| IVOD_ID |
15712 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/15712 |
| 日期 |
2024-03-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-15-5 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期內政委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
5 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期內政委員會第5次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-03-11T08:31:06+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-03-11T12:32:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
04:00:54 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/eeffa975d6a1e3eaa7f870fb2fb2a5c3ea093030673645f93be8d109af184be4de3390e7d6a8e2e15ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-03-11T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第5次全體委員會議（事由：邀請中央選舉委員會主任委員列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:31:06 - 12:32:00 |
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報告委員會出席委員11人以足法定人數好那我們現在正式開始開會繼續報告事項請先讀上次會議意思錄 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第4次全體委員會議議事錄時間113年3月7日星期四上午9時6分至11時58分地點紅樓202會議室出席委員蘇巧慧委員等14人列席委員張其凱委員等24人列席官員大陸委員會主任委員邱泰山暨相關人員財團法人海峽交流基金會董事長李大維暨相關人員主席高金召集委員素梅 |
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報告事項應宣讀上次會議議事錄決定確定而邀請大陸委員會主任委員及財團法人海峽交流基金會董事長列席報告業務概況．備質詢大陸委員會主任委員邱泰山財團法人海峽交流基金會董事長李大維報告委員蔓益貞等14人質詢分別由大陸委員會主任委員邱泰山財團法人海峽交流基金會董事長李大維答覆說明 |
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決定一登記發言委員除不在場者外其餘均已發言完畢詢答結束二委員張志倫徐宇珍等二人所提書面質詢列入紀錄刊登公報三書面質詢及未及答覆部分請相關機關於一週內另以書面答覆並複製本會宣讀完畢請問各位委員上次的會議意思錄有無錯誤或遺漏好那我們就意思確定意思錄確定 |
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那我們繼續進行本路議程報告事項請宣讀邀請中央選舉委員會主任委員列席報告業務概況．並備質詢宣讀完畢現在我介紹我們在場的委員我們的王美惠委員我們的黃潔委員我們的黃建兵委員 |
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好謝謝來先讓我介紹我們列席的官員我們的主任委員李俊勇主任秘書謝美玲綜合規劃處處長張戴琪行務處處長李淑儀 |
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法政處處長蔡金浩律師室主任蔡允哲人事室主任楊智傑政風室主任張明耀現在我們的委員牛巡庭謝謝你謝謝 |
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好接下來我們進行業務報告請中選會我們的李進勇主委報告 |
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本會委員6分鐘必要延長2分鐘非本會委員6分鐘請主委做報告 |
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主席、各位委員、各位委員女士先生貴委員會今天舉行全體委員會議本人應邀列席報告業務概況．並備質詢深感榮幸以下請就本會近期辦理的各項工作分別報告如後第一項報告的是辦理第16任總統副總統選舉以及第11屆立法委員的選舉 |
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選舉在113年1月13日合併舉行投票完畢,全國一共設置17,795個投開票所,動員開票所工作人員達到241,741人,並且在當天晚上10點4分完成整個開票統計工作。 |
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投票結果是賴清德先生、蕭美琴女士當選為第16任總統副總統同時選出11屆的立法委員一共113人順利完成本次選舉 |
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第二項第16任總統副總統以及第11屆立法委員選舉候選人消極資格的審查總統副總統部分共有3組6人均符合規定並經112年12月5日本會第596次的委員會議審議通過在立法委員的部分除了臺灣維新申請登記名單次序第三號之全國不分區候選人張信松區立法委員臺北市第二選舉區南先生 |
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臺灣市第5選舉區王先生高雄市第選舉區朱磊新竹縣第2選舉區黃先生屏東縣第1選舉區鄭先生金門縣選舉區歐陽先生以及屏地原住民選舉區洪朝 |
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委員會議審定通過 |
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為落實監察職務的工作．以發揮選舉監察功能本會定定了第16任總統副總統及第11屆立法院選舉監察職務分區研習實施的計畫．據辦理監察人員的實務研習本次的研習在全國分區舉辦．一共有5個場次．研習的內容有選務 |
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選監業務的報告．專題演講以及綜合座談等課程．既有辦理監察工作的人員．一共是525人參加．第4點 辦理選務的宣導．為了鼓勵國民踴躍參與選務的工作．以及行使投票權．並提醒投票使應注意的事項．本會依預算法第62條第一項．及其執行原則辦理政策及業務的宣導． |
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其方式包括多元以及數位媒體的宣導結合地方媒體落實在地的宣導並加強對新住民原住民以及身心障礙者選務的宣導讓選務的資訊能夠更深入到各個族群 |
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在其次是辦理電視政見發表會有關於第16任總統副總統選舉候選人電視政見發表會本會是從112年12月20日起到28日辦理三場的總統以及一場的副總統候選人電視政見發表會 |
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第11屆立法委員選舉政見發表會則是在113年1月5日辦理原住民立法委員選舉候選人電視政見發表會113年1月8日辦理全國不分區以及僑區國外國民立法委員選舉以及政黨電視政見發表會至於區域立法委員的選舉候選人政見發表會則是由各直轄市縣市選舉委員會 |
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從113年1月3日到同年的12日之間辦理一共有76場的政見發表會以及5場的辯論會再其次是辦理政黨錄影帶的宣傳本會辦理第11屆全國不分區以及僑居國外國民立法委員選舉政黨使用電視從事競選宣傳即有16個政黨申請使用電視時段 |
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兼本會完成各政黨宣傳的錄影帶審查作業之後從113年的1月8日起到113年的1月12日晚上9時至10時分別在民視、公視、中視、華視以及台視等5家無線電視台來播送 |
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在其次報告的是辦理電腦計票作業電腦計票作業是由鄉鎮市區的選務作業中心人員將投開票報告表資料輸入計票系統迅速完成會計各項網路安全以及系統備餘員的措施都是以最高規格的防護本會在112年12月辦理55場的教育訓練以及112年12月 |
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113年1月辦理三次的電腦計票全國模擬演練．並模擬異常狀況進行演練．以致即時應變電腦計票作業在113年的1月13日晚間10點04分順利完成在其次報告的是選務錯假信息的澄清舉報以及移送的程序 |
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本會在全球資訊網爭議訊息澄清專區．行政院的即時新聞澄清專區．以及Line today的謠言破解專區．都發布新聞稿予以澄清說明本會成立錯假訊息的防治小組．並與相關的社群平台建立舉報的管道．討知需或接獲民眾檢舉選務的錯假訊息時．我們就會循著這個舉報的管道．通知相關的社群平台來做處理 |
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本會接獲民眾檢舉選務造謠案件之後相關檢舉案件含送檢警機關來辦理後續偵查的作業以防範 |
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選務錯假訊息持續擴大散佈,截至113年2月5日,依上開程序舉報,一共有358則,令選後仍有選務的錯假訊息流傳,毀損選務人員的名譽,影響本會機關的形象,本會仍會持續依照既定程序來做辦理。 |
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臺中市議會第4屆議員及第15選舉區,宜蘭縣議會第20屆議員第4選舉區的缺額補選臺中市議會第4屆議員第15選舉區,也就是平地原住民的部分所選出的議員黃人 |
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宜蘭縣議會第20屆議員選舉第4選舉區選出的議員陳俊宇在111年的12月25日就職任期4年依照第11屆立法委員選舉的結果黃仁議員當選平地原住民的立法委員陳俊宇議員當選宜蘭縣選區的 |
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立法委員查台中市議會第10屆第15選舉區平地原住民及宜蘭縣議會第20屆議員第4選舉區應選名額分別是1名跟2名上開當選人已經在113年2月1日宣誓就職第11屆立法委員並於同日辭去議員的職務 |
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所以議員名額出缺：各該選舉區及缺額達二分之一以上所宜的任期超過兩年依照地方制度法第81條第一項規定應該要辦理補選本會在599次的委員會議決在113年4月13日舉行補選投票 |
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10.督導辦理地方公職人員補選作業,自本年1月至目前為止,一共督導各直轄市縣市選舉委員會辦理本屆地方公職人員補選,已經辦理13項,預定辦理計29項,辦理情形相如附表1、2,請各位委員參約 |
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辦理全國不分區及僑居國外國民立法委員的遞補作業依公職人員選舉辦明法第73條第1項第3款的規定全國不分區及僑居國外國民選出的立法委員在就職後因為辭職出缺時其所疑的缺額出於書面聲明放棄遞補者外由該政黨登記的候選人名單按順序依序來遞補 |
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本屆全國不分區及僑居國民僑居國外國民立法委員民主進步黨籍由委員習坤辭去立法委員職務其所疑的缺額以按順序依序由該政黨候選人王委員正序來遞補第12項頒禮直轄市縣市議員的遞補的作業那截至目前為止已經遞補本屆的縣議員有8人遞補的情形也請各位參議員複表3 |
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在7次報告的是受理全國性公民投票辦理的情形112年度下半年本會受理提案人領銜人所提出的全國性公民投票既有疑案辦理的情形如下本會是在112年12月8日受理季節先生領銜提出的你是否同意廢止2022年12月29日國防部所宣布的將民國94年次 |
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以後出生的藝男藝物役役期延長為一年之公告全國性公民投票經113年1月19日本會第598次的委員會議決議舉行聽證會並決定在本月15日上午10時舉行聽證 |
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其實辦理全國性公民投票電子聯署系統的辦理情形本會是在108年5月14日至112年5月17日以行政院資通安全處數位發展部資通安全署一共先後有7度稽查本會的資安項目以及稽查的結果辦理公投電子聯署系統資安的強化的措施數位發展部的資通安全署在112年的7月 |
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含附公投電子連署系統負責都已經修復通過另外行政院112年7月10日到本會進行自動安全的稽查稽查團隊一共列了22項待改善的事項為確保系統資安無虞以及系統的韌性所以本會也規劃辦理前開系統上線前作業經提112年8月本會的委員會議審議通過在112年1月17日完成行政院 |
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第112年7月之中安全及核待改善事項．提113年2月本會委員會議審議通過系統上限日期定為113年4月10日嚴禮全國性公民投票不在籍投票法的草案為保障投票人的投票權益 |
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規範全國縣公民投票不在籍投票的實施本會研擬的《全國縣公民投票不在籍投票法》草案也經報由行政院在110年9月30日合轉大院審議經大院內政委員會在110年10月20日、11月17日兩度召開審查會議並同其他委員提案審查完畢立法院黨團在114年4月1日協商因應大院第10屆 |
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藉其不續審﹚為使前開草案在大院第11屆第1會期能夠盡早完成審議﹚所以本會已經在113年2月5日以原送請大院審議的版本重新報請行政院來審查﹚並且經行政院在113年2月22日合轉到大院審議 |
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另外是辦理選務人員的這個講習那這一部分請各位委員參與書面的資料其次是辦理執行政黨連坐的裁罰本會最101年4月3日期到113年3月5日子一共裁罰208件裁罰的金額達到1億7416萬5千元 |
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辦理選舉徵送的案件選舉徵送的案件簡述如下最高行政法院有五件臺北高等行政法院有七件臺中高等行政法院有一件臺灣高等法院高雄分院有一件那在公投爭議案件的部分目前上係數在最高行政法院的有一件 |
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在其次辦理參與國際選舉組織的活動本會許委員亞芬在112年12月6日到12月7日代表本會參加2023年亞洲自由選舉網絡第6屆亞洲選舉利害關係人論壇並以中央選舉委員會打擊選舉假訊息的做法為題進行報告分享本會處理選務假訊息的策略及經驗 |
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在其次是積極參加世界選舉機關協會 以及亞洲選舉官署協會 的活動。112年7月11日A-Web第11次的執行委員會議在哥倫比亞的加泰基納 舉行。本會是由王委員韻如代表參加。本會林委員抄旗在112年8月23日至8月25日 |
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代表本會參加AWeb的秘書是在跟國際共和研究所合作在泰國曼谷舉行的第8屆亞洲的民主與選舉國際會議並於會中就臺灣如何在選舉過程中促進青年參與為題來進行報告。113年1月本人代表中央選舉委員會參加在印度新德里所舉行的AEA的執行委員會議邀請各國來臺參加113年 |
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由我國所主辦的AAEA的會員大會。113年3月20日AWEB第12屆執行委員會議在韓國仁川舉行本會將由陳副主委朝鮮代表參加。最後報告結語為了貫徹憲法保障民主法治以及人民參政的本質 |
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設立本會統籌辦理公職人員選舉罷免以及公民投票的事務因此如何營造公平公正公開的選舉環境克服各種不利的人民行使參政權的障礙為本會陸力追求的目標今年本會辦理第16任總統副總統以及第11屆立法委員選舉民調的結果有84%的受訪選民對本會辦理此次選舉相當的工作 |
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委本會仍將努力精進推動選務的革新．完善各項選務作業的流程．必讓社會各界．能夠對選務機關更具有信任感．使臺灣民主政治更加的深化穩固以上的報告 敬請各位委員指教謝謝好 謝謝我們中選會我們的主委現在我補充報告我們出席人數現在我們還有 |
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徐毅臻徐毅臻委員還有我們的張宏祿委員我們歷史提案結束提出的時間是10點本會委員執行完畢以後處理請各位委員有沒有意見沒有好沒有好那我們沒有意見我們就繼續 |
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那我們現在接下去我們的我們的主席的委員我們請我們的登記1號我們的張宏祿委員請上請上歡迎台好謝謝麻煩請主委好請主委 |
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委員早主委我看到有報導有說我們這個全國性公投電子連署系統預計4月10號要上線測試這是有確定嗎是的這經過本會的599次的委員會議已經決議那4月10號要正式的上線 |
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是正式上線還是測試正式上線但是在上線的初期我們會根據數位部給我們建議還是提供給民眾他們來做測試那時間可能就是到4月下旬之前4月下旬之前還不會有公投成案開始要連署的情況之下我們會提供給民眾來做測試 |
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對啦所以要說清楚啦你4月10號上線之後你還是有一段時間是要測試啊那是公民中其實在之前我們內部的測試都已經完成了我知道你是內部的測試完成但你4月10號上線之後還是有一段時間是公民中測試的嘛不是正式我就可以連署了嘛也沒有案子當然是沒有嘛所以還是測試的性質嘛我覺得這點要講清楚喔 |
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要讓民眾知道喔不然你4月10號上線了那我到時候說不行什麼的我覺得這個要講清楚啦上線跟測試你很多的人家飯店也要試營運啊你這個我覺得訊息要清楚啦好不好其實我們原來的用詞是試營運是為了避免誤會所以我們就是說還是讓公民一般的民眾他們有這個測試的機會 |
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對的我覺得4月10號上線是一件好事但是要跟大家講你的測試的期間要供大家測試是有多久的時間我覺得排一次講清楚啊我覺得這樣子才不會讓民眾誤解啊對的你可以去網路上看啊有的人其實搞不清楚欸以為4月10號就可以用了欸 |
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不過這個測試我們有特別注意到就是不能夠跟已成案的這個公投案我知啦我說的是你們這個都很好但是講的不清楚啦我們會有正式的記者會會對外再公佈 |
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會正式記者會在對外公佈在上線之前我覺得要講清楚因為你們這個會讓人家誤解現在之前資安處有講25項缺失都解決了都已經改善完成都完全沒有問題都改善完成資安的風險也已經修復都已經修復了 |
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那你們齁這個到時候我覺得你記者會要說清楚啦會謝謝委員這是一個另外一個齁我一直在跟你們說啊齁這個啊無障礙投票啊齁這個啊每次投票都會出現問題啦這次還是有啊對不對我不知道主委你知不知道啦齁還是有啊 |
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我們的無障礙的檢核合格率大概都達到93%以上93、94以上 |
