這個政策的效益能夠提高然後讓這個指數還長事實上執政團隊都希望是這個樣子所以我現在問您的是您看到的您做的統計我們做了這麼多的政策租金指數有沒有放緩的狀況有沒有可能會放緩 |
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對我我沒辦法預測因為我們一般都是事後的統計那要看那個政策的方向所以啊就是我們有統計但 |
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沒方法我希望是您就你的專業看到我們很多的政策都往這邊走政府花了這麼多的錢去做居住正義但是我們的租金指數只有不斷的上漲而且 |
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完全沒有放緩的期想這個是我覺得從這個角度裡面可以去給內政部更多的建議跟那個委員報告一下租金指數的確有上漲可是我們也有一些租金政策的補貼到好所以我要問的是我們推動租屋市場健全化的政策有沒有達到房市環長的目標看起來是沒有第二個我想問主計長的是我們有沒有機率看到這些租金指數在2024年之後慢慢趨緩 |
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因為跟委員報告一下他的租金的市場多少租金這個必須尊重市場制度我同意嘛但是我們要做些什麼不是統計啊我們最重要的是每一個租屋的人他都有能力去租房子 |
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現在的問題就在於我們的租的金額已經達到所謂民眾收入的三分之一這才是對民眾為什麼感覺居住正義在臺灣有這麼重要的一個原因我想接下來是要問一下我們其實主計處有做所謂的高齡的CPI指數的調查對吧是的 |
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那日本我們看到他們做一個非常有趣的他們是各個年齡層他們去到調查他的CPI其實台灣你看到降低手機費還有保育免費的話他其實可以看出來對於相關的不同年齡層的CPI有看得出特定政策的成效我的意思就是說我們是不是在CPI統計的時候 |
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可以用年齡層可以用剛剛講的租金可能是一般年輕人的租金跟一般長輩或家庭的租金他其實可以做不同年齡層的CPI的統計這個可以做一個更細緻的做法那個是我們要努力我必須跟委員報告一下那個日本的方式他們的那個是所謂年齡層是用調查的方式我們是用說在那個戶裡面他如果是全我會建議說一個進步的政府應該了解各個 |
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相關的不同年齡層他的對於物價指數他現在面對到的困境我們要進一步的了解第二個我們的才可以看得到政策對於他的負擔減輕的狀況所以做出更氣質的統治我覺得是主計處可以參考日本的做法你同意嗎 |
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我希望你們能夠往這個方向走啦我覺得這個是我們應該可以參考然後做各個年齡層的CPI讓我們各部會都能夠做更細緻的政策參考最後一個問題就是剛剛講的CPI剛剛已經達到3點多可能就像你講的基期接下去4月份要調漲 |
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每漲電價一成就會讓通膨率升高0.12個百分點主計長現在企業用電成本提高將轉嫁給消費者其他的也會影響到通膨所以接下來去的電價你預計會漲多少CPI |
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對那個要看那個是說要看那個要看哪個那個間接影響他的轉嫁程度所以我就說請你告訴我漲多少的時候會讓物價指數漲多少對因為那個是漲0.12是至少啦至少是0.12至於說間接的影響那就你還沒有辦法算 |
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所以現在電價只要漲一成我們就會漲0.12然後還不知道有多少對吧所以物價只會調漲相關的我們買到的東西也會調漲好最後就是現在還有一個就是醫療費用掛號會開放的天花板讓很多的 |
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醫療院所他可以自由收取掛號費你覺得會不會引起CPI的調漲那個跟那個委員報告一下事實上掛號費上漲啊不是說最近才漲是在去年就已經漲所以他的基期已經有了已經漲了對對啦所以已經在裡面但是現在拿掉天花板可能還會再漲會不會影響到我們人民對於醫療費用的支出會又開始增加 |
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對那個是如果是就診所的話大概是他的權數是百分之0.27了好啦所以主計長去年 |
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相關的單位從來沒有告訴大家電價要漲而且保證給了台電500億絕對不會漲今年突然間開會要漲同樣的醫療費用也從來沒有說過要調漲現在也在漲你的相關的統計只會越來越高所以我第一個要求就是希望主計處能夠把CPI的統計能夠更精緻化第二個要去把 |
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相關政部門推動政策的成效呈現在CPI裡面做一個相關的反應跟委員報告去年定價也有漲啦不是現在才漲所以我跟你說你的統計要有意義啦你的統計只是丟給他們他們沒有意義就是等於是這個統計就白統計了沒有統計就沒有統治謝謝各部會也要有能力運用我們的統計資料謝謝好休息五分鐘 |
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議員議員議員議員議員 |
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委員會主席 |
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繼續開會下一位質詢請嚴寬恆嚴委員主席各位列席委員大家好主席我想請主計長朱主計長請朱主計長 |
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主席長好今年2月29日舉辦記者會把今年CPI年增率上修至1.85%今年2月CPI指數年增率飆上3.08% |
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那是近20個月以來最高新高如果考量4月份這個應該是沒有考量這個電費上漲的問題沒有那如果加上4月份電費上漲我國今年的CPI會不會再一次的突破這個通膨警戒線跟委員報告一下是有可能極有可能對 |
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那所以二月份的消費指數年增率為3.08已經是20個月裡面最高那你可以說是因為春節物價上漲但是如果以一到二月份平均來講這個CPI已經上升2.43%是處於一個高檔那有沒有可能這個外食費房租費都持續上漲 |
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那再加上4月份的電價上漲就是說把這些有業者就是把這些電費直接轉嫁到消費者的身上不管你是外食族還是住屋族任何一個行業都會對不對跟那個委員報告一下那個電價的話如果是民生用電的話他會他會轉 |
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他會有那個消費者負擔那個外資會目前還在漲的趨勢那個是前些時候都有4%的成長不過他現在還是在漲主理長主理長這個 漲幅有降低的現象通膨齁什麼都在漲萬物期漲電費也要漲那接下來水費我想也要漲了都在漲那所以這個整體的物價指數肯定是下不來今年1、2月 |
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醫院診所的掛號費也漲了那個診所漲了10%醫院漲1.49%那這些其實再加上外食費啊房租啊什麼外食費漲0.48%那這些東西不會有再調降的可能對不對可不可以這麼講不會調降的 |
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每年調高基本薪資 |
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這個調高資本薪資是不是也是物價上漲的一個元兇一個幫助犯因為調高薪資所以物價也跟著漲那個兩個的因果關係很難講因為物價漲了啊薪資如果不漲也好像不會很頭疼可是跟得上嗎就是我們漲是美化數字就對不對啊你起一次他起比你快 |
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但是除非他漲得很高因為薪水的漲幅一般可能是在後面所以我們會越來越窮目前的情況是這樣子就越來越窮尤其我們的經常性薪資平均4549645496元實時經常性薪資是41334那這個部分 |
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裡面其實那個調整後的數字就是說實質經常性的薪資又降低了0.5%是連續3年來的負數那總實質總薪資也減少了1.04%是7年來的負成長首度的負成長所以這就是告訴我們是確實是越來越窮那加薪的速度遠遠跟不上 |
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那通膨現在萬物起漲現在說光是外食族現在要買一個100塊以下的便當買得到嗎應該買不到啦不過就像雞腿便當大概120塊啦排骨便當中南部有大概大概50塊那租金啊如果租房呢現在1萬塊以下的房屋還有嗎就房屋啦我們說的租屋啦欸那個可能要分租啊分租 |
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我會講我們現在很多戲稱說臺北市要租6千塊7千塊8千塊房屋那個叫做鬼屋啦叫做鬼屋啦所以你就知道說多恐怖啦那現在我們的實質經常性薪資都是負數那大家都在討論這樣子的情況那剛剛我們前面幾位委員也都有把這個都問到這些那通膨跟薪資水平之間的面臨的挑戰到底我們只是 |
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﹗ |
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在這個這個會場裡面的我們的很多工作人員那薪水有沒有這個薪水有沒有4萬多5萬多那個我們所謂的那個薪資我跟各位包括一下是包括各項那個所謂的福利性所得就是他有老闆所負擔的勞退的費用通通都有在裡面 |
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所以我說就是說其實很多基層的不管是我們的立法院的工作同仁還是很多基層的工人都一樣他們的薪水都是在這個我們剛剛公布的這個基層線以下平均數以下所以是非常非常辛苦的所以我想要請主計長就是說我們到底要怎麼樣才能夠解決這種低薪高通膨的問題 |
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那個跟委員報告一下因為在經濟學上薪水就等於說他對這個企業或這個單位的貢獻有多少或他產出出來價值有多少所以他應該要他接受就是說有一個良好的 |
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． |
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9479.275 |
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那補貼,你能提舉意嗎?怎麼樣來補貼?讓民眾覺得好過,覺得說不會越來越窮。年輕人喔,他們都會預有津貼,一個人寫一個補助五千,兩個就一萬,或者是 |
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是對那個租屋族我們有一個那個這些各項可能地方政府也都在做啦生意補貼啊然後這個生意補貼地方政府都把新的那個蓋我們是沒顧的啦 |
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每個月五千啦!每個月五千啦!經營的啦!我們在這邊討論這些問題是要找出怎麼樣解決這個薪資的問題跟這些物價上漲的問題但是我發覺我們在 |
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談論這些不管是怎麼樣提高基本薪資都是在美化數字永遠跟不上所以政府要怎麼樣去調控這些通膨有沒有做一個有效的意識通膨這個才是重點有時候市場制度我們必須尊重但是我們是不恰當的一個市場物價上漲公平會他就要看看有沒有聯絡壟斷 |
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法務部就看他們有沒有囤積居期好 主計長我們要考慮到真實的數字不是美化過後的數字好不好我們的統計數字都是真實的我現在百姓的生活這個生活痛苦指數不斷的升高啊非常非常的高啊對不對好不好應該加油好不好謝謝我們請沈 沈記長謝謝 請沈記長 |
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總統會議 |
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委員好市長好到今年二月底受理這個申辦我們有一個300億租金補貼計畫那受理的大概61萬戶合定的建樹43萬戶那有超過三成包括30%的人拿不到這個補貼那我本期認為說這個300億的補貼政策是好的但是實際上拿到的卻不到七成 |
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那你可不可以告訴我為什麼這個因為有一些大家因為租嘛有些隱瞞所以造成有一些希望能夠避稅所以造成一些問題我直接問重點時間的問題我在這個社群平台上面看到就是說無房屋稅籍無房屋稅籍 |
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有些這個就是說他申請的時候第一期通過了第一期通過補貼但是第二期卻被討回因為他沒有房屋稅集沒有稅單那應該是要去要求房東要補稅房屋稅單應該要補這個房屋稅嘛結果不是他等到來是把這個處課我們說的房客申請的申請補貼的房客取消他的補貼要他歸還 |
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啊這樣子對嗎?這樣不對嘛對不對你們規定說在申請補貸的時候不需要智慧房東嘛也不需要房東同意嘛那當然他也拿不到他也不知道有沒有房屋稅籍啊他就是因為有需要 |
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所以他才也符合規定所以他才在申請這個租屋補貼可是你補貼他之後又或者他在申請過程當中你就直接告訴他說你不符規定那第一期為什麼第一期會符合規定補貼他那之後第二期還要叫他返還是 |
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我要問一問你說第一期在審查的時候是亂審嗎?還是說他有租屋的事實啊可是你補貼報他之後反正回來又給他拖回來然後可是不是證明你第一期在審查的時候是亂審查這個我們會照內政部在處理這個的時候不要讓人家有那個錯覺說是一個選擇性的因為 |
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是不是因為選舉前就是在社群平台上面到處在傳是不是因為選舉前就是隨便審啊 太過分了啊 選了啊 再叫其他人來 對不對 這我不管你們的想法是怎麼樣你們的做法是怎麼樣 如果有漏洞我們趕快把它填補 |
