| IVOD_ID |
15707 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/15707 |
| 日期 |
2024-03-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-1-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期第4次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
立法院第11屆第1會期第4次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-03-08T08:29:59+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-03-08T17:33:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
09:03:01 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/8398b1826590a609b88f21514c82ced69b5fa2f296a935343be8d109af184be4479aa8675019af715ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-03-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第1會期第4次會議（事由：一、對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。
二、3月8日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。
三、3月12日下午1時50分至2時30分為處理臨時提案時間。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
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08:29:59 - 17:33:00 |
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報告院會在國是論壇之前向院會報告今天是三八婦女節我們請委員跟內閣閣員我們一起來掌聲來代表我們對全國婦女同胞的愛護跟支持好不好另外 |
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另外立法院會幫所有女性立委跟女性的閣員全部準備一束玫瑰花,等一下會送到。好,現在開始進行國是論壇,每位委員發言,三分鐘。請羅委員自強。 |
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國會插話王看誰是冠軍這個禮拜我進行了14場質詢也看了幾十場我們的行政官員對立法委員的質詢那我在這邊要公佈啊我看到插話最嚴重的前三名來看看他們的是怎麼樣的插話 |
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第三名陳建仁院長陳建仁院長的插話風格非常特別當立委在質詢的時候他會在旁邊一直講你外行你不科學你不正確你不專業就用不斷的用這種所謂的指責性的方式插話干擾立法委員的質詢但這不是最嚴重的 |
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第二名就是管碧玲主委管碧玲主委就是反反覆覆答非所問然後當然態度比較溫和所以他只能拿到第二名來大家猜猜看第一名是誰第一名就是我們的陸委會主委邱泰山邱泰山的阿爸在什麼地方 |
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他不斷的打斷、插話、干擾委員的質詢最糟糕的是他還說謊他還搬出不存在的立法院的議事規則跟立法委員職權行使法我在這邊要跟邱太三委員講啊憲法徵修條文第三條第二項第一款就明定 |
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立委有向行政院院長各部會首長質詢之權。憲法沒有規定你插話權。他竟然說我錯了。他說因為立法院質詢行使法規定可以疾問疾答所以他有三分之一的時間。我們的質詢時間五分鐘八分鐘要分他三分之一的時間讓他講。我就問我們的邱主委 |
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立法院職權行使法有哪一個條文規定你有誰三分鐘時間? |
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立法院職權行使法第18條規定 質詢是即問即答就是我問你你就要立刻答 我沒問你就不能答 質詢權不管是在民間在立法院在憲政上 質詢權就是為了賦予我們立法委員充分監督政府的職能 在邱太太口中竟然是要分三分之一時間給他 |
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謝謝羅委員志強。接下來請登記第二位,圖委員全級發言。 |
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重建家園確招牌付 航空城搬遷戶合估重建家園確招牌付 航空城搬遷戶合估韓院長 各位立委同仁 還有我們陳院長以及各部會首長 以及我們各位媒體朋友先進 大家早安 大家好 |
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自2009年國際機場園區發展條例通過以來,桃園航空城的都市計畫歷時15年,面積高達4,564公頃,區段徵收更是突破紀錄的達到3,148公頃,為我們中華民國史上區段徵收最大的開發案。 |
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航空城數萬戶的搬遷戶經過十多年的漫長等待直到近日終於等到安置接擴的權狀陸續到手重建家園還尚未開工砌上一磚一瓦不料卻成為老農津貼還有國民年金中老年基本保障年金的牌附對象 |
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本席認為,航空城搬遷戶為配合國家的重大建設與政策,被迫流離失所,因應期盼準備重建家園,卻因為名下不動產的變動而衍生資歷不符的情勢,最後失去原有勤領社會福利的資格,實難為合乎人情義理。 |
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本席由衷的希望我們行政院、農業部、衛福部以及勞動部等相關部會聽到桃園航空城搬遷戶的委屈與無奈並在下週3月11日的行政院航空城計畫專案推動小組的會議中認真審視類似處域下執行 |
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還付條款的正當性與合理性,讓航空城的拆遷戶多年來所受到的犧牲能夠得到最起碼的尊重與保障。謝謝。謝謝土委員全集的發言。接下來我們請登記第三位紅委員孟凱發言。 |
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主席、各位委員同仁今天是三八婦女節感謝剛剛非常暖心的韓國瑜院長率領我們所有的部會官員以及立法委員一起跟我們全國的婦女來致上最高的敬意孟凱也以國民黨團書記長的身份向所有全天下最偉大的女性致上最高的敬意感謝你們無怨無悔的為國家、家庭、社會付出我們一起努力 |
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但我們也要說三八婦女節我們希望婦女是真真正正的快樂。過去到現在這段時間又發生了社會上許多重要議題讓婦女真的沒有辦法快樂起來。尤其是物價上漲兩岸緊張以及現在食安風暴持續擴大。我們真的要問民進黨政府你們準備好了嗎? |
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時安風暴到現在越演越烈,尤其是蘇丹紅的事件。兩個禮拜前我們才記得行政院長在這邊做8年的時安總檢討報告的時候,當時書面報告寫的信誓旦旦,過去8年沒有發生過系統性的時安問題。 |
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兩個禮拜不到馬上被打臉。 衛福部長在委員會裡面親口證實了這個是系統性的問題。 那我們要問到底中間環節出了什麼差錯。 尤其是源頭管理現在沒有辦法做好。 更重要的是居然還推說是國人愛吃辣所以說很難禁止。 |
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拜託請了解一下蘇丹紅並不是辣他是食品添加物而且是非法添加物也因此現在現在沒有辦法來證實說到底我們的範圍多廣多大多深影響多全面 |
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政府部門真的螺絲鬆了再者另外一個部分萬物皆漲唯有薪水不漲尤其是現在4月蠢蠢欲動的電價也要調漲經濟部長也已經暗示了可能連這一次330度以下的民生優點會跟著漲我們要說電價在漲並不是每個家庭每個月多負擔幾十塊幾百塊就了事而是它是全面性的造成物價的上漲 |
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均不見彈價上漲的時候到現在彈價沒有辦法回去了就是最明顯的道理 |
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我們希望院長真的把國人心裡的話以及婦女的擔憂記在心裡。最後我要用30秒的時間也要再講一下昨天中華男竹有發表21號禮拜四世界盃亞洲區的資格賽對上吉爾吉斯居然不是在我們熟悉的臺北田地場的場地或是高雄的國家體育館而是居然 |
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選擇在男子足球場而且是下午4點鐘開打只有千人不到的觀眾席我們要問這明明是我們國家的主場為什麼會去安排一個禮拜四下午4點鐘上班時間還只有千人的觀眾席不讓我們球迷進來進場為球員加油嗎?無論如何主管機關難辭其咎 |
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謝謝紅委員孟凱的發言。接下來我們請登記第四位吳委員春晨發言。 |
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2636.525 |
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主席今天是婦女節祝天下的女性同胞婦女節快樂也向50年來的女性解放運動者致敬 |
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你們的努力改變了一半人口的宿命,讓數千年來以男尊女卑的文化徹底的改變,讓女性解開了層層的束縛,獲得自由、平等的地位,展現她們的才幹,為社會各個層面貢獻巨大的創造力、經濟力,並在政治上展現她們不讓虛美的實力。 |
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這麼偉大的成就來自一場女性解放運動。 在這裡我們也不忘向當代台灣女性主義的先鋒呂秀蓮前副總統表達敬意。 |
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2680.388 |
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2698.428 |
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現代時代的巨輪已經進入了高齡社會,戰後嬰兒潮都邁向高齡了。 這群龐大人口是史上未曾出現的新人種,具有高壽、高能力、高資產,跟過去的老人完全不同。 |
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2721.149 |
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明年臺灣正式進入了超高齡社會。2030年臺灣一半的人口超過50歲。2045年臺灣的一半人口超過60歲。但行政院主導的引法政策依然依循舊思維,讓整個高齡人生欠缺方向陷入了一片混亂。 |
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50年前老人占5%,軍命60幾歲。現在老人占20%,軍命80幾歲。請問現在政府的社福思維跟50年前有什麼不同? |
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本席認為沿用老人、銀髮族、勒林族等舊稱是一種文化的制約,應該給他們一個新的身份,叫做壯世代,否則錯誤的人設導致錯誤的生涯規劃,錯誤的社福政策導致錯誤的產業方向。 |
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2757.108 |
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2786.408 |
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本席呼籲各部會必須與壯世代觀點重新定義高齡者。壯世代有健康的第三人生,長達30年,掌握臺灣三分之二的財富,這麼大的市場,但是整個社會認知系統卻沒有新的想像。他們需要新市場、新思潮、新社會、新的生活方式。可惜銀髮產業一直沿用對待5%老弱病窮的態度來看待這一群掌握未來的壯世代。 |
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2787.128 |
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2813.172 |
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同樣是大時代的身份認同的變革,女性解放運動創造了女力崛起的光輝歷史,長壽社會來臨,我們也需要一場高齡解放運動,把原本是一場災難的引髮海嘯轉變為國家發展的動力。謝謝吳委員春晨的發言。接下來我們請登記第5號,林委員施民發言。 |
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2838.682 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
2847.609 |
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國家發生重大事故,全民要的是一個真相。 要的是一個公開、透明且能解決問題的處理方式。 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
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2856.589 |
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日前驚嚇漁船翻覆事件國民黨的立場很清楚就是支持海巡人員的執法 |
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| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
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但是沒有按照執法SOP及相關的缺失這些問題必須究責海巡署與海委會在相關事件上的失職必須被監督在我國海巡單位規定的執法流程很明確規定就是要有密錄器的使用與影像的保存一方面保全證據一方面也保護我們基層執法人員以釐清責任 |
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2887.057 |
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2900.868 |
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可是這一次卻發生這樣沒有執法影像的疏失,到現在還是有理說不清,而執政黨更是第一時間就抹紅在野黨,這樣的態度讓人覺得憤怒。 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
2903.88 |
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2916.253 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
過去立法院早已決議要讓海巡同仁購置足量的密錄器設備,結果在民進黨完全執政之下完全擺爛。 |
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後來行政院陳院長雖指示動用第二預備金2150萬購置3061具密錄器,但是過去所造成的錯誤誰該負責,現在竟然還可以大言不慚的撇清責任。 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
2937.592 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
2965.172 |
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為了繼續護航專業極度的不足海委會管碧玲主委就是明顯酬庸的主委民進黨黨團還能是非顛倒混淆視聽推說在野黨依法監督是違憲亂政根據憲政者治理設計立法委員對於行政權的監督是天經地義這是 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
2966.591 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
2982.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
內政委員會提案要行使調閱權的對象是行政院的海委會以及海巡署並不是法國部調閱是向海委會調閱相關事故的報告資料不是向地檢署 |
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2983.18 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
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立法院依憲法行使調閱權沒有違憲的問題。 民進黨的說法真的是魚目混珠。 真的是滴鍋到菜都非常的不適當。謝謝林委員施明的發言。 報告委員會,現在登記國是論壇發言的委員均已發言完畢。 謝謝大家,現在休息。 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
5413.926 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
5432.613 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
現在我們請祕書長報告出席人數。報告宴會出席委員74人已足法定人數。好,現在開會進行報告事項。請祕書長宣讀第一會期第三次會議意思錄。宣讀立法院第11屆第一會期第三次會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
5434.073 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
5436.437 |
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議事錄時間中華民國113年3月1日上午9時至9時33分時時至12時7分下午2時30分至5時19分3月5號 |
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5466.574 |
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三月5日上午9時3分至12時3分．下午2時30分至5時26分．地點本院議場出席委員、陳委員、昭芝等113人．列席官員、行政院院長陳建仁等40人．主席、院長韓國瑜．報告事項第一案宣讀本院第11屆第1會期第2次會議意思錄決定．確定 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
5470.814 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
5473.336 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
第2次22案、第2次4次81案、第8次3次104案、第109案、第110案、第114 |
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5480.699 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
5496.565 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
17案、第119案至132案均決定交互相關委員審查處理。第2、3案、第82案均決定退委程序委員會重新提出。第105至108案、第111至113案、第118案均決定另定其處理。第133案委員事處所提出報告案執行事項本院委員執行部分五件。 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
5528.575 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢．決定．下次會議繼續進行施政方針及施政報告之質詢．討論事項．第一案決議定定期處理．其他事項．一、本市會議事務層照原編擬議程草案通過．二、主席宣告一項．宣讀完畢。 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
5530.544 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
5556.784 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
報告院會,針對第一會期第三次會議一事錄,並無委員或黨團提出錯誤或遺漏之處,作以下之決定。第一會期第三次會議一事錄確定。現在我們宣讀第二案。第二案本院委員林千琦的21人離聚、學校午餐及營養促進條例草案請水案、小休園會見、聯席委員會教育及文化委員會審查,宣讀完畢。 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
5558.144 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
5576.527 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
報告委員會有無異議,無異議,通過。繼續,下一案。第三案,本院委員林倩琦的21人離聚,文化資產保存法第6條及第98條條為疏散草案請審案。陳勛委員會見,你請會交教育及文化委員會審查。宣布完畢。無異議,通過,下一案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
5577.216 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
5605.135 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
第四案,本院委員徐宇珍等22人離聚,老人福利法增令第22條之一條文草案請水案,採訊委員會見,你請會交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查。 宣傳完畢五議議通過下一案第五案,本院委員徐宇珍等22人離聚,就業保險法第11條條文修正草案請水案,採訊委員會見,你請會交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查。 宣傳完畢五議議通過下一案 |
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5605.694 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
5631.471 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
第六案,本院委員徐宇珍等二選人領去老年農民福利津貼專行條例第四條條維修正常案請水案。陳秀園會見,立即會交社會福利及物質環境經濟內政三委員會審查,宣讀外閉。無異議通過,下一案。第七案,本院委員徐宇珍等十七人領去臺灣內區道路地區人民關係條例第十七條條維修正常案請水案。陳秀園會見,立即會交內政委員會審查,宣讀外閉。 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
5634.386 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
5663.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
無異議通過下一案。第八案本院委員陳金輝等17人離聚總統副總統徐居邦免法第13條條維修政策案請誰案陳秀元會見立行院會長內政委會審查宣言完畢。無異議通過下一案。第九案本院委員劉許廷等18人離聚環境影響評估法第8條之一第9條及第12條條維修政策案請誰案陳秀元會見立行院會長社會福利及衛生環境委會審查宣言完畢。 |
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5664.108 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
5689.651 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
無異議通過下議案。第10案本月委員劉許廷等17日離聚使用牌照稅法第7條談文修正草案請審議案。程式委員會見議請會交財政委員會審查。宣讀完畢。無異議通過下議案。第11案本月委員劉許廷等18日離聚不在即投票法草案請審議案。程式委員會見議請會交內政委員會審查。宣讀完畢。無異議通過下議案。 |
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5690.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
5717.899 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].text |
第12案本院委員復婚期等33人離聚,國家通訊宣佈委員會組織法第4條條文修正草案請審議案,財修委員會見,立行會交司法及法律交通兩委員會審查,宣言完畢。無異議通過下一案第13案本院委員復婚期等33人離聚,花東快速公路建設特別條例草案請審議案,財修委員會見,立行會交交通委員會審查,宣言完畢。無異議通過下一案 |
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5718.442 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].end |
5744.287 |
| transcript.whisperx[57].text |
第14案本院委員復婚期等33人離聚全民健康保險法第10條條文修正草案請水案。陳秀元會見你請會加入社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查。宣讀完畢五議通過下一案第15案本院委員徐曉新等16人離聚中華民國刑法第339條及第339條之4條文修正草案請水案。陳秀元會見你請會加入司法及法制委員會審查。宣讀完畢 |
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5745.373 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].end |
5749.096 |
| transcript.whisperx[58].text |
五、二、通過下一案五、二、通過下一案五、二、通過下一案 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].start |
5774.966 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
5777.367 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].text |
五、一、通過下一案五、一、通過下一案五、一、通過下一案 |
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5804.124 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].end |
5827.922 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
第20案本院委員邱善軍的20人聯聚文明教育法第3條及第4條條文修正常情緒一案陳秀元會見立行會交教育及文化委員會審查。 宣讀完畢第21案本院委員副官企等52人聯聚立法院組織法第3條條文修正常情緒一案陳秀元會見立行會交司法及法律委員會審查。 宣讀完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].start |
5828.871 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
5856.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
無異議通過下一案。第二十二案本院委員副官期等五宣人聯聚立法院自宣行事法部分條文修正草原井水案陳秀揚會見李景輝交司法及法律委員會審查宣言完畢。無異議通過下一案第二十三案本院委員副官期等五宣人聯聚立法院自宣行事法第15條之一、第15條之二及第15條之四條文修正草原井水案陳秀揚會見李景輝交司法及法律委員會審查宣言完畢。 |
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5857.694 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
5872.437 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
無異議通過下議案。）第二十四案本院委員副官級等50人聯聚立法院職權限制法不分條文修正草案請申案陳修揚會見理情委員會交付司法及法律委員會審查宣讀完畢。）無異議通過下議案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
5872.981 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
5887.716 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
第二十五案本院委員復婚期等五十二年連續中華民國刑法增令第五章之一章明,第141條之一及第141條之二條文草案請選一案。 前衆委員會見,立行會交司法及法治委員會審查。 宣傳完畢 |
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5888.766 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
5891.448 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
五、一通過下一案五、一通過下一案五、一通過下一案 |
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5916.451 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
5918.953 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
五一通過下議案五一通過下議案五一通過下議案 |
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5945.868 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
5973.835 |
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第三十案本院委員翁曉琳的16人聯聚立法院職權刑事法第15條之一、第15條之二及第15條之四條維修正常案請選一案。陳秀元會見立行會交司法及法律委員會審查。 宣讀完畢五議議通過下議案第三十一案本院委員翁曉琳的18人聯聚總統、副總統、學習法、民法部分條維修正常案請選一案。陳秀元會見立行會交內政委員會審查。 宣讀完畢五議議通過下議案 |
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第三十二案本院委員翁曉琳等17人聯聚施民安全衛生管理法第22條條維修站草原侵水案財修委員會見立警會交生衛福利及衛生環境委員會審查。 宣讀完畢無異議通過下一案第三十三案本院委員徐曉琳等16人聯聚海岸局防法第13條條維修站草原侵水案財修委員會見立警會交內政委員會審查。 宣讀完畢 |
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五、一、通過下一案五、一、通過下一案五、一、通過下一案 |
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第三十六案,本院委員吳立華等16人聯聚,延伸動物保育法部分條文修正草案請水案,陳秀園會見,臨時委員會交經濟委員會審查,宣讀完畢。無異議通過下一案第三十七案,本院委員吳立華等16人聯聚,資商及取得原住民族或部落同意或參與條例草案請水案,陳秀園會見,臨時委員會交內政委員會審查,宣讀完畢。 |
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五、一、通過下一案五、一、通過下一案五、一、通過下一案 |
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第40議案．第40議案． |
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第42案（行政院行為修正推廣貿易基金收支保管及運用辦法部分條文﹐財修委員會見臨行外交經濟委員會﹐宣讀完畢無異議通過下一案﹐第43案（行政院行從112年7月至12月﹐中央政府營業基金3億元以上及非營業特種基金1億元以上補充預算或先行辦理數額表﹐財修委員會見臨行外交經濟交通外交及國防交易及文化思維委員會﹐宣讀完畢 |
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御異議通過下一案。御異議通過下一案 |
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五、一、通過下一案。）第45案,行政院海外修正公清污染防水精心收拾保管及運用辦法部分條文,陳述委員會見臨時委員會交社會福祉及衛生環境委員會,宣讀外閉。五、一、通過下一案。）第46案,內政部函宋消防財團法人適用財團法人法第21條第2項第3環制一定金額,陳述委員會見臨時委員會交內政委員會,宣讀外閉。 |
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無異議通過下一案。 |
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無異議通過下議案。第四十八日．內政部還為本月修正入出國際移民法部份條文通過附帶決議解送移民署應訂定資料管理利用辦法及有關蒐集與五年資料相關解封條件書面報告陳秀遠會見例請回交內政委員會。 宣讀完畢。無異議通過下議案。 |
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第49 海洋委員會行為指定從事由輸送行為之公司闖鎖名稱桌稱為從事由輸送行為之規模並修正廣告。財修委員會屆臨時會交內政委員會。 宣讀完畢五一議通過下一案。第五十二 內政部行為修正辦理政策性農業專案代管辦法部分條文及第24條附表22、附表23。財修委員會屆臨時會交經濟委員會。 宣讀完畢 |