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那有部分這個檢核雖然有這個缺失的部分但是都用輔助設施的方式來予以補足這個原則上都沒有問題可能有一兩個單獨的極少數的個案那就必須要用人力用人工的方式來做協助比如說我不知道有沒有比如剛剛委員所提的說你那個輪椅還必須要用抬的也許極少數的案例是會有的 |
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我跟主委說齁在選前我就一直提醒你們這一個我現在跟你講得很清楚啊在板橋浦泉國小101教室啊第1385投票開鎖欸他設置在階梯上面啊那你說坐輪椅的怎麼上去他雖然在一樓啊 |
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爬階梯上去啊這個階梯都必須要有那個這個斜坡的所以就是有就要選務人員去抬啊是是這個我們會加這個都有要求都有規範齁 |
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我知道這個處委都有要求都有規範但這個選務是地方政府第一線是他們在辦的嘛他們也是報上來跟你們講嘛那他們報上來你們也是看資料而已啊對不對我們沒有那麼多的人力我們也沒有辦法說一個一個去看但我選前我就一直強調 |
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主委 |
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你說的都是道理大家都知道沒有落實執行我講句比較不好聽一點的我如果地方政府我故意不要讓投票率高我就故意找這些對不對你沒有落實這個我們一再強調我覺得這一個下次的選舉不管什麼選舉我覺得這一點我們要能夠做到百分之百的避免對不對 |
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阿不然你照這樣你也是沒有講成阿你到最後你還不是每個人都一樣技功嘉獎 |
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對不對地方選委會他也自己就技功嘉獎啊不是嗎這個都有考評啊沒有沒有考評你也不是第一線啊對不對對不對所以我變成考評不公啊對不對這個我覺得要加強好不好好我們會再注意另外啦我們都一直在講選務人員的訓練啊什麼的你們都說有做得很好嘛對不對齁 |
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像這次的總統立委選舉就有投靠一票所連票不知道是故意的還是疏失我個人認為所有的選務人員不會去故意現在大家數值都很高而且幾乎都公務人員在做了不會有這種事情但是我覺得受訓就是這個沒有落實 |
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這個票是給人家報錯欸假報成疑欸來回差了兩百多票欸那如果不是當場有人制止有人發現有人制止欸 就這樣蓋上去了欸這個是百分之百發生的欸 |
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對不對所以我覺得這些你們我之前一直跟你講這些訓練都要很精實結果勒還是一樣我覺得這個真的你們在下一次的選舉真的這個選務人員的訓練要再加強 |
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的確是有些個案的確因為是選務工作人員的疏失而造成了一些瑕疵那我們加強訓練這應該是要做的但是最重要的就是說像這樣的情形在現場都有複合的機制一關兩關三關你說這個報票這個投開票所的這個報告票都經過三道的複合的程序所以當場就會被發現 |
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不會去影響到選舉的結果但是我說的這個案子是你們的三道符的程序都已經完成了是人家在那邊看開票所的人說你這個亂寫記錯你還要應該印送上去是當場人家提出抗議他才改的這個個案我們會再進行了解這個是百分之百的這個有很多人證就在新北 |
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謝謝委員 |
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謝謝上官陸委員我們主委主委針對我們電子連署這個系統你剛才講4月10號真的很多民眾都不曉得也不清楚你這個電子連署你要開記者會你還是要很明確的表達你是測試然後要讓民眾來熟悉這是很重要 |
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上線之後那會開放給民眾在4月底以前進行測試也許有一些意見他會回饋我們因為你開記者會的話是很清楚的去去去去描述啊好謝謝你的提醒謝謝好那我們第二位啊我們的牛心亭啊我們委員啊謝謝好謝謝主席啊這個中委會主委有請謝謝好主委 |
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委員好主委早安本席先請問一下您覺得公投的重要性比起我們一般的選舉孰輕孰重 |
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委員會主任委員會主席 |
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是因為最近大家開始熱議這個不在籍投票的這個法案的修訂啦那當然嘛就是這個我們的選舉的辦法總是要與時俱進這個基於變民啦這個最大的考量應該是目的是要降低社會成本讓選務的推動能夠更順利我想這個大的方向這個應該是不分朝野應該有共識的地方對不對但是本期看到這個行政院現在推動的不在籍投票的修法只限於公投啊 |
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我覺得這個是有一點奇怪的剛剛主委也講了嘛既然公投的重要性跟選舉的重要性應該是一樣大的那為什麼我們不能一步到位呢這是不是請主委先做一下說明 |
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好的 並不是說僅限於公民投票 而是從公民投票開始我們徹底的根據實施的經驗再來做研議 再來做推廣那為什麼會有這樣子的考慮其實因為選舉的不在籍投票牽涉到的比較複雜的因素 |
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所以有關於總統副總統的選舉不再集投票的辦法其實在102年105年都有兩度的被提出來因為朝野意見分歧沒有辦法達成基本的共識所以102年的是藉其不續審 |
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105年的是行政院就把這個案子撤回去了再重新進行檢討那現在的策略是怎麼樣我跟委員報告現在策略就是說因為選舉你不能夠因為選制的一個改變一下子衝擊到選務造成選務的混亂的話那影響到整個選舉的公平所以我們是採取比較審慎的態度從公民投票 |
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主委我想你回答得很清楚吧但這就跟我們開宗明義去談的這最大的價值基本上就是相悖嘛你剛剛講說選舉跟公投重要性一樣重要這是對於選民行使參政權的保障可是你在實務執行的時候你們顯然是把公投當成實驗嘛 |
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其實我們講大白話就是這樣你說我要先從這個東西做參酌然後從這個經驗來延伸其實他的意思就變成把共和黨實驗當然我理解主委沒關係我理解就是說選務操辦事情很複雜的事而且我也贊成主委剛剛講公信力很重要所以我不能理解但是我希望這次在討論的時候因為本黨有提出非常多不在籍投票的修法法案我希望既然民眾是有這樣子的需求 |
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希望基於辨明也希望基於平等的概念能夠一步到位我們今天因為質詢的時間畢竟有限到時候修法的時候我們可能還有專門的時間來做討論跟報告選務單位的意見我們很忠實的來提供給各位我現在今天做質詢的意思就是請主委先做準備好不好我們的議定主張 |
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選舉跟公投要並進那當然範圍上可進可退主管機關的困難之處大家要著於採訥採納社會的質疑之處大家要著於說明但是我們要先做準備好不好所以這是本期今天提的第一個問題適用的範圍跟實施的方式都需要中選會請你先提版本嘛就像你現在公投有不在籍一樣地方選務你也先做好準備嘛好歹我們在到時候討論法案的時候這個草案是由內政部來提啦沒關係但是我是覺得你要做你要做單位的說明我們都有討論 |
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委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會 |
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3825.3 |
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再來本期今天要做政策對話本期主張要選務成本高一點社會成本才會低一點剛剛我們討論不在即投票其實就是一個例子但我們還是要再補充說明幾個其他的例子比如說第一個我們談這個剛剛結束的這樣大選的若干的所謂的選務爭議我完全理解基層選務人員他其實是非常辛苦的 |
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中央選舉委員會主任委員會主任 |
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提升公信力的工作 絕對划算比如說票箱票櫃格式的全面統一比如說計票唱票的動作能不能規定的更細緻一點與此同時本席也強烈主張你再給予這些基層選務人員的津貼跟福利也要全面升級 |
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這些東西去做下去的時候也許我們下一次選舉即便它還是高張力但是你這邊選務的細節東西做得越好質疑的聲音就會越少基層也會更有把握這樣子你同不同意本席的說法我絕對同意好不好那這一點我就請中選會就趕快來做研擬了像這種事情我是覺得不斷的在精進在選務的部分對啦要讓民眾對我們能夠有信心這樣做喔那個過程如何能夠更加的透明這樣做選務單位會多花錢可是如果社會質疑能少一點社會成本是降低的 |
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這就是我剛剛講的那我也跟委員報告一下我們一次選舉20幾萬的選務工作人員大部分來自公教上一部分是民間熱心的人士所以是熱心人士所以我講我們在規則的設計上在動線或者是物件的佈置上面能夠提高公信就降低他們壓力也是他們的說法好不好第二個本期也提一下公投連署的事情你現在有電子連署系統剛剛張宏祿委員也有去做一些質疑 |
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可是提案的部分好像沒有辦法用也許提案的門檻比較低啊可是既然都是同一套的科技設備你為什麼不能一體試用呢 |
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提案的門檻比較低這是一個原因另外一個原因就是說因為這個公投的提案在提案正式成立要進行連署之前其實我們選務機關缺乏完整的一個審議的機制就是說你隨便進來都可以進來都可以那如果是這樣子的話恐怕會耗費很多的這個社會的成本 |
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你的主張當然是從中選會的本位去做思考啦但是我們作為民意代表我們的本位是人民的權益嘛既然我們會弄出一個公投一定是人民對於這個題目有強烈的意志啦所以當然審查上一樣這是我剛剛講的你可能選務的成本會增加可是社會成本會降低嘛我們希望說這個東西透明方便快速有效那當然不表示你不審核嘛對不對但是我覺得把電子提案也納入聯署機制應該不會太困難啦 |
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這一點我希望中委會來做思考再來我要再講的是那既然公投可以做電子連署我們這個相對來講沒有黨籍背書的政府總統候選人他的連署能不能也納入電子連署的機制好不好因為今天的時間今天的時間比較短這一部分你提供後面的一些資料但本席都希望科技的運用不要為得不足 |
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一步到位那是比較好的也許一樣你選務又要適應啦但是對於整個社會來說如果是有效率的我是認為應該要大膽的往前跨對整個國家來講選務的穩定是非常非常重要這個本席也同意因為這個不能夠讓他有任何的一個錯亂對但是你要把這些東西大家都思考我們是很審慎我們不是固步自封我們是很審慎這一點也請大家能夠最後一點點時間本席要跟你談一下這個一些選務的改革當然也許跟內政部有關因為選政選務好像 |
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有一點分工的這個問題但本期是強烈主張我們要逐步增加公費選舉的比例我們當然沒有不太容易用一部法律啊就讓所有的選舉都變成公費選舉但是我們可以增加公辦選舉的一些這個一些比例比如說我們現在在地方民意代表公辦政見發表會就一場 |
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然後也不強制辯論或什麼的能不能透過增加場次的方式慢慢讓社會大眾認定說這一場選舉公辦政見發表是重要的我們能不能開始設計公辦看板的格式讓大家去知道 |
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這個由公家來處理的統一格式的選舉它的比例是重要的它在選舉裡面的佔比跟話語權跟曝光度是提升的這樣可能沒有辦法一步到位但是它可以慢慢慢慢的走向公費選舉制的精神對於所有願意參選政治人物尤其是年輕世代來講我認為這是有正面意義的 |
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這些事情我們剛剛講的不管是公投電子連署的提案我們剛剛講選務的一些精進措施我們講的選舉制度的一些方向的一些改革都會增加你們中選會的工作內容可是這些工作內容的增加成本的增加都會降低社會的成本提高選舉的公信力所以希望主委會後針對本席提的這幾個政策的建議去擬具一些書面的回應好讓我們知道推動的方向可以嗎好的謝謝主委辛苦了 |
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主席 請李金鴻主委 |
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李主委您好有關剛剛您報告的有關這次2024的總統大選的一個選務的辦理狀況我想對於公民行使這個投票權就是我們一種民主的展現相信您也認同說我們民主最可貴的地方就是一人一票票票等值 |
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所以說我想對於政府來說我們是有意願去提高我們所有公民去投票的意願而且讓他們能夠更方便的去投票主委您認不認同是的OK那如果主委您認同讓我們每一個公民要行使投票權的時候都能夠有更方便更快速的一個方式那我想接下來就有幾點要跟主委討論一下首先我們來看一下 |
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我們總統選舉的全國投票率我們在2020年的時候是74.9%在2024年是71.86%所以我想請教一下主委這中間大概差了3%大概少了58萬人投票我想請教一下主委您認為這次的差距主要是什麼原因 |
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請問您覺得如果跟返鄉距離遠、交通成本高這兩點會不會有關係? |
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這個是一體的兩面就是說你某一個單獨的這個因素你把它處理那相對的會不會再去減弱其他部分的一個參與這個都必須要做深入的討論所以這也是造成返鄉距離委員跟江峰成本高也會是造成他投票意願的一個關係那我想再您再看一下我們花蓮跟台東還有雲林他們的投票率 |
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委員會主席 |
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離島投票率 |
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各位可以看到不然是澎湖金門連江離島的投票率其實又更遠低於全國的平均投票率所以我覺得在這個部分看起來我們是不是更該盡速的完成不在籍投票的立法所以在這邊也請教主委對於我們這次的選舉罷免的總統副總統的選罷法還有公職人員的選罷法的不在籍投票目前有進度嗎 |
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第一點我跟委員報告就是說這個投票率的高低恐怕沒有辦法很簡單的把它規則到一個某一個特定的單一的原因這個牽涉到很多複雜的這個因素交錯所形成的那這一點第一點說明那第二點說明就關於不在籍投票的部分 |
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一百零二年提出總統副總統只限於移轉投票一百零五年也提出為什麼沒有辦法完成立法程序呢?最主要是各方的意見分歧這是一個非常非常複雜的個別 |
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公民投票不在即投票法 |
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請教主委有沒有相關的時程 |
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這個就要看大院的審查的程序了是不是能夠在這個會期裡面完成如果大家共識這麼高要推動不再舉投票大家的共識是很高如何推動擁有不同的這個看法但是最基本的跨出這一步應該是非常非常重要 |
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因為我想主委也很清楚我剛剛看你們的報告也有很多我們的委員參加各種國際的選舉的組織的各項活動所以應該很清楚在很多的民主國家不管是美國英國德國法國甚至是我們附近的日韓其實他們行使不在籍投票的選舉都已經行之有年而且也都施行的非常好那為什麼中選會針對這個部分你們有去跟他們交流學習嗎 |
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有關於不在籍投票的各國實施的情形我們都有相關的資料的收集也跟我們參加的兩個會員國際組織的會員國之間大家有過討論當然各方的各國實施的這個經驗都可以作為我們的參考那在台灣我們非常重要的就是說我們不希望一個選制的改革改變那對於選務能夠 |
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主委參考民主國家的不在籍投票目前不在籍投票哪幾種方式 |
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其實我看剛剛提到這幾國大部分都有通訊投票跟提前投票這兩種 |
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公投不再起投票規劃移轉投票 |
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所以說你們要先做一個前期的實驗的性質那如果是這樣的話我想請教一下主委我們既然是一個前期實驗的一個性質我們是不是可以把更多不同的不在籍投票法也施行在裡面來看看這樣子的一個實驗的結果是不是可以作為將來總統跟我們其他的公責人選舉的一個參考比如說就我剛剛講的通訊投票還有提前投票這些 |
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是不是能夠提高我們公民行使投票權的意願呢?委員所提到的通訊投票我們馬上考慮到的一個還不只是說選務能不能夠可行的問題而是他有沒有這個選舉公平性選舉秘密這個投票秘密保障的一些風險存在你的通訊投票真的按摩摩 |
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通訊投票對公平性和私密性 |
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移轉投票在我國的選舉實務上是已經有經驗我們希望在這個經驗的基礎上我們有跨出去 |
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主席主席 |
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黃建斌委員主席主席主席 |
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委員好主委早安早主委我們在今天大概在討論很多關於比賽期投票我想很重要的一個點就是在我們未來不管是公投以外或是像是我們的公職人員選舉甚至下一屆的總統副總統我想大家在乎的點更是這個可以適用的 |
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那我想要請教一下主委喔主委你曾經在花蓮花東服務過嘛是的那主委你這一次投票的時候你是在哪裡投票我在台北投票啊主委你的戶籍原本是在我的老家在雲林縣啊給你戶籍有簽在台北嘛對不對啊假設如果你的戶籍沒有在台北的話你不覺得投票的距離會影響 |
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你投票意願嗎?會不會?投票的意願跟這個投票的時間啦距離啦這個不必然有關係啦不必然有關係嗎?對不對?不必然有關係不必然齁?不必然有關係剛剛不管是牛軒廷委員或是徐政委員都有提到就是減少成本這件事情齁最後來Bug我們用台東的鄉親來做比較齁台東的鄉親要回去台東投票的成本 |
