| IVOD_ID |
15705 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/15705 |
| 日期 |
2024-03-07 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-35-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期外交及國防委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期外交及國防委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-03-07T08:31:57+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-03-07T12:17:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
03:45:03 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/7a505bc1fba11f2d73b8a2c1b37799c18b2c86716c5b07463be8d109af184be402d613c1939a74405ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-03-07T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期外交及國防委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國防部部長邱國正報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:31:57 - 12:17:00 |
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對,你也是我在這個空間 |
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我要宣告一些東西 |
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報告委員會出席委員9人與主法定人數好我們開始開會請議事人員宣讀上次會議議事錄 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期外交及國防委員會第2次全體委員會議一事錄時間中華民國113年3月6日星期三上午9時3分至11時35分地點紅樓301會議室出席委員沈伯陽等11人列席委員胡孟凱等14人列席人員國軍退出役官兵輔導委員會主任委員馮四寬及所屬人員 |
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主席王昭吉委員定語,報告事項,因宣讀上次會議意思錄決定確定。二,邀請國軍退出與官兵輔導委員會主任委員馮世寬報告業務概況．並備質詢。國軍退出與官兵輔導委員會主任委員馮世寬報告委員沈博洋等13人質詢。 |
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均由國軍退出以官兵輔導委員會主任委員馮世寬﹑副主任委員李文忠﹑服務照顧處處長曹東發﹑救養養護處處長周新國﹑臺北榮民總醫院院長陳威明﹑臺中榮民總醫院院長陳世安及高雄榮民總醫院院長陳金順等即席答覆。 |
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1899.677 |
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1918.083 |
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決定一登記質詢這場委員均已發言完畢報告及巡打結束二委員口頭質詢未及答覆或要求提供資資訊請國軍退出與官兵輔導委員會於二周內以書面答覆本會全體委員並複製本會委員令指定期限者從其所定宣讀完畢 |
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1921.573 |
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1936.649 |
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請問在場委員對於上一次會議的議事錄有遺漏錯誤需要更正的地方沒有的話我們議事錄確定請議事人員宣讀報告事項報告事項二邀請國防部部長邱國正報告業務概況．並備質詢宣讀完畢 |
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1940.37 |
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1968.076 |
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我們先介紹在場的委員我們陳永康委員請坐請坐請坐你這樣後面沒有站起來他們就很不好意思美玲請坐羅美玲委員然後我們林楚英委員沈伯陽委員這是我們現在目前到場的委員另外今天列席的官員的部分有我們國防部部長邱國正 |
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1970.751 |
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1973.055 |
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副參謀總長執行官鄭榮峰常務次長楊基榮權動署署長白潔龍那 |
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1985.69 |
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2011.683 |
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我們待會介紹有一些將領跟官員還沒有到場我先跟本會員做兩個會議的宣告因為今天早上國防部的車輛有一些狀況所以現在派另外一台車子去接駁所以有一些官員在路上現在大概十分鐘內就會到所以我還是依序介紹但沒有到的部分他們不是遲到就車輛發生一些問題現在在接駁中另外一個是因為禮拜四 |
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2012.523 |
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2032.502 |
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今天有大軍談那軍談的部分呢我們邱國正部長呢有事前來了架單今天他會出席我們國防委員會到12點12點後他必須要參加軍談我想軍談是國家非常重要運作的業務按照往例本會都會於準價所以屆時12點 |
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2063.033 |
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邱部長赴總統府參加軍談之後改由副部長博鴻輝代理向我們與會的委員做宣告好我們接下來繼續介紹總督察長是總督察長李兆明中將政務辦公室主任廖建新政治作案局局長陳玉琳 |
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2065.334 |
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2087.838 |
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陳玉玲是我們首位女性的政治專局中將是我們台南人歡迎來我們這邊練習然後再來是軍備局局長黃清培主計局局長謝其賢軍醫局局長蔡建松戰規司司長李士強資規司司長鄧克雄 |
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2098.554 |
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2115.864 |
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法律司司長沈世偉整評司司長苗慧芬國防採購事主任趙雅萍人事參謀次長是次長劉佩智情報參謀次長是次長顏有嫻作戰及計劃參謀次長是次長陳文新 |
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2123.732 |
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2136.317 |
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後勤參謀次長是次長陳道輝通信電子資訊參謀次長是次長盧建宗訓次是次長張俊志次長你怎麼沒有在車上 |
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2146.228 |
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2151.172 |
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陸軍司令部參謀長陳建毅中將海軍參謀長邱俊榮空軍參謀長曹敬平後備指揮部參謀長薛淵全縣指部參謀長呂正芳 |
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2176.04 |
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2181.425 |
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陸軍後勤指揮部參謀長﹑劉青勛支通電軍指揮部參謀長﹑陳俊良軍事情報局第一處處長﹑鄧敦仁 |
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2191.499 |
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2213.637 |
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也跟我們與會的同仁報告有關我們國防外交委員會情報你請坐我們情報業務基於情報保密我們都只介紹主管管那下面的單位主管我們通常名字這在之前就已經建立的就不對外揭露所以剛才是第一處處長那電展室副主任萬鴻生中科院院長張忠誠 |
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2219.924 |
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2240.074 |
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其他的部分因為在路上還在來到委員會當中那我是先詢我們委員同意我們先讓國防部長做業務報告他業務報告當中我們相關的人員就會到場大家有沒有意見我補充介紹那個林益君委員 |
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2242.512 |
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2262.699 |
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李委員你剛才沒有到我兩個宣告跟你補充說明一個是國防部的列席官員從大直本部過來的車輛發生一些狀況所以現在在換車換了車現在已經上車了往委員會當中所以我們剛才詢問大家同意我們程序進行然後應該馬上就會到了這第一件事第二個禮拜四 |
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2289.099 |
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國防部長要到總統府進行所謂的軍談那這個軍談是重要的會議按照我們委員會往例都會準價所以待會部長會列席到12點大概本委員會的委員都會問到都會問到到12點之後改由我們博鴻輝副部長代表出席該會場的委員是沒有意見了好我們接下來進行的程序請國防部部長邱部長上台進行報告 |
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2305.151 |
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2327.005 |
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主席、各位委員先進。今天我應邀到大院委員會實施我們的年度的業務報告。我將針對當面、當前十一項國防重要的一個施政的規劃來做說明。其實大院新一屆的各位委員,如果了解當前我們國防重大的政策,並且支持各項國防式的推動, |
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2328.703 |
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2343.469 |
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我們現在要報告重要國防司政規劃第一在這個掌握安全情勢促進區域和平的一個面向但俄武戰爭從2022年爆發以後也對全球糧食跟能源供應造成了很大衝擊 |
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2344.77 |
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2368.197 |
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在加以哈基於領土宗教的旗艦導致衝突不斷臺海情勢就是印太安全的重要指標今年中共在臺海周邊軍事活動也明顯增加臺海情勢也日益的嚴峻而印太區域存有數個潛在的一個軍事衝突的熱點包含北韓多次執行飛彈試射 |
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2369.918 |
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2396.516 |
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以及中共在南海各島礁的一個軍事化的一個建設海警以水炮阻擋這個飛兵補給船進入仁愛礁凸顯南海情勢也相當不安中共為了要競逐全球霸權地位透過上海合作一個組織等機制深化各項合作另外中俄在東北亞常態實施聯合戰略一個 |
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2399.357 |
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2023年底,美中舉行拜習會,達成恢復軍事溝通的決議,雙方透過對話來管理彼此競爭的關係 |
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2421.047 |
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2443.527 |
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我國位處於地緣政治的關鍵的一個位置臺灣的安全會牽動印太地區乃至於全球的安定跟繁榮而臺海的安全情勢也被受到國際社會的關注我們國防部將積極跟理念相近的國家強化軍事安全領域的交流跟合作來捍衛我們區域安全和和平的穩定 |
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第二在這個堅爭敵情動態．發揮早期預警方面．中共建軍的方向已經朝境外．已經朝境外而且全域作戰來轉型．火箭軍加速部署東風17等．各種的飛彈．另外陸軍他也一直在組建新型的原火部隊．海軍也加快了 |
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2469.136 |
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在2023年當中 |
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中國與俄國執行聯合軍演與戰略巡航,藉由實戰化演練,行作反介入與區域禁止的態勢,檢證其軍事整備與聯合作戰指揮效能。 |
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中共針對國際政要訪台﹐美國對台軍售﹐還有推動《有我法案》等事件﹐就會衝升高對台威懾的力度﹐以無人機或空飄氣球等灰色地帶襲擾﹐ |
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各種手段來增加我們海空兵力應對的負荷並且企圖模糊海峽中線的存在今年共軍為了要整合太空以及網路戰等領域的能力他積極的部署各種衛星那國軍依照我們威脅的及受害的程度會發佈警訊或者新聞稿去讓國人能夠同步的來掌握並且應處 |
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國軍會執行加強聯合情建政策手段﹐發揮早期預警﹐掌握共軍對台軍事的動態﹐並且審慎地應對。第三﹐在陸地戰訓準備﹐建構可持戰力方面﹐因為共軍近期頻密地﹐對我進行多類型的灰色地帶飽和式洗澡﹐升高對台威懾的力度﹐ |
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國軍利用聯合情監偵﹐達成早期預警﹐適切派遣我們的偵訓艦﹐戰機﹐跟防空飛彈的部隊﹐多重反制的手段﹐在海峽中線﹐跟我們防空識別區﹐應處共軍的襲擾。參考二無戰爭﹐所獲得的經驗﹐國軍以建構重層防禦的體系﹐來提升關鍵基礎設施的安全﹐達成我們戰略持久的一個目標。 |
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為了強化我們國軍戰備訓練的一個目標依照共軍近年擾台的模式跟敵人可能的行動我們完成漢光40道演習的一個想定場景的一個設計規劃8天7夜來做攻防對抗的推演防衛作戰各階段的處置的程序達成連戰指揮跟全民總力的整合等訓練目標 |
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為了要發揮國軍整體後勤資源的效能也會持續整合三軍裝備維修的一個資源能力整合飛彈、旋翼機等有大概290餘項的修能另外完成糧物、油料、彈藥等補給品的戰備存量調整來強化我們暫時運輸的偽裝及機動的作為來提升我們防衛作戰的韌性 |
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國防部也為持續強化危機預警．然後組建可持的國防武力．來保衛國家安全在我們反制認知作戰．堅定軍民心防方面中共利用臺灣言論的自由環境．積極地運用三戰．也就是輿論、法律跟心理戰．來企圖裂解、分化國人．以達成他認知作戰的目的 |
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分析中共認知作戰﹐包含了假、錯、訊息﹐跟爭議的訊息﹐並且結合統戰作為﹐跟軍事的威懾﹐企圖造成國人心理的紛擾﹐削弱軍民抗敵的意志﹐我們觀察中共在112年﹐運用官方的媒體﹐側翼的組織﹐還有在地的協力者﹐等這種渠道﹐傳播它軍事方面的恫嚇﹐詆毀國軍﹐等這些爭議的訊息﹐ |
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另外也企圖製造臺灣社會內部的對立﹐動搖民眾的敘心﹐來達成他不再來奪臺的企圖﹐國軍平常運用預警的應處機制﹐全天候的來掌握敵情﹐跟與情﹐針對錯假的訊息﹐ |
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迅速的澄清說明：而且本部協助來自拍錯假訊息的一個教學影片：並且研編國防通識教育：然後教材也會提供新兵跟教招人員來運用：同時透過我們親報漢森廣播電台以及舉光聯帝舉光原地等這些內容：多元的平台來提供民眾正確的軍事方面的訊息 |
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另外,國防部也透過傳統媒體和新媒體來呈現我們國軍情緒經驗的實況,建立國人對我們國軍的信心,凝聚軍民的向心,強化全民國防教育的深度及廣度,來建構全民防衛的共識。 |
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在第5提升支電戰力爭取作戰優勢方面因應敵情的威脅作戰形態的改變參考了各國發展以及科技的一個趨勢我們國軍也持續的透過強化指管系統等作為逐步的來提升整體通知電的戰力 |
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國軍執管系統採取複式的配置並且建置多重的備援手段確保我們執管不會中斷另外也為了形成電子戰力加成一個效果然後國軍建置了各型的電子裝備形成區域電站的一個防護網 |
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近年中共也不斷地運用境外的電腦﹐企圖竊取我們國軍重要的資訊﹐跟影響關鍵的一個系統﹐為了抵禦不同形態的網攻﹐設置國軍資安防護管理的系統﹐及聯合國家資安分享跟分析中心﹐來做跨部會的交流﹐提升我們網攻預警的運作﹐並且強化整體資安防護能量﹐ |
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2869.436 |