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五一通過下一案五一通過下一案 |
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第52案 農業部委員會 行政院農業委員會 野生動物保育諮詢委員會 施政辦法 名稱修正為 農業部陸域野生動物保育諮詢委員會 施政辦法 並修正條文 陳書遠會見 理行會教經濟委員會 宣讀完畢 |
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無異議通過下一案無異議通過下一案 |
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無異議通過下議案 |
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五一通過下議案 |
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第五十六案 金融金融管理委員會還未修正,也好賣禮購資產,客戶適用是金融商品及服務管理辦法第五條及第七條條文,財修委員會屆臨時會交財政委員會。 宣讀完畢無異議通過下一案 |
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無異議通過下一案 |
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第58日金融監督管領委員會還未修正,金融監督管領委員會銀行舉出規審第五條基地包條條文,採訪委員會見,立行會交司法及法律財政兩委員會,宣讀完畢五一通過下議案第59日教育部還未修正國民小學及國民中學常態編班級分組學習準則,採訪委員會見,立行會交教育及文化委員會,宣讀完畢五一通過下議案 |
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第六十二（就一部海外修正職場實習縣市主管機關辦理特殊教育縣校評鑒辦法採修委員會見你請和教育界文化委員會宣讀完畢。無異議通過下一案。第六十一案（就一部海外修正特殊教育學生調整入學年齡及修業連線實施辦法採修委員會見你請和教育界文化委員會宣讀完畢。 |
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無異議通過下一案．第62案．交通部海維修陣航空氣登機規則第12條之一．第34條條文及第7條附件二．財修委員會見立行會交交通委員會．宣讀完畢無異議通過下一案．第63案．司法院海維修陣法院庭長臨時辦法提包條第9條及第10條條文．財修委員會見立行會交司法及法制委員會．宣讀完畢無異議通過下一案． |
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第64案,法務部衛修正法務部處規審第7條條文,財修委員會見立行和交司法及法治委員會,宣讀完畢。無異議,通過下一案。第65案,衛生福利部韓送公共113年,全民健康保險保險對象住院因自行負擔費用之最高金額並自113年1月1日申訴,財修委員會見立行和交社會福利及衛生環境委員會,宣讀完畢。無異議,通過下一案。 |
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第66案．第67案．無異議通過下案． |
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第60方案 衛生福利部海外修正中華民國輸送規定F-01、F-02貨品分類表及輸送規定508貨品分類號列表並自112年12月15日生效。 財修委員會見。 立行外交、社會福利及衛生環境委員會。 宣讀完畢第69案 環境部海總本院制定環境部組織法通過負擔決議。 第一項是辦理進行。 財修委員會見。 立行外交、司法及法制、社會福利及衛生環境委員會。 宣讀完畢 |
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五一通過下一案五一通過下一案五一通過下一案 |
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無異議通過下一案。 |
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第73案,環境部行為廢止排放管道中二氧化硫自動檢測方法,非分散性核瘟外光法、紫外光法、螢光法,案案一二一四一三點七五C,陳秀妍會見理情會交,社會福利及優先環境委員會。 宣讀完畢五一通過下一案第74案,環境部行為廢止,奚落果菜市場電動蔬果運輸車補助辦法,陳秀妍會見理情會交,社會福利及優先環境委員會。 宣讀完畢 |
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五、一、通過下一案五、一、通過下一案 |
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第七十六案 環境暮海送盤放管道中隱形安能會發行有機物檢測方法。 跡象採取局部依法NIEA-764.70B。 財修委員會見理事委員會交 社會福利及衛生環境委員會。 宣讀完畢無異議通過下一案 第七十七案 環境暮海送機動車輛行駛噪音量測方法影像輔助法NIEA-P211.81B。 財修委員會見理事委會交 社會福利及衛生環境委員會。 宣讀完畢 |
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無異議通過下議案。．第70班案．無異議通過下議案。 |
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第七审 環境衛生中介空氣中鼻息腥胺等有機化合物檢測方法一項採信率聯繫植物儀法NIA-813.12b求修委員會見理行委員會教育社會福利及衛生環境委員會 宣布完畢 |
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無異議通過下議案。第82 環境部行為廢止周介空其中比錫新安的有機化合物檢測方法 意向詮釋串聯式植物儀法 傳訊委員會 進行回交 社會福利事務 向環境委員會 宣告完畢 |
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無異議通過下一案。第八十議案環境環境委員會實施解量及管理法施行細則名稱修正為《氣候變遷因應法》施行細則並修正條文。陳修緣會見你請會交社會福利及衛生環境委員會。宣討完畢。報告院會本案國民黨團提議改交審查因此我們交社會福利及衛生環境委員會審查。無異議通過繼續下一案 |
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第82案（環境牧海維修生土壤及地下水污染轉資費收費頒發部分條文及第三條附表一）前庶委員會見你請回家翁省衛福地區衛生環境委員會）宣讀完畢五一通過下一案）第83案（環境牧海維修生人口分余備和人工作許可及管理頒發前庶委員會見你請回家翁省衛福地區衛生環境委員會）宣讀完畢五一通過下一案） |
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第84案 勞動部含送地方主管警官受理工作場所性騷擾事件申訴處理辦法。 採取委員會見,也請會交社會福利及外相環境委員會。 宣讀完畢。 無異議通過下一案。 |
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6790.971 |
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第85案 勞動部喊為修正外國人受聘僱 重申就業服務法 第46條 第一項提搬款 制定許一款規定工作之 轉換僱主或工作程序準則 第29條 第36條條文 及第13條附表1 第22條附表2 採訊委員會見 立請回交 社會福利及歐洲環境委員會 宣讀完畢 |
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6826.906 |
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五、一通過下一案。）第八十六案,外交部還從中華民國臺灣政府與瓜地馬拉共和國政府推動瓜地馬拉防災預警系統計劃合作協定中心委員本。陳修援會見,議請外交部加記國防委員會。 宣讀完畢。五、一通過下一案。）第八十七案,外交部還從中華民國臺灣政府與瓜地馬拉共和國政府基本合作協定中心委員本。陳修援會見,議請外交部加記國防委員會。 宣讀完畢。 |
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五一通過下議案五一通過下議案五一通過下議案 |
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報告委員會本案國民黨黨團提議改交審查,因此本案交外交及國防委員會審查。無異議通過下一案。第92國防部海外修正國防事務財團法人率領選考期間入辦法定時調查文,採訪委員會前您請回答國家及國防委員會。 宣傳完畢。無異議通過下一案。 |
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第九十一案,強污委員會,含為112年度永久居留權取得困難之國家或地區及其居留資格認定期準施行期間,已於中華民國112年12月31日屆滿單元廢止。 強污委員會屆臨行會長或交集國防委員會。 宣讀完畢 |
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6898.605 |
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無異議通過報告委員會第92案至第230案請依序宣讀其中第149案、158案、159案、161案、162案、177案、178案、179案、181案臺灣民眾黨黨團提議改交審查宣讀後以上 |
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提案均交相關委員會審查其餘的議案均照程序委員會意見通過請問院會有無異議無異議後宣讀後通過請宣讀 |
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第九二案﹚第11三案﹚外交部﹚第11四案﹚第127案﹚國軍退出官兵輔導委員會﹚第12班案﹚第136案﹚國家安全局﹚第137案﹚第147案﹚審計部﹚第14班案﹚第192案﹚財政部﹚第193案﹚第213案﹚勞動部﹚第214案﹚第230案﹚衛生福利部﹚韓文113年度中央政府總運算等預算決議﹚分別檢送相關報告﹚宣讀完畢 |
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發言委員會第231案及質詢事項請一併宣讀。宣讀後,第231案准予被查。請宣讀。第231案為本院委員吳宗憲選發會當選第11屆第一會期程序委員會召集委員。質詢事項,本院委員質詢部分,本院羅委員志強等向行政院提出質詢公報件。宣讀完畢。五一通過。 |
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報告委員會現在對行政院院長施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢。現在我們請黃委員建豪質詢。 |
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好,謝謝主席。那今天先請我們院長備詢。麻煩請陳院長備詢。黃委員早,國慶禮當選立委。謝謝院長,院長早。院長今天是這個國際三八婦女節,所以本席今天也贈送了在場的女性閣員一束花。 |
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並祝賀所有女性的國人、婦女同胞、婦女節快樂當然今天也是這個《性平三法》修正後全面施行的上路的首日昨天行政院在推行修法上也付出許多努力我昨天看到這個院長的一些影片所以待會院長我現在也要送你一束花感謝行政團隊在這個期間對於《性平三法》的付出 |
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這件事也要謝謝大院,大院很快的通過了《性平商法》,所以立法行政合作可以達到很好的目標。謝謝。 |
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我想這個回到主題今天還是談到今天竟然是信憑三法第一天上路首日所以談到信憑行政院當然是引導各部會在擬定政策計劃跟措施的時候都要來融入所謂的信憑的觀點那也要定期的進行相關的輔導考核那包含院長我也是你的這個粉絲我昨天看到你的網路平台上面有發布一支影片也提到說在信憑這議題上面公部門也應該作為表率 |
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在32個受評鑑的相關單位裡面各部會裡面有11個單位 |
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議員： |
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昨天影片上面真的提到說希望說我們公部門作為這個信憑三法的表率那院長看到這樣子的成績你有什麼樣的想法我想公部門確實應該作為民間機構的這個表率那這一個不列等的這一些我想我們要來了解它的原因但是我們一定會努力的 |
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來做好這個信評的這樣的業務,各個部會都要努力來加強。即使是優等以上的,我們也要再繼續精進。好,院長謝謝。我們期待信評三法上路之後,本來這些不列等的或是本來連續兩年一等的,明年再評鑑的時候,是不是能夠有個明確的改善?院長你們做得到嗎? |
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好,我們會來督促各個部會來加緊努力因為這是全國都要做的而且更重要的確實空部門應該作為事務部門的表率院長謝謝接下來我要跟院長來探討我們台中的捷運建設 |
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我們作為臺中選出來的區議員我們特別地重視臺中的捷運建設整體來說我們當然希望臺中的捷運能夠加速合併增加補助我們看到臺中捷運現在最重要的工程是藍線2014年第一次來送出這個可行性報告到今年1月終於來合併所謂的綜合股票報告中間歷時了將近10年的時間 |
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院長跟部長在這邊,我要在這邊先簡單的跟你們拜託,從書面審查,從第一階段的所謂的可敵性規劃到綜合規劃報告的核定,這個叫做書面審查。光是書面、文書來來往往,就將近10年的時間。 合定之後,院長之前在受訪的時候也講過,因為中央地方一起合作,這條捷運動工還要再10年。 |
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所以我們當然希望在10年真的等太久因為光前面的文書作業就將近了10年後面如果再蓋10年真的是10年後我想很多這個民眾也等都等不到他等了一輩子終於等到核定但是他還要再等10年如果中間又經歷過一些 |
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﹚議員 |
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事實上交通部送來是去年的4月18日 |
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您這邊也有嘛,所以我們...對啊,就經歷286天啊。對對,但是後來行政院來的時候,我們利用最短的時間內,中間有一些些疑慮啦,那也透過交通部跟市政府這邊有做了溝通討論,那釐清以後就很快的核定。好,那我就這樣講嘛,希望這個釐清的速度會快一點。 |
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因為既然交通部審查通過,我相信部長很專業,審查委員也專業,大家都很專業,送到行政院,如果經費上沒有太大問題,錢也夠,就趕快同意,趕快幹。我們請部長簡單再說一下。我想國會是在審查也提供一個很好的提醒,就是我們煞路鐵路高架跟他的關係。沒關係這段細節我知道,我們就不用再討論了。我們只拜託未來早點討論。專業考量。對,溝通了,市政府也 |
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臺中捷運看起來地方的負擔比例比較高,工程時間比較長。 |
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為什麼會這樣講?因為在交通部的這個業務報告裡面當初那一份紙本的文件裡面有12加6條,12加6條全國各地的捷運建設陸陸續續都在興建。那本席也看了那份報告,去多數的捷運的速度興建的期程相對的都相對比較快一點。 |
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那台中的這個結餘地方負擔比例比較高工程時間比較拉長當然這是牽涉到你們說這是各縣市的政府政府的財政財力不同所以有這樣的這個轉變但是我們來看到這個下一頁我們看到各地方政府的自償率跟非自償經費的補助比例表啊 |
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一級的財政是台北市二級的話台中跟新北桃園、台南、高雄屬於三級在這一份的財力分配表上面我們會覺得一件事情院長 |
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好像財政能力越好的地方政府得到的補助反而會比較少這會變相的有一種鼓勵大家財政上不用太積極反正中央會補助而如果積極的改善了我們地方的財政但是因為你相對經濟比較寬裕所以說中央在軌道建設上面在捷運建設上面的補助比較少那當然這個財政劃分的部分是依據這個 |
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地方制度法跟這個財政收支劃分法那這個財政收支劃分法跟地方制度法有一個落差地方制度法從這個民國88年以後到現在激勵了14次的修正14次那財政收支劃分法從民國88年到現在一次都沒有修所以依據這兩套法律定出來的分期的標準 |
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一句這樣法律定出來的分級標準一個法律已經變了14次了一個法律都還沒有修過今天部長我今天沒有要討論這個財政收支劃分法的這個整體的規劃這個以後我們再來跟討論我們今天先針對捷運的部分但是我要拜託院長是不是可能往這個方向來修正同不同意財政收支劃分法跟這個分級制度應該要有所調整 |
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我想財政化文化剛才您也提過那這個確實有討論過好多次但是都沒有通過那這裡面的原因很多那最近財政部已經訂出六項原則我想我們在做同盤的考慮 |
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不過在這裏我也要跟委員做報告,那個自償率的部分呢就是當時都已經是這樣定下來,那剛才你前一個表裏面這個臺中的負擔的比例比較高,實際上是自償的部分你也給他放在裏面,那自償本來就是這一個地方政府他會從這裏 |
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議員長,當然沒問題啦,如果說市場比例比較高,當然地方政府會需要負擔一些,但是我們提到是工程面,在第一階段工程面,像這個新建費我簡單說明一下, |
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臺中市我當過議員我們一年的財政的這個預算大概兩千億但是該條藍線當然他是分T4但是這占臺中市政府的這個這個比例蠻高的一年預算才兩千億該條捷運臺中市就要負擔一千多億我想這個對臺中市的財政的確是會有一定很大程度的困難但這個對中央政府啊我想這不是 |
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主席總書長 |
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有給他3億元的獎勵金,分3億,第一年1.5,第二年1億,第三年0.5,而且我們已經在撥款中,謝謝。好啦,主席長,謝謝啦,沒關係啦,3億實在是不太夠啦,我還是希望我們針對捷運建設本身,我們還是希望經費上能夠有比較明顯的這個增加來補貼,來補助這地方財政,我想台中的人口非常非常的多啊。 |
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對,因為報告委員如果有自償的部分,他就將來會有收入嘛,所以我們是為什麼鼓勵地方政府都開發自償的部分,所以在自償如果增加的話,我們補助也會提高,您剛剛有一個表,第二個表那邊就可以看到,所以我們也是鼓勵自償,那因為台中他的自償事實上他 |
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那接下來我們看到這個局限我想這個台中在下禮拜一要來巨蛋要來正式的來準備動工興建台中3月11即將動工那這個捷運局限2023年的9月14號也送進了這個可能性研究來報部審查 |
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我們想問的是院長還有我們部長如果3月11要動工那巨蛋蓋也需要時間那這個臺中捷運局線它也會經過相關的這個站體也會經過這個地方所以我們有沒有可能期待的是未來臺中在捷運局線上面它的審查能夠加速不要再像是我剛提到的當藍線送進去2014年出來2024年了 |
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我講可行性研究的過程如果路線規劃的合適那交通部當然會審查審查會比較快那如果審查有一些意見那當然會回去到市政府市政府也要趕快回覆所以這個是我你剛才講的很好就中央地方一定都要加緊程序 |
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如果地方有稍微嚴苛也會可行性也會比較長那這個部分我請交通部來說簡單說一下我們事實上9月14號我們在今年的1月23號已經把意見給台中市政府 |
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主要的意見就是說橘線跟藍線是共用系統,然後共用龍井機場,它的購軌有一點問題,怎麼轉到藍線這個部分,所以我們從技術上給他一些建議,那他送上來我們就按照行政程序趕快來審查。 |
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所以現在委員你可以請地方政府也趕快研議我們都會請啊,雙方那邊要研議加速,這邊也要拜託進入實質審查文件往返少一點,大家趕快見面談一談,把有爭議的地方趕快談完,有問題的地方 |
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技術面、工程面兩邊都有專家現場如果能夠把台灣趕快解決就不用公文往返這麼多事因為想過去不管是捷運藍線也好還是捷運綠線也好都是因為書面的往返公文上面有一些這個延宕所以大家各自有各自的意見各自有各自的專業當然這過去當作經驗未來我們希望這種往返公文往返的程序能夠少一點這也是民眾對於行政院對政府部門的期待對政府部門的效率的期待 |
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因為這個臺灣的公共工程為什麼做一條捷運或是做一條公共工程要拖這麼久就像我剛剛提到的如果光書面審查都要過10年我想這工程它是有硬體的限制沒辦法它可能真的要花點時間但是書面審查上面文字的來往 |
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﹚議員 |
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7925 |
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在這個媒體上面有兩種不同的說法一種是說這個捷運綠線延伸到這個大坑需要同步完成張東的擴大都市計畫的核定但後來又講說核定可行性研究後未來就是現在啦現在綜合規劃不會受到彰化段的影響所以如果審定就可以進行下一階段我想要在這個大院裡面來確定一件事情到底 |
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結綠線延伸大坑的部分有沒有要配合延伸到彰化的那個彰多都市企劃區還是以及兩段可以分開的同步的進行 |
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臺中市長 |
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規劃的情況,預計的情形是你上面的那一個。所以要等?對,基本上我們也希望彰化縣政府能夠加緊腳步,因為在整個綜合規劃的過程當中,如果前面那一段做好了,後面那一段沒有的話,那整個的介紹的經費等等規劃的情況,還有怎麼樣劃分那一個兩邊的捷運的經費, |
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院長我確認一下你的說法,所以你意思是說在現階段以捷運綠線延伸到大坑和彰化這兩段,他是要必須等待彰東都市計畫完成之後我才能夠進行綜合規劃嗎?不是不是,綜合規劃核定前要做完,綜合規劃就是現在大家都在做的,差不多就一年嘛。 |
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發言委員就是原則上因為可行性分析是整段合併所以原則上應該是整段的綜合規劃送上來我們來審但是也不排除必要的時候但是這個還是要審查是否可以把它切成兩段來做綜合審查在時程上面我們當然希望盡快的來審查這個相關的所以說我們也要來拜託總統管政部要考慮你去拜託我沒辦法再來 |
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8098.482 |
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來我們看到為什麼今天特別把捷運放在我這個重要的這個職區裡面我給大家看一下這個人口結構我想院長你根據你的這個財產申報你的這個住家應該是位在所謂中正區那在全台灣的人口比例上面我排除了前20名人口密度高的這個地區以行政區來劃分前20名不管在新北在高雄在台北 |
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這些都會區都是人口密集區。臺中在全國前20名人口密集區也佔了3個。但是什麼特點呢?就是前20名的其他城市它都有捷運建設。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
拜託院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].start |
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8151.669 |
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未來在這個施政上面雖然你一直強調說你5月19就要離職啦但是我想希望這個政策如同你講的行政院的工作不會停下來一棒接一棒所以未來行政院的政策上面在捷運政策上是不是能夠多照顧我們台中市不管經費上也好 |
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8152.09 |
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8153.511 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
我們落後很多啦,所以拜託好不好。 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].start |
8182.161 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].end |
8208.468 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
接下來有一個實事題要來請教一下我們院長這個現在我們這個健保費對不起不是健保費醫療的光耗費要漲電費要漲那我想三月的CPI指數也不是很好看那我想預計下週也要來召開所謂的物價的會議我想問一下院長會不會在520之前把該漲的全部漲一漲或者是院長能不能跟民眾跟國人來報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].start |
8209.628 |
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8222.84 |
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到底從現在開始到520之前還有什麼要漲要不要一次預告完讓這個市場上預期心理不要一直今天說要漲電價我先調一次改天說要漲掛號費我再調一次後天又說要漲別的價錢再調一次 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].start |
8226.206 |
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8231.349 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
五五零之前該漲會全部把它漲完那五五零之前還有什麼要漲? |
| transcript.whisperx[165].start |
8231.349 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].end |
8255.183 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
院長可以跟這邊大家報告一下我想這個括號會說是要漲不完全正確啦實際上這個部分正確啦因為衛福部他只是把上限拿開然後呢地方政府地方衛生局不必要做這個審查報備的工作但是呢現在有很多的五大的這個醫院的 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[166].end |
8275.435 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
應該 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].start |
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不會吧?應該不會還是不會?你講大宗物資在漲齁?大宗物資在漲,對啊。大宗物資跟著電價可能要漲,所以期待。所以我在問說會漲什麼?是不是一次? |
| transcript.whisperx[168].start |
8290.373 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].end |
8317.271 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].text |
先預告清楚,市場上也不會有這麼事情的外販運行。現在國際間大宗物資是在往下的,是在往下,所以國內不會漲。確定喔?確定確定,這是黃小玉、黃鄧小麥。主委長謝謝齁,謝謝承諾。所以520之前不會漲了齁?所以我剛才才說大宗物資好像不是這樣啦。好沒關係,院長這個我們數字我們再確認一下,但是我們要得到你一個確認是說520之前是不是不會再漲? |
| transcript.whisperx[169].start |
8318.452 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].end |
8336.489 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].text |
我想520之前電費的這一個部分確實需要經過...現在我就講除了電費跟像這個公安費即將解封之外嘛,現在民眾已經知道這兩件事情了,那還有什麼?還是沒有了?對,那如果是公營事業的這個部分,沒有。我不能夠保證私營的... |
| transcript.whisperx[170].start |
8338.362 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].end |
8366.121 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
像比如說外食費會不會漲這個我想我們不能夠保證但是以這個我們的公營事業部分應該電費是我們現在在考慮的唯一的項目。好院長謝謝那接下來要跟他討論很多民眾有關心的我們社會住宅的政策問題這個我想跟院長確認一個概念先進國家的低標社會住宅佔住宅整體存量應該達到15%這句話你認同嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[171].start |
8369.322 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
8392.889 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
我想要看那個國家的土地的價格還有房屋的價格。 那我國,我國就好,不管別人,我國。 我想以5%是應該算是基本啦。 好,那我們看到現在的這個存量,現在全國社會住宅新辦的進度,這是從來自於內政部股東產資訊中心的統計, |
| transcript.whisperx[172].start |
8394.249 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
8417.907 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
實際上現在可以入住的是大概3萬戶左右,29182,大約3萬戶左右,所以距離我想至於5%還是有一段這個落差。那當然過去的事情一樣,我的立場是過去的事情就算了,我們就是過去大家努力,但未來要繼續來合作。那我想從這個數字上來看,地方政府非常努力,中央政府有一點努力,但是還有一件事情, |
| transcript.whisperx[173].start |
8418.991 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].end |
8424.985 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
除了中央政府跟地方政府來興建社會住宅之外有一條路徑我不知道各位還記不記得 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].start |
8426.94 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].end |
8455.784 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
住宅法是在民國100年施行公佈其中有一條叫做民間興建社會住宅我想請問一下院長你知不知道說這13年了民間興建社會住宅的數量有多少?興建這個確實現在有民間興建社宅的這個部分那我們請內政部林部長來回答已經有一些很好的案例我有說興建喔我是在到處待管喔那個我跟委員來回覆民間興拜社會住宅的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].start |
8456.603 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].end |
8482.555 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
目前是沒有了。不過我要講的是說社會住宅其實最重要的一個困難是在土地的取得。目前我們政府在興建社會住宅的時候現在其實都是用公家的一個土地所以土地的取得是一個先決的一個條件。這一部分我們在去年的時候也跟比如說包括 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].start |
8483.395 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].end |
8484.319 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
有一些宗教團體或社會福利團體 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].start |
