| IVOD_ID |
157044 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157044 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-23-10 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期交通委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
10 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期交通委員會第10次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-18T11:57:22+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-18T12:10:34+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:12 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/37ff27132e477e87c475b7260ad626ac117a57b012903f1ce2d913a09c00f96f87405cc7a6e4ec875ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳雪生 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:57:22 - 12:10:34 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-11-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會第10次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請交通部部長陳世凱、交通部公路局局長、法務部及內政部警政署就「偽變造車牌或其它隱匿車牌方式之查緝與防制暨如何有效杜絕無照駕駛猖獗之亂象」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、審查(一)委員洪孟楷等24人、(二)委員黃健豪等17人、(三)委員林俊憲等17人、(四)委員王鴻薇等18人分別擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第十二條條文修正草案」案、(五)委員鍾佳濱等19人、(六)委員許宇甄等17人、(七)委員陳素月等20人分別擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第十二條及第十二條之一條文修正草案」案、(八)委員林德福等16人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第十二條及第十三條條文修正草案」案、(九)委員徐富癸等19人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第十二條及第十五條條文修正草案」案及(十)委員林思銘等18人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第二十一條條文修正草案」案。【第（十）案各黨團若未提出不復議同意書，則不予審查】
三、審查(一)委員傅崐萁等20人、(二)委員陳雪生等29人分別擬具「發展觀光條例第二條及第七十條之二條文修正草案」案、(三)委員許宇甄等20人擬具「發展觀光條例第四條、第五十三條及第七十條之二條文修正草案」案、(四)委員林倩綺等21人擬具「發展觀光條例第三十六條及第六十條條文修正草案」案、(五)委員王美惠等16人擬具「發展觀光條例部分條文修正草案」案、(六)委員伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe等20人擬具「發展觀光條例第五十五條、第五十五條之一及第五十五條之三條文修正草案」案及(七)委員游顥等38人擬具「發展觀光條例第七十條之二條文修正草案」案。【11月18日、20日二天一次會】） |
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好,謝謝主席。是不是請交通部陳部長。陳部長。部長早。委員好。馬祖大橋的進度如何? |
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目前還沒有送到我們部裡面還沒有什麼行政院還沒有回到我們這邊我有問行政院跟委員報告我有去再問行政院的進度因為上次跟委員報告就是說國發會的這個整個的規劃評估報告已經送到行政院送到秘書長那邊那最新的進度剛剛我有再問一下院裡面大概院這邊的話是把這個國發會的這個評估報告把它就是說先就是存掉並沒有 |
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你問院裡的誰?你問院裡面的誰?我問那個交還處的處長交還處的處長他怎麼說?是把這個國發會的評估報告把他這個紋存那基本上就是說並沒有再把他們的意見這個要求我們交通部去做相關的一個回應他已經要求8次、10次、20次啦還要求什麼?還要求什麼? |
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我打電話給公民秘書長公民秘書長他說不知道沒看到這案子不是說到許內閣秘書長那裡再分判分判下去嗎 |
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那你們要去問啦,你們如果連問都不問,我每個禮拜追進度。報告委員,局長剛剛的回答就是他有問了。部長,我年齡有點大了齁,時間很短,不夠用齁,拜託一下好不好。部長你不是說幫我問嗎?有一天回來不是跟總統要見面?我們其實都有問。總統有沒有說什麼? |