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臺北到臺東的車票是一張花車票是七百七百八十三一趟七百八十三來回是大概將近一千六那臺東到臺北的距離的時間這個本期在上次委員會有提到大概四個小時的時間來回就要八小時以這樣子的投票的成本你覺得重不重 |
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時間投票時間成本我想選民對於選出一個好的他自己認同的公職人員他所在乎的應該不只是這個這個車票的票價的一個考量他更在乎的是能夠他認同的候選人能夠因為他的支持而當選 |
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主委本席提這些其實在強調這件事情民主必須要有城鄉差距的我們要加速不代替投票的辦法其實這個可以減少很多的時間因為其實台灣的特殊環境每一個縣市的情況都不同有可能因為救血救魚救養的問題他必須在他戶籍以外的地方來工作來生活可是牽扯到投票這件事情的時候會反而造成他的一個困擾 |
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委員會主席 |
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這個也是這次剛才徐政委員提到的這次投票率的問題我們這次總統大選有7個縣市都沒有超過70%其中也包括了臺東、花蓮那離島更不用說了離島縣市甚至有些沒有超過55%都沒有超過那金門縣大概37%差不多這樣的投票率更低顯現出不在一起投票的重要性我們一直強調票票要 |
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委員所顧慮的這些因素當然我們選務機關並不是沒有看到我們也看到了 |
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本期還是要強烈的要求 |
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委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任 |
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委員會主任委員會主任 |
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雖然在服役 服 服刑 可是他還有具有投票資格嗎?因為這樣子造成的 你在國際報告也寫到他們也要求要投票這件事情嗎?是不是可以減少這樣的情況發生?因為他同樣也具有投票權嗎?對不對?我們拿兩個職業來比較齁 那光有獸型人 |
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一個是沒有被褫奪公權的囚犯他可以公告他有投票權一個是因為要執法要守護治安的警察他因為執行中期他沒有辦法再復席投票那這兩個情況造成的衝突性不是也因為這個關係來剝奪他投票權嗎是不是主委 |
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他事實上行使投票權有一定的困難這個我們也了解但是基本上就是說你必須要選制能夠配合就是選罷法兩個選罷法所沒有規定的事項不在即投票的部分你要建立一個法制但是這個法制不能夠憑空蓋起來他必須要有打好基礎 |
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這個打好的基礎就是我們希望的就是從公民投票開始來實施能夠累積經驗然後徹底的來推廣謝主委說明齁主委我認為我們天安地區臺東的子弟還有在北漂各地的學子的權益齁我堅決的要推動不再去投票我想我們也相信我們這一次的質詢在網路上又被 |
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委員會主席 |
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那我也相信主委這10年來其實在這個行業在這個領域上的努力我也相信主委會協助我們偏鄉的這些鄉親還有離岸的鄉親那這邊我再次的強烈的要求不再急投票公投不再急投票要趕快來實行那以上是本席的質詢拜託委員能夠支持我們全國這個公投的不再急投票這個案子能夠早一點通過謝謝委員謝謝主委主席謝謝 |
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謝謝黃建斌委員的質詢下一位請完美會委員謝謝完美會這是我們家主委請我們中選委主委 |
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委員你好主委早 主委本席因為今天有很多人說到不在即投票 是在本席的領委 覺得說你們的競爭 你不敢說 我替你們說因為最主要就是 你們不在即投票那在台上的投票是誰最會吃什麼 |
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因為是一個國家沒民主沒自由的國家,你在那申請投票的時候,他甘會想到他跟他想要投什麼人可以投?主委,是不是你有這個歡樂來本市所講的這個問題? |
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民主選舉有很多條件,這條件對大陸來,其實不限定在特定的地區像2020年到2024年這兩次大選,國內外的報導 |
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國內的情治單位所提供的警訊：國內事務單位所處理的個案在在的證明什麼事情一個對民主選舉最大的威脅就是境外勢力的借選這是很清楚的事情所以當我們在考慮這個選制的改革的時候不能夠不把這種風險要考慮在裡面這就是全部機關所擔心的問題 |
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因為不能因為境外勢力的一個借權我們反而是提供給他一個管道所以我們要守得很好 要怎麼守得很好這樣主委你所說的就是海外通訊的投票啊不只是這樣 無所不在 |
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這很嚴重的我們搖搖無恥要用不在籍投票的時候這不像我們台灣面臨這種的挑戰你美國的選舉不想讓大家站起來有很多國家都實施下去覺得說這不公平不行我趕快再做一次是有很多國家也是這樣這個不在籍投票不是不能做但是特殊的一個最主要你要做給人民 |
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我相信大家要共同民對不在即投票像你剛才所說的,我們說實在的,你說不在即投票的時候 |
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總統都一樣 副總統都一樣 幾週就是幾週在選舉當中 不一樣的地方 有76個投票 不一樣的候選人這也是很嚴重的分析 不可以出卡車 |
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所以在這裏面本身要跟你說,你一直覺得說,在廟宇的時候,是多少剛才你所說的,可以有什麼好克服的地方嗎?來,主委來 |
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我要報告的是 其實這個不在籍投票對於選務的衝擊這是要再基礎喔不是沒問題有問題 你參與說立法院選舉 如果說要用不在籍投票選 76張票 |
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選舉委員會主任委員 |
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基本的問題最重要是什麼?就是說你選舉競爭的公平性很重要啦!這最重要!所以本事要跟你說你在不在意投票,在沒有民主主義的國家投票出來,會對一個好選人 |
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對你的問題就是說你用不一樣的不再期投票的方式總有它一些風險的存在那你實施的話能不能夠得到社會各界的信賴這很重要 |
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選舉的過程若被選舉不相信會斷的會變成這樣所以我們考慮的是這些因素這些因素不是說你就不能做就是說我們必須要有很完整的一個整個有累積實務的實施的經驗這樣穩健的跨出我們不拒絕我們不排斥但是選務的穩定性一定要考量 |
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主委,在你剛才所解釋的那樣,在本席所要你說的就是說,你如果說已經要契用在4月70要契用嘛,對,這個連署當中,沒有人知道,沒有人是你說要契用的啦,大家都想說,現在開始了,不簡單,你們的中選會要開始給人家整個電子連署了啦, |
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但是真的你們的資訊讓人會覺得說﹖那個﹖契庸﹖真的沒有人知道主委你知道這個契庸﹖真的﹖所以說本身在這裡﹖我希望你們還開記者會﹖我們有安排﹖對﹖還要安排﹖再來在剛才你說宣布的時候的滿意度93%﹖ |
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對選務工作人員服務態度．高達13．高達10．主委．在電台的選．要選的選．本選後．跟你談到說．很多地方．遇到身心障礙．的人要去投票．絕對要想到．他們的權利是主委．你有看到．你看．唯一一個．身心的好選人． |
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陳靜安他講什麼?他說他看到老闆在那裡還可以回去,結果他沒辦法回去,他跟媽媽就要再去死一年之後,才有辦法回去。主委,我們做這個真的不到位,在本社在這順的時候,就跟你們說,一定要變民,像地方的, |
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您敢不敢去統計說,目前有我們的不方便的有多少,這次我們要檢討多少,我相信他們都不知道,都有怎麼會變成這樣,那這個問題是怎樣來,主委我們不要講白話,來講這個問題就好了 |
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委員會主席發言委員會主席 |
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委員會主任委員會主席 |
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委員會主席 |
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麻煩報告給我因為我覺得每一個我們都要公佈不是跟我們的好選人身心的好選人而已我相信每一個地方都有這個問題本來跟你說過我們要方便民有的他真的在輪椅上看真的不方便他還回來主委 |
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真的,我們這個問題,要深入去用,你還要有進步的空間,以上是,我也拜託啦,就是說如果有遇到這個問題時,要把我們的工作人員歡迎。謝謝完美會委員的資訊。主委,完美會委員提出我們的場地勘查一定要落實,好,謝謝。 |
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好,我們下一位委員,我們習星雲,我們習委員好,謝謝主席,那本席請李主委好,請主委 |
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本席首先要就我們選政跟選務一直是分立的這個情況跟主委來請教現在我們選政整個都是內政部 |
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選務是中選會公投法現在選政又歸在中選會所以選政跟選務為什麼不能合一 |
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主委支持選政選務合一嗎我們過去雖然是在選舉的部分選政跟選務是有分工啦有內政部主管這個選政我們主管選務那過去運作的經驗其實都相當的順遂沒有沒有其實每次在討論比如像選罷法的時候兩個部會就要溝通協調其實是 |
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世界各國選政選務分開的有哪些國家? |
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說不出來啦 重點是說不出來因為選政選務在世界各國都是合一的那我們台灣有它的歷史這個過去會分開有它的歷史因素但是近幾年來幾乎社會上都是希望選政選務是合一的包含106年的陳朝健副主委 |
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還有112年的黃秀端委員在立法院行使同意權的這個審查的時候都認同這個方向可是我們看到蔡政府8年以來呢都沒有把選政選務來想辦法合一那不知道是有什麼考量 |
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其實這個政府社官分子都有一定的基礎選政選務合一這樣才比較好處理嗎那你看選報法又是內政部公投法選委會那選報法內政部可是選務選舉的時候選務又是中選會所以選政選務合一請問是不是內政部反對 |
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還是行政院有什麼意見我從來沒有聽說內政部有反對那為什麼不合一因為運作沒有發生困難運作都相當的順遂同時在選務裡面其實這個在第8屆其實簽不到內政部的業務也非常的多其實在第8屆本席當立委的時候那時候其實 |
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在野黨也支持選政選務要合一那為什麼這8年來反而沒有所以這個部分本席想請主委是不是可以您這裡來向行政院跟內政部表達選政選務合一如果運作制度的一個設計產生實務運作的困難當然我們會反映 |
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但是自從我認知以來﹖所以您同認同選政選務合一﹖沒有漢格之處那是都是你在說的所以本席還是希望我們選政選務可以合一那因為時間關係本席要接著請問這個公投電子連署我們採用科技的方式讓民眾方便您應該認同吧 |
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公投電子連署只能用自然人憑證 |
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為什麼只有一個方法聯署根據公投法的規定必須要聯署人親自簽名或者是蓋章親自簽名或者蓋章那所以你要用電子聯署的話必須是法定的他有簽名蓋章同樣效力的這個方式才可以那依據現有的這個電子簽章法的規定那這個自然人憑證自然人憑證才有這個效力 |
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安全等級本席就要跟你請教你有自己網路報稅過嗎 |
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網路報稅有手機報稅跟電腦報稅那他都也有申請各種憑證的方式那行之多年他沒有安全的疑慮 |
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所以剛剛主委說有安全等級沒有那你看財政部對這個他都沒有任何的意見然後再加上我們的法律公投法他就有講他的提案連署方式查對等等由主管機關定之 |
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但是你們在行政命令的時候寫電子連署應該要以自然人憑證其實法律沒有規定自然人憑證法律沒有規定自然人憑證所以本席這邊希望我們除了自然人憑證讓大家更方便的健保卡反而是大家比較習慣使用那我們報稅也都可以用健保卡 |
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中選會不能夠用行政命令來納入健保卡這必須要牽扯到法律的修改 |
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對對對不是我剛剛講的是你們的行政命令您看一下你們的行政命令法律沒有規定要用自然人憑證你們的行政命令反而限縮在自然人憑證這個反而是行政命令的問題你要去了解一下這個不用說明我接下來我接下來要特別為剩下一分多鐘我要為我們身心障礙者 |
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委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會 |
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他在2020年參選的時候那他因為講話需要比較長時間所以申請延長時間當時臺北市的選委會給他延長5分鐘結果他2024年參選同樣參選申請結果不能延長所以這個選委會也說報給中選會了那中選會到現在還沒有推動修法 |
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中選會開始進行修法了沒?我兩點說明 |
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一個說明就是說經過兩次委員會那參著專業團體的意見之後不是沒有做處理是能夠讓他用他們那個專業的叫AAC的一個輔助的一個設施讓他能夠能夠能夠他真正的意見能夠很清楚的表達出來同時口譯的人員 |
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還是他合作默契才行?還是他要表達你給他的時間身家這個在身心障礙者權利公約施行法第10條第1項有規定主席不好意思多給我30秒規定各級政府應於該法施行後5年內徵徐 |
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徵詢障礙團體並且完成制定修正廢止不符公約的法規這個103年12月3日就施行5年內等於在108年就到期就應該要做修正但是中選會一直沒有修正所以本席要為障礙團體還有 |
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每一個人都有參政權我們要為他們來爭取我兩點簡要的說明第一點就這個個案我們有斟酌各方的意見這不是個案未來可能還會有其他人參選未來的部分我們也說就是說我們要做進行檢討一個就是說保障這個身心障礙者他們的權益第二個也要兼顧到選舉的公平性這兼顧的情形之下我們要進行研議有這麼樣一個規劃 |
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所以請你們能夠這個身心障礙者權利公約實行法你們應該要改正就是這樣謝謝 |
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好 謝謝我們也是新委員的執行我們中選委主委好那我們下一位請我們的黃姐那本位報告本位執行完在我本席執行完我們就處理臨時提案臨時提案後我們就休息5分鐘好 謝謝來繼續好 謝謝 |
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公投先行 選舉後行 |
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第一個就是說公投是對市的投票選舉是對人的投票對人的投票當然牽涉到的複雜因素很多啦所以在102年跟105年都有總統副總統選舉選舉的不在籍投票的草案的提出都沒有辦法完成立法為什麼呢因為各方意見雜陳所以大家沒有辦法取得共識他是非常非常複雜的 |
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例如說,我舉一個最簡單的例子,你說立法委員的選舉,如果要納入不再起投票的話,你碰到的第一個問題,一共76種不同的選票。這76種不同的選票,如何印製、運送、保管、開票,這個在選務上的確有它的難度存在。 |
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那這個難度你要不要去克服呢當然應該要克服但是但是我們選舉的穩定是非常重要的所以我們希望從對市的比較單純的公民投票先來開始實施他實施的方式也是用我們已經有實施經驗的移轉投票的方式 |
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委員會主席 |
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以這個我們選務改革的目標大家都是一致的都是希望說可以真的保障每一個人的投票權讓大家可以用更簡便的方式來行使自己的參政權是這樣沒錯吧是的同時要兼顧到選務的穩定避免因為選務而發生一些選舉上的糾紛 |
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是的,謝謝委員 |
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好那再來請教一下因為大家都說現在其實不在籍的投票形式有非常多種包括通訊通訊投票代理投票提前投票特色投票所電子投票甚至是境外投票移轉投票還有用投票卡等等形式非常多種但是目前我們看到其實有有立委已經提出的版本是希望可以用境外的通訊投票 |
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那我要問一下就是這個境外的通訊投票目前的風險有什麼可不可以先請主委說明一下通訊投票目前最大的疑慮跟風險為何 |