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那我們要符合公平機制讓我們申請這個租屋優惠的這一些房客就是我們這些租屋主能夠有一個好的依據那房東願不願意提供或者說他有沒有房屋稅籍應該是要求房東去補這個房屋稅而不是要房客去去去要求返還他的補貼嗎對不對好不好我們的想法很好我們會告訴內政部OK好謝謝沈議長謝謝 |
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9786.312 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].text |
稍為質詢請吳立華吳委員謝謝主席有請主計長請朱主計長 |
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主計長您好請教主計長您覺得補助收入跟稅客收入對政府機關而言哪一種比較好會比較期待哪一種收入從中央的一個觀點 |
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主計長您幾乎已經是把我想要問的態度已經講出來了事實上根據我們的預算法我們的總預算案應該要在快進年度開始的一個月前也就是11月底前要由立法院議決 |
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可是我們看到資料過去的14年立法院從來沒有在法定期限內完成三讀通常都會到12月又或者到1月快進年度開始那地方的議會預算三讀也是這樣常常因為議事的一個繁雜而延宕所以通常會拖到1月甚至是2月才通過那為什麼我這樣子關心這個問題 |
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主計長請您看一下如果說有一些的原住民鄉他因為六都的關係合併所以以高雄市的這個桃園區公所來看他在縣市合併之前 |
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他的稅入預算大約是17億可是呢他曾經一度失去公法人的地位4年之後2014年又恢復他的原住民區的一個公法人那他的稅入預算回來也是一樣17億可是我們看一下的結構他的稅購收入從過去合併前的70% |
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到現在是變成零幾乎百分之八十都要靠一般性的補助收入所以您剛才講的話就是地方的新生那為什麼會這樣他其實是因為地質法那時候修的時候他是寫 |
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山地原住民區實施自治所需的財源由直轄市依下列因素予以設算補助並維持改制前各山地相統籌分配的財源水準那也就是說他等中央政府的統籌分配稅款到縣市政府之後他又要等 |
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然後到他的一個上級政府到鄉鎮公所那有時候財政部呢他有抄收有紅包那他也是直接撥給縣市政府可是他們就不一定拿得到所以現在的一個狀況還有第二個狀況 |
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他的地制法這個83之七他說改制前各該山地鄉前三年度的稅客收入的平均數所以您看一下這個是高雄市桃園區也就是合併的園鄉區 |
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他改制前後他的收入是差不多的以桃園區來講大約是15億可是一般的原住民鄉我們可以看到他可以高達這幾年這個是泰安鄉可以多達20億那他是浮動的他有一些紅包可以收所以在這邊想要請教主計長如果說從預算考核的角度那麼稅客收入我們可以看 |
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這個稅客的收入就是是否叫補助收入對地方自治財政健全比較有幫助對的確的這個也是我們大家努力的方向說財化法要讓地方有更多的稅客收入不過我剛才逼近跟委員報告一下我可能要跟委員合對一下 |
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你那個金額在前面的那個17.6億恐怕是小數點飆有飆的我們再跟您辦公室合對謝謝那就請再到我的辦公室給我一些正確的收據但是我現在就是要講 |
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既然我前面我問了你的態度是支持肯定的那我現在問你也是支持肯定的所以我希望才化法第三條在我們的這個第四款增加一下直轄市園民區好嗎 |
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對可是他有一些指標那些指標在園民區在分配的時候就不一定能夠分配到稅客我必須這麼講對我們知道我們知道有這個不確定因素但是至少目前合併的園鄉區他們有這個困擾所以我希望是說這一次修法的時候我們會希望把第三條第四款來增加直轄市園民區 |
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你跟他的回答是贊同的嗎對 贊同的那我必須說明一下因為地方的稅大部分都是財產稅那個財產稅的話如果要增加收入那可能會有人反對說他那個財產價值又沒有增加那主計長可不可以這樣就是有機會可以到辦公室嗎我們來討論畢竟我們也要提出修法版本嘛 對不對謝謝主計長那接下來請審計長請審計長 |
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委員好好審計長您好根據審計部的非營業基金審核報告他常常提到原民會有一個原住民族綜合發展基金的問題那最常被詬病的就是這個原發基金呢 |
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他的預放比率是長年偏高確實因為最高我們一般的銀行預放比0.17%但是我們的原發基金他最高可以從20%那現在大概也有8%確實是太高了 |
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那你們的解釋是說有待從根本協助提升借貸戶的金融素養及財務管理能力所以我們也看到金管會或者是圓明會這些年也是去做了很多的一個教育宣導或者是普惠金融的一些政策那我想要請教一下沈記長 |
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您自己個人認為這個原住民族綜合發展基金預放比過高應該是誰的問題是原民會問題比較多還是原住民族原住民個人的問題比較多還是整個社會結構性的問題比較多 |
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我比較偏向委員後面那個問題因為嚴明我們一定要幫他啦所以能夠盡量協助他們因為金融研訓院他2020年的一個報告他有提出財務脆弱的六大族群那其中就有新住民原住民也就是說認為他們的財力是相對較弱的 |
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第2個問題就是說 |
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連土地都沒有了所以我想這個結構的問題那第三個就是說我們也看到原發基金他其實是有連年連續短促的一個問題所以這個也是一個很麻煩的問題那另外就是說我們有所謂的進法補償金那當然謝謝主計長主計處就是在我們質詢之下呢我看到就是去年的預算已經在今年開始放入公務預算而且是足額可是呢 |
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過去多年來都不足額而且是從重發基金的錢去處理那現在雖然補以去年來講雖然你補到21億但是他還是有一些短處的問題所以那個原發基金也是連年下降那我現在就是想要請教一下就是關於這個部分我們審計單位因為我們的原發基金他其實收入很有限 |
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但是呢我們看到他的用途還包括他要去做事業貸款之外還有很多包括要做我們的建構修繕還要去蓋社宅還要去做溫泉開發等等等很多 |
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那他錢就沒有很多啊然後也賺不了錢啊那怎麼辦呢所以這個部分我就是想要請教審計長因為這個原發基金他有連年短數貸款預放比過高等等等的問題需要做跨部會的檢討改進對不對這應該不是只有要問責原民會吧 |
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所以我希望審計部對於這個部分這個議題可不可以提出一個專案的審計報告給我的辦公室可以因為這個是這樣我們會我們的基本審核會把所有的基金看看它的盈餘怎麼樣 |
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但是我們都期待他錢越來越多啊因為要做的事很多所以幫我們跨部會來想辦法好不好先把脈診斷嘛給我們解方 |
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下一位質詢請李崑成李委員 |
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謝謝主席我們請主計長請朱主計長主計長好辛苦了這個 |
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看到今天的報紙提到美國的年度預算首度獨立台灣拜登政府在2025年的年度預算其中有一筆預算是1億美元這是對於台灣安全的歷史性投資 |
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這也是國際友台制中的一個高度的政治意義可是就預算法來探討這種編列方式它的法律效果有什麼差異就單獨編列這筆預算過去沒有的那如果按照這個主席處來講的話這筆預算單獨列出來它有沒有什麼特別意義在 |
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我的意思不管是錢還是物資因為過去都沒有單獨便利 |
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一筆預算特別是針對臺灣的那我的意思是說像這個如果我們的政府有特別編列一筆預算要做什麼事情那等於是像你說像現在拜登政府特別編列的意義要來這個協助臺灣的這個安全那他的這個預算編列上面他有沒有什麼特殊的意義在啦是是你說是在美國政府那表示對我們臺灣堅決的支持謝謝對對就是他的政治意義就是說這個 |
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堅決的堅持的臺灣而且是他一個他居然有有做這個事情他表示他嚴格執行臺灣關係法對對對我的意思是請教因為說因為他有特別把他編 |
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單獨編列嘛不是跟之前可能就是啊跟其他的印太地區啊編在一起有特別把它提出來啦那只是就這個這種編列方式就這個運算法的這個的意義來請教這個主計長那剛剛主計長也說這個是有特別他有他的法律的關係他的效益在好那本席再請教 |
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一百一十二年全國負稅收入又創歷史新高年增兩千餘億元高出預算數三千九百億元連續第三年優於預期這個超收這個超收也不等於是說國庫年度剩餘應該還要經過審計部的決算程序產生這個稅計的剩餘透過預算法的程序才可以編列使用 |
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那本席請教這個112年的這個稅計剩餘主計處初步估計剩下多少那有沒有特別使用的規劃的一個方向那個跟那個委員報告一下我們初步的估計大概是剩下1500億那個1500億的話我們要後來就剩下1500億左右那個所謂的3900多億 |
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是包括地方政府另外一個我們的那個錢在法律上它有規定要提多少作為場債的一個資用而且我們特別預算也有借錢所以把那個扣掉以後我們大概只剩下1500億我不能夠說我有數據剩餘然後我又去跟銀行借錢所以真正可以使用的就是1500億對不對對對對那有沒有什麼特殊的使用的用途勒 |
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那主計長的想法勒? |
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那本期再請教主計長物價指數上漲率2%那這個數字主計長看起來覺得怎麼樣 |
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那個是我覺得百分之二上下大家不要過於說有悲觀或者是樂觀因為一般物價過分的負成長或者是接近零的話都有可能有那個通貨緊縮的疑慮像現在中國大陸那百分之二是算是溫和還是已經到了緊接溫和溫和溫和溫和溫和溫和我剛剛主計長講了好多次溫和就是 |
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是還沒有超過警戒右隊的對對對因為在這個110年之前這個都沒有超過2%然後111、112連續兩年超過那在過年這段時間今年的2月又達到這個3.08%再加上台電的電價有可能調整那所以在野黨也有在批評那這個國發會主委龔明星他也說如果這個電價漲了10% |
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推升CPI大概會上漲0.2到0.3全年的CPI這個增加大概會達到2%以上那請教一下主計長的看法我尊重他的說法至於說0.2到0.3那要看那個轉嫁的程度那個轉嫁的程度的話因為沒有事實資料因為有些東西那個雖然說他成本高 |
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續約會不會漲價也不一定另外一個他可能因為生產力的提高就不會漲價像我們的外銷物品現在整個都是下跌的外銷物品那主計長這個你再預測一下今年年度的CPI大概是會多少我大概是大概是百分之二左右的謝謝就算電價有調漲也大概是落在百分之二左右百分之二上下百分之二上下有可能再下嗎 |
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但是就是主計長認為說如果在2%左右增長率也算是溫和就對了也但是不必過於悲觀啦不必過於悲觀好本期再請教主計長關於這個閒置資金的問題就是台灣可能這個過去這個儲蓄是美德 |
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我們的超額儲蓄每年都創新高2024年的預測大概超額儲蓄會有3.84兆然後超額儲蓄率是達到15.46%大概每年都有增加但是儲蓄是美的但是超額儲蓄好嗎? |
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超額儲蓄在我們講說這個儲蓄的錢一定要利用利用的話當然是說要做實質的投資是一個方向但沒有做實質的投資的話我們像去做金融做國外的金融投資也是對國內有幫助就像我們央行 |
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但是我看這個數字就是說從2021年開始 |