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我沒有跟總統問這件事,有跟議員問這件事,那目前就是在祕書長那邊嘛。拖嘛,一直在拖啊。到底做還是不做?乾脆一點嘛,是不是? |
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也跟委員報告因為院沒有再給我們新的這個意見的話基本上其實回到112年的你每個禮拜給我回報一次好不好我每個禮拜追追到下一次總組委員會問好不好反正部長你有來我都會問啊我不問不行啊好不好我不曉得我還能活多久啊拜託了好不好你很年輕欸 |
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我們兩個年齡不一樣好不好那我們在開車啊開車碰到人行道我們要停下來嘛行人在那邊打電話在那邊聊天那你看怎麼樣行人過馬路也應該要專心過馬路要遵守那就嘴巴講一講是不是 |
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應該...應該如果是看...局長你有機會你修個...修個什麼行人穿越法吧?行人穿越不要那個嗎?行人在...我們...我們要走不停...沒有錯...我這次看到...行人我當然要禮讓嘛...我要等嘛...我不能... |
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紅燈好不容易等到綠燈等到一個綠燈以後行人在那邊拖拖拉拉的那邊來這邊去我們車子不要開啦行人部分也有罰則行人有罰則嗎罰500塊說明一下跟我們報告在應該是78條它裡面如果說行人在穿越馬路的時候吸吸這些相關部分是罰500元 |
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我們尊重行人啦,開車的人當然我們尊重他嘛前幾天你看前面一個公車後面一個公車追撞一下就死亡了是不是好不好這都是問題啦好我現在接續要問那個高雄馬祖航線高雄馬祖航線誰關心啊?我看國民黨裡面只有我一個關心民進黨只有一個誰?許智傑許智傑委員正好在下面許委員謝謝你啦 |
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那天你假動你沒有到馬祖來黃牛了好不好不過下次希望好不好希望有機會來早上我找了我早上開了一個會有品公司的問題最嚴重那現在有品公司問題解決了他的保險因為一到三月份從現在到三月份他會透過另外一個方式來保險那四月份跟那個美國的債保公司還要再簽約會把這個納進去 |
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我油品公司全國各縣市全部都是中油的,怎麼馬祖是我們馬祖縣政府代管呢?莫名其妙嘛。好,他現在也投降了。保險的問題解決了。車子、油罐車,我說我要新的。我前面跟他講要舊的,他現在沒辦法了,我說我要新的。他說舊的馬上運來,11月份就要運過去了,他速度比我快了。 |
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還有油罐車也過去11月底也過去人員訓練大概已經訓練完成了四個人訓練完成了那現在剩下的是油料都完成以後我前天打電話給昨天打電話給中華航空公司謝董事長他說第一個油料的問題如果能夠完成第二個降落費 |
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機場交通費如果能夠減免的話,我也打電話給何局長,何局長今天沒來。如果交通費能夠減免的話,他說固定航線他願意飛。 |
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但是票價原來50個、70個對不對?你油料是滿的話,那只要油料是滿的話70個。他如果可以油料問題解決,可以再到70個。這個部長知道嘛。好啦,那現在新聞媒體在報導,我們馬祖的新聞很熱門。現在不是打詐嗎?跟打騙嗎?誰騙你知道?我跟縣長變成騙子了現在。這問題很嚴重,我想把部長應該也加一個進來嘛。對不對? |
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打騙他說11月6號飛十班飛完十班呢公共署不知道又給了幾個錢我們現在最少飛到元旦假期飛到元旦元旦就停掉你歷史劇元旦就停掉嘛最少我剛才說最少我們希望他的運量可以真的起來你講最多我不要講最少你不要講最少11月6號你看風風光光的這是馬祖年年部長沒有去有啊 |
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部長你覺得這個風光光光的首航起飛,飛完以後 |
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然後元旦就把他停掉,你心裡面有什麼感想?沒有,報告委員,如果我們的運量跟那個那個大家很願意去搭乘的話,旅客宿夠的話,他其實就可以一直飛下去啦,就可以一直飛下去。但是,不要一直用補貼,我們不希望一直用補貼,我們希望他真正運量可以起來,那這個部分我們一起來努力。一個縣政府、一個交通部、一個立委跟老百姓講的話, |
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人家如果當我們在放屁的話你說說看你說說看我們飛這個高雄馬祖航線只是飛兩個月飛起來跟紙做的滑翔機一樣飛起來好玩的 |
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不是這樣嘛 是不是這政策欸當時一開始的時候那個時候應該就對外講是時斑嘛那我們也讓它延長可以至少到元旦假期那我們這段時間也在努力希望跟高雄的那邊的觀光業者大家一起來合作去找客源有啊 陳金邁市場 |
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再來也會幫忙他說他會有配套那我們希望這個可以讓他運量上來之後一直延續下去這個錢不是什麼縣政府、高雄市政府、觀光署去給錢沒道理嘛交通的便利、行政安全這交通部你本來就要負起主要責任嘛是不是怎麼扯到縣政府勒哪一個你看那個臺北市有管那個民航有管那個松山機場嗎桃園市政府有管那個桃園機場嗎沒有嘛 |