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就制度面來講就是這樣子的投票方式那他的這個投票人選舉人他的自由意志是不是有得到充分的保護這點是必須要考慮的那第二點民主的投票保障投票人的秘密 |
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秘密投票這是非常非常重要的一個因素所以如果採行這個通信投票尤其是海外的通信投票的話選務的困難這個先不要去提光是選舉本身他的核心的價值的部分就已經有很多的風險存在而這些風險風險怎麼樣 |
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能夠防止這是就是對我們的考驗所以我們是希望能夠穩健的腳步有累積實施的經驗之後我們再逐步的採取 |
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好這其實主委講得非常保守啦我一個白話文講就是說以以現在各個世界各國的例子就是有人拿說說澳洲在中國也可以投票啊但是因為澳洲在中國其實是有大使館的嘛他們可以在中國的自己的大使館裡面確保裡面是自己的工作人員並且是自己的公民能夠進到一個非常安心安全的環境之下來投票是這樣子那也有另外 |
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韓國人在台灣也有海外投票所那他們一樣是韓國在台有辦事處可以在自己的辦事處這樣子的一個環境之下投票那現在問題來了如果台灣人要在中國投票可行嗎想起來就是一個笑話嘛第一我們在那裡有辦法設大使館有辦法設領事館甚至是任何辦事處嗎如果中國願意讓我們設我們再進一步來討論嗎 |
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首先這個環境一定要是非常安全的再來就是技術問題就是如果我們台灣人在這個環境之下要如何確保我們能夠依據自己的意志來投票會不會有人監看難道我們是要在北京的人民大會堂下讓他亮票嗎會不會造成這樣的情況這更何況現在中國有反間諜法大家也都知道我們在這裡如果 |
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委員會主席 |
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那剛剛也有提到說如果這個票數要回報是不是有所謂的資安的疑慮他們要怎麼回報難道你從中國要回報票數難道要翻牆嗎所以怎麼想這都是非常不可行的所以這個方案我覺得就照主委的方式我們優先的先從可行的包括一轉投票因為一轉投票其實在台灣也有試行過就是我們選務人員現在就是這樣行使的對嗎 |
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我們不是原地踏步啦就是說這個移轉投票是有實施的經驗但是這一次的草案是把它擴及到普遍性的任何有投票權的人你都可以申請移轉投票所以我們還是跨出去一步了是 |
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所以我覺得這個從風險低到風險高的我們必須要排出優先順序所以其實我不太懂現在在這麼多種形式的不在籍投票之下偏偏要挑一個風險這麼高的偏偏要挑一個最不可行的說我們沒有做到沒有一步到位這個就是沒有在做選務改革這件事這個下表示錯的 |
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那最後我還是要強調一下無論接下來要用什麼樣的形式啦我們都應該要同意說選務改革必須要有一個大前提就是不能讓這個選制變得更容易舞弊更容易從中作亂更容易降低台灣人對這個選制的信任對嗎 |
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台灣的民主選舉已經累積了相當的經驗雖然有人對我們還是提出批評指教我們都虛心的聆聽但是這樣一個選制的運作有它的基礎也有它的價值存在其實我們看到國外的民主選舉雖然是民主先進的國家比如說2020年的美國總統大選也是發生了很多很多的糾紛 |
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好 謝謝主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
高靜素美趙薇 |
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主委早安1月13號總統副總統跟立法委員的選舉已經落幕了選舉之後我們辦公室有請教貴委員會你們說這次各地方的選委會沒有提報有關於原住民投票疏失的狀況然而主委您知道嗎是真的那麼順利嗎還是我們中選會你們選擇性的沒有看到為什麼為什麼我在這邊再提幾個 |
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我看到的狀況我們族人跟我的澄清有不發還有漏發錯發原名選票的新聞而且是一而再再而三喔第一個狀況族人漏給立法委員選票因此呢我們有總統的有政黨的選票但是他並沒有給他原住民的選票 |
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然後因為有些族人可能自己也礙於不敢問所以他投了前面幾張的選票而原住民最重要他自己的身份的選票並沒有投進去因為沒有給他選票第二個是族人漏給了立委的選票經過現場抗議之後我們的選議員從底下拿出了他應該要的選票拿出來你認為這樣的行為有沒有疏失 |
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你們有沒有接到這樣的狀況如果有個案的話我們都會進行調查都會請該地的選委會來進行調查按照選務的規定你們上面這樣的狀況是不會被列入統計的 |
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因為為什麼你知道嗎主委是因為投票所無法錄音錄影然後族人也沒有辦法用自己的手機錄下證據申訴所以因此不會有你這邊不會有這樣的消息但是呢這種八年來這種狀況比比皆是 |
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尤其是這一次我們辦公室接到了現場非常多主任給我們反應然後還需要我們辦公室的助理打電話到地方去跟警察報案了趕快來處理這個問題所以主委你知道嗎在你們工作人員手冊裡面其實你們是有把這些狀況列入注意事項的 |
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可是呢在歷次的投票當中還是有族人跟我們求救啊表示你們中選會並沒有真正的在選務上面去落實這個事情啊我當然不願意認為大家是歧視原住民的選舉歧視原住民但是這裡面的確有疏失對吧 主委 |
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的確過去曾經有若干的個案被檢舉不只過去這一次我辦公室就收到了非常多的沒有如果確實有你們要怎麼處理我們也都會要求地方檢查跟檢討那每次在我們的工作的檢討請你告訴我落實一下好不好 |
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一地原住民跟三地原住民選票顏色是不一樣的對不對 |
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我們的選務人員也許會有疏忽但是第一點我們要特別澄清的他不會有歧視的問題我知道我說我不願意用歧視這兩個字所以你們的選務工作並沒有落實而且他也沒有政黨的問題那所以我現在告訴你請你告訴我要怎麼落實我們的這個作業的規範已經定了 |
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加強訓練、宣導...您知不知道在各個地方在各個縣市裡面只要是原住民的地區都有原住民局處你知道嗎?你不知道?有原民局處嘛這是法律規定的嘛第二個在我們的教育體系裡面也有原民中心不管是原民局處或是原民中心尤其是原民中心都是我們學校的 |
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老師或主任去做兼任這樣的工作你能不能在各地方的選務的時候文化敏感度提高甚至於讓這些人能夠參與選務的工作可以嗎這是我非常建議給你的具體可以去落實的部分可以嗎你們已經好多年沒有解決這個問題了我一個月之內幫我請提供我剛剛也提供了你具體落實的方式所以一個月告訴我 |
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提供你們應該要改善的措施好不好接著再來就是原住民還有兩個問題沒有辦法解決一直以來你們也不重視第一個就是秘密投票103年的時候立委針對這個事情就質疑了而你們的中選會也說 |
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對於原住民投票隱私權,你們向來是高度重視的。結果,過了17年,再上一屆看一下2020年的立委選舉,我們全台灣3地原住民的投票所有10557個。 |
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7182.499 |
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然後在這個當中有3個人之內的投票所有4166間 佔了39.5% 然後有29間投票率是0的 佔了22.2% 你知道為什麼會這麼低嗎 第一個 3個人之內的他會被覺得他會被迫亮票 |
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7214.909 |
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926件是零的因為他不願意去投票因為他也覺得他會被人家看到他投票的取向所以就是說有這麼多我們的山地原住民的族人跟平地原住民族人因為制度沒有做好而讓他們剝奪了投票的權利你覺得這該不該解決處理 |
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7217.39 |
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7229.821 |
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當然這個投票秘密是非常重要的一個選舉的要件那我們也努力的希望能夠消弭這樣子的情況沒有努力啊 到現在還沒有改變啊我們看一下數據2020年總統投票率是74.9%而3D原住民的投票率68.6%比總統低了6.3% |
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7240.95 |
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平地原住民投票率62.3%比總統投票率低了12.6%再來看一下這次2024的投票率總統的投票率是71.86%三地原住民投票率是60.32%比總統投票率低了7.54% |
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平均原住民投票率58.25%比總統的投票率低的是13.61%你看到了嗎 不管是山地 平地我們的投票率都那麼低欸 主委17年來都沒有改變這個問題第一個是秘密投票的問題第二個是投票率低的問題請問要怎麼解決處理我跟委員報告 這個就是要維持要保障這個投票秘密在原住民的部分的確是有一些技術上的問題要克服 |
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委員會主任委員會主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[241].end |
7318.787 |
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我知道你會這麼回答我 主委我在這邊提醒你 你們這是非常消極的作為 招選會就必須要來處理解決任務這是身為一個公務人員政府應該做的事情 好不好接著下來 這個問題一個月之內也提你們的解決方案給我另外另外另外 另外你們沒有努力 對不起 |
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7340.772 |
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我們看到110年包含主委有6名中選會的委員你們上任的時候針對不在籍投票你們多數是採正面的看法看一下這個都有公報上被記錄的你們是採正面的看法只是策略上你們希望是要逐步施行是不是這樣子 |
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| transcript.whisperx[243].text |
我告訴你我反對逐步施行台灣數位科技的廠商的能耐兩年之內的時間他可以做到全面的來實施所以不要再用逐步的腳步來解決這個問題來回應立法院的當然我們也會已經提案了 |
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7364.368 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].text |
中選會就選務的再教育,包含應發、未發、應發而錯發原住民或漏發的選票情形,一個月之內提出有效做法 |
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| transcript.whisperx[245].text |
2、針對秘密投票跟原住民投票率非常低落的問題提出他的問題點提出他有效的解決方案一個月之內給我提出這兩份報告如果您願意的話我也歡迎您到本辦公室來我們好好做 |
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| transcript.whisperx[246].end |
7395.482 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].text |
一月之內 |
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7443.177 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
好謝謝我們高金素美我們的召委我們中選委主委主委我們就一個月到召委的辦公室提出報告好謝謝召委可以吧好請我們下一位我們丁協中委員 |
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7455.29 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
7458.595 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
感謝主席我請你主委好請我們主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].start |
7463.956 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
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現在我們共同在訓練在訓練在發聲現在我們今天在中央在我們國家的發聲恭喜委員謝謝感謝今天我們整個的議題都當這個國際級投票我也想要跟我們主委請教一下我們進行推動這個國際級投票為什麼進行推動都不會通過 |
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我剛才有報告過有關總統副總統選舉的不在籍投票在182年草案有提出來185年草案也提出來但是兩個草案都沒有完成審查的程序最重要原因就是大家的意見差太多了所以必須要再進一步的凝聚共識 |
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我們過去4年我們推動未行但這次很多委員都有支持我們這個不在籍投票不知道說我們主委有支持我們這個不在籍投票這尖閣大風雄都沒問題大家都得意大家都認為應該要補充但是就是說適用的範圍以及實施的方式大家有進一步一樣的看法這是必須要進一步去討論 |
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法定人數不足 |
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委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任 |
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公投法,我們這個修法的法案,上來跟立法院,想要請問一件,我們一做這個中選會主委,一件那麼久了,當這個全民公投的不在籍投票法,我們端蓋,怎麼會有辦法通過? |
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我向委員報告當然那個一百十年車案上過了之後那委員會也很積極地進行兩次的委員會的審查而且審查完畢了不過在進入朝野黨團協商的時候呢就卡掉了 時間還不能付就要借期不續審 |
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雖然這期不續審,但是在這個會期開始後,我們把它列為優先的法案,所以我在第一時間在2月20日的時間,行政委就把原草案再送過來。比較奇怪的是,我們前一陣子的執政黨的位置比較多,四年內的各審法都 |
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想通過什麼就有辦法通過什麼有什麼修法案都這樣有效率都很快就通過英雄社這個全民公投不在籍投票所有有辦法通過這是讓人比較疑問的 |
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委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任 |
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政府不想推動不在籍投票 |
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委員會主席委員會主席 |
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第一點這可以是一個客觀的形式境外尤其是敵對勢力對我們台灣選舉的概念是非常明顯而且這個違約是非常大 |
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選制的改革不能忽視這一點這一點也請大家能夠諒解其實大家都知道啦你如果說要在中共實施這個國際投票那是絕對不可能的啦是絕對不可能的啦不只是這個東西我們考慮的我們考慮也可以考慮 |
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委員會主任委員會主席 |
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加上委員委員提出修法．說這兩晚．跟這個總統選舉．整個國際級投票的各種的一個方式．雖然台獨所有國家都已經．有實施這個國際級投票．我相信副理由我們做得到．雖然這是這個選法．主管來的 |
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這是內政部的不是我們中選會來的但是我們中選會透過這個選舉的專門的單位可以請主委就這個選舉的藥夫對於一般的選舉用不在籍投票的意見 |
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我們感謝丁薛忠委員我們請吳清明召委 |
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好謝謝主席我們一位同仁請我們中選委主委加主委 |
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主委你好主委其實我們不在即投票今天早上大家都在討論不在即投票是我記得是在第9屆我們那時候107年就是來提出不在即投票但是已經歷經了6年6年我們知道因為這是一個很大的工程我們要考慮到我們境外的問題 |
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委員會主席 |
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委員會主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].start |
7929.352 |
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7957.397 |
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全國性公民投票電子連署這個系統你說4月10號其實外面的人也都會有疑慮什麼叫那個電子連署的系統上路4月10號你說應該要加速我們是在測試讓整個民眾來知道不然我看早上我還第一次聽到4月1號我還是訝異4月1號是到底是 |
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7960.858 |
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雖然大家對台灣的選舉制度有很多指教但是在國際中間尤其是英國的經濟學人的做看社 |
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2011年跟2023年所做的167個國家地區的這個這個民主的調查的評比我們台灣在全世界就選舉過程這個指標來講我們在全世界是百名台北2021年 |