8488.424 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
8513.266 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
我們現在正主動積極的跟他們做聯繫,因為這個對象必須處理。謝謝,這些新聞上我也看到了,你們非常努力,我知道。我知道提醒說,除了公部門,不管中央地方之外,還有一條路徑叫做民間新辦。那怎麼樣鼓勵民間新辦,在各位在這個法令裡面,其中有一條我提醒大家,還有一個叫行政法人新辦社會住宅使用非公共土地,它可以獲得1.5倍容體獎勵,這或許就是一個方向。 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].start |
8515.888 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
8517.049 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
為什麼民間不願意改? |
| transcript.whisperx[179].start |
8517.049 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
8542.102 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
我想最明確的原因是他沒有誘因。沒有誘因我講坦白的公部門當然不用談論利潤不用談論這個利益的問題但是你要鼓勵民間興辦社會住宅住宅法裡面有這個相關的規定那要怎麼樣鼓勵民間興辦社會住宅如果今天行政法人有這樣子的榮基獎勵民間興辦你要給他多少的榮基獎勵你要給他多少的誘因我覺得這是接下來施政上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
8542.602 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
8543.182 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
這個當然是一條路徑,不過剛剛提到就是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].start |
8566.531 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
8568.412 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
政府都有在研議考慮相關土地資源的一個合理使用。 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].start |
8592.145 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
8608.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
好部長謝謝院長接下來還有別的題目時間不多了接下來這個想問一下院長還有跟我們在座的閣員有聽過這個故宮一百家的可以舉手一下嗎好都沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].start |
8615.541 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
8618.425 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
院長請問一下你有沒有帶手機在身上嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[184].start |
8618.425 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].end |
8630.841 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].text |
有。 院長我麻煩你可不可以搜尋一下Google100加這個幾個字。 這個我搜尋一下。 你搜尋看看。 那你搜尋的結果跟我的搜尋結果有沒有一樣? |
| transcript.whisperx[185].start |
8649.637 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
8672.246 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
收訊的結果是不是都是北京故宮為主?顯示故宮一百家是故宮一百是中國大陸G2003以後錄製的。好,院長謝謝,院長沒關係。我要提出來的原因是什麼?因為這個故宮一百家是明年我們台北故宮一百週年的活動系列活動的這個名稱。 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].start |
8673.755 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].end |
8699.776 |
| transcript.whisperx[186].text |
所以今年已經2024年了明年台北故宮要滿100週年但是如果一個100週年的大活動來講理論上來講現在的行銷宣傳應該開始了但是這個Google100家也是官方的名稱但到目前為止如果搜尋如果外國觀光客想要訂機票想要來了解台北故宮100週年的系列活動他用Google搜尋是找不到相關的紀錄的 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].start |
8701.861 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
8725.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[187].text |
我們提到我們來跟這個故宮也要顧相關的資料回覆我們裡面也提到說明年一百週年包含說要展出什麼宋版畫西文雅集那這個都是之前就展過了那也提到說要去這個法國跟捷克來參展但是我昨天看這個故宮昨天在質詢的時候抱歉 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].start |
8726.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].end |
8748.943 |
| transcript.whisperx[188].text |
昨天故宮在質詢的時候提到說這個去捷克參展是因為疫情的關係所以延後,那表示你等於在另外一個場合的回答,意思就是說這個跟100週年其實沒有明確的相關性。那故宮100週年理論上我們是應該吸引國人之外各國觀光客能夠來故宮來看所謂的故宮100年,有什麼樣的特展也好,有什麼樣的展品也好。 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].start |
8749.423 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].end |
8762.858 |
| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
但是我們卻把這個所謂的去法國參展去捷克參展當成故宮100周年的這個系列活動之一。那就讓人家開玩笑講說那是不是故宮要鼓勵大家法捷首選行程保覽故宮百年院。 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].start |
8764.216 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].end |
8792.866 |
| transcript.whisperx[190].text |
我想不是這樣。我想故宮跟世界上大的這些展示機構來合作實際上相當重要。比如說我們到日本去展示相關的故宮的這個古物以後,哇!很多的日客就會來到台灣。那到法國展出的時候也是一樣,因為我就有朋友從日本跟法國來。我想這也是其中的一部分,但是需要更大的加強。我想要強調的是例行性的去國外參展,我們非常支持。 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[191].end |
8811.792 |
| transcript.whisperx[191].text |
但是到底故宮100週年的展覽,就像我剛剛提到的,昨天我們故宮在答詢的時候提到這個節課其實不是針對100啊,它是剛好明年100年。所以我希望在規劃100週年的時候能夠更細緻一點,包含說我們的參展觀光人數啊,最高峰的時候有達到529萬人。 |
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8814.214 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].end |
8832.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[192].text |
去年是150多萬人,那你希望明年能夠達到250萬的觀光人口,來院人口,所以等於今年跟去年你要增加100萬,那這100萬到底哪來?我想這是非常嚴肅的話題,我們希望故宮100周年能夠把它辦好,可以嗎? |
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8833.682 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].end |
8858.384 |
| transcript.whisperx[193].text |
報告委員,我可以回答。報告委員,故宮100的話基本上是我在去年1月上任之後我開始規劃的。那這個部分的話就從管事、大司機。跟黃委員報告,因為時間關係可不可以請故宮博物院送相關書面資料給您好嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[194].start |
8859.892 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].end |
8863.274 |
| transcript.whisperx[194].text |
非常感謝黃委員建豪的質詢,也謝謝陳院長的答詢。接下來我們請登記第47號,沈委員發會質詢。 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].start |
8889.295 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].end |
8917.815 |
| transcript.whisperx[195].text |
好,院長我們請,是不是請這個陳院長麻煩再請陳院長備選首編早安陳院長早安齁這個我想齁今天早上齁我們這個台灣台股開盤過兩萬點是這是一個真的這是一個里程碑啦齁對台灣的股市來講是一個里程碑啦齁我想這個也是也這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].start |
8919.565 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].end |
8947.503 |
| transcript.whisperx[196].text |
我們從過去在馬英九總統時代就喊股市2萬點喊到現在我們到今天早上股市開盤終於破2萬點我們蔡總統從上任的時候股市8000點到今天能夠到開盤到2萬點當然對我們的股市來講當然是一個好消息在這個時候是不是院長對於這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].start |
8949.124 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].end |
8954.547 |
| transcript.whisperx[197].text |
委員您講得很對,實際上大家都在講股市是一個國家經濟最好的櫥窗所以我們現在股市進入了2萬點,確實在這8年來臺灣雖然面臨了很多的挑戰可是在COVID-19的時間因為我們2300萬人民大家很努力 |
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8974.238 |
| transcript.whisperx[198].end |
9000.72 |
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在政府的領導下做了很好的防疫的工作那一段時間我們的經濟既然是逆勢成長所以也使得台灣的經濟相當的不錯雖然去年有因為國際的趨勢的關係有稍微下降但是整體我們GDP都有大幅的成長而且更重要的稅入稅出盈餘也很多那也是我們全民大家的努力希望未來中央跟地方政府一起努力還有 |
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我們公部門跟私部門一起努力讓臺灣的經濟越來越好。謝謝院長當然我們做一個這個執政團隊我們在這個現在目前這樣子的股市榮景之下我們還是要更加的去注意這個經濟成長的成果能夠讓這個這個全民大家能夠共享能夠讓這樣子的這個所得分配能夠能夠這個 |
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注意這個抑制這個通貨膨脹跟這個評議物價的相關問題對,我們全力以赴但是這整個我想我所關注的在這個整個台灣股市的這個過程中比較關注的是說這個有關於外資的部分外資這個我這邊有做一個統計我們外資外資的這個淨匯入 |
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9077.707 |
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事實上從我這邊統計從2017年到去年到去到到甚至到今年的1月到今年的1月底除了這個這個2022年因為疫情開始的時候我們在這個這個外資持有這個股票的這個市值總市值有那個比例上面有有所降低的絕對只是一直一直提高了從86從86億美元到去年已經到294294億美元了這樣子成長了 |
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我們這個2022年之後也一直成長到今年1月已經將近快要回復到快要4成的比例了這個部分是是這個對台灣這個經濟來講這個外資事實上是看好台灣的經濟是看好台灣的經濟那我們這個台灣公司的這個這個今年其實在台灣這個亞洲公司治理協會這個ACGA的部分他評比台灣的這個公司治理能力 |
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我們臺灣今年也在越居到第三名就是跟新加坡並列第三名這僅次於這個澳洲跟日本那這個這個對我們來講我們要如何政府要如何在這樣的情況之下更進一步擴大吸引外資更大吸引更更更擴大吸引外國資金這是我所關注的部分尤其是我們這個 |
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9133.789 |
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我們黃竺偉現在正好在臺上黃竺偉在今年的這個團拜的時候提到說這個新春團拜的時候提到說在這個領域你要跑得比別人快你用那個愛麗絲夢遊仙境來講說要跑得比別人快快兩三倍才能超前別人 |
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9150.327 |
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你在那時候提出的這個五個發展的方向你特別提到就是說邁向國際推展台灣資本市場的成果重點是要接近主要國家增加跟外國資本市場的連結接近主要國家這個就是我今天大概要關注的焦點在接近主要國家的部分我想是不是請黃主委大概有什麼樣的接近主要國家的想法 |
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謝謝委員的指導我想大家都希望臺灣在資產管理上面在區域上有一席之地那所以過去這四年其實我們也在高端資產方面有一些成長現在銀行累計資產規模大概在9000億左右那我們現在因為賴副總統他在競選政見中有提到亞洲資產管理中心的概念所以在1月13號之後我有交代同仁 |
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從他的政見上面要積極去努力尤其是接近新加坡或是日本或是中東他一些資產管理中心的一些做法我們這個這個賴清德副總統他在政見裡面有提到說希望讓臺灣成為亞洲的資產管理中心資產管理中心那我就也提到接近主要國家主委也提到新加坡跟日本那我這裡 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].start |
9233.621 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].end |
9256.913 |
| transcript.whisperx[208].text |
特地就我們日本我看到這個日本這幾年來他們在於怎麼樣引進外資活化國內的資產增加這個經濟成長的動能的部分他們所做的做的一些方式我覺得頗值得借鏡在這裡也特別跟院長跟這個主委來分享這個日本他們這個金融廳他們有一個他們有一個上位的岸田首相提出這個上位的 |
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9257.892 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].end |
9283.865 |
| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
計劃是叫做新形式的資本主義他所提出來他有一個上位的計劃叫做資產運用立國實現計劃在這個資產運用立國實現計劃之下他大概整個最重要的他有很多種很多的做法那比較主要的跟我們這邊差別就是我們可以接近的包括他們有一個設置的一個次官級就是次長級的一個叫做金融國際審議官 |
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9286.465 |
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9313.434 |
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設立一個金融國際審議官之後在這個金融國際審議官他來成立一個行政法人叫做日本金融的日本金融廳的一個國際金融中心在這個金融廳下面在設這個一個金融市場准入辦公室一個financial market entrance office他就是讓專門在外資要進入的時候進入金融市場的時候他的一個一個核准的一個辦公室那這個辦公室呢 |
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9314.363 |
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9340.869 |
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他的有很多的作為主要大概在我整個把它整理大概就是最重要的一個就是一條龍單一窗口所有外資要進入日本他就單一窗口他不必跑很多的這個單位他就單一窗口另外一個跟台灣最大的差別是他們可以全英文他所有的公文申請的公文所有的流程他所有的都全英文 |
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9341.841 |
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9370.077 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
由我們政府來處理這個全英文的公文,不用他們外資要來這個日本之後,他們還要必須要透過文字的翻譯,透過把文件還要再做這個法令等這些,他們沒有,他們全部,第一個一個單一窗口,第二個就是全英文的審查。這些全英文的審查,他這個甚至不只是在你相關的行政機關,他包括各個工會,他們都要求各個工會就是直接用英文可以審查他們的這個外資。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[213].end |
9399.819 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
所以在這樣子的努力之下他們事實上從2021年他們金融廳來開始推動到現在他們有34個外資系統機構在日本設立據點那我們台灣呢我們從2019到現在大概只有3家來所以這部分是很值得借鏡這部分是不是請院長但這裡面有很多事實上要跨部會不只是我們金管會的部分這是不是先請院長就這個部分來 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].start |
9400.475 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
9402.798 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
我舉一個很簡單的回應,就是像科學園區會發展得很好,他就是One Stop Services |
| transcript.whisperx[215].start |
9416.454 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
9418.695 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].text |
包括資本市場雙語化還有便利外資投入都有很多做法 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].start |
9437.259 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].end |
9466.424 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
不過很謝謝委員提示這個日本的這個做法我們會立刻交辦同仁去研究那看有什麼方式可以強化這個部分我本來還可以再跟院長再進一步談不過院長剛剛提到這個科學園區這個接下來我想要想要這個跟院長討論這個我們看到這個我們說接近日本的經驗我們看到這次台積電台積電在熊本設廠他事實上在他 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].start |
9467.244 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
9493.181 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
不只是台積電在熊本社場,它帶動了整個這個熊本縣包括它周圍,周邊的這個熊本市、月資市、橘黛町、大津町等這些相關帶動在當地可以創造7000個就業機會創造4.3兆日元的財富這個是台積電在熊本社場我們所看到它對於這個日本熊本縣周邊所帶來的這個相關的效應 |
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9525.578 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
其實臺灣這幾年科學園區的設置我們也很希望說這樣子的我們科學園區的設置能夠帶動除了這個園區本身它也可以對周邊帶動這個相關的這些成長那這個我們也知道說我們這個有在2月22號我們有通過這個桃竹苗大細股推動方案桃竹苗大細股推動方案這個部分桃園跟新竹他們都有發展既定的基礎 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].start |
9526.513 |
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9544.494 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].text |
我特別關心就是我們桃竹苗的這個大矽谷推動方案裡面苗栗所扮演的角色苗栗所扮演的角色這個部分我希望說現在當然我們在現有的這個桃竹苗大矽谷的推動 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].start |
9546.718 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
9574.908 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
目前這個地方政府就我知道我們現在目前科學園區我們有竹南科學園區竹南跟那個銅鑼銅鑼兩個科學園區在這兩個科學園區之間現在大家對於桃竹苗苗栗對於這個桃竹苗的這個大矽谷的推動最關心的是是不是有可能在後龍再設一個科學園區因為後龍他的相關的條件包括他的這個交通他的交通的條件 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].start |
9575.418 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
9601.681 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
﹚議員﹚ |
| transcript.whisperx[222].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[222].end |
9628.677 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
竹南科學園區到這個這個銅鑼科學園區再加上厚隆科學園區把整個苗栗的這個這個產業經濟產值把它帶動起來這部分是能夠去那個吳主委我跟那個委員報告事實上那個上個月的那個院會通過行政院院會通過的這個桃竹苗大細股計畫裡面這苗栗就有包括在裡面 |
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| transcript.whisperx[223].end |
9629.817 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
事實上 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
9670.125 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
我看到我們其實整個桃竹苗大市一股的計畫相關的這些交通其實有相關配套的這些交通建設事實上都已經開始了都已經在做了都已經在做但是在這個科學園區的設置上面這個到目前這個一方面沒有定案另一方面這個可以說 |
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9672.861 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
9698.106 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
以我個人的了解目前苗栗的這些科學園區的設置確實在土地取得上面以及相關法令上面是厚隆設置科學園區是最是他的困難度可能是最低這部分我希望說我們行政院在未來這個整個這個納入這個我們桃竹苗大細股推動方案這能夠做一個審慎的評估全面的考量好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].start |
9699.881 |
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9714.986 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
院長是不是我想我們會來努力檢討協調包括國發會地方政府其實也扮演蠻重要的角色就是說因為苗栗縣政府這邊跟這個國科會這邊的科學研究管理局 |
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9715.566 |
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9742.376 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].text |
我想這個地方政府當然扮演一個重要的角色,那地方政府他的評估他一定是比較區域性的去評估,那我們中央政府一定是這個以整個桃竹苗矽谷計畫他整體的配置來下來考量,所以這個部分當然要協調,跟地方政府積極的協調,那我們自己本身我們在評估上面我們也要我們自己的看法好不好。院長謝謝,謝謝大家辛苦了。 |
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9749.489 |
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9754.634 |
| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
謝謝,非常感謝我們省委員發會的質詢,謝謝陳院長的備詢。接下來我們請登記第48號,我們柯委員智恩質詢。我們謝謝韓院長,我們是不是請我們的陳院長。好,再請陳院長備詢。 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].start |
9778.452 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].end |
9804.065 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
會員早安,恭喜你當選立委,而且祝你婦女節快樂。謝謝院長,我想今天在所有立法院裡面的女性都應該已經被祝福過也很快樂,但是還是要提醒我們還有很多廣大的婦女勞工朋友,他們不管在薪資,不管在勞動時數上面是需要我們政府共同來協助他們的,這是非常重要的。對,我們會全力以赴,讓婦女的工作條件還有工作環境都能夠改善。 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].start |
9804.485 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].end |
9833.462 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
是,那我想院長我們這蘇丹紅的事件可以說是蔓延全台的一發不可收拾還有前者所發生的禁獄事件家屬是哭著回去然後路方的代表也說後果自負這麼一連串的事情可是我們的蔡總統他除了接見外賓之外目前為止我們都沒有看到他跟社會對話也一直神隱我想請問3月5號談判破裂之後蔡總統還有你還有國安的高層有彼此對這一連串的事情做過一些討論嗎 |
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9834.403 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
9857.812 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].text |
有。我們一向府院都有很密切的在討論。那蔡總統講什麼?實際上我們很重要的就是對於這一個兩岸的溝通要繼續來加強。那這個金下水域這個事件,那我們當然要來支持我們海巡署的這個合法執法的這樣的過程。謝謝。那個院長最主要的原因是因為蔡總統沒關係那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].start |
9859.633 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
9887.282 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
關主委我現在目前為止還有邱主委目前為止還不需要有需要你們的話我會請你們上臺謝謝好我現在就跟院長做因為蔡總統都不跟我們對話我只好透過你來做一個傳話這個部分來說的話那顯然到目前為止整個事件看起來我只看到我們的國防部長每天就是嚇得要死每天是驚心膽跳的然後都睡不著我想不要誤解他的意思我了解但是他是很擔心這個態度是對的因為他擔心 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].start |
9888.402 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
9888.622 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
我只是要強調 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].start |
9914.761 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
9939.461 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].text |
目前為止我們G520還有74天的時間很多的人都已經做好不同的一個心態我想請問院長因為你是我們蔡總統的第一任副總統你同時也是最後一任的行政院長下台的身影要漂亮你覺得你為蔡總統留下什麼你又要交什麼給我們的新任總統我想我可以回答了嗎 |
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9940.399 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].end |
9940.659 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].text |
我現在想要 |
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9969.359 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
9969.599 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].start |
9990.546 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
10016.327 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
我剛特別問到因為我們要很具體的一個回應到底留給我們的這個新的賴總統會是什麼我們先來問一下請問過去蔡總統這樣子的執行的八年當中我們執行的幾項死刑你準備把多少死刑犯交給我們的新任總統我印象中是大概有執行過兩項兩次你在520之前還會再執行死刑嗎我想這個目前 |
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10018.435 |
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沒有這樣的規劃而且很多的這些死刑案您比我還清楚嘛現在都在等待這一個大法官的釋憲院長這就是問題所在我剛特別提到你要留給什麼為什麼執政8年卻要在4月23號才對於大法官的釋憲做出答辯而且在未來不管在7月或在9月大法官做完釋憲之後呢其實不管如何你留給了我們的 |
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新的我們的賴總統卻是一個非常大的一個難題這已經都是三審定讞了這些死刑犯大家不想死可是被害人也不想死這是司法正義但是呢你們卻不斷的配合一些的民間的團體他們不斷的透過視線再審等等之類的我想請問 |
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難道這些深層敵人你們是認為這些法官都是亂判嗎? |