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這廉價限制怎麼會扯進去管這個事情呢?這行政便利的問題啊。這樣好不好?元貸嘛,包機至少嘛。但是你給我承諾,不能停。因為油的問題,油米公司要解決了。中油要解決了。油罐車啊、訓練啊、車輛啊、保險啊,全部都解決了。 |
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那謝董也跟我講,如果這個油料的問題能夠解決,還有降落費能夠減免,他願意飛,他也願意了,那剩下就交通部啦,不是啊?你跟我講...如果華航或華信可以不用補貼的方式願意飛那當然很好啊但是他油料要解決啊 |
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郵料不是委員剛剛說您已經有努力現在中郵也不是我管的你是中央政府我這裡是立法院我管不了他們是不是我沒有行政權郵料我們來跟他們行政權是你們你們要去主動去溝通怎麼是我在這邊我不講話就沒事我一講話就來了你看我今天上午主持一個會議我有點生氣了火爆三丈全部都OK了 |
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那我不出面的話全部都躲起來了怎麼這樣子勒,我們政府做事情不是這樣子吧是不是,部長11月6號包機起飛高雄到馬祖航線元旦我不管,你不管,因為你公務很忙啦底下民航局不管,公安署不管,不就停擺啦擺明就是擺爛啦是不是,然後我們都被打成詐騙集團 |
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我們是最大宗的,不好吧?交通部會幹這種事嗎?你說,你當個部長。我們來努力讓它持續飛下去。不是努力啊,這一定要做的嘛,還努力。我們現在正在努力齁,跟旅行業者大家一起合作攬客,我們希望多一些客人,那未來當然有商機的時候,航空公司必然會一直飛。現然也跟蔡某總長講了,跟蔡某總長,沒什麼要講了。 |
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他們部隊裡面,將來也鼓勵阿兵哥坐飛機。如果是部隊也可以達成而且有優惠的話,其實這個是蠻好的。是是是。欸,召委你先坐下來沒關係啦,不要急。部長你答應我好不好,不要停。 |
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我很希望他可以持續飛下去我後面還有許智傑委員欸你走的巧好了我很希望他持續飛下去許智傑委員還會問你喔我那天前幾天去高雄連其邁市長都有在跟我講這件事表示高雄也很在乎這個航線那我們也很希望他能夠持續飛下去那個其邁是現任市長嘛下一任許智傑委員虎視眈眈的許智傑委員你要努力一下我下去沒關係好不好我稍等一下兩分鐘沒關係剩下你要幫我講講話 |
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因為藍綠都幫忙一下嘛這個我們一起來努力部長很難看啦元旦如果真的沒飛很難看啦有啦一定會飛到元旦不只是我難看縣政府難看你也很難看什麼至少什麼至少一定要飛下去好不好對啊我們現在努力讓他一直飛下去又努力不努力不行我們現在沒有在努力嗎我努力那麼久了他們還說我騙委員在努力我們也在努力 |
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一起努力,一定不能停好不好?不然你講個話嘛,一定不要停。你講個話。這句話你都不敢講,我來當部長好了。是不是?我們努力讓他一直飛下去啦。我們現在真的一直在想辦法,那我永遠一直在努力當中。這件事情非做不可。 |
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我跟你講,如果元旦以後真的停掉了,我辭立委你辭部長好不好? |
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我立委辭掉你部長辭掉我們一起打個賭一起幹這件事情我們兩個一起幹好不好我把立委辭掉啊我們一起努力啦又一起努力一定要完成好不好 送你五個字一定要完成固定航線好不好是是是召委對不起啊 又請你坐下你可以站起來了我現在下去齁那請許志杰先生上台講話好 謝謝 |
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好,謝謝陳委員 |
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陳委員雪生：馬祖大橋的進度如何？ |
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陳部長世凱：目前還沒有送到我們部裡面。 |
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陳委員雪生：還沒有什麼？ |
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陳委員雪生：他怎麼說？ |
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陳局長文瑞：就是把國發會的評估報告文存，基本上，就是並沒有再要求交通部做相關回應。 |
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陳委員雪生：還要求什麼？我打電話給龔秘書長，他說不知道、沒看到，這個案子不是送到行政院秘書長那裡再分派下去嗎？你們要去問，你們如果連問都不問，我每個禮拜盯進度。 |
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陳部長世凱：報告委員，局長剛才的回答，就是他有問了。 |
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陳委員雪生：部長，我年齡有點大了，時間很短、不夠用，拜託一下，好不好？你不是說幫我問嗎？ |
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陳部長世凱：是。 |