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我們超額儲蓄大概每年都有3兆以上對都3兆多那這個那主計長認為說我們是希望說透過政策引導能夠把這個民間的這個投資在一些公共建設上面但是我看來好像這幾年這個這部分政府的這個政策工具是沒有做到啦不然這個民間的這個超額儲蓄都還是有到這個3兆以上每年都是3兆以上 |
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對因為他做投資他一定要未來說這個營業可以增加如果說他的那個投資未來沒有帶動營業的增加營業物的增加那個投資可能就是一個浪費所以說要做怎麼投資我們必須考慮而且 |
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是不是一定要做實質投資就不一定像新加坡也是做很多金融投資瑞士也有都是有很高的超核儲蓄但是他們有做實質投資也有那我們有嗎我們在這方面有做到嗎我們這邊是那個金融投資比較少所以我們金融市場的發展還是很重要對國外的一個投資還是很重要我是認為就是說這個我們不管是你講的金融投資或者實際上的這一個 |
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具體的建設投資這個看起來是沒有做到不然不會說每年這個超額儲蓄都超過3兆那剛剛有提到說我們這個每一年我們的稅收都是會超收那是不是請這個主計處這邊在針對去年度的這個超收的四大項目比如說政所稅也超收營業稅也超收政交稅也超收營業所的稅也超收 |
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主席主席 |
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稅收項目,比如說在綜合所得稅上面,過去是基進成長率,現在可以看基本工資的調整,還有政策利率的調升。營業稅方面,我們看民間消費率的成長。營業交易稅方面,我們當然是維持日均的成交值,選擇區間不同。 |
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銀翼事業所得稅這方面我們來看這個出口還有工業生產指數就是說你們的這個可以參考的這個指數很多不是只有參考這個一個經濟成長率那這樣子所做出來的模型算出來的這個預算數是不是會比較準確也不會說每年都這個我們的這個預算數就實際上徵收的這個數額會超過這個預算數 |
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委員的建議我完全同意不過我必須跟委員報告一下財政部目前也正在委託專家水準在做這方面的研究我是希望說這個不要每年都是抄收啦抄收雖然是好事也代表說我們財政部在這個編列預算的時候這個還不夠詳實好不好謝謝主席現在請陳玉珍陳委員 |
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首先本席肯定審計部長久以來有依法獨立行使審計職權不受不當的干涉有提出中央及地方縣市政府的審核決算報告 |
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那在我看到你們對這個111年因為今天很多人都提很多我們全國的事情應該來講一些金門的這個相關的這個審計和主計方面的事宜111年金門縣總預算的執行結果稅率決算數是123億多是近5年的新高當然是因為我們很主動積極地爭取中央補助款 |
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但是受那個COVID-19那個影響捐贈和規費不如預期所以金門縣的自主財源的金額比例從40億33%比107年減少了8億多就是少了11.03%等於我們的金門縣的這個自酬財源比例就是變成近5年的這個新低顯示這是你們寫的顯示對金門對這個上級政府 |
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補助收入的仰賴日益生那110年金門縣的稅率稅出相比短處17億多連續6年的這個巨額短處財政的這個失衡狀況就越來越嚴重了雖然我們現在是沒有債務但是我們還要付很多包括救治的公務人員退休金優惠存款例行就要付53億多對日後的財政金門縣日後財政可能產生這個負擔這個是你們寫的 |
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你們的這個報告對因為那個金門雖然沒有負債但是我們觀察出來他現在每年都有短軸現在的大部分本島的縣市每年的都有大部分都開始有剩餘有都已經有剩餘的金門出現反現象對就是因為財政的財政就是越來越差了他有短軸所以我們想請那個主計來談一下主計長謝謝主計長 |
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主計長好來那個你們有一個各直轄市和縣政府的財力及時表對吧對根據這個規定就是中央對直轄市縣政府的計劃型補助款按照這個及時表給不同的比例對吧對那基本是第幾級啊你們總共有5級嘛齁 |
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對5級對金門是第幾級?第三級我們金門為什麼第三級?第三級是哪些?台南市、高雄市、新竹市我們是離島欸跟台南高雄排在一起我們有一個那個集次的那個行之多年的一個方法你們的標準是什麼呢? |
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那個如果是直轄數的話因為有6個第一級1個第二級2個第三級3個阿另外16個的話阿第三級會有5個第4級5個第5級6個我知道就是每一個級次就是我們是採相對的概念對就是555嘛我也知道你們按照3個這個5個5個5個 |
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對我是說縣市的吼五個五個五五六又16個縣市那你看一百年吼民國一百年六組成立吼這個各縣市這個有變化我們同樣是離島的澎湖跟連江就是馬祖都從第三級跳到第五級為什麼我們金門還是在第三級那個金門的大家也都知道 |
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今天到今天都沒有借錢過我知道今天沒有借錢啊但是你這樣子是懲罰我們這種好小孩模範生喔因為我們沒有借錢所以你們就要我們自己輸多一點啊 |
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不是就是那個補助款就是本來就是說比較好的我們就是比例比較少比較好的財政就補助少一點比較差的財政就補助多一點所以基本線應該把財政弄爛一點讓你們補助多一點自己少出一點比爛就對了那個是我跟各位講我們的方法如果你往上升的話我們還有獎勵措施 |
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你看我們110年到110年你看我們的財政狀況我們現庫存款已經從195億剩下105億我們這幾年已經減少了90億可是我跟各位講你們的累計剩餘還是那個成長財政的剩下的那個累計剩餘還是成長率還是全國第二高就是我們表現還是很好因為金門高粱酒還是算賣得不錯我們也是努力在喝但是 |
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但是你可以這樣子讓我們為了為了我們自己的財政努力的喝高粱酒但是讓我們中央給我們補助館一直聞風不動的要自己出這麼多嗎?那你就好像學生如果考試考得好那老師就不給獎勵你說讓我們把他考到不要每次都考90分要考到50分這樣才會獎勵我們 |
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我沒有讓你們說是怎麼說什麼你們都是在第三集嘛是那個縣市對第三集啊我們怎麼跟臺南啊高雄啊這大都會啊新竹我知道縣市就是新竹市嘛現在新竹有科學園區啊 |
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11478.986 |
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阿你們也有很好的地理環境阿我就說阿你就夠盡都會不會救錢阿相對其他的阿所以你想說我們如果是救錢你才會給我們補助多一點就對了是這樣因為我們沒有借錢所以我們只好自己出多一點錢來給自己地方做建設所以我們如果是有救錢你就會給我們更多一點因為就會變成因為我們就可能有負債有負債就可以從3級改成4級改成5級你是鼓勵我們這樣做嗎沒有沒有你講一下 |
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貴縣的累計剩餘65億他的那個成長很少啊已經從100多億剩下200億剩下100億再剩下60億了很快會變負債僅次於台北市我知道啦我的意思是說你剛剛的說法是說因為我們的五存幾億所以你就沒有辦法給我們那麼好的那麼多補助沒有我想請問主計長所以如果我們去借錢你就會給我們比較多的補助因為我們的財政就會變差嘛 |
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沒有這種推論沒有這種推論因為我跟你講我給這個是什麼軍門的補助款那個是什麼跟一 |
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一一三跟一一二比較的話他的成長啊是是百分之九點七那個我知道我知道我們很努力我們很努力爭取那個是你這是總額我說的是比例就是說一樣建設下來第三級的縣市比例補助多少啊比如他九十九十二 |
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我們必須把財政收支方法就是要讓窮的能夠得到更多一些...主計我只是想請問你喔我們金門縣沒有那麼我們很辛苦啦我們為什麼就是要比澎湖跟馬祖多兩級我們自己出的錢就是要多出很多比如他們補助90%我們要如果是馬祖跟連江同一個建設是馬祖跟這個澎湖啦同一個建設 |
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11568.022 |
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新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞 |
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對不對?你要讓我們把財政...就讀書比較好一直考90分那就是不給你多一點獎勵你再考到50分呢獎勵多一點糖果給多一點這樣子很不公平啦你要不要思考一下怎麼來幫助我們金門縣那我們比如說不要...我是希望將來跟馬祖跟那個澎湖一樣第5集啦啊不行你至少讓我們第4集我們怎麼跟新竹市比啊不是用喊的嘛你看看齁你是 |
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11614.89 |
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11633.516 |
| transcript.whisperx[411].text |
你看你是用近3年度決算審定的自有財源比率的平均值嘛自有財源比率的平均值嘛我們排名第6啦現在排名第4要降到第6才能變成第4級嘛就是說我們必須自有財源降低嘛 |
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11644.703 |
| transcript.whisperx[412].text |
一時而後我們久的要賺少一點我們才可以中央補助多一點那你就是懲罰好學生你理解我在說什麼嗎?你剛剛不是這個意思嗎?我知道財政部那個部分包括各個部會都有相關這個履歷我都知道我只是要說在最根本的地方我們希望來 |
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11664.537 |
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11682.196 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].text |
解決這個問題就是我們的這個分級裡頭我們覺得說我們不能跟新竹市比啦科學園區我們跟馬祖跟澎湖一樣都是離島縣市我們的財政之所以好是因為我們自己真的很努力在經營這個金酒 |
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| transcript.whisperx[414].end |
11688.178 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].text |
今天不能讓我跟馬祖跟澎湖一樣那至少讓我們至少到第4屆這個部分你是不是幫我們思考一下不然我覺得當好學生好像一直沒有受到鼓勵啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].start |
11706.944 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].end |
11736.144 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].text |
您了解我的意思嗎?我剛才講到因為是好學生所以我們的一般補助款增加的是在縣市排名是第二謝謝我知道我沒有增加補助款是因為比如說縣市政府要努力去寫計畫我們在中央要努力跟各個部會要求拜託施壓來增加相關的各個計畫的這個補助款你這個整個回去沒關係主計長你這個回去想一下這個是本期財政委員會的重點 |
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11736.904 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].text |
陳克勤議員 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[417].end |
11780.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].text |
來,接著我們請羅敏帥委員主席各位出列席官員大家好,主席可請朱記長請朱記長朱記長你好 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].start |
11784.036 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].end |
11801.506 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].text |
你在這個位置等了很久了可以說是一夫當光萬夫莫及一個人擋在這邊我想請講主席講一個做很多的事情10年前台灣的貧富懸殊大概是多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].start |
11802.817 |
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11812.791 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].text |
他們今天台灣的貧富懸殊又是多少就是如果分為五等份的話十年前那個最高的時候是6.3到6.4級到6.3到6.4間那目前是6.15謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].start |