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臺灣的民主選舉是世界上大家最大的困難 |
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這一點 英國的經濟學人所公布這四季 因為那些真的有參考的價值要給民眾了解 其實台灣過去的選舉 整個制度定下來真的非常完善 但是大家都討論說不在一起投票 也一定要說 議員要推動 我們還是要很謹慎把它規劃好 |
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委員會主任委員會主席 |
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身心障礙這個地方這是很好解決我們的各投票所我們還是不適合的我們還是來可以來做更換我們就是要便利說我們的身心障礙者他們也有公民投票權這我們也要給他保障這點是我們要去加強 |
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委員會主席 |
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在這次選舉我們所倒立的有24萬我們的工作人員其實工作人員都很辛苦但是工作人員我們也是一定要對應一定要警覺保障因為他畢竟他也是要去投票所以有很多人告訴我盡量分配投票的時候有人在工作上、時間上有很多人會釋放他的投票的權力 |
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現在的制度就是 投票所的廣州人員 |
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可以移轉投票但是這個移轉投票它限於同一個縣市區域同一個選期之內才可以但是新的草案都已經開放了也就是跨縣市的也可以移轉投票 |
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這就是我們要告訴他們的潛意或是這個部分我們也是中選會還有一點就是說在我們中選會的業務我們過去我們說說因為我們說在網路的某些造假啦境外的造假啊我們所偵查的速度是怎樣 |
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中選會的立場就是說我們及時的掌握這個錯假訊息的來源那同時立即的回應我們一定要馬上有來聽清 |
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主要重點要看他造成的影響的強弱我們採取必要的反制的措施尤其是我們跟五大平台業者都有建立通報的管道及時的通報讓他們來進行處理最嚴重的就是下架這樣這我們都有在做 |
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那主委我請問你本席這邊的資料在網路的信息就超過700多則那陣陣有在檢調移送檢調起訴的有幾個案件我們有大概20幾個案30個案是移送給檢調移送給這個地檢署以及這個刑事警察局來做處理 |
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委員會主任委員會主任 |
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相信每會也都有聲說因為假訊息就特別多這一點因為我們是一個超然的中選委我們還是要秉持的很公正你有檢舉我們就是要把他趕快收集趕快移送 |
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我們關於選務錯假訊息的處理以及他的成果其實國際的媒體對我們相當的肯定包括美聯社都做很大很顯著的一個報導 |
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因為我們都還有境外的問題啊,所以這是很麻煩的好,謝謝,謝謝主委謝謝,我們感謝吳清明召委,跟我們休訓五分鐘,五分鐘後,我們就臨時提案在這裡面拜託審判單位,有提案的人趕快去溝通一下,謝謝 |
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法定人數不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[291].end |
8405.401 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].text |
議員會議員會議員會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].start |
8415.718 |
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8417.724 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].text |
委員會主席 |
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8986.679 |
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臨時提案 |
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臨時提案一有鑒於臺北市選舉委員會對腦性麻痹障礙者賴中於參選立委時的延長政見發表時間申請,2020年時准許延長5分鐘,2024年卻以有科技設備輔助為由不予准許,又申請障礙團體多次公開呼籲要求政府重視障礙者資訊經用的權利。 |
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9035.04 |
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再者身心障礙者權利公約施行法第10條第1項明定政府應於5年內及108年12月徵詢身心障礙團體意見並修正不符合公約之法規綜上中央選舉委員會顯然有義務修正公職人員選舉公辦證件發表會實施辦法以及其他相關法規中有關證件發表之規定原請中央選舉委員會嚴處徵詢身心障礙團體之意見 |
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9054.014 |
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區分不同障礙別將障礙者之參選人政見發表時有權力申請的各種協助措施修正並明確納入法規並於兩個月內將嚴處書面報告送至立法院內政委員會提案人委員徐欣盈、徐宇貞、黃健斌、牛許廷 |
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臨時提案二,現行選政選務分立．內政部系長理選政．負責修法與政策．而中央選舉委員會則長理選務．負責執行選務之現況．為建立公正獨立客觀之選舉制度．援請中央選舉委員會．就選政選務分立及合一的態度．與一個月內將嚴處情形之書面報告．送立法院內政委員會．提案人委員徐欣盈．徐宇珍．黃健斌．劉許婷選組完畢 |
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我們現在先處理我們的第一案第一案一個月改為兩個月大家有沒有意見沒有照案通過那第二案也是我們的習委員所提出的那大家有沒有意見沒有就照案通過 |
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主席主席各位委員還有我們請主委好請我們主委好 |
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這個再次的談不再起投票是我們看這個印尼啊印尼施行不再起投票海外在台的印尼的移工都能夠海外投票在台灣投票他們實施現場投票還有郵寄投票我們看這個今年的2月14號 |
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這個印尼的在台灣施行不在籍投票每個移工啊外勞在台灣啊都能夠收到這個不在籍投票的通知在台灣投票啊像這樣的一個我家的外勞照顧我媽媽89歲他已經兩次了在台灣投票 |
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我每次從這個回來要回到瑞穗花蓮瑞穗投票他說你怎麼還要回來你在臺北投票就好了還是你在花蓮市投票就好了我說臺灣還沒有施行他的老公他的老公因為最近我們切工嘛他老公7個月前來7個月前來一樣在臺灣投票第一次來 |
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根據外交部提供的一百零三年七月九號印尼在台灣就開始不再舉投票一百零八年十月十四號一百一十三年二月十四號台灣自稱為民主法治國的國家真的是不如印尼海外喔印尼這麼這個是不再舉投票好 |
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我們很卑微的原住民組很卑微的要求原住民組不在即投票到現在沒有辦法實施當然中選會嘛常常會說內政部的主管的業務但是中選會你要強力的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
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要把原住民族在臺灣尤其是原住民的立法委員的選舉是臺澎金馬在最容易實施的對不對我們每一個投票手啊在金門馬祖澎湖我們都有投票手對不對部會期全部都有的投票手也原住民的立法委員的投票手都有啊 |
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最容易實施卻到現在沒有辦法實施所以我曾經提案一直沒有辦法在立法院通過所以這個部分臺灣因為研究民主第7臺澎金馬你看這個要到蘭嶼投票這麼遠從臺北市坐火車坐飛機才能夠到蘭嶼坐船 |
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你看我們原住民與非原住民投票比例立法委員從第7屆第8屆第9屆第10屆第11屆這個投票率原住民跟非原住民的差距非常非常的大所以在這樣的一個情形之下我在第9屆內政委員會審查都支持但是到了 |
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主委你的看法怎麼樣 |
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謝謝委員的指教首先委員提到印尼在臺灣可以投票印尼在臺灣設投開票所他們可以投票其實一定要有臺灣政府全力的協助臺灣政府如果不協助他的話他就沒有辦法辦理這個投票所以可見的臺灣的政府對於不再舉投票是一個開放的態度這是第一點說明 |
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那臺灣可不可以在其他的國家讓當地的僑民來投票呢可不可行呢我想困難重重了主委我今天要談的是原住民的啦對我知道只有臺灣政府只有臺灣的中選會你跟我談別的國家我是要跟你談原住民的剛剛委員有提到印尼所以我要談到臺灣政府的態度他是開放的態度這個投票通知單是 |
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祝臺北印尼選舉委員會祝臺北印尼選舉委員會祝臺北印尼選舉委員會祝臺北印尼選舉委員會祝臺北印尼選舉委員會祝臺北印尼選舉委員會祝臺北印尼選舉委員會祝臺北印尼選舉委員會 |
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區域立法委員來講原住民的立法委員選舉因為是全國一個選區那在選務的這個部分他是相對比較單純的但是為什麼不實施我們是希望穩健的腳步從公民投票先來實施那要推到選舉的時候也許原住民全國單一選區的部分可以列為優先的一個條件 |
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在臺灣的印尼在臺灣10310834個固定的投票所今年2月14號新增加為54個固定投票所而且還增加了移動的 |
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6台移動的選舉車我報告委員即便跟我們有邦交的國家我們說選舉要其他的國家我只是說我們不如啦就原住民族而言啦我們都是原住民族跟印尼啊我們都是南島民族啦南島民族 |
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在臺灣我們竟然沒有辦法這個實施並沒有族群的差異性並沒有完全是一個選舉公平跟透明信賴的一個考量那我剛剛跟委員報告過其實以前就有過對話如果要跨到選舉這個領域的話也許單一選區的部分原住民的立法委員可以列為優先的考慮 |
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但是你們的現在所提送到立法院的公民投票不在即投票 |
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只要是總統副總統的選舉跟立法院選舉如果有公民投票的時候就不實施了我們的原住民的立委選舉一樣沒有辦法當然不能夠一式選舉兩個制度所以真的是差太多了我們趕快把這一步能夠跨出去請委員能夠支持謝謝我們鄭天才委員謝謝主委 |
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那下一位我們請我們蘇清淺委員好謝謝謝謝主席那我請主委好請主委主委我終於等到了等到我可以來問問你我的榮幸謝謝委員指教 |
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選舉人重複投票或冒領選票的辦法這是你們發布的就是說按指紋﹚或者是手印﹚或者是應該有主任管理員﹚或是管理員﹚或是監察員﹚要有護簽在證明人蓋章那我跟主委報告我現在還在告你我現在還在拍高雄高等法案在告你下一張 |
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這是我們2022年屏東的選舉這邊當時有很多委員幫我講話那這個不是說對個人我是在對我們整個中選會你一再的講這是小瑕疵各位看到 |
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很多都放棄運放棄運有1張1張這樣可以放20多個都放棄運後面都沒有人合張我們各位委員你要小心喔你將來不管你是哪一黨哪一派的你早期之前早到要死這給你衝衝你就就算了而且差距很小的時候兩三下就落選了 |
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有的投票所居然蓋手印超過21%主委這是誇張了然後有人拿一個印章蓋領了二三十張然後我們要去申請全部711個投票所不公結果不准然後我們不得不就請了14位律師去用印領清澈 |
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差七八十一分的引領清澈：內有出問題一百四十七的所以這個是這個你們看得下去嗎還有再最後一個 |
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有投票箱裏面是跟選票一模一樣的空白就跟選票一樣喔管定會是紅色的,就紅色的那是空白這樣也可以在裏面算作選票然後有的是縣長像萬巒鄉的縣長的有蓋章但是他不給他選票沒有領到選票的也有 |
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再來更糟糕的是我們各個鄉的投票就是這個叫投票所報到鄉、鎮然後再報到屏東選委會然後再轉到我們中央選委會那個電腦來來去去那一般是報上去結果就check OK就好了 |
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結果有的投票手續報上去回來又改改又改又改到7次我們都查出來了那我們中選會一再講這是小瑕疵我告訴你買票一票就當選沒辦法我們這樣查查的粗暴查查的2490多票有問題所以主席 |
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中華民國、臺灣省的選舉現在還有這種事情。 |
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第一關就是我們自己要調查 |
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我們自己要調查那有沒有外界所質疑的尤其是委員所指教的這些狀況我們要檢討第二個很重要的最重要的必須要經過發言人員這案件就已經有進入司法庭室了嘛我們這時候發言人員的室室會監督我們選舉是不是有好沒好是不是有作弊作票或者是單純的這個我們都會檢討 |
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有投完票就把整個投票所關起來,鐵門拉下來,這裡面整票,整完,然後再把鐵門打開,然後再開著開票,然後我們先唱票,亮票,然後再整票,你們是倒著幹,全世界都看到那個視頻 |
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我們都會用最負責的態度去進行調查 |
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因為這個不能夠去傷害選舉的公正性我是沒有把那些在法院的東西拿來秀給大家看阿比公開的資料我們都會主動去了解跟檢討 |
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我要再講的是我們要的Lockdown一直不給就是你的電腦從鄉到縣市然後到中央來來去去一直改一直改一直改我們一直在請法院調中選會就是不給那裡面都很貓膩 |
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我感覺李平東那當然是一時期待我們現在還在高檔方案我們要一次調166票沒有換他換他如果要調他會調啦 |
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一堆一個投票所20幾%是用蓋手印 |
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這個需要進一步的確認你能力很強你都運動大師我面對問題我面對問題謝謝委員好謝謝我們蘇清淺委員的執行中選委蘇清淺委員所提出的我們要積極的調查那謝謝那我們下一位請我們的李坤臣委員 |
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謝謝主席 我們請李主委好 請李主委主委好 這個大家都很關心 這個你們所提出來公民投票的這個不在籍投票法的法案 是的然後我發現這個當然在野黨也有提出這個不在籍投票法然後主席先 本席先請教一下這一個主委 |
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這個你們送過來到立法院審查這個全國性公民投票不在籍投票法的修法重點我認為啦第一個是對式的投票嘛公民投票第二個就是說由投票權人本人親自在投票日的當日前往投票所投票 |
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目前實施到現在有沒有出現什麼問題? |
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沒有出現問題沒有出現問題那這個是移轉投票就事先先登記是不是對事先要先登記事先先登記我要僑居國外的國民都是事先登記那現在這個我看有在野黨的這個立委他們有提案有兩個版本都是關於這個一般選舉的這是一般選舉的不在籍投票那我不曉得主委有沒有看過他們的這個投票這個他們那個提案的內容我有看過你認為說跟這個公民投票這個不在籍投票的最大差異在哪裡 |
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我想不在即投票的這個推動牽涉到兩個層面第一個就是說你這個適用的範圍到底到什麼地方我們現在的步驟就是從對市的公民投票開始適用建設的在能夠擴及到這個選舉這是適用的範圍 |
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另外一個實施的方式不在籍投票的方式有很多現在被討論的包括通訊投票特色投開票所代理投票期間投票等等等你是不是一次的到位 |
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本席認為在議黨立委所提案不再投票跟目前我們要推的不再投票最大差別應該在於通訊投票 |
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通訊投票其實也有很多的亂象比如美國採用通訊投票在2020年的時候他們以這個總統大選通訊投票結果有開了四天票都還開不出來通訊投票的這在台灣沒辦法發生台灣當天晚上票都一定要開出來沒有辦法讓你容許四天因為美國太大了有這個delay四天這個結果還開不出來 |
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當然通訊投票也不一定會提高投票率從美國總統大選來看也不一定會提高投票率第二個郵寄的過程當中有太多機會可以作票沒辦法監票沒辦法秘密投票比如說我剛剛看到有很多委員提到說在台灣也可以做外籍人士做不在籍的通訊投票 |
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我是認為啦那是因為台灣是一個民主國家我們不會去干涉你說你這個投票你要投給誰阿什麼的如果今天是在中國的話是不是有可能這個會影響到這個投票的意志影響到這個秘密投票的原則 |
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在其他的國家都一樣會有風險都會有風險那我認為因為現在在黨立委在提的就是在中國希望台商或是台生希望能夠用通訊投票的方式但是我認為啦我認為這個會影響到這個投票原則第一個秘密投票第二個有可能會影響到這個投票自由意志總委認為勒這也是我們最擔心的 |