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為了確保我們國軍通自電戰力的發展：以自訓跟委外訓練方式來提升我們人員技術能力：並且透過各項戰訓來驗證自電作戰的具體以及做法：然後爭取我們自電戰力的優勢： |
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2897.925 |
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第6在積極兵力整建籌獲新式武器方面﹖我們面對中共犯台能力的目標﹖而且他的能力日趨晚輩﹖國軍也是以遠距、精準、機動跟無人化以及AI智慧的不對稱防衛韌性為兵力整建的目標建構多層次的防禦重生來應對中共威脅挑戰 |
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| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
2919.932 |
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為了要籌建所需要的武器裝備,在今年度基礎式投資預算獲付1,255億元,維持推動基建國造等重大計劃。另外,有新增案是重點在建構無人機載具跟強化分散式指管系統以及防護能量。 |
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美國國會在2023財政年度的國防授權法納入要強化台灣任性法的專章。國會訪團與法案生效到目前已多次來台跟本部來溝通了解我方的需求並且透過立法的程序跟作為監督美國行政部門來落實執行。 |
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國防部也會充分運用這個機會跟美方的行政部門達成深化雙邊合作安全的一個共識另外近來全球軍工業受到俄烏戰爭的影響國際的軍品產能普遍不足對此 |
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美國國務院、國防部、國會也成立專案小組,優化對台軍售執行。本部也會持續與美方各單位密切合作,來儘速獲得所需要的武器裝備,提升我們國軍防衛的韌性。 |
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第7在落實國防自主．帶動產業發展方面．公布前瞻未來作戰場景．跟科技的一個趨勢．結合國內的產學研各界．科技的能量．來推動國防先進科技研究．跟武器系統的研製．在去年112年度執行先進科技．總共有140個案．發展 |
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| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
3012.833 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
國防科技的水準 |
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3037.504 |
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建議無人機在今天的戰場上﹐發揮不對稱作戰的效益很大﹐規劃在今年到117年﹐會結合國內的產業供應鏈﹐加強產製無人機﹐來增強我們戰場兼征﹐以及敵情偵察的一個能力﹐ |
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3049.552 |
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3068.63 |
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國機國造目前執行新式高校級的產制,到112年就去年已經累計交機27架,預定在115年之前會達成66架產制的目標。另外,國艦國造也持續推動潛艦等五型的 |
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3070.487 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
3072.788 |
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海空戰地提升計劃和產製的9型飛彈規劃在115年會全數完成 |
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3090.939 |
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3102.345 |
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國防部持續督導中科院卻依計劃籌建各軍種所需要的武器裝備來提升我們國防自主能量同步強化我們國軍整體的戰力 |
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第8在強化軍民整合堅持防衛任性方面為了精進全民國防相關作業職能跟提升我們協調合作的能力我們透過了合作作業來強化跨部會的一個整合其能完善全民防衛體制的一個建構在今年教育召集所原有的軍事專業的課程以外為了提升自救護舊的職能增加 |
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3152.824 |
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民防協力的課程,同時也透過14天的教召訓額來持續提高訓練的質與量。另外,民安10號演習會在今年4月到7月之間來辦理,為提升地方政府平戰時面臨災搶救的應變能量,會新增潛勢區民眾配合來演練。 |
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3173.178 |
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另外也第一次邀請災防金融跟資安等這些專家學者來參與觀察提供他們專業的建議另外萬安市七號演習也規劃在7月22到25號來舉辦 |
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將由地方政府實施民眾的疏散避難,至重點在檢驗避難所的主動開放、災民收容救濟站開設等這些科目,願意會配合漢光的實兵演習。在今年童星山4號演習當中,協同縣、警、消跟民防的團隊會驗證全民防衛動員的演練, |
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致強40號演習,以民間的機車、車機、物質的報道率和演練為重點,藉驗證民力、物力動員能量,來強化我們全民防衛的認識。 |
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3216.161 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
3236.454 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
第9在遲緩兵役整備提升國防戰力方面．我們已經回復徵集一年常備役的常備兵的現役．已經在去年12月9日公告．滿一年以後也就今年11月跟著今年的1月1號起．我們徵集94年之以後出生的一男． |
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| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
3254.177 |
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1、2月份義南的大概有2100餘員已經分別在我們北、中、南、花東等地區入營已經完成一般的裝備營區的一個整建還有訓練用彈等這些要準備可以滿足徵集的需求 |
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| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
3276.417 |
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要從今年起訓練作為採取漸進方式來提升我們的強度跟深度入伍訓練一律調為8週增加快反的射擊戰傷救護健康管理等這些科目期末的建設則結合震撼教育在野外以三天兩夜作為連續的方法 |
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3277.898 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].end |
3278.118 |
| transcript.whisperx[65].text |
邱國正報告 |
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| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
3302.272 |
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為了落實義南照顧跟增進他的權利﹐我們是義南在服役期間﹐可以支領地域加級﹐跟相關的情務加級﹐ |
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3326.532 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
3347.771 |
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針對申請談訊、休業、再學的意難,教育部跟內政部已經建立勾結比對、督管的做法,藉由定期的集合以及輔導,以週圓申請的機制。前期各項工作,國防部都要節點跟目標,再持續推動,來落實我們訓練的本務,建構可持的戰力。 |
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3372.707 |
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在第10強化官兵職能打造專業國軍方面我講高素質的專業人力是建構我們堅持國防戰略的基礎國軍持續強化軍事教育跟鼓勵官兵終生學習然後培育未來優質的人力為提升我們國軍整體人力的素質 |
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| transcript.whisperx[69].end |
3388.298 |
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我們運用多元招募的管道來吸引優秀人才、投身軍旅,另外也透過入伍的訓練、基礎、進修、深造等教育,使幹部具備有管理的實務、專業的職能、戰略思維和國際視野。 |
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3392.381 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
3406.937 |
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支援役的官士兵也可以透過公語或全史來進修,實施學位、證照、專長的培訓,並且積極鼓勵官兵提升語文的能力來加強各種語言的鑑定。 |
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3408.699 |
| transcript.whisperx[71].end |
3423.57 |
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113年我們會持續編列進修補助的預算3億元來培養專業人力提升我們官兵的本職學能為了要留用優質的官兵我們也會持續爭取增調各項服務的佳績 |
| transcript.whisperx[72].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[72].end |
3445.344 |
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並且促使志願役的人力能夠長留久用並且藉由落實官兵的生活照顧增加官兵留營的意願還有運用輔導跟考核的機制來篩選選優秀人才進而提升我們國軍人力的素質 |
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3471.574 |
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在第11自修國防法案完備國防法制方面我們為了強化部隊的紀律跟維護軍中的人權我們也推動部隊調查以及救濟程序法制化本部也凝聚了陸海空軍懲罰法修正的草案跟軍人權益事件處理法的草案等這兩個法案 |
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上述兩個法案立法的目的其中陸海空軍懲罰法修正草案是為調整軍人懲罰室友跟這個種類並且明定行政調查的正當法律程序 |
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軍人權益事件處理的草案．為讓軍人權益當受到不正當的侵害．所能獲得及時的救濟．陸海空軍懲罰法的修正草案．跟軍人權益事件處理的草案．在業警行政院已審查完備．並且送請大院來審議 |
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最後報結語﹖我們堅持國防是我們國家安全的基礎﹖本部會持續掌握敵情動態來妥當應處﹖以前瞻來破壞各個國防施政﹖懇請各位委員先進﹖不吝指導﹖給予大力支持﹖所以這復建是去年的國防施政一個成效﹖請大家做參閱報告完畢 |
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部長以外有沒有要補充的沒有的話我們就報告結束了部長請回我們現場徐曉新委員到場那還沒其他新到場委員沒有的話我就不補充介紹再次跟我們會裡面的委員報告第一個今天禮拜四總統府有軍談所以我們原例在12點的時候準 |
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本會委員6加2分鐘非本會委員5分鐘10點半 |
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發言登記截止如果有臨時提案請於10點30分前提出我們11點左右是會議情況來進行處理首先第一位請羅美玲委員進行詢答謝謝主席有請邱部長邱部長請 |
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委員好部長早安部長根據這個局管署的這個說明我們臺灣北部的這個麻疹的這個疫情正在擴大當中那根據局管署呢他所提出來他說這個麻疹的病例呢年齡他差不多他是介於這20歲到40歲而且呢有些社區還出現這個感染源不明的這病例為什麼今天會在這裡跟部長探討這個麻疹 |
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疫情那是因為我們台灣在2014年的時候也曾經發生過離島部隊馬診的集體感染而且那時候整個追蹤的這個足跡是擴及到400人那對於這個傳染病的這個感染像COVID-19的時候我們也曾經發生過木林劍事件所以呢 |
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軍隊是傳染病一個很高的一個警戒區那是因為我們國軍的人員密度高那接觸的人都來自於四面八方生活環境也是非常的緊密所以呢也就是說這部分我們軍中不能夠忽視所以今天要來跟我們部長來探討這個所謂這個 |
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馬診在軍中可能造成的一些危機那疾管署有提到就是說感染的病例當中是介於20歲到40歲那請問部長軍中的年齡層介於20歲到40歲的這個比例高不高 |
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這都是高危險群 |
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陳委員講的我們軍中團隊的生活的確很容易對傳染病造成一個很大的傷害但我們國軍目前有兩個做法第一個依據疾管署一旦有人感染的話我們一定要按照程序疾管署規定該要通報該要醫療該要隔離按照程序第二個到目前為止各單位 |
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因為前陣子的COVID-19普遍已經養成一個良好的生活習慣衛生等等我想一切的防治方法基本上不外乎就人員身體一個保健所以我們以前面有良好的基礎以後會延續這工作持續做下去到目前為止軍中還沒有被感染到但我們嚴正以待並不以持續認為不會有 |
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所以部長您的意思就是說我們的防疫措施已經啟動了嗎?已經啟動因為機關署規定一有這個訊息以後國軍同步在做的 |
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剛剛我有提到本席有提到就是說這感染的這個年齡層是在20到40歲剛剛部長也特別提到說我們軍裝20歲到40歲佔了很大的這個比例那最主要的原因是說40歲這樣因為我們在1976年的時候台灣曾經發生過一個大流行所以很多人都已經有自體免疫了所以是永久免疫那至於在20歲以下的呢因為他們曾經已經 |
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這個已經注射過這個MMR的這個第二劑所以他們的防護力也是已經很強了現在就是20歲到40歲就算說他們已經接種過可是問題是這個防護力是逐年在減少那再加上我們軍中20歲到40歲佔了很大的比例所以部長這個部分有沒有說要來爭取就是說這個年齡層防護力低的這年齡層我們要讓他們來注射這個麻疹的疫苗 |
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國防部長邱國正報告業務概況 |
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所以另外打了以後免疫力也的確會逐年下降不過我們的軍人在進入軍中之前都會做檢測如果抗體比較低的或者沒有抗體的特別針對麻疹嗎對所以我們會特別針對麻疹所以我們就會請這些人要補打 |
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對,因為我有看到機關署的這個報告裡面,他說針對這個防護力低的醫護人員,就會要求他們來補打 |
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那當然我們對於這個軍中也是一樣因為過去我們也曾經2014年發生過這個所謂群聚的這個感染那COVID-19的這個木林劍的事件也不能夠忘記所以這當然這個對這個會傷及這個國軍的這個形象之外我想對於保家衛國的這個國軍我們也特別的而針對這部分的也給予他們更多的這個保障這部分可能就是要請部長請我們 |
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國防部要特別留意身體健康對部隊來講是一個很重要的課題我們國軍除了平常正常訓練以外已有這種傳染病外面普遍會發生的,國軍一定同步來做而且更加嚴謹舉個例子,我們會有校招進來 |
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我們在新冠肺炎的時候,我們是嚴正以待,該要把數量減少,該要距離加大,這我們都做一個防控的作為,這個東西以後我也是列為將重要工作推動之一,謝謝委員。 |
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是那還有一點就是要跟大家提醒的就是說像根據這個WHO的他的建設資料就提到說像去年2023年全球的疫情是很明顯的就是上升像歐洲區歐洲區的漲幅居然是比前年的漲幅居然是62倍所以我們看到這個數據是非常的這個擔心當然因為台灣有個好處就是說我們的這個不管是因為感染 |
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有這個防護能力或是打了疫苗有防護能力可是我們這個都高達百分之九十幾那可能歐洲地方可能這個防疫的觀念可能還沒有台灣來的進步因為台灣因為有過去的這個疫情的關係所以我們在這部分的話也許是比歐洲地方還要好可是呢還是不得不勝因為我們比較擔心的就是病毒的這個變異那過去呢也許你這個防護力夠可是像歐洲地方 |
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像西太平洋區也都是一樣他們的這個感染力是非常的大非常的高那也許就是病毒會在過程當中變異那這個病的這個病毒會不會來到台灣那對我們的防護力呢是不是有很大的這個威脅這部分呢這是我們比較擔心的部分那也許是軍中人員密度非常的高我們都希望說國軍兄弟姐妹 |
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政人改修委員提醒,事實上我想說任何一個工作推動,哪怕防疫也是包含在裡面 |
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一方面累積經驗很重要有經驗以後固然對我們防衛工作會有幫助但還是著重在平常要持續不斷的要加以密切注意我們繼續在這一方面除了累積以往經驗對部隊經常做的要求以外我們也會固定一個編組做一個管控而且督防的一個作用我想任何一個訓練當中我們也會把這個列進去看你們有沒有做好防護的工作都把它列為平常督導的一個 |