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陳委員雪生：你有一天回來，不是說跟總統要見面？ |
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陳部長世凱：我們其實都有問。 |
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陳委員雪生：總統有沒有說什麼？ |
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陳部長世凱：我沒有跟總統問這件事。 |
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陳部長世凱：有跟院問這件事，目前就是在秘書長那邊。 |
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陳委員雪生：拖！一直在拖，到底做還是不做？乾脆一點，是不是？ |
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陳部長世凱：是。 |
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陳委員雪生：反正部長你有來，我都會問啦！我不問不行啊，好不好？ |
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陳委員雪生：我不曉得我還能活多久，拜託了，好不好？你很年輕耶！我們兩個年齡不一樣，好不好？ |
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陳部長世凱：您可以活很久，您可以「呷百二」。 |
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陳委員雪生：好。開車碰到人行道，我們要停下來嘛！行人在那邊打電話、聊天，你看怎麼樣？打情罵俏的…… |
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陳部長世凱：行人過馬路也應該要專心過馬路，也要遵守…… |
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陳委員雪生：就嘴巴講一講，是不是？ |
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陳部長世凱：如果是看手機，這個是有罰則的。 |
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陳委員雪生：局長，如果有機會，你修個什麼行人穿越法，行人穿越不用守規則嗎？ |
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陳局長文瑞：行人在道路交通管理處罰條例也有相關的規範。 |
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陳委員雪生：我們要守規矩，沒有錯。開車看到行人，我當然要禮讓、我要等嘛！我好不容易等到綠燈，等到一個綠燈以後，行人在那邊拖拖拉拉的，那邊來、這邊去，我們車子不要開了，對不對？馬路…… |
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陳部長世凱：行人的部分也有罰則，他如果看手機的話，可以罰500塊。 |
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陳委員雪生：行人有罰則嗎？說明一下。 |
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陳委員雪生：沒有，我們尊重行人，當然開車的人尊重他嘛！你看前幾天，前面一個公車、後面一個公車，追撞一下就死亡了，好不好？這都是問題啦！ |
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我現在接續要問高雄─馬祖航線，誰關心啊？我看國民黨裡面只有我一個人關心，民進黨只有一個誰？許智傑委員，正好他坐在下面。許委員，謝謝你啦！那天因為甲動你沒有到馬祖來喔！黃牛了，好不好？不過下次希望有機會來。我早上開一個會，油品公司的問題最嚴重，現在油品公司問題解決了，從現在到3月份，它會透過另外一個方式來保險，4月份跟美國再保公司還要再簽約，會把這個納進去，油品公司全國各縣市全部都是中油的，怎麼在馬祖是馬祖縣政府在管呢？莫名其妙嘛！好，它現在也投降了，保險的問題解決了，我說我要新的油罐車，我前面跟它講要舊的，它現在沒辦法了，我說我要新的，它說舊的馬上運來，11月份就要運過去了，它速度比我快啦！還有在11月底油罐車也過去，人員訓練大概已經訓練完成了，4個人訓練完成了，油料都完成以後，我昨天打電話給中華航空公司謝董事長，他說第一個油料的問題如果能夠完成，第二個機場降落費如果能夠減免，後來我又打電話給何局長，何局長今天沒來，如果降落費能夠減免的話，他說固定航線他願意飛，但是票價原來70個，對不對？油料是滿的話，70個，現在…… |
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陳部長世凱：如果油料的問題解決了，可以載到70個。 |
| gazette.blocks[47][0] |
陳委員雪生：這個部長知道嘛？ |
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陳部長世凱：對。 |
| gazette.blocks[49][0] |
陳委員雪生：好啦！現在新聞媒體在報導，我們馬祖的新聞很熱門，現在不是打詐跟打騙，你知道誰騙嗎？我跟縣長現在變成騙子了，這個問題很嚴重了，我想部長也應該要加進來，對不對？打騙…… |
| gazette.blocks[50][0] |
陳部長世凱：我為什麼會變成騙子？ |
| gazette.blocks[51][0] |
陳委員雪生：他說11月6號飛10班，飛完10班，觀光署不知道又給了幾個錢啦！ |