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我們台灣的民意是八成八是認為支持還要執行死刑的。 我的重點在就是為什麼留下這些的攤子給我們的新任總統你送了他38個死刑犯給他。 |
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時間點的問題而且我要特別強調如果Face是民進黨的一張神主牌我覺得就勇敢的把它說出來 |
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不要以拖待變,然後把廢死的一些配套好好地把它完整出來,否則我說過你留給新政府是什麼?第一個你留給他的就是38位死刑犯,這是第一個。第二個我們再來看一下,能源的政策是非常多人,來我們的法務部長可以先請回去,等一下他會有機會。我們的能源的政策我還是要特別強調一下, |
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相關的執法各部會都有認真在訂定那有些的執法已經公佈有些還在進行當中應該是這樣 |
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所以是520之前有辦法把這些的修正的法案包括執法全部送到我們立法院來嗎? |
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這可以以事負責嗎?這個我要再盤點一下因為你問到執法這個太細了。經濟部的那個災生人員管理條例的執法我們最近就會趕快確定。所以你們在520之前我剛剛所條例的這些的項目當中到底有多少項可以送到我們立法院來做審? |
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這是一個對於你能源政策負責的一個表現。執法的部分是到立法院來做備案。那執法的部分我們最近最主要是屋頂太陽光墊的部分。是,我們非常關心有關於碳費收費的這些草案。那我要告訴大家就是說在520之前這些法案不送進來但是我們卻急著要來做電價的漲調。我覺得這部分是全民非常關切的。我先請問一下。 |
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目前來說我們當然知道這個臺電我們即使是在2023年虧損我們補了500億但是呢他還是預估有1985億的虧損而且今年預估可能還會再繼續還要再虧損1000多億是不是這樣子 |
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是,原因就是因為這個國際燃料價格上漲嘛,那如果你講到所謂的綠電,它在我們所有現在發電的比例不高,那所以呢如果我們要看電價的高低呢,實際上要看現在佔大部分的燃氣跟燃煤的比例。 |
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有有有來來我們院長我們馬上的這馬上就有臺電的這個財報來了我們馬上就可以來做一些檢討了而且我覺得院長你不但在強調很多的部分大家問他為什麼會虧損你特別提到的惡霧戰爭我要提醒院長去年7月的時候惡霧戰爭已經開打了不過你在同樣的地方你告訴我們可能預估不會漲價這是你去年7月所特別提到的那我們來看看我們臺電的這個財報好了這個購入的這個所謂的電價裡面當中的確院長你所提到的 |
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﹗ |
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你看看我們要達到這個配比不好意思2025我們所預定的50、30、20已經確定是跳票的因為我們的部長已經說2026年才有機會達到但是我們再來看看數據你看我們要如何達到這樣的配比即使已經跳票的2026來說的話我們的再生能源還要增加11%然後呢我們的燃煤要降低4我只想請問以這樣的配比來看的話以購入電力的價格來去看 |
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二、三、4、5、6、7、8、9、10、11、12、12、13、14、15、16、17、18、19、20、21、22、23、24、25、26、27、28、29、30、31、32、33、34、35、36、37、40、40、41、42、43、44、45、46、46、47、49、49、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、50、 |
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好,沒關係我們談到民間企業,我們就繼續來討論臺電的一個虧損的一個問題,我們來看一下,你看 |
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如果臺電的虧損問題我想請問一下因為我這跟臺電要資料他們說這是機密我不曉得機密在哪裡那目前為止我想請問院長你知不知道有關於我們要提到的這個離岸封店的這個問題目前中油投資40億然後臺電是67億超過合計才會100多億然後目前已經受到這個行政院同意這是事實吧 |
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投資我們的這些離岸風電的問題我們討論這個是經濟部這邊來決定那目前還在走程序那原則上我們會同意他來投資那好了那同意的話那很多的相關的官員還指出來我們投資風場內部的投資報酬力就是IRR是非常穩定的這也是一個事實吧你所得到訊息也是事實吧那如果是這麼樣的穩定的話那為什麼 |
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我們還要拉這個大費做到這個八大行會做信用擔保呢?這個一定需要齁,這個不是只有臺灣,所有國家在風場的建置的部分,他一定都會需要這個財團的部分。那如果說需要來做這樣的一個擔保的話,那我們來看看這個投資到底有沒有什麼一個必要性喔? |
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其實院長我在第9任就擔任立法院委員我在2018年的時候就特別提出來了在這個示範風這個示範風場得標的時候呢我就質疑為什麼我們要花了250億用的是日曆的末代的一個風機我還特別問到說如何保證未來20年當中這個可以保證還可以確保無誤結果現在風場蓋完了我們來檢視一下他到底得到一個什麼樣的結果好不好我們來檢視一下結果我要告訴院長因為我們都談到科學 |
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目前國外認為認為風機的可用率多到97%你才需要來下注投標這才是需要來做的保證的97%這是國外歐洲所有的部分都這樣可是我們現在目前為止的我不曉得為什麼都創新紀錄只有56%各位我們在過去兩年當中只有兩個月的時候才達到所謂的一些的標準大部分的時間來說我們風機的可用率是非常低的 |
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這麼低的狀況之下,我只能說這是一個事實,我們二次市場從來沒有達過97%的這樣的一個風機的可用率,然後為什麼我們是獨步全球的低,代表政府花了很多錢蓋了一堆不太能用的風機。委員的這個數據我回去確認,但是我的理解應該跟我的理解是有落差的,應該不是這樣子。 |
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沒有我的理解97%是國外的一個訊息但是過去兩年過去24個月當中的確沒有達到這麼樣的標準而且你說民間的一個用電我必須要提醒一下在我們的這個我們的這個風電裡面第三期當中不管是來自於不同的國家德國的德國的萊茵再生能源他要宣布退出臺灣還有呢我們的日商也評估不符合他們公司的投資報酬率 |
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還有更不要去講了丹麥最大的Don Energy他們也是在做很大的一個評估所以呢我只能說很多國的這個部分是紛紛退出而我們確實要如此的來來投資這麼大這個是我們要特別提到的有競爭然後有一些沒有進來所以你講的日商日商有一個日商他確實退出但是另外一個日商加進來所以這個在不同的國家他對不同的風場 |
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我請求,我要求臺電做出這樣子的一個資料,而且趁著這個時間點,請院長可以責成他們在一個月之內給我相關的資料,可以讓我們多一點了解,因為我們必須要搞清楚這些的源頭,因為這是一個能源最大的一個問題,我不希望一個大的錢坑要 |
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要我們這些八大行戶來一起跳火坑這是我質詢最大的一個重點沒有問題我們可以提供給委員讓委員了解因為這個能源的問題是牽涉到未來我們電價這都是完全環環相扣的所以我也不希望這能源的這些的問題留給我們的新任的總統還有一大堆的爛牌子不過這一個如果委員講中油台電這個投資案未來都是賣給民間的不是給台電賺夠都不是 |
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我可以回答一下嗎? |
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可以 |
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97%是國外認為他們在任何要投資的時候? |
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可以,我們就好好地用科學論述,但是我要的資料沒有要到,所以院長趁這個時間幫我要到資料來去做,這才是一個真正的我們來互相做一個打變。很好,在這個部分裡面,謝謝。我們接下來,下面一個,因為電費問題是大家非常重視的,下面一個我們來問一下,還是很多人關心的,這個詐騙的問題。欸院長,你有沒有看過,你曾經要送出很多人的書欸。 |
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您說您的臉也是被放上我們這個詐騙集團當中。 對啊,確實。對,不過您的運氣蠻好的。您都還沒有發生之前,我們刑事警察局已經幫您把它移除了,幫您打詐了。沒有,我想刑事警察局對於任何這個 |
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﹚廣告 |
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這個詐騙的技術歡誠出心但是我們打詐其實有蠻不錯的成果來來來院長沒關係你打造很多成果但是我們還是要發現問題我們來看看到底怎麼樣解決你不要說我昨天就接到一個詐騙在我的立法院他說我的電票沒有繳他說要來拆我的電表在立法院接到這個電話你相信嗎而且我問了所有的立法院的助理每個人都接過類似的一個詐騙電話我們來審視一下你看我相信政府有決心要來打詐但是到底成效怎麼樣 |
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蔡總統打擊詐欺犯罪中心蘇院長成立打詐國家隊打詐辦公室 |
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真的每個人都想打詐金額是越花越多然後打詐的技術是越來越高超這真的是生病生的所以到底這個打詐的成效到底如何你說有成效我們來解釋一下院長我還是提醒一下你認為說很有成效但是你要問你會提出數據但是人民的感受不是這個樣子喔你看你花了這麼多錢我現在幫你來整理一下打詐的人力就是不足嘛你看到嗎165的專心的基本是被打爆 |
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你們提到我們兩個層次來看,檢查的機關的人力目前為止還欠缺的670億就把你算的出來,而且打造中心的165,說實在的這個配備45個人而且一年接到43萬 |
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通的電話平均每天大概是1184通而且每人平均接的快100通的電話這個人力我們再看下面一個這個你花了這麼多的錢比過去更多的錢但是呢你放在這個所謂的人力的部分裡面只佔6點多大部分都放在設備跟儀器但是我們需要聽到親自的人在第一時間告訴我該怎麼辦可是你卻把整個的 |
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您現在看的是這一個 |
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我只是舉一個例子沒有問題沒有問題 |
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好那院長你就舉這個例子但是我只是強調這個重點就是你人類的配人力的配比包括我剛剛所提到的一個人每天要接到上前鋒的電話你已經爆掉165的人員已經爆掉了好不好還有還有院長我同意你啦我同意你就是說當我們有好的設備那我們的人力需要來禁用然後呢來加強然後讓用科技執法能夠來進行這個我們雙方來努力如果人力不足我們當然會來補充 |
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那什麼時候來補足?現在內政部長或法務部長都在你人力什麼時候補足?跟委員說明我們檢查人力需要檢察官助理那行政院去年已經給我們撥了100人今年還要撥150人所以我們會在人力的補充上能夠全力以赴來做好打詐的工作你的檢察官助理你的檢查單位裡面其實對你們是有非常多的 |
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不是,非常肯定,我們現在有增加的檢察官助理,成果非常好。檢察官助理的部分他們同樣沒有代替檢察官,他們只是在行政業務上面,畢竟他們還不是,所以他們只能在行政業務上面做一些擔擔。 |
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是,但是問題為止,你檢察官做得再好,但是我們人民還是覺得我們目前打仗還是非常的不利,而且有非常多的意見,這只要跟院長好好地反映一下。你所帶領的這些的團隊,你或許告訴我你做得很好,但是呢我們有太多的社會案件當中,人都抓回來了,你們還把他當作大內宣,結果呢一個人被放走,還被人家取消說你們根本就是拿了免費機票,這假密鎖。當然是這樣,這不是我主張的。因為他是一個通緝犯,我們當然一定要引渡回來。 |
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但是我們尊重司法獨立啦但是我們會來跟法院不用 |
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不用急,我們會來跟司法院溝通,然後好好的跟他來協調。但是呢,我們絕對希望這一個詐騙犯應該要得到應有的懲罰。 院長有非常多的一些案例,院長有非常多的案例,這些都是讓人民覺得非常的有膽。對,但是我們要尊重司法獨立。我當然知道你要尊重,但是你要把問題解決是最重要的。對,所以我們會協調溝通。 |
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對啊,所以好好跟司法院期待,不要檢警在那邊抓人,然後司法法官在放人。然後呢,雖然今年是龍年,但你不要那麼多恐龍法官好不好,院長,這很重要啊。這個我們同意,我們也會努力來。好啦,那你說你打造來說的話。我要跟司法院講一下,司法院最近也很努力地對於這個抓罪。大家都很努力,但是人民都沒什麼感覺。所以你看,這個時候我剛剛問你說要留下給我們這個新的總統是什麼,真的。 |
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這個詐騙的這個黑數也很多,你們所提出來這個詐騙的金額88億,還有很多的黑數,我還是強的。我們在去年齁,因為這個不法犯罪所得就查到了41億,而且呢攔阻詐騙的已經有攔阻了76億齁,所以就116億的 |
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你剛才講的是80億嘛,但是我﹖ |
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我想跟委員報告一下現在黑數比以前降低很多特別是我們165專線設了之後因為案件進來過去可能就像COVID-19一樣部長所謂的黑數就是查不到叫黑數你怎麼可以告訴我如何告訴我黑數是降低很多黑數就是看不到的數字啦那看不到數字你怎麼把它降低什麼改變很多 |
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委員跟你報告因為就像COVID-19一樣過去可能確診他不報可是因為現在有充分的管道165的話他不只是可以這個報案他現在還可以這個我們變成是一個大數據所以現在165的專線像你剛剛在講這個通宿增加但是通宿增加對我們處理打炸的事情是有幫助因為才可以在最短的時間裡面把最新的這種犯罪的手法去跟民眾來作宣 |
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我們沒有舉白旗啦。 我們很努力。 |
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有數位部,有。 |
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有有數位部有他是放在NCC之下面放在NCC下面的組織你去看他放在NCC下面我還幫院長你來看一下院長你不要這樣很無奈的微笑我告訴你我都是用科學數據來告訴你你看他是放在數位發展不是放在這個任務是配合NCC的組織條例下面他做了哪一些事情幫電商上課督促業者做這個檢測還有包括這些這個做些鼓勵還是上課這不是我們數位部的一個標準 |
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哎部長上來了是我可以回答嗎我們不只有協助NCC我們有協助金管會特別是在就組詐跟賭詐這兩件事資訊流跟金流上我們都全力來陪部長你他們把這個條文裡面四個大的部會都放在前面你是附屬在NCC下面的那不會覺得委屈嗎你那不會覺得大家因為你是數位部沒有辦法在打仗裡面發揮一個所謂一定能力把你放在NCC下面讓你被人委屈嗎我都替你委屈了 |
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委員我們這個整個的那個圖啊你不要用這個圖看啦這個圖是市詐、主詐、賭詐跟懲詐有不同的主責的單位但是我們數位部實際上是跟這四個部分都有重要的情形都有幫助 |
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事詐、賭詐、主詐跟懲詐都有關注的。 知道啦,數位部目前就是發生賭詐的部分。 我說實在的,當初我剛好唐部長自己上來了。 我說實在的,當初你上任的時候大家認為你是IT的一個天才。 然後現在大家對你4000萬的所謂出國的旅費等等之類的。 然後呢? |
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我只問你對唐鳳昨天一路下來他似乎已經從一個大家最大的亮眼的明星像變成淪為打詐 |
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我每一個部長、每一個部會的所長都做得不錯。 |
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部長 |
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議員長 |
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我們主責的遊戲點數也大幅下降這個案件 |
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我們主責第三方支付現在已經全面的來登錄所以我想這些都是在我們主責的範圍裡面我們來幫助當然我想大家期望我做更多的就是網路上面的廣告平台業等等那這個我們也願意來主責 |
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對大家期望你更多但是大家也給你這麼久的時間了所以你目前只剩下74天的時間了所以在這目前剩下的時間你是否該給我們的新任總統上任之前可以讓我們在場的所有每一個人可以給我們新任總統上任之前給我們一個更好的一個打仗看得出最大一個成效的部分否則你們剛剛所調的每一個事項對民眾來說的話其實感受度還是非常的低的 |
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其實我想在投資廣告上面大家所不希望看到的是同樣一個人他可以冒名成好幾個名人那這個部分就是我們已經送到現在已經一讀交交委會的電子簽章法要解決的問題所以也很希望大院能夠支持我們這個法案電子簽章我們沒有問題所以院長最後給你的一個時間當中我還是認為剩下74天時間可以做的事情非常的多所以我剛剛所調列出來的包括在死刑犯部分的在事件的這個部分裡面這個時間點本期是有意見的第二個 |
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有關於我剛所要求的在這個電機架台電裡面的虧損還有你所購入電力還有風場的部分也請你能夠呈現去給我還有最重要的是人民認為應該要來在打造層面當中應該做好的這樣的一個工作不要一天到晚都告訴我做的有多好多好你說很多地方已經下架但是人民的被詐騙我剛特別提出來了詐騙的比數很高黑數更高所以大家都是在比賽技術的層面如果人民沒有敢 |
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﹗ |
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對,所以我也一再的強調我們現在的整個內閣會繼續戰戰兢兢的做好福國立民的工作,然後在5月20能夠跟下一任的內閣能夠無縫的交接,然後把現在8年所做的這樣的一個好的成績能夠再繼續發揚光大,然後更能夠使得台灣更加的堅韌,更加的溫暖。 |
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你不用擔心,我都會好好跟他溝通,還有無縱皆悔。 |
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謝謝科學委員之恩的質詢。謝謝陳院長的備詢。接下來我們請登記第49號陳穎委員質詢。 |
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謝謝主席,麻煩請院長還有財政部還有原民會麻煩請院長備詢,也請財政部跟原民會兩位首長備詢。陳委員早,恭喜你當選連任,也祝你婦女節快樂。 |
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謝謝院長。那院長我今天要跟您討論的這個問題是我在這邊質詢的第三次了。那每一次的這個會期這個很短的總質詢的時間那我都要來拜託院長同一件事那您就會知道這件事有多麼的重要。 |
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政府在歸還原住民土地的政策上我們有不斷地在加速但是院長因為政府的規定它限制了原住民原保地的流通性導致我們的土地還給原住民之後我們原住民拿到這個土地卻只是空有土地而已因為銀行根本就不接受原保地作為擔保品 |
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原住民的長輩們在自己的兒女要成家立業的過程當中他們可能會想要買房子而且可能要創業在他們需要貸款的時候呢長輩想要幫幫自己的兒女喔那或者是年輕人自己很努力想要買房子但是土地拿到這個銀行的時候卻完全帶不到錢 |
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又例如說對剛剛有特別講到說因為年輕人買房子那可能在這個信用跟這個財力的評估上可能就是差那麼一點點的這個擔保品 |
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就可以順利把這個貸款貸下來了但是呢家裡長輩空著那一塊空有那一塊土地卻完全幫不上忙那也有些長輩因為這個部落的房子老舊了需要裝修那本來想說拿這個原保的地到這個銀行貸點錢來修繕但是這個原保的地到這個銀行貸不到錢那最後還要向這個兒女或者像親戚朋友求助 |
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或許原民會會回復說這個原民會有這個修繕補助啊但是這個修繕補助的這個經費其實是有限制的那名額上也是有限制的在這個元寶地受信貸款這件事我已經協調兩年我們一直都還在原地踏步沒有一個比較好的進展 |
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﹗ |
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發言委員：完整會議 |
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﹚議員﹚ |
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光是這個房屋貸款, 原民會就沒有辦法辦理了。 所以在我們沒有辦法, 就是後來也停止了, 沒有去推動這個原住民金庫或原住民銀行的這個前提之下, 所以我繼續又在努力, |
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原保地貸款成為這個有利的這個單保品的這件事我們又繼續的在討論當然我想我今天先把你們可能回復我的這個狀況我先講給你們聽啦例如說你們或許會講這個可以找農會但是事實上只有部分幾間少數的農會會接受原保地的貸款那大部分的農會他們是不會接受的 |
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再來還有一個你們可能會講說原住民還有我們還有這個原住民族這個除去互助社可以接受元寶地的貸款但事實上呢雖然這個互助社可以接受這個元寶地的這個受信貸款可是互助社他畢竟他不是一個金融機關所以可以貸款的項目其實僅僅 |
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此事限制在這個信用貸款的部分那如果說族人需要呃申請這個房貸的話互助社他是沒有辦法辦理的好所以這邊呃我們在這個 |
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我講了這麼多我們也討論了這麼久到現在還是自愛難行那原住民保留地在金融市場遇到什麼問題我想來想去我就只有想到一件事情而且它是事實最貼切的形容就是我們原住民保留地在金融市場它是被歧視的我只能這樣想 |
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原住民的壽信貸款這件事情在我最近一次的這個協調中有機會推動的模式就是由其中的一間公股銀行來承接而且我希望它是台銀由台銀來承接讓台銀在辦理所有的這個貸款業務上把這個有價值的元寶地作為債權確保的這個擔保品而且在這個元寶地 |
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建價之後的價值由原民會的綜合發展基金還有其他的信保基金共同來做保證。 |
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我們就差這樣臨門一腳也需要院長還有部長跟主委的支持那所以今天我在這邊再一次特別拜託那我也希望說這件事可以由這個財政部來主責然後讓原民會和信保基金來配合我不知道這個院長我們花了這麼多 |
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希望這次有善意的回應 |
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因為這件事情我曉得委員很用心也希望把這一個元寶地這個向銀行申請貸款這件事情能夠順利的來安排那謝謝委員幫我們很多的援助園鄉的同胞來做這樣的一個爭取那這件事情我也曉得我們財政部跟園民會已經有跟委員這邊在做溝通協調我是不是請他們再來報告一下很早的時間 |
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對來聽聽看有關原住民保留地要作為抵押貸款的事情那我想委員也很清楚第一個就是說因為他的承受者 |
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只限於原住民那所以他在流通上就限制而且銀行也沒有辦法取得假設說他實行抵押權的時候也沒辦法取得這個原保地的一個所有權那所以在擔保上事實上是比較難做的那因此呢我想委員一直努力希望剛剛委員也提到由綜合發展基金或者其他信用保證基金來做最後的一個受限的風險的話我想如果這個部分可以做 |
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那如果園民會這邊可以提出有關相關的保證諸月準則的時候那我們再來跟我們的公股銀行來進一步的一個評估那讓這個事情可以能夠往前推動那請問主委在園民會提出這樣的準則你們有沒有困難還是你有你也認為說朝這個方向你們是願意去配合的對剛委員報告的確在過去長期原住民是保留地因為他移轉是縣市原住民所以 |
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一道這個貸款的這個問題,我想這個部分我們未來會再跟我們的財政部還有公務銀行怎麼樣透過整個完成的配套,包括那個受信的整個專案的可行性做後續的處理。 |
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我很高興今天沒有提到我前面已經先講出的這些推卸的這個理由那我想也希望是我們可以把時間就是壓在三個月你們可以把這樣的一個方向這樣的一個準則把它我們可以在三個月內來提出來完成可以嗎?那我們努力努力我定三個月可以嗎? |
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接下來呢我想要討論的是這個族語的問題大家都很清楚母語如果斷了那我們文化也就滅了 |
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所以語言是文化的靈魂, 那這個我們語言對於文化的傳承是相當重要的。 在原住民族語言世維的這個年代裡, 我們通過了國家語言發展法以及原住民族語言發展法, 尤其特別是宜將主委在這個 |
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我想在這個推動語言的學習過程當中我們遇到很多的困難那其中一個很大的問題就是目前主委老師的師資嚴重不足那我們需要有一個強大的這個學習工具來學習因為像都會區的這個學校他很難找到主委老師 |
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就算找到這個族語老師了有可能布農族的學生找到的卻是阿美族的這個族語的老師所以這個語言的建制維護 |
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主語查詢的網站我們看一下叫做這個主語一樂園去年在選舉的時候我有提出了一項政見就是希望建置AI的主語學習系統那園民會目前已經進行了一個計畫就是這個主語AI翻譯計畫那未來系統完成建置之後呢它可以透過語言進行的翻譯但是我是覺得還不夠啦那我想在我進入接下來的質詢之前我先解釋一下這個名詞 |
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響鐘 |
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我想我們現在我覺得要把AI導入這個主語的學習那當然這個AI有分成深層式AI和分辨式AI那當然分辨式AI就是把這個現有的數據或內容中提取資訊協助判斷那這個深層式的AI是一種可以創造新的內容和想法的人工智慧包括創造對話故事影像視訊和音樂等等 |
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主委這個是我們現在大家在討論的生成式AI的語言學習系統那它所建置大量的語言資料庫之後呢可以透過電腦系統的判別與使用跟這個 對不起透過這個電腦系統的判別和這個使用者互相的這個對話不過我們現在看到的它是一個英文的對話 |
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來看一下我們原住民我們原住民目前法定有16族那總共有42種的語別語料的搜集跟這個建制上當然是相對的複雜跟麻煩目前原語會進行的這個建制的這個語音翻譯的功能跟這個英文的這個學習工具的發展上技術上我們其實還是落後非常多的 |
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所以我希望可以推動深層式AI的這個主語學習的對話系統那它可以協助我們學習主語過程當中的聽跟說這樣的系統那減輕大家的這個學習的這個壓力而且我 |
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特別是如果像現在很多家中是沒有這個會講族語的這個長輩沒有那個環境那學校又請不到這個學生所需要的這個族語的 |
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主別的這個主語的老師我們都可以透過這一套系統來解決而且這樣的學習人手一機的話不分年齡不分地點都可以來學習這個主語那也可以做一個永久的記錄所以甚至我們原住民的長者到醫院的時候這一套系統 |
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所以我想今天提出這樣的建議不知道各位 |
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我覺得這是很創新的想法,而且也有它的可行性。那現在在聖城市AI的這個部分,國科會也有相當的積極在推動。我是不是請吳主委簡單的回應一下,讓我們一向主委聽聽看,然後也許兩邊可以合作。 |
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好,謝謝那個委員的這個提醒。事實上這個聖城市人工智慧對於各種語言的這個認識應該是有它的特點。那事實上從去年開始在院長的支持之下我們已經做了一個台德,我們叫可信任的人工智慧對話引擎。 |
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他可以寫文章可以翻譯whatever那事實上原民會在人工智慧這邊應用剛剛這個委員有提到事實上我們已經有在做翻譯那未來事實上我們這個我們叫台德這個引擎在4月應該會公開那我們國科會這邊也會來協助這個原民會這邊事實上那個引擎是一個basic |
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那如果要用到雲民這邊的話我們可以持續來在上面再做一些訓練應該就可以用那我想國科會跟這個圓明會會來配合首先謝謝委員對圓明會過去推動族裔的成果的肯定那的確目前圓明會推動的是分辨式的這個AI的這個部分的整個推動那未來呢我們會跟我們國科會的針對 |
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謝謝陳盈委員的質詢,謝謝陳院長的備詢。 |
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報告院會上午質詢到此為止,下午2時30分繼續開會,進行質詢。現在休息。 |
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報告院會現在繼續開會進行質詢。接下來我們請楊委員、瓊英質詢。 |
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謝謝親愛的韓院長以及我們陳院長所領軍的行政院團隊楊瓊怡發言首先來祝賀我們今天是3月8號婦女節祝我們所有全國的女性大家天天快樂那首先來請我們的陳院長麻煩請陳院長備詢以及國防部長 |
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老闆請國防部恭喜你當選連任也祝你婦女節快樂好謝謝院長來國防部長邱部長他昨天在備詢的時候他說明了第一集是指開炮開槍但是我們現在已經改變但是部長你昨天也說了他說你說兩岸瀕臨動武情勢嚴峻擔心到睡不著 |
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委員長,這個說法你認同嗎?好緊張欸。我想國防部長有國有民,這是我們國人的福氣啦。但是國防部長他一定要日理萬機,所以他對於這個兩岸的發展當然很關心。但是我們會努力來維持台海現況的和平,然後呢 |
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謝謝院長你的回答因為對於邱部長我是非常的尊敬而且呢我本時要請教提出了這樣的論點請問請問院長你也認同這樣的論點照你剛才所說的那你有跟蔡總統跟賴準總統報告他們是不是有認同這樣的一個說法 |