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這個部分真的是要麻煩我們的國軍來建立一個麻疹相關兵役的這個知識然後呢當我們的國軍兄弟姐妹在面臨這個時候呢可以說如何去應付尤其麻疹他跟這個感冒非常的類似所以這部分呢真的是要希望國軍真是要嚴正以待以上謝謝 |
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謝謝劉明麗委員部長請回我們接下來進行詢問的委員是沈柏洋委員那有請邱部長部長請 |
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総務委員好部長你好那我今天最主要是想要問這個關於灰色地帶作戰的一個因處那第一件事情就是說的確就是說我們在這個過往的一些文獻還有國防部的一些說法裡面不斷的提到這個灰色地帶作戰那這一次在業務報告裡面也看到就是說灰色地帶作戰為了因應 |
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國防部提出灰色地帶作戰以來有沒有一個統計數字就是我們已經面臨了多少次的這種灰色地帶作戰 |
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我跟委員報告,從有這個灰帶的問題以後,我們大概每天在戰報當中或者記錄當中都有這些記載。我跟委員報告,我們這個指揮中心它成立,裡面有各連參,針對敵情的,針對海上的、飛彈的,甚至於國內各部隊一個狀況掌握,這是我們本務工作之一。所以我們有這個數量,假如委員要知道的話,我們可以提供或者到委員那邊去當面做說明,這樣的話比較詳盡一點。 |
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那我想知道的事情就是因為現在金門海域產生了一些衝突那我們當然也知道這個是下禮拜我們才會有一些更詳細的專報那這樣在部長的一個判斷裡面現在是不是一個灰色地帶作戰的一個情形呢 |
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我覺得灰色地帶不光是地帶,包含事件也是如此,這也有灰色模擬兩可,像是中線的問題或近線之水域,對方可以講從來沒有契約或者的確有很多事情當初推動並沒有一個契約,並沒有想雙方來簽訂,但多年行之有年的默契,也可以把我們很多不必要發生而且 |
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甚至於擦槍走火這些不可抗拒的問題把它給縮減我想這片面的做法它有它的講法但我們的作為不會變更持續保持監控對海型的一個資源相互協調交換情資這是我們本務工作會持續來做的 |
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剛剛有提到破壞現狀這件事情就是說不管是禁止或者限制的這個水域又或者說他們對海峽中線的破壞那對於來講我們的譬如說我們有沒有這樣的一個準則認為說當他們單方面的破壞現狀的情形就已經認為它是一個灰色地帶作戰然後進而我們必須要有更多的應變措施 |
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首跟委員簡單報告,我們國軍分成平時跟戰時的作為,平時裡面我們有分,有突發狀況、偶發事件的處理,跟一個危機處理,包含天然災害,平常我們怎麼應變。像這種灰色地帶,它介於平時跟戰時之間,所以我們一有這種狀況以後,我們會把它給記錄下來,當作一個狀況。 |
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所以平常我們是依據國軍的突發狀況處事規定來做一個我們對部隊的一個要求應對這些狀況多了以後我們應對的方法也不但在經濟所以為什麼會有各種的兵推包含漢光包含我們各鑽區甚至於海空軍他們有他們的兵推就針對可能發生狀況來做演練我想這也就是我們應處灰色地帶 |
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讓他避免發生衝突的作為很具體的作為謝謝部長那我知道這個所謂突發狀況的這個應變他的內容應該是世俗機密但是對於就是說有沒有一個更高的指導原則因為譬如說像我在這邊列的像在早期這個國軍資訊站的這個藥缸那我記得陸軍跟空軍後來也有提出相關的一些細則 |
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陳文光委員講的像這些藥膏並不是機密但它裡面講的一個原理原則一個應屬的方法 |
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事實上國軍為了要防止這些突發狀況避免它到最後擴大變一個全面性的一個衝突的話我們對各種狀況都只有設定設定以後但也是依據藥缸裡面它的原則來辦理我講最簡單一個我們為甚麼有這樣我們備戰不求戰我們應戰但不必戰它就是為了這個大原則 |
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部長我之所以問這個藥缸很大的一個原因也是像剛剛提到的 |
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譬如說這個部長有時候會提到譬如說我們這個是我們可能是我們不要我們要避戰這個或者說我們不要去主動的挑起戰爭我們不要挑釁但現在呢以中國在譬如說中南海的一個形式他們的作為因為他不斷的步步進逼所以有時候當我們提出這個所謂的避戰的態度的時候他反而會覺得非常的喜悅因為他會覺得說那我又可以再往前更進一步 |
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我並不是說這是對或者錯的問題,而是說,如果我們有一個更高的指導原則,或者藥鋼等等之類的,讓我們知道說,譬如說我們今天在應處方面我們的組織形態是什麼,像我們剛剛講跟海巡它之間的協作這個是什麼,因為畢竟這個部長之前應該都有提到,海巡的事當然是海巡管嘛,那國防部有自己國防部必須要管轄的一個地方,但是, |
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像現在海巡已經面臨了這個法律戰跟輿論戰第一線的弟兄的法律框架已經被框架住了然後甚至害怕被起訴然後因為這樣士氣低落然後不敢提出任何的要求也因此海巡現在執法的能量已經掉下來 |
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那在掉下來的一個狀況之下本來海巡跟這個海軍他本來是有一個分界什麼時候是海巡做什麼時候是海軍做但如果今天在我們的藥缸裡面有沒有把這件事情納入到考量就是當海巡的能量已經掉下來了海巡已經被限制住了那這時候國軍有沒有相對應不同的行動出現 |
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我跟委員報告,剛剛委員講的沒有錯,我們就怕人家誤會,我們硬戰不必戰,跟我們避免戰爭是兩回事。所以我們為什麼國防部一開始就有動作,把第一級的要件改過來,改得更明確。 |
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因為以往認為第一集一定是對方開炮開槍了,我們才有第一集,我們已經早就改了,所以第一集的界定,它只要有一個實體,不管是航空或者海航一個實體,預約的規矩了,我們這第一集是一樣的,就把它當作我們一個反制,不是我們主動挑起的。 |
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中共會講說你們既然在避免,得勝盡死,我們也在看。我一再強調,以步步進逼,我們到最後,這所謂的第一級,我不是第一級我發起的。我們為了要避戰,避免戰爭,但是我們已經避免不了了,我一定要應戰。 |
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這個沒有問題就是說對於這一個部長這樣的一個態度那當然是我們在遵守國際法遵守這個各式各樣的規定之下武裝衝突法我們必須要遵守所以我們不要去開出這個第一槍但現在呢因為中國這個步步進兵跟灰色地帶我們作為以後的一個預判現在還沒有發生假設他進兵已經到24海浬已經到12海浬但他又沒有進來他又偏偏在旁邊不斷的這個巡航 |
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謝謝沈博洋委員部長請回接下來進行詢答的委員是徐巧欣委員 |
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區委員好 |
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首先我剛聽您的這個業務報告我們先從漢光演習開始跟您來詢問過去漢光演習是五天四夜但是呢現在變成是要到八天七夜我們想要請問具體的原因是因為要因應目前兩岸的兵兇戰爲還是呢我們對未來的賴總統面臨的兩岸情勢是沒有信心的 |
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我跟委員報告,看來有些時間長短,跟內容的科目界定,一定有原因,第一個考量敵情,敵情變化了,我們當然要做一個應對,而且累積一往經驗所以我們感受到敵情最近是有變化是嗎?一直在變化沒有,但過去都是五天四夜,我們這次轉八天七夜,一定是有很巨大的變化,那這個變化具體在哪個地方? |
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我目前希望更加詳細跟更加整密的部分具體來說是哪一個部分 |
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我覺得剛才講到這些灰色地帶的處理還有更加具體假設友軍一旦面臨到什麼狀況以後我們如何來協助應對這以前有規定但我們已經把它納入狀況處置裡面為了要印證可行不可行所以通通列在這個課題裡面 |
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了解,所以下一個我要問說過去呢去年漢光演習是由美軍觀摩的那今年漢光演習也會有美軍觀摩團嗎另外就是說呢去年就有傳出說以前是觀摩未來可能改成直接參與所以今年我們所掌握到的漢光演習我們有美軍的觀摩團或者他們會直接參與 |
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我跟委員報告這所謂觀摩是我們兩邊交流訓練軍事交流的要項之一事實上我們國家為什麼跟美方會有這種那麼近的因為很多武器裝備甚至以往的建軍什麼過程都參考美軍事實上其他各國我們也在參考但因為長久以來跟他關係一直很密切所以我們就經常在平常除了漢光以外漢光一定會請他來 |
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請他來跟我們做他所謂觀摩或者跟我們看哪些需要強化那今年的觀摩他們實質上的參與程度會比去年還要來得更高嗎?不會就在每一年都會派這個觀察團隊來了解喔那第二個主題呢想要跟您討論的是很遺憾的事情我相信部長也很不願意看到就是說最近近期喔軍人有不斷發生輕生的事件部長請問您有掌握過去10天內有多少起的軍人輕生死亡的案件嗎? |
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我跟委員報告,發生這個制裁自殺的事情,這是很大的遺憾,不管對他個人,對家庭,整個部隊,對團體灼傷。最近十天你們有掌握了多少軍人?我打算有五件,所以今天早上我還 |
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每次這種事情除了表達遺憾,我們繼續分析,不會去做一個定論,分析一定要從他的身心,從部隊的管教,從他有沒有債務問題,感情問題,多方面去做一個分量 |
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各位有沒有數據? |
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請說明就是去年跟前年你們應該都應該要好好的統計我跟委員報告我們數據有但是數據我們剛剛講了一有了以後絕對從各方面去做 |
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第二張圖 |
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連續做軍械的三天三夜都沒有睡都在打靶一直歇涼當然這個我先幫國防部說明你們是否認的可是我問一下這個該員有沒有負責軍械的部分有還有他有沒有BMI超標的情況應該也是有的那既然都有為什麼是直接否定我們什麼時候會完整徹查 |
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說明一下好不好 |
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國防部長邱國正報告 |
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好這個是非常有趣就是我們跟你們要的報表都是非常的漂亮但我們實際也去問了很多戰過憲兵的那他們都說其實沒有這麼好所以我們的這個初期的統計表跟實際上面面臨到軍人他們的情況我覺得都還要再去做調查但我另外一個更有興趣去詢問的是我們211營的這個軍社 |
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他們休息的地方我們可以看到其實呢這幾年來有國防部的新安專案總經費是1126億元但是我們看到211營的部分呢是97年到現在已經16年沒有整修了我們看到蔡總統經常在新安專案這邊剪裁那邊剪裁怎麼會我們照顧官兵的老半天結果自己門口站著的沒有照顧好呢 |
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那我們要問的是211左邊的這個什麼時候才要再重新的大幅的修整 |
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這幾年都只是簡單整修而已都沒有做大規模的這個修整或是改建什麼時候211我們就在總統府門口站的也不換房的最辛苦的我們什麼時候要給他提升相關的居住的社會我跟委員報告一下這個西安專案是這樣子有一些是新建有整建但整建他有分一個一個一個看這個狀況吧他如果在裡面狀況都還可以可能裡面要做一些強化下去的擺設 |
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請說明一下 |
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我跟委員報告我們有規劃但是他就不見得講說變成單獨一個房間但是你們就講什麼時候規劃整修什麼時候會完成這個你們一定有相關的進度可以說明啊委員你好我是連市次長跟您報告一下2110他們97年到現在他路上的建築物還沒有到這個法定他要這個心安的階段 |
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第二階段是我們每一年當然您現在問我的話我是沒有辦法馬上給您說我們每一年都有投資相關的預算在實施銀色的一些改善相信2110是有的那會後之後我會提供你們不能齁這個我特別跟你講不能我今天問你一個問題這個2110都已經出這麼嚴重的事情我們在思考的是整個2110他們憲兵的相關權益然後來到這個地方的時候我們問這麼基本的這個問題你都說要回去再看看然後時間不確定 |
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這就代表你們今天沒有做好準備過來所以會後麻煩提供給我們詳細的資訊也希望未來在質詢的時候你們是能夠把議題都能夠準備好的我不希望再發現問這麼單純的沒有涉及政治性的跟軍官權益有關的事情我們都說要再回去查查看好嗎 |
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我們只問說211營的整建規劃在什麼時候,這並不是一個很難的問題吧? |
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所以也代表你們對整個新安裝案的這個進度跟整件的時間表並不是這麼的瞭解?我剛剛連市長有講新安裝案它有一個標準的多少年限或者多久沒有翻修把它列進去像是一般它時序平常都在強化的 |
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我跟您說部長跟您報告你們每年針對2110的強化的整修的部分的經費運用都非常少都是很基礎很基礎的維修而已整個大幅度的改善我們既然都有了新安專我們還是希望在總統府門口站的這些弟兄我們可以給他比較好的生活品質往這方面去規劃我跟委員報告我剛在總統府左邊 |
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謝謝許曉欣委員,謝謝部長 |
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那這個相關單位也請向相關委員提出詳細報告那如果我們在詢答前需要仔細的回答的話其實國防部事務相當多可以要求他們先準備好好謝謝徐委員接下來進行詢答的委員是馬文君委員謝謝主席麻煩請部長來部長請 |
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法院好部長好部長剛剛因為聽到徐委員有提到就是說我們有一些官社的部分那需要加強在這裡我也要建議有很多的官校其實官校是培養我們軍事人才的一個地方我最近接到有一些訊息就是他們說回到官校去參加一些活動的時候發現到包括有很多的門還有很多的 |
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5326.26 |
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這部分我們請國防部要特別重視而且去了解一下如果有必要因為我們跟很多的大專院校跟很多的學校沒有辦法相比我們就沒有辦法招到好的人才這個部分在這裡特別提出來那在這裡要特別請教部長 |
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就去年漢光演習的時候我們的實兵操演過去我們都是反登陸操演大概集結三軍兵火力我們演示的都是貪案間敵讓敵人上不來可是我們現在安排的是兩軍在貪案對峙攻防 |
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5373.081 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
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這可以顯示國軍的防衛作戰的重點他已經從貪案間敵向國土防衛這樣子來做一些調整那甚至在民間大家的感受甚至我們未來很可能已經要打城鎮戰 |
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這個也是造成很多的人心惶惶的部分因為最近也有一些資訊顯示有很多有能力有條件財務狀況許可的人其實已經把15歲以下的孩子往國外送 |
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那都顯示大家對於我們現在的整個區域安全或者現在的地緣政治是充滿疑慮那再加上現在兩岸的關係不管是在民間也好或者像幾次的事件也好我想也都會衝擊到像這樣子國人的一些認知那就這個部分因為我們也看到共軍其實在 |
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不要說更長的時間近10年不管他是在基建的數量性能還有武器裝備他的推展跟他的進步其實全世界都是看得到也相信那就我們剛剛提到的現況包括我們海峽中線已經失去這樣子的一個大家的默契以後我們 |
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除了國軍每次都跟我們說因為我們每次的業務報告大概從過去在他們以前沒有這麼進步的情況之下也都是我們會透過情監偵的相關的這樣的一個手段會去做最好的一個防禦跟預警 |
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可是在現在他們有很多場主的進步的時候我們的說法還是這樣那國防部有這樣的應處的作為我想要請教部長我們民間我們一般民眾應該要有什麼樣的警覺或心態因為我們在選前曾經發布一次國家級的一個警報 |
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委員會主席 |
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那不是更緊張嗎?所以他到底該不該發,或者我們隨時面對這樣的情況的時候,我們應該,民眾應該有什麼樣的準備?這個部分是不是可以請部長跟我們說明一下?我跟委員報告三個問題,剛剛委員提到,第一個有關一個投資的,逐年投資營區修繕的,這我們會強化。 |
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邱國正報告業務概況． |
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國土防衛行大家變成哎呀現在有沒有打好像城鎮戰我跟委員報告早期漢光演習一開頭到現在沒有變大原則拒敵彼岸堅敵海上空氣然後毀敵泰岸然後集敵於陣地前 |
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因為以前推到貪案以後沒有往下推的原因在哪裡,因為在那個地方是決勝點,有機會可以殲滅,但後來要推幾年以後人家不就講了嗎,哎喲你們只打到貪案,貪案完了就不打了,就投降了。 |
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我跟委員報告,國軍沒有這種概念,打哪就不打了。所以我們一上任由我們講奉陪到底。那現在為什麼要強化城鎮作戰?就代表我們前面遠距、精準、堅敵海上這些狀況都已經過了。所以我爭當說一兵一卒,那不就到城鎮了嗎?並沒有想到要把戰爭帶進來。我們能夠抵擋在外面,源頭制止,最好具體彼岸,還沒出來打掉。 |
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但我們有這個能力大家很清楚嘛剛剛我也講了他們今年來不斷的強化但我們要做一個最壞的打算要做最好準備這就是一個最好準備的一環那準備這樣子外面很多爭議訊息就講了哎呀是不是前面就不打了打到城鎮來他要出國我沒意見我竟然跟同仁講說我國軍做的經常發布新聞稿以前大家請國民放心我要這一塊拿掉了 |