11818.001 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].end |
11839.261 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].text |
所以你意思說貧富懸殊變低了最近幾年稍微有提高一點但是跟前面的您講的10年前是稍微還是有下降你講的這個數據喔你自己講的很開心我們可以把那個資料拿來看看但是我可以把那個圖給那個委員看你有可能即將離去喔離去的時候臨上秋波啊 |
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11844.264 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].end |
11858.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[421].text |
你跟拜登一樣要繼續要再擔任主計長 我不會啦 我不會啦 我的任期蔡總統是我的派練室他發的他5月19日離開我也是5月19日離開民調數據可能也會說話 就是主計長在一般民眾的心裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].start |
11865.839 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].end |
11883.272 |
| transcript.whisperx[422].text |
是覺得他應該要做點事情的他是應該要把環境改善好的他是應該對於社會上的一些弱勢一些負責越負的情況貧者越貧的情況應該要做點事把他拉近應該讓所有的年輕人 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].start |
11885.673 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].end |
11889.655 |
| transcript.whisperx[423].text |
對你可以說但是年輕人他會覺得不滿足啊你想想看 |
| transcript.whisperx[424].start |
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一顆茶葉蛋,請問一下茶葉蛋一顆多少錢?價格不一樣啦,你問我,我會準備啦,對不對茶葉蛋啦,那個全家來的話OK的一顆15塊啦15塊?13塊啦,甚至7-11還是10塊,18塊的是手掌蛋啦手掌蛋那個還有一個是19塊的我不會再被你騙啦對不對 |
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對你去查了很清楚所以你要更應該要了解到年輕人一般民眾心裡的痛苦以前我們去吃一個蛋一個蛋才五塊啊現在吃一個蛋要十幾塊主計長你還這樣笑嘻嘻的其實我心裡是覺得蠻難過的齁因為我們常講說一夜之秋 |
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我覺得這個叫什麼一旦知愁啊一顆蛋就可以了解到民眾的內心是多麼的憂愁每個年輕人在台灣就好像是一隻鐵籠裡面的松鼠一直轉一直轉那請問主計長他哪一天他可以下來他可以看到外面的陽光看不到嘛因為薪資永遠趕不上物價的上漲 |
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一般的民眾啊就每天就好像是一個機器人一樣人是活的心是死的在台灣他看不到他永遠的未來看不到摧殘規律的明天 |
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主計長在此同時我們都把那個這個所有的視野都關著關在台灣自己看然後看的數字覺得哇宣布的好開心那我請教一下主計長現在新加坡平均的實質薪資是多少新加坡因為他物價水水的高他們大概薪資大概接近我們的大概是 |
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所以至少他一個月平均是可能領新台幣8萬以上 |
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你知道現在有多少台灣的年輕人他不要在台灣工作寧願跑到新加坡去工作很多外流的人才金融的人才很多人都跑出去了很多人他的心理想法就是說我去新加坡工作沒關係我每天吃泡麵我辛苦一點我挨個三年五年我可以賺得奔滿 |
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欸錢就可以累積很多可以賺很多的錢至少人個幾年回來就有一些收入可是在台灣目前的情況就是三個字苦苦苦 |
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所以我希望主計長你在可能即將要離去的這個時間你也沒有什麼壓力了你應該把你內心真正對台灣人民好對年輕人可以照顧的事情你要勇敢去做比如說 |
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與其錢亂亂花倒不如去年稅收超徵我們沒有亂花我們沒有亂花每一個人今年度就發一萬塊紅包不要再騙我說沒錢了每次都說沒錢最後還不是照發83條第4款不要用那個發紅包就是利用83條第4款那個又會碰到那個所以我們最後也是發了 |
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立法院你也很清楚每次講不行的最後都行你不要把人民的血汗錢花在浪費的特別預算上面與其亂花倒不如趕緊來照顧年輕人年輕人多麼盼望你的一萬塊你上次一萬塊沒有發結果你發六千塊我沒有去理 |
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我表達了實質的抗議因為你如果給我一萬塊我一萬塊我會捐出去但是我希望今年你可以從善如流不要讓他發錢把錢發給每個民眾一人普發現金一萬塊發給每個人紅包一萬塊主計長你能不能最後做點好事 |
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我錢可能要用在更恰當的方向可能要發在更恰當的方向沒有,你所用的這個錢簪啊很多現在都是蚊子管沒有啦,錢簪我們就有做安根縣啊跟那座維園選根基啊安根縣有做到,我要謝謝你啊但是很多沒有做到的啊做得好,我們會獎勵可是做不好的實在太多太多了就是唯一的要求就一個人發一萬 |
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那剛剛有講到說臺電可能現在即將又要塑造這個氛圍要漲價其實民眾已經受不了啦主計長你應該要講點良心的話齁就是臺電如果漲價漲10%那以後所有的士農工商我們所面臨的吃吃喝喝交通會不會漲我們早餐店會不會漲 |
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另外一波可怕的漲幅即將在電價漲10%以後又陸續漲開那請問主計長你能不能保證所有壽星階級所有年輕人薪資也可以漲10%今天委員報告一下我們這個 |
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這個臺電的漲價倒是考慮到它臺電的那個成本我們不能夠一直說用那個預算去貼補因為不是每年都有稅收超出主計長那又來了選前說不會缺電啊臺灣不缺電選前騙選票選後又繼續要跟人民撈鈔票來補貼臺電缺電跟電價反映成本是兩回事 |
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那你為什麼要漲?那台電為什麼要漲?那你為什麼說台灣不缺電?選錢啊! |
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我們也講說不缺電了而且台灣目前也沒有說有缺電台灣目前也沒有所謂的缺電了那你說台灣缺不缺電目前沒有目前明天會不會有我不曉得那個是對你在明天不曉得的情況在未來不知的情況你來恐嚇人民說一定要漲10%不然台電會倒 |
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台電倒跟一般的受薪階級有什麼關係?你政府要讓他不要倒啊你可以買軍購花幾千億幾千億這樣花那你為什麼要讓台電倒?還有一個美國現在他編列預算說要給台灣一個預算那請問 |
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主計長台灣可以接受其他國家編列的預算嗎那你這個帳上怎麼算沒有他那個帳的話他們來就是說看是我不曉得他捐的方式如果捐的是錢我們當然會列在那個預算裡面如果捐的是物資那個國防部會列帳冊管理謝謝 |
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請問他編的項目是要做什麼用?是補助台電呢?還是編的預算要分給我們每個人一萬塊當作基金?你如果他是編武器的話,那我覺得這個不妥當吧? |
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你在其他的國家編武器鼓勵大家趕快兩邊去打仗你為什麼不編一個和平基金讓兩岸鼓勵趕快來洽談和平的事項兩岸不要打仗兩岸不要打架這個才是編的好的預算嘛你這個就好像以前小學在念書的時候一方面叫人家乖乖乖然後有的同學就慫恿你打他你打他打你 |
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打完以後我買乖乖給你吃這是什麼邏輯我們希望的是兩岸的和平我們不是需要拿到的預算然後買武器那你買武器對方說他要買武器兩邊就變成軍事的一個競購 |
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對台灣有好嗎?我們也需要和平可是現在是人家對我們最後因為時間到了那個今年的經濟成長率預測是多少今年的經濟成長率我們目前的預估是3.43 |
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我希望還是要體恤所有全民的辛苦就好像臺灣的股市現在已經兩萬點又上上下下上上下下的真正賺到錢的少之又少整個股市就一直台積電 |
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謝謝謝謝羅委員 |
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接下來我們請王世堅王委員主席有請我們的主計長請朱主計長 |
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謝謝主席主席長你今天上午在受訪的時候還有答詢委員的時候你提到那你講了一些我還以為你現在就要走了你是說你不會那麼丟臉主動表態留任對 |
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那我現在就跟你講那你也不能丟臉說走就走不是這樣嗎你要為國尊重啦我那個是說走是我的決定那人家要不要留任是人家的我不必去對要負責任到最後一分鐘對就這樣5月19號晚上12點因為這幾天 |
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昨天你公布的一些數字那確實我們現在不論是在薪資所得的差距收入的差距或者這個經濟成長方面通貨膨脹方面確實有一些狀況我以為是不是你馬上公布了這些招的狀況那就要趕快跑掉 |
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要留下來負責任啦至少這兩個月做一天和尚敲一天鐘我請教你一下齁在你可以掌管的兩兆八千億這麼多的預算編列裡面其實你就是國家的帳房不是嗎 |
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事實上既然你是國家的帳房那你也遇見到你們調查到的一些數字那可能我們會碰到一些通貨膨脹一些經濟成長方面碰到的問題 |
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那你有沒有對各部會提出警語啦你怎麼可以任由他們愛編多少就編多少不是這樣嗎沒有沒有跟委員報告一下我們的這些報告都是在發表之前就有通知各部會說會這個樣子 |
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那個各部會他就要採訪報告之前就有通知就有說說沒有沒有在這份報告裡面是沒有通知你把你有通知的你通知哪幾次你會整給我好不好你有沒有告知各部會對各部我們都公布在網站上各部會應該了解我們都有跟在要發布之前我們有跟總統副總統院長 |
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副院長都有做做一個說簡單的指數二月份誒物價指數急速的上升這到3.08這已經達到通貨膨脹的標準你很清楚嗎對不是這樣嗎跟那個委員報告一下因為去今年的過年是在二月 |
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去年的過年是在一月所以說去年的二月的基數比較低是因為我們的物價都是跟上個月去年的同一個月份比較所以去年的基數比較低所以就會比這部分你說明得很清楚我知道啦但是這確實是個大的警訊不是嗎 |
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更何況二月是過年沒錯可是再來四月是最傷腦筋的部分欸二月都這樣只是因為一個過年物價就這樣導致通貨膨脹那每年過年都會通貨膨脹囉那再來四月電價要大幅上漲的話如果跟上一年的過年的月份也是一樣的話就不會說是有3.08的現象 |
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那個並不是說碰到個年節那物價就會漲成這個樣子那是季節性的現在看到的不一樣現在看到的我們有潛在的通貨膨脹的危機我相信你很清楚我就跟你講四月份電價要上漲但是電價又不得不上漲那怎麼辦我想 |
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主計總這一個部分你要多花點心思啦4月還在你任期內嘛不是嗎對 我有提出一些數據分析給那個相關的部會我必須跟委員報告一下我主計總處只是把數字呈現出來我不能因為這個數字去說你們該怎麼做因為政策是由各部會來決定這樣子啊 這個數字發出這個警語雖然不聽話我看數法不吧 |
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都已經有這麼多的狀況他還在那邊用那麼高的租金去租那麼豪華的大樓那總共總花了連租金連連莊王花了3億6這個東西你何止僅餘你應該當面跟他講說你這是不對的 |
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要反對他編列才對不是這樣嗎可是我報告一下他們有請國有財產署提供一些但是國有財產署有都提列不出來就是沒有辦法找到提列不出那麼好的適當的位置供他們去享用就對了因為在台北市中心要找出適當的空間並不可能我很感謝你把很多 |
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新聞新聞新聞新聞 |
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現在我們上班族遇到這三老金的問題我們的工時越來越長那麼所得薪資越來越低而且貧富差距也是創下這10年來的最高根據你的數字前20後20差了6.15倍那這些都是狀況都是問題你有遇見到是很好那你也提到那個我們有高達 |