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我想我們每一個人都希望臺海能夠維持和平穩定,那國防部這邊我請部長回答你有跟蔡英文總統報告嗎?你有跟賴準總統報告嗎?我跟委員報告,第一個所謂第一期的界定剛剛委員講的,以往是認為開槍開炮才叫第一期,我們才反擊 |
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現在因為我們發覺有無人機的問題,空飄氣球,灰色地帶,而且有灰色事件。在第一期的定義我們不一樣了,所以你會緊張得不得了,所以睡不著,所以請教你有跟蔡總統以及賴準總統報告嗎? |
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國防戰備規定是國防部來核定的,但是核定之前我們一定要做一個在這個狀況推演當中我會跟總統做個說明,所以總統是三軍統帥,第一期雖然我下命,但我一定會給他請示。 |
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您給蔡英文總統說明了,有給賴準總統報告了嗎?說明嗎?有沒有說明?給蔡英文總統說明了,有給賴準總統說明了嗎? |
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對,報告了嗎?請問報告了嗎?這講過 |
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蔡英文總統也講過了蔡英文總統報告了我本席也建議因為賴準總統即將要上任他也應該要了解情勢接下來本席要請教我們的反制計畫以前以往的政府曾經有過說我有了因為台海危機的時候他說我有了十幾種版本請教部長我們的反制計畫有沒有準備 |
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國軍那邊經常在處理的規定也有依據,應急作戰也有計劃,還有全面作戰也是有計劃,一定有計劃因為我們必須要聽到政府部長你告訴我們讓我們安心,要不然你睡不著我們更緊張啊,所以12海浬如果往內延伸那12海浬我睡不著因為我的責任所在,我一定很擔憂 |
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我擔心原因在哪裡,我想說我把這個掌握好,以便讓我們的民間能夠安心。我們希望這樣子,不要搞大家沸沸揚揚。所以您的擔心是讓我們放心。就這樣講。就這樣講,你認同。好不容易我們有共同點,所以本席也要再請教。就是說目前我們這12海里的話呢,如果往內海再延伸,那等於臨界線快到。 |
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沒有什麼延伸的了,就是說那一海就是12海裏,這沒有辦法再縮進來,最後防線最後防線,二十海裏我們就要反應了。 |
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所以我們希望人民希望能夠安心那我也也也也謝謝你你的憂心等於是讓人民放心因為人民希望要和平兩岸和平這是人民的需要這不用感情這是我們的責任接下來我們好部長你請回我們再來請唐鳳部長 |
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委員長,我們數位部從111年的8月份成立,到現在大概一年半的時間。 是。那麼很多人在質疑你的成效,我們也不願意質疑,我們希望看到有成效。但是呢,在這裡我們要請問,現在數位部的辦公室打算預計是怎麼回事呢?現在我們是用租的嘛,是不是? |
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跟委員報告,我們是有一個辦公室是租的,然後一個是我們自己的。我們自己的在延平,然後租的是在行政院附近。在行政院附近一定要多少租金啊? |
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大概5年之後會到行政院旁邊的行一行二的這個地方,變成一個永久的地方。現在你現在這個租金是多少錢?在前一年半應該是大概7000萬左右。一年半還是一年?因為前一年半。你是先一年半7000萬是不是?還是一年7000萬?因為我們是從那個2022年。一年半7000萬,是嗎? |
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一年半不是一年一年半七千萬那接下來有人在質疑您要中央的國有財產書把那個南門中紀市場的用地要收回 |
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我們1月就已經確定沒有這件事,因為臺北市政府已經不要了嘛,不使用了,所以就...而且我們也不是到華光,我們是到行政院旁邊的行一行二。1.7億蓋的南門中紀市場拆除,花,這個1.7億現在拆除,那傳聞是因為部長您要這一塊土地自己來蓋大樓,有沒有這回事? |
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但是臺北市政府不用我回答嗎?有沒有這回事請教?你有沒有要這一塊地?你沒有要這一塊地?那為什麼會有公文說你要這一塊地?而且臺北市政府數次給國有財產訴說讓我們延續繼續不要拆掉我們1.7億所蓋的中紀市場,南美市場呢? |
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在去年的時候國有財產署確實有來調查我們的意願,但是調查完之後到今年1月我們已經受到行政院的一個很明確的指示說我們不是去滑光而是到行政院。 行政院的指示本席是要請教你有沒有要這一塊地。 |
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為什麼要拆掉這個市場呢? |
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對,這台北市政府不要...所以我們本來喔,本來台北市政府在上次上個會期的時候...謝謝院長,部長你上來你是不是要說明?現在唐鳳部長說是你們問他們,那他說你給什麼地他就要什麼地,但是外界傳聞本席不希望有任何的矛盾點,他說... |
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他是如此說但是外界不是是說唐鳳部長要求我要這塊地所以你要拆掉這個市場有沒有這回事跟委員報告那一塊土地是國有的土地然後是出租給臺北市我沒有這回事請做說明出租給臺北市那他作為南門市場的中繼市場那現在南門市場已經蓋完了他已經蓋完了那是不是要搬回去了 |
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那這塊土地本來當時就是臺北市政府跟國有財產署租的嘛那租期也滿了他不要用的時候就當然要申請延續你們不准沒有他本來有上次這個 |
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林長佐委員有在這裏大院這裏提到說希望他們能夠作為東門市場的中繼市場因為東門市場要整修後來他們沒有這個想法說不他們自己不要他們就自動把土地還給我們所以這個我覺得好奇怪的議題本席一直在強調你說好奇怪我也覺得好奇怪所以本席一直認為說我們不希望社會有矛盾點大家說明清楚 |
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我 我想 |
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行一行二是一個聯合的就是很多個部會一起使用的地方那我們一向跟國產署都是說我們現在是租新光那國產署任何時候指定給我們說我們去哪裡我們就不用再租新光我們一直是這個例子沒有說指定要去哪裡因為他現在租約是這個一年半 |
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你一年半後會給他新的大樓嗎?不是新的大樓,是那塊土地,因為行一行二是整個我們在國有土地區那塊要蓋到什麼時候呢?他是行政區適合蓋辦公大樓,然後調配他沒有自有辦公廳設的機關去那邊蓋。好,所以院長,那這一塊地要多久時間可以給數位部自己的辦公大樓呢? |
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數位部的報告,剛才已經講得很清楚,就是行政院會做通盤的考量,那如果行政...什麼時候呢?因為他現在租啊,他現在租一年半要7000萬啊。沒有,啊如果...什麼時候?如果這個來不及的話,那就必須要租用嘛,這個我們要看我們通盤的規劃,因為不是只有給數位部啦。沒關係,現在我們討論,你是要繼續一直住下去,還是希望你自己有大樓? |
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我剛才有說了,任何時候國有財產署告訴我們說有哪個地方我們可以去,我們就那個時候就會再提出來。好,那院長他什麼時候可以去?那就要看我剛才講過啦,就是行一行二的那個大樓啊。什麼時候呢?有沒有一個時間點?有在規劃。有在規劃。有在規劃,要規劃多久?這個要看規劃的時間。議員是要7年,會嗎?多久?7年會嗎?不會啦。那要幾年?我想這個要看規劃的時間。規劃時間沒有7年要幾年? |
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院長,本期要跟你討論一個HPV疫苗的問題。 |
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因為孩子是我們的寶貝,您是公衛專家,我給你稱一個讚。您是第一位說HPV疫苗的公衛專家,您說了,您是第一位呼籲要男女共同一起,不要做半套。我們本鄉好不容易,因為現在少子化,每一個孩子都是國家的寶貝,跟是父母的寶貝。 |
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所以我來請求你我來拜託你在這幾年來我一直關注這樣的議題要讓孩子健康所以終於談判了讓女生我們的國中女生都施打了當時告訴我們說沒關係我們先從女生我也願意我也感謝那如果說女生有達到九成那我們就來考慮男生給院長報告換我給你報告說明我們已經達到九成多 |
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你是公衛專家所以我今天務必要跟你討論這個問題因為我們看到美國30年來HPV的頭頸奶從16.3%增加到70%好恐怖耶這都是我們的寶貝耶日本10年來從45%提升到52%我們台灣現在30%因為口咽癌所以本席一直很難過的看到這個數字每一年增加的是6.9% |
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我們要公衛最重要的,就是什麼,預防,最重要。 院長,你身為院長,我要拜託你,我們好不容易,好不容易,我希望我們到底公衛防禦疾病我們是要領先指標還是要落後指標,請教院長。 |
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當然要領先嘛當然要領先嘛對不對我們看到美國70%日本帳我們每一年6.9%我們都好緊張所以全國家長沒關係你不要那個70%是不好的領先我們要領先這個聯盟 |
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理事長他自己本身也得到了他才充分知道說預防是多麼的重要而且他是全國家長協會的總會長所以在之前我們跨黨派藍綠白大家一起記者會公布說我們已經達到了九成我們務必希望男生要做我們也做了一個統計我們也做了一個統計喔也就是 |
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如果國中生來施打這個疫苗只要大概2.5億的經費 |
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因為這個癌症他不會看你的性別 |
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新總統準總統賴清德也喊出了投資未來世代 |
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我相信防癌疫苗就是對我們投資年輕人的這個健康非常非常的重要所以我在這邊來拜託院長我希望我們之前所努力的已經達成成功女生已經是這個九成以上了而且我們成效也看到可以節省很多我們的資源 |
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請教院長 |
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好,委員你講得很好你是真的是公共衛生的專家也是預防醫學的專家那我現在要跟你回應的就是說我個人本身也是覺得應該男女都接種HPV的疫苗那在臺灣呢實際上跟HPV比較有關係的口咽的部分的癌症是口咽癌啦不是口腔癌比較少口咽癌 |
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所以在這個部分的話我們已經有請這個衛福部在研議那如果我們在現在盤算經費可以的話我們當然很樂意作為亞洲領先的國家因為我要問這個之前我也做功課我也特別跟薛部長我很讚許他他對於預防的部分他很支持 |
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而且真的可以讓我們家長可以安心所以在院長你的答覆也就是我們同意讓我們HPV的疫苗的施打男生尤其他有一個精華時間打就國中時間我們趕快去爭取這個精華時間你同意全面來施打對不對我們會研議啦因為這個包括研議就是同意嘛 |
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因為他會有範圍的界定我希望在520之前 院長你有了這個成效幫助我們所有的家長 |
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讓我們的孩子健康,好嗎?院長。好啦,我想一下,那個研議的意思是說,你是要只打一個13歲,或者你要13到18歲都打。好,那我們一個原則也就是同意男生施打,那質疑方案請部長這邊盡快研議方案,好不好?我們請他盡快研議,如果可以的話我們就來推動。我們務必在520之前把政策拿出來,好不好?這個才是我們要的,謝謝。預算要編到明年。 |
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接下來本席要請教你請回金鈴攤牌的這個問題是全球的這個選學裡頭2022年我們才公布2050年我們的路線策略等等那我們要怎麼跟台灣接軌不管怎麼樣我們還是要加油所以 |
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國會議員 |
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我們的成效在這四項的指標當中請說明我們在電動機車的部分7.1億以及你能源補充站922站1.8億你試乘的部分補助3500家的2.1億你的維修工具建置4500家2.2億現在目前的成效如何請告訴我比例 |
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委員吼,那因為委員提這個,我們這個都有在積極進行當中,那相關的競爭﹖你告訴我比例!比例的部分我們是不是會後再給委員﹖成效不彰!沒有沒有,這個其實都用的﹖這是你會後給我,你當然要會後給我,我知道你現在打不出來﹖ |
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院長,我提出這個意見,也就是一個有為的政府,你任何的政策提出,你應該要去追蹤它的成效是怎麼樣。不好的,我們趕快加加油。好的,我們要趕快怎麼樣去推廣,認不認同這樣的觀念。 |
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但是你現在要求112年目標達成的執行狀況這個詳細的數字給我們部長有一個時間來盤點再跟您報告這樣比較合理我也願意接受你這個盤點你真有做得好你知道答案 |
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接下來要把數字給本席113年你強化鼓勵購買電動車現在一台是保七千本來是說113年沒了我們一直說你還是要努力所以一定也從善如流我們繼續補但是本席希望在你鼓勵購買電動機車以及增建能源補充設施的部分你要去加強 |
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你要去加強,因為112年絕對沒有你預算數以及你預計的這個達標,所以去研議,哪裡不好的趕快去改善好不好?一定要趕快去努力,因為我們不希望年輕的孩子我們鼓勵他騎電動車,但是呢他要修車沒有地方,他要加這個電池沒有地方,這樣子對我們年輕人來講是不公平的,對於社會的淨零碳排也不公平的。 |
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好不好我提出這個議題我會繼續追蹤請你把數字以及你改善的方案給本席沒有問題是不是沒有問題你要努力去做來院長電價要漲人心惶惶昨天我們跟部長在經濟委員會我也感謝藍綠白的委員全力的支持現階段330度以下民生不能漲院長部長有沒有告訴你下個月要漲價 |
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下個月我們會開電價審議委員會 這個月要開啦 這個月要開抱歉 下個月要開 下個月要宣布說我好緊張欸對 不會啦 因為 不會 我想說 不會長喔 不是你不用緊張 那我們在所有的電話電費調整的過程當中都會按照一定的計畫會考慮到 什麼計畫 就是一定的 署長沒告訴你嗎 |
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平均漲幅10%欸,創價歷史新高欸,從來沒有330度以下的還要...你聽不聽講,我好緊張,我的夜市怎麼辦啊,330度以下還要漲,會漲嗎?會不會漲? |
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這要讓店駕審議委員會來看看他的公平性不要緊張不要緊張我們會很精細的來做相關的這個調整時間到了中旬下旬就要開了他們送出來的資料就是要漲330度的民生用電要漲你知道這個訊息嗎 |
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省議委員會還沒有做決定之前你知道經濟部送給省議委員會的方案嗎?部長還沒告訴你? |
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院長不會知道方案 難怪你不會緊張啊 我知道方案我很緊張啊 昨天部長說 330度以下要轉 |
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這一句話的原創人 |
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所以拜託我深深的拜託你我拜託你我因為我們在基層我們知道民生非常的痛苦薪資沒漲通膨的很嚴重你要一漲連330度的民生都漲你知道嗎你影響的產業會多少你的配套做好了沒有請教院長如果真如經濟部所送出來給審議委員會的你知道嗎你有將配套做好嗎請做說明 |
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我們有相關的配套當然有而且很多的我剛才講過我們會很精準的來調整而且會考慮到才我拜託你330度以下我給你求好不好不能漲現階段不能漲啊你到我們夜市去看看啦 |
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國內的內需,昨天我給部長,部長還笑,我說你不要笑,我們已經很痛苦了,已經告訴我要漲多少了。 |
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我可以回答嗎?我要在這裡很慎重地講,電費的調整一定會考慮到民生物資的需要,然後會考慮到使得物價也能夠不受到很大的影響,並且在不同的產業 |
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你都會考慮到,謝謝院長你的回答我們的這個國防會主委在前前天我邀請他來做業務報告的時候電價漲的三大原則 |
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穩定物價,你贊同吧。照顧民生,你贊同吧。兼顧產業,你贊同吧。就是這三個原則,所以拜託。按照這三個原則,好不容易行政院統一版本。所以在這樣的一個情況之下,330度以下,我還是深刻的、非常誠意的拜託院長,330度以下的民生用電現階段不得漲,你可不可以答應我? |
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我一向尊重專業然後需要用專業的評估才能夠知道多少所以為什麼講電價審議委員會而且電價審議委員會這樣的機制也是行之多年當我們拒絕了專業只看個人的喜好來訂定電價是不合適的 |
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本席具體要求這個議題我們有兩個結論第一個本席要求代表民意民生用電330度以下請現階段不可漲第二個你要漲的任何的相關的產業你的配套措施必須要拿出來好不好好不好第一件事情我不能夠答應 |
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因為這個就是要尊重電價審議委員會,你不尊重專業,您個人的想法。我,我有權利要求,你有權利怎麼做,但是拜託以民生為主好不好,謝謝,你們兩位請回答。本席再請教,本席再請教,院長 |
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個人弊傷呢,如果成為詐團的人頭呢,那這個目前是無法可管。 所以我給這個功課,我給這個功課。因為3月1號開始針對防堵銀行人頭戶的洗錢防治法新規定上路了。 這個我們非常的歡喜。但是如果對於個人弊傷的成為詐團人頭的部分呢,目前還是無解。 所以我具體要求,具體要求。 |
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那麼因為詐騙集團如果是以加幣貨幣的錢包方式攜帶出去張款出去那我們也沒法可管你拼命點頭我也感謝所以我要拜託金管會這一邊你們要趕快去研議針對於關務署法務部金管會針對於這個個人幣的部分是不是納入在我們洗錢防治法裡頭請做說明 |
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委員跟您報告有一家個人幣商被檢舉,他沒有申報洗錢房子,政局罰款了,所以不是沒有法可管,那當然洗房法或未來相關的法規是不是納入﹖他有法可是洗船法沒有啊,他如果用這樣子的高價然後帶出去你怎麼辦呢,你們再去研議好不好﹖ |
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關於這三個部分,院長在這裏,你的官務署,你的法務部,你的財政部,你的金管會都要去研議方案,好不好?研議方案給本席,謝謝。接下來本席要請教警務人員的身心健康。守護人民的保姆院長,你非常人心人數啊。我看到數字要流淚,2014年到2023年,我們有52位警員自殺。 |
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我們又看到2016年數字是最多。我們又看到二十歲到二十九歲呢是占最多。這都是伯母的心肝寶貝勒。要培養出一個員警這麼優秀。二十歲到二十九歲是最多。 |
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我們又看到自殺的部分呢20到29歲我說最多什麼3乘340到49歲這個2乘5在這樣的情況之下22個員警在近4年自殺的我們有列冊的只有5個所以本期具體要求我們應該要提高警務人員高風險對象識別的能力 |
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那麼針對於心理輔導的這個預算,你應該編給你旁邊站的部長,對不對?你要馬而跑,你必須要馬而游草吃啊。你今天22個員警自殺,只有5個有列車輔導過,怎麼辦?我很難過。 |
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我也是很難過啦,看到這樣的資訊我相當的痛心。所以我想我們確實需要有...請部長、院長,我說他是很人心人數的人,用數字直話亮話告訴我們問題點在哪裡。 |
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我們去年實際上這方面的預算已經有增加,但是我們會繼續來精進,來落實這個自殺的防止。好不好?部長,院長全力支持,我們一起來讓我們的員警他能夠放心,讓他的家屬能夠放心啊,對不對?22個自殺,只有5個是列車輔導。 |
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所以我們做的還不夠我們還有勞動當然努力了但是還有精進的所以首先預算要給他們增加好不好心理諮商心理輔導的部分 |
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以上剛剛本席所建議的以及需要的資料請詳實給本席。謝謝 |
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謝謝楊委員求願質詢。謝謝陳院長的備詢。接下來我們請登記第51號林委員淑芬質詢。院長各位大家午安。是不是請我們陳建仁院長。麻煩再請陳院長備詢。 |
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臨委員午安恭喜你當選連任還有婦女節快樂謝謝大家一起快樂我今天有點不太快樂是因為我其實這陣子蠻忙的那我們家是經常煮飯的我自己週末也經常煮那我很喜歡煮咖哩因為呢因為他煮了一鍋大家可以吃一整天對職業婦女來講他很方便 |
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我就想說該不會我也中標了吧然後我因為很忙嘛所以沒時間去看那今天在早上要出門的時候終於拿出來看發現的確我的咖哩粉是寄生公司的就是整個案件一起頭的那一個但是很不幸的然後我們要去這個我買的超市換貨也不能退 |
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而且我的那一批貨的到期日子不在不合法的公告的名單裡面沒有但我今天要再跟你講這個是因為作為一個家庭主婦作為一個食安的關心的人其實我們真的很在乎可是我們更在乎說因為我們知道食品的產業很寬很廣很多很難一一管得齊全 |
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可是我們唯一要求是說至少出問題了政府要好好的管吧這個這麼卑微的需求至少出問題了要好好的管可是呢今天我們看到業者非常膽大包天在哪裡你知道嗎 |
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業者部長在這裡,部長當時跟大家報告去年的12月11以後我們的邊境查驗從10%一路走到20、30、50到去年的12月11邊境的查驗是100%的查驗了可是我們從衛福部的網頁裡面看到了即便是100%的查驗 |
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這業者還可以在1月6號今年就是你宣布100%查驗的時候他在今年仍然進口了這一張單是13696公斤下一張1月28號仍然進口了9000公斤再下一張 |
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在另外一張第三張是一樣是1月6號仍然進口了15000公斤這同一群業者那我的意思是說我都要100%查了他還不怕仍然進口了4萬公斤的含有蘇丹紅的辣椒粉 |
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所以這個業者簡直是膽大包天,囂張至極嘛。那我們後來又查到這個業者他在我們的登錄溯源系統,因為我們都講說不會再有系統性的風險了,因為我們有溯源追蹤系統。 |
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這個事件告訴我們,溯源追蹤系統呢,它都要被登錄。它登錄上游跟誰買的,你知道嗎?我們食藥署也很認真的禁止了這家廠商不准再賣到台灣來。可是它禁止的是一家船務公司叫Kevin Shipping。它禁止了一家不是食品廠商是Kevin Shipping。它不是食品公司,它是他們的船務公司。 |
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而我們政府禁止了船務公司可是他真正的供貨商是誰呢是這裡我們這九家我們先看這一頁你看這一頁都是同一個集團他們說他們是親戚你會相信2631號1號一樓和二樓他是透天厝同一棟房子裡面透天厝喔登記了五家公司 |
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二、六、五也是偷天錯,都是住宅、民宅啦,裡面登記了三家公司。他們文龍東路同一個負責人,還有另外一個,他們還有工廠,也在文龍東路,但是是31號,我查出來的。好,他們有一家人頭公司叫做龍海統計,院長看得到嗎?龍海統計。好,我們看一下,我們到中國的公司登記網去看。 |
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龍海統計負責人一模一樣跟剛才高雄的那9家名單登記龍海統計的負責人一模一樣成立日期1997他做了營業範圍加工蔬菜水果加工我的意思是說 |
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我們海關邊境是我們源頭管理的最核心。第一個他隨便登登。第二個他登載不實。登載了船運公司可是我們禁止掉了船運公司不能夠再輸入東西進來。可是他真正的輸入到臺灣來的不是Kevin Shipping是叫做龍海同濟叫Eastrong |
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其實你們也有查到,所以這個是一個非常大的破口。 這個制度絕對要從源頭改進。 我們有燈,然後要燈載不實,但是抓到才那個。 現在你抓到他了,叫他公出上游是誰,公布齊全。 叫他公出下游流向我的那一瓶胡椒粉不在他們下游流向之列。 |
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下游流向批號也都對不起來所以這是一個好機會我們絕對要徹底的革新院長給我們一個源頭管理是一個真正的有管理的源頭管理然後這一種登載隨隨便便填一下然後用源頭公司一次9家登記在同一個地址 |
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這個問題很嚴重對確實我謝謝委員能夠查到這樣的情況我想未來我們在整個登記的這個過程還有這個廠商的這個查驗的這個過程當中一旦有該 |
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你知道還有一個什麼問題嗎?他查驗了你百分之一百要查驗他查驗四萬公斤三批不合格他不用付出成本 |
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因為他只要退官退出去中國再給他們龍海銅器再包裝一下再重新再傳運再過來再送也沒有關係因為他沒有成本除了傳運運費一下其他他只要退官貨還在以後 |
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如果有這種狀況,一律銷毀,不准退官。 |
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他才會怕,做不到事情會嚇死,如果叫人抓到,要告訴大家沒了錢沒錢,沒有成本下次敢再犯,而且原貨退出關在公海上繞一圈馬上又進來,你看,又進來,這個就是事實擺在眼前,所以一定要銷毀,一定要叫他們不敢再這樣子做。 |
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三重蘆洲是一個完整的島嶼 |
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東側被淡水河包覆西側是被疏洪道包覆所以三重、蘆洲是一個島那我們蘆洲是在島的最內側所以蘆洲人要出蘆洲大概要經過三重然後去連外或者是要經過橋樑才能連外而現在蘆洲人的連外所有的道路服務水準就是我不曉得你知不知道ABCDE |
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他是最差的F等級的道路服務水準。如果有GHI的話他應該在更後面。但是呢我現在要講的不是單純現況這麼糟而已。因為呢行政院在111年的8月合訂了淡北道路的工程。 |
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但是呢你們卻突然跑出一個議題是我們非常的措手不及我一定要代表盧州人在這裡表示我們非常的錯愕因為呢你們行政院提出了一個新北市政府要求新北市政府要去規劃要新設關渡新橋 |
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新橋要跟淡北道路銜接的配套,它是作為淡北道路施作的配套方案。然後目的是要做什麼?為什麼要馬上做這個關渡新橋呢?因為要降低淡北道路通車以後,車流會讓大渡路的車流增加。所以為了紓解 |
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大渡路的車流關渡新橋要把它疏解導到我們五谷蘆洲這裡叫做103縣道在這個103縣道經過八里龍米路五谷的蘇洪北路成泰路等等我要告訴你這裡的服務水準現況現況現況是F級水準而且是大塞車 |
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他們本來想說這裡的道路水準服務水準會提升會變好因為淡江大橋通車以後未來因為大家要去這個北海岸都要經過我們103縣道嘛通車以後會疏解所以根據呢淡江大橋集體聯絡道路建設核定本的推估到時候如果淡江大橋通車我們的F級的水準會服務水準會提升到B級 |
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也就是呢往北一次大概3835輛一個小時的車會下降到1922輛將近2000輛但是呢我們也看到如果關渡新橋將大渡路的車流引到103號線道來這個市區道路來 |
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我們的服務水準會變成稀到低,又會變很差。大概往南的部分會增加2300,它的那個一小時的車流量會從1900到會變成2300到 |
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兩千八所以他們預計一個小時要引進將近381到889輛一個小時要增加將近900輛的車子進來到時候我們的大陸服務水準又會變成低不要說這個是以零為禍 |
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你要紓解台北市大渡路的車潮?你要讓我們五股人、新北人變成二等公民嗎?這個我們在地已經飽受塞車之苦,好不容易期待淡江大橋通車以後我們要舒緩一下、喘息一下。結果你看我們,我們還要去負責幫台北市的大渡路紓解,我們還要繼續塞,這不公平。但是院長有方案。 |
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因為呢本來我們就一個方案你看這個方案關渡新橋他其實是有一個方案是因為他本來還預計要打通觀音山隧道直接穿越觀音山銜接64如果你關渡新橋的施作可以跟這個穿越觀音山的隧道同時進行不要分階段你才不會讓我們在飽受這種塞車之苦啊 |
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所以我們在講說你們來跟我們說我們未來會要開闢這個隧道連接64可是我們不要講第二階段因為你們談的是說下一階段你們要先開橋下一階段才要開隧道 |
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我們不能接受你只開橋把我們當成第二階段第二階段遙遙無期不打緊只開橋我們103號線道又要塞得很嚴重所以你們在合定版本淡北道路合定版本你們你們又講說開這個橋18億我們全部都補助可是重點不是你們補助你們還要求淡北道路跟關路新橋要同時完工 |
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我們也沒有辦法接受你們同時完工沒有搭配穿越觀音山的隧道以臨為禍真的是太欺負我們了老實說 |
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部長,您有沒有要講的? |
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的確淡北道路當時因為在這個北投地方他們有談到這個會把車子帶進來所以有這個方案所以北投人比較大漢,我們六九人比較小漢現在關渡新橋跟街64我們現在請新北市政府再做一個可行性評估 |
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沒有,你們只做關路新橋的評估,沒有六六四隧道。 有有有,有六六四的評估。那你們不是同一階段,因為你們告訴我們說,這個沒關係你們會叫他們去評估,可是你們其實有私底下來溝通有講啦,為什麼不能同時做啦。 |