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我們放心不放心我們意見但我要讓國軍放心部長除了國軍放心以外我們也在乎的是民眾也要放心我們相信國防部有做準備可是我們現在因為過去大家都認為我們的灘難 |
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在決戰的時候就可以把敵人殲滅當然那時候一直是這樣子的一個概念我們當然也不是要投降可是現在如果民間有這樣子的一個舉措的時候其實顯示到民心在浮動當然第一優先是要兩岸和平這是全世界包括我相信其他國家也不希望我們這裡有什麼樣的一個戰端 |
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那這是最好的一個狀況這也要看國家領導人的智慧跟能力那如果在不得已的情況之下會有什麼樣的演變應該要讓國人清楚的知道我們必須要做什麼樣的準備不是只有前線的國軍做準備如果真的要打到城鎮戰我們的人民應該要做什麼他們應該要做什麼樣的準備就像你在天災發生的時候不能像 |
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我跟委員報告兩點很簡單 |
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軍事是政治的延長,很多問題,政治問題,政治方面被擺平了,沒有軍事的問題。我們也不期望,陳文剛委員也講,任何人沒有人期望打仗,軍人也一樣,但軍人他不願意,但他因為責任所在,一旦有狀況,他非要抵死,去抗拒不可。這是我們的一個基本概念,第一個。 |
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國防部長邱國正報告 |
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部長講的這麼詳細那個部分我們可能事後再討論可是還有一個重點不好意思向召委請求一些時間因為國防部今天業務報告我們還是希望大家因為現在大家都非常重視另外就是一個邊線筆的問題現在因為這近5年來我們看到每次的業務報告都可以看到我們的邊線筆除了111年他的邊線筆招募是88沒有達標以外其餘的 |
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委員會主席 |
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理由或者給本席的理由是因為邊境邊線比太低那到底哪一個才是對的一定有一個說謊嗎我們的業務報告做假的這些數據資料或者他也許是真的可是他有兩個情況第一就是你的目標定的很低所以你高達百分之一百多的招募的一個成效成效卓著 |
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第二就是事實上我們的訓練並不足你只能定這樣的標準可是事實上我們的邊線比還是嚴重的不足因為最近我們有看到我們的那個新的一個名詞叫做平均邊線比 |
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我想很簡單的一個問題就是F16V我們已經在5年前那個美國同意賣給我們的時候就已經5年的時間那這5年我們到底招募了多少合格的飛行員就F16V因為你說平均邊線比這是不合理的你今天飛慢速戰鬥機的可以飛F16V嗎 |
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我跟委員借一分鐘 |
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剛剛委員提了兩個問題,第一個邊線筆是問題,並沒有明文規定邊線筆差別的話不能夠掉,但這個單位他一定是吧,邊線筆很低,你要到別單位去,到別單位可能做植物跟在這邊一樣的,他當不允許他走。 |
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他不是講說要加入了,我邊境比例不夠,你不要來,不是這樣的,這可能在傳達當中有誤會,經常我也問陸軍,陸軍他左眼講因為我邊境比例很低,所以你不要這個時候走,他這個是一個委婉的勸說,他如果硬要有家庭困難,一樣可以答應他,這是第一個。 |
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建軍備戰長久工作,在要採購之前,雖然要等到裝備到才能成軍,但前面的步調沒有停。 |
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因為他有配套他設施是有地方擺他人員是能夠同步的裝備一來就能夠去操作是在同步在做當中所以邊境比尤其空軍我們也很擔憂萬一飛行員不夠但目前為止我跟委員報告我們座艙比大概都還不錯一般譬如說好像國際上會計大概1.4我們大概也1.4以上了 |
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可以打到你座窗邊謝謝部長用任何手段我們去留下優秀的國軍人才我們都支持我們也贊成可是有很多現在已經發生的問題不是用說明或找一些來解釋而是它真正發生的原因要去改善比如說像陸軍參謀長他要升參謀長的時候也許他的位置那裡邊線比也是不足可是他還是升了參謀長 |
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不能說上位的他可以調整而在基層的軍事官兵他沒有這個機會這個部分我們請部長去認真做考量好不好我們處理確定的事情委員真的我們沒有講要咬那麼緊比如講他能動這個不能動沒有這樣子因為看這個職缺嘛可能當中有點誤會而且剛剛講的邊線低壓幹嘛這普遍的問題我們絕對從源頭來探討 |
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不過講說挖東牆補西牆所以剛才委員特別提醒我們不要眼前問題以未來方案來補我早就講這句話一個泥岸歸泥岸那未來你不是講等到泥岸完成了我補現在狀況那不行的 |
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我們要很具體好不好我絕對順道委員對您聽到的可能是下面對你的說明可是我們還是讓我講一句話這個部分因為我們本席就是接到太多他不是單一所以就這個部分我們再去把它考量清楚好不好這個部分我們會提出來一定有他 |
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一定有相當的數據資料,謝謝馬部長請回,那這個題目我們他日也許可以專報來處理,不只邊縣比,其實還有妥善率那來,部長請坐,那邊縣比各軍種各兵科其實是分別看待可能會比較精準一點好,我們謝謝前面的詢答,接下來進行詢答是陳永康委員 |
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邱國正報告業務概況．並備質詢。． |
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對於國防部的政策從國家安全的角度本席是全力支持尤其是剛剛強調堅實的國防是國防安全的基石但是人才的培養是一切的源頭是重中之重所以特別就人才培養過程中間提供一些建言 |
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那我們在國家安全戰略下面的軍事教育的建設當然我們以剛才部長講的你有目標你有方法有手段這個過程就不去細數那麼建議的具體作為中間我提兩個建議第一個就是現在在政府的論證中間有些遇到不預期的狀況往往引用一句話這個SOP要調整 |
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Standard operation procedure基本上是行政作業流程的一個標準規範那它不是一個動態的應變作為那麼美國把2018年的這個武裝衝突法 |
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在2013年修正完畢了總共有1224頁這個可以提供部裡做參考因為這個裡面引述了一個非常重要的就不是去談在軍事作為上不談SOP而是談ROE |
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規定規定 |
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國防部長邱國正報告 |
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一千馬平行可不可以去切船頭這都要有授權那最後才就是所謂的交戰規定我們建議把這個ROE啊能夠納入我們的戰備規定同時要經由這個法治經軍法的討論那麼把它納入教學課程那麼因為在這個情況下我們的官兵在第一線的情況下 |
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他第一個承擔責任第二個他的上一級要要授權而不能啊回頭逐機請示就像當年這個私語啊一個小型無人機過來那麼回報小金門大金門啊一路這個過程我想部長非常了解那麼這個是給我們一個過去的經驗就是 |
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人才培養 |
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因為我們如果把國防教育底下這個所有的學校加起來三軍官校國防大學下的陸海空軍指揮參謀學院戰爭學院 |
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國防理工學院政戰學院管理學院那麼外加國防醫學院空軍航跡學校陸軍專科學校我們還有唯一的一所高中中正育校我們總人數加起來有13593人那麼我們對這個國立大學就是最少的人就是國立海洋大學那麼 |
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海洋大學 |
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關鍵在於我們國防大學所屬的有分了9個校區所以你很多的經費是投資在這個作為上面維持成本那麼如果以人均預算這個國軍軍事院校我們平均攤在身上就是每個人188這是千座單位 |
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委員會議員 |
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蔣偉林部長替國防醫學院爭取卓越教學的經費也就是說這個額度我們想我們同步做一方面建議國防部向教育部另外我們也可以在教育委員會提出這個需求因為所謂的人才培養的經費並不止於攤在學生身上的投資因為包括你要有好的老師 |
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各位先看這張圖是一張衛星照片 |
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在軍中常常講我們運用聯合情監偵的諸般手段來掌握狀況的發展這個我們在過去長年以來也就是用這個方式表達肯定但是因為現在動態的情勢變化太快所以用單一的圖像你看衛星圖沒有經緯度坐標那我們用GIS校正套疊下一張圖各位看 |
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退回去這張圖就是民航局他的臺北飛航情報區航區圖這裡面包括了訓練的空域海峽中線所以你看到的就不只是衛星圖那有民航圖再下一張這個是我們陸軍所用的UTM坐標圖全台灣包括外離島一共90張再下一張 |
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那麼我們再套疊海圖所以你所謂的運用聯合情監偵諸般手段那麼這是一個手段但是你缺乏一個共同平台那麼我舉例請把圖再反推回去這個是看最近啊就是我們國防部報導每天都有共機啊侵擾或者放氣球那這個圖已經套了4成了 |
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關鍵在於陸軍的UTM坐標圖是五萬分之一他是紙圖那麼未來我們會獲得美軍供售非常先進的武器系統比如說M142海馬斯 |
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它的射程從30公里、70公里甚至到300公里在這個圖上是沒有辦法運用的尤其是現在跨區作戰我們還在用紙圖做連結那麼海圖通常是50萬分之一、100萬分之一空軍的航圖甚至涵蓋範圍更大到200萬分之一所以因為不同的比例要經過GIS校正然後用這個科技的方法把它套疊 |
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將來一切的作戰圖像要數位化那這樣子就可以對應這個動態的情勢做出客觀的判斷目前所謂的C4IS是不同的時間不同的目標不同的位置不同的動向不同的意圖但是透過共同圖像可以讓我們的指揮官做一個更客觀的判斷以上這幾個建議提供部長 |
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參考,請問部長有沒有要回應的?沒有,我很感謝委員,委員講的問題都很深入,畢竟也是在以前在國防單位服務很長年的,而且雖然以往這個工作,態度各方面,我真的個人是很敬佩,但剛剛委員您講的這個, |
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我不管是ROE列入將來的行動程序的確因為環境變化狀況不同也的確要同步來調整不能咬到SOP就不變我就拿上一回金門的事情來講因為無人機飛越他們還做出動作來我還要我來扛因為事實上我不把責任推掉因為以前國防部有規定到領空上面該要打掉打掉了 |
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但是我不怪部隊,因為長久沒有給他叮嚀,沒有納入這個演練的話,他還真的按照一樣要回報,等到你回報完了,決心下達了,狀況過了。這的確是很嚴重的問題。所以我現在無目的地在做了,把各種狀況處理以後,做一個規劃。 |
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有一點像是ROE,先講好了,我不給你壓力,當然你不要扛這個責任,責任我們來扛,但之前要把它嚴明,要把責任畫得很清楚。第一個,人力、人才就是經費,當然有很多比較方法,人員尤其設施,軍中有很多不足的地方,剛剛委員有講到,哪怕有設施老舊也還沒有辦法強化,我們會做一個通盤檢討,再次跟委員做一個單獨的報告。 |
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因為聯合組戰圖像是我們一向來主張一定要共同,假如沒有共同性的話,到了指揮掌握,你看指引的目標可能不一樣,所以這我們也要持續來強化,很感謝委員給我們做的指導,我們後面持續來推動,向委員做回報。 |
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邱國正報告業務概況． |
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謝謝主席麻煩邱部長請邱部長召委好謝謝部長辛苦了我們在這個委員會這麼長久的時間我花幾秒鐘我謝謝剛才陳永康委員他下午還說受教就尋答都為了國家好 |
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我們在這裡質詢官員不是為了讓誰難看甚至於像徵訊犯人一樣不是 |
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我們就算不同黨派都是希望為了國家好所以該講那個聯合圖像的事情其實是很重要的武器越先進精準度越高入海空潛艦部隊你要打擊同一個目標說出來的那個誤差值差別如果大的話當然就會失去精準所以那是一個重要的非常重要的議題那我們也非常謝謝陳委員來到委員會所帶來的新氣象 |
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我們今天也聽到了談到這個邊線筆我還提了妥善率我自己從六聯隊退下來P3C跟E2P3跟E2那個參謀長先不用上來坦白講這兩個飛機對台灣很重要但是妥善率到底如何我覺得參謀長要好好掌握不只戰機整個戰力他不是只有我們看得到的F16 |
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一般人沒有注意到的我常講像海軍陸軍陸軍在地上走海軍出海好幾天看不到的其實也很辛苦整體的戰力很重要反潛的 |
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預警的他提供的C4ISR的平台的整合才有最前線官兵第一線看起來很刺激很炫麗的東西這個都很重要所以這些妥善率我覺得我們這個會期可以花點時間來看看各軍種那有的可能是經費問題我們常常投入大量的錢 |
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在採購先進武器卻疏忽了比方說陸軍一個單兵各兵一個步槍兵他需要的各裝錢不大但是效用很重要或者是妥善率的提升那個要作為費的 |
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我那麼多裝備進來之後裝備就算不用錢還是要作業維持費所以這些部分我覺得我們在委員會裡面可以就這些他也許聽起來沒那麼炫麗沒那麼華麗沒有那麼新聞性但他卻是我們整體國防力量扎實的事情所以這個一開始提這個我來問幾個我們現在進行的議題第一個 |
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這個總統改選其實是三軍統帥對我們國防部來講就是三軍統帥我是請教部長因為在2月19號已經責成蕭美琴副總統當選人來做所謂的交接小組的召集人那交接大家看到了以為是總統府的交接而已其實我個人認為在安全事項的交接其實比國之喜那一顆印章還重要因為那個是重責大任 |
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部長如果不方便講的我可以尊重目前是不是已經啟動了對下任三軍統帥的交接的彙報那又要無縫接軌縱使是同一個黨繼續執政這個交接蠻重要的部長目前有沒有這相關的作業進度 |
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我跟委員報告,因為我在軍中服務蠻久的,幾任統賽有跟諜,我們都有經歷過。我的印象就是說,有新任統賽要來之前,通常國防部會做一個很簡單的報告。但我後來跟他們講,你們做好準備,但我沒有積極去問,哪一天來,什麼時候來,沒有邀約,因為我也擔憂會造成誤會,好像我要把人拉過來幹什麼。 |
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邱部長不是一個求官的人,你很認真在做,有些事情就是一件事,山軍統帥要進入狀況,山洞的狀況,整體的狀況,我的意思是說我們現在國防部有備變了是不是?我們也做好準備,怎麼樣讓新任統帥了解,最短時間了解一般國軍整體的概況。開始進行相關的匯報了沒? |
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我跟委員報告一下,我們通常講說像今天下午做一個定期匯報有參與人員他會調,在這種當中對研究的依舊接觸,但不便講得很清楚但是我覺得我們國軍能夠做準備已經在準備當中,那現在要獲得哪邊要強化 |
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因為現在在進行相關的會議、軍談等等 |
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他其實也是另外一種形式的匯報這個我是覺得如果無縫接軌這樣是最順的部長我請教一下我們目前跟美方的安全議題上我把它抓了三個題目一個是我們到美國授訓從我們空軍去亞利桑那陸客到貨商或者早期的海軍陸戰隊會有一個排級單位到夏威夷這都公開資訊 |
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目前我們已經有兩個聯兵營到美國受訓一個是到密西根的聯訓中心甚至於還參加了北方打擊的一個聯合的軍演另外夏威夷專案是陸軍裝甲五四兩旅這個是大概跟M1A2有關係也到美國受訓了目前訓練的狀況有沒有掌握 |
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我跟委員報告,這都是一個雙方情報或者訓練交流的一環,委員會掌握跟報章登的,大家都知道實況目前有關陸軍準備概況,我請陸軍參謀長簡單說明我們現在是全建制過去授訓嗎? |
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跟委員報告你不變講就直接講不變講因為聽到兩國的默契我可以尊重這邊不方便去透露OK好那我接下來不變講的話請各位就主動提我覺得我們還是在一個原則在這裡質詢的跟被質詢的只有一個目標讓國家更好那現在就是說未來像這一種因為去可以跟其他國家有 |
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聯合演訓的機會台灣其實蠻缺乏這個那北方打擊根據美國那邊揭露的訊息北方打擊有好幾個國家參加這是難得的經驗那未來我們這樣子整建制的單位尤其聯兵營是一個最小的指揮單位跟以前排級聯級是不一樣甚至是培養未來高階的軍事將領非常好的機會未來這樣的營級單位的訓練有沒有計畫在擴大 |
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昨年我們因為狀況,我們能夠強化一定強化,因為這是經濟成本的影響,這下要看,譬如說人員這要多少,或者單位成績提高,這都在討論範圍以內。 |
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目前還是兩個贏嘛那我接下來請教過去我們常會有一些總職教官我印象邱部長也到美國讀過嘛就我們派些人到美國Virginia你好像是名人堂的校友然後到西點啊到哪裡到Annapolis常會我們發一個情形學了新觀念的總職回到台灣總職會遇到困難 |