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陳部長世凱：我們現在最少飛到元旦假期。 |
| gazette.blocks[53][0] |
陳委員雪生：飛到元旦，你的意思是元旦就停掉嘛？ |
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陳部長世凱：不是，我剛才是說最少，我們希望它的運量可以真的起來，不要都靠補貼。 |
| gazette.blocks[55][0] |
陳委員雪生：你講最多好不好？你不要講最少。11月6號，你看風風光光的，這次去馬祖，那天部長沒有去？ |
| gazette.blocks[56][0] |
陳部長世凱：有啊！我在裡面。 |
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陳委員雪生：沒有吧？ |
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陳部長世凱：有啦！有啦！ |
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陳委員雪生：有、有、有，不好意思。部長，你覺得風風光光的首航起飛，當飛完以後，元旦就把它停掉，你心裡面有什麼感想？ |
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陳部長世凱：報告委員，如果我們的運量跟大家很願意去搭乘、旅客數夠，其實就可以一直飛下去啦！ |
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陳委員雪生：這個沒問題啦！你看一個縣政府…… |
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陳部長世凱：但不要一直用補貼，我們不希望一直用補貼，我們希望它運量可以真正起來，這個部分我們一起來努力。 |
| gazette.blocks[63][0] |
陳委員雪生：一個縣政府、一個交通部、一個立委跟老百姓講的話，如果人家當我們在放屁的話，你說說看、你說說看，高雄─馬祖航線只飛兩個月，跟紙做的滑翔機一樣，飛起來好玩的，不是這樣嘛，是不是？這是政策耶！ |
| gazette.blocks[64][0] |
陳部長世凱：當時一開始的時候，應該就對外講是10班，我們也讓它延長，至少可以到元旦假期，這段時間我們也在努力，希望跟高雄的觀光業者大家一起來合作去找客源，如果客源足…… |
| gazette.blocks[65][0] |
陳委員雪生：有啊！陳其邁市長當然也會幫忙啊！他說會有配套。 |
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陳部長世凱：陳其邁市長也很幫忙，我們希望可以讓它運量上來之後，一直延續下去，這個是很好的航班。 |
| gazette.blocks[67][0] |
陳委員雪生：這個錢不是什麼縣政府、高雄市政府、觀光署去給錢，沒道理嘛！交通便利、行的安全，交通部本來就要負起主要的責任嘛，是不是？怎麼會扯到縣政府呢？你看臺北市有管松山機場嗎？桃園市政府有管桃園機場嗎？沒有嘛！連江縣政府怎麼會扯進去，而去管這個事情呢？這是行的便利的問題啊！這樣好不好，至少包機到元旦，但是你給我承諾不能停，因為油的問題油品公司要解決了，中油要解決了，油罐車、訓練、車輛、保險等全部都解決了。謝董也跟我講如果油料問題能夠解決，還有降落費能夠減免，他願意飛，他也願意了，那剩下就是交通部啦！部長，你跟我講…… |
| gazette.blocks[68][0] |
陳部長世凱：如果華航或華信可以不用補貼的方式願意飛，那當然很好啊…… |
| gazette.blocks[69][0] |
陳委員雪生：但是油料要解決啊！ |
| gazette.blocks[70][0] |
陳部長世凱：對，油料不是委員剛剛說的，您已經有努力解決。 |
| gazette.blocks[71][0] |
陳委員雪生：現在中油也不是我管的，你是中央政府耶！這裡是立法院，我管不了他們，是不是？我沒有行政權耶！ |
| gazette.blocks[72][0] |
陳部長世凱：油料我們來跟經濟部溝通。 |
| gazette.blocks[73][0] |
陳委員雪生：行政權是你們，你們要主動去溝通，怎麼是我在那邊處理呢？ |
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陳部長世凱：是。 |
| gazette.blocks[75][0] |
陳委員雪生：我不講話就沒事，我一講話就來了。你看我今天上午主持了一個會議，我有點生氣了，火冒三丈啊！結果全部都OK啦！但我不出面的話，全部都躲起來了，怎麼這樣子呢？我們政府做事情不是這樣子吧，是不是？部長，11月6號包機起飛高雄到馬祖航線，元旦我不管、你不管，因為你公務很忙，底下民航局不管、觀光署不管，不就停擺啦！擺明就是擺爛啊！是不是？我們都被打成詐騙集團，我們是最大宗的，不好吧！交通部會幹這種事嗎？你當個部長，你說。 |
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陳部長世凱：我們來努力讓它持續飛下去。 |
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陳委員雪生：不是努力啊！這一定要做的嘛！還努力？ |
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陳部長世凱：我們現在正在努力跟旅行業者大家一起合作攬客，我們希望多一些客人，未來當然有商機的時候，航空公司必然會一直飛。 |
| gazette.blocks[79][0] |
陳委員雪生：縣長也跟梅參謀總長講了，在部隊裡面將來也鼓勵阿兵哥坐飛機。 |
| gazette.blocks[80][0] |
陳部長世凱：如果是部隊也可以搭乘，而且有優惠的話，其實這個是滿好的。 |
| gazette.blocks[81][0] |