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委員會主席 |
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但是相對應的我相信以你這40年來的公職生涯你應該有很多好的具體的看法至少對各部會發出警語至少約束他們經常性預算的增加不是這樣嗎跟著我的報告我的公職生涯在就在主計總處來的話到5月19號才8年了那以前在健保局服務 |
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對阿以前我是在學校教並沒有在公家機關很久謝謝喔那那你你在健保局的也不算公職生涯就對了對我那個時候是街調謝謝 |
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那不算工資嗎建保局對是借調謝謝好那至少好你這8年以你學友專精你這8年來你對我們市政府的瞭解那你應該提出很多警語很多建言不是這樣對我們都有一些資料而且我都如實的表達沒有去美化這個數字而且我的認定 |
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在這幾年我就是要讓首長每一個首長他們花錢要合法化而且要經過大院同意謝謝好時間暫停主計長你請回我再兩分鐘問一下我們的審計長委員好 |
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市長對於改善所得分配這其實是刻不容緩我知道政府這8年來長時期都在做經濟部也有提出他們的幾項政策那我就是想讓你簡短的答覆說你認為啦以你的觀察你的監督你認為經濟部過去關於 |
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要這個改善所得分配他們提出的這些政策你認為成效如何? |
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因為從主計總處的統計裡面他是擴大的再主要就是因為這些現在的因為科技上的一個問題有的很高有的很低大部分都很低有這樣的一個情形就是今年有青年有低薪的問題剛剛委員也顯示出來實足薪資也下降所以這個等個 |
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頻率就開始產生不均這個部分我們審計部113年會通盤近期瞭解包括委員所提的經濟部的部分我們因為7月 |
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都剛剛委員也有顯現他的那個薪資的貢獻那個都降下來了所以這幾分我們會來努力會來 |
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那個公務員對我們各部會我們公家機關你特別有這個這樣子的實質的監督的考核我們立委在看到預算的時候沒辦法看到每一個層面那麼多我們比方說我們在這個我們只能監督財政部金管會這些 |
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其他部會也會變成這個力有畏膽但是審計部你握有這個審計權你也可以 |
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透過檢察院有糾舉有糾正這樣子的權利所以我相信你們講話各部會更能夠聽進去啦國家給你信託就對了我們立法院這個我們的執掌關係那我們這樣子對預算的審核對他們政策成效的如何我們檢討率可能不如你們 |
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所以這一點我必須要特別要求你也算是拜託你們應該要對這一些政策實質下去做審查好不好好謝謝委員的鼓勵我們會來努力謝謝好謝謝來謝謝謝謝王委員喔接著我們請謝一鳳委員 |
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主席好。我想要請我們主計長。主主計長。委員好。主計長早。你那個茶葉蛋調查沒有確實喔。我記得全家有一個麻辣茶葉蛋,好像二十幾塊。 |
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因為我不曉得有瑪娜產業單位,我們的同仁知道,謝謝。那我想要請教你,你預估今年的CPI是1.85對,那個是沒有包括電價,謝謝。因為那個電價目前到底調多少,目前的幅度不曉得,我們沒有辦法做預估,謝謝。 |
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所以是不包含電價嘛那你2月份你說是因為基期的關係所以年增率是3.08%可是如果加上電價咧比如說如果未來加上電價有沒有可能今年度的物價指數的征服會超過2 |
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可能但是那要看那個未來的那個所謂的那個那個那個就是說蔬菜水果的一個情況因為蔬菜水果是一個未知數有沒有颱風啊或者是那個能源價格國際間的能源價格的影響 |
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所以也有可能就是其他的蔬果的價格那當然了我看了去年度的就是說前幾年的如果物價上調的時候PPI也同樣都會上調那 |
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生產那個PPI上升的時候會不會就是讓製造業的這個電價上漲的成本轉嫁到所有消費者可能可但是是不是完全百分之百轉嫁那個很難講那個我想委員很清楚的要看那個供需彈性而且他如果說技術進步的話他可以吸收 |
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但是我是說但是大部分的情況下在這個電價上漲的時候都會轉嫁到消費者身上嗎那個是就是我們有直接直接效果直接效果因為我們民生用電腦的占CPI的全數大概是1.2%但是另外一個 |
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那個就是從供給面來看委員清楚供給面來看的話他那個會不會轉嫁就是我剛才講的所以你覺得超過2%還是到2.5%你預測有時候人家你都看人家不一樣啊因為我要看他的一個漲幅他對於說漲價的程度那個是假定那個是假定的所以目前的漲價的幅度都是假定的 |
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媒體說的：轉嫁的那應該要看它是否會有多少轉嫁而且它的據我知道台電的方案它可能會有一個規模大小可能漲幅可能會不一樣工業用電也漲幅不一樣是不是有據我知道有這個規劃未來這個要看電價審議委員會的那一個審議決定 |
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但我們央行總裁我們楊總裁說未來CPI2%是常態你讚不讚同我是認為因為世界各國都是認為而且我們這個2%跟其他國家比較起來是比較低的在東亞這幾個國家我們只有比那個香港高 |
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所以你覺得未來台灣的這個就是物價指數的上漲的年增率都是2%以上對那應該是國際間的比較我不敢說都是2%那個我剛才講的未知數是不確定的 |
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還有一個事情這其實電價的上漲還有我們3月15號還有碳費的這個審議的那個第一次開會那你預估今年的經濟成長率是3.43%你認為 |
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如果電價上漲然後還有我們攤費徵收等等相關的這些因素產生的時候你這個3.43%你有沒有信心可以達到跟那個委員報告一下我們的估計對那個電費的對GDP的影響大概是0.1個百分點所以不大當然要看到 |
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展覆了如果他的展覆沒那麼多會比0.1更低所以你的模型裡面顯示電價對於GDP的成長是沒有影響的0.1跟委員報告0.1就是有200多億了 |
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到底是有還是沒有?當然有啊!200多億不小啊!因為我們的GDP大概是今年可能接近25兆啊!那個0.1個百分點就是大概200多億啊! |
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你剛才聽起來像沒有,你現在又說有,如果碳費加進去?碳費的話目前什麼時候調到都還沒有確定所以還沒確定就對了對,我們也沒有再做那個估計不確定的東西我在每天都要發布說會怎麼樣這樣的會影響政策我一再強調我們 |
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只做會計統計的一個工作那做政策的我們只做敘述統計不做那一種價值的一種敘述我可以跟你講以前的預測是在國外我們不要在這裡談學術性的問題我們討論一個在什麼樣子的情況下到底你預估的這個3.43%不會達成會怎麼樣不會達成 |
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不過那個就是所謂的一個是什麼像那個是什麼油價的上漲油價今年度很因數很大是不是對油價因為我們估目前估計油價是以81塊多來好來估計80接近82塊來好來估計那據說將來油價的會一個很大的會有一個影響他的漲幅 |
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接下來我們請張祺凱委員 |
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主席、主席、主席、主席、主席、主席、主席、主席、主席、主席、主席、主席、主席、 |
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資深的審計人員跟主計人員要跟你們致敬你們為人民勘緊的荷包對國家貢獻是很大的齊凱今天要先給大家看一個畫面這個委員我相信很多資深的主計跟審計人員印象應該很深刻這是30年前同樣在這個地方財政委員會那陣的審計一定有跟蘇政平 |
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13716 |
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立法委員王建宣當過財政部長的王建宣他質詢蘇貞平他這樣說他說有部分的機關以遠超過市價的價格去承租辦公室浪費了民脂民膏他整個審計中有風骨的蘇貞平他講 |
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他已經開始注意這問題了：已經把最近幾年高價成豬的單位列為清查重點王建宣阿安盟：說你這老骨看能處理好誰：孫生平怎麼說：孫生平說這事我半年做不好我就切腹自殺媒體的評價是說：是一個有風骨的審計長 |
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審計長很期待今天我執行的主計長叫審計長一樣是有風骨的好不好我們肯定主計人員跟審計人員的貢獻所以我今天把大家懷念的這個畫面調出來給大家看了可是呢我們來看下一張數位發展部我先問一件事情他為什麼一定要在市中心他租金為什麼一年半要花掉七千萬更離譜的 |
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他為什麼要用掉裝潢費就三千萬朱記長主計長你懂說為什麼批准這筆預算那個我們是那個朱軍是一個整筆他他到底要要在發發在多少上面那個是我不能夠說因為他有去找國有財產署希望國有財產署幫忙他找結果都沒有適當的方式我打岔你的話你剛才說他一定要在市中心 |
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| transcript.whisperx[506].text |
大家看一下唐鳳怎麼說我在大上班我在大都沒關係數位服務本來為什麼一定要在市中心阿要在淡房區阿他說直接拿這個筆點下去就可以批改阿指紋上去就可以簽公文阿他就不跟你講我在哪裡上班都不是很重要欸主計長 |
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主計長,行政院對於所有的部會所有的機關在外面出辦公室是有要點有明確規範的他現在兩個部門他在新光大樓354人對不對才354個人喔他為什麼一定要在市中心為什麼354個人要用到一年半用到七千萬這不是民主民高嗎跟大家委員報告一下他們是 |
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他這個是過渡時期他未來是行政院的曾經在今年1月的時候的你能不能從今天回去檢討這筆錢不要再編了我再問你一個重要的事好不好他為什麼用掉3000萬的裝潢費用今天最新的新聞立法院院長韓國瑜把總務處長換掉了為什麼?一個立法院的裝潢費用30萬 |
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| transcript.whisperx[509].text |
數位部一間辦公室用掉三千萬的裝潢而且還是半個而已阿他有兩個地方對不對他一個清光大樓用掉三千萬差不多跟我們一百一十五個立法委員的裝潢費用差不多主計長我們兩個找時間把我審計中我們看一空間八角是不是第二個這個有沒有責任 |
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這樣好不好 把他當初 招標、絕標、公文、契約一個禮拜送到本席辦公室 這個是可能要跟數位發展不一樣 因為我這邊不能調他的我這邊不能調我沒有那個權利你錢開了這次不是你的 我現在追一個責任第一個 當初主計單位裡面是誰 |
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把這個批准的7000萬這是一個責任對不對?誰?把這個3000萬給他了?主計處都沒有責任?沒有責任嗎?對,他有他們的主計人員,他有他們的業務選擇那不是你管欸,你派到主計,你是一條鞭欸來來,抱歉抱歉,我今天時間我請問,請問審計,對不起 |
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你應該是有豐古的審計審計長啦老蔣你這段時間我們看你的結算報告都老蔣寫得不錯可以嗎?審計部可以這樣發錢嗎?我們今年會查今年會查今年會查齁然後 主計長 |
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13992.267 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].end |
14005.705 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].text |
你請你的在世衛部的主計人員把他的當初這個裝潢費用怎麼結標的、怎麼招標的公文一頁來上來幫我審。可以的話我們三個人一起去世衛部來看開箱。世衛部是空經過的是不是?為什麼要用3000萬的這個裝修費用? |
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可以請他們說明但是去調查他們的那個是不是要立法院我詳細前線不曉得本席要求還不行嗎?你要什麼程序?立委的前線不能調這個資料嗎?朱先生 |