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因為怕觀音山隧道穿越工程環評要拖很多時間所以你們為了環評拖時間所以不敢說同時同階段要去進行那如果在這種狀況已經講了111到現在才兩年了我跟委員報告115年的時候淡江大橋會完工 |
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所以有很多也會跑到65上去所以64上去啦所以我是覺得說這個做可行性到底未來要不要做要看可行性那如果沒有64你說64未來道路的服務水準也會飽和啦當然江大橋完工以後也會飽和64也會塞車64更是我們五谷和蘆洲人連外道路非常重要也會塞車 |
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接下來我們請登記第52號王委員育敏質詢 |
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謝謝韓院長,也謝謝韓院長送的花,也祝福在座的女閣員、婦女節快樂。那我們是不是有請我們陳院長。再請陳院長,不許。王委員午安,恭喜你當選立委,還有祝你婦女節快樂。謝謝院長。 |
| transcript.whisperx[480].start |
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院長因為今天是婦女節剛剛林淑芬委員也有說她作為一個媽媽她很關心的是食安問題那我現在擔任外環委員會的召委我也很關心這個食安的問題事實上禮拜一我們在委員會就針對蘇丹紅事件我們其實召開了這個專案的檢討會議 |
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那我要問一下這個院長你對現在蘇丹紅事件的掌握有多少?你知不知道現在進口這個含有蘇丹紅辣椒粉最大的進口商是哪一家?那個寶新寶新嗎?對你認為他是初犯還是壘犯?寶新以前好像曾經也有輸入過一些不合格的這個 |
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我們來看一下本席現在就要揭發這個保新他是累犯也是慣犯那他產生的問題是什麼呢有一家跟他登記在同一個地址的公司叫做配軍有限公司 |
| transcript.whisperx[483].start |
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這兩家通通登記在同一個地址,而且這兩家有一個共通性是什麼? |
| transcript.whisperx[484].start |
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這個配軍他在2018年的2月份就曾經被驗出他進口的辣椒粉含有蘇丹紅色素4號,當時驗出來的是4號。 |
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所以這一家配軍已經有案例在先。另外一個在2019年10月他的黑胡椒原理也是有不得驗出的農藥。所以這一家配軍有案在先。然後他們兩家公司同時還在2018年走私賺頭。 |
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然後也被這個這個抓到了這個法院其實有判緩刑所以你可以看到這一次的保新跟配軍他們其實有共同的關係都在同一家我要求你們要再去查 |
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剛剛我們看到高雄的是同一個家族同一個企業登記在同一個地址而現在看到的寶新跟佩君又是在同一個地址而且他們是之前就已經有犯案記錄了之前就有不良記錄了這個院長你們有掌握嗎這個我想我們一定認真的再去清查 |
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本席要求立刻去清查而從這當中我看到了一個問題就是這一次的我們的這個含有蘇丹紅的辣椒粉進到臺灣來他為什麼這一次的風暴這麼的嚴重是因為我們在前端我們缺乏了預警 |
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你看2018年就有這樣的一個事件那我要問的是當時2018年發現了有沒有針對這樣的廠商經濟部有沒有針對這樣的廠商再進一步的去監控他後續進口的食品有沒有問題這樣的一個記錄在這個法院有判刑有這樣的一個記錄有沒有回饋給食藥署有沒有到我們的衛福部來 |
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我覺得我們現在為什麼會產生這樣的一個食安風暴是我們自己沒有預警的措施如果當時針對發生事件的這個配軍跟保薪就已經有所警覺列為高風險列為應該要仔細去查核的對象的話我覺得不會放任他今天做大變成是全國最大的這個辣椒粉的進口商而且進口的量這麼的大 |
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一直到去年的12月整個攔下來百分之百逐批才真的攔下來但是院長知道嗎根據食藥署現在自己所查獲的63批的他現在是往前推半年而已63批光是63批就查出了18批的不合格品這樣的一個不合格率將近三成 |
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而去年一整年我們進口多少從中國大陸進口多少辣椒粉你知道嗎高達超過200公斤212公斤如果你用這樣的一個不合格比率回去推算的話這個數字很驚人他是超過60萬公斤 |
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議員長 |
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你認為這個問題要怎麼樣可以有效就是更快速的讓這樣的一個風暴可以落幕盡快的把這些未爆彈再找出來到目前為止食藥署今天早上開記者會他們還是覺得還有未爆彈他們的推估是正確的如果以他們現在找出來這不合格率這麼高的話那去年去年的上半年進來的這一些裡面很多都是漏網之魚啊 |
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那怎麼辦?怎麼處理?院長,來你說。 在對於這個已經發生的這些事情當然再要繼續的認真的去追查。 未來齁,其實我們已經有請衛福部提出一個未來經濟的計畫只要任何廠商他只要檢驗出來有不合格的這一個大家關切的這個化學藥品的時候 |
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就馬上這個足比檢查以外就馬上禁止他來進口但是你剛才提到的新的事證是說有很多都登記在同一個柱子的這些公司未來在盤點的過程當中應該把所有的同一個柱子的這個公司所有的進口的產品應該要更完整的來做 |
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委員： |
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轉來轉去,輪來輪去,這確實是一個我們應該再繼續精進加強的地方。謝謝委員提供了這寶貴的意見。好,部長。我要點出,院長要點出一個問題,就是你們現在有一件事情是行政院沒有做好的,而是行政院應該做的。從蘇丹紅事件到現在,風暴已經超過一個月了。但是到目前為止, |
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是不是行政院都沒有成立任何一個跨部會的小組每週盯進度每週好好的跨部會大家橫向的聯繫來追蹤進度以我剛剛講的例子今天食藥署發現了任何事情如果你有一個跨部會的小組法務部就應該動起來啊 |
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法務部就應該要立刻去追查這個剛剛林淑芬委員還在提到的這個事件是我們在未完委員會裡面開會他揭發出來的但是法務部什麼時候才查什麼時候才動起來法務部是今天吧是不是 |
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跟委員報告一下,我們相關的地檢署啊,早就已經分案在偵查,而且要申請法院啊,計壓獲准。有壓了兩個人,包括了新北地檢署,包括了雲林地檢署,還有高雄地檢署。有三個地檢署在高檢署的指揮統合之下,都全部動起來了。我問的是什麼時候才動起來?很早就動起來,所以才有生壓獲准,才有交保。高雄是什麼時候?高雄比較晚。 |
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但是最早雲林還有新北我今天要講的就是,爆發這麼大規模的食安危機為什麼到現在,行政院竟然還沒有組成一個跨部會的指揮小組?我想齁,在這個行政院是不是現在立刻組起來,可以嗎?我們的食安辦實際上都一直在掌握相關的這一些食安的問題 |
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這一件事情因為剛才有很多的事證發現確實是廠商、布華廠商確實有很這個嚴密的這樣的一個 |
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的一個違法的情況我們在中央的我們來成立一個小組來同仇。 院長我要求你立刻成立一個小組而這個成績不能太低就是由至少是副院長我想副院長也很有能力可以來指揮各部會把這一個案子儘速的查清 |
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我剛剛講過這個數字還有很多還在市面上流竄所以你要在最快的時間之內落幕你必須要一個強而有力的指揮讓各部會真正動起來這件事情才有辦法處理跟解決 |
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要不然不是靠立法委員來,立法委員舉報一個你們辦一個舉報一個辦一個這樣就叫做被動跟消極我相信如果整個行政院願意立刻動起來的話這一個蘇丹紅事件的風暴可以在最快的時間落幕如果沒有這樣子做的話再查一個月還查不完為什麼這個數字真的很龐大我們行政院來組一個跨部會的小組馬上來做好謝謝院長我們來組這樣的一個小組那我接下來就要問各部會了 |
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我們的食安的這個匯報裡面大家都是有責任的但是到目前為止我看到我們衛福部部長最辛苦了還戴著口罩然後在委員會裡面所有的事情好像他們一間挑然後就是這個整個食藥署來做但是這件事情太龐雜了我以下我要就教幾位部長們在食安風暴當中你們到底在做什麼我先請教教育部部長 |
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這一件事情涉及到學童的營養午餐的問題。結果我們發現呢第一時間出來之後教育部都沒有聲音學童的營養午餐也都沒有在管然後是各縣市政府 |
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教育局或者是教育處他們自己先跳出來自己說為了學童的這個安全所以他們來進是教育局跟教育處先跳出來而且到昨天如果不是本席在委員會裡面要求這個部長要趕快行文給這個教育部要求全國一致的標準 |
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你還是讓他個性歧視啊昨天第一時間的時候你就發現有些縣市說哎呀我們的縣市都沒有這個問題產品所以可以不用這個禁止 |
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現成這個這個很多縣市是沒有跟進的誤判結果呢後來發現不對啊為什麼這個食藥署繼續公佈了急轉彎一急轉彎就說我們不只學校要進我們這個長照機構也要進我們這個相關的醫療機構也要進到目前為止我看到的是每一個縣市禁止的品項 |
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跟單位都是不一致的教育部部長為什麼在第一時間什麼事情都沒有做在這件事情也太消極了吧學童的食安你不用把關嗎跟委員報告因為我們也將衛福部食藥署跟各縣市衛生局他們所做的當時就是有在檢查出不合格的這些相次在食藥署的這樣的一個專區裡面那麼這部分教育部也從食材平台裡面讓學校 |
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因為當時並沒有到這麼全面的時候是希望他們在學校開菜單的時候一定要留意一下這些已經公佈違規的這些廠商所使用的這些食材 |
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為什麼你們速度這麼慢呢?那我就問你,衛福部本期在昨天委員會就提了臨時提案,要求全國一致。昨天晚上9點衛福部把公文給教育部了,你今天批了沒?有沒有要求全國要一致?因為昨天衛福部學部長這邊提到可能在查緝的時間還要將近一個月,那這個時間教育部在昨天已經發函給所有縣市跟學校。 |
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您有第一時間發函嗎? |
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是,昨天就發了。我希望這個教育部你們守護學童的時寒要動起來不要這麼的被動。我目前看到都是地方政府跑在前面了。那中央級的部長不可以這樣子啊。你應該是要做一個定調跟領導而不是讓地方政府跑在前面。那另外一個我問你,你現在品項部分你要進哪些品項?現在每一個縣市都還不一樣。有的進 |
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昨天對於這個項字裡面這兩大項辣椒粉跟咖哩粉我們在昨天的公文裡面是這兩項 |
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同意這兩項,那現在還有的縣市還跑出來有白胡椒粉,因為昨天也發現汙染了,那到底要怎麼做?委員這個巷次的部分,因為我們還是要跟這個衛福局這邊做…我要求你去研議,就是不要這個整個台灣然後就變成是多制,然後大家的步調不一,其實食安應該是一致的標準,這個是一個重大食安事件,我要求教育部要這樣做,好來你請回。 |
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那我問一下這個法務部部長,你說你們主動偵辦了,那剛剛本席講的這個你要去查嗎?同一個地址,另外那家廠商要去查嗎?他如果有涉及到犯罪,我們一定檢察官一定會主動來查他之前已經涉及到了,你認為有可疑你們也應該主動去偵辦啊,你們偵辦不可以是太被動啊,不能靠立法委員辦案吧 |
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我們會跟地方的食品檢驗局相關的人員都保持密切的聯繫,我們有一個聯繫的平台,隨時都可以保持資料的交流。我希望這件事情法務部要主動性而且要硬起來,針對這一些還甚至敢去篡改報告的廠商,絕對是要重罰好不好。 |
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好來接下來我要請經濟部經濟部轄下有這麼多的食品廠這一次爆發這麼大的一個事件請問經濟部部長在這一次食安風暴當中你做了什麼因為這一次是進口的問題不是國內所以國內的部分目前是沒有發現有任何問題那進口商是不是要自主的檢查等等那衛福部食藥署這邊有去 |
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我希望經濟部 |
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到昨天在委員會討論的時候有一些購物平台還有就是他自己跟上游買來在加工的這一些業者他自己也成立網購的平台他們的商品繼續賣並沒有下架 |
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那如果這些所有的事情通通都要由衛福部一個單位來承擔這個事件會辦得非常的緩慢但是經濟部這個他們本來就是歸你們管你們可以去要求啊所以這個部分我覺得經濟部也沒有動起來啊你們應該要主動來協助衛福部而不是被動的等著說啊你有什麼需要你跟我講我再來昨天在這個委員會裡面 |
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就有委員要求要去查這些廠商結果我們部長說哇你經濟部阿就是我每一個子公司我都去查我都變成經濟部阿那這代表經濟部你作為主管機關你要動起來阿這個部份部長你是不是可以承諾趕快交進來這個查驗的行列需要我們協助的我們一定會來做 |
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另外一個在2013年曾經發生毒澱粉事件我相信部長你一直長期都在經濟部你應該知道當時的毒澱粉事件為了盡快讓消費者可以安心他知道說哪一些品項這個廠商有自主去驗然後他的這個產品是沒有問題的 |
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當時就做了一件事情是要求這些有使用到澱粉產品的不管你是珍珠奶茶你是霸丸你都要自己一個是你要求上面你的供應商給你一個保證證明他的澱粉是沒有問題的然後他就可以貼出這個公告說本店不使用含有酸氯酸的這個澱粉 |
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那這個的好處是什麼一個就是你讓這一些廠商也動起來自己自清嘛就是說我這個東西是沒有問題的另外一個是讓他把這個壓力就是往上你要供應原料給我你要出具一個安全的證明啊如果我們有這樣的層層把關那我們的食安的漏洞就可以補起來啊那當時那個措施後來就是有止血因為他還加上了行政手段就是你今天貼出自清之後就要代表說你這個是沒有問題喔 |
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那這個後端市場繼續查就是它還是持續抽驗如果抽驗到你又貼公告抽驗到你這個產品還是有問題那就開罰那這個就是一個更快速的引進你經濟部這邊的力量然後讓這整個風暴可以盡快的度過因為昨天部長也說我們有八成的辣椒是來自中國大陸 |
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又不可能完全叫大家不用使用辣椒的產品市面上那麼多的麻辣鍋加辣的產品你不可能要求廠商都不要使用但在這段風暴當中如果你要使用那你就要告訴消費者說你的是安全的而且真的是檢驗安全的可以去做嗎 |
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這我們已經開始動起來了,已經在做。我們除了藉由這個所謂的非東不可的系統告訴這些廠商之外,接下來下一步我們會找這個公協會,相關的公協會我們再再度的去重申那這個自主檢驗的這個。 |
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我問一下這個院長,你贊不贊成本席就是今天所建議的這個措施一定要也要同步去做,因為你現在整個查緝是由上而下,發現到哪裡查到哪裡,那我們現在是可以由下而上。對,我是覺得top-down還有bottom-up這兩個都是必要的,才能夠很完整的去讓這整個 |
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問題未來這個整個問題的查驗還有確保他的安全性才能夠達到更有效果。 |
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好,所以院長你也贊成嘛,那我就要求你今天所承諾的這個專案小組裡面要好好去督導而且要落實,因為這一次蘇丹紅的事件我覺得讓很多的家長也不安心,國人也不安心,現在只要看到紅色的東西都會覺得心裡怕怕的,而現在最新的是不是紅色的東西,白胡椒粉他這個青辣椒粉他也加, |
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今天已經在抽 |
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﹚經濟部 |
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就是到2025那原則上是2026的時候達到20%但是你現在是9.9對不對9.5去年底的時候那你的光電呢你的光電你現在缺口是多少光電目前是超過12GB |
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所以你還缺多少?你目標是20GW吧? |
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20對,還有8個GIGA要追,是。那我這邊還低估了。如果我這邊低估了,我現在講2.15GW,大概是還要在210座大巨蛋。 |
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這麼大那你如果是8的話那還要再乘以3倍那可能是將近超過500座大巨蛋的這麼大的一個面積那現在呢我就要讓這個院長來看一下本席不反對這個光電太陽能光電但是如果你的光電的發展已經影響到了我們的生態跟永續那這個就叫做本末倒置 |
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我們來看一下這一些現在出現的這一些亂象。第一個,我們原本餘電共生其實是以農業為主。但結果我們現在的餘電共生餘溫重變。我們現在餘電共生公告的面積,它佔比,佔你的養殖面積通通都是七八成。 |
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這麼大的一個比例有可能嗎?你如果是以養殖為主,院長你有看到這個問題嗎?如果是以養殖為主結果你現在公告出來的這些面積都是將近七八成還養得成嗎?而且過去還發生這些文革暴斃根本也沒有辦法然後我過去在地方政府服務的時候也發現他們反映說現在養殖的餘貨越來越少 |
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這是不是因為我們餘溫重變,然後有些農民、漁民他可能就沒有要,因為這個價格比較好,所以讓那個量產也下降了,連砂板魚都變貴了,院長你知道嗎? |
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應該不是委員講的這樣所以委員講八成分母指的是什麼這個我再跟委員釐清但是比如說在嘉義台南的漁電工生其實從去年開始有收穫之後其實收穫的情形非常好那我其實也非常樂意帶委員去看那個漁電工生而且那個有太陽光電之後他其實可以防寒或者太熱 |
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我跟委員說明第一個部分就是我們 |
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你們的說法就是都沒有問題,公民團體的誤解囉? |
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對我們沒有我要跟委員說明在剛開始的這第一年的時候可能漁民本身在種植的時候可能沒有沒有做調整那現在養殖的這些調整的技術已經到位了以後那現在包括您剛才講的虱目魚本身的那個產量那是因為溫度的關係不是因為漁電漁電工程的關係這個部分我想我們都有相關的資訊要求你們提供具體的數據因為你們的說法跟 |
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另外一個﹚ |
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坎數重電這個過去其實有很多團體關心那本席是看了覺得非常的心痛就是說以我們現在追求環境永續樹木對我們人類非常的重要但是我們現在為了追求光電它的這個鋪設率不惜坎數重電這是對的嗎 |
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現在目前平定造林大概是1萬3000多公頃 |
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那一萬三千多整大概分為三類,第一類就是它已經具有生態價值的,那這個部分我們不會,絕對不會去動它,反而會去加碼去讓它維護生態。第二個部分是它的林項是可以繼續成材的,那20年可能那個數目還不夠大, |
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如果他繼續在10年的時候我們也會給他獎勵那第三個才是林向不佳的部分那林向不佳的部分他未來會恢復農業生產之用所以到目前為止我們只針對這主要的這些林向的部分我們都不會去動他那只有少部分是針對土壤本身因為他林向不佳就是他土壤本身的地利是不好的 |
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那本席秀出來這一張圖這個是零項不加嗎? |
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這個要去看實際的情形,我猜這個很多那個之前台廠的地,他因為那個當時打破關係,那個地不好,然後去種林,又沒有好好種,那那個樹木其實都長不大,所以那些的地其實也沒有辦法做很好的利用。 |
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院長我想要提出來就是我們不能本末倒置我說過我沒有反對光電綠能也很好但是如果你是因為達不到你原來設定的目標而因此毀棄了一些的原則然後讓我們的生態也遭到破壞這個我反對接下來再看一張我覺得這是一個很荒謬的照片這是我到嘉義看到的情況 |
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請問院長,站在光電板上面的這個是什麼?看得出來嗎?應該是鳥類吧?對。 |
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我們如果發展到如此這般的程度要去鳥類的棲地我們還要佈滿了光電板本來它可以自由自在在那邊它可以抓魚它可以棲息但是為了追求我們的光電的這個整個的目標所以湖上面 |
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可以鋪設這些光電板不考慮原來這邊有沒有鳥類這個就是我看到的荒謬的一個現象這個真的應該繼續存在嗎在嘉義這一些鳥類其實是非常珍貴的資源而人類我們現在用這樣的方式去破壞了它原來的棲地這樣真的是合理是正常的情況嗎 |
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委員你這一張照片我是沒有看過但是在其他的這個案例當中我們是反而看到實際上當我們開始在相關的做這個觀點發展的時候有一些地方的棲地反而鳥類越來越多所以我是覺得以單一的照片來看 |
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我需要瞭解說這個也是我跟委員報告我有去看過很多案場吼那他會鳥這麼多其實他是旁邊也有棲地那他有的時候就會飛到光電板上面那所以有的人說那是他原來的棲地部長有我糾正你 |
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那個就是它原來的棲地是因為我們不夠要去開發所以連這樣的地方我們都不放過連這樣的一個原來很漂亮的湖我們都必須在上面鋪滿了光電板這個就是本期最後時間有限我只是要提醒我只是要提醒院長就是我們環境的永續跟我們綠能的發展它應該要取得一個平衡而不是失衡 |
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如果有一些的面向我們已經去侵襲到我們原來鳥類的棲地有一些我們該保留的林地也因為必須鋪設光電板而必須砍伐這個必須要有一個糾正的機制要有一個監督的機制而現在我看不到行政院裡面有任何一個部門來擔任這樣的角色大家都爭著在鋪設光電板沒有人喊煞車沒有人出來糾正所以我希望我們的環境部要硬起來 |
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接下來我們請登記第53位張委員宏祿質詢 |
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謝謝。我請院長。再請陳院長備詢。總委員午安。恭喜你當選連任。謝謝謝謝。院長你請坐。其實有幾個問題。我想這個文化部的部長 |
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| transcript.whisperx[565].text |
我想請問一下我們那個國家兒童未來館現在目前的進度的落實到底是怎樣?那個國家兒童未來館他的這個建築設計標已經選出來了這個優勝的團體那我們預計是在114年完成這個建築設計然後希望工期5年在119年能夠完工是這樣那不過我請部長再來補充 |
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報告委員,我想委員也有參加這個我們建築淨土的這個展示的開幕。目前當然是由國內建築師張馬龍跟日本建築師伊東豐雄的提案能夠獲得優勝。現在已經在進行這個我們相關的這個基礎設計已經開始在進行。預計會如期發包嗎?我們以這個作為目標,對我們希望不要再拖延,對所以我們其實對這個部分其實是努力在進行的。 |
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另外, |
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新北市政府有提出可行性報告 |
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| transcript.whisperx[569].text |
﹗ |
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已經預留了倒差的位置,其實表示新北市政府他也是想要做嘛,對不對?那想要做 |
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如果現在他不積極就有兩個原因一個應該是錢一個應該是市長個人的想法而已我覺得其實經費也不多我上次的質詢部長跟院長也說如果需要中央會全力支持所以我是覺得應該要麻煩部長 |
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我們要跟新北市政府要積極溝通這個為了地方的發展要就一次到位不要兩次施工是不是可以這個部長這個能夠跟新北市這邊能夠積極的溝通給他承諾我們如果給他承諾你不怕什麼責任都在他不然他現在他是說中央不給錢 |
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好像我們已經請那個市政府來考慮納入這個規劃檢討。那這個部分我們請我們交通部這邊再跟市政府再來做溝通。我想這個是一個...那個我們事實上我知道那個委員已經我們在每一次審查會都跟他講那他現在就是說因為太阪經濟走得比較快他不想要讓這個社會 |
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部長,我跟你講選舉已經過了是一個新的契機 |
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在選前新北市政府他要脫我覺得有他的立場啦 對不對但為了市民的福祉這個我覺得不應該這樣我覺得我們應該要積極的去做他講那個理由你不覺得很瞎嗎 對不對這個行政的程序我也在行政機關十幾年啊 |
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重大的決策如果你真的要全部的配合一個月兩個月也都可以完成了啊怎麼可能那個是理由勒所以我要在這邊我要請部長要跟院長說 |
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我們已經在努力中,目前大概是這樣,已經把這個意見也都表達。 |
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那我想說他有留下倒叉就是這個可行性都放在那個地方,不會一次把他打死。當然是不會一次打死,但有留下這個倒叉表示他也想。對,就是可以出去。對嘛,他也是想。對不對,所以我的意思是說應該盡快的讓這個。 |
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對整個新北、對整個我們的板橋,然後一直到新莊,這我覺得是很多大家都想要的。我也不認為這個新北市市長他會一味的反對到底。 |
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其實也要很感謝院長 |
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我去年一直爭取這個敬老卡搭台鐵部長跟院長你們的這個大家的鼎力協助尤其那時候蘇院長跟我們整個這樣大家一起來很感謝那時候我上一次的總諮詢也有拜託我們的陳院長院長你看一下我們現在這個敬老卡搭台鐵各縣市 |
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臨時提案委員 |
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新北是30點那時候我們的薛部長跟我們陳院長說我拜託你們要去跟各縣市去協調看是不是全國有統一的規劃然後甚至是 |
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用整年度來算,不用每個月來算。我不知道這個協調的如何了?這可能也可以請我們薛部長來回答因為這個敬老卡是地方發放委員很關心這個各縣市的老人的福利然後希望他能夠來達成高鐵但是那個點數的這個部分確實有需要來跟地方做協調 |
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那協調的情況我請部長來說明跟委員報告齁那台鐵的這個部分的話大概已經有12個縣市等一下那個部長我知道你那個你簡單的說就好了你講你們有沒有去協調啊協調的怎麼樣這樣就好了 |
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不不不,部長你聽啦齁 |
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我認為這個累積跟用年度的這個我覺得這跟各縣市的財務狀況是不相干的因為整年度的預算都編在那裡了他沒有多花一毛錢只是呢他讓你不要用每個月去算用一整年度去算沒有花到任何多一毛錢這絕對是沒有的 |
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這只是給市民的方便而已部長我覺得啦一個月到的話他剩餘的點數就收回去了我跟你講啦收回去是一件事但絕對沒有多花一毛錢那你到你如果是用整年度來算其實也不見得每個人都會用到完每一個縣市有他自己的考量部長其實啦只要有一個縣市開始做 |
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我還想請問部長一件事 |
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26951.965 |
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有委員在說這個很多人在囤慢性病的藥,他的資料從哪裡來的?確實有這種事嗎?委員說的是囤慢性病的藥,是指的是病人本身還是什麼醫療機構?有立委不是有這樣講嗎? |
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26953.749 |
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沒有,病人本身那個應該不叫做囤藥,因為他還是拿著廚房錢去拿藥的嘛,那只有可能說他沒有吃啦,結果就剩下來。但是如果說醫療機構或者是藥局的話,我認為不會有這種現象。 |
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對阿,我認為不會有阿,所以如果不會有的話應該,我們應該大聲的說沒有這種事情阿,你不能讓人家齁,這裡給你潑一點,我要說人家給你潑一點墨水一點墨,潑久了整塊布就變黑了啦,我覺得不應該這樣啦,有馬上要出來說,我覺得是這樣啦好不好。部長,你先回去坐啦,我再看你的拿喔。最後啦齁, |
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我們前瞻計畫已經也8年了然後城鄉的均衡發展其實我們是有這個目標其實一個很簡單的議題很多人在吵財政收支劃分法什麼的 |
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27021.721 |
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27049.642 |
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院長我覺得有一件事情我們可能要來思考行政區劃法或什麼的我覺得應該台灣已經那麼多年幾十年來了我們就單獨升格變成六都但其實整個區域均衡的發展我覺得我們並沒有去完全的去照顧到我給院長看一個圖 |