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水土會不服文化會挫折那現在整建制去美國受訓整個營去整個營回來未來這些回來的單位他是會成為總之教官出去還是他這個單位還就是一個新式訓練的單位全建制回來還是維持原單位我們目前計畫是什麼 |
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報告委員,這兩種都有,他既然去受過訓,但他的經驗比我們一般沒有出去的人要多一點。但我原來有講到,有些受完訓回來以後不能適應來幹什麼,主要原因在什麼?因為我出國受訓過,我知道他們的心態,所以我一直跟他們講說,你不管國外再好,人家再強大,你不要忘了你的腳站在哪裡? |
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所以這一句話我覺得好像跟大家都適用所以說人員他是接受的訓練他經驗豐富回來以後我們不管他派到其他單位去做一個施肢或在原單位維持的戰力都可以做但目前我們都樂見嘛那個水土不服有時候造成人才的是不會浪費掉我倒覺得一個新訓單位回來以後越來越多的新訓單位那我們的戰力會提升嘛我最後借兩分鐘問 |
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美國特戰部隊 |
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大概是要去參加什麼樣的活動他不會來遠足啦也不是去郊遊就整台卡車載著往上陣跑這樣子那現在美軍在台灣最近有個話題是美國的海軍陸戰隊是不是永久駐台那五角大廈是沒有否認也沒有承認他就不評論然後呢之前有一次比較特別的是蔡英文總統去澎湖看我們的應該是陸軍的我們的特種部隊 |
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那那個聯合的演訊上面的說明的科目上面有綠扁帽的部隊在裡面那通常我們的默契是可以揭露的大概就是雙方默契允許的否則那個科目表上不會把它寫那麼清楚在澎湖那一次那有提到海報啦有提到安和旅等等 |
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目前美軍在台灣的人員其實應該是相當多但是身份不像大家講的就是駐軍在這裡比方說最近剛通過的軍購案Link 16有人講Link 16就沒有Link 22其實不是啊Link 22就是在Link 16北約在海軍上面往上加的他其實是 |
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有雷同的部分就Link16之後他要派400個人來200個軍職200個契約商嘛那這200個就是顧問那另外呢我們之前I3 |
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也會有5年期的計畫相當多的軍事技術顧問常駐台灣5年這個都是揭露過的訊息我才在那邊提所以目前部長我請教美方相關的軍事人員在台灣數量跟以往比起來是不是有相當大的增加 |
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我跟委員報告基本上這都在一個交流的一環人數沒有什麼增減的問題但他來的平次會比較增加平次是來來去去我現在講的是我講的是比如說進駐一年期的五年期的沒有進駐的部隊我這絕對可以肯定他沒有進駐部隊他來有參加什麼協定他做哪個科目給他的經驗給予我們做一個說明這對我們來講是有幫助的 |
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邱國正報告業務概況：完整會議 |
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會不會用到? |
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接下來進行詢答委員 洪森漢委員我們待會林益君委員詢答結束後林柱英委員也在這裡林益君委員詢答後我們休息5分鐘我們現在請洪森漢委員請邱部長來 部長請洪委員好 |
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部長今天想要跟你請教一下關於這個我們在全社會動員上面的事情喔那部長這個全社會動員就廣播角度來說這是軍的事還是民的事這是全面的軍民都有的軍民都有嗎那部長我想請問目前我們的這些動員計畫目前準備的到什麼程度 |
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委員所的程度是怎麼樣?到底能夠層級還是到...就是目前我們的動員的計畫準備到哪裡了?就是目前準備的內容的狀況大概進度到什麼地方?那部長你覺得對於現在的準備的狀況你滿意嗎? |
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那部長你覺得落實是不是需要紮實的演練跟驗證? |
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國防部長邱國正 |
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那你現在要來演練這個是不是要打仗了是不是現在這個兵兇戰危之類的這樣的疑問的時候我們在擴大演練的時候當遇到社會可能有部分的政治人物部分的媒體就用這種方式來質疑的時候我們自己心裡就會有一點質疑就是說不想要被認知為是不是現在就要打仗了所以在要去擴大演練就會有所質疑坦白說這是我 |
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國防部長 |
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這個循環下來就會有媒體就會有某些人就會開始說哎呀你們現在講準備好這都是漁勇就開始扣這個帽子是漁勇我自己有點擔心這件事情所以部長我這邊想要請問的事情是說就你或者是包括白署長我們全社會動員這一個我們設成另一個權動署我們的目的是什麼 |
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我先跟委員報告全民發言動員所用意就讓我們軍民有這個概念動員工作不光是完全軍事動員包含民力的、物力的而這民力物力的所管理的部會不完全是軍方所以你看經濟部、內政部、交通部通通會、納入、農委會等等什麼原因?就是因為這是一個全民的當成立的用語價值委員 |
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邱國正報告 |
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所以這對我來講也是個訓練,要推動人員工作,更加要注意到協調溝通,而且要溝通要靠邊組的,不是我軍方去協調,這我們就叫全民防衛動力組成立的,這也是平常要工作的範疇之一。 |
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要做這種工作之前一定要協調溝通部長我同意這裡面會有很多協調整合的工作但我覺得有一個環節是在剛剛講的關鍵環節是說我覺得我們要讓社會很清楚知道我們為什麼要來做這個全社會動員的意義在什麼地方我們要讓大家知道其實就像部長之前剛剛有講到我們要做最壞的打算跟最好的準備 |
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我們要把大家國人的防衛信心給建立起來甚至防衛信心的意志建立起來以後能夠讓我們設想可能會來侵犯我們的人知道就算也許你可以傷害我們但你很難拿下我們你很難真的控制整個台灣這個政府這個社會你很難所以他開始會回過頭想那成本很高我是不是要來做這件事情我覺得我們要讓社會知道 |
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這一個我們要做全社會動員的目的在什麼地方這是一套論述不然我覺得我們常常會遇到社會開始質疑說是不是打仗了是不是兵兇戰為然後我們自己就我覺得就有一點心虛尤其是我剛才說的在社會領域的動員上面更是這樣因為也許你們漢光練習也許你們在 |
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軍方的演習還好你們覺得在軍方內部做可是社會動員你們會去動員到很多社會的環節覺得會影響民心或等等等的這些事情我自己覺得現在我們在全社會動員上面對社會的論述不夠清晰所以很容易受到現在大眾或媒體一有之一我們就會怕怕的 |
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我們就不敢做或者在思考是不是減少規模可是這循環下來就變成是一個負面的循環因為不做紮實的演習我們就沒有辦法確認我們準備好沒有辦法準備好的話我們就影響到底我們實質的準備的能力如何所以部長這是我現在擔心的事情所以部長我自己是希望說我們接下來尤其是我們全社會動員我們可能會越做越深 |
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我們會越做越廣這是必然的所以我剛剛說的這個質疑也一定會出現甚至我都說我們其實現在在立法院裡面就有一些委員會用這種方式來去對這個事情提出質疑或者是削弱我覺得我們不能在這個環節怯弱我們不能在這個環節質疑但不質疑的要做的準備是我覺得我們要跟社會講清楚我們做這件事情的目的是什麼東西 |
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部長你覺得?我覺得委員講的很有道理但我要跟委員做個說明信息是我個人是沒有信息的問題但我知道會造成我們執行單位為了避免把標準降低我們已經有看到這種狀況是的確這會有但我現在跟同仁怎麼講話 |
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這也就是訓練啊我們訓練把這個人找來以後要很短時間讓他進入狀況最好的方法是什麼做個樣本給他看而這個樣本是我們在做我們做好了以後對我們幹部來講你要如何讓樣本推動那就多溝通這也是訓練的課題之一啦部長我同意但我提醒一個事情是我因為去年我們在選舉過程裡面其實我們政府喊出一句我覺得很重要的口號 |
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備戰才能止戰部長你也同意嗎甚至我們很多在野黨的領袖他也講了說備戰不求戰我覺得概念是差不多的包括柯文哲主席他也講備戰不求戰我覺得概念是差不多的我覺得我們應該從這個概念發展出我們為什麼要做全社會動員的目的是什麼讓大家清楚所以當大家有疑問的時候信心受動搖的時候或受到各種訊息去影響的時候至少大家心裡知道 |
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不應該是這樣想的我們應該反而是做好準備這是為了什麼目的我覺得這一整套的說法目前我說實話我覺得在現在全社會動員的計畫裡面我比較沒有看到跟大眾的溝通包括我們的論述而且這可能也是認知上面必須攻防作戰的一個部分所以部長我自己有幾個提醒我覺得這方面強化 |
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這個論述的討論我比較能夠強化我們防衛的信心我自己是建議說我們是不是應該來邀請一些同樣關心台灣防衛安全的朋友也許學者專家也許民間團體甚至一些政治部門一起來討論我們要怎麼來討論全社會動員要給社會什麼樣的訊息目的是什麼東西我覺得這一環做到好我們心裡才不會怕怕的我們才有辦法真的能夠把演練跟驗證給做好 |
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才會有真正的防衛信心部長你同意嗎我很同意我很感激委員給我一些啟示就是說我的確在要不要專家學者我認為需要在座課題研討很浪費時間但委員就提得很好多方面 |
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這不是只是軍方自己想的,我覺得不是軍方,尤其跟社會動員有關的事情我了解,的確我們把這當一個重要課題,我請全方位動員署把他納進去以後要做一個工作推動前,一定要經過大家研討,充分溝通對我們來講也是一個訓練,對整體來講也是一個訓練部長這部分麻煩你們,因為我覺得這部分很關鍵,不然我們全社動員怕反而 |
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因為演訓國軍強大 因為國軍強大才不會兵凶戰危 |
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主席林柱英委員 |
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謝謝主席 主席有請邱部長邱部長請林委員好 |
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部長早在跟您詢答之前我想先問一個ABC的問題但請您放心這個不是一個什麼陷阱題因為剛剛其實我在認真看你的業務報告的時候特別有提到要反認知作戰要堅定軍民的心防其實剛剛前面的很多委員問到了非常多的部分包括我們要增強我們的實力那所以實力的部分當然就是軍備的部分軍備實力要堅強 |
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所謂備戰才能止戰另外當然就是國軍的素質要提升這樣子在新式作戰當中我們才能夠搶得機先但是我剛剛對於您講的有一句話我非常感動是當這些受訓的軍人最後要回頭想一想自己站在哪裡我覺得這是最重要的那麼 |
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我相信政黨會輪替我從以前在跑新聞的時候大家都講了軍隊國家化其實軍隊是國家的所以說現在民進黨執政軍隊不是民進黨的 |
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未來如果換了另外一個政黨他當選了總統軍隊也不是那個政黨的所以軍隊是國家的不知道部長您認不認同我完全認同而且我跟委員多講幾句我一直很感激感激什麼感激慶幸我自己身為軍人因為軍人沒有這個黨派的問題我一直從這一方面去走的 |
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這是一位現役,現在當然他已經不是了 |
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他曾經寫下的字條他說他在此宣誓支持兩岸和平統一效忠祖國一旦兩岸發生戰爭本人會在自己的工作崗位上盡自己的能力為祖國效力完成和平統一的光榮使命他姓向部長您知道他是誰嗎我知道他是誰好我只能先委員官有沒有問我先下定論是無恥可恥好 |
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因為這個完全是打擊了國軍的信心而且就像您剛講的這一位在服役的過程當中他竟然可以立下誓約就您所說的就是個無恥之徒但是 |
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當法院起訴他的時候竟然用的是貪污治罪條例他向中共宣誓但是大家就想這個判決天哪是不是我們的檢察官不知道用錯了法律不是是因為如果說他對對方宣誓了投降承諾書但是這張投降承諾書只能用貪污治罪條例才能判他重罪因為我們現行的法規當中不論我們收了多少的國安法 |
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他頂多就是只能用一個5年以下的有期徒刑所以其實我時間有限我想問部長看到像這樣的狀況的時候只能用貪污來辦他我知道我們民進黨也有一些委員在接受訪問問到這個案子的時候他提到的是說其實不只是國軍會被簽署所謂的這個投降同意書效忠別的國家 |
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﹗ |
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﹗ |
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那麼刑期不夠重當然就有人膽敢立下這種誓約所以部長您怎麼來看是不是洛海空軍刑罰也必須要有所修正我特別看了這一次的業務報告在第19跟21也有提到 |
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現在目前為止只打算修正的是陸海空軍的懲罰修法草案以及軍人權益的相關的處理法案在我指出這樣的問題之後部長覺得我們國防部是不是也應該要拿出應有的態度呢 |
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我跟委員報告,剛剛講到無恥可恥是很心痛的事,但法規定在這個地方,我不想無奈,我們也很期望去講說軍刑法能夠恢復然後執行,像剛才講到這一條,它前面一開始有個前提,它未遂的才會5個月以上,5年以下,它以遂的話,國防委員看到槍決,處死刑案 |
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對,但我不能講,因為我自己個人認為,我就好像咬地,法有一定程序,我們要一步一步趕,我們也期望講說這些人民受到最嚴厲的制裁,不但有懲罰他的作用,還有警告我們國軍同仁,大家要齊心一意,而且更讓國人知道我們國軍的向心力是絕對基於法,而且基於本身內心發出來的,效忠國家的,不會再有這種事情。 |
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法定人數不足 |
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去修正相關的法令因為如果你用所謂的預備預謀只有6個月以上5年以下有期徒刑我想在這裡包括在場的大家也都不希望戰爭發生嘛對不對 |
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那所以我特別提到的是說過去國軍對於陸海空軍的刑罰當中因為酒駕因為毒駕因為軍事造謠因為霸凌因為軍中賭博我們都可以來做修正這宣示著軍中對於這些行為他們所不能接受跟不能容忍但是就像剛剛我大前提的ABC我也請您回答的就是說如果國家的軍隊 |
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他所效忠的是另外一個國家不是中華民國是中華人民共和國的時候我覺得他的嚴重性肯定是放在第一個優先順序所以我期望部長今天這個議題討論了之後回去來演你是不是 |
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國防部要拿出態度因為沒有態度就是鼓勵就是縱容我相信您的重話也放在前面了但是至少行政院要有版本國防部要有版本至少重視這個命題好嗎因為我相信這個才是真正的我們剛剛前面講的不論是在戰備戰力武器人員素質提升心最重要不然 |
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我回到我剛剛我想要強調的是沒錯一旦真的投敵會處於死刑但是我必須強調我們不希望戰爭發生真的出現投敵的狀況所以請部長把這樣的一個想法帶回去演你可以嗎 |
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絕對要這樣做我跟委員報告我們真的很心痛有耐於法的規章我們好像眼看好像就是沒轍其實我個人我跟同仁講好多次我最痛恨就看這個人犯錯以後而我還沒有辦法我這口氣我都咽不下所以我絕對密切配合而且從眾來處理這些人員因為這最基本軍人要有一個品德軍人的武德在哪裡就在這個地方這個人守不住一切免難 |
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最後不好意思主席我用最後一點時間是因為今天早上因為有因為將領同車然後無法抵達現場的狀況其實最新的即時新聞已經出來了那麼媒體朋友呢他們當然很專業不過呢他們點出了一個問題就是說這個國防部的BUS在大直有出了一點狀況那麼以至於呢他們看出了一個問題是說讓這麼多重要的國軍將領在同一個BUS上那麼會不會有所謂在同一個BUS上面 |
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每個一輛車或幾個一輛車你看這個交通流量為何多方面考量這個好意我也很感激我們以後會斟酌 |
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主席主席 |
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不過這倒是一個問題也許分成兩巴就折衷單一架的話各位都是重要的軍事將領到最後只有一個腳受傷的存活下來這問題很大對對對剛才提到這是一個好問題就是說安全是時刻需要我跟在場的同仁跟國防部大家討論一下 |
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因為剛才說林益君委員巡達完我們休息五分鐘因為陳冠廷委員是我們本會委員到了我不知道部長需不需要休息我是不是把這休息五分鐘把它取消掉我們繼續各位有沒有意見你沒有問題啦那如果沒有問題的話我們剛才宣告那個休息五分鐘把它取消掉那經在場的同仁同意那我們現在進行巡達的委員是林益君委員 |
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主席好有請部長上台來部長請 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].start |
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林委員好部長好部長常年擔任保家衛國的重責年輕的時候留美然後又留學非洲擔任過退伍會的主委還有國安局的局長現在你擔任國防部長所以都在守護台灣人民的安全所以相信全國的人民都是有目共睹的 |
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然而目前國際的局勢其實十分的危險不安臺灣的國防安全更是危機重重我想請問部長全臺灣現在有幾條可以讓戰機起降的戰備道 |
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這五條戰備到過去進行了幾次實際的起降演練呢? |
| transcript.whisperx[311].start |