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政府資訊公開是應該的這個也沒有弊端的話何懼之有看多久提供啊這個招標資訊這些都很公開啊我去執行所有的單位你第一次回到說 |
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| transcript.whisperx[516].end |
14070.075 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].text |
你沒有前線不能把這個資料送來你是第一個欸我沒有時候不能送來因為我不是這不是立委明定的前線嗎而且幫人民勘檢荷包不是只有我是你這麼多的審計人員主計人員在這裡那個過部會的權責就是說他可以數位您可以要求數位我當然會去跟數位部要可是我對著你嘛你關錢的啊 |
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你叫你的主計人員 欸 市委部有你的審計人員在嗎?有你的主計人員在嗎?當然有啊 有啊 你去拿啊 這個能不能這樣子 我必須 你不知道啊 以前所有的立法院員跟你講 要跟你拿資料 可能有弊端可能浪費的 你都這樣回答嗎 不是這樣子啦就是說 |
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14094.127 |
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14119.093 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].text |
委員如果有必要的話可以請求他們提供好我就是有必要不是請求他們請求你這個主計長你們有派人在這個一條邊嘛齁有在數位發展部裡頭嘛那你們主計的人如果當初應該也會提出相關意見如果沒有是不是有相關責任這也是我們張委員下去要追究的所以你們如果覺得沒有問題就提供資料這沒什麼政府資訊公開又是沒有我要去看法律的程序到底怎麼走謝謝 |
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14120.751 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].end |
14138.882 |
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朱主席你到底有什麼危難的地方?你現在完全違反立法院的職權要跟你要東西你怎麼可以這樣打?你這不是藐視國會嗎?不是藐視我一個立法院喔?是不是藐視國會?哪位同仁可以跟主席長講? |
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14146.516 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].end |
14160.907 |
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可以請那個署會說明但是調帳是不可以的來說明你這個招標的公開文件為什麼不行啊總統他要上去你說他的招標的過程怎麼提多少集招標、絕標 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].start |
14169.808 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].end |
14172.01 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].text |
這個應該都有公開資訊阿齁?你們統整一下送給張委員阿?政府的工廠勒? |
| transcript.whisperx[522].start |
14185.823 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].end |
14208.302 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].text |
是跟專委員說明一下喔因為依照我們預算法的部分我們是針對他的預算執行情形可以來請他這個地方來提供這個說明預算執行情形至於委員你提到的是涉及到合約的這個部分那合約的部分交由數位部他來提供說明你如果叫他來要說明什麼當然是合約書招標決標的問題他要說什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].start |
14211.725 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].end |
14237.012 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].text |
主計處就請他跟你講什麼當然是帶這兩個最關鍵的文件啊你們就請社會發展部的主計單位提供給你們總這個總處這裡總處在上海立法院就好了然後你就叫他把我剛講的這個東西招標絕標的一個合約書招標絕標的合約書可以不可以那個那個跟他們拿來這個我必須祝貴定五祝貴定五這五三必拼那個審計長審計長這個我必拼 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].start |
14240.911 |
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14257.127 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].text |
這個有秘密嗎?這大標、絕標阿大概在那個網站上阿對啊可能網站都已經有了你都還不給我還請主計總處整理出來就好了好不好好啦主計長一個禮拜啦一禮拜 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].start |
14259.049 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].end |
14265.774 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].text |
一星期內一星期內把你認為可以給我的資料我剛要求的公開招標的文件結標的文件還有合約書三個案好不好另外問一個也是很扯的事情比扯零還扯的看看剛講的 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].start |
14286.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].end |
14306.268 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].text |
這個有沒有行政責任的問題?這是不是牽扯到行政院搞不好都要糾正要談的問題?數位部本來要去什麼地方?要去南門市場的中繼站?代表省政府把你抓跌?把你抓跌?蓋了一個大家看那個畫面,美輪美奐,有八千萬的錢結果你叫數位部要那個地方? |
| transcript.whisperx[527].start |
14311.806 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].end |
14334.394 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].text |
那麼好的地方還被懲罰四年就把它拆掉這有沒有讓慧敏指名高這個中紀市長如果我沒記錯是臺北市政府的他去的啊你的土地啊那個國家的土地啊你做這個決策四年拆掉已經很離譜了我相信一般人民看了都心疼啦更離譜的你社會不公上 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].start |
14335.823 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].end |
14346.035 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].text |
已經拆掉了喔大家看到這個畫面房子被拆掉了這個本來可以繼續用的啊南門市場搬進去搬出去之後東門市場代表執行委員會說他要用結果你們市委部去講說他要在這地方蓋大樓同理已經在承認要承認現在說不要 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].start |
14356.633 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].end |
14371.516 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].text |
我所了解的是那個唐部長跟我講過他給他什麼地方的房子他就去住所以國有財產所給他什麼地方就去住現在因為他因為他沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].start |
14372.751 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].end |
14385.622 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].text |
沒有說是要或不要他有跟我講是國有財產署給他什麼地方房子他就去住所以他還是可能要去是不是沒有說不准去那一個地方將來又要做其他的一個用途他去了以後又要再搬 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].start |
14394.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].end |
14397.254 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].text |
增加更多的裝潢費為了你數位部跟NCC要去已經拆了 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].start |
14409.793 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].end |
14438.213 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].text |
你去那邊已經一圍平地了喔已經拆了你現在說沒辦法去我就跟他講那個房子是臺北市政府的對啊臺北市政府也是人民的錢啊人民納稅錢臺北市政府我們尊重那個地方自治行部長是跟我講政府要他去哪裡他就去哪裡朱國立我先請教你啦我們從人民的角度去看第一個一億八不應該花下去四年被拆掉這是第一個第二你站在主計長的 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].start |
14439.514 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].end |
14441.877 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].text |
邀請行政院主計長澤民、審計部陳審計長瑞敏率所屬單位主管列席 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].start |
14459.669 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].end |
14479.824 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].text |
這樣事情本來很好解決的嘛 要怎麼使用的話 可能要問國有財產署 可能要問國有財產署 我不能跟說有某一個步驟就全盤把他的一個什麼 主計長你平常是很有擔當的人 你今天在回答事情 都是一些社會部的事情 你是有擔當的人的 你是我優秀的家中學長 你評價是高的 你現在都收到百位了 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].start |
14488.106 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].end |
14516.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].text |
那個章委員齁我看這樣子齁第一個這個主計總處這邊麻煩提供...我們做個Ending好不好等一下等一下做個Ending今天審計長剛好在有風骨的審計長這個案子跟剛剛一樣查清楚好不好這次直接告訴我這個案子上次檢查你不只是糾正案我跟你說搞不好有好幾個人要被彈劾那個主計長你可以很清楚的表達這個案子你會查清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].start |
14517.287 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].end |
14518.048 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].text |
我們會對這個案子委員關心就是我們的事情我們來處理 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].start |
14534.072 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].end |
14550.411 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].text |
好啦 主委長是這樣好不好 當了這麼多優秀的主計人員跟審計人員我一開始都放了那麼多懷念的這段時間我們的主計人員要辛苦 審計人員辛苦對國家有貢獻嘛 看見人民的包嘛你大部分的地方有守住了可是為什麼一個數位發展部 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].start |
14552.158 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].end |
14572.746 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].text |
你一個辦公室你要怎麼租 要點是清清楚楚的三萬四十二個人可以租大大辦公室每一個人空間多大 這都是有要點的喔 有法規法例面幫人民看緊荷包主計總是有權利去調整 我們都會去調整學長 比較早調好 稍後拿給我 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].start |
14577.708 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].end |
14582.572 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].text |