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我們台中市跟苗栗的卓蘭,那個院長,台中市的電話的區碼是零四,那個院長,卓蘭鎮它是苗栗,卓蘭鎮的區域碼是多少,院長知道嗎? |
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應該不清楚啦我直接跟你說啦他是臨時他就是臨時啦那整個苗栗呢是037啦對不對你看喔整個卓蘭鎮他因為受到地形的影響啦大湖丘陵啦跟那個的這個影響他們其實很少去苗栗他們的生活圈都在台中都在東勢都在豐原連電話的區域嘛都是台中的 |
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那我們幾十年的發展下來了,我們不需要去檢討這個問題嗎? |
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這個我的生活圈就在這裡,連電話的區碼也在這裡,我的出入都在這裡了。 我們的行政區化還是在幾十年前的。 我一直覺得說,與其一直在炒行政區化,那個財政收支劃分法, |
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國務委員 |
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這個內政部在曾經這個行政區劃法的時候曾經有到有送一些草案到貴院來但是都是預期沒有審查完畢那現在內政部也已經有請專家在進行我請部長簡單說明謝謝委員詮詢我想兩個部分第一個是行政區劃的確是有需要不過他需要更多的一個共識不管是由下而上還是由上而下這是第一點 |
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其實大到縣市的一個行政區域化的一個調整還有小到里一個里的這個調整其實它背後還會涉及這個選舉區域的一個劃分所以我們會特別的慎重 |
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不過這個大家也都在討論我想凝聚共識最重要謝謝我知道啦很多人怕去碰到這個就是說會扯到選舉選舉這個席次選舉的什麼的可是如果以從人民的角度來講我覺得應該到了檢討的角度你看喔光就台中喔現在的和平啦中橫已經不能通了他從藍頭出路欸那你覺得這個對和平 |
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謝謝張委員紅路的質詢。也謝謝陳院長的備詢。報告院會現在休息10分鐘。謝謝。 |
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本集完 |
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報告院會現在我們繼續開會下面我們請登記第54位陳委員金威請行政院長麻煩請陳院長備詢 |
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陳委員午安,恭喜你當選議委,還有祝你婦女節快樂。 |
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謝謝院長。 其實院長是我長期以來非常敬佩的一屆前輩、大佬。 不敢當。 我也是您美國研究所的學妹。 對。 但我們今天各自在…… 你是Hopkins的光榮。 對。 所以我們今天各自在這樣子的位置,我們就希望把我們分內的工作做好,理性的問政、理性的討論。 好,像Hopkins的時候的討論一樣。 謝謝。 |
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第一個問題呢早上已經聽到非常多的委員同事有詢問臺灣的詐騙啊已經是指數型的成長所以2023年一整年民眾被詐騙的金額高達88億而且報案的件數呢幾乎直逼4萬件非常的誇張 |
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對﹚ |
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是所以呢我自從來這邊上班以後我很仔細的研究我們所有部會的網站我來看到了這個宣傳反詐騙的網站點閱率只有88他到底都在談些什麼還有什麼可以進步的空間呢等一下我想播放一段影片讓大家看一下這個網站的內容為何 |
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好,我們先從這個反詐學堂按進去你會發現裡面的影片是空白的什麼都沒有 |
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再來我又按了第二個連結是所有防炸影片30秒短版影片裡面用我們政府預算花了很多錢請非常多的名人拍這樣子的短影片 |
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請問我們行政院的資安是出了什麼問題? |
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這一個部分的話我想我們會請這是衛福部的網站我們請他們再來好好的check這個是內政部提供給各個所有部門的互相連結起來的材料我想我們這個再請我們打造辦公室來好好檢討一下看委員多發現這樣的疏失的話我們應該要來改進但是委員剛才提到的這個打造的成果 |
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我跟委員做一個簡單的報告就像說我們這個近你剛才講到有4萬通的詐騙但是我們在去年一整年就是境外篡改的這個電話詐騙的阻止攔阻量就有1851萬通的電話然後惡意簡訊就攔阻了 |
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﹚第11會議 |
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所以我們打架是有成果但是當然還要再精進另外我們也查緝了這個犯罪集團那這個犯罪集團他們這個1700多個犯罪案件他們的這個不罰所得我們也扣查了41億所以我們會繼續來努力謝謝你給我機會來講打架的進度還有這個上升的幅度是趨緩趨緩最近各部門都很喜歡用這個字所以我覺得趨緩好也是一個好的趨勢 |
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再來我在這個網站呢繼續看有什麼素材是讓我們全民可以欣賞的可以學習的更令人驚訝的是在反詐騙的網站這個素材裡面竟然有民眾黨柯文哲主席競選總統時候的所有錄音檔案 |
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怎麼會發生這種奇怪的事情?雞蛋的供給是數學問題出問題是腦袋不好雞蛋的品質是食安問題出問題是政客的良性不足我承諾當選總統將積極輔導升級養雞產業 |
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我跟辦公室同仁一開始聽到這樣子的音檔的時候我嚇一跳你也嚇一跳,我們可以再聽一次 |
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雞蛋的供給是數學問題,出問題是腦袋不好。雞蛋的品質是食安問題,出問題是政客的良性不足。我承諾當選總統將積極輔導,升級養雞產業。 |
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我作為本年的台北市長藉由檢案570頁,民進黨這場議會面對問題只能開心而已。防疫預算未清四百月,就夠大行就欠,欠水安,欠疫苗,欠... |
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我相信這個錄音檔柯文哲的競選錄音檔在上面應該不是暗指他是正面教材或者是負面教材吧我想這個一定要來好好查應該也不是指他是打詐高手或者是他自己是這些音檔是詐騙集團吧應該也不是這個意思啦 |
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我想大概不會是詐騙的做法,但是這一定裡面在內政部的宣導這個詐騙的影片的資料檔一定要好好的檢討。當然我在走進這個議場都還親身操作過一次,現在相信很多線上的朋友也發現了。 |
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本院很多的委員其實都有經營自己的頻道也有自己的粉專社群等等我們要如何去檢視我們宣傳的證件或是我們的短片等等的是不是有跟著人民的方向其實對一般的民意代表來說你一直回頭去審視自己上線的這些素材是非常重要的因為你可以調整你的腳步 |
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這個委員是不是請容我們查一下,因為這個看起來怪怪的。 |
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這個科批的那個競選廣告在這個上面不過這個並不是網站喔這個看起來應該是一個這是你給的連結因為這個應該是一個雲但是這個對不起 |
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你給了反詐防詐請大家幫忙宣導的公文發到這些各級的學校各單位包括退輔會小學大學等等每個人都很用力幫你在貼耶我們來了解一下好不好結果點進去是這樣子 |
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這個禮拜大家也在炒數位身分證嘛我們的資安到底有沒有辦法被嚴格的把關看起來連行政院的資安好像數位部長都沒有幫大家做好一些教育訓練部長沒有我只是稍微提到而已 |
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所以這部分的話也希望大概一週內看可不可以給個書面的解釋未來你們應該要如何改善還有這件事情到底是怎麼發生的我想就如同委員所說的我們大概一週內一定得要來完整的了解那我們也會請數位部來幫忙我們各個部會來檢查 |
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那等一下也請委員給我們你的剛才的提供這些資料現在大家用手機上去看應該也有不過我是怕有一些網民已經惡搞把它刪除了但沒有關係所以呢 |
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比較有可能的是你們的協力廠商出包我們當然比較不去懷疑你們內部的人是不是違反了任何行政中立但是最終呢我們來檢討你做宣傳的內容是不是有閱覽那是不是有資安的問題甚至 |
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謝謝兩位部長 |
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接下來我也希望請院長看這份草案文件您是否有覺得似曾相識呢?確實因為在我擔任衛生署署長的時候當時代理孕母的事情我們現在的陳肇志委員就有提出很多的建議我們也召開了公民公司會議公民審議會議之後是有條件開放確實當時是 |
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有這份 |
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這份文件的第一行為因應不孕夫妻生育需求保障人權保護代孕子女代孕者及委託夫妻的權益特制定本法這段話讓人非常非常的感動而且在民國93年時任陳署長就這樣子高瞻遠見而且先進的進步價值是非常值得令人 |
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暫許的再來我從立法院的圖書館發現9393年前兩年91年賴準總統當選人在當時是賴清德委員的時候也曾經提出了代理育母的修法草案而且當時賴清德委員他研究了世界各國的現況他還分析了 |
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因為代孕所產生的法律糾紛遠低於收養的糾紛。好10年20年30年就這樣過去了看一下我們衛生署後來編衛福部拍了多少的公聽會專家學者會議公民審議會議以及無數的 |
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民意調查接下來呢﹖第幾屆的立委紛紛推出自己的版本﹖第10屆不分朝野藍、綠、白全部都有提案包括代理孕母到第11屆就是本屆呢﹖很奇怪的三位民進黨委員就把代理孕母的篇章拿掉了我們開了這麼多的公民會議 |
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還有這麼多的公聽會但是一而不絕絕而不行說實在的把這麼多的學者專家倡議團體召集在一起還有各位的官員是消耗極大的社會成本我給大家看一下這個 |
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這是我形容的需要帶領孕母個案他們的無間地獄啊因為這是一個迴轉壽司的火車永遠轉不出去從公聽會、學者專家會、性品會、法規會、部長核定、預告草案、行政院審議繞不出這個圈子就這樣30年繞不出這個圈子 |
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對於有代理孕母需求比如您剛提到的陳昭芝委員這二、三十年簡直就是一個精神的臨時啊我自己有臨床案例他流產了14次他本來算不清楚我回去看病歷加一加14次他只好出國找代理孕母生了第一個小孩 |
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好,他希望有第二個小孩結果他存錢存了10年才有辦法再生第二個小孩所以他現在剛生完第二個小孩回來 |
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我有患者因為先天五月經被我診斷出臺大的女學生吳子工跟陳昭芝委員一樣自從第一天被診斷出來他媽媽就告訴他你絕對不可以把這件事情告訴任何一個你交往的對象以免對方的家庭反對因此他現在染上了重度的憂鬱並且有一些傷害自己身體的行為我看了也非常的於心不忍 |
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二十年前的陳署長在舉辦完國建署的公民會議報告記者會上表示說公民會議的共識極具知識性、合理性、可行性是一個歷史創舉也為延宕近十年的代理業母立法問題提供許多重要的參考。好 |
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當時是延宕10年喔 當時陳署長覺得已經延宕10年 至今已經延宕30年了 當時的歷史創舉 現在也已經30幾國通過代理運母 iPhone都不知道出了幾代 我想 我們還能再等幾個 30年 |
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最近呢我把所有關於代理育母的文件全部看完近期部長發表過草案已經逐漸成型了提出版本很可能包含代理育母這樣子人民才能有更多的選擇更多的選擇在生育上兩次很公正 |
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官方民調也發現說支持代理孕母的比例一次是過半一次是86%大家都認同說因病或者是身體真的沒有辦法的應該要這樣子有人權的法案支持他們但是啊為什麼陳院長今天要問你解零還需繫零人啊 |
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陳院長你就是那個解鈴人剛看到無間地獄的這個循環裡面有非常多都在行政院的性評會裡面但內部的人都知道性評會的共識始終沒有辦法達成而且一樣的論點已經爭吵了30年其實啊從第一次的論點這樣子爭吵 |
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你就錄影就好啦因為第二次第三次第四次陳院長你應該參加很多次會議有在討論代理運往所以你知道從你們的會議記錄看起來其實這個爭吵是不會停不會停而且沒有改變立場也沒有改變論點所以我希望您身為信評會的召集人您是否可以回到您20年前的初衷 |
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我想我對代理孕母的態度大家都很清楚但是一個法案要通過在早期的時候不瞞您說確實在大院這邊在有些討論的時候就有一些委員反對後來 |
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其實衛福部表明的態度是 |
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雖然支持,但次長那天說沒有立場,所以我也還沒有機會問到部長。是沒有規定的立場,因為不管怎麼樣這一個案子會到立法院來討論。縱然如果說行政院的院版沒有去討論,就是說沒有把代理任務放進來的話,到立法院也一定會有委員的版本是有這一個代理任務,所以避免不了要做討論。 |
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但院長他現在卡關他其實始終出不了行政院以您的在公衛界醫界的聲望還有您的高度其實您在姓平會當一個召集人調和頂讓至少我們要讓這些苦等代理孕母的人知道說好我們國家的方向到底是做還是不做對吧 |
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我會來注意這個法案現在進行的進度 |
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少子化大家都知道國安危機少子化就是一個國家的慢性自我毀滅少子化就是一個國家的慢性自我毀滅您認同嗎 |
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少子化的原因有很多一個國家確實是需要維持人口的這個適度的這個成長是人口永續但少子化我們會來繼續改進所以我們來放寬人工生殖法甚至代理孕母就是人工生殖法的一個延伸去幫助這些想生生不出來的人生育對因為人工生殖法一開始的初衷有點幫助了 |
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可是對於掃紙化的解決好像這不是﹖他是其中的一塊拼圖也是您讓我很感動的一句話93年您說這是一個保障人權的法案﹖對所以第一次公聽會我有參加當時次長也說3月中旬下旬會有第二次公聽會而且在14個工作天以前會通知大家 |
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我回去再確定一下,應該就在差不多這個時候。 |
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我們期待大家一起努力,為臺灣人口永續而努力。 |
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再來呢這一段話描述臺灣的醫療問題比如分級轉整沒有落實分工做得不好醫療人員的勞動條件惡化OECD國家相比我們醫療支出中公部門的比例真的相對比較低基層醫療資源匱乏偏向醫療不均請問陳院長你覺得這形容的中肯嗎 |
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我是覺得確實臺灣的社區健康照護網絡還有需要精進的地方還有很多空間 |
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但是對於OECD的醫療保健支出公部門的比例是不是偏低這一個要看我們現在的需要做盤點因為在上一個會期我們就對那個health expenditure的部分National Health Expenditure有一些討論等一下我會給大家看一下您講的Health expenditure的數據 |
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剛剛這段話是您2015年競選總統副總統時所提出的醫療證件2015年啊現在已經2023、2024年了我怎麼還是濃濃的即視感我以為我看到這段話的時候我以為在講今天欸 |
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今天去年我相信大家記憶猶新啊黑十字醫護人員喔已經20幾年沒有走上街頭了居然又走上街頭去年11月護理師職業人數 |
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每一個月不斷地在下降職業比率只剩58.4%每一個護理師職業6年就quit不做了如果大家有機會到急診室看一下急診目前的亂象那個醫療品質以及衛福部長自己都說臺灣重症兒童10年後可能要送出國舊我們剛還在討論少子化我們還希望大家多聲一點結果你跟大家說10年後可能沒有重症的兒科醫師 |
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各位委員報告,對於兒童這部分我們已經有對策,而且這一個行政院也已經核定了。所以這一個部分在最近我們就會把整個的對策是announce出來,對於兒科醫師的保障。至於委員的這個護理人員職業,這是每一年從1月到2月、3月、4月、5月都會下降,然後6月以後會上升。 |
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所以這個問題有一個很大的因素是在於他要職業班 |
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接下來我們就談剛您的醫療2015醫療政見有哪一些還做得不足的有講到說 |
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建保支出只佔GDP的3.3%我當然肯定你們有增加支出可是很顯然還是不夠因為我們的建保已經快要破產了可是總額成長率卻是下降的 |
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我很認同你們剛剛講的Health Expenditure衛福部很會算CHE、MHE一被發現說醫療支出只佔6.6%,GDP 6.6%趕快東加西加加起來就7.5%昨天部長跟我們衛環委員會的人說我們的目標是要追上韓國嘛你還要找一個訪問團去OECD |
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可是韓國現在在暴動欸 |
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韓國暴動另外一回事,但是我們必須要在這個國際比較的時候要能夠精確。那也跟委員報告,即使用佔GDP的多少去做評估的話,也不是很準確。因為我們的GDP成長很大、很快。這幾年很好。沒關係。GDP我們如果是縮減它成長的話,當然比例就高起來了。我們的目標 |
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長期趨勢吧 |
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所以2015年蔡總統說跟其他國家比較我們醫療公部門比例真的相對比較低好我們看右邊這是衛福部自己整理出來的表格2020年公部門經常性醫療支出佔經常性醫療支出比 |
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這些數據是你提供的這些國家也是你選的其實你也可以再選比我們更差的國家我只能說很誠實我們這裡面是倒數第二名欸因為我們從2015年到現在 |
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我們公佈門的支出到底是還是相對比較低還是又趨緩了?好,委員我跟你講,這也是我們在上個會期的時候有很多的討論,因為這個比較是OECD公佈的這個資料。 |
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29433.382 |
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那在OECD的資料裡面你說我們就給他加多一點,不是啦,因為OECD的資料裡面像長照就應該要加進來等等。 你意思是說這個表還沒加長照。 對,所以我們還有另外一件事情也很重要,就是說公家醫院的那個設施或者是 |
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希望不是從倒數第二變成倒數第三還是第四之類的 |
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29477.935 |
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29504.268 |
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再來呢蔡總統2015年安撫我們全國的醫護人員說健保給各位點值一直在打折我們感謝醫護人員守護國人的健康所付出的犧牲未來我們要檢討健保支付標準表結果現在是2012年北部最慘北部是0.7、0.8打8折打8折是大家的常態 |
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那個是浮動點值的部分,因為也有一些是固定點值,所以一般來算的話用平均點值,平均點值大概在0.9多。部長您昨天也收了執政黨林俊憲委員的提案,他也同時提到您真的應該要再調整浮動點值至少到1.0.95塊吧? |
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沒有,跟委員報告,你如果要能夠這樣調整的話,因為點子是跟量是有關的,我們就是用總額預算制度。所以我真的很期待,因為你們提到疫情的影響啊等等啊。 |
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未來還是有很多新型傳染病嗎?所以我們要把這些因素考慮進去。這些特殊的狀況我們都有特殊去做處理,但是基本上要拉到1.1元的話,我們就要有很強的手段去控制它的量。這個對醫界也不一定是好的,因為整個總額就是那麼多錢,也不會從天上再掉下來。 |
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我們之後再來慢慢討論我們健保會健保應該要怎麼改革這是一個很大的議題好當時2015年的政見二落實分級醫療雙向轉診我們來比較這也是您提供的表格106年到112年醫學中心跟基層診所聞風不動10%、64%甚至基層診所的 |
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還下降欸,就議比例還下降欸。委員選了這兩年是在疫情的期間欸。所以因為疫情打亂了你們六大政策的節奏。六大政策我也讀完了。打亂你們六大政策的節奏。現在很多數據,委員你是Hopkins BL,你是很專家啦。 |
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第三﹗ |
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當時說要建立一個專業調解的機制,由受過訓練的法律及醫療專業者提供公正的意見,縮短醫病認知差距。好,結果呢,108年出了一個醫療爭議事辦計畫。第一句是叫我們醫療爭議發生時若病方對醫療過程有疑義,可先與醫療院所溝通。這不就是我們一般人每天,大家不然先跟誰溝通,跟里長嗎? |
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當然這個是現實的狀況,不過跟委員報告,因為我們貴院也通過了一個醫療糾紛,這個法律今年要開始實施了。2015年的政見終於今年要開始實施了,真的很可惜我沒有機會檢視這個政見,有沒有辦法好好的落實。 |
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謝謝陳委員經費的質詢,也謝謝陳院長的備詢。接下來我們請登記第55號羅委員美玲質詢。 |
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謝謝主席,有請陳院長請陳院長備詢羅永安,恭喜你當選連任,然後祝你婦女節快樂 |
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謝謝院長,院長你也辛苦了。今天是婦女節,我也先祝在場的女士們婦女節快樂。OK,院長在上一屆本席就已經跟你探討過我國的這一個統一制度。那本席除了跟院長探討之外,也跟相關的 |
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單位也曾經做過很多次的溝通。去年我也開了這個公聽會來聽取專家學者的一些意見。當然在這裡我要特別感謝我們林萬一政委還有我們內政部有邀集了相關的機關我們有來擬定了這個統一制度精進事辦計畫。而且這個計畫在今年的4月1號就要上路了。 |
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當然這是我國統一制度往前邁進的一個很好的一個現象。 針對於這個經濟計劃我有看到 |
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主責單位就是我們內政部移民署那移民署這邊有提出了這個四個面向那他針對這四個面向提出了檢討跟改善的這個目標那我們來先看哪四個面向第一個面向就是華語文程度那華語文程度過去除了現行的狀況除了說檢察署跟警察機關有明定需求跟測驗之外呢其他機關的並沒有 |
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拜訓本期 |
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本席最重視的一部分那像培訓的課程過去呢課程都是大同小異而且呢課程的時數呢真的非常的少只有8到15個小時這個跟歐美的這個通譯制度的培訓差很多歐美幾乎到100小時以上 |
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29870.563 |
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好那現在呢我們全面提升培訓的時間至少要14個小時這個時數也讓我覺得無法接受那雖然說我們說改善可是時間培訓的這課程的時間真的還是讓人沒有辦法接受基礎課程6個小時專業課程至少8個小時 |
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通譯的費用可能是讓通譯人員覺得比較安慰的地方,因為除了司法通譯與法務部來全責辦理之外,像其他的公共事務通譯,現行現況是每個小時平均是300塊,那現在我們提升到每個小時500塊,那夜間還有加倍的付費。那詞彙資料庫這個部分,我們現行的詞彙資料庫是以中英文對照為主。 |
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新住民發展基金補助建置越南跟印尼 |
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﹚議員 |
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主席 |
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我們來看一下現在我們的組別有分成五個組別司法通益警政業務醫療衛生還有就業服務跟移民輔導我跳一個跟院長有關係的醫療衛生好了好醫療衛生我們在這個計劃裡面總共呢有12個小時是專業課程的部分 |
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院長你看,人體構造與基礎知識1個小時,就醫檢查與治療流程常用與訓練及演練2個小時,內科醫療常見用與訓練2個小時,外科醫療常見用與訓練2個小時,後面零零總總全部加起來12個小時。 |
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我們基礎6個小時再加上這個12個小時總共18個小時那他就要去考試經過考試之後呢他取得這個認證就可以來當同意人員院長可以想像的到嗎 |
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經過18個小時他就要上場去做通譯那這些醫療用語院長我之前也跟你講過跟你提過就是說這些醫療用語都是非常非常的專業這個計劃裡面前前後後就十幾個小時他就必須上場然後呢必須跟我們的醫療專業人員當他們的翻譯有某個移工他去就診 |
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這個部分因為我不曉得這個詳細的課程的內容了。 是我們連課程內容我們都搞不清楚嘛可是我們不要看內容兩個小時一個小時 |
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那個時數就讓人家覺得無法接受欸就要看這一個被訓練的人員他本身的基本知識夠不夠如果他基本知識就需要再加強的時候當然這就有差啦就是說那個被訓的人如果本身是有醫療背景那當然就比較好一點 |
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院長跟您報告,這些去上課的受訓人員,絕大部分都是嫁到臺灣來的新住民。您認為說新住民他們會講越南語也好,會講印尼語也好,真的有辦法去確確實實的去做這個專業名詞的這個 |
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翻譯嗎?真的有辦法嗎?像司法同意也是一樣,檢查業務簡介2個小時,法律嘗試3個小時,偵查程序該要3個小時,實務演練3個小時,他還有去給他演練3個小時。那通過考試,我想考試的內容絕對就是上課的內容了。 |
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那這些上課的內容,我想說在實務上面遇到的絕對是超過上課的內容。你用的名詞也好,用的這些語言也好,也許跟母國都沒有關係。那也許它的知識是局限在你所上課的內容,可是我在想在實務操作上面絕對遠遠超過這些內容。 |
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剛剛委員舉的例子是醫療衛生以醫療衛生來講的話不要講說我們的新住民其實我們的國人如果你沒有受過醫療訓練的話其實很多東西也是沒有辦法了解那也沒有辦法 |
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說明給他的家屬去瞭解,但是這個是基礎的訓練,真正的所謂的訓練的話是實際上去操作, |
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所以這一些同意人員我們的建議當然就是說你如果是屬於醫療衛生的這一組的話就是固定在這一組因為你這樣才能夠...本來就這樣因為...不可能說把所有的都寫好了還在上證部長可能衛生醫療也許你覺得說可以邊做邊學嘛那我想請教司法同意呢 |
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司法同意怎麼辦?為什麼我會取這個例子?我跟各位講一個很真實的一個案例。 |
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在好幾年前有一位來自菲律賓的家庭看護工,他剛來臺灣就被他的雇主猥褻,然後當然他要去投訴嘛,然後仲介公司呢,那個部長請回,好,部長請回,對,徐部長請回,好,那這個看護工呢就跟這個仲介公司 |
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後來給他換了一個僱主,可是更糟糕,第二個僱主的居然就性侵了他。 |
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這是真實的案例喔!這個菲律賓的家庭看護工當然他最後當然就是報案兩個案子他都報案的後來也走了司法程序可是呢最後判決出來是第一個案那個第一個雇主呢沒事第二個雇主呢這個性侵案也不成立所以這個菲律賓的這個家庭看護工覺得沒有辦法接受 |
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這個菲律賓的康護公呢他不會中文也不會英語不是所有的菲律賓的外籍移工都會講英文他只會講菲律賓的泰加洛語那當然判決書他看不懂他拜訴他不知道為什麼他就跟著他的朋友講說在我們的母國 |
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| transcript.whisperx[719].text |
法務部長可以去看一下,過去曾經有這個案子。 |
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他必須到警察局去做筆錄有一個同意那他到檢察官證訊的時候也有一位同意那到法院開庭的時候也有同意都有同意陪伴可是同意都不是同一位 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].start |