陳委員雪生：是。召委，你先坐下來，沒關係啊！不要急。部長，你答應我不要停，好不好？ |
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陳部長世凱：我很希望它可以持續…… |
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陳委員雪生：我後面還有許智傑委員，你走著瞧好了，許智傑委員還會問你喔！ |
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陳部長世凱：我很希望它持續飛下去，我前幾天去高雄，連其邁市長都有在跟我講這件事…… |
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陳委員雪生：有嗎？ |
| gazette.blocks[86][0] |
陳部長世凱：表示高雄也很在乎這個航線，我們也很希望它能夠持續飛下去。 |
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陳委員雪生：對嘛！其邁是現任市長，下一任許智傑委員虎視眈眈的。許智傑委員，你要努力一下喔！我下去沒關係，好不好？我少講兩分鐘沒關係…… |
| gazette.blocks[88][0] |
陳部長世凱：這個議題我們一起來努力。 |
| gazette.blocks[89][0] |
陳委員雪生：剩下的你要幫我講講話，因為藍綠都幫忙一下嘛！ |
| gazette.blocks[90][0] |
陳部長世凱：這個我們一起來努力。 |
| gazette.blocks[91][0] |
陳委員雪生：部長，很難看啦！元旦如果真的沒飛了，很難看啦！ |
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陳部長世凱：有啦！一定會飛到元旦。 |
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陳委員雪生：不只是我難看、縣政府難看，你也很難看，什麼至少，一定要飛下去，好不好？ |
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陳部長世凱：對啊！我們現在努力讓它一直飛下去。 |
| gazette.blocks[95][0] |
陳委員雪生：又努力？ |
| gazette.blocks[96][0] |
陳部長世凱：不努力不行，這個議題…… |
| gazette.blocks[97][0] |
陳委員雪生：我們現在沒有在努力嗎？我努力那麼久了，他們還說我騙。 |
| gazette.blocks[98][0] |
陳部長世凱：委員在努力，我們也在努力。 |
| gazette.blocks[99][0] |
陳委員雪生：一起努力，一定不能停，好不好？你講個話，一定不要停！ |
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陳部長世凱：我們也要看它的運量。 |
| gazette.blocks[101][0] |
陳委員雪生：連這句話你都不敢講，我來當部長好了，是不是？ |
| gazette.blocks[102][0] |
陳部長世凱：我們努力讓它一直飛下去啦！我們現在真的一直在想辦法，委員也一直在努力當中。 |
| gazette.blocks[103][0] |
陳委員雪生：這件事情非做不可，我跟你講下臺……對不起，我不是講下臺，如果元旦以後真的停掉了，我辭立委、你辭部長，好不好？我立委辭掉，你部長辭掉，我們一起打個賭、一起幹…… |
| gazette.blocks[104][0] |
陳部長世凱：辭部長事小，辭立委事情比較嚴重…… |
| gazette.blocks[105][0] |
陳委員雪生：這件事情我們兩個一起幹，好不好？我把立委辭掉啊！ |
| gazette.blocks[106][0] |
陳部長世凱：我們一起努力啦！ |
| gazette.blocks[107][0] |
陳委員雪生：又一起努力？一定要完成，好不好？送你5個字，一定要完成固定航線，好不好？ |
| gazette.blocks[108][0] |
陳部長世凱：是、是、是。 |
| gazette.blocks[109][0] |
陳委員雪生：召委對不起，又請你坐下，你可以站起來了，我現在下去。請許智傑先生上台講話。 |
| gazette.blocks[110][0] |
陳部長世凱：謝謝委員。 |
| gazette.blocks[111][0] |
主席：謝謝陳委員。 |
| gazette.blocks[111][1] |
接下來有請許智傑委員發言。 |
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290 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_id |
委員會-11-2-23-10 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[0] |
魯明哲 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[1] |
林德福 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[2] |
洪孟楷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[3] |
鍾佳濱 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[4] |
黃健豪 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[5] |
游顥 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[6] |
許宇甄 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[7] |