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在台海防衛戰中戰備道對於空軍的戰力其實是有非常重要的意義因為每次戰備道的開設其實都是非常的不容易 |
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當然我們要有機會,我們還是要把握,就演練,演練還是必要的 |
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一般我們會談到戰備道的起降就會想到瑞典、芬蘭和瑞士但是其實最近波蘭去年的時候為期有4天的軍事演習當中有4種不同的航空聯隊輪流在波蘭一條的戰備道上至少演練了12次的起降這跟台灣的過去戰備道起降的演練相比好像更加貼近實戰化請問部長你同意嗎? |
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我同意但是我們國情的狀況委員也應該能夠了解我們國情從來不規避說麻煩不做這越麻煩我們越要做麻煩當中就訓練出我們怎麼樣來從事準備的項目這都是正面的 |
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國防部的努力和難處其實本席都可以了解但是本席還是希望國防部要努力讓這種演練盡可能的貼近實際的情況像國防部昨天開始執行的跨職業的飛行訓練不是也頂著可能被居民罵的壓力嗎來做了夜間的作戰訓練嗎雖然本席也是曾經被民眾陳情反映過 |
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但是針對這件事情本席還是希望非常支持國防部的做法只是要如何讓民眾了解還有做好敦親睦鄰的工作這個可能就是要考驗國防部的智慧了 |
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的確我們還要強化跟持續民間的溝通地方的諒解但我們也會來把我們儘量的減少對這個民眾的干擾在這邊還有兩點要呼籲部長的就是第一個就是戰備道的起降應該要強化性的納入軍事演習 |
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不要怕麻煩因為平常多流汗戰爭的時候就會少流血第二個是戰備道的起降的演練要盡可能貼近實戰化盡可能往最壞的狀況去想定去演練不要永遠都是一樣的劇本在重操演練 |
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另外想請問部長,我們東部第6條的戰備道聽說已經開始傳聞很久了,但為何到現在都還是紙上談兵呢?直到前兩天開始又傳出有新的路段,請問部長這一次是不是真的會去做呢? |
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國防委員報告,其實我剛好也跟所有在場的人做個說明,國軍戰備跑道不是因為要建戰備跑道才要建這個路,而是因為地方政府相關部會要建一條路,我們國軍參與HLA這一點還蠻平整的,稍微拓寬土質把它給改善一下,就可以列為戰備跑道。所以這個工作沒有停,加上地方政府或者哪一部會覺得這個地方在環評有問題,他停了我們也就停了。 |
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好沒有關係在東部開設戰備跑道有兩個好處因為有中央山脈的屏障所以暫時相對的西部的戰備道其實存活性會比較高第二因為人口的密度低所以演習時間會開設戰備道對交通的影響也比較小所以想請部長一定要努力促成花東地區戰備跑道的建設好的我絕對努力對國軍有利對好謝謝 |
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部長最近我們有我國有第一艘自建的潛艦海昆號終於在移動到臺船的乾污的過程中露出了它的全貌那我們臺灣其實可以自行研發潛艦其實這是非常辛苦的肯定是我們外界很難想像的想請問部長海昆軍艦的潛望鏡還有軌桿還有電瓶的安裝完成了嗎 |
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已經完成才能夠做播廣那海昆劍現在的進度到底是在建造階段的末端還是已經 本期提醒一下如果涉及機敏報告的話不可以在這邊討論了但是有些工作他已經以封殼就代表他的功能已經具備了那我就是說一下就是我們海昆劍的測試工作就是要穩穩的做千萬不要受到任何的政治干擾可以嗎 |
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謝謝委員 |
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海虎軍艦人員落水的意外已經完成事故調查了是嗎 |
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人員還在搜尋當中但是有調查處調查海軍要說明一下好沒關係那請問部長你同不同意國防部有責任必須向社會做一個完整的交代呢所以我先跟委員報告任何事情發生都是遺憾國防部難辭其咎但我們檢討問題是從三方面環境機械跟人為環境當時環境不好 |
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軍艦人員落水事件來龍去脈要好好交代清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].start |
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美國海軍在過去幾年啊比較嚴重的海上事故都有公開非常詳細的事故調查報告我覺得像美軍這種透明公開的做法其實可以破除很多質疑也可以讓社會還有讓大家更相信軍隊 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].start |
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所以本席還是呼籲部長試著出一份事故調查報告內容長短沒有關係至少要能夠更清楚的破除所有的質疑這樣民眾才會對軍隊更加的信任所以我們有調查以後經過一個公正單位他們認定的我們是自然會公開但委員那邊其實需要的話我請海軍跟委員做說明 |
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本席提醒部長一下,我們對美國採購的400枚陸基魚車飛彈為何到目前還是延遲交貨的狀況呢?可不可以請部長務必持續向美國方面傳達台灣防衛需求的急迫性呢? |
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有關魚叉飛彈的部分 |
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他一直都按照現在的進度在走但是包含接裝的訓練還有其他的部分我們也跟美方一直在積極爭取進度有沒有延遲沒有延遲 |
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那國防部如果說一直在努力這樣的話那到時候如果看看進度的情況然後再來書面報告還是我們再來好謝謝林議軍委員部長請回那林委員如果關心海倉我們未來也許海倉可以用個秘密專報的方式了解現在海倉就是海昆號那一個工廠的進度到時候再跟你匯報謝謝好部長請坐 |
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接下來進行詢答的委員是鄭天才委員時間5分鐘主席各位委員有請部長來部長請鄭委員好部長好 |
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國防部有在規劃要興建在台東花蓮的戰備跑道嗎?不是我剛剛講不是我們規劃因為花蓮的地方要有一條路公路啊他當初不管地方政府或相關部委他認為有評估有這個必要所以要建一條路那國軍的戰備跑道這段路某一段蠻直的只要稍微做一個強化 |
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部長這個要等花東快速道路完成之後才可以蓋戰備跑道我不反對但是要等花東快速道路以現在的台九線不可能啦第一個第二個 |
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在台東有自航機場在花蓮已經有加山基地了還有民軍軍用的機場也有在花蓮所以這個部分所以這個在回答的時候真的是要要很謹慎 |
| transcript.whisperx[338].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[338].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[338].text |
很像要打仗啊不要產生這樣的一個作為國防部長要止戰我們要避戰要止戰對不對要避戰好這個部分重點還不在那邊啊你看我們志願役兩年一七千人離任連軍人都沒有啊對不對這我已經執行過很多次了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[339].text |
這個數字是112年的今年的數字你們再補充一下這個軍官士官士兵就這麼少的人了志願役所以這個第113年度的再提供數字資料給我可以補充嗎還是你現在可以唸出來 |
| transcript.whisperx[340].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[340].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[340].text |
我沒有搞懂啦,我們再去了解,剛剛委員講的一定要等到那個路啊,怎麼樣,我剛剛已經講過,這個路是經過...不是,因為剛才前面的委員,他質詢說讓城市趕快蓋,所以我說現在還不適合蓋沒有,我們沒有預設立場,一定是經過一段程序完成 |
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| transcript.whisperx[341].text |
但是現在媒體一直報導這個部分啊不要影響民心啊在媒體也有反對的哦媒體也有反對的我看到也有對所以不要影響民心所以我只是建議部長答覆也很謹慎我不知道我哪邊答覆有問題還是會造成什麼樣的我沒有啊因為前面的委員說要趕快蓋有需要因為有專案上面 |
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那個擋住所以這個部分你要回應的時候要很謹慎我的意思我沒有別的意思只是要很謹慎這樣好不好因為我要進來之前媒體就一直問我 |
| transcript.whisperx[343].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[343].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[343].text |
剛才有媒體問我,我的想法也一樣,我想說有道路我們才看,可以來借戰備跑道,不要反過來。剛才你要這樣講,要很好,要回答,所以我具體建議,有了花東快速道路之後,再來,很適合。 |
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9622.833 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].end |
9624.615 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].text |
我提了很多次志願役的士兵 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[345].end |
9677.601 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].text |
實領的薪資待遇真的是偏低的不能只是靠那個軍公教調薪的時候不能只靠這個要具體的解決要提出新的薪資待遇的一個計劃要特別提出來我已經提了好幾次所以這個部分你最好的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[346].end |
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再一次經過經過經過我不反對啊但是再怎麼精良的 |
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不管是飛機還是什麼槍包彈藥還是什麼艦艇都一樣都要有非常精良的士兵才有辦法所以那個一屋一一年也不夠啦以前我們兩年也不夠啊現在何況才一年所以志願役的薪資非常的重要 |
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所以這個部分真的是要以這個勞工基本勞工來平均薪資都不如啊這個我已經提過很多次這個相關的那個部門真的要提出來部長你要交代要指不然的話一直停擺在這邊 |
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趙英管制法第17條110年1月20號公布施行這個部分我就以治航機場為例治航機場啊 |
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本來我們的部落在裡面啊因為蓋自航機場把它移到自航機場的桌邊每天啊每天要聽噪音啊所以補償啊現在沒有過去只有那個什麼弄那個隔音設備啊什麼那些而且是十幾年才隔音設備才補助一次啊現在改了 |
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可以用補償可以用補貼用經費直接補而且應該每年補啊週一是每天啊 |
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接下來進行詢答的委員是陳冠廷委員 |
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那我們請部長來部長請 |
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村委員好部長好那本期先向國防部致意那在這幾個禮拜那國防部提供很多一些資訊在本期在資訊之前那我們有良好的互動那這段期間國軍在這幾年他不但提高防禦能力之外那對於降低情勢我相信我也肯定部長的作為特別在一些重大的狀況出現的時候那部長謹慎的發言對台海的情勢都是很大的幫助 |
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所以這方面我覺得一定要來肯定一下因為同時堅守我國的立場但是不挑釁給我們的民眾帶來和平安穩的生活這是非常重要的我想這也是國防部這幾年很努力在做到的居民溝通那這一次的質詢也是居民溝通的一個很重要的部分那很多民眾關心國防的民眾也會透過這樣子的方式來知道國防部未來對我們戰略的一些具體的做法 |
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還有一些國防部跟我們民眾生活相關的部分我們也希望再透過這次質詢能夠得到一些意見首先我是想針對國防部的這些跟對國家的警報的具體做法我想大家應該很清楚的知道說去年的今年的1月9號那中共有發射衛星 |
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那有飛越台灣南部上空那當時我國有發布國家級警報那我想很多民眾當時都有拿到這樣子的訊息那那個時候有一些討論那討論不見得都是負面也有正面也有負面但是我們必須要知道說 |
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向人民說明警報的標準是什麼統一的應變程序是什麼讓民眾能夠更加清楚的知道相關的資訊接收到資訊之後相關的導引也非常重要他知道民眾下一步要做什麼這方面是不是可以請部長來簡單跟我們說明一下 |
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我跟委員報告,雖然1月份發生這個事情造成很大的誤解,我們也依據實況來做個檢討改進的,以後發布,我們現在有改變最具體的做法,只要這個美方它有個聯邦太空的單位,它一公布了,我們也接公告,但我們要不要發警報就看,因為它公告是一個經緯度,發射地點經過哪裡,它有經緯度,越越這個範圍了,跟我們研判,有偏差了, |
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我們就發警報,這個做法沒有變內容我們也在強化,這是第一個第二個,發了以後至於這個一般的民眾要怎麼做這個我想我們為了要成立這個全民防衛動員署的這是一個災害防救一種作為以後災難來了,民眾要怎麼處理所以這個警告就等於已經可以表達這些加劇化請民眾進入什麼掩蔽物啊等等這個我們可以加進去了但是要考量到 |
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謝謝部長我之所以問這個問題是因為國家警報的重要度還有它的平凡性可能會引起民眾的一些擔憂所以 |
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我們必須要在真正在迫切需要立即做處置的時候才有相關的指引這樣民眾才不會過於擔心我想這方面不僅是國防部跟其他的部門跟防災相關的應變天災也都在裡面那我希望是能夠有更完整的跨部會的討論 |
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國防部創新部長 |
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部長這個美國的國防創新委員會那其實之前我也跟國防部的同仁有稍微討論過那他是獨立於提供美國國防部長相關的建議的一個委員會那他的組成包含商業啊研究機構啊學界一些重要的像google的前執行長那個艾力克史密特也是其中的一員 |
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這些重要的商業科技巨頭我認為是可以提供國防部非常及時的質詢為什麼這麼說因為我們也知道說現在的資訊的傳播還有這些技術的進步已經是超越我們想像的那國防部包含美國國防部也是一樣 |
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想要做革新想要更快速的裝備想要更快速的採用民間的技術或者釋出軍用的技術給民間其實都是需要更快速的方式快速裝備快速部署那作為一個公民一個平民因為我們不是軍人那我們當然是希望說國防部能夠用更快的速度來去協助我們相關的商業科技人才的組合所以我想要請教部長您怎麼看這樣子的委員會 |
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我覺得這一個很好一個委員會,不管怎麼樣,它從不同的角度提供它的國防部,跟我們一樣我們有很多智庫,但能夠提供給國防部的話,一定是有所本的。我們依據它研究出來的結果,我們要中盤來檢討,但對我們整體來講,一定是正面幫助的,多方的意見。 |
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可是因為我看到我們過去好像有類似的像國防科技發展的這個推行會那他好像是由副部長來做召集 |
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那他是要結合民間發動這種國防科技的工業加速這些國防的這些自主等等的可是他好像在109年就沒有運作了,可以請問一下原因嗎?還有運作嗎?有沒有運作?109年就沒運作了 |
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國防部國科會、經濟部推動先進科技,對這些基礎研究,我們都有7大學院中心,持續在推展中。 |
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國防創新委員會 |
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其實在這個美國的這個國防創新委員會裡面他不僅是有AI相關包含生物化學的技術等等這一些不只是商業不只是研究等於是各行各業的最top的人才都有機會給國防部部長諮詢 |
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那我認為這對國防部的創新也好或者是一些把這些最新的資訊納入我都認為是有幫助的所以很誠摯的希望部長能夠思考一下有沒有相關的可能性那特別是台灣現在的這個台海的戰略我們的台灣的重要性是增高的所以國防部不僅僅是國防的一環還有其他的相關產業其實都是很重要的一環是不是可以請國防部部長來相關的這些討論可以開始 |
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是,絕對啊,因為剛剛我一開始表達,各方的意見或資料提供給我們,都是多方面參考的一個依據嘛。有時候多段參考,它自然會有進步。那剛剛那個軍備局副局長講的,它雖然好像可能國防部在某一方面沒有主導,但還是一直在參與的。 |
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現在因為大家資源共用嘛不要各部會都成立一個好像什麼智庫這智庫只要有關的大家都能夠相互參考委員剛剛提的我絕對願意啊能夠幫助能夠參與我絕對參與然後得到資料以後我們做一個參考非常感謝部長因為我們希望有快速的去創新是我們對於挑戰的一個最好的方式那因為我們加哈伊地區有民雄航太園區所以對於這樣子的我們國防 |
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我希望未來特別針對非重大的都市就六都以外的這些縣市能夠多辦這些說明會其實很多的這些產業產商都不見得是在六都裡面 |
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接下來進行詢答委員是羅志強委員時間5分鐘 |
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主席有請部長部長請 |
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國防部長 前幾天您到立法院來備詢 受訪時對外表示 坦言擔憂兩岸敵意螺旋升高 所以希望能夠避免戰爭 因此從未挑起或挑釁 不過如何用平和的方式來處理 不光是軍方做決定 還涉及政治跟外交 |