希望我們都是交通之光幫人民看緊荷包 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].start |
14603.386 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].end |
14621.459 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].text |
主要前者是審計部,審計部要加油,審計部啦,審計長,審計部啦,剛才這個委員提的都是審計部的事情,審計部要加油,要提出來要請哪一位?好,我們請主計長 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].start |
14628.394 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].end |
14656.677 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].text |
那個好這個建制原住民族族群主流化友善公共空間的計畫嚴明會提出來一再的被阻擋第一次第二次到第三次減少經費這已經核定了但是現在去檢討是說他的計畫的內容非常好但是一直被 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].start |
14662.311 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].end |
14668.835 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].text |
像這樣的一個本來要蓋實處部落都市的原住民族的記惠所 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].start |
14670.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].end |
14694.267 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].text |
因為你的經費減少所以只能剩下3處一個計劃一個計劃中長城計劃只有3處本來要10處減少了7處他不得不減少因為你的經費減少嘛不給他那麼多嘛所以他只好減少像這個營造文化公共空間也是一樣本來要20處 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].start |
14696.038 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].end |
14712.771 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].text |
啊因為你經費不給他那麼多所以他只好減少啊是減少所以這樣的一個啊如果我們再去對比剛才講的那個啊那你看這個是這樣一個好請說 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].start |
14714.298 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].end |
14718.9 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].text |
一個公建計劃公建計劃的話審核因為他要計劃審核通過才會到我們這邊編預算所以他的公建計劃每年有一定的我都問過了啦沒有我跟你講 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].start |
14732.467 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].end |
14753.795 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].text |
很多單位都會最後把責任賴給主計總處,謝謝國發會召開這個計畫是報行政院,行政院交付給國發會來審查國發會審查所邀請的主要的就是主計處了沒有啦,我們主計處只是可以表示意見而已啦整個第一次提案,第二次提案,第三次提案後來 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].start |
14761.557 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].end |
14785.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].text |
這個相關的這些最重要的都市原住民聚落的營造聚落永續新家園本來要改善六處然後是需要的經費都提供結果後來因為經費沒有給那麼多只好減少了所以這個部分變成是這樣的一個情形 |
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14795.879 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].end |
14796.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].text |
我們就看預算書好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].start |
14815.848 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].end |
14843.595 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].text |
一百一十三年今年的預算書只有編列六千萬,非常的少跟我在過去在臺灣省政府的時候針對都會期的中長城計畫要比真的是差太多了這裡面你看包含了都市地區的集會所、祭典場所、永續新家園的這些計畫 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].start |
14845.404 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].end |
14864.281 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].text |
一百一十三年度才六千萬這麼大的都會期從基隆一直到高雄的都會期像這樣的一個經費真的是太少太少了而且很重要的我們來看這個一個新的計畫不該編的編了 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].start |
14873.57 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].end |
14897.079 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].text |
該編的沒有編這個經費已經夠少了結果你看委託辦理計畫補助審查評比作業原則規劃建置資訊整合系統先導及教育訓練多少編了這麼多經費然後還有委託辦理什麼業務先導經費 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].start |
14900.646 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].end |
14926.17 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].text |
什麼媒體政策及業務先導經費變了那麼多千萬、十萬、三百萬你想想看一個新的計畫我要蓋個部落機會所還沒有蓋啊我要蓋一個都市原住民的機會所還沒有蓋啊就花了這麼多的先導費該編的不編 |
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14932.833 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].end |
14939.839 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].text |
現在這錢已經夠少了結果還先導費變那麼多所以這個部門的這個我們會去了解因為他的執行情況以及說他的那個為什麼我是建議了主計長請嚴明會把這些費用 |
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14952.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].end |
14953.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].text |
已經拿去宣導了趕快制止好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].start |
14970.742 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].end |
14970.802 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].text |
羅智強委員 |
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| transcript.whisperx[556].end |
15014.321 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].text |
主席有請主計長跟審計長朱主計長陳審計長主計長剛我聽到你跟張祺凱委員的打詢那很抱歉本人就是去年召開記者會千拜託萬拜託 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].start |
15034.468 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].end |
15060.752 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].text |
能夠把東門市藍門市場中繼站不要拆掉留給東門市場作為中繼站因為1.8億是民脂民膏你知道行政院當時給我的回答是什麼嗎我告訴你你剛一直推給臺北市政府說是臺北市政府的房子可是你知道臺北市政府來看一下公文 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].start |
15062.401 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].end |
15088.895 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].text |
看下公文那個簡報的公文亮出來臺北市政府臺北市政府有要求請求行政院可以把華光特二用地作為東門市場改建的安置市場也就是希望能夠延期租用臺北市政府有沒有行為行政院我不清楚 |
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15089.349 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].end |
15108.522 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].text |
我告訴你就是行政院啊你知道行政院怎麼回答嗎他說不行因為這塊地要來去蓋通訊傳播委員會跟速發部的辦公大樓所以無法同意貴府延長租用你去年6月5月是跟我這樣講的捏結果你剛剛跟張啟凱說 |
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15110.816 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].end |
15135.633 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].text |
你說這個是臺北市政府臺北市政府的房子地是國產署的他拜託千拜託萬拜託說你今天南門市場改建完成東門市場也可以用這塊地就不用拆掉1.8億的這個建築物結果你們行政院跟我講不行那塊地我要蓋樹發布然後要求說 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].start |
15137.205 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].end |
15166.357 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].text |
叫東門市場就在速發部這個所謂的準備要用的這個地南門市場終於在旁邊旁邊喔就是旁邊的空地另外蓋一個東門市場中繼站這已經是非常離譜的事情你速發部當時你有本事你就蓋旁邊工地啦那你為什麼今天硬要拆掉1.8億主計長我告訴你這不打緊審計長我也拜託你這件事也請審計部查一下這就算了 |
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15167.577 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].end |
15185.747 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].text |
我上次質詢蘇發部我真的差一點要被氣死我說為什麼你們這個一定要拆那1.8億啊一定要幹你蘇發部辦公室你這麼偉大唐鳳竟然跟我講說沒有我沒有要去那裡啊所以原來全部都是一場誤會啊主計長我請問你你掌管我們國家主計省長掌管我們國家省計你覺得這樣浪費公帑是對的嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].start |
15197.671 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].end |
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已經拆了瓦礫一堆了真的沒有這樣幹的啦那你是跟我講去年五月行政院給的公文是騙大家嗎他當時是用這個理由說要拆掉這個中繼站1.8用這個理由說要拆的耶那他是騙人的嗎 |
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所以真的拜託審計長因為你有審計政府財政的一個責任嘛對不對這件事情真的好好去看到底發生什麼事情如果政府是這種態度來花公帑的話那真的人民的難怪訴發部被稱為所謂辦公室發展部啊 |
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他不只是出擊要花很多然後裝潢要花很多你搞到行政院為了他拿他做藉口拆掉1.8億的南門市場中繼站現在東門市場遙遙無期啦東門市場就在中正區跟大安區交界數就是我的選區啦我代表他們出來開記者會的到現在沒給個交代啊對得起這些東門市場現在正在等待搬遷的這些我們攤商嗎你覺得對得起嗎 |