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我看今天這個國安局蔡局長他有提到通訊投票第一個有資安的問題第二個會不會說這個在投票過程當中自由意志受到影響這也必須要考量的 |
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主委認為通訊投票在未來的時間裡面 如果通訊投票因為他們現在人數多 要完成三讀 請問一下諸董會有沒有自然難行的地方 有沒有其他因應的策略 |
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我們希望這個選制的一個變更希望大家都以非常審慎的態度來進行我們是這樣認為啦在野黨不是這麼認為嗎因為一個選制的變更重大的變革可能會影響到選務的安定那如果選務出現瑕疵出現錯誤的話重大的錯誤那這可能會影響到整個民主國家的根基所以一定要用非常負責跟審慎的態度如果他們把這個通訊投票通過怎麼辦 |
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希望沒有如果可是他們現在看起來是人數是比較多如果國民黨跟民眾黨支持這個通訊投票的話有沒有資格來信一方你可以在中國設一個投胎票所嗎有辦法嗎不要說中國即便是在我們有邦交國的國家都不見得會得到協助跟支持 |
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你說在美國日本也不一定那是沒有邦交國的其實有邦交國的國家我認為都會有相當的困難跟風險這我認為最大因素是在中國因為中國它不是一個民主國家你剛才提的都還是民主國家我覺得都還可以談但是在這個中國的話自由投票跟秘密投票的原則我認為被破壞掉那第二個就是說你剛才有提到說這公民投票是對人的對事的投票 |
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那未來會不會這個在對人的投票一般的選舉這方面也會適用這個不在籍投票我認為是移轉投票基本的方向是沒有錯的但是一定要穩健的腳步徹底的來推動不能夠一步跨出去太大步未來是有可能不在籍投票比如說移轉投票是有可能從對事的投票到對人的投票我們就希望能夠累積實施的經驗提供給選舉不在籍投票的一個參考 |
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我認為如果是對人的投票選舉對人的投票這個移轉性的投票本席是可以支持的但是如果是這種通訊投票甚至未來這個用這個電子投票我認為這個弊端都非常的多那本席在這邊我是認為說在執行上面會造成困擾也對於現在的這個投票過程秘密投票自由意志投票都會受到影響 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會主任委員會主席 |
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委員會主席 |
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這一次我們碰到最大的一個風險就是境外屆選的挑戰選務上呢在選務上是有一些瑕疵出現屆選應該不是你的問題選務上面的問題我們要回應第一個我想我們台灣民眾黨在我們選舉的之後其實我們有相關的監票人員他們在 |
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投票當天開票當天通報了將近上千次的異常狀況然後我們也整理出了相關的異常狀況也正式的向中選會提出檢舉那各個投開票所每一個投開票所的異常狀況都標示的很清楚有幾個狀況我這邊跟主委我想你也看到了但是我想現在有沒有改善第一個領票數跟得票數有不符的情況 |
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投票數大於領票數 |
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就是他們沒有確實的在清點所謂的領票數對嗎清點的過程裡面可能會有一些疏失所以人民會看到這種消息你會覺得他不是瑕疵嗎他當場會被指證他當場會被糾正以及也就是說我們的相關的選務人員對於相關的這些程序並不是那麼了解所以產生發生這種狀況他最大的問題就是在開票之前他沒有公佈領票數 |
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最後出來投的票比領票數還多就是因為沒有清點完成就開始開票這是第一個問題主委 這個很多啊 非常多啊這個如果不能解決的話你的公信力一樣是有問題啊第三個很嚴重的就是主委看到這次檢舉很多影片嘛先整票再唱票嚴重不嚴重 |
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哪一張票念一張 |
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剪票剪票剪票剪票剪票剪票剪票剪票 |
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主任管理員必須要負起這個責任所以有沒有糾正有沒有檢討將來還會不會再發生2024了這一次總統大選再發生你不可能之前沒檢討過3第5聲照樣不聽 |
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第4種投開票的報告單填寫不實很多內容還算錯連數學都不會加這種狀況會讓人民對選會機關的公信力產生很大的這極少數的個案我們沒有辦法保證所以要改進要改進要改進沒有問題你連數學都不好現場都算不清楚民眾拿出來看的就是 |
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投票時可不可以錄影 |
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但是不是毫無限制的還是有一些依照規定他在觀眾型不要影響到開票他就可以錄影對吧請你大聲的跟人民說可以錄影不要干擾到開票行動原則上是可以錄影但是不能夠違背相關的規定所以錄影在開票過程是沒有違法的也不應該被警察趕走對吧 |
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我所瞭解的好像只有單獨的個案 |
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單獨的個案但是影片都交給你們了表示民眾都檢舉得到他就不會只是單純他在開票前他就應該封條給大家看完之後才能開始用他們連封條都不上是怎麼回事我們的這個資料就是只有一個單獨的個案因為這邊就有七八件我們都送給你們麻煩你們也看一下吧我們至少照片上面在大概有七八個投開票所都有這個問題 |
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主委 其實我希望的是你給我一個2024年總統大選的檢討跟精進改善報告吧剛剛講的這些瑕疵有多少 檢討了沒有 怎麼做 將來要怎麼改走到有一個完整的預配過黨團所提供的這份資料 一共有6個類型 28個案例 |
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最後就是剛剛講的不再投票我想大家不用再爭執 |
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臺灣是一個先進的國家全世界的科技大概臺灣最先進但是我們現在政府對於所謂的投票你們在110年做過一個民意調查其實大部分的人都是沒有去投票的原因我很清楚第一個第一就是要上班要工作沒有空沒時間這兩個是最多的另外投票所距離太遠返鄉成本太高 |
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臺灣社會科技大國 |
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委員會主任委員會主席 |
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確定是本人的意願一樣可以像移轉投票號的方式來進行所謂的線上投票用嚴格的資訊控管包括我們現在政府既然接受自然人憑證沒有道理不接受自然人憑證來投票這個是以臺灣我們的科技絕對不會比愛沙尼亞差 |
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我們對於關於這些問題的討論我相信委員也能夠掌握到了所以我們意思是說總要往前走啦現在是2024年啦你的中選會成立的時候是1980年啦44年過去了我們還是做從這次總統大選你會看到我們做的事情是跟44年前一樣做的事跟44年前還是一樣 |
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所以從110年到現在都沒有辦法在立法院裡面完成這第一步的立法程序想出方法盡量想出方法我講這個第一先請你給我報告第二個電子認證可能是你們擔心的不再一起投票的其中一個解方以上好謝謝委員好謝謝我們黃沙釵委員那下一位我們請侯孟楷委員好謝謝 |
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主席謝謝麻煩請李晉勇主委好請主委 |
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委員好主委好主委今天本席看了一下業務報告那剛剛其實很多委員都有在詢問關於說這一次1月13號的總統跟立委選舉那我就比較直接明白想請教業務報告裡面我最希望看到的一個數據並沒有在裡面就1月13號到底這次大選有多少起的這個爭議事件以及我們的處理狀況以及後續的處理 |
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有沒有做一個統計第一個就是在這個首長信箱裡面是有一些檢舉或者是投訴的案子那這些案子我們都交給地方的選委會受理多少以及現在處理的狀況還有這個瑕疵的一個部分 |
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昨天的報告其實最主要國人一定是最關心的地方的選委會還陸續的在查證之中還在查證會告一個段落之後把階段性的一個統計資料再送給委員都已經第二屆我們第11屆的立法委員都已經上任都在做質詢了然後還有 |
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總統有可能520都要就職了那我們到底1月13號這一次選舉有多少個投拍票所有瑕疵有任何剛剛我也提到啊就有先整票再唱票那這些事情整理統計數據有沒有影響最後的選舉結果怎麼在今天的報告都沒有 |
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可以肯定的是沒有影響選舉的結果沒有影響選舉結果不然我們也不會在這邊但重點在於是說你的數據在哪裡嗎你的結案我們講說結案報告你要講說你的這個中選會最重要辦理的過去這兩年一個是九合一選舉一個是1月13號2024年的總統立委大選啊 |
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主委你認為這個資料這麼重要本來認為非常重要是我們都有在處理是那什麼時候這個資料會出來所謂的結案報告的部分現在有沒有手邊有沒有資料在這一次1月13號到底有多少瑕疵的事件目前沒有這方面的統計也沒有但是有資料在進行有案例在進行主委你不會覺得 |
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主委你那麼有經驗各選委會在你講第一時間1月13號就已經通報了啊不是嗎我跟委員報告就是我們那不然很多剛剛委員就提到是說有整票的你也回答也講說我有看過那個影片啊那個不是啦沒有關係啊既然你都有那麼底氣講說那個不是瑕疵或說那個沒有關係啊怎麼沒有整理一份資料給大家來確認因為陸續的地方你又講說陸續再確認 |
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1月13號到現在幾個月了兩國會這樣因為有一些檢舉的案件投訴的案件他陸續進來他陸續進來的時候我們就所以主委會不會覺得這樣慢半拍不只半拍啊好幾拍我們的檢討並沒有做好幾拍啊 |
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本席提出第一個要請中選會好好的 |
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負責任 |
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本席今天準備很多資料跟你討論不在籍投票的部分本席也看到是說我們行政院這邊現在有送出院版的不在籍投票你們現在是希望是說用移轉投票以及希望是說用公投先行我們先請教剛剛你一直講到穩健、踏實 |
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但是說實在話我們一直質疑的我們質詢的是說其實早就應該要動作往前了因為有太多的國家都已經在施行移轉投票通訊投票或者是這個對人的選舉的投票你先看一下你第22頁的報告我也看到我們很多委員參加了世界選舉機關協會 |
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有去泰國、曼谷、亞洲民主跟選舉國際會議,泰國有沒有不在己投票?泰國有沒有不在己投票?據我了解應該有啦。有,泰國有實施的這個...泰國有不在己投票,泰國有對人的選舉的不在己投票。實施的方式都有不同的程度。泰國有沒有不在己投票?有,而且他是對人的選舉也不在己投票。台灣也有不在己投票。 |
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印度有沒有不在籍投票台灣也有不在籍投票台灣有沒有全民的不在籍投票你如果說要做這樣子的文字遊戲所以全民的不在籍投票是希望貴運會能夠支持我們這個草案我們對人啊我現在講沒有錯我現在跟你講是說五輪去參加當選每一個國家裡面每一個國家早就已經施行很久的對人的不在籍的投票 |
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那結果我們現在還是要講說我們要穩健是我們已經落後很多了然後你現在還在講穩健我覺得這根本就是不想做事啊當為而不作為我們講公務人員在一個機關上面你可能都會有下台的一天但是你應該當為不作為第10屆的時候4年到底有沒有規劃 |
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當時疫情的期間我們認為是說疫情是最好可以來推動不管是通訊投票不管是不在意投票應該要來公開願意施行那時候市民不做現在第11屆了看到了這個立法院新的民意新的國會出來了才拿出一個簡化版矮化版簡易版簡破版陽春版的行政院的版本這不是合得不在意投票草案 |
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在歷史上是不是有兩次當一道大願的作為?您任內有提過任何一次嗎?您任內本席講到不再舉投票就是在歷史上有兩次的公投本席現在要講的 |
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本席現在要講的就是我們在要求在所謂的移轉所謂的對人的不在籍投票當我們也看到我們的委員有去泰國參加有去印度參加有去韓國參加而這幾個國家都已經早就實施了全國性的移轉的 |
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請問我們的選舉程序在經濟學人報的評比亞洲第一名都比他們好所以你現在是在貶低他們這些國家嗎?我突然嚇到了我們中總會的主委這樣子是要貶低其他國家我們不要對他們絕對沒有喪失信心但是我想問的是他們這樣子用不在一起投票有沒有喪失公平性?你才回答這一點 |
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本席很認真的 |
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委員會主席 |
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像志祺縣市長也都應該要來推動但是縣市長是另外的一個選舉罷免法可是至少在總統副總統的選舉罷免法任內我們都應該要針對這個因為他跟公投的選舉人數跟範圍其實是一致的 |
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我們希望在這方面討論要顧及到選舉競爭的公平性當然選舉公平性所以說本席才會一直強調轉移投票的信賴性公平性以及你剛剛也講了不管是針對現在選務人員其實都已經在施行了只是為什麼戰略版拿出來還是只有針對公投沒有針對全國性的總統大選 |
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這一點本席就指引如果這個草案能夠得到大院的支持通過的話我們會把實施的經驗來提供給進一步討論選舉不在集團不能一起推動嗎不能一起推動嗎我們希望穩健的腳步因為選務的考量主委我們已經浪費太多的時間了我覺得這一點就是公務員在一個位置上面當作為不作為 |
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我們也都希望大家能夠勇於表達自己的主張最重要的是公平從頭到尾都跟討論是移轉投票我們要的是讓大家都能夠在投票的當天能夠表達自己的意志 |
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主席主席主席主席主席主席主席主席主席主席主席主席主席主席主席主席主席主席主席主席主席主席 |
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主席有請主委好請主委 |
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主委青年的投票率往往不及其他年齡層族群在台灣民主投票結構性缺席許多青年因為求學工作離開了家鄉工作的忙碌課業的繁重讓他們趕不上末班車或可能無力負擔高額票價錯過了回家投票的機會這句話你認同嗎 |
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不會是單一的因素你知道這句話誰說的嗎你知道這句話誰說的嗎我告訴你賴清德總統當選了2024年沒有關係啦剛剛前面講很多不在籍投票你都一直在講說我們先從公投開始我們先這個穩健實施我想請問你中選會組織法的那個第一條是什麼 |
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要貫徹憲法保障人民參政權吧沒錯吧是的你結果我們的青年學子因為趕不上末班車無力負擔高額票價他就錯過了選舉你跟我講說只因為你要穩健那我只看到是立法的怠惰我看到是你執行不力啊 |
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我可以回答一下嗎請保障整個選舉過程的穩定是保護更多絕大部分選民的投票的權益非常贊成來我再請教你每逢公職人員選舉 |
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我國即產生近百分之二十一的返鄉人口造成舟車勞頓的社會成本降低民眾投票意願這對我國建區成熟的民主體制有損害開放不在籍投票是時勢所需符合國際潮流全球先進民主國家英美德法日韓八十多國已開放不在籍投票我國為華人地區民主制度典範英與國際潮流接軌你認不認同這句話 |
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我基本上這個方向是認同的但是後面一段就是說有關於實施的範圍以及實施的方式來來來我待會一天講實施範圍不要緊張啦你認同了嘛這是羅志正賴瑞隆吳啟明2016年的修法提案我就想要跟主委講一件事情 |
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我們中選會成立了40年民進黨執政也8年你幹中選會主委多久了?你幹中選會主委多久了?將近6年匆匆時光40年8年6年多少賴清德口中的青年學子就失去了參政權的權利啊憲政的權利只願你一句穩健你就要剝奪嗎? |
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合理對他們公平嗎102年105年都有相關的草案提出來沒有關係我告訴你我說過兩件事立法怠惰跟執行現在立法院終於不願意怠惰可是你就推給我說我要穩健 |
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那不就代表你沒有執行能力嗎我們為了推動不在籍投票所以我們把這個上一個上一屆沒有完成的這個草案審查我們在這一屆馬上就提出來你大聲告訴我你提出來的是我們選舉的不在籍投票還是公民投票的不在籍投票 |
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我很穩健的態度告訴我哪一個就是公民投票不佔據投票好沒關係這就是我想要請教你下一個問題 |
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我這邊直接公開表態啦我支持你啦我支持要通過公民投票不在籍投票謝謝秦委員大力但是跟選舉的不在籍投票根本不衝突我直接問你請問公投什麼時候下一次公投是什麼時候今年的8月應該到目前為止看案件進來的這個時程大概來不及了來不及明年呢明年吧明年吧明年吧 |
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那你跟我講明年現在來講你說時程來不及啊那你就跟我講一直是你的所以明年也不可能然後呢後年也沒有選我公投年大後年也不可能啊你的意思是這樣我們都做好準備包括電子聯署我們都做好準備主委你露餡了你知道嗎你露餡了你知道嗎你跟我講明年來不及啊我主委明年來不來得及公投 |
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要看他連署的進度啦你就跟我來不來得及嘛來不及你就騙大家嘛有空間啦有空間有空間謝謝你你有空間明年把公投的不在籍投票把它好好地做好有沒有信心如果有好不好信心請大院支持有信心你明年就累積經驗 |