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通譯都是不是同一位,所以實在我們也知道說在司法判決的時候你的證詞有沒有前後一致,這很重要。那他說他前後都不一致,可是這位受害者他說有啊,我這個前後都是一致的啊,為什麼不一致?因為通譯翻的都不一樣,通譯翻出來的內容都不一樣,所以造成 |
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最後呢,他居然是所有兩個案子都不成立,他是一個受害者。這是真實發生的事情喔。 所以本席覺得通譯問題就是人權問題。 我覺得到現在為止喔,臺灣我們的中央政府好像對這個通譯,覺得就不過是一個翻譯而已嘛。 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[723].text |
而且我也覺得說這麼多年相同意的問題我們談論了很多很多年可是就是沒有一套就是沒有一個統一的認證制度專業的課程也沒有那我所看到的這個計畫隨隨便便就是就是幾個小時他就必須上場做翻譯了那再來還有讓我很失望的就是這個計畫主責單位竟然是移民署 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].start |
30451.305 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].end |
30451.645 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].text |
國發會的角色在哪裡? |
| transcript.whisperx[725].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[725].end |
30499.722 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].text |
我們現在只是說國教院齒會納入國教院裡面的磁庫那其他的呢?教育部沒有角色嗎?國發會沒有角色嗎?這是一個很重要的問題為什麼從上一屆到現在我會不斷的跟院長跟你討論我們的通譯制度真的真的有很大的困境 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].start |
30502.362 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].end |
30525.314 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].text |
再來還有我們現在因為移民署叫不動其他的部會所以一樣還是下放到各部會各自辦理一樣下放到縣市政府各自去做辦理這培訓到現在為止還是一樣我們取得的這個資格認證的資格還是不一樣那要怎麼測驗你們各部會自己去認證吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[727].text |
我上次就已經在說了請參考澳洲的NATI這個機構 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].start |
30552.978 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].end |
30581.626 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].text |
也就是說澳洲的國家翻譯跟口譯認證機構這個認證機構呢他是在1977年的時候設立的那政府呢他這個在NATI成立以前澳洲政府是先輔導民間成立一個專業通譯協會叫AUCIS他來規範這個培訓的課程那等到這個AUCIS成熟之後輔導他成熟可以變成一個獨立運作機構之後呢才成立NATI現在他們兩個的角色就是說AUCIS他就是一個培訓的機構 |
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| transcript.whisperx[729].text |
NATI它就是一個認證的機構所以我在這裡真的要拜託我們行政單位真的要認真看待臺灣的通營制度就是他們這整個過程都非常非常的嚴謹那我們臺灣什麼時候才能夠認真來看待尤其是臺灣的外來人口越來越多的狀況之下再來我們馬上也要引進印度的移工 |
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| transcript.whisperx[730].text |
所以這個統一制度真的、完善制度真的非常非常的重要。 所以在這裡真的要拜託我們各個單位、話部會來討論一下未來我們臺灣的統一制度要如何走。 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[731].text |
院長還有一點時間讓你回覆一下我想上次您也提到這一個問題那我們雖然有移民署在做相關的精進不過考慮這個澳洲的制度的可行性的話我們會請一位 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].start |
30662.056 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].end |
30663.319 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].text |
謝謝樓委員美玲的質詢,也謝謝陳院長的備詢。接下來我們請登記第56號徐委員欣迎質詢。 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].start |
30695.964 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].end |
30699.505 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].text |
本席想請行政院陳院長麻煩再請陳院長備選 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].start |
30713.204 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].end |
30731.388 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].text |
陳院長辛苦了,這麼長時間以來的總質詢,今天終於最後一個了。接下來有個人質詢。首先第一題,送分題,您剛剛也講到了,今天是什麼節日?國際婦女節。本席想請教院長, |
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30737.722 |
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30739.222 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].text |
有進步,但是還可以再加強。 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].start |
30766.476 |
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您也認為還可以再加強嗎?所以首先本席想就我們現在公部門跟私部門女性的這種在職場的一個平等,包含就是女性的升遷,各方面還擔任高階主管、中階主管以及基層主管的情況。 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].start |
30787.473 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].end |
30814.846 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].text |
在我們觀察起來感覺公部門好像是比較對女性就是說比較沒有壓抑那女性的抬頭各方面都比較好但是對於私部門就是私人企業的部分好像這種對女性的歧視各方面或者是給女性這種升遷的這種管道好像還是比較弱所以本席在這裡想要 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].start |
30816.446 |
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請教院長你是否同意我們應該要鼓勵私部門的這個中高階主管包含基層的女性主管比例提升您同意嗎我當然同意我覺得在公司部門都應該每一個人都按照他的貢獻按照他的能力來做相關的提升 |
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| transcript.whisperx[739].text |
有關施部門的這個部分您可不可以在一個月內提一些具體的您竟然認同可以一些具體的做法的報告給本席 |
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30852.022 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].end |
30853.844 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].text |
您責成看哪一個單位,寫一份您也認同的報告給本席。 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].start |
30871.082 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].end |
30882.987 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].text |
再來就是說現在有關育嬰留職津貼已經修法就是男女雙方就父母都可以申請了但是申請的比例還是很少您知道為什麼嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[742].start |
30884.861 |
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30912.738 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].text |
我不太清楚每一個家庭的狀況啦但是在臺灣的文化的情況下可能都還認為是媽媽應該即便是媽媽申請的也還不多原因就是他育嬰留職津貼的這個八成薪現在只有六折六折薪太好了您講出八折薪那是不是已經八成了公佈門已經八成了 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].start |
30915.169 |
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施部門施部門也是一樣就是6層是6層是施部門的企業庫2層是政府用我們的舊保基金另外公務預算還補2層去年我們從6層提升到8層那施部門呢 |
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現在都有八成。那本席想請教為什麼2022年我們的預算是47億那到2023去年的預算是33億那到2024年今年也是30幾億 |
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| transcript.whisperx[745].text |
那有沒有可能既然你之前可以提到47那我們是不是可能八成那如果已經到八成那是不是可以再提到因為那一年是先我們先預估啦因為那一年先預估後來發現是這樣那預估既然可以47因為我們是先行啦我們先做那時候法還沒有通過但是我們用先做我們用辦法先補 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[746].text |
我了解我了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[747].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[747].text |
既然可以這樣的話那我們因為現在臺灣少子化問題我相信院長還有大家都知道所以既然生了我們當然讓父母能夠安心的養孩子很多人他沒有申請的原因就是他畢竟還是打折嘛畢竟還是打折這個薪資還是打折所以他也怕等於說薪水不夠這個養家不易所以是不是可以想辦法我們再提高 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].start |
31024.249 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].end |
31029.373 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].text |
有沒有可能我們育嬰留職今天能夠再提高?我想現在的問題除了薪資的保障,育兒的這個保障 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[749].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[749].text |
新制的保障以外,育兒的津貼的保障也是很重要,所以這兩邊都要平和。 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].start |
31075.086 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].end |
31094.683 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].text |
我 我覺得 都有了 都是品質好不好的問題哪一項的品質比較不好我們有一些鄉鎮有空氣的污染 那水的供應的話呢 確實在原住民的偏鄉的地區 這個水的供應可能需要改善 那陽光的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[751].end |
31110.712 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].text |
謝謝,這個院長說得非常好。我們現在全台灣還有四五十萬戶沒有自來水。 院長您可以想像沒有自來水的情況嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[752].start |
31111.832 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[752].text |
像您今天穿的白襯衫,如果我們這些偏鄉地區的民眾穿著白襯衫,那他每次來水清華街他用他家的水洗衣服,最後變黃襯衫,變黃襯衫。還有我們平常喝水覺得很自然,這個都很健康,但是現在還有40幾萬戶,應該有超過100萬人以上。 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].start |
31135.262 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].end |
31151.865 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].text |
沒有自來水,已經是民國113年了,這個民生必需的自來水是不是我們應該要用專案來加速讓他們可以擁有自來水? |
| transcript.whisperx[754].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[754].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[754].text |
我發現呢﹖ |
| transcript.whisperx[755].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[755].end |
31181.616 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].text |
請暫停 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[756].end |
31231.006 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].text |
我們新竹縣呢這8年只拿了6.8億一個58億一個6.8億所以剛剛部長有講接下來的8年接下來要在為這個無自來水地區來爭取那我們希望能夠整體來看而且加速因為這些人他們也是中華民國的國民而且他們也是同樣都盡各種權利義務但是為什麼他們沒有自來水喝 |
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31231.866 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[757].text |
這一點我們請院長、部長這邊呢,我們能夠來加強,可以嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[758].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[758].end |
31253.107 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].text |
是不是給我們的部長簡單的回顧一下好不好?他們有計畫了,不是沒有計畫。 是是,那因為在偏遠地區齁。 因為我的本席的時間就是說未來我們能夠加速。 有,我們會持續來支持,會專案會來再提。 因為這個東西它的急迫性就是水。 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[759].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[759].text |
﹚發言委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[760].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[760].text |
部長、院長提出來我們一定全力支持但是不要大小眼每個縣市都能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[761].end |
31299.787 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].text |
蔡政府執政8年來有一個數字成長幅度非常驚人,總共增加了50億,您知道是什麼數字嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[762].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[762].end |
31332.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[762].text |
我增加50億,超過50億的都很多,好像GDP啊等等,那這個太多數字了。太多數字了,對,所以這樣講大概您沒有辦法知道是什麼,本席跟您說。 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[763].end |
31350.279 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].text |
就是我們蔡政府執政前105年的時候我們臺灣受詐被詐騙的金額是38億到去年112年衝破88億那我跟委員報告一下我等下會問你我也會給你話講拜託拜託所以呢我們政府啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[764].end |
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打詐無能全民受害那當然打詐有很多層面所以今天本席要特別就一個層面來就教於院長就是民眾受害其中有一項非常多的就是網路上的詐騙廣告 |
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所以網路上詐騙廣告現在很大一個問題是他沒有實名制的刊登機制所以院長是不是可以支持所有網路廣告都要實名制您支持嗎我們是想往這個方向去做但是我們還要跟相關的平台網路平台來溝通嘛所以您支持嘛我們是不是目前做的情形你先 |
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沒有沒有做的情形本席其實相關資料我也閱讀了我現在就是想要問院長因為我們今天這個施政總質詢我想就整體來就教於院長因為院長您當然這個蔡政府這8年不是都是您當行政院長但是你現在是剛好這個第8年嘛所以您承擔這一切所以本席就是想就這個來請院長表態所以您也支持嘛支持要實名制 |
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支持實名制之外﹚ |
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請問行政院能不能在半年內提出具體的方案? |
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目前是以金管會的這個投信投估法在投資詐騙方面如果他沒有 |
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您講到這我正想問電子簽章法聽說送到立法院之後要三年才實施這是怎麼回事? |
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不是這樣子的 |
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那個在裡面就是我們有一些部會就是他的一些服務目前是用公告的方法使用﹖那你多久可以實施電子簽章法通過立法院﹖一三度通過馬上就可以實施﹖剛剛講的三年是有些部會目前還只提供一些臨櫃的服務他需要時間才能改成接受電子簽章﹖那可以加速嗎﹖我想各部會的電子簽章法通過以後我們會全面的來推動各部會來加速 |
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謝謝那再來本席想請教院長從去年開始我們民眾在生活上特別是在交通上有這個有一項新出來的政策讓他們蠻有感受的您知道是什麼嗎當然你講的是 |
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違規祭典 |
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違規祭典有很多層面,所以也對,違規祭典造成很大的… 違規祭典裡面的小部分是不是,就是你講的是那個我們所謂的… 科技執法,你知道有科技執法這個嗎? |
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我曉得有科技執法,去年開始上路的嘛,我們民眾都感受很深,可是 |
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院長您有感受到科技執法對您有什麼影響嗎?沒有,因為你的坐車都有交通指揮。你有收過科技執法的罰單嗎?有沒有收過?沒有嘛,因為你不會,你都有交通指揮。本席在這裡要請院長您了解一下科技執法被民眾最詬病、最抱怨的到底是什麼?抗議的到底是什麼? |
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就是科技執法造成不少的擾民,也就是說 |
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首先本席一定要特別強調我絕對支持科技執法因為可以精簡一些人力而且科技帶來便利我們都非常認同那科技既然是帶來便利怎麼會變成帶來擾民那首先本席講一個例子就是比如說您想像在上下班交通巔峰時間我們車子要左轉在十字路口車子要左轉 |
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所以綠燈的時候我是不是可以往前然後左轉可是我在入口的時候塞住了那綠燈啊我當然是接著車子往前結果沒想到左轉的這邊沒有通暢接著就出現了紅燈那你說我會不會被開可以申訴對問題就在這為什麼他明明 |
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他明明就不是真正的違規你還要讓他申訴這個部分有沒有可能在比如說你開單前你還是花一點點判斷所以院長您這個確實也是這個明理的就是要判斷啊不然很多民眾都覺得還有救護車我想大家都知道會開車的都知道救護車來你一定要讓而且讓的時候有的時候 |
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比如說這個聽到救護車聲音我紅燈我還是要跨越那個紅燈的那個線我要讓開給他過啊我就被開了就民眾就被開了那像這種你等他申訴 |
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委員你講的是正確的,但是那個增加很多的是主要是去年我們修了一個 |
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但是現在中央到地方沒有一個統一的SOP |
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您是完全放任地方在做嗎?科技執法主要是說警力不足。這個我們知道了。那現在這樣科技執法事實上。這個我沒有要您回答。沒有要回答我想這個就不要回答。重點在於好我們等於是現在科技執法我們希望就是落實這個我們 |
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請問院長,像科技執法的地點,您會知道他怎麼決定的嗎? |
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對,但真正的執行面,我們希望中央能夠有一個統一的SOP |
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因為科技執法地點誰最知道哪個路口他最需要一定是地方要嘛里長嘛民意代表對不對地方的當然警察單位他裝設的他最清楚還有交通單位地方政府您剛有提到還有可能一些民意代表他們會接受到最多民眾曾經而且生活在那裡最了解 |
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所以未來是不是可以那個地點的決策的SOP裡面可以召集相關單位能夠共同的來開個會聽取大家的意見然後我們再來執行這個我想我們會跟請地方政府就像你講的一樣倡照這個檢察機關相關的數據還有民眾的反應 |
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來做比較好的這個設置,但是在這個設置的過程當中,我想這個以往的數據可能是一個重要的角色。好,OK,院長,就是如果可以您就承諾可以,未來是不是可以我們就朝這個方向。這是要地方政府來一起配合啦。對對對,所以中央應該也可以,比如提出一些SOP的一個建議或者是。我們可以提給一些建議。 |
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好那再來本席想請教院長這個我們不管公務單位或私人單位有的時候有人勇於揭弊就是有一些弊案揭弊者您覺得他最擔心的是什麼第一個他的工作權第二個他的人身自由第三個以上皆是 |
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應該以上皆是吧,我個人覺得。對,絕對是,以上皆是,我們將心比心嘛。對,以上皆是,所以我們現在非常需要吹哨者保護法,也或是說接避者保護法。那,像現在有很多潛在的吹哨者呢,他很怕被秋後算帳。 |
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所以想請問院長您是否支持吹哨者保護法或稱為接避者保護法進促立法。我想這個立法。您支不支持我就是想了解您的態度就好。我支持有吹哨者的保護但是要分階段。 |
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因為目前草案都還沒有送到立法院 |
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那牛部進行,所以本席也想在這裡提出四大訴求。第一個,公私部門都要納入。您剛剛有說先公部門接著私部門。第二個,要有防黑函誣告機制。第三個,不能秋後算帳。第四個原則當然就是保障吹哨者或接避者的工作權以及人身安全的保護機制要儘早介入。請問院長支持嗎? |
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我想你的這個支持嗎支持嗎不要急嘛我時間不夠不是急我時間有限你的訴求我可以列入考慮但是呢我剛才講過你說公司部門都要納入我們會有先後之分對對沒關係嘛那你先後但你也認同可以納入好所以院長應該是認同那事實上呢去年7月法務部版本好像送去行政院之後就沒有下文了所以 |
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因為現在還在法務部審議,是不是讓部長講一下,好不好?因為前後有很多不同的版本,那我們一直尊重行政院的指示,一直在修正,所以現在而且審議的時間不多。 |
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行政院也審議了12次之多啦,所以我們還會繼續。 我想行政院一定會盡快的協調各方的意見。 沒有一個目標你至少定一個目標,你什麼時候? |
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我想行政院一定會盡快的把各地方大家的意見整合以後,很快的來送。民進黨執政就是盡快,沒有期程目標,總是要定啊。那你如果不行你當然才知道我要再加速,你沒定時間永遠盡快你就一直拖。已經有一個相當完整的版本了。沒關係,來,好,本席要接著問下一題了。院長,我們內閣中有一個非常 |
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作為一項非常叛逆的部會,您知道是哪一個嗎?您認為是哪一個? |
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我覺得我們內閣沒一個...沒有,你認為沒有,那本席很快說明一下,像外交部他一定會到駐在國,他的職責就是要去外交對外各國,他不會都一直留在台灣。橋委會他的目的就接觸僑胞,希望可以讓這個僑民各方面的事務進行。客委會一定接觸客家鄉親,原住民委員會接觸原住民,都有良性的互動。 |
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但是呢我們的陸委會呢好像是不溝通不協調然後不接觸也沒有實質作為那這個部分本席呢要特別在這裡提出來在這個我們內政委員會呢這三天都有陸委會的這個答詢 |
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的專案報告本席質詢的時候發現陸委會呢我們講到M503航線的時候推給這個交通部那我們農產品禁止登陸問題呢推給農業部那今夏海域執法問題再推給海委會海巡署所以呢所有事情都甩鍋其他單位沒有他沒有甩鍋因為他去做整合啊 |
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好像陸委會主委呢可以像行政院長一樣分配工作給各部會。我不知道我們陸委會存在的價值一年陸委會的預算9億元海基會3億元那我們整個的現在的執政的政府呢只有台灣政策沒有大陸政策 |
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所以方針陸委會海基會呢就是不溝通不交流不協調所以很多兩岸的問題僵化比如說我們客委會絕對不會說哇所有的台灣的客家人全部來這個抵制或者是對這個有問題都不去溝通協調不會嘛 |
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所以讓兩岸的關係盪到零下三度C所以呢是不是這兩個單位剛好竟然盪到那麼低可以剛好動起來所以我們對於兩岸官方兩岸的官方一直是不相往來的局面我們真的要建議考慮那如果現在的執政都沒有辦法這個兩岸 |
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院長您知道民進黨執政8年有一個案子空轉8年這個案子空轉8年而且會一直開一直開 |
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然後召集人一直換一直換然後所有的問題所有的問題每一次開會每一次開會就一直的這個一樣的問題可以一樣開一樣開連地方政府連民眾都受不了了正反兩方每次教訓講一樣的話這樣子可以做八年耶然後那每一次開會的時候相關單位都知道 |
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本席要告訴你,那就是 |
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臺灣知識經濟旗艦園區還有科學園區三期計劃。 那我們行政院在今年2月22日合併了一個桃竹苗大細股計劃。 這個計劃您知道吧?您就回答知道或不知道。 知道,在本院已經有通過。 |
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桃主任要大細股計畫,這個計畫行政院的計畫寫得很漂亮,他願景寫得很好,引領全球的產業生態圈,深化先進製程以及技術開發,確保半導體耕留台灣,真的非常好。 |
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那台資園區的計畫跟柯三奇他也是催生高科技研發園區而且台資園區的這個計畫裡面也有整個交大交通國立交通大學那您也知道國立交通大學裡面就是培養很多的科技人才也是各種的研發在臺灣來說我想也是最這個數一數二的但是為什麼這個案子 |
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一直是牛步進行而且呢一直的空轉然後民眾都說空轉輪迴都一樣這樣在做所以本席在這裡要很快的請教院長這個案子都已經所有的問題都解決了但是我們行政院我們中央一直的換召集人每次一換一個召集人所有 |
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我可以回答嗎? |
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我現在請您回答就是說是不是可以盡速核定?是不是?新竹縣政府已經依審查的意見在最近補件了來送到這個內政部審議。所以我們會來加速審議。那是不是可以盡速核定?我要是不是可以盡速核定?這一定要審議完才能夠核定啊。 |
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32491.383 |
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32509.334 |
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就是一直輪迴的審議你都審議了都是一樣的沒有更新的新竹縣政府都不斷的補充意見表示他們也認同嘛才會要補充意見進來沒有沒有都補充過了中央還是要求補充是一模一樣的都補充過了 |
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32516.963 |
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32538.519 |
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謝謝許委員心意的質詢。謝謝陳院長的備詢。報告院會本會期排定政黨質詢的委員均已質詢完畢。謝謝陳院長、政府院長以及各部會首長列席的答詢。3月12日星期二上午9時繼續開會進行立法委員個人質詢、內政組之質詢。現在休息。 |