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如果當時不要拆掉現在東門市場的攤商就已經進到裡面去東門市場就可以改建了你知道嗎現在遙遙無期啊不知道什麼時候蓋出東門市場中繼站什麼時候搬什麼時候蓋完什麼時候再搬回去 |
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你浪費公帑整個耽擱了我們今天動門市場的整個改建的程序、過程還浪費了1.8億的公帑這事情離譜跟可惡就在這個地方所以在這邊我真的還是再次的拜託主計長跟審計長真的回去督導一下這個速發部、辦公室發展部 |
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好 謝謝 |
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好謝謝我們委員接著我們請鄭正前委員鄭正前鄭正前鄭正前不在林柱英委員林柱英林柱英林柱英不在徐欣盈委員徐欣盈徐欣盈徐欣盈不在蘇清泉委員蘇清泉蘇清泉蘇清泉不在鍾嘉斌委員鍾嘉斌鍾嘉斌鍾嘉斌不在 |
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15351.587 |
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15358.669 |
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今日登記發言委員具詢答完畢現在除了臨時提案共一案請議事人員宣讀臨時提案一案全國軍公教人員薪資分別於107年調升3%及111年與113年調升4%為免軍公教人員辛勞及貢獻引導民間企業共同加薪固執肯定 |
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15378.813 |
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15404.555 |
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為調薪後對地方政府之財政支出中央補助支對象及標準比例卻有不同然而薪資調升當年對地方政府財政衝擊尤其劇烈且作為地方政府主要稅收來源之房屋稅、地價稅因近年房地產景氣趨緩而衰退再者地方政府負擔國中小教育人員及錦銷人事費人事費用亦屬沉重 |
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15429.176 |
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遠考兩季年中央稅收均大幅超收情形．主計總處因於一個月內將地方公交人員調薪後．中央補助機制制度化．並針對調薪當年給予地方政府權額補助．以緩解調薪對地方政府財政之衝擊．提案人李燕秀、賴士寶、王宏威 |
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15457.597 |
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林德福、顏寬衡、羅明才、陳玉珍以上宣讀完畢我們先請問這個行政機關有沒有什麼意見來請說我剛才跟那個提案委員提到說做文字修正就是主計總書應於一個月內就地方公教人員條件後中央補助制度化提出書面報告 |
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以緩解條新對地方政府財政之衝擊也就是那個倒數第三那個將改為舊那個制度化後面是提出書面報告並針對條新當然給以地方政治全流補助那幾個字劃掉有跟提案委員溝通嗎他有同意嗎這個是把原來的這就把原來的要求你們條新改成提書面報告對 |
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對,而且全額補助委員主計長,你這個完全腰斬他的意思啦完全人家是要你全額補助,因為你現在講的公法、贊賭、法戰、奧化、挑釁、4%、3%、4%都從民主中央政府會的,結果地方政府要買單,我請教啊 |
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15514.85 |
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15529.144 |
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來 主計長 你們挑釁地方政府要負擔多少啦地方政府要負擔多少 跟我講朱 朱 朱 朱熹可不可以問一下那個對 他在問好像有跟當事人沒有問當事人也有跟我講所以我們就決定了 |
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15534.008 |
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15561.305 |
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我現在就問你說地方政府有沒有你告訴我地方政府是要出多少錢啊比如說我加10塊錢中央出幾塊地方出幾塊你告訴我啊這個檔案這麼困難嗎提供一下數據中央請客地方買單中央提供多少如果是有差短的有財政收支差短的我們會全額補那如果是他沒有差短的 |
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就按照財政化財政收支的那個就是按照那個分級嗎按照分級的那個跟那個分級無關是財務狀況他的意思是比較窮的比較有錢的像金門就有錢就你們負擔多一點負擔多少你要講一下負擔多少我把它弄清楚百分之多少地方政府全部的話也要180億 |
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我們說的是你們要負擔多少錢?那個我們是負擔125億所以中央政府總共全部負擔125億180億裡頭你們買單125億是這樣子嗎?另外55億由地方政府負擔按照各個縣市政府的財政能力比較有錢的就負擔財政收支那個跟財政能力有關 |
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按照基本財政收支的那個差短的情況去補助差短是指說比如說基本憲政有比較有錢就負擔多一點對,就是說你不要一次講那個金門啦那個我們是說他有財政收支他有差短的我們就會補助 |
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15634.189 |
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15662.684 |
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有欠錢的是有負債的對啦那個跟負債有什麼關係那你再講白話一點那比如說金門縣跟台南市都是第3級嘛那會一樣嗎沒有關係我的意思說他基本財政收入基本財政收入有差的財政狀況補充好像主席補充啦像金門縣政府的財政很好他就出了少啦就這樣講啦用什麼標準有沒有舉債啊還是基本上都沒有出啦也不是分級用什麼標準 |
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15680.221 |
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主計長那個差短你給他解釋清楚一下啦你解釋清楚我們都聽不懂你解釋清楚差短啦是什麼意思比如說金門縣跟台南市都第3級不是差短啦是差短啦金門今年沒有差短可是我們本來他要自己負擔我們還是額外的補一半 |
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所以基本補一半啊比如說臺南市呢也是第三級啊今年有沒有舉例臺南市你補多少嗎?你臺南市補多少嗎?臺南市他在這裡補多少?臺北市補多少?也是一半那你總共補了超過一半欸180補125所以有的縣市他們自己負擔多一點就是有些縣市沒有他如果有差短的就全國補助 |
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哪些縣市全額補助?舉例哪些縣市全額補助?大部分都一半那哪些縣市全額補助?主席你會後這個已經什麼事實就給大家一份就好了啊不然你說有縣市唸一遍因為他說那個標準我們好像都聽不大懂你有理解嗎?他那個標準大概是因為不是說我們也不是按照分級嘛是按照差短就如果有欠錢的有短處的縣政府 |
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基本財政因為那個財政收支方法裡面一個統籌分別稅方法裡面有一個基本財政收支差短那個有差短的就是說他基本的財政財比油鹽降速差最基本的不夠我們那個主計長我請教你這個都推敵我這種講話我想這個不分黨派的因為李燕秀委員他的他的主要的訴求重點是 |
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條型應該給地方政府全額補助因為中央我到現在才發現有這樣的一個事實以前都沒有注意到就變成說花整包結構大部分這個地方政府出很多錢啊地方政府出三分之一啊三分之以上啊三分之一左右啊對不對所以不是要講credit不是全部你們的地方政府也有啊是不是那他的意思就是說能不能夠這一部分中央決定 |
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全國的軍公教都要挑釁就中央請問我買單他是問你這一點這個是不可能因為那個是地方自治他是地方的公務員員本來就是應該由地方政府來負擔只是說一差短我們才給他那我請問你能不能夠說你說加4%臺灣市政府能不能說我加6%欸那個是主計人員那個是人事的那個規定主計長你剛說那個是地方自治 |
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15828.605 |
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主計長你不要這樣說我要講4%你們其他政府都不能加能不能減也不能減有4%結果錢都大家要賭存 |
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這你們以前不通啊!邏輯不通啊!沒有,我們是根據那個補是根據財政收支就是說調薪的標準是大家全國公務人員同等級的都是怎麼去調那有一定的規定那至於補助是另外的補助辦法那補助辦法我就是一個原則有財政收支差短的我們會補助 |
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我的意思就是這個credit這個話現在是中央政府理論上就是中央政府全部買單怎麼扯到地方政府我就看不懂我就聽不懂那個是那個人事制度說這個要調薪是全國一致的 |
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15898.24 |
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阿如果地方要自己負責地方可以說你調4趴我調5趴我沒錢調3趴也可以我們人事是一條邊啦但是他的意思就是說反正要吃什麼我中央政府點什麼菜我中央政府決定但是要複習要說你們一起來分這樣有道理嗎出去吃飯不是這樣子的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[592].text |
主計總處應於一個月內將改為原意,後面都不改? |
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| transcript.whisperx[593].text |
將地方公教人員調薪後中央補助基礎制度化﹖ |
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| transcript.whisperx[594].text |
主計總司應於一個月內延役地方公教那個將改為延役來 主計長 主計長我來主席 報告主席我改一下啦好不好 我替你改啦齁 反正好朋友沒有幾天了齁 來 什麼來 一個月內 |
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15983.396 |
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主計總處針對後面這裏完全一樣然後呢針對條新當年給予地方政府權益補助提出評估報告這樣比較完整啦提出評估一樣的意思啦其實都是叫你們提報告啦一樣的意思啦 |
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反正你就是他的意思說只要報告什麼怎麼寫都可以只要提出報告也是弄這樣啦就全額補助他要的中心是全額補助你要整個這個嘛你不能把它戳掉提出報告對他的意思就是說只要寫報告寫多少都沒有關係反正錢不是要從他口袋出對啦對啦主席我插播一下那審計長欠我一個報告那個早上我問你那個要兩個月喔兩個月喔你不要拖到六月底啦吼那太久啦 |
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兩個月就可以了,你平常就多多少少在看兩個月後就快要超過520好不好兩個月啦你至少要520之前給我嘛這樣可以了吧他跟520沒有關係 |
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五二零之前給我五二零還是可能繼續啊五二零之後不見了我怎麼辦五二零之前給我主計長是說五二零之後提報告你同意啊現期還在啦但是你還是五二零之前給我啦你這個應該在五二零之前提出來吧要等到五二零之後 |
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好啦,我們來把他修正的念一下吧,修正這一段,他在修改當中。主計長這應該在520之前提出來吧,還是之後?沒有我說主計長,你們這個就兩個月嘛。反正你就是要寫報告啦,不要給錢。 |
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好,修改以後再念一下齁,我們請議事委員念一下齁。你要來看一下嗎?這個沒關係啊,來。你看一下,這個不是賣生氣啊,不用擔心。我們沒有人敢騙你,來。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[601].text |
宣讀協商結論倒數第四行 |
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後段主計總處因於一個月內就地方公家人員條薪後中央補助機制制度化並針對條薪當年給予地方政府全額補助提出書面評估報告以緩解條薪對地方政府財政之衝擊訓練費 |
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好沒有異議齁好各位沒異議我們就照協商的結論通過今天會議做如下決定報告及詢問完畢委員質詢及未及答覆或請補充資訊請行政院主計總處、審計部於一周內以書面答覆委員您要求期限者從期鎖定 |
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本日會議成績已經進行完畢如有 有嗎 有人用 有沒有輸入那個 沒有輸入執行的喔 那就沒有喔好 如果不在場委員提出輸入執行業務紀錄 刊登公報 請議事您協助處理 好 上會了 休息 兩天一次嘛喔 休息喔 休息 |