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你2026年你難道不能就開始做明年2025年的經驗難道2026年的選舉不在即投票來實施嗎?為什麼你就沒有信心了?我就跟你講我們今天在野黨都已經提出不在即投票大院就是準備要往這方向走可是今天你身為中選會的主管機關主委 |
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我們很抱歉啦!所以我不可以這樣講啦!你真的沒有我們賴清德總統的同理心啦! |
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你想想看你學生時代你就講講賴清德講的一番我更希望我更在乎委員自己的意見我跟你講我跟立憲跟賴清德一樣啊賴清德這個意見就是我的意見啊我支持賴清德總統當選人啊可是我懷疑你沒有賴清德跟我的同理心啊今天只因為你今天虛擬的一個明年也不一定會不會做的公投的不在即你剛剛都講說盡量努力啦我相信你啦 |
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結果你要黨為我們後面2026、2028年的選舉的不在意投票 抱歉 我覺得你沒有同意心 以上好 謝謝我們羅志祥委員那下一位請我們陳培宜委員這次信好 謝謝主席 那有請主委好 請主委 |
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主委,今年在選舉前發生一些事情我相信主委您剛剛有說到有相關的案例也在整理了跟主委再次確定1月13號投票當天有部分的家長帶6歲以下的小孩進入投票所然後被一些工作人員選務人員還有駐警拒絕 |
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這個事件有非常非常多的案例目前我們收到的案例之前我們在記者會的時候說是17個可是我們相信絕對遠超過這17個那目前對於相關的辦法不知道主委您知不知道類似的新聞事件首先我必須要說明是有這方面的檢舉但是並沒有那麼多有些檢舉我們每一個案子都要進行調查事實上是跟事實有一些出入 |
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而同期少年福利權益保障法還有公職人員選舉罷免法裡面確實都有相關的規定但是主委您剛剛也說了相關的教育訓練是不是不足我們來陪您確認一下其實這一張投影片 |
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中選會2022年臉書粉絲專頁 |
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主委您覺得除了是相關教育訓練的不足到底我們還可以做哪些事情希望在後續的選舉不要再發生類似的事情主委您的看法是什麼 |
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不管怎麼樣這總是對於這個選務作業是大概沒有完全的掌握跟了解這個我們必須要去檢討的那對於各地方這麼多選務投開票所到底要怎麼樣可以落實相關教育訓練假設到下一次大選之前其實我們還有一些時間我們可能有將近兩年的時間主委您有什麼規劃跟看法第一個就是不斷的透過教育訓練來加強大家的印象這是第一個第二個 |
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我們會加強主任管理員對於選舉投開票所的這個管理要他必須要盡到責任提醒糾正現場一發現了馬上必須要禁止要糾正第三個對於還是再犯的這個實在是很不應該 |
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所謂的再犯指的是說所謂的再犯指的是同一個選務人員他可能在不不不就是整個選舉事務你不斷的發生你不斷的發生我們就是不斷的糾正你為什麼你還是沒有辦法做到呢這個當然在獎程的部分我們必須要檢討 |
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這個獎程的部分因為說實話其實一整天的工作其實相關的這個加班費也不是真的那麼多啦我想主委你也很清楚可是如果把這個懲罰條例放進來之後你真的覺得會不會就因此減少了選務人員參與的熱情跟可能性所以我們當然也支持有相對應的獎程可是我覺得更重要應該是主委您剛剛說的教育訓練辦法 |
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教育訓練到底有沒有落實每一個投開票所的主委他們到底怎麼看待這件事情我覺得這裡面很重要是牽扯到一般的大人到底怎麼看待小孩進入投開票所這件事情我覺得這個態度跟這個視角是不是可以主委請主委在這邊做更清楚的宣示因為我們也很好奇到底相關教育訓練課程內容是什麼相關手冊相關的教案到底是如何讓這邊選務人員清楚的真的有得到這個概念主委可不可以請您說明一下 |
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我們有這個選務工作人員執行業務的一個手冊這也是我們最主要的教育訓練的一個教材這個教材可以對外公開嗎這個在我們的網站上都可以找到那第二個為了淺顯易懂所以我們有這個動畫 |
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選務人員的教育訓練是單獨的舉辦但是我們選務單位都會派人去提供他們一些資訊 |
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所以這個部分中選會應該也很積極在進行嘛當然我知道是分開舉辦的啦可是有沒有很再一再強調因為我覺得這件事情一旦開始宣導而且我們也都知道嘛很多投票的限制如果可以把小孩帶進去沒有造成投開票所的困擾我覺得這個事情應該因為已經入法了嘛 |
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有幾個個案是溝通的問題我們的選務人員很熱心 |
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目前我們可能的辦法或是您的看法是什麼? |
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我們這個受理這個案子的地方選委會已經深切的檢討了是他們原來的確是有這麼一個規定是那後來他們也深切的檢討除了對當事人表示歉意之外我們相關的這個辦法的修正設施的補強這都做了以後不會再發生這個事所以除了這個案例的這個縣市之外其他的縣市也如同主委您說的通了補強或宣誓 |
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通用那這部分就是要拜託中選會持續把相關的教育訓練還有該補強的地方還有該宣示的部分我覺得讓各地的選委會都非常清楚的知道我們真的不希望在下一次大選的時候再看到這樣子對孩童或是對相關的候選人不友善 |
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請主委做明確宣示 |
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臨德虎臨德虎不在陳冠廷委員 |
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本期補充一下我們今天中午就不休息繼續處理好謝謝謝謝我們請主委好請主委 |
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委員好 主委好對 這個 剛才其實有很多委員都一直提到不在籍投票的部分是但是我們對於不在籍投票其實是有一些擔憂的因為在這一次的選戰後選戰後其實有很多過去我們行之有年的選舉模式但是反而會成為短影音上面不斷傳播說好像哪邊有問題那哪邊有些不信任感所以儘管行之有年的這種傳統投票方式 |
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包含開票其實台灣的開票的時間原則上在3個小時4個小時就大概都快要開完了所以這種狀況之下任何的沒有信任度的不在籍投票Joy你會不會有一些擔心 |
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其實臺灣的這個選制在國際間的評價是非常高的我剛剛也特別舉例了英國經濟學人周刊在2021年2023年兩次的全世界的這個民主指數的評比我們一次是第8名一次是第10名在亞洲兩次都是第一名其中有一個評比的指標就是選舉的程序我們是拿到10分兩次都拿到10分 |
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所以我們的選舉的制度是相當的穩健的需要國際高度的評價但是從歷次的選舉我先講一下我覺得您剛才說的沒錯沒有壞掉的東西就不要再去擅自更動因為這可能會導致性能度的降低所以過去這二三十年來從1996年我們首次民選到現在 |
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儘管有幾次是差距非常的小但是基本上我們的選舉都能夠在公平公正的這種狀況而且是透明的狀況之下來去進行那也得到了很多國際上面的肯定所以我還是認為說 |
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這種不在一起投票要經過全面性的討論不是只有我們這個立法院而已喔各種的公聽會各種的這種相關的平台都必須要全部展開得到共識之後才來做討論會比較完善一點特別是在中國地區我必須要再強調一下齁在中國地區我國國民在中國地區如果要用通訊投票如果要用電子投票 |
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在一個可以隨意干預公民隱私權的國家來做這件事情的話我覺得對我們的民主制度反而是一種傷害所以就算是不在即投票對於中國地區的部分我們更加要嚴謹我必須再次強調電子也好或者是透過郵件通訊也好中國都有辦法來進行干涉來進行控制所以這個部分我還是希望主委能夠 |
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針對這個部分來進行更完整的研究把這個研究報告呈現給國民告訴國民說為什麼在中國地區做這種事情的話有可能會被干預這個部分可不可以這個結束之後給我們一些相關的說明報告是的報告委員就是說我們絕對不抗拒所謂不再提投票因為它是保障人民的這個選舉權 |
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但是維持一個選舉的穩定這是一個國家民主建設的一個基礎選制的一個重大的變革千萬不要去動搖到這個根本所以我們是採取比較穩健的次第推動方式等到有共識之後再推行 |
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介線已經越來越模糊了所謂的境外借選 |
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選舉資訊混淆 |
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在這一次的選舉的時候當然我們看到就是除了是這種攻擊性的文宣這本來就是選戰的一部分再來就是混淆式的文宣看板跟步調這攻擊性的文宣我認為這是選舉的常態對於你的政策的不同意等等這本來就應該有但是 |
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現在我看到在上次的選舉中有一些被選舉人就是這個候選人他自己印製的投票建議單會故意把自己的圖像置入別的政黨的圖像意圖混淆你認為這樣合適嗎 |
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藝圖造成混淆．彼方說．彼方說．彼方說他是A大黨跟B大黨的這個黨首．黨首就是黨的主席 |
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來造成合成然後用大肆的來去宣傳來大肆的放入各個選民的信箱包含這一個除了電子信箱之外一般的信箱還有大型的這個廣告板旗幟那這是一個很重要的一個問題我必須要提到因為他們是要混淆的方式也就是說他不認識這一個人但是他看到說他跟另外一個黨的黨主席黨首放在一起他誣誣以為他被另外一個黨提名所以我們現在講的不是個案 |
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是通案那特別是許多不具政黨推薦的無黨籍候選人有常常這樣的狀況出現 |
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那當然我們遇到這樣的問題的話許多的會選就立刻來反映給選委會那選委會說那通知拆除但是問題是等你拆除完的時候選舉已經結束這樣的問題要怎麼處理我想這個相關的行政的規範形式的這個處罰都法治上應該都沒有問題所以如果有違反相關規定的話我們在接受到這個檢舉的時候我們就會立即來處理 |
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提出如何精進反應 |
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不是7天內處理不是3天內處理24小時還是幾個時限必須要給我們一個更清楚的一個方案我必須要再強調它是全面性的混淆不是單一選舉區是數個選舉區這是一個非常嚴肅的問題境外勢力也可以透過這樣的方式來去混淆我們的支持者叫違反他們意圖的投票混淆戰是非常重要的這個我希望主委能夠提出相關的檢討再次感謝 |
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檢討沒有問題但是有關於時效的部分恐怕透過司法的途徑會比較有效一點對 謝謝 |
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好謝謝我們陳冠廷委員的發言現在我們請林柱英林柱英林柱英委員不在那請我們下一位曾振銓曾振銓曾振銓好不在那我們下一位羅廷瑋 |
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羅廷偉羅廷偉委員不在那我們請張祺凱張祺凱委員好謝謝好謝謝主席有請中選會李志偉好請主委你好 |
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主委你好我今天要請教你這個關於總統副總統選舉霸年法條文這個條文我就不要練了你比我熟悉太多了來我們看一下這個條文廣播電視這個條文我不用特別練了我現在在請問的是 |
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這段時間的打算 總統的打算 電視台關於新聞報導跟政論節目 有做到公正跟公平嗎 有公正 有公平嗎 |
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我們是有接受到一些個案的檢舉或者是相關機關的移送但是這些移送的案子很重要的一點就是中選會管轄的部分只是在特定的時段裡面選舉公告發布之後到投票之前這段時間裡面才是我們管轄的範圍那很多案例是超出這個範圍所以我們就沒有辦法處理了 |
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那在這個範圍之內還是有一些檢舉有一些檢舉的個案我們瞭解的結果到目前為止還沒有裁罰的案子還沒有裁罰的案子還沒有裁罰是是我們是民眾黨跟這個黃國昌拒函在1月9號就拒函送到中選會跟NCC嘛那個會先給地方的選委會來進行調查 |
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地方選委會進行調查不是我抱歉 主委抱歉 不是第一件事喔現在說的 來我來看一下 來來我們看一下 主委我們看一下 來這是這邊打算的是呢 一月初三到一月初五 按時六點到八點新聞的統計齁 我們監看跟統計的兩個台 主委你這樣看得到嗎抱歉 太好了 |
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我簡單說一下,我們有一個叫活活台,一個叫打手台,我們先看一個,你可能比較好,我念不在聽有一個台,我們現在監看給統計的,一位妻子和妻子的暗示,他報導柯營配只有一則,這三天裡面只有一則負面的,然後呢,他賴 |
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賴清德跟蕭美琴賴蕭珮三則有正面的兩則負面的一則國民黨的胡柯珮八則全部都是正面的有違反我們的總統副總統選舉發言法嗎 |
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我跟委員報告齁這出力的程序上齁我們還是先交給這個相關的地方選委會來進行了解調查之後他會把他調查的結果再送回來給中選會中選會才去做審議 |
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臺北市選委會臺北市選委會到目前沒有回覆你這邊還沒有回覆給我們我看民眾黨 |
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去檢舉函是﹐送到NCC跟中選會是以為這夠捏今天已經三這個還必須要經過當事人陳述意見的這個程序所以時間會在我拖啦這個我們再追一下我們再追一下 再追一下好不好現在剩兩部分我本來是想問你今天如果沒有你差不多一天半兩天給我阿你現在說前陣子還有一個行程所以就是那你要幫我去 |
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很清楚,叫臺北選委會速度要快,包括當事人陳述的機會那我們看下一個問題,我知道選務人員是很辛苦的啦,我們這個選務機構,整個選務的辦理在國際上是有名的,可是 |
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這裡面至少我們看到有一些是比較明顯的你領票數跟總投票數不符還有沒有依照開票前就公告這個領票數還有整票再唱票沒有依照規定去主張去唱票的還有投開票手上報告報告表填寫輸入或者記錄不值連最離譜第6項有個炮鬼的底部竟然都沒有調風 |
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這有檢討過嗎?要怎麼報告?第一點就感謝整團有收集了大概28個個案分成6種行為太陽送給我們我們對於每一個個案都要求地方選委會一定要認真去調查調查結果再送給我們 |
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那大概有4個案子可能跟事實有一點出乎擔心這6種態樣的確是存在的啦所以這點我感謝各位黨團給我們的機構那我們針對這些選務的缺失都會虛心的檢討去提出精進的這個方案來希望這個選務的缺失能夠盡可能的不要發生我不敢說百分之百因為幾乎沒那麼大 |
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就是說我們有24萬的這個選務工作人員雖然我們一再的強調透過這個教育訓練透過加強這個選務的主任管理員他們的責任但是很遺憾的還是會有一些個案發生對啦選務人員這個辛苦這個辛苦然後數字是很高這個我們是肯定的我們知道這一直都是一個我也知道就是說這可能是比較少數這算是小吃啦這真的是一直都是我們選務上一個痛對對所以我現在就拜託你說你速度可能還是要快一點點啦 |
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謝謝張七開委員的資訊 |
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| transcript.whisperx[481].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[481].text |
楊瓊英委員主席 |
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不再期投票,憲法賦予人民的參政權,保障人民投票權是民主社會重中之重,也是我們民主政府首要的任務之一。 |
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方向一致,臺灣約有200萬人在異地工作或在外地求學需要不在籍投票的制度保障權力,降低投票成本且不在籍投票已經是民主的趨勢,包括美國、日本 |
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韓國、英國、德國、歐洲、馬來西亞、菲律賓、澳洲、紐西蘭都已經行之有年所以請教主委不再一起投票政府除了要推的我們大家有一個共識就是說公民投票移轉投票相關草案 |
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對於總統選舉以及其他公職人選舉不在一起投票的立場是什麼呢? |
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13477.091 |
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有關於總統副總統的選舉的部分在102年105年兩度都有草案提出來這個大院但是都沒有辦法完成立法的程序最主要的原因是因為對人的選舉比較牽涉到複雜的這個因素了所以大家沒有辦法達成共識 |
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委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任 |
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| transcript.whisperx[488].end |
13509.114 |
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對勢是什麼項目呢公民投票就公投嘛你首先要推的是公投嘛對人的部分呢是選舉我們希望對勢的公投我們累積一定的經驗之後再持續的來做檢討 |