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軍事是政治的延長,那政治有很多作為軍事不宜貿然躁進那我認同部長您說的這一段話那最近大家確實有很多人擔心兩岸的敵意不斷的升高我看到那個趙春山教授也說拖越久兩岸敵意螺旋持續上升所以如果大陸要對台灣動武一點也不驚訝那我想請教部長你為什麼覺得兩岸敵意會升高呢 |
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因為我是多年看到這個狀況分年我在自己做內心一個衡量比較以前沒有了現在都發生了而且以前他也沒有講不承認中信不承認這個那個他竟然講出來那這不就是一個 |
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先把您在國防部的業務上所看到的吧你就覺得過去有些他們沒有做的現在都做了是不是那比方說第一個是什麼比如說以前好像那個出海空中或海航這個兵力他平時然後他的距離 |
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﹚廣告 |
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所以我想部長也是在等於是為國家守衛安全的第一線所以親身感受到這一個敵意螺旋上升的一個激戰那我想請問您就說您覺得目前政府端有哪些方式還有可能去降低敵意螺旋的呢 |
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我講了軍事政治延長政治層面有很多問到我我提供意見沒有問到我的話我就強化我的戰備但是一切我們還是那句話就算提出意見他們也很清楚接受我提意見的人也很清楚不宜貿然挑起任何戰端這是大家共有共識這是絕對沒問題的 |
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那趙春山教授所擔心的話就是動武也不意外你覺得目前的走向會有這個跡象嗎往動武的方向走嗎這趙教授我們也我也很敬佩他以前也接觸過他這按照這個常理來推嘛因為螺旋脈身高了而且很多的意外的狀況萬一擦槍走火雖然再克制但難免萬一擦槍走火的話 |
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我有一個感觸,我剛才從質詢陸委會過來 |
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那我真的是這邊誠摯的希望就是說我們政府其他尤其跟兩岸有關的部門的部會能夠多跟我們的邱部長你請教因為我覺得事實上您的很多比較能夠去比較和緩收縮就是說能夠去當然也要顧住我們的國家安全的尊嚴的前提之下 |
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那我覺得您的一些擔憂能不能也適時的傳遞給我們現在的行政團隊那我覺得目前看到有些做法上的話我覺得我是蠻肯定您目前對於就是兩岸之間的問題的一個處理的態度那我希望能夠也讓你這個態度不會是只有國防部或是您個人的態度也希望是政府來處理現在兩岸不斷衝突的一個態度那希望部長您能夠再加油一下 |
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因為以前實際上比較沒有面對所謂第一級的問題因為兩岸關係在之前相對比較和緩 |
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我跟委員報告當初的定第一期要由部長來決定要反制的命令是當初在湯部長他為了承擔責任 |
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我們現在改的第一集通常一聽到第一集不外乎槍砲飛彈這叫第一集但我們在目前環境變化灰色地帶這種洗澡我們看到它方法很多不見得開槍開砲所以我就把它界定為什麼只要是一個航空器材或者海航的一個實體 |
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我們預願我們的規範,譬如說我們借稅,我就把它當作他發起的第1級。他現在發起第1級,那我們就有權利針對他的第1級我們做反制。所以我們沒有第1級的問題,我們只有反制的問題。好,謝謝部長。謝謝羅志強委員,部長請回。我們的接戰的規範到目前還是機密。 |
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第一集定義應該是羅委員問的第一集定義,但是我們截然的規範是機密我印象我們在國防委員,包括我們本會委員都沒辦法問這個問題好,謝謝接下來進行詢答委員是李博義委員,時間5分鐘謝謝,我們請國防部邱部長邱部長 |
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部長首先對您表達捍衛中華民國領土領海的辛苦對您表達敬意其實我從內政委員會過來從禮拜一到今天其實不外 |
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一直在提到今夏海域海巡執法的過程造成意外的事件雙方溝通以及現況的局勢造成可能兩岸現在中國方面想要藉此讓情勢更加緊張一點那所以說在海巡方面呢他已經收到很多包含他們的這個 |
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國防部在這一方面的監控我想會更加的緊張包含對岸把這個M503航線再往東靠一點的話 |
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那我們對於我們整個防衛反應的這個時間不斷的縮短的情況下但我們又是不挑釁但我們又是堅守這個必須要兩岸和平的這個狀況下我想部長有沒有什麼指示要對於包含我們海巡人員以及我們海軍以及我們陸海空三軍的相關的指示有沒有相關的變化 |
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我沒有對海軍有任何指示或指導,但我們有停產也在交流和溝通。我經常跟我同仁講的話,我也曾經跟海軍在某些幹部碰面時,我也跟他強調,國軍建軍跟備戰是不一樣的。建軍是未來,左眼與未來,要打什麼仗,要抽獲什麼武器,或產製什麼武器,那是未來。 |
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但我們現在面臨到的都是備戰的狀況備戰講現在有狀況了我們要怎麼處理但我們怎麼應對呢我們現在做法講的剛才委員也提到很多地方改變了改變那我們可能會遇到的狀況那就要把它列進去它改變了我們會有什麼狀況我們要推想設想的原因設想人員不是我部長來想 |
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第一線執勤的人員,你在執勤在雷達官通當中看到狀況以前沒有的,現在有了,你要列出來,列出來怎麼辦? |
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那就是大家要討論嘛這我就把它列為訓練的這一環這幫忙很大部長那我請問你剛提到這個對岸如果飛行器等等的這些如果有越過的話例如美國發生的這個空漂球那我們有沒有對應過如果有這個狀況它漂到澎湖來了我們要怎麼處理 |
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我這樣,空飄氣球我們一直在監控,它也看季節,而且它這個內容據我們了解,大部分都是碳空的,就測這個大氣上面這個不管溫度、天候變化、風、風向等等,我們看到以後不可能用飛彈去打美國好像是用飛彈打下兩個 |
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美國大概有它左眼,但我們會告知民航局,還有我們地面部隊,如果降下來了,在我們範圍以內該要把它擊毀,或者該要把它給拿下來,或者撿到了要交, |
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11018.592 |
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這都作為以後敵情研判一個很好的資料阿好謝謝部長我有做足這些準備齁那我身為高雄左營男子選上來的立法委員我還有除了這個國家安全之外我還有另外幾個地方建設的議題在3月1號 |
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11044.722 |
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院內跟陳建仁院長做質詢的時候也請教過部長當時是針對濱海聯絡道路新台17線的這個方案國防部的定案這個部長當時也已經給了明確的指示另外我也跟部長爭取包含未來也會在衛福部來爭取中海門往內移之後 |
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11061.455 |
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海軍總醫院未來可能會服務大量的這些包含左營跟男子大量的這些社區的醫療品質我們會跟衛福部來爭取相關醫療量能的提升這個在這邊也跟部長承諾我會繼續來爭取在這個 |
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海軍醫院往南有一個眷村文化保留園區是當時2006年高雄市政府跟國防部所爭取下來的海軍眷村文化保留園區目前也跟國防部在洽談有相關的一些合作 |
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包含可能未來河群新城會做委外的開發包含這個地方要建長照給旁邊的3個眷村的長輩們來使用這些跟港市政府也都密集的在進行當中這邊也讓部長來了解這個事情另外會有兩條路包含海龍路包含 |
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11106.432 |
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接下來進行巡檔委員王宏威委員時間5分鐘 |
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11165.901 |
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好,謝謝主席。我請那個邱部長。來,部長請。黃委員好。好,部長好。今天大家應該很多都在問你有關於驚嚇海域的爭議的問題。但是呢,我這邊要直接跟部長來談,就是有關於 |
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我們這個國防部相關的採購的問題因為大家都知道在去年的年底我們不是有弟兄啊從那個艦艇上從落海那在短短一個月後呢我們的海軍呢就採購這個落海警示器落海警示器 |
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那這個事實上不只是海軍需要因為空軍陸軍事實上都有需要而且在幾乎在同一個時間陸軍跟空軍也都做了採購但是我給部長看一下 |
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在陸軍和空軍採了公開徵求公開的採購但是在海軍的部分呢採用的是限制性招標而且以說這個有急迫性有急迫性來做限制性招標 |
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那這就有點奇怪了三軍都有同樣的需求採購也幾乎在同樣的時間分別的要招標為什麼獨獨海軍他要採取限制性招標這個是一個部分另外我也接獲投訴他寫得非常非常清楚 |
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說我們海軍採購是一萬兩千個 |
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那這裡採貢因為這個都已經是你們甚至都在媒體都報導是TB520那麼TB520呢他說一般的預轉時間是36小時他覺得很奇怪一般我們不說我們的救難時間是72小時黃金72小時那怎麼我們這個只有36小時因為現在市面上事實上是有這個時間更多的 |
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另外更重要的是,你可以看到在右邊的是我們採購的TB520,他在他的官網上,他的採購的價格,跟我們事實上呢,跟我們的實際的採購價格,價格差了。 |
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他都是美金啦他這是用美金差了大概六七千塊錢差六七千塊因為這個TB520他不是軍規他在網站上可以看到他根本是一般商用性的那所以在網站上價格比我們如果我們是採購一萬兩千個這個價格呢顯然我們是比他官網的價格多很多 |
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所以這樣子整個的採購的金額變成是多了六七千萬所以我在這邊因為我的質詢時間阿非常有限我想請部長能夠到時候可以問問包含陸軍空軍你們是怎麼採購的為什麼你們都公開招標我認為陸軍空軍的程序比較正常啦那海軍這個招標是怎麼回事 |
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因為很多這個招標相關的他都已經事實上媒體都有在相關的報導那當然數量的部分你們沒有對外很詳細的說明大概是一萬多個那我接獲爆料裡面寫的非常詳細他說是採購一萬兩千個就非常質疑這次採購為什麼 |
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海軍跟其他空軍陸軍不一樣所以部長在這邊能不能承諾我你回去可以找他們來談如果這裡面確實有這個招標有問題甚至上有人模不章的問題那麼該調查就調查該處理就處理可不可以 |
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報告委員報告,首先很感激委員提供這些資料,事實上國防部在做任何事情之前,累積以往經驗,得到一個答案,一切一定要按照依法程作為來做一個程序推動,這裡可能有原因,我也不是很清楚狀況。其實事實上我覺得海陸空如果都要的話根本不是不可以一起採購的。 |
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對,搞清楚之後,但是重點是絕對不要護短 |
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11460.178 |
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11483.714 |
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該處理就處理,該改進就改進,好不好?不要讓人家覺得很有鬼,這個一定是你們內部傳出來的,裡面寫得非常非常的詳細我跟委員報告多講一句話,我們國防部現在任何一個案子只要有違法的話我第一個動作,送法辦,其他程序照走,送法辦原因在哪裡?在我們國防部不吃案 |
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11485.494 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].text |
接下來進行詢答委員徐欣穎委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].start |
11505.912 |
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11514.999 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].text |
主席各位列席官員各位委員以及在場的大家大家好有請邱部長邱委員好部長好 |
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11526.072 |
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11552.953 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].text |
我們現在蘇丹紅造成的這個食安危機已經嚴重的讓整個社會非常恐慌那今天報紙的頭條也有看到我們各級有16縣市的地方政府已經要求學校的營養午餐禁止使用辣椒粉跟這個咖哩粉 |
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國防部在這一個 |
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實案危機的這個情況下有沒有下令禁止辣椒粉跟咖哩粉我跟委員先報告我們國軍有大概有21個還有25個25個復工站還有40多個這個叫福利站這裡面一切他這個作業流程 |
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我只請教您,這個部分,國防部有沒有措施,有沒有下令禁止?有下令,他只要...已經確定也不用?絕對拿掉了嘛,不管是福利算什麼...那OK,所以本席非常關心這個問題,那部長在這邊宣示,我們也放心,針對這個蘇丹紅事件那第二個,本席想請教部長 |
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11635.729 |
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3月5號中非南海的衝突那我們也看到媒體報導部長非常非常的擔憂非常非常憂心那面對這種衝突是不是有可能也發生在我們的這個 |
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11639.75 |
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臺灣我們的這個海巡跟我們的跟大陸的海警船也有可能造成兩岸的這種衝突部長怎麼看這件事您的憂心那你怎麼看待以及有什麼您覺得可以努力的 |
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我跟委員報告,憂心的原因在哪裡?這種案例可能隨時都會發生在我們身上,但憂這個。但是我們又看,有很多人家講他山之石可以攻錯,既然有案例要怎麼樣防處,反正也是給我們一個課題。 |
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11695.966 |
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這幾年當中,文貫從二屋戰爭也好,最近已經五個月的尾巴衝突,還有現在的狀況可不可以檢答?您覺得接下來,是您等於誰應該去跟對岸是不是應該降溫?您的看法是怎麼樣?降溫這個不是我們在做,但我們有做一個最好的打算,最快打算 |
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您們橫向聯繫有跟陸委會或是在行政院的院會會報上來討論這件事嗎或您提出您的憂心沒有因為它這個問題還是一個法的問題嘛政治層面的問題還沒有牽扯到我這邊來大家都有一個共識但是您的憂心您有沒有反映本席的問題是您的憂心您有沒有在 |
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11722.521 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].end |
11724.562 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].text |
今天本席在內政委員會陸委會好像還沒有這種共識 |
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11773.21 |
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所以我們就發現兩邱這個立場還有看待不同我們邱主委跟邱部長的看待不同但是我想您在整個的軍事戰略各方面還有兩岸情勢的研判有您的專業也是代表軍方所以我們也很希望說可以做這樣的一個溝通 |
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11778.764 |
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11802.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[439].text |
這個各部部會之間應該有橫向的聯繫我想部會平常在意到的一些事情這當然會有的但還沒有真正的議題做得那麼樣直接的一個溝通所以這個政治問題您也認為應該是陸委會要去溝通我不管哪個部會我們不管您不敢講不是不敢講不好講不是你這個人家想說這個輸也有專攻嘛是這個分層負責這應該是權責對我的權責就是我們怎麼樣來強化我們的準備 |
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11808.104 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].end |
11809.965 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].text |
接下來進行巡大委員賴世保委員 |
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11835.889 |
| transcript.whisperx[441].end |
11839.55 |
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謝謝主席以及各位先進有請邱部長來部長請代委員好那麼我我記得我在這裡跟你對話齁我剛才去找了一下你從2021年開始 |
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11859.619 |