林倩綺 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[8] |
林國成 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[9] |
林沛祥 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[10] |
李昆澤 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[11] |
徐富癸 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[12] |
陳素月 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[13] |
林俊憲 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[14] |
蔡其昌 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[15] |
何欣純 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[16] |
陳雪生 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[17] |
許智傑 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[18] |
邱若華 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[19] |
賴士葆 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[20] |
羅智強 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[21] |
賴惠員 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[22] |
楊瓊瓔 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[23] |
吳春城 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[24] |
伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[25] |
李坤城 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[26] |
林月琴 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[27] |
陳培瑜 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[28] |
鄭正鈐 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[29] |
陳冠廷 |
| gazette.agenda.page_start |
151 |
| gazette.agenda.meetingDate[0] |
2024-11-18 |
| gazette.agenda.gazette_id |
11310302 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_lcidc_ids[0] |
11310302_00003 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_name |
立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會第10次全體委員會議紀錄 |
| gazette.agenda.content |
一、邀請交通部部長陳世凱、交通部公路局局長、法務部及內政部警政署就「偽變造車牌或其它
隱匿車牌方式之查緝與防制暨如何有效杜絕無照駕駛猖獗之亂象」進行專題報告，並備質詢；
二、審查(一)委員洪孟楷等24人、(二)委員黃健豪等17人、(三)委員林俊憲等17人、(四)委員王
鴻薇等18人分別擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第十二條條文修正草案」案、(五)委員鍾佳濱等19
人、(六)委員許宇甄等17人、(七)委員陳素月等20人分別擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第十二條
及第十二條之一條文修正草案」案、(八)委員林德福等16人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第十二
條及第十三條條文修正草案」案、(九)委員徐富癸等19人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第十二條
及第十五條條文修正草案」案；三、審查(一)委員傅崐萁等20人、(二)委員陳雪生等29人分別擬
具「發展觀光條例第二條及第七十條之二條文修正草案」案、(三)委員許宇甄等20人擬具「發展
觀光條例第四條、第五十三條及第七十條之二條文修正草案」案、(四)委員林倩綺等21人擬具
「發展觀光條例第三十六條及第六十條條文修正草案」案、(五)委員王美惠等16人擬具「發展觀
光條例部分條文修正草案」案、(六)委員伍麗華 Saidhai Tahovecahe 等20人擬具「發展觀光條
例第五十五條、第五十五條之一及第五十五條之三條文修正草案」案及(七)委員游顥等38人擬具
「發展觀光條例第七十條之二條文修正草案」案 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_id |
11310302_00002 |