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請教主委因為剛剛本席一開頭說我們大家都有共識這個方向這是人民的這個權利那你現在所謂的要先從事然後一段時間再來人他的差別是什麼呢我們有一定的考量第一個就是說任何選制的改革必須要考慮到政黨競爭候選人競爭的公平性 |
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不同的不在籍投票的方式可能大家考慮的面向不一主委你說明到這裡是疑慮蠻多的第二個必須要考慮到選舉過程的可信賴性因為不同的選舉的方式可能牽涉到透明度的問題 |
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| transcript.whisperx[491].end |
13560.084 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].text |
選務可行性選舉委員選舉票73票 |
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| transcript.whisperx[492].end |
13595.399 |
| transcript.whisperx[492].text |
有76張的選票當然增加選務的複雜度如果說再進一步的推動到地方公職人員選舉的話困難度更高了所以說必須要各個面向的考量大家能夠累積共識之外還要有實施的經驗推動會比較是穩健的 |
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13598.795 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].end |
13620.021 |
| transcript.whisperx[493].text |
主委如果以你現在我願意之所以給你那麼多的時間來說明也就是外界對於我們民主的牛部話非常的質疑人家其他國家都已經行之有年那為什麼我們會如此呢照你剛剛所說的你是困難重重啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].start |
13624.627 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].end |
13633.279 |
| transcript.whisperx[494].text |
美國、日本、甚至馬來西亞、菲律賓、澳洲都已經行之有年,他們為什麼不困難重重,我們為什麼會困難重重呢? |
| transcript.whisperx[495].start |
13635.157 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].end |
13649.503 |
| transcript.whisperx[495].text |
有沒有自己本身就已經人設的一個標準這樣子對我們的民主是真的不民主啊我們有三次啟動的這個機會但是很遺憾這三次的機會都讓他流失了102年105年還有110年都有相關的草案送進來 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].start |
13657.844 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].end |
13680.066 |
| transcript.whisperx[496].text |
主委你講這個有點矛盾欸你從102年開始你就推動到現在大家積極要執行之希望好好真正的去推動而不是只上作業的時候你反而告訴我們說是困難重重而且你的人設的部分包括了政黨等等那這樣子不是民主倒車嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].start |
13681.207 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].end |
13681.367 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].text |
委員會主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].start |
13696.528 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].end |
13699.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].text |
全國公民投票不在籍投票法的部分能夠跨出這個重要的一步 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].start |
13715.905 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].end |
13744.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[499].text |
早一天跨出來部長這個主委你談論到現在本身還是質疑重重因為你特別講到政黨問題那這個讓人家覺得蠻奇怪應該你是在規劃整個制度面的問題而不是你先花一個把你才要射箭啦競爭的多點也是選務非常重要的因素當然是如此啊那他國都可以為什麼我們不行呢這個是人民非常質疑的一點啊 |
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13746.498 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].end |
13746.538 |
| transcript.whisperx[500].text |
主席 |
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13751.616 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].end |
13767.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[501].text |
一個民主的權利應該是尚為人民信賴保護原則應該是這個是唯一第一個要考慮的嘛對不對整個社會都有一定的對話對啊當然是社會有一個對話但是你是主旗幟的單位啊那如果你已經設法在那裡那怎麼討論呢對不對所以應該是廣納不一樣的聲音進來嗎我們都有在聽是不是都有在聽好不好你們再去討論 |
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13776.943 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].end |
13777.343 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].text |
謝謝我們楊瓊英委員的致信好 謝謝主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].start |
13807.713 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].end |
13833.373 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].text |
樓民財委員．樓民財委員．樓民財委員不在張嘉靖委員．張嘉靖委員．張嘉靖委員不在林思敏委員．林思敏委員．林思敏委員不在林靜憲委員．林靜憲委員．林靜憲委員不在邱志偉委員．邱志偉委員．邱志偉委員不在黃國昌委員． |
| transcript.whisperx[504].start |
13838.645 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].end |
13839.545 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].text |
好謝謝請召喚好請出位 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].start |
13864.298 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].end |
13877.303 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].text |
委員好主委好請教一下公職委員在競選期間候選人他主要申報要負責的機關是哪個機關申報對公職委員的財產財產申報是向我們選務機關申報向選務機關申報那如果申報不實的話有誰處罰 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].start |
13884.965 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].end |
13886.326 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].text |
邀請中央選舉委員會主任委員會主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].start |
13904.807 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].end |
13910.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].text |
這個個案的情形是不是由我們受理的政風單位來做說明謝謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].start |
13933.202 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].end |
13950.686 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].text |
委員好那其實這個依據我們公職人員財產申報法的施行細則那目前他所指的不動產是指有權狀跟稅籍資料的土地跟建物所以你的意義是什麼他不要申報沒有關係是這樣嗎是這樣嗎目前的法規規定這個是沒有在申報的範圍之列 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].start |
13959.732 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].end |
13970.179 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].text |
為了包庇特定的政治人物曲寫法律的文藝按照你中選會今天在這邊的解釋我有財產喔我有資格喔我只要落體我不去做保存登記我不去做稅集登記我就可以不用申報是這樣嗎那個是不是財產那個有沒有財產價值 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].start |
13989.484 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].end |
13990.144 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].text |
我剛一開始你就用指引來的嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[511].start |
14013.206 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].end |
14025.998 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].text |
候選人的申報跟處罰是不是中選會的處理?我現在就是在挑戰你們的標準啊!今天中選會告訴大家的是沒有保存登記沒有收集登記雖然是財產雖然是購物雖然有財產價值就可以當申報我願不說這是中選會的立場嗎?你只要說是不是就好了 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].start |
14044.701 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].end |
14047.443 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].text |
我跟委員說明一下齁這個權責固然是由中選會來做處理但是相關的標準沒有了就來看標準來看一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].start |
14071.189 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].end |
14071.229 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].text |
有門牌號碼 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].start |
14103.117 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].end |
14115.202 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].text |
報告委員這個還是依照法規施行細則的規定所以你的意思是說 法務部門政署 要求所有候選人 將他們什麼填寫這個填寫的說明是錯的嘛 他應該要跟大家講啊沒有建屋保存登記 不用寫門牌號碼他上面寫的是什麼 沒有登記 要寫門牌號碼欸 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].start |
14129.943 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].end |
14133.473 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].text |
按照你們的理解法務部是不是教所有的候選人都教錯了 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].start |
14135.711 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].end |
14158.996 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].text |
按照你們今天的說明上面阿這個法務部連政署教所有候選人怎麼填寫的全部都寫錯了阿要回去徹底檢討反省阿不是嗎來我來看一下法務外登記應填寫門牌號碼並加註是沒有登記的件物如果沒有門牌號碼就寫什麼稅期號碼 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].start |
14161.548 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].end |
14189.116 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].text |
這個不是法務部廉政署你剛所講的標準的主管機關教大家的嗎這個上面是不是寫錯了按照中選會目前喔你們是執法機關喔按照執法機關的見解是不是寫錯了報告員他目前並沒有跟法規是一致的跟法規是一致來來來看一下沒有登記應填寫門牌號碼 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].start |
14192.631 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].end |
14221.611 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].text |
我有講錯嗎報告委員 我不敢說你講錯齁是不是讓我們政風單位能夠比較完整的說明一下可以 請說明他目前法規的規定就是說如果你沒有未登記建物的話是要填寫門牌號碼然後並加注如果是未登記建物的話也其實他最主要後面都應該要填寫他的稅籍號碼沒有嘛 剛剛主委要我給你時間說明嘛你不要挑戰大家中文閱讀的能力喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].start |
14222.432 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].end |
14236.429 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].text |
主委是大律師啊主委是大律師啊來看一下未登記應填寫門牌號碼並加注是未登記件物這個中文有這麼難理解嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].start |
14238.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].end |
14263.358 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].text |
這個專委有這麼難理解嗎報告委員可能這個之間執行單位跟他們業管的部分大家這個溝通是不是有一些哪一點出入我們再跟廉政署來做一個確認確認的結果我們再回覆給好不好拜託諸位去跟廉政署問清楚今天我們中華民國法務部廉政署的標準是什麼沒有登記 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].start |
14264.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].end |
14279.198 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].text |
賴著不去做稅籍登記即使是我的財產都不用申報臺灣啊臺灣啊我很贊同主委講的一句話臺灣的民主法治泥足珍貴作為一個法律人我只有一個要求 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].start |
14281.781 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].end |
14298.733 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].text |
貫徹法律的規範不要因人設事我們先來做確認現在先做論斷可能還不夠所以我們會把確認的結果再跟委員做個回覆我只問最後一個問題依照公職委員財產申報法的立法目的跟立法意旨主委您覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].start |
14301.038 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].end |
14323.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].text |
那個房子就在那邊喔有財產價值喔只要我不去做門牌登記我也不繳稅我也不申請稅籍號碼就可以不要申報這樣對嗎我頗頗了解就是說申報的財產還是有它一定的標準這個標準具體的是到哪一個範圍我不敢講我不敢講但是並不是所有的財產一定都要申報 |
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14325.165 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].end |
14334.007 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].text |
有這麼具體財產價值不在申報的範圍當中所以我們來做確認好不好我們再來做確認OK好謝謝好謝謝委員好謝謝我們黃國昌委員的執行那下一位我們蔡易宇蔡易宇委員蔡易宇委員不在林靜宇陳靜宇陳靜宇陳靜宇陳靜宇委員不在那 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].start |
14355.551 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].end |
14372.746 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].text |
登記發言委員．除不在場之外．其已經發言完畢．行達結束。．委員．麥玉珍．蘇巧慧．王洪威．林俊憲．所提的市面執行列入紀錄．刊登公報 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].start |
14374.805 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].end |
14386.247 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].text |
市面執行及未達行的部分請相關單位一周內以市面達戶並戶資本本會本路的會議到此結束現在散會謝謝 |