| transcript.whisperx[442].end |
11859.859 |
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2020年講的不但嚴峻 |
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如果處理稍有不慎這個事態嚴重20222023你跟我的對話2023就是去年5月8號的新聞你跟我的對話我就問你那時候我問你首先兩岸關係緊張到什麼程度是不是到了A級你說沒有沒有B plus這個 |
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你可能忘記我都沒有忘記我忘了A級B級的嘛B Plus的耶阿你Google一下都有阿Google一下賴世寶邱國正我們兩個人對話在這裡我想那H是怎麼樣的狀況我要了解阿H就緊張了阿阿你說沒有沒有那麼緊張叫B Plus是這個意思 |
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你說沒有那麼緊張是B plus緊張你看大家有在緊張有些人還不緊張啊但我就軍方主委來講的話這已經瀕臨這狀態但並沒有變的兩岸的狀況是很嚴峻的我沒停掉膽的這沒有變的A級B級我覺得好像每個人界定不同但還是不離這個這個這個原意嘛就是是很緊張的就我主委來看一直很緊張的 |
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請問你一直很緊張是一直上來緊張一直上來還是說是頻頻的都是緊張是哪一個就看狀況嘛因為最近這些狀況不就上來一點嗎等下這狀況過以後會不會有其他狀況是往上提或往下降我不知道啊但我們就以現實來講的話現在狀況的確是很緊張一個處理不當的話我很擔憂是不是擦槍走火了會不會擦槍走火 |
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我們就不樂見會不會我也不知道你在2022你也講過2025年中國大陸具備全面犯台的能力這句話你講過這句話那現在還成立嗎?一樣成立他要犯台他隨時才一個沒有衡量所以我還強調一句話要慎戰謹慎的慎要謹慎他有這個能力了 |
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藝人他講說已經錯估了反正我打我給你教訓他沒什麼不能的這我制止不了我是認為他近幾天不會打啦我是這樣看的我怎麼看他都不會打會打的話就不是這個樣子這個倒是不需要太緊張那你說緊張好你晚上睡著好不好 |
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我就緊張啊,老百姓不緊張,我沒有一個戲謔的喔今天假如國防部長他一點都不緊張的話,大副委員你就要緊張啦,這要為了緊張我真的很緊張,但我不是一個戲謔的話緊張,晚上是睡得好,晚上睡得好嗎?我睡得不好睡得不好,需要吃藥囉,變成了剛才委員我說需要到吃藥的程度嗎?沒有沒有沒有吃藥 |
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委員會主席 |
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空軍閒置用地 憲兵開始搬進去啦!要成立一個憲兵營 500人的在我的刑區裡面 原來是空軍不要用了馬政府就這個地啊 不要用了這個空軍都搬走了 是空地現在呢 回來了 憲兵回來了開始 車輛要進來槍械要進來 炮彈要進來 油要進來 |
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開始準備要打仗了不是嗎這個我公務都有我公務都有你們這個要不要說明一下有這麼緊張嗎這怎麼會原來空地我們原來的我們的居民都好高興啦這裡面文山區有山多啦魂木多電線桿多軍營多啦啊軍營呢好不容易清了差不多啦好高興結果又跑回來了 |
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當然要緊張啊 我都聽你緊張啊來解釋一下請憲兵跟委員做為什麼要這樣什麼原因啊委員好 各位委員報告我們這個新德里營區這個部分是配合我們新興殯儀的一個編程那我們來做這個規劃來做進駐是不是增加一個憲兵營在這裡沒有到一個憲兵營 |
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邱國正報告業務 |
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當然你要睡不著覺睡不好覺啊這個都已經行動來證明了包括其他的說我們的這個訓練強度加強什麼地方各個點點滴滴我們都看到一點一滴都很緊張啊你們這種動作我們的居民都好緊張啊覺得說啊本來都搬走了欸好高興欸欸又搬回來了 |
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怎麼會這個樣子呢?本來不要用的,本來我們居民好高興喔,有塊地好幾公頃,這麼大的一塊地結果你們又用了,又拿去用了,當然緊張啊,怎麼不緊張呢?我跟委員報告,我請那個憲兵啊,你不是很清楚,我覺得...我跟委員報告,我請那個憲兵啊,我請那個憲兵啊,我請那個憲兵啊,我請那個憲兵啊,我請那個憲兵啊,我請那個憲兵啊, |
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要跟我們當地的居民講清楚我們大家期待好不容易我們的選區幾乎沒有均勻的現在又跑回來了 |
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這東西是活生生的啦,很緊張的啦!謝謝賴委員,謝謝賴委員各位先請回好,接下來進行詢答委員是陳廷輝委員、陳廷輝委員、陳廷輝委員不在邱志偉委員進行詢答,時間5分鐘5分鐘那個部長軍談時間會不會來不及 |
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那我們待會在邱委員質詢結束後由博鴻輝副部長代表好謝謝主席請那個邱部長部長請那個軍運局局長陸軍事務部參謀長處委員好這個部長這個我的選區在橋頭有一個這個所謂 |
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橋頭這個營區啊他主要做廢品的哈這個應該是第4地區支援指揮部新莊營區 |
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這個新莊營區這個佔地13公頃我大概前天去看過齁主要是說一些這個糧木啦一些這個補給品的儲房儲存然後大概有一些這個山君的啊這個在南部地區的這個廢品的儲存那這個營區這個營區啊13公頃啊住員大概50元啦齁那佔地13公頃那環境的維護就已經很吃力了 |
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那這個你也知道橋頭是有一個橋頭的科學園區未來高雄市發展的這個核心就是往北從南子到左營然後就是這個橋頭所以橋頭未來的科學園區還有很多公共設施甚至還有這個集合住宅需求還有供應的需求那這個營區 |
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有沒有可能能夠有更高強度的使用或者對文化景觀有更大的保存它是一個歷史建築歷史建物就是原日本海軍高雄通信所新莊分遣隊在鳳山也有一個海軍通信所它是本部然後這個在橋頭這個所謂新莊分遣隊收信所它是一個分部但是它同時候這個建造的 |
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所以他是一個被評定成這個歷史監務歷史監務這些有效保存嘛那我看去現場看哇都這個沒年久失修那這個保存當然也不是這個國防部的這個專責跟專業 |
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文資局跟文化部也很重視所以這個部分是不是可以請國防部因為這個主管機關是軍備局那使用機關是阿巴拉軍團是陸軍司令部怎麼樣讓這個營區能夠更有效利用然後把這個歷史建築能夠有效的恢復保存否則你像整個房舍這房舍是日治時期所蓋的 |
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那鳳山保存得很好但是同時一蓋的現在沒有有效的保存就變成這個衰敗那另外你要配合都市的發展是把13公頃的廢坪的儲存能夠有效的精檢或者是這些這個補給坪的儲存能夠找其他的地方然後讓城市發展能夠雙贏這個部長您的意見 |
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第一點委員在5號的時候有到縣子去會刊第一個有關於這個文資維護的部分 |
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市支部就補給分庫他也委請了高雄市文化局聘請了專業的人員鑑定那這個相關的鑑定的需求修復的需求修繕的需求在3月底會出來那屆時這個我們陸軍會來檢討相關的預算編列依照文資的維護這是由藏籍單位要來負責維護的 |
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文字盤點,我有協同請文化局跟協同 |
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文化部文資局去協助國防部這屬於後勤補給 |
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他不是戰備訓練的基地或營區,你能不能有效的利用,因為旁邊就是橋頭科學園區,那你這個13公頃充滿綠地是未來的淡黃區,是不是能夠更有效利用,能夠配合高雄市政府的規劃,城市的發展 |
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委員在5號的現刊決議有說在一個月後我們在現地把整個運用規劃向您回報這部分一個月之後我們再議那也請部長瞭解一下另外這個國軍岡山總醫院岡山分院因為這個北高雄老年人口比較多長照的需求很重要這部分長照到了一個位於這個預算的問題再30秒預算的問題這拜託這個能夠 |
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謝謝委員幫我們很多忙那現在衛福部預算不足的部分我們已經用基金謝謝委員的幫忙什麼時候可以動土 |
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邱國正報告業務概況． |
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本席宣告我們在會議開始就已經宣告邱國正部長到12點要參加總統府軍談原往例我們在國防委員會軍談是國家重要會議所以我們都會準價接下來的會議由薄宏輝副部長代表國防部列席那我們現在請部長先離席接下來進行詢答的委員是黃建斌委員 |
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| transcript.whisperx[476].text |
邱國正報告業務 |
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副部長好,副部長那個本席在上次總質詢時候有特別提到關於臺東關山山北道的事情那副部長大概知道這個規劃嗎?知道那副部長你們有編列相關的預算要去討論未來怎麼執行嗎?目前都在評估因為這個還是要跟交通部來配合所以是評估階段?是他還沒有編列預算?沒有副部長你們預算都還沒有編列怎麼評估? |
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因為這個是在交通部在初始規劃的時候有邀請我們國防部來商討就未來到路規劃尤其是戰備道關山段過去我們空軍有提出這樣的規劃但是基於這個主管權責機關是交通部所以我們是受邀的單位去參與評估的工作 |
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所以據本席上次在院會質詢的時候部長是說還在規劃中嗎?對我想說規劃中應該是你們也做好相關的準備了包括說你們跟農民跟當地鄉鎮公所的溝通跟討論應該都做了嘛可是聽起來好像你們預算都還沒有編列不是嗎? |
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是的我跟委員報告有關於這個所有的戰備道的規劃事實上來講在全國的戰備道在初始規劃階段的時候都是由交通部主導的那預算的編列有他們統出來辦理那至於說跟地方上去協調要等環評或是所有評估告一個段落以後我們相關的部會會跨部會合作來去跟這個地方來所以這個案子還不確定會做是這個意思 |
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目前都在評估當中那跟部長請教一下就是說專門跑到施作之後有沒有限限的問題報告委員當然有因為這個牽涉到周邊的所有環境對我們戰機的起降的影響好的那我跟部長報告一下在我們未來要施作的專門跑到旁邊有一個關山鎮農會的穀倉它的高度是27公尺那依照我們限限的標準它一定要拆除對不對 |
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所以你們有查到有一個故鄉在旁邊嗎?有,當然有所以你們跟農委討論過了嗎? |
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都目前為止還沒討論還沒討論之前所以還沒討論只是未來要準備規劃這件事情可是部長你有發現你可能沒有跟你們有跟鄉鎮公所討論過這件事嗎現在觀山鎮農會包括觀山鎮的這些農民人心惶惶他們擔心說未來這要怎麼辦第二件事情我們時間不多我們大概簡單講到就是說 |
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未來如果真的興建之後,周邊兩邊都是糧田,農民在耕作的時候必須要施肥撒藥,現在都是用無人機來操作,這個部分會不會受到限制? |
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所以部長你們到底有沒有跟 |
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關山鎮農會跟關山鎮公所來協商我們空軍有跟他做什麼時候來請空軍參謀長 |
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| transcript.whisperx[487].text |
邱國正議員 |
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民以食為天,稻米是我們吃飯最重要的,稻米也是我們的戰備物資。我們還是在重新強調一件事情,我們要吃飽飯才能,假設未來真的不幸要打仗,我們要吃飽飯才能夠上戰場,而不是挨餓上戰場。 |
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這部分我希望國防部這邊能夠再做一個檢討然後也特別要求國防部跟我們地方來做個好好的溝通來解決我們當地農民的問題那以上是本席的質詢謝謝 |
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楊瓊英委員 楊瓊英委員 不在 |
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林思明委員林思明委員林思明委員不在鄭正前委員鄭正前委員鄭正前委員不在請參與委員進行尋答哎呀 |
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好謝謝主席那我們是不是部長不在嗎那我們是不是請次長現在最大的是副部長副部長好副部長好那個博副部長請副部長好參議員好副部長這個我很少來這邊當然是有一些 |
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是屬於陳請陳請要知道一些狀況是就是說因為現在我們教召然後經時的教召都是7天以上那不少來參加教召的人後來有跟我反映說因為這些教召當然有涉及到 |
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要吃肉吃肉我就賺錢我就賺年了然後他們是認為說普遍的現在如果每一天大概就是99塊跟112年有七兩塊但是我們也知道現在整個物價是上漲的所以如果你抓美人每日99塊這樣的金額我們有辦法確保說他們叫招的時候他們這樣一日 |
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一日這樣煮副食,一日三餐,有辦法確保他們裏面的伙食可以讓他們吃得飽嗎?可不可以說明一下? |
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謝謝委員關心我想這個問題我們也關注到了所以在114年的時候我們火事費也調高都調高那我們現在跟一般的官秘是一樣的那我也希望就是說像在教召的這個每一次這個結束以後我們都會說相關意見調查那我們的聯市有關火事的部分他都拉入意見所以在今年他已經調高了今年有調高是的是的對因為 |
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因為我不去召召我不知道怎麼辦所以我也不方便講到講的沒問題報委謝您的關心他們有跟我們反應就是說第一個是火死然後第二個就是說 |
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因為我們現在叫招嘛,他們大概都會有野地訓練,那野地訓練就是都會帶那個喉喉,喉喉照空間,或是喉喉照空間,學校是比較沒有問題喔,可是如果跟喉喉照空間的時候,但是那個廟宇啦,他們的洗手空間,那個要扁手的地方,不足啊。 |
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啊還是說沒關係 完整野地訓練就大家親嘗嘴好像也這樣也不是很好啦不是不能這樣子是對啊啊可是就變成說我們在規劃他們訓練當然說如果是真的發生要到野外去那當然又有野外比較嚴苛的條件但是如果他們我們是跟廟宇合作啊廟宇當然就是以他現有的設備他那顆平庸設備啊現有的設備如果在這一個 |
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這個洗手間不足那這部分怎麼辦我們連市事實上從兩個方面著手第一個移動式的廁所我們必須會有移動式的廁所另外移動式的沐浴設備我們軍方有移動式的沐浴設備所以有關於未來交召這部分我們也聽到了交召人的心聲尤其在廟宇借住的時候我們也發現這個問題我們會把這個問題解決 |
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好我想這兩個問題是謝謝委員關心是好因為叫招來很重要很重要的訓練嗎是那我們可以把一些火石啊一些基礎的設備把它用的更好是這我們應該要做的是的那在第二個也是關於我們國軍的一些軍人的一些福利啦 |
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| transcript.whisperx[502].text |
就是說我們知道現在如果君子如果過世那他的另一半夫妻就可以領這個所謂伴奉這個應該是屬於這個善養撫慰金但是我最近也是接到有陳情跟我說的一個狀況就是說假如這一個夫妻兩個都是君子 |
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兩個同為君子那如果其中一個假如因為服役期間過世了那這一個他老婆會不會有這樣這個半縫的這個服衛金的福利會有嗎?理論上是不行的他告訴我是沒有啦但是這中間有一個不合理的地方因為我想在這裡替國軍爭取一下 |
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如果這個昂阿某他不是兩個都君子他如果昂是軍人某是一般公務員比方他是老師那這個君子的過世的這個老師還是有半封 |
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關於這個我想就退輔制度這樣輔續的條例上來講它本身來講它有它的限制因素就是說就是過去的概念是單一信奉的概念但是如果說都是從公職那在比如說同樣都是君子有一個往生同樣君子的話就沒有嘛因為它還是限職你已經有自己的奉旨就少了這一個 |
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但是我要舉例子,我舉的例子就是很明顯嘛,他同樣都是公務員嘛,公務員也是有他的婦婿的金額啊,但是他因為兩個都是君子,這一比就沒有。我覺得這你們可以思考看看,在公平性而言,他會覺得我們阿嬤們都是君人,這更應該要獎勵他。 |
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謝謝蔡育委員,如果你想參加教招我們可以研究辦理啦 |
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另外要研議的除了那個案子以外其實我們現在還有一些對我們自己國軍不公平的像軍轉文年資可以繼續但是軍下去沒有考上公務員隔了5年以後他再回軍以前年資通通不見了 |
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但他如果隔了五年六年他考上了監獄管理員什麼可以繼續算喔就變成我們自己軍方對軍人的待遇延續性的計算比一般公務員對待的還要低包含剛才蔡議員提這個我建議我們我們相關單位盡速演繹出來我覺得應該公平對待好好謝謝 |
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吳思耀委員吳思耀委員吳思耀委員不在張家俊委員張家俊委員張家俊委員不在鍾嘉斌委員鍾嘉斌委員鍾嘉斌委員不在李坤澤委員李坤澤委員李坤澤委員不在陳培宇委員陳培宇委員陳培宇委員不在嚴寬恒委員嚴寬恒委員嚴寬恒委員不在 |
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本日會議已登記質詢委員除不在場外均已發言完畢報告及詢答結束本日會議由黃珊珊委員陳培宇委員提出書面質詢請列入記錄並刊登公報相關機關與書面於兩週內答覆除令有約定時間外以兩週為限 |
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本日委員口頭質詢未及答覆部分或要求補充資料者亦請相關單位於約定時間或以書面兩週內提供本日會議到此結束大家辛苦散會 |