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| 委員名稱 |
邱鎮軍 |
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11:33:43 - 11:43:23 |
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| 會議時間 |
2024-11-20T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第9次全體委員會議（事由：邀請勞動部部長、銓敘部、國防部、內政部警政署、內政部消防署、行政院人事行政總處、考試院、公務人員保障暨培訓委員會、教育部及國家科學及技術委員會就「職場霸凌防治與處理作業」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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好主席好啊我們先請我們蔡孟良署長 |
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市長好我想謝宜龍從部長專委跳到分署組長直接高升分署長是在您跟許明春前部長的推薦下搭直升機上去的嗎是在我任內也是嘛所以也是你推薦的嘛是所以但同時也讓我們北區分署的同仁你知道這件他升上去之後就讓我們北區分署的同仁掉到地獄去了 |
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身為我們謝宜龍的直屬長官阿你認為你歷屆分署長這樣的霸凌行為是不是要以考機法第12條規定來計兩大過來懲處報告委員這個案子因為調查結果我們這個本部會有一個考機委員的程序在你把他推上去之前你知道他是一個潛在的一個暴君嗎你知道嗎 |
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在2023年他2月上任到現在北分署滿編才102人他離退率竟然高達8成其中有17位是主管職主任編制有11個離職離職的9位那科長編制6個離職的5位再加上兩位股長、一位廠長你認為他還有資格留在公務體系嗎? |
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報告委員,這個案子因為調查結果也確實他有他的一些霸凌的行為,這個案子已經會...對啊,他高調的跟大家說,他背後很硬,他後台很硬那現在看起來真的是還是蠻硬的你認為他現在調職之後,他不會去霸凌其他的同事嗎?還是你不敢講你也被霸凌過?報告委員,這個案子因為我們部長他大概已經也決定做調令非處關職我們銓敘部有的代表人來嗎? |
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考機法是你的管轄範圍我不是問個案像這樣引發社會的高度關注、行為不檢嚴重影響政府機關生育的情況是不是符合考機法第12條規定? |
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我會在最快的時間召開好我現在除了這樣子送考機會那我想問部長涉及刑事的部分如恐假如譬如說例如恐嚇毀謗攻壤侮辱甚至是傷害這個部分有送檢調嗎 |
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會,我會送檢調,也會送公務人員懲戒委員會好,那我再問,你們去查過的申訴系統,沒發現所謂二月的申訴案件嗎?沒有有沒有發現?對你剛剛不是承認我們的王次長有過去?他有去查過嗎?對不對?我聽說 |
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我現在嚴重懷疑那個王部長他現在不是請辭了嗎他請辭了是那有人說啦他因為這件事約談過後他就請辭了我覺得他是不是跟這個無關跟這個無關因為他是如果他真的有約談那是2月他請辭是9月了對啊他是不是受到壓力了請辭是我任內的事他是不是受到壓力之後就沒辦法處理覺得心非常累 |
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我這樣講啦,我們看到妳的報告齁,妳們的處理報告 |
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北分署長對整體同仁有職場霸凌且情節重大這是你們講的但卻又說北分署長沒有對親生員工直接霸凌這樣這句話什麼意思 |
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對,主要是北分署長跟離開的員工之間還隔著兩個主管一個副分署長、一個秘書室主任這兩個才是直接督導他這個計畫的北分署長沒有直接接觸他所以他沒有直接對他形成霸凌所以你們就是告訴大家我霸凌了全部的人但是他受不了 |
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你的報告就是這樣嗎?我想是這樣,就是說他的,可是他透過一層一層這樣傳導,應該這個離開的團體也有感受到被霸凌啦。 |
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應該是這樣子啦可是我真的是無法證實說所以我覺得你們的報告讓我們的臺灣的這些勞工完全對勞動部完全沒有信心也真的非常的失望那因為你們報告裡面有講說這位同仁很認真有壓力自己扛對不對有困難不會求援好像講的又很漂亮的話來責怪這一個親身的這位同仁 |
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這讓人家非常不能接受你懂我意思嗎公務人員的僱主就是政府你們的調查報告就是宣布勞動部不會保護勞工是這樣嗎這不是很諷刺嗎 |
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委員我的報告其實就是為了能夠還給這位離開的同仁一個公道啦。就是說,我們要還原就是說他真正的離開的原因。那我再問,現在發現這個事情,我們的分署長不用出來道歉嗎?我到現在還沒看到他。一定要,一定要。所以他什麼時候出來道歉? |
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我們會要求他在最快的時間出來道歉好嗎?我希望他應該要出來面對才對,你們不能把他藏在後面,不能說因為你的壓力很大別人壓力就不大嗎?對不對?所以我這個部分我請部長這邊你要趕快處理好不好?不要這個事情越怨惡越大。然後我再問就是說 |
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我們北區分屬同仁就算沒有求救那內部控管還是可以發現問題因為這非常不正常你將近八成的人調離原單位這個問題你們沒有發現嗎我覺得這事情是可以挽救的可以不讓它發生的可是今天偏偏發生了我們才發現這個問題 |
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這就是我們的疏忽我昨天在記者會也是為什麼會致歉也是這個原因我們人事單位我想請人事行政總處我們這邊有來嘛像人事單位我們是不是應該追蹤類似這樣的一個我們離職的流動控管有沒有錯之前有沒有錯 |
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這個我們在相關的工時管理或者是員工消費方案我們是會提醒就是說因為這個人員的工時或者是人員簽調來講因為這個是內部管理所以這個部分確實就是說在日常的人員管理上面是對啦我是問你有沒有追蹤不要講那麼多有沒有以前沒做嘛對不對 |
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我們是有在相關宣導作業裡面是有提醒以後會不會如果碰到這種問題會不會主動介入去了解我們會來或者是提醒提醒我們各單位對吧這個非常不正常整個北分署的人都換掉了好不好我們請人事行政總署這邊注意一下那另外 |
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我們北區分署絕大部分都是適用於勞工勞基法的員勞工而調查報告證明北分署勞同仁勞動條件不佳又有職場霸凌工時過長同仁還陳情加班不給加班費先打卡上下班下班再加班還要24小時待命回復長官的LINE本席在這邊要求我們請職安署馬上啟動對 |
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這個北分署的勞動檢查及職場霸凌調查可以嗎請問職安署同不同意我們會協同 |
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我們勞動部是保護勞工不受職場霸凌的第一線公務部 |
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謝謝部長 |
| IVOD_ID |
157155 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157155 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-26-9 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-20T11:33:43+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-20T11:43:23+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |