| IVOD_ID |
15704 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/15704 |
| 日期 |
2024-03-07 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-15-4 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期內政委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
4 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期內政委員會第4次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-03-07T08:31:42+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-03-07T11:58:59+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
03:27:17 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/eeffa975d6a1e3ea73b8a2c1b37799c1a3e12858f6389dbb3be8d109af184be43dbf9fdad6a1002a5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-03-07T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第4次全體委員會議（事由：邀請大陸委員會主任委員及財團法人海峽交流基金會董事長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:31:42 - 11:58:59 |
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委員會主席 |
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好我們現在開會請主任秘書報告出席人數報告委員會出席委員13人以主法定人數好我們現在開會進行報告事項請宣讀上一次的會議議事錄 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第3次全體委員會議議事錄時間113年3月6日星期三上午9時4分至下午1時25分地點紅樓202會議室出席委員徐新穎委員等14人另席委員沈伯陽委員等29人另席官員大陸委員會主任委員邱泰三級相關人員交通部常務次長林國賢級相關人員主席高金召集委員宿梅 |
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報告事項一宣讀上次會議議事錄決定確定二邀請大陸委員會主任委員及交通部次長交通部觀光署署長就附陸旅遊團停招決策過程與後續影響評估進行專題報告並備質詢大陸委員會主任委員邱泰三交通部常務次長林國賢報告委員徐欣盈等21人質詢 |
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分別由大陸委員會主任委員邱泰三及相關人員交通部常務次長林國賢及相關人員答覆說明決定一登基發言委員除不在場者外其餘均已發言完畢尋答結束二委員王宏威所提書面質詢列入記錄刊登公報三書面質詢及未及答覆部分請相關機關於一周內另以書面答覆並複製本會 |
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有關本次會議專題報告．大陸委員會及交通部．對決策過程．會議紀錄及後續影響評估．與對相關觀光業者及國人之損失．如何解決處理．仍有交代不清之部分．請大陸委員會及交通部．針對主席．本會委員及其他委員之口頭質詢時．要求再補充更詳細之資料．與損失評估及解決方案．與會後一週內將相關書面資料．送至本會主席．本會委員及所有質詢委員辦公室 |
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通過臨時提案 宣讀完畢 |
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好我們議事錄確定繼續進行本日議程報告事項請宣讀報告事項一宣讀上次會議議事錄二邀請大陸委員會主任委員及財團法人海峽交流基金會董事長列席報告業務概況並備質詢宣讀完畢好現在呢我先介紹一下在場的列席的委員還有官員哈我先介紹王美惠委員 |
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黃潔委員李博義委員徐欣穎委員黃建斌委員麥玉珍委員好現在呢我來介紹一下列席的官員我們今天列席的官員有大陸委員會邱泰山主委綜合規劃處的盧仲尼處長 |
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文教處張章處長經濟處葉凱平處長法政處周明瑞處長港澳蒙藏盧長水處長聯絡處朱祐宜處長秘書室許君如主任人事室黃群芳主任 |
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主計是柯淑琳主任鄭豐是卓銘為主任資訊是陳盈哲主任財團法人海峽交流基金會李大為董事長以及邱垂政副董事長兼秘書長還有彭顯鈞主任秘書 |
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文教處李正義處長經貿處饒仁洪處長法律處張豐清處長綜合處洪普昭處長秘書處黃國瑞處長會計事人事事主任林雅萍 |
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謝謝我介紹完了列席的官員我們現在進行詢答請我們大陸委員會邱主委來做這個業務報告 |
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主席、各位委員、各位女士先生很高興今天能夠受貴賓邀請來做有關於業務報告那我先用口頭其他的 |
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請委員在參閱書面報告首先報告近期的工作重點在一因為中共在我總統大選後利用我邦交國諾魯來斷交並且阻止我們主辦亞洲U20的藍牌錦標賽此外還片面的改變M503的航路並且利用三五的船舶事件操作灰色地帶的行動 |
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企圖改變臺海和平穩定的現狀已經引發國際社會的高度關注同時也在國際場合宣揚一中原則矮化我主權地位對此政府秉持不屈服不挑釁的原則強化我們自我防衛能力與韌性並且跟理念相近的國家積極合作堅定地在維護臺海和平的穩定現狀 |
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2、中共也持續用政治因素干擾兩岸經貿往來暫停我農漁產品的輸入並片面認定我貿易壁壘對於石化產品也課徵了反請交稅並終止12項ECFA的找收清單同時又操作單方的融合發展措施吸納我人才跟資金政府除了呼籲陸方停止政治操作以外也持續對在陸台商 |
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主席． |
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2490.686 |
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委員會主席 |
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第4自從2月中旬陸方珊瑚的船舶意外事件發生後政府除了盡力協助罹難的家屬當然也期盼各界能夠靜待檢方完成調查公布客觀事實的真相讓家屬可以盡快的得到真正的撫慰同時我們也呼籲陸方對珊瑚的船舶應該要嚴加管理避免憾事再度發生第5政府也在2月1號起 |
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2562.203 |
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開放大陸學籍的超過6個月已經完成注射的陸生能夠納保目前已經有超過800多位的人完成納保讓陸生在台的學習跟生活環境更加友善 |
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第二大部分就未來的這個工作重點那第一那因為當前國際情勢跟美中的互動都會連帶影響臺海的安全跟兩岸的關係所以政府呢除了持續的分析研判中國大陸的內部情勢跟中共的對台作為以外我們也意為這個管控風險以維護國家的利益跟人民的福祉第二面對中共呢持續的對台的經貿施壓政府也以 |
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臺灣優先作為最高原則敦促陸方不設政治前提在既有的機制以我方協商來解決同時我們也持續關懷臺商的需求強化臺商供應鏈的韌性輔導產業的轉型跟多元的布局第三我們也關懷陸配在臺的生活情形協助他融入臺灣社會跟民主法治的體制針對近期外界關心是否縮短陸配規劃的年限的議題 |
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由於我們對於任何現狀的調整均需綜合考量各種政策的因素社會的共識以及利弊得失本會將會持續收集整體社會各界的意見由相關機關做好整體性的評估提升在台港澳人士的服務完善港澳居民的來台規範 |
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也協助更多的港澳人士能夠順利的在台暗居樂業第4強化落實安全的管理推動兩岸健康有序的交流我們也將強化我國的青年學生對大陸的瞭解以提醒他們附入可能的風險跟問題並且注意在入期間的人身安全結與近8年來政府兩岸政策的異常 |
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主席 |
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2710.244 |
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謝謝邱主委的報告繼續我們請海峽交流基金會李董事長大為來做報告因為呢近幾年來我們的海基會好像沒有什麼實質的進展所以本席只給你3分鐘的時間來做說明好嗎謝謝 |
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主席．各位委員．各位女士．各位先生今天很榮幸應邀來大院報告海基會業務概況承蒙各位委員對於本會的支持特此表達感謝 |
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本會112年因為疫情解封所以我們的服務案件數量劇增全年累計到365,538件較111年度大幅增長55.3% |
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以下檢要報告112到113年2月的工作情形資料請各位委員參閱書面報告本會設有24小時的緊急服務專線全廳後協助兩岸人身安全的緊急事項數目累積到2836件 |
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另外為了要強化協助接返因為經濟困頓或者罹患重病流落街頭的制錄國人的業務本年度已經增加相關的預算提高整體的服務效能過去13個月中間已經有120件 |
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在法律服務案子方面,112年度完成文書驗證共計101,948件,較在111年度增幅83.82%。 |
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在經貿服務方面,配合政府政策鼓勵臺商回臺投資,112年辦理三場的投資、參訪活動,並且恢復大陸臺商春節活動,臺商報名踴躍。在文教服務方面,112年也恢復了辦理臺商子女夏令營。 |
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今年首度辦理動力營的活動另外在陸委會的專案協助下我們首度辦理陸生商業保險費用補助今年2月起超過800萬的陸生加入健保 |
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2856.164 |
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2878.275 |
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為了要持續加強中國大陸內外情勢的資料彙整分析舉辦了多場座談研討會本人也接到了美國、加拿大、澳洲、韓國等駐台代表的訪問還有很多的國外訪團就兩岸關係及政府立場交換意見 |
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自然及國安112年度為了要進行自然基礎設施的改善計劃大幅提升了自然防護的能量優化網路的效能確保核心業務的正常運作 |
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有關於今年的工作重點包括持續協助這個兩岸人身安全緊急事件關懷兩岸青年學子強化臺商子女認同感這個加強聯繫協助這個協助臺商永續經營 |
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對不起李董事長我給你3分鐘時間那我以為以你的經歷還有專業來說呢你對於現在的兩岸情勢應該會有特別不同的見解跟看法跟解決之道但是你今天的報告不管你的書面報告還是你剛剛口頭的報告我們都聽不到你的專業未來該朝什麼方向去進行還有你努力的方向 |
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對很抱歉不要跟我報告待會委員會質詢您這個問題但是我要提醒我非常的遺憾真的這個部分的您並沒有你專業還有你們未來要怎麼處理的問題謝謝您李董事長謝謝好 |
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我們現在進行詢答在委員質詢前我們按照慣例做幾個宣告每位委員發言的時間是本會的委員是8分鐘必要的時間延長2分鐘然後非本會委員8分鐘我們上午10點30分截止發言登記然後臨時提案呢提出截止的時間是10點 |
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在本會吳啟明召委委員詢答完畢之後我們就處理臨時提案請問各位委員有沒有意見好我們現在進行詢答請登記第一位的委員來發言麥玉珍委員 |
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謝謝主席我們有請陸委會主委有請邱主委 |
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麥委員好謝謝主委這幾天都請你來辛苦了辛苦了首先我想要請教一下最近大家都在炒就是4年6年陸配的那個時間所以針對這一塊我們覺得是說要一致你有什麼你覺得這樣子是對 |
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沒有對等的對待你有什麼想法因為你是管理一整個那個陸委會的謝謝委員的這個質詢我知道委員跟幾位委員都很關心這個陸配這個權益的問題那我必須要坦白講就是說陸配的這個權益問題他涉及的面向太廣了太廣了那主要原因當然是如果要從憲政的程式上面看因為我們的憲法徵修條文第11條 |
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他也特別的把兩岸的人民的這種定位上面的既不是本國人也不是外國人那所以呢他希望我們立法院就用立法來特別做這樣的規定所以呢好問題我們就會把大陸人士的跟這個外國人士的在兩岸條例裡面做一些特殊的一些處理所以在權益上有的多有的少 |
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你了解意思嗎有的是外籍的沒有但是陸配的有所以我們就是有之間不是對等的對待所以啊那這樣的話他利弊的得失就變成是以陸配拿出來被檢視他跟外配那優惠的地方外配也可以來說那他是不是對外配也不公平啊 |
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所以我才覺得說現在在炒這個議題是因為我們民進黨這邊希望通過才炒讓我們來就是我們國民黨跟民眾黨就是要來推事實上是你們是想要通過的感覺 |
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因為我想院長已經指示過了院長也表示過了在院會表示過了說這個問題因為牽涉的比較廣泛所以目前還在凝聚社會的這樣的一個共識那我跟委員報告一下跟包括委員會報告 |
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事實上這個議題當然有委員也提到所謂的兩公約的這個所謂的我們因為沒有辦法加入但是我們每10年大概有舉辦了一次邀請外國的國際學者來讓我們期待我們要改善的有哪些事實上在第二次也就是說在應該是民國100年那時候的時候就有提出了這樣的一個呼籲所以陸委會也在101年 |
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一百零一年跟一百零五年各提出了這樣的方案但是在大院呢還是因為有諸多不同的意見那所以呢依我的多年的服務因為我在九十二年就成立協會在二零一六年的時候就是總統大選的時候我們都有去協助就是說 |
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在炒這個就是6年還是4年的這樣子的議題事實上我們陸配是4年可以就是辦規劃2年等2年就是6年拿到身份證但是呢我們新住民就是外配這邊呢我們是住滿3年 |
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在辦的過程中呢我們還要放棄國籍放棄國籍的時間就是一年所以後來呢就是還有就是放棄國籍大概一年又在台灣要租滿一年不能回去如果這一年回去的話你又再等要等說再一年所以為了這件事情很多人就是在台灣 |
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現在目前有一兩百個就是無國籍沒辦法恢復國籍又沒辦法拿台灣的身份證所以後來就是才改說就是三年半同時辦就是我們拿的是外僑基流證所以在同時辦的時候呢在拿台灣基流證的時候呢就是放棄國籍同時辦 |
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所以就等於就4到5年所以現在我們要的不是說4年是6年的問題是我們要的就是要一致大家都是從國外嫁過來所以希望說一致這樣子的一致的機制還有這樣子的管理我們的主委能做得到嗎 |
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3311.235 |
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確實就委員您剛剛已經提到了這樣的話就變成要全面性的去檢討那這個姿勢提到那因為這個外配的問題呢他是在國籍法裡面去規定的那是內政部組長的啦不是我陸委會組長的 |
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是 但是說我們是陸委會就是一個部會嘛還要再去檢視各自的要求到底是什麼那我想政府的立場從過去剛剛我提到從100年開始大家就想說那不然現實上應該先改善或者增進他們在生活上工作上或者是社會福利上的這樣的一個措施我們是在爭執這個國企問題 |
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本來就是覺得說我們選舉前大家就拿這個來當就是工具只要選舉就是把我們拉過來拉過去就是把我們分類但是選舉後又拿出來就傷害對我們的新住民跟陸配都是傷害的因為把我們就是分類把就是陸委會這邊就是有一個部門 |
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專門去為了就是陸配來爭取福利還有權利但是我們沒有一個部門針對就是外配來去協助所以說現在我們有陸委會是不是有一個新住民委員會呢這樣子是不是就是才是公平 |
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全體委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會 |
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3394.224 |
| transcript.whisperx[59].end |
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但是那個福利又不平等但是在選舉的時候就是說照顧我們要給你們更多但是在把兩個陸配跟外配拿出來檢視的時候呢就覺得說就是陸配優比較多外配沒有但是呢整個社會的觀點就是說民進黨最照顧外配的但是要拿出來看的時候呢 |
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事實上是你們最照顧陸配所以你們比較親中不是我們比較親中感覺整個附會對不對所以比較親你比較親但是你親的你又沒有去直接跟就是在 |
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在就是對岸那邊談都是透過別人透過就是今天也有我們的海基會也通過海基會去最兩岸的溝通所以我們的主委是我們仰望你去溝通但是你都沒有是直接溝通所以你是我們的大家長要去溝通才不會產生後面的問題 |
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| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
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才不會產生更多的議題讓大家浪費時間因為我們領得是政府的錢不要浪費這個時間在吵這件議題了我們要好好生活我們要很單純的嫁來台灣就是為了就是家庭就是每一個女人都是都是為不同性的來去服務對不對為我們小孩為孩子但是你們都一直分類一直在為了這件事情所以我們就是在2016年美國的 |
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就各國的人權就就說臺灣對就是外配還陸配是最歧視的對不對所以這個部分我們希望就是說我們要來臺灣不管任何的部門都有一個窗口去服務新住民為什麼我們把這個窗口去整合來去服務 |
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讓一直栽培新住民但是呢沒有一個平台也沒有一個窗口讓大家服務所以變成我們變什麼你要學習要學習我們永遠變成專業學生嗎所以我們希望說這個部分要一致就是要大家都要一致身分一致權利一致對我們在台灣會更好對啊我們要的就只有這樣因為事實上 |
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大陸配好來台灣現在35萬人對不對 |
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新住民二十幾萬人但是拿身份證的新住民比陸培多以前是因為沒有任何的部門去保護沒有任何部門去求救所以對大家來說身份證很重要因為我們要留在台灣為了生根台灣要回去沒民主讓人家掛回去不用對不對在這裡就是我們家在這裡要回去要做什麼 |
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所以呢為了這個要留下來但是現在呢有很多的部門有求救身份證對我們來說不重要重要是怎麼把這個家庭把這個小孩顧好因為我們的小孩就是未來國家的領袖所以說現在我們在這邊我們在這裡當官像大家都在當官所以你們會把你們的職位讓嗎現在總統他已經當總統了他會讓別人當總統嗎 |
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不可能嘛,所以說怎麼叫做去一個大陸又說清工去一個國外去跟大陸交流就清工所以說大家都清工了所以我們國家是不是跟中國一樣對不對,所以我們希望的就是在哪一個地方在哪裡生根就像我爸說的,我爸說我是哪裡人我是廣東人還是客家人我爸爸說只要你活得快樂你就是那裡的人 |
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對待我們就是臺灣人我們希望住在臺灣把臺灣就是顧好把我們的經濟把我們的生活主席讓他有一個一題我想要問一下就是現在特別的時間是這個貿易的部分也希望說不要就是 |
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貿易壁壘現在是大家說的所以因為現在不管是貿易的部分或者是大家在台灣共同來去推廣經濟還有就是台灣的和平這兩項我希望主委可不可以答應大家去做得到因為你就是橋樑你就是跟對岸的窗口 |
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報告委員委員的建議都非常的好那因為有關於貿易的談判基本上是由經濟部國貿局他們在做這樣的一個負責是那在國際組織上面大概就在WTO對但是關於我們的新宿民陸配的部分還有就是觀光的部分昨天已經講了這些都是你是直接的拜託你就是要有一個溝通的廣告直接面對問題解決問題你才是最大的 |
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問題的存在就是趕快你又再升官又再連續當官了所以拜託你拜託以上謝謝謝謝蔓越正委員的質詢我希望這個邱這個主委還有李大輝董事長還有我們的民宿長你們能夠聽進去他真的是一席話打動了大家的心坎謝謝好繼續我們請許新穎委員來質詢 |
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主席在座各位委員各位官員還有各位媒體先生女士大家好本席有請陸委會邱主委邱主委 |
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主委好主委在一開始我想說先就今天麻煩您所有的詢答呢照問題回答不要答非所問然後如果是深論題請重點式的回答首先第一個您昨天有說到我們這個中國大陸的M503航線事件 |
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路委會有趣溝通本席今天給你時間請你具體的說明是何人何時去何地跟誰溝通請邱主委回答第一個我想M503是交通部他們做這個全責單位那過去基本上也是由交通部先透過他們的這個聯繫管道去表達這樣的一個意見 |
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所以是交通部誰去溝通M503是一個國際航線嘛對對對當然本來就是交通部民航局所以跟對岸的溝通不管是飛安航安或者是其他的所以陸委會沒有去溝通這樣的一個問題當然他會涉及到兩岸的這樣的一個安全因為你昨天說有溝通了嘛這樣溝通沒有效 |
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想請教邱主委 |
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跟對岸我們陸委會有沒有想辦法去溝通有沒有你回答我們大概所有的兩岸發生的一些議題我們都會有這個意見的一個表達你們用什麼當溝通管道我昨天就已經提到了大概所有的議題 |
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因為過去簽了26項的協議基本上就是每一個協議裡面都有一個聯繫窗口這是一個過去本來就建議有的機制 |
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譬如說現在我們現在舉一個簡單可能環球媒體委員會關心農產品如果他檢驗不合格什麼等等他們的海關會發函給我們的海關說你到底在哪一批什麼等等所以這樣感覺所有要跟大陸溝通的我們陸委會都甩鍋給其他個單位 |
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聽起來因為到現在沒有感覺沒關係我講所以感覺我們陸委會跟對岸剛剛其實蔓玉珍委員也一直強調本席相信今天所有委員大概 |
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都希望我們陸委會跟對岸有實質的溝通協調能夠有實質的作為但是實際上我們的陸委會都沒有所以民眾都覺得好像都是用三明治媒體在溝通只有放話那再來請問蔡政府八年來有沒有針對什麼事件有派代表或秘使去大陸溝通嗎或者邀請對岸派代表來溝通或討論兩岸事務 |
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這個恐怕你要問蔡總統了但是我要告訴你的你是陸委會主委你就代表蔡總統我說蔡政府8年我現在要講的就在於說我昨天其實也報告過了好幾個事項譬如說兩位共打犯罪我們幫他送了5、3個人過來我們幫他送了大概13個還是14個過去那你覺得這個這樣的一個公權力的執行 |
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需要不需要溝通,什麼時間點要送到哪裡,影片要不要交換,各位大概就可以理解基本事務的處理大概都有但是兩岸的僵局一直是大家所憂心的 |
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包含到今天連我們的國防部長也都說他這麼多年來最擔心的就是兩岸情勢的這種惡性螺旋上升我沒有問題我再說明那接著 |
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本席想請教我們中非在南海的衝突3月5號那中共的海警船跟民兵漁船呢攻擊了菲律賓的海岸防衛部隊請問主委您認為這樣類似的衝突有無可能我是問你可能還是不可能有無可能會發生在我們海巡以及大陸海警艦艇 |
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來發聲有沒有可能基本上我沒有辦法做這樣的預判但是我相信我認為沒辦法預判兩岸局勢就是陸軍單位我們海軍跟我們的這個海軍對於所有外界的這樣的一個陸軍我們都有一個依法的SOP好OK我們先有一個預警的我瞭解我瞭解有一個回擊的地帶那我想兩岸都很清楚知道如果想要去侵犯人家的領海那 |
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請問陸委會必須掌握大陸的法規動態那請問陸委會有沒有購買中國大陸的法規資料庫例如北大法寶大陸法規資料有沒有 |
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4110.04 |
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我們這個海委會的管碧玲主委他之前公開說他說我方船舶遇到中國大陸的這個海警船要登檢那不要停船趕快開走請問管主委有先問過您的意見嗎他在講這句話我不知道他什麼時候講這句話啦他的依據我想是他自己 |
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同樣在同一個執政的政府裡那彼此同才之間都互不相通表示管主委對陸委會很多兩岸局勢的研判也都 |
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如果大陸的公務船要求臨檢那如果不停船快速離開大陸法規制式規定的做法是怎麼樣您了解嗎我想我剛剛提到了 |
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這個基本上海巡署他們有所謂的海巡的SOP這個基本上依法業務的執行本席的問題是如果我們陸委會陸委會的職責就是要去了解對岸而且保障我們目的是要主管機關也要了解我現在沒問你保障我們台灣人民的安全權益特別在像現在金下海域 |
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4203.675 |
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現在傳越來越多隨時十幾艘密密麻麻的那如果我們沒有讓我們沒有研判整個的情勢你們只有批判對岸沒有研判兩岸情勢的情況下我們的漁民無所適從那大陸委會這裡也都如果碰到相關的情況 |
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會不會去做溝通尤其現在兩岸升溫兩岸升溫國防部他非常緊張但陸委會完全沒有採取任何的措施去降溫所以這一塊我們要請這個邱主委 |
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我們跟對岸不要繼續這樣講話我們不要不溝通不交流不協商我先講我們能夠多去溝通交流其實是在維護台灣的尊嚴也是爭取台灣民眾的權益 |
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| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
但如果一直不去其實反而是矮化我們台灣的地位好接著接著我現在在評論我再告訴你所以我從週一到週三到週四我們看到陸委會的報告感覺陸委會是沒有什麼角色跟功能沒有看到想要改善兩岸關係的一個企圖所以 |
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嘴巴說這個有交流但實際上就是僵持只有立場沒有實質的作為本席看到的是這樣那包含我們台灣的藝人在大陸表態政治立場我們看了都很不捨 |
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4312 |
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可是陸委會只會要求或請我們的藝人要小心這個小心那個然後告訴我們的漁民警告這個警告那個所以大陸委員會變成大陸警告委員會大陸宣誓委員會大陸議事形態委員會沒有實質作為最後本席還要再說我們的一個鄉親新竹的一個鄉親在110年11月24日他的先生在大陸過世 |
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結果要把遺體火化送回來致電海基會得到的結果是兩岸完全沒有聯繫溝通的管道沒辦法幫上忙所以因為臺灣相關單位不能幫忙民眾只能靠自己花雙倍的錢本來可能只要25萬要花50萬然後最後 |
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好不容易很折騰的把遺體送回來了去我們的戶政單位儲戶儲戶的時候說時間過了所以民眾感慨政府執政無能累死百姓所以我們看到我們看到陸委會跟海基會這樣子的這個沒有功能所以我們覺得 |
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| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
除非我們未來有實質的作為 |
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| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
主席給我回答第一我覺得台灣有一些人基本上對事實的是非恐怕緣起搞不清到今天為止我們的海巡海軍從來沒有進入過大陸的不管境線水或領海 |
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| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
請尊重召委 |
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| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
我剛剛說我會把你留時間就我們質詢委員這個問的問題相關問題來回答但是你剛剛沒有你剛剛的他剛剛是說是不是要裁撤你們陸委會或是要合併對對不起好不好那所以你剛剛回答的是說不是你們業務範圍的你不便在這邊回答所以你剛剛回答的也不是你業務範圍之內的事情好不好謝謝主委 |
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| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
4439.395 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
羅致強委員質詢 |
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| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
4469.114 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
主席有請邱主委我們有請邱主委謝謝中華民國憲法是災難請問這句話誰講的我沒有特別記住應該是有人講過吧你身為民進黨的閣員連賴清德總統當選人的話你都不記得啊 |
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| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
4501.544 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
中華民國憲法是災難就是賴清德講的賴清德總統當選講的裝傻沒關係來沒關係沒關係你連賴清德總統的金句名言都出了主席暫停時間不要打斷我 |
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我們請這個主委耐心的聽完我們這個質詢他會讓我跟他有時間要有回應的我們會讓您在你的優惠範圍之內回答好不好謝謝我們互相尊重感謝您邱主委謝謝 |
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中華民國憲法是災難請問邱泰山主委你認不認同賴清德這句話我想蔡總統大概在2016年520就職的時候就已經講過了你認不認同我問的不是蔡英文不是賴清德您認不認同因為我不知道他的邏輯是甚麼你叫我去評斷一個我不知道他的邏輯中華民國憲法是災難哪一個中文字你看不懂不是 |
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我想要講出這樣的一個結論一定有他的邏輯思維啊那我不知道他的邏輯思維謝謝您啊顯然我們的邱主委也不敢附送賴清德總統當選的金句名我非常擔心啊像你這樣的態度怎麼配合賴清德總統未來施政我是蔡總統的陸委會主委沒關係你是民進黨的閣員吧現在還是蔡總統啊現在主席是誰 |
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中華民國憲法不是災難啦沒錯吧中華民國憲法不是災難你也答不出來那我問你如果會是不是個災難如果會是不是個災難 |
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陸委會是不是災難?陸委會不會是災難阿非常好陸委會是根據什麼的法律所產生的單位?就是中華民國憲法所以呢我告訴你今天我欣賞我們邱太三主委他也知道賴清德這句話是嚴重的羞辱中華民國所以你連負受的勇氣都不敢主席時間暫停 |
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我還沒有問問題你一直插話幹什麼沒有你已經下結論了我要先教他一下憲法程序問題中華民國憲法徵修條文第二條第三款的後段是什麼你告訴我沒辦法啦中華民國憲法是災難你不懂嘛 |
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官員有接受立法委員質詢的義務沒有說你可以插話中華民國憲法規定的是規定的是你要答詢答詢前提是我要問問題我問的問題我沒問問題你可以回答嗎 |
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| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
暫停會議 |
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謝謝我們會委員謝謝我們剛剛那個我們的質詢委員就說他希望他問您的時候您再回答當中不要插話我想這是最基本的禮貌好不好可不可以好會給你好嗎謝謝不要插話 |
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法定人數不足 |
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我問你中華民國憲法是災難是誰說的我給你回答的機會我在問你說你認不認同中華民國憲法是災難我又給你回答的機會我在問你說陸委會是不是中華民國災難憲法下的機關我也給你回答的機會問題是我在論述我還沒問問題我在問問題的背景的時候請你不要插話 |
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我想請教你齁 我跟你直接講啦 我的結論啦賴清德才是中華民國憲法的災難啦我再問你下一個問題齁陸配享受的福利遠比外配來的多請問這句話你認同嗎 |
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呃基本上我不知道這些人的數字是從哪裡來的你是陸委會你是無法機關我要跟你報告我問你認不認同這句話我要報告認同不認同來陸備小送福利員比外配來的多 |
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陸配享受福利遠比外配來得多?認不認同啊?很好啊,你也認為各有優勢嘛,沒有認為比較多啊?你也認為比較多啊?你認為沒有比較多啊?你知道這句話誰講的嗎?這一句話是陳建仁院長講的啊? |
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所以你打臉賴清德恭喜你又打臉了陳建仁你這個格言真的好棒棒去查去查議事記錄陳建仁在答詢的時候講的沒關係啦我再問齁請問你齁為什麼陳建仁說陸配享受福利遠比外配來的多解釋一下吧 |
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4855.714 |
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第一個我想各位大家可能不太了解那些福利遠比外配多譬如說陸配的紫矣血金跟他的子女我來跟你歸納啦你聽聽看啦我聽到民進黨很多人說法因為外籍的配偶要有財力證明才能取得中華民國國籍嘛陸配不用嘛 |
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是不是這個都取消了啦取消啦你也知道取消啦恭喜你打臉中嘉賓恭喜你啊中嘉賓說憑什麼外配要財力證明陸配不用啊哇你好棒喔打臉賴新人打臉陳建仁還要打臉中嘉賓好再來另外齁另外齁我會問 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
4906.502 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
4912.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
貴黨委員不斷強調陸配的一心會消耗所謂的健保資源 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].start |
4913.188 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
4923.437 |
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你認不認同?你不要批評我的邏輯思維,你也不要批評王帝宇的邏輯思維,你也不要批評周佳萍王帝宇的邏輯思維,我問的是你的邏輯思維!我問你啊!好啦,我告訴你,這個話是王帝宇講的啦!王帝宇講啦! |
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4938.471 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
4942.952 |
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我們的醫療可能會嚴重衝擊啦抱歉你也打臉亡定因為你不肯正面回答這個問題我直接跟你講你再不答不出來我真的覺得陸培可以踩車陸培醫青啊一年幾個名額啊 |
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4960.803 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].end |
4982.467 |
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幾個名額啊現在有排序按照那個先後的登記60個名額都答不出來講那麼長的漏漏騰騰的前提後語你擺明在消耗委員的時間嘛我也懂你的質詢答詢技術請問6年這個每年60個人請問現在排隊排多少人 |
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4985.282 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
5001.341 |
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連這個都答不出來 上千人啊對啊 幾千人啊 請問您幾千人消耗多少年要申請到多少年 才能把幾千人全部都消耗完我問你喔 六年喔 數學問題啦陸配六年 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].start |
5005.953 |
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5025.086 |
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每年60人改成4年每年60人排隊幾千人請問會增加一清的消耗健保嗎後面那個部分我先回答你前面的部分我不用我要你回答這個這個政策不是我們實驗暫停實驗暫停我要回答你60個名額的這個政策嘛 |
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5028.53 |
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5029.691 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
這個民格的設定不是在我們設定的在之前就設定的 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].start |
5057.438 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
5058.559 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
講完了沒有?講完了沒有? |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
5081.633 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
5084.894 |
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數學問題等6年一年60個人排隊幾千人改成等4年一年60個人排隊幾千人健保資源會一位醫卿來增加負擔嗎 |
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| transcript.whisperx[134].end |
5105.675 |
| transcript.whisperx[134].text |
打臉別人感謝以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].start |
5114.591 |
| transcript.whisperx[135].end |
5119.754 |
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謝謝羅志強委員執行那好我跟你 沒關係 周主委我現在給你時間就是一分鐘的時間剛剛就你想回答的憲法的問題還有你剛剛其實已經回答了 |
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5157.3 |
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好所以不是召委不給你時間我要給你但是其他委員好非常謝謝謝謝謝謝主委我本來是要給你時間回答但是在場有民進黨的委員說不回答了好OK謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].start |
5160.316 |
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5162.476 |
| transcript.whisperx[137].text |
打斷思維的 連在場的人思維都打亂了 |
| transcript.whisperx[138].start |
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謝謝主席齁 我們請邱主委好 我們請邱主委 謝謝主委辛苦了齁 這個這個掐頭去尾的這種丟問題不給回答的方法 老實說應該你剛剛還能夠回答我是蠻敬佩的啦 因為我在下面準備諮詢稿我已經整個亂掉了我不知道他剛剛自己要問什麼他都亂掉了所以你剛剛還可以回答我蠻敬佩的啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[139].start |
5216.474 |
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這個如果立法委員質詢當然是我們的天職阿但是如果立法委員的談話齁都只有謾罵或者是只有丟問題丟了就跑我看依然沒有人要做中華民國的官員了啦對啦阿好啦我現在也是在整理我的思維啦 |
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5237.698 |
| transcript.whisperx[140].text |
昨天晚上習近平發表談話了 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].start |
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5274.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
昨天在備詢的時候主委你說我現在還無法下論斷當時是在回答我們高級委員的時候你說李強的報告刪除和平統一和平兩個字的時候你說你們還沒有辦法下論斷那現在昨天晚上習近平講話啦那現在你有沒有辦法告訴我們你有什麼看法 |
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第一個是這樣因為當時我還沒有完整的看完李強縱使他很多人關注到他掃掉所謂和平統一其實他前面那句話是希望能夠和平發展最後才所謂的完成祖國的統一所以他在完成祖國的統一掃掉和平但是他在前面那句話其實已經講希望雙方能夠和平發展那這個是第一個李強的部分但是各位都知道現在 |
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5317.835 |
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全中國大陸整個共產黨的領導他是以黨領政所以最後還是要由習主席總書記去做拍板定言那他在下團組在福建的部分他已經做了這樣的一個說明跟指示了所以我想這個爭議已經 |
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5347.825 |
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主委你現在的講法其實是跟我等一下要問的其實都是同一個脈絡就是你其實是帶著善意的眼光在看對方是我們台灣一直一直就是用善意的角度在跟希望可以跟中國往來互動喔我們是希望往來互動的喔但是老實講我自己的觀察是這樣啦事實上連昨天的紐約時報都已經說了這個取消總理記者會就是中國關上了最後一扇小窗 |
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5348.385 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].end |
5369.883 |
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意思是說中國從今以後就更不透明更封閉了因為過往我們大家都知道中國的所有的會議都是已經決定好方向然後才開始在那邊照章演出啊那好比我有個總理記者會就算你知道他期間要問什麼問題但你還是至少可以演一下嘛至少我可以在中間插幾個問題那他現在連這個對外的記者會都沒有了所以外媒一致的評價是中國越來越封閉 |
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對我們而言的影響是什麼我們的影響是民主的威脅會更大啊因為民主的呈現就是多元的聲音包括像你看剛剛前面那個質詢的和我現在和我們等一下講的每個人意見都不一樣就同一個終極配偶的入籍台灣的這個議題我們每個人10個人可能會有11個意見這就是台灣這就是民主嘛可是中國永遠都只有一種聲音啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].start |
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5397.683 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
民主之惡 |
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| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
但是反而變得多錯啊我覺得這樣很可惜 非常的可惜這是我的論點啦那我們就回來像我剛剛就看你的報告M503講很多了啦跟昨天差很多那我們今天現在來講這個大家都關心的這個中國籍配偶入籍台灣的案主委你能不能夠用最短的狀況來描述一下中國籍配偶要入籍台灣有哪些程序 |
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基本上當然他結婚之後呢他可以申請來台灣團聚團聚之後就可以說開始進入流程嘛軍居留之後就可以長期居留長期居留之後才有所謂定居所以你看其實我們這邊有很多嘛有好多個關卡我們把每一個關卡的話就用一個黑點點這樣拉起來的話1234中國籍配偶取得身份證的程序有4個關卡 |
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外配 因為我們台灣特殊國情的狀況我們把所有的外籍配偶又區分為中國籍配偶和中國籍以外的統稱為外配所以在本屆我們會稱之為中配跟外配中配是四個關卡 你看外配要取得身份證有幾個黑點 |
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5498.234 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].end |
5519.726 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
太多了吧 這個一看數學問題嘛剛剛不是一直在問數學問題嗎 主委上面有幾個黑點下面有幾個黑點數學問題差很多吧 這個關卡就差很多個啊不管是條件 不管是期限中國籍配偶跟外國籍配偶要取得身份證的關卡從數字就不一樣多條件也不一樣 |
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5520.706 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
5546.018 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
那我們剛剛其實這幾天坊間已經幫我們做出了非常多的表格齁這包括了包括了這個欸我們還可以再考一個啦來來來我們下一個下一個下一張圖片主委你看一下這張考卷這張考卷第一問題一中華民國總統是由誰直接投票選舉產生的一中華民國自由地區全體人民二立法委員三直轄縣市長答案是什麼 |
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| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
5572.189 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
一二三四五你覺得這張考卷是在考什麼這不是在考公職委員這張考卷是我們的外籍配偶規劃考試要去考的耶可是這個也不對嗎老實講全世界大部分的國家在你要申請該國國籍規劃考試的時候都有像這樣的筆試 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].start |
5573.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
5589.327 |
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表彰你對該國的瞭解你對語言的認知已經進入該國生活水平的狀況對不對那甚至有些國家還有口試阿所以這個跟大家都一樣嘛好這是外配阿中配要不要中配不用阿中配不用這個考試阿 |
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法定人數不足 |
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最重要因為時代不同我們這個外配中配入籍台灣制度已經推很久了嘛所以依據時間的不同其實大家著重的重點不一樣你知道現在外籍配最看重的條件是哪一件嗎要不要放棄國籍 |
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他們現在不管任何國家不管中國不管是越南泰國任何國家啦要決定申請要不要申請中華民國身份證也就是取得我國國籍的這一個項目裡面他們考量最大是什麼是考量要不要放棄他的某國國籍啊 |
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對阿因為現在其他國家東南亞甚至我們常說東南亞他們的國家的經濟水平等等也都越來越好那我為什麼要放棄我的母國國籍差別很大可是誰不用考慮要不要放棄國籍中國籍配偶不用考慮阿 |
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他只要放棄戶籍就好啦所以剛剛在這裡其他的委員有新住民的委員在說的除了年限 申請年限說中配希望比照外配之外他其實沒有說出口的就是外配也希望比照中配我可以不用放棄國籍啊但是全世界非常多的國家也是是這樣狀況不要說別的中華人民共和國的國籍法第8條就規定中國不允許雙重國籍的啊不是這樣嗎 |
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不是這樣嗎?中國不允許雙重國籍嗎?對啊那我們呢?所以你覺得到目前為止我們中配和外配的規劃制度你認為如何?基本上我想我要再誠懇的跟委員還有各委員會報告這樣的一個議題呢真的會是攀躲它的盒子它會讓中配跟外配還有其他的 |
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會有更多的比較進來這一比就比不完啊所以我說這個真的是要比較利弊得失啦不要把這個變成陸配變成是一個國人而且會而且據我的了解我去調的資料我去了解了以後其實我們的外配是10年到8年平均是6.5年所謂60個名額外配是一個都沒有啊一個都沒有啊他要投資一名才可以啊 |
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所以這個問題很大我們是希望能夠比較利弊得失所以在我剛剛一開始也報告了就是說在101年其實馬政府的時候他就提出了草案但是105又再度提出結果兩次還是都沒有通過所以說他真的需要社會的共識需要比 |
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不要因為這樣子造成更多的混亂我完全同意這個都可以討論任何制度國家政策都可以討論但是需要有全民共識我完全贊同所以我必須用今天的時間再另外提出一點跟社會討論的部分也聽你的答案現在在野黨在主張這個議題的時候除了剛剛的公平性之外另外一個就是主張說因為我們要向全球搶人才所以人才日期條件要放寬請問你認為搶人才跟本件有關聯性嗎 |
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沒有吧今天我們這題在討論的是配偶搶人才怎麼會用婚姻來做討論呢我們搶人才我們有我們國發會的這種金庫啊的人才的專案等等啊其實是相當多的嘛所以我覺得所有的議題都可以討論但不應該混為一談而且優劣利益應該要站在一起並且把我們已經提出的善意向社會各界具體的表述那大家來看嘛 |
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我請先請那個邱主委 |
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有請邱主委主委我程旭剛剛的這個蘇委員剛剛的問題其實啊 |
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這個規劃這什麼的問題啊齁我只問一個就是啊我們有很多東南亞的僑生來台灣念書對不對對沒有錯我亞洲大學就很多對那他也不是齁如果我們台灣的年輕人跟我們的東南亞的華人結婚他規劃台灣的國籍的程序跟路配有沒有一樣 |
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當然不一樣了有沒有一樣這個外配跟陸配是不一樣的不一樣嘛對不對那他是華人喔他是華人我說的是東南亞的華人來台灣念書的很多我們以前還有華僑高中還有什麼特別對這些我們的華僑以前講的華僑那些可能台僑或什麼那我不管他是華人 |
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如果是東南亞不管哪一個國家我們的華人跟我們的台灣人結婚 |
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他的規劃跟陸培是不一樣欸對不對這樣的話對他們是不是很不公平啊 |
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所以感謝委員我確實誠懇的呼籲這個問題真的是稍微大家再溝通一下因為這個利弊得失如果一掀出來的話反而是造成社會上更大的風波所以我們也為什麼說我們陸委會還是審慎保留原因也在這裡因為這個無視起風波真的是潘朵拉的盒子 |
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對啦除了潘朵拉的盒子之外我覺得很多事情台灣你要在國際上讓人家看到要公平如果說你的條件是一致我覺得這些華人 |
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你你你把他你也他也是跟其他外配一樣啊這這人家的全全世界怎麼看台灣齁我覺得這個我們要要考慮另外啊昨天啊欸應該是不是3月3月6號啊我們陸委會有公布一個復路就學你不能不知道的八件事這個很早就有了 |
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每年都會有啦每年都會有啦齁 |
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所以我想要在這邊請教一下主委目前大概有多少學生附中我們知道嗎?有統計嗎?估算上是這樣子因為過去陸方也有一些統計但是後來他們也不再做統計但是我們從最近大概幾個報導跟幾個資料上來推算那我們這邊教育部大概也有一些基本的估算我們一年大概 |
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主委中國都對外宣稱我們每年有好幾千人去那邊就學你先聽我講完很多人但我不知道 |
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但是根據我們教育部的統計應屆高中畢業生附中就學每年大概300人 |
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每年這是教育部的資料啦每年大概300人那我知道我們附中念書的有可能是我們有台商的子女或什麼在那邊嘛那個不一樣嘛但如果就教育部說每年大概300個人這是教育部的資料啦 |
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阿跟中國宣傳的每年好幾千人欸這個差很多欸包委員因為有的是大學畢業他去念碩士班或研究所啦那不是只有高中生而已對我知道但 |
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去那研究所的有好幾...這個300個人而已喔那有好幾千人嗎我覺得這個齁不是要考試的問題我是覺得這個數字也要正確也要讓我們台灣的學子知道那這個到底是...他一直宣傳好幾千人好像去那邊很好啊 |
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然後就業呢然後還要給你優待阿什麼的阿就畫一個很圓滿的願景給你阿對不對那就是要吸收台灣的人才阿阿然後把台灣人去那邊就業什麼的阿然後到時候有一些你也知道在中國不管哪裡都有思想的讓你慢慢的阿對啊都有思想的問題阿阿所以我覺得這個必須要讓我們的青年學子知道 |
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數字是多少啦我覺得我們來跟教育部再看怎麼樣的方式包括海基會其實他們也有關心台商那個台生的這個小組 |
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對阿所以我覺得這個要啦齁不然你看阿他們有實施愛國主義教育法等等的然後還有那到時候他們如果說念完大學要再去國外要繼續留學深造這個利弊得失我覺得要讓我們的年輕人知道這一點啦阿不然齁這個訊息錯誤的話齁我覺得是不好啦齁好這一點可能是要麻煩你們啦齁那 |
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還有一個我還是要請教一下這一個他們的山中全會是不是都還沒召開我說中國的中國的山中全會 |
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基本上我們也一直持續在觀察很奇怪到現在都還沒有召開所以這也會影響到我們對他兩會到底報告的內容會有什麼樣的重點第二個人事的問題會不會來積極的注意這個都有一點連動所以我們都在持續在觀察當中 |
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對啦我為什麼要特別請教這個我覺得這個應該不是只有我們台灣會關心應該是全世界在關心這個是非常不尋常的非常不尋常的連總理的中外記者會取消然後連什麼這一連串的不尋常的我覺得 |
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他們的怎麼樣我們當然超不上但我們要注意這種些微的這些怪怪的地方在哪裡那我覺得事出必有因有這麼奇怪的動作我覺得我相信你們可能也如果主委說你已經有注意到了我只是要說就是說 |
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有奇怪的不尋常的動作發生我們可能要提早因應有什麼的我覺得這個可能是全世界關注的我覺得這個大家要小心一點我再跟委員做一個補充其實另外有一個他們的法律的修正才是大概就可以看出未來的一些端倪他這個所謂國務院的組織法的修改裡面有一條是說要接受黨的領導 |
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事項領導所以很顯然習他不只是黨而已他連國務院他都想要介入這也連動到剛剛您有提到注意到的也就是說為什麼總理李強的記者會也被取消掉了因為恐怕他們所有的政策都是他一人派定你不能隨便詮釋 |
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解釋了 |
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好謝謝張宏祿委員的質詢謝謝謝謝也謝謝主委謝謝繼續我們請劉許廷委員來質詢我們等一下投影片好不好謝謝好啦好這個有請陸委會主委邱戴珊還有這個海基會董事長李大維李董事長劉仁豪 |
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謝謝主席,兩位早安先看一下照片吧 |
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這位是誰解答一下看起來這個李大輝董事長反應比較快喔主委應該也知道吧這個很重要好不好對外聯絡部沒錯有一個講出單位一個講出名字那是不錯的對阿這個前陣子媒體盛傳他有可能會接掌這個中國大陸這邊的這個外交的一把手 |
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也講說可能會在中共兩會的時候來做宣布在外媒的詮釋上來講這可能是對中美關係有比較大的影響因為相對王毅來講他可能是一個相對溫和的在各大媒體的解讀上是這樣但是兩會好像已經稍微告一段落 |
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但這樣子的人事發布並沒有出現感覺中國大陸對外的人事布局沒有太大的變化我們一開始先開放一點我想請問兩位怎麼解讀這樣子的人事安排對於美中關係的變化是什麼一個人30秒好不好我們時間有限 |
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基本上剛剛有提到大概中國大陸他們的人事雖然最終是要在人大確定但是呢他們原則上以黨領政所以在三中全會我們本來以為他會對未來的經濟政策跟他的人事的佈局三中全會會先開完那再交給人大來做處理這一次沒有說話確實是有一點值得我們後續要 |
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李大為董事長怎麼詮釋這樣的事情報告業務委員因為海基會的執掌並沒有掌管這個人事的部分我聽聽評估我想劉建超先生他是一個很資深的外交官在過去普遍大家認為他的姿態比較柔軟所以說外媒是採取一個比較樂觀的態度希望他不要再比較戰狼 |
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所以在這樣子的狀況落空的情況之下這兩位對於這件事情的政治意涵怎麼解讀中國大陸接下來在對外政策上面繼續強硬嗎還是有可能有改變的契機我想委員大家很清楚大概美中才是一個關鍵所在那從去年的舊金山會議之後呢那雙方就希望說能夠建立一個一定階層的這樣的一個工作聯繫匯報那加上 |
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今年是美國總統的大選大選 敏感中國應該是對於美國的整體的情勢會有比較審慎的處理我們看他最近的態度上面雙方都希望建立工作的對話層級能夠持續不斷以避免意外的出現 |
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李道遠董事長對於這樣的一個布局這樣的一個走向你是樂觀還是悲觀會不會順利就是中美之間你覺得是會升溫還是會低檔在台灣中華民國外交官是沒有悲觀的權利很好這個回答我願意同意但是呢我們也想到這個最可能壞的這個狀況 |
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因為局勢的變化為什麼要先從中美關係來切入就是因為大的局勢變化當然會影響我們兩岸關係那我要再問一下再追問一下但時間實在是有點限下一張投影片來這個美國國務卿布林肯本來這一樣是外媒在1月的時候開始去傳可能布林肯要來訪中但有可能就定在春季甚至大家會延伸可能有再一次的所謂的派息會但看起來喔這個兩位覺得成局的機會大嗎 |
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這我沒有辦法回答那我問李董事長你覺得咧我不能以董事長的身份回答這個問題啊但是啊這個布林肯啊不好意思這個李董事長您今天來這邊的身份是就是沒有問題的我要問的是評估啊不會我問的是評估你可以說私底下跟他回答 |
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你現在在立法院你不是個人的身份抱歉我提醒你董事長這個我不是要問我們的官方立場但是我要了解我們官方對於中美政治走向的評估我們今天提這樣的質詢的用意是這樣所以您覺得評估是這個有機會中美之間稍微和緩一點所以這個局有可能成還是你覺得恐怕我們應該要審慎一點再觀察 |
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我想基本上我們是希望看到他們關係走到希望看到關係和緩好謝謝這個喔去談這件事就是因為我剛剛所講的中美關係會影響未來的兩岸關係今天是業務報告我們大家談一些大方向的事情2024的兩岸關係啊 |
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我希望聽到像李大維這樣李大維董事長這樣子的回答因為兩岸關係目前我們所看到的各種跡象來看其實是山雨欲來從金門海域的局勢升高ECFA取消關稅優惠到我們的團客復入的轉彎感覺沒有樂觀的本錢那當然這個是民進黨政府的政治決策這是你們的執政的方向那我當然就要問一下接下來一些細節上的處理 |
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邱主委還記得我們在禮拜一的質詢的時候我請你我問了三個問題請你書面答覆嘛你這個到現在書面都還沒有回來是速度是有點慢的我要先講一下金門撞船案的後續啦兩岸是不是有這樣子的默契然後第二個是默契出現起義的時候有沒有處理的機制你今天就直接回答我好了 |
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現在看起來這個禁限制水域的狀況是被破壞掉的請問遇到這樣子的狀況的時候我們處置的方式是什麼其實那天我想我跟管主委大概有回應了那基本上就是我們對於所謂禁限制水域的執法我們有一套的SOP那這個SOP海巡署我不是問你執法嘛我那天就講了你當然不負責執法但是問題是你負責的是跟對岸的溝通嘛對不對你現在遇到這樣子局勢升溫的情況下我們是透過哪一條管道來處理 |
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兩個層面其實那天那個周美武署長他大概有提到其實過去兩岸在海上執法的部分大概過去恐怕有30次以上的共同打擊犯罪海上的救助那這個都是兩岸的海巡單位他們本來就有進行我想那天周美武署長應該有跟你報告你不要把問題推給海巡我的問題是你現在作為陸委會你現在跟他溝通面對局勢升溫你透過哪一條管道表達了什麼樣的立場 |
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你是走降溫呢還是乾脆我們就捍衛我們的立場有什麼降溫的方向但是你對於能夠順利降溫你有多少把握這我想一個銅板敲不響 |
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所以現在你想降溫對方不想降溫的意思喔我們在等待對方因為談判的過程中當然各有所堅持也各有一些進展但是呢最後有一些他們可能認為有政治敏感或者是其他敏感所以你給這題的答案叫一個巴掌拍不響嘛對不對你希望降溫但是對結果沒有把握當然你有多大把握可以順利降溫然後這個是可以善良 |
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我們也都持續在關注對海峽的一些反應這一個題目第二個題目是ECFA這個我請李大偉董事長來回答畢竟當初簽的時候還是用海基海協的方式來簽這個1月的時候其實去年的時候他就說要宣布終止12項的優惠關稅並且講說會研究其他項次的取消這當然對台灣的產業來講也許會造成一些的衝擊 |
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請問李道遠董事長你的評估今年有沒有可能就發生在今年除了這12項以外剩下的項次會被取消如果有可能被取消的話哪一些項次會優先被取消事實上ECFA是互利互惠的不是單方面的也就是說是你取消了以後也可能造成的後果對於台商甚至於對於外商的各種連鎖反應 |
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以你的評估來講會不會有這樣的狀況我認為陸方會非常的審慎處理這個案子不會憑著一兩個原因就做一個決定所以覺得今年應該不會剩下的項目取消嗎我還是審慎的樂觀 |
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審慎樂觀好 謝謝本席在這邊要提出這樣的關係的原因是因為如果今天不管是陸委會主委或者是海基會董事長當然就是面對兩岸溝通的第一線你們對於政治局勢的掌握跟政治局勢的判斷跟預判會影響我們中央政府其他部會處理這些事情的具體方式 |
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所以兩方面的判斷其實是很重要的當你們樂觀你們認為會降溫的時候那大家政府相關的配套就會往這裡對焦但是萬一沒有做到的時候你可能會那個我寧願希望在這樣子的議事堂我們就聽到實話如果中午可能會升溫你乾脆早一點講有可能會升溫我們的關稅優惠有可能如果繼續被取消的話你就提早講至少讓我們政府的其他部會做提早的因應這是本期今天質詢的意義第三個是團客賦入這我跟邱太三主委昨天也講了 |
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熱臉貼冷屁股這個就是一個很不好的例子嘛對不對因為你當然可以講說啊這個金門的問題是海巡要負責N法問題經濟部要負責團客附路的問題交通部負責可是關鍵是這些跟兩岸相關的跟兩岸的局勢有關兩岸局勢就你們負責嘛 |
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兩岸局勢你掌握不好轉彎或什麼的時候其實就影響了其他部位的執行績效然後再進一步影響其他產業我們現在在這個地方提質詢2024的兩岸關係本期個人是表達有一點悲觀剛剛我們談中美關係為什麼我先講劉建超為什麼我們提布林肯 |
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因為看起來本來世界所期待的中美的低檔讓局勢趨於穩定也是我們李大維董事長希望的這樣子的局勢從實際上的發展看起來好像沒有那麼順利嘛劉建超被認定鴿派的人並沒有接任外資部的一把手 |
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本來希望布林肯訪路現在看起來中國姿態擺得非常高看起來中國大陸會用強硬的單邊主義來處理全世界的局勢也會用相對強硬升溫的方式來處理兩岸的問題所以我希望兩位雖然大家心裡都希望審慎樂觀但是我要提醒未來的政府 |
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可能要做局勢升溫的全面準備所以今天在這個地方提這個質詢希望我當然希望我們的這個預警不要成真但是如果不幸成真當初大家的預觀希望樂觀希望降溫的狀況沒有發生的時候我不希望我們的政府再發生像團客這樣的事情是本來樂觀預期然後後來滿臉逗話的狀況絕對不能再發生我寧願你們提早做好準備這樣可以嗎 |
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黃婕委員質詢結束 |
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好那我們請邱主委有請邱主委好那好謝謝主席因為其實最近我的服務處接到非常多的電話然後包括說地方上的里長也都紛紛來跟我表達說因為最近大家在討論這個中退入籍縮短的事情其實大家都很有反應然後大家其實都蠻擔心的 |
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那這個擔心其實來自幾個層面第一個是其實最近大家在討論的健保那這個其實當然也有健保署也有說過他們有做過他們整體的評估了就是說如果年長者來這邊繳少用多的情況可能會有爭議那也會有公平性的疑慮那另外一部分還有包括對於民主跟國安的疑慮這個也是很多民眾來跟我反映的 |
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然後他們很希望說我們陸委會是不是在這件事情上面可以有個態度有個立場然後來把這件事情跟大家講清楚否則大家在這種疑慮當中對於台灣的未來其實是非常擔憂的所以我想要藉這個機會來請教一下主委首先第一個可以幫我放我的比較表格嗎有嗎 |
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暫停時間請助理麻煩處理一下好那當然因為大家知道說其實中國籍的配偶跟外籍的配偶的依據的法源不同一個是兩岸人民關係條例那外配的依據是國籍法這個是某法的不同 |
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那因為大家都認為說如果我們要一起討論那就是國籍法跟兩岸人民關係條例一起來討論這樣才公平那這個是我做的比較的表格我想要問一下說如果我們真的要一步一步來討論公平性的話除了現在大家說的年限不同請問中配跟外配在取得身份證的條件上目前還有什麼不同可不可以請主委簡單說明 |
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基本上委員很用心大概把一般坊間大概或說一般老百姓所關注的這樣的一個差異性已經做了這樣的一個列表那其實事實上可能還有很多不同的面向也都必須要去注意所以我覺得這個是一個利弊得失可能要思考清楚再來做這樣的一個推動所以我想院長大概也在院會裡面 |
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也講說目前我們還在中整各界的意見那沒有暫時還沒有修法的這樣計畫 |
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這其實是我想要來督促一下陸委會的就是說你們暫時沒有這樣的計畫但是其實已經有立委提案了然後也送案了那這個是如果我們陸委會都沒有相關的對策這樣是可以的嗎那當然沒關係你先等我講完我們一步一步來討論啦就是真的如果要談公平要談所有新住民的人權那當然我也是一個非常倡議人權要公平然後非常在乎人權的 |
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民意代表那所以我也很希望說如果真的可以我們就務實的一步一步來討論所以首先我想要請教第一步國籍的部分那其實這張表格也寫得很清楚目前中國籍是不需要放棄中國的國籍那外籍的配偶一定要先放棄原有的國籍甚至是成為無戶籍的國民一陣子那在這種狀態之下接下來才有辦法拿到台灣的身份證的 |
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所以我想要問如果真的我們要比照國籍法的話是不是有機會來要求中國籍放棄中國的配偶放棄中國籍再拿到台灣的身份證我想一下問一下這樣實務上是可行的嗎這個可能會讓整個的法定的流程又要再重新做調整那這個恐怕就知識體大 |
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知事體大所以是說這個有辦法從南海人民關係條例裡面來進行修法嗎到底因為委員大家也知道我們在憲法的生修條例上面在所謂的定位上面本來就把不是國與國的關係嗎對那這樣的一個處理上面又怎麼樣所以如果要的話要進行修憲嗎 |
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是這樣子這個問題就會比較複雜啦所以就是我們認為大家是不是在是好沒有關係因為確實也很多民眾在問說如果中國籍的配偶沒有辦法放棄他們的國籍的話那我們可以怎麼樣透過修法的程序來讓大家清楚的知道那我希望藉由這個機會讓民眾知道說接下來如果可能要面臨的不只是修兩岸人民關係條例然後包括要修憲等等的進程 |
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那當然我覺得還有另外一種可行的方式是其實可以比較國外的做法例如美國例如澳洲美國做法是什麼呢就是你入籍的時候必須要有一個入籍的宣誓那宣誓的內容包括說我必須要效忠國家我必須要捍衛國家我必須要在國家有需要的時候跟大家一起站在第一線包括軍事上等等 |
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那這個是他們入籍的宣誓的宣誓詞裡頭寫到的那甚至是澳洲還有入籍的就的入籍儀式必須要去到儀式的現場那是不是有機會就是如果中配他們也可以來就是使用這個就是入籍的儀式並且就是宣誓說我們效忠台灣這是有可能的嗎 |
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當然我想這個都是整體的配套的一些考量那我們目前陸委會所這個工作的重點方向就是說在他的在台灣的生活工作或者是社會福利上面我們都可以充分的一個照顧那以避免這種講白了真的比較正式性的這種意涵的這種程序或或者是儀式的恐怕這個要在大家求的共識 |
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這個是我就是想要請主委可以再更積極一點的部分因為說實在其實在你們的報告裡面有寫到說去年中國已經修訂他們新的這個反間諜法那大家不知道也在這邊跟大家報告一下去年中國新修訂的這個反間諜法他們是把這個間諜的行為更擴大然後變得更籠統而且效力是數級既往的什麼意思呢就是你非常有可能無端入罪 |
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那甚至是我們在報告裡面有寫到啊就是我們台灣級的要出入進中國的時候他們對台灣人的盤查上升到兩倍就因為這個反間諜法甚至是你他會查你的通訊手機是不是有批判中共那在這麼入 |
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要出入進中國越來越風險越來越高的情況下我們非常是不是會有相關的疑慮這個我覺得必須要正式的去面對而不是說我們避免政治性的爭議啦尤其是現在他們在反分裂國家法以及反間諜法之下 |
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入籍考試 |
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臺灣幾年一次選舉公民義務違和 |
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當然我們都很希望陸配來台灣很快的能夠融入台灣民主法治跟憲政這樣的一個生活跟政治的期待所以在過去大法官也認為說如果期限可以讓他延長一點那融入更久一點那這個也許可能就會有這個跟我們國民同樣的這樣的一個憲政思維 |
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那最後其實大家都有講到說因為外 |
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外配入籍是可以4年然後希望中配可以比照那其實如果真的去看這個條文裡面如果同樣是要住183天的話中配反而是4加2是6年外配是3加5反而是8年也就是說在同樣的標準之下外配反而是需要更多的時間才可以拿到身份證是這樣子嗎 |
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沒有啦 我想感謝您注意到這些相關的差異啦那我們是總結來看是不希望在這個時候把這個議題拿來做不相干的比較這沒有不相干啦 這個其實就是入籍的條件盡量可以趨於一致而已我認為這個也是它就是針對你們說的生活面的保障還有所謂 |
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我希望所有的條件大家可以一個一個拿來比包括說外籍的配偶他們入籍要經過9個程序中國籍的配偶只需要經過6個程序可以一併的討論啦那當然剛剛健保部分講過了其實也不需要講其實如果這個中級的配偶入籍縮短最直接的影響就是可以更早投票 |
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那更早投票會有什麼風險或疑慮呢當然我也不希望把外配一貫的來看待但是其實在目前出版上我可以分享兩本書一個是無聲的入侵中國因素在澳洲另外一個是大熊貓的綠爪中國如何滲透加拿大那這個其實裡面就宣示到中國他的魔爪如何在滲透民主的政權那北京的 |
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謝謝委員的指教 |
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我們會努力 |
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好,我們現在繼續開會,我們請王美惠委員,最可愛的王美惠委員再持續,謝謝持續,謝謝,感謝我們邱主委和董事長好,有請邱主委跟李董事長,謝謝 |
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主委董事長在剛才講到現在的時候我才看到董事長不管是什麼人之前他都認真為台灣來泡麵因為這個我們要來討論一下官方就是怎樣 |
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這樣才是對的,不管是什麼人,就是用心去讓臺灣人民需要的事情做得好在這,主委我先跟你探討一下,我們先講過 |
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大陸委員會在工作報告裏面本來是有說和平和統一因為當時我什麼的本事請你看因為你是單位寬寬相扣的因為我們也了解說現在目前阿強那邊對台灣是什麼樣的情形在這裏面張主委也有說到說 |
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和平和統一是因為不同的人職責所以來改變,因為我覺得在小英做伯爵,要靠賴清德來帶領台灣向前走,在這方面我是要請教 |
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委員我先補充一下 |
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對台灣不一樣的接種者,我認為他們的抗拒重點是促銅及販毒的兩種差別。第二就是,像報告委員說的,當時李強,國務院總理的工作報告裡面,大家不看前面那一句,現在是持續要推動和平發展。 |
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主委他這次要讓我們台灣人緊張一下大家說民進黨會走會戰爭他現在若有和平站起來會更加激動其實他是中立的但是最重要的是中國是 |
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總統說話這麼順暢．所以習近平在說他就說和平同仁本身是要跟你說啊今天那邊說話是沒主意的喔像我們最近稍微找到我們的臉書發生差不多大陣子全世界大家都覺得很緊張的結果才突突 |
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委員會主席 |
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請主委講一下 |
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當然他也有對台灣推行一些所謂融合措施的優惠方案例如他要跟福建建立融合示範區主委這件事最危險本來要跟你說說得說到現在都沒做完 |
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你看他在中間會有多少錢,還有多少的量化,可以融合發展的地方,你覺得有沒有錢,有資格做些什麼 |
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董事長,我認為他們多風格,這單位有說他們有很多人,但他們的素質當然是我們也要進一步的更認真了解,我們想說以前平潭這個地方,到底是怎樣運作到什麼程度,我們有委託一些人來做進一步的了解,這我們也要進一步的了解 |
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不要吵架不要吵架我們也要努力幫他好了不然這段時間這幾天你看到的有二公二姨女女女女女女女女女女女女女女女女女女女女女女女女女女女女女 |
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委員會主任委員會主席 |
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說你這樣是違反香港共同貿易協定的邏輯 |
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都要看台灣對阿強阿什麼態度阿強阿對台灣什麼態度啦是各自都要看的都要評論的啦在這裏面我們是還要跟你探討一下我們陸森在二月初的開始還可以來加入我們的健保嘛在這裏面完全為之陸森來到台灣最緊要兩千人嘛 |
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有八百萬人已經加入檢報,來,我要來你請教,因為這檢報不是你的職權啊,但是陸生來我們台灣的生活和種種的問題,你如果想說,是怎樣還會有這麼多人沒有加入,是什麼原因,來,當時地方的諸位你知道嗎? |
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因為我們當初檢報檢報的規定就是要來台灣居留 |
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沒有啦,你簡單的說我...要檢報,要去檢報的資格,我...我...不是我們本國人啦,我也要說...不是本國人...本國人比外人...在台灣居留超過6個月,一直可以檢報但是中國人來台灣的時候,在當年政府開放陸生來台的時候 |
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在裡面有種種的原因基中就是你剛才說的這個原因是沒有 |
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來啦來一開始是因為這個名詞沒講所以檢保署就是說我們不報告的規定是要在台灣居留因為我感覺這是我們台灣人的回憶啦也是要照顧他們這裡的孩子來台灣的車大家是互相的啦你看到回來的時候你有去思考台灣孩子去 |
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大陸阿基隆阿特赤的時候﹐他對那些孩子的照顧﹐包括你的網站﹐在本席收了解﹐你跟教會說﹐阿基隆阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿 |
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所以說你們這個委員長 要去注意啦那為了正當的告誡 到現在已經是三月了都沒有改過 我也要補充一下 要注意什麼一個 對不對因為他們去到 我們不是反對他去討債 是有時候要去注意的方法啦因為本身 要跟你說的時候 我們就是有了解有什麼 我們也要補充 |
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我們台灣孩子去那裡踏車或是在那裡爸爸媽媽做生意的在那裡踏車任何發生的事情都有可能再來我請問我們董事長董事長你下令營也幾位未來也要幾位三定位時本身所了解你自己是在中部南部 |
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都沒幾位啦,因為在這,我要讓董事長跟先辦理員說,嘉義縣嘉義市,南部是一個好地方,有機文化是非常好,所有運盲 |
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可以去到南部嘉義市尤其嘉義縣有一個阿里山嘉義市是非常豐富的認證名所以你們要納入下去因為我剛才看你們的 |
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委員報告時．端蓋剉海鮮有剉到牙齒．是撼賣還是怎樣．未來這三位都沒有在南部的牙齒．所以我覺得你們要先去處理．要平衡一下．讓你們了解台灣的自由民主的國家．委員報告一下第一天就算牙齒 |
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好謝謝主席我們請陸委主委我們有請邱主委 |
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8639.798 |
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主委早安早所以平常有沒有在用那個網路搜尋一些資料基本上會啦也用Google查過Google地圖嗎所以你知道路爾會在Google上評分值幾分嗎1.8不過Google很好他把你用兩顆星謝謝啦 |
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主委其實你在看了裡面的內容之後才發現其實民眾對陸委會很多的不滿 很多的憤慨那這個會後再請主委去了解不過可以看到 主委替林明做事情比較實在民眾一定有需求才會去尋求相關政府的資源跟協助 是的 |
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本席在這八年裡面發現其實我們入會這八年都來這快八年的時間對台流政策有三宗籌中、聚中跟抵中跟主委來剛好主委早上有提到農業的問題我們就拿鳳梨釋迦這件事情來談就好 |
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| transcript.whisperx[283].end |
8707.733 |
| transcript.whisperx[283].text |
我們去年臺東縣政府臺東的釋迦重新輸往中國大陸那連我們農業部在質詢的時候都說齁他不會放棄大陸的市場我想要請問主委去年一開始恢復輸出中國大陸的時候陸委會的說法還記得嗎你還可以同時我們會說什麼 |
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我們當然希望說兩岸的所有的貿易最好不要有其他的因素能夠遵照過去的模式去處理所有的農漁產品我們大概都是這樣的一個態度跟主委報告當時陸委會說這一次的台中輸出釋迦的作為是選擇性恢復這樣的行為對其他縣市的農民來講是歧視的對待 |
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| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
以多年前對臺政治性的採購如出一策利用經濟利益對臺灣進行分化及統戰而且批評陸方這種成就的政策操作手法只會使兩岸的民眾心理隔閡漸行漸遠我們陸夥的台立的部長陳俊濟也表示說我們樂見臺灣優良的水果外銷也強調不會放棄中國的市場 |
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8782.527 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
希望透過海峽兩岸檢疫平台重啟對話,定定符合國際檢驗標準,而不是由地方政府代行。這是本席在總質詢時問的問題。選擇性恢復台中市下的做法,對台灣其他管治的農民是歧視對待。這個事情你認同嗎? |
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8791.755 |
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8792.856 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
大陸對台灣的貿易政策 |
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8840.7 |
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兩千三百八十一萬四百九十公斤然後臺東縣政府收成的負面施加是兩千三百三十五萬六千零三十七公斤他佔了全臺的百分之九十八高盛的社區都是台東對來的選擇性 |
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沒有啦 委員 我想委員應該很清楚嘛那他為什麼要特別選定台東因為以水果來看嘛台東占了九成的這樣的一個生產性但是其他縣市也有啊九成都是台東所以是選擇台東比較好台東占九成我大概可以理解可以接受但是問題其他縣市還是有啊 |
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好主委好主委好主委好主委 |
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這個希望透過海峽兩岸協議平台重啟對話不是由台東縣政府不是由地方來待會之前主委江文部長是不是會指責我們陸委會指責陸委會施責為什麼是由台東縣政府跟對岸來談而不是兩岸來對談 |
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道路基本上應該是要跟我們其實不是跟陸委會有關於農產品的檢疫雙方簽了一個協議他其實是由對岸的海關總署這個協議應該是一個法委的協議不是不是不是 |
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我們兩岸各種的事務有簽了大概26個協議如果是屬於ECFA的有ECFA的處理機制如果是檢疫的有檢疫的處理機制 |
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就是說按照26項我再跟委員做提供那個26項協議他各有他的處理機制那原則上是由全責機關有一個對口 |
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我們的權責機關會發文給對岸那對岸大概也會發文給我們對 最終結果還是台東縣政府去談嗎那是因為他選擇台東縣政府那我們有去找他們談過嗎我們有表達希望能夠透過 阿剛才問題出在德維結果後來最簡單的問題就是說從衛生文檢驗的粉屆合同這件事情就從這部分解決而已從國大辦的說法當然我們知道他是在政治上的意涵 |
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但我們還是還是強烈從一開始講的我們還是希望能夠脫過我們有協議的機制來解決我們的貿易爭端好很好我們這個問題到先到這邊我繼續講的就是說主委你主委之前擔過我們的檢察官對不對對所以我們去年選舉期間不是有很多民眾到大陸去遊玩嗎對 |
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那回來之後很多人都被帶去徵訊嘛那後來我們這個陳翠被判刑有多少件這個恐怕要問法務部因為這件事情我現在不是當法務部長 |
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那我的了解當時的緣起應該是法務部的某個單位他們發覺有這個所謂招待的這種情勢出現回來之後成案應該不多啦我記得應該不多多的話應該新聞會報了很多啦所以這個我們再自己了解一下我只是想要表達的是說如果台灣人去大陸玩回來就要被徵訊這個是不是劇終另外 |
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如果因為這樣子我也建議啦我們今天我們是要訂定一個臺灣人到大陸旅遊指南你可以去哪邊玩不能去哪邊玩你可以跟誰接觸不能去哪邊接觸不然就乾脆直接宣佈我們不要再去大陸了這樣是不是比較好 |
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因為憲法保障人民遷徙移動的自由我們會提醒復入的時候要注意回來就被調查要去徵訊我只是去大陸玩回來被徵訊 |
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主委應該是最了解中國大陸的人那主委你還曾經擔任過民進黨兩岸協議監督條例小組召集人所以我們在這次的報告裡面沒有看到要進行兩岸協議監督條例的立法 |
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每次問到一些問題就說我們已經有修法了我想我們修法的部分是政治協議不是攸關民生經濟那跟主委講你會不會繼續推動相關的地方降低民生經濟的問題恐怕不是只有單純政治只要有政治性的影響的協議都包括在裡面 |
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本協議兼施兩岸互動要公開透明 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].start |
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主席 |
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好 謝謝建民委員質詢 謝謝主委 謝謝先請建民委員暫待一下主席位置好嗎 謝謝您 謝謝好 現在我們請高金素美召集委員的發言 |
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9207.606 |
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謝謝召委我們現在請邱主委謝謝我們請邱主委發言好謝謝主委金門撞船事件到現在已經快一個月了我們看到昨天的消息是雙方談判是破裂了請問您清楚知道我們談判幾次時間地點到底有哪一些談判代表然後陸委會的角色是什麼嗎可以簡單回答嗎 |
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談過了15次也比較破裂因為雙方有達到也幾個項目有一兩個項目可能已經有合資了但是有其他的項目大概在程序法定的程序跟所謂名詞上所以您是樂觀的 |
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我們能夠用能力或證據達成共識其實也是您深處統籌處理大陸事務組委 |
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周英明回答我們大家說這個只是一個個案 |
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你又講了兩岸的溝通管道其實很順暢似乎感覺我沒有講順暢還是有溝通管道好的好溝通管道那我就問你這個溝通管道到底是什麼是誰然後是不是有效 |
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呃當然委員你要講有效的沒有 我說是誰那基本上我剛剛有提到溝通管道是誰不是市民立委會還是海基會還是還有更神秘的人沒有沒有不是我要整個的回答第一個剛剛提到了我們過去三十幾年來你講太多了之後我現在就問你兩個問題就請你下關問題我剛剛問你到底是誰你就說是誰就好了好嗎 |
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還是整個行政院最後整理出一個談判的小組所以就是海委會的副署長在去做談判我們國家我們的政府沒有派代表在後面有一個統籌 |
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我剛剛提到了就是說他有分事務性的個案性的所以你的意思是說談判的代表裡面每一個人都在行政院的所屬的那個單位的代表都在沒有跟他不相關的他不需要在嘛比如說像這一次那有哪一些相關的他原則上大概就是你們一直談到的國家安全跟法律那些人有參加嗎你說什麼你一直在談到的國家的安全或者是法律上的問題我們的國安會有人參加嗎 |
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他們只是他們是一個所謂的政策的單位不是好啦謝謝好啦好啦我們的海委會說是依法行政當然我也相信必須要依法行政但是呢他們又講了一切的證據都交給檢調了既然我們第一海巡署海委會也好在那邊回答說一直強烈說我們沒有錯然後呢又有有力的證據然後又講人道關懷怎麼講 |
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我的邏輯判斷這種談判應該是十拿九穩會成功為什麼會破裂為什麼到現在還談不下來主任到底是什麼簡單回答一下就所謂的過分金的部分基本上大概比較接近了但是在名詞上面 |
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沒有我說我剛剛你沒有聽清楚我的問題我說既然我們說我們沒有錯而且我們又有有利的證據因為你們說說因為海巡署在這邊回答說有利的證據都交給了我們的檢調嘛既然交給了檢調在談判的現場為什麼不把這些東西拿出來然後來談判有利於大家不要再有這麼多的紛爭嗎對 |
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海巡署講他有利,陸方不一定會接受嗎?沒有啊,他有航跡軌跡圖,然後又有碰撞啊,然後這個碰撞是事實啊那這個就要看海巡署為什麼在談判的時候他不願意提出這個問題,是不是檢察官有做什麼樣的指示嗎?好,謝謝您的回答,好,您的回答也是交給剪掉了,然後可能在談判,所以在談判的時候這些證據就拿不出來,就不拿出來就是了 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].start |
9477.216 |
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9477.897 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
海巡署對於政務的程序 |
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9524.174 |
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謝謝您好按照我們剛剛談到這些這個這個撞船事件我們看到我們的政府說法好像不太一樣所以呢我待會就要談幾個不太一樣的例子第一個我們來看到就是2月20號我們的陳院長他口頭施政報告的時候他就針對兩岸議題提到即使面對威脅台灣始終會堅持民主多元尊重人權的生活方式那麼在這一次你的業務報告裡面也提到了 |
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9524.394 |
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9525.735 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].text |
首先我要肯定您的立場還有陳院長的方針 |
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9553.638 |
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9569.337 |
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陳院長一直高喊著人權可是3月1號我們大家都看到了在陸配身份證取得的年限比照外配這一件事情上他又改口了他說知識體大保持保留的態度 |
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9570.538 |
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9581.048 |
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那麼最令人意外的是什麼你知道嗎陸配身份證取得的年限還有比照外配的議題是2020年的時候執政黨也就是民進黨你們提出的我們看一下2022年你們提交行政院提交的相關人權報告裡面你們就怎麼樣落實陸配人權有寫到 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].start |
9591.858 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].end |
9592.498 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].text |
提醒您 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].start |
9621.169 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
9627.016 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
一直到這次大選結束前民進黨的立委在立法院都是絕大多數請問一下這份報告裡面當時陸委會有參與其中嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].start |
9633.013 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].end |
9656.638 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
有好那我要就要問您了當時當時是這樣現在又改口到底是政府給社會大眾或者是給國際上的假資料還是如同麥玉珍委員說的因為2020年當時候是大選他們這些外配也好陸配也好在大選當中被大家搶來搶去請問是哪一個 |
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| transcript.whisperx[326].end |
9664.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].text |
我跟委員做一個歷史的回顧報告不要再歷史回顧你剛剛說2020年陸委會也參與其中嘛對不對那為什麼陸委會跟現在你們的看法又不一樣當時2020年的時候就不是知識體大現在就知識體大為什麼因為這個從第一次2010年的時候就已經提出來的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[327].end |
9688.479 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].text |
國民黨政府在101年我只要告訴你為什麼在立法院還是沒有辦法就是因為爭議大爭議大那2020年再大票在大選的時候你們也會出來因為我當然可以理解你擔心立法院但是政府會拿出外配一定來做比較 |
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| transcript.whisperx[328].end |
9712.71 |
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好那我現在再跟你講我現在再跟你講剛剛民進黨立委有提出非常多我認為我認為這個都是假消息啦第一外界裡面有提出很多問題我舉三個例子第一個是國安問題請問一下如果是國安問題的話我們有任何任何一個數據可以支持陸配比起外配更容易違反所謂的相關法律嗎如果沒有這個就是假議題對不對好第二個我要講的是健保濫用的問題剛剛有人講 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].start |
9731.573 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].end |
9759.351 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].text |
碳清的陸配的家屬會濫用健保很多人都講目前依照我們的法規陸配的家屬如果要居留6個月以上他才可以使用健保嘛但是我們兩岸人民關係條例的限制是他居留不可以待過6個月超過6個月啊所以我認為這也是假議題啊然後又講陸配70歲的家屬可以有直接定居所以他們會浪費健保 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].start |
9760.491 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].end |
9769.797 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].text |
現在剛剛看到數據的你也說現在每年我們限制60位而已就是70歲或過70歲以上的家屬這樣子一來的話要怎麼樣浪費健保所以健保問題他也是一個假議題啊然後他也提到一個就是剛剛講的陸配不用拋棄國籍而外配是要但是呢陸配必須要放棄他的戶籍現在是如此嘛對不對實質上其實也等同外配放棄國籍這樣子的一個理論 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].start |
9789.369 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].end |
9803.771 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].text |
所以這些民進黨立委他覺得不公平為什麼在當時只剩8年這當中尤其2020年你們也提到的這個人權的部分你們為什麼不修改這些東西呢為什麼要現在造成這麼大的爭議 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[332].end |
9816.062 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].text |
委員我想外界各有各的關注點我們沒有辦法評論但是我們總結我們總結就是剛剛過去的經驗101年的草案也好或105年國民黨時代提出的草案也好它為什麼最後還是沒有過那就是因為很多的問題會糾結在一起就像我剛剛提到的它是一個潘朵大的盒子 |
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9829.386 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].end |
9832.289 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].text |
知事體大,所以本席認為有非常多兩岸的問題,不要用情緒發言,不要用意識形容 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].start |
9848.524 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].end |
9848.764 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].text |
民進黨人權理念 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].start |
9866.556 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].end |
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同時呢也針對2024年民進黨對於這個人權的理念的跳票感到非常的錯愕我覺得這個又是一個非常明顯蔡英文她在任期宣布又在蔡英文任期裡面沒有辦法完成的案例的一個現實的條件好謝謝您今天的回答謝謝好謝謝我們財經召委也謝謝我們協助委 |
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謝謝我們請陸委會邱主委 |
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有請邱主委 |
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謝謝主委確實這個陸配跟以及其他外配到底這個入籍中華民國國籍需要多少時間真的需要整體性的考量那每一位選區選出來的委員他其實身上都有非常非常多的案例比如說曾經協助過相關的案例那認為怎麼樣可以去改善那或者是我舉兩個案例我一個同學 |
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他娶了他們去英國留學之後回來跟一個香港女孩結婚結婚的時候才發現當然後來才知道這位在香港長大的女孩就是我同學的老婆她其實是英國籍所以說香港籍跟英國籍要進要入中華民國戶籍的標準就不一樣了對不對好另外一個我的同學嫁到美國 |
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那他先生在美國工作那進來台灣當然也有討論過小朋友入籍的問題等等的那是不是難度就更大了有更多的問題有一個讓人很感動的例子齁 |
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一個年輕人那他們也是國外念書之後他跟他老婆結婚那老婆在成都在成都工作那先生也到成都到我們臺灣某大廠也一起工作在那裡生了小孩 |
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但是包含這個阿公啦他也很堅持說你在小孩在中國出生那要算中國籍嗎那如果不要算中國籍的話他要怎麼樣回來台灣規劃台灣的戶籍而且又遇到疫情期間你知道多辛苦 |
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在疫情期間呢他就在中國的這個出生證明拿到之後還拿一個未入籍中國的證明拿這個未入籍的中國的證明再拿著一個臨時出入臨時出入海關的這個通行證一次進一次出而且在他短短的這個年假裡面回來台灣父親已經被除籍了先申請入附籍 |
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然後再來趕快來辦小孩的這個戶籍然後再來趕快把小孩辦護照 |
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當然這個臺包鎮這個時間我們沒有辦法去協助臺包鎮還是等到他們回到中國去工作的時候在當地的這個當位去辦理臺包鎮未來這一個臺灣 臺灣嬰仔才可以讓他們這樣帶回來臺灣算臺灣人這種種的故事非常多吼包含這個兩岸之間的這些故事包含這個到底這些外國其他的國籍的人 |
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進入臺灣戶籍的這一些過程裡面其實有非常多的故事但是重點是一個就是我剛剛聽了很多委員做了這個比較之後那邱主委這邊的看法還是一樣就是本國陸籍跟外國籍跟其他國籍我們必須要一併的來做考量來主委這一些通盤的考量當然在這邊可能講不完 |
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但是確實牽涉到第一個國安第二個健保的議題是必須要不是誰說的對但是我們也把這些問題拿出來讓大家來參考一下讓國人來評斷一下到底這些問題是什麼首先國安反滲透法國安法等等的這些問題確實會讓所有的陸配在台灣會有一點點政治上的一些 |
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顧忌這個是在香港已經在發生的第二個健保的議題我舉我在2019年曾經在高雄選舉的場合裡面來提出當年國民黨的委員在立法院提案修改兩岸人民關係條例第16條符合強照資格的陸級的陸配的 |
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父母親可以申請來台灣使用台灣的長照的這些相關的服務等等的 |
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當然國民黨的這一個案例呢他在提案之後的兩個禮拜內撤案了那我也知道現在國民黨委員也已經又提案了修改兩岸人民關係條例第17條並且拿來跟這個外國人要入籍台灣的外國配偶要入籍台灣的來做相關的比較那我先講我在2019年後來我被告了忘記了 |
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我被告的當然我們這個臺灣我們是中華民國是法治的國家被告一定是進入司法程序有檢察官叫我去問問說當初為什麼要把這一件案子披露對方說他已經撤案了你為什麼還是要講出來我想 |
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既然在立法院已經在立法院的公報上面有這個提案有這個緣由也有其他委員簽名那就需要承認這個事實你有這個提案的動機後來在 |
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得到高雄地檢署的不起訴處分是在選後的3個月內高雄地檢署就給我不起訴處分不起訴處分的我在講他還是繼續告還是繼續告告到高檢署在2020年的8月4號我收到高檢署 |
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不起訴處分的確定那裡面的內容是這樣子寫的就主管機關臺灣是屬兩岸條例第16條雖然規範大陸地區人民來臺所謂申請制主管機關有權有博准權限也就是剛剛其他委員講到的我們一年60位但是 |
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我所擔心的就是我是被告所擔心的侵蝕健保的疑慮就是會造成侵蝕健保的疑慮所以給我不起訴處分這個是2020年8月4號我們高檢署對於這一個上一次中國國民黨要提案修改兩岸人民關係條例第16條的記錄在這裡我是當事人 |
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那所以說對於目前要討論的這個我覺得不一定說走到法院或不一定等到可能下一次選舉是4年之後又有相關的法院的認證我想我們現在就詳實的對於我們在國會公開的把這些利害都說明出來 |
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讓所有的國人知道修改兩岸人民關係條例的陸配的年限到底造成健保的哪一些影響或者造成國安的哪一些影響甚至我們其他新住民委員認為他們應該有哪一些權益也應該要比照兩岸人民關係條例裡面的陸配等等的我想這些都必須要拿出來做討論的最後其實邱主委在陸委會主委期間我看 |
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我們不斷地在追求和平不斷地希望用和平的角度用善意的角度來跟對岸有一個溝通的方式但是我們所有遇到的沒有一件是和平的沒有一件是善意的包含金下海域我想這一個過程我們也持續地用和平的方式來跟對岸來做這些溝通跟討論希望不要升高兩岸的局勢最後請主委就 |
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這個潘朵拉的盒子來評論一下到底這個陸配以及外配最大最大你認為在這一個事件裡面的修法的過程裡面我們要怎麼樣推動可以照顧到陸配而且也可以讓外配覺得我們有相同的權利 |
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確實感謝委員提供一些過去的一些案例給我們做一些參考不過我要講的就是確實站在陸委會的立場我們希望能夠再凝聚社會更多的共識因為這個特別是我們最擔心的就是比較表一出來 |
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陸培不是壞人,但是我們希望可以同等照顧他們 |
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第二個就是說對岸我們當然都理解對岸他要軍事崛起強國那我們當然這是人家的國家政策但是如果他造成大家的緊張採取的手段又是過去所沒有的不管是武力的威脅貿易的報復什麼等等我想這個都不是一個文明國家所所有的應有的作為了 |
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臺灣還是本質我們不會挑釁當然我們也不會這個現在國際最大的共識就是希望維持兩岸我想蔡總統的所謂的維持現狀這樣的一個路線基本上獲得國際很多的支持所以我想我們會秉持這樣的一個路線繼續的來維護兩岸的這樣的和平 |
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當然我們也期待中國他能夠重新思考他這樣的一個對台的手法是不是真的會如他所講的希望大家能夠心靈計合能夠贏得台灣的民心我想這是對岸的領導人他自己要去做思考的好謝謝主委及國安團隊謝謝好非常謝謝李博弈委員的質詢謝謝也謝謝主委謝謝繼續我們請丁學中委員質詢 |
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感謝主席我請邱主委有請邱主委這禮拜議廷都有你臨時三天每一天讓我們委員董事長對議題都非常高興的討論看得出來 |
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辛苦你了,對兩天我們這個業務的一個過程,我們都在幾個月而已,今天做比較辛苦,今天有30幾個月但是今天我們看起來,我們裡面的內容也是都圍繞在這個大陸對我們的這個不善意的一個對台,對啊,我們內容都在這樣 |
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我們也沒有說有去說什麼要促進交流還是建立溝通的更積極的一個作為在這要給我們主委請教一下我們應該有認同兩國的往來溝通是一件很重要的事情 |
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我們現在對我們大陸這方面我們陸委會現在目前對著我們這個兩岸的局勢還有什麼比較積極的一個作為要來捐給我們兩方對外還有什麼方式 |
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可以對等尊嚴互惠的狀況下 增加兩方的交流嗎?委員我剛才有向其他委員報告過其實兩方30多年來 已經有很多互動的經驗及技術包括簽到26項的協議 |
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那就是過去這7、8年,坦白說相方也有一些個案發生後,有一些處理上當然一定要互相大家同時來做改觀,所以這都是一個好的經驗和善意的表達,我們希望說過去的機制如果是什麼,大家才有過去的機制,但是我看中國有時候因為你也知道台灣的選舉 |
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有些期待或是希望或是心思包括最近我們也看到一些案件是要來應用所以我們就變成說一直跟對方說我的錢不要去你那裡你的錢來我這裡這樣好不好 |
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這應該是都像這個溝通,真的,我們要加強兩方的溝通 |
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委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任 |
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我們的生意比較積極．繼續做溝通的行為我相信主動提出我們的生意．主動來支持．來提出溝通的方針．我相信一定會達到好的結果不然像我們現在這樣．關係惡劣 |
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受損的也是我們的財政我們主委也知道說我們現在這個不只是觀光集團還造成我們這個理行業者的很多損失聽說我們經常這個事件延伸出來也有說大陸最近廢棄我們的觀光資源去跟我們檢查 |
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對 發聲後的第幾天因為那個時候是走在他們那邊走在他們那邊過去應該是沒有發聲過啦過去應該是沒有發聲過啦過去是我對外界去的那兩天他們也要跟我們說還是跟我們出題就是說大家互相都應該過去也沒有說會登船去檢查啦 |
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有的是說我給你驅趕那個意思啦報告我委員報告其實過去有啦但是大家互相都在海邊上就處理到了啦所以這就是大家現在的關係比較後面發生出來的問題我們民眾第一線受到衝擊我們政府也需要做一些比較具體的一個對策來解決我們民眾的問題 |
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我是希望說兩方的關係,我們不要說路越走越矮,包括我們台灣的一些農產品,我們的觀光、生機、海船、航空船,都去用線索而已,現在都線索而已。走這樣,大家未來的出路,會都受影響,變成是牆壁了,對啦,就請我們主委 |
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講到這個問題,我們想想看有什麼比較好的方式,我們因應民眾的利益為優先來想,找看有什麼比較好的方式可以來解決。是是是,我們也一直在想,但是主要都是這樣,我們國家的安全和利益,基本上我們要先顧好,這樣。 |
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其實安全是很重要的,利應也很重要,這兩項是都重要的,我們要把我們接觸到整個溝通的整個友善的關係在內,把我們收回在內,還有怎樣,我們也會影響到處理, |
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我聽到有提起宗教交流,我們中華宗教交流已經很久了,但立委會在去年會過年,很認真跟國內 |
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我們的宗教團體有去辦一些見面會：說有請大家講講時講聽去大陸進行這個宗教交流：還有發佈新聞講大陸對我們國家宗教交流有這個統戰的因素 |
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說有這個動作的因素,提出說要做學術、在交流、在交活動的我們國人,如果沒有說很重要的,請不要期待,希望我們有去做這個動作。 |
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議員對於我們國民期待量我們都會把過去發生的一些狀況提供給我們國民瞭解第一當然因為很多發言的修改往往就會造成一些風險 |
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我坦白跟委員講,我們有人要去團搞,結果被人告起因為你知道中國現在對宗教的控制,跟要求宗教一定要中國化但是問題是有的宗教,他可能會這樣嗎應該是否這樣啊,應該不是這樣,是單純啦委員你如果有什麼資料你可以給我看他我所在的,當然 |
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主席就是新人就是大陸人都從大陸過來比較古的新人大陸人都從大陸過來對啊大家都會想遭遇在大陸他們會想說要回去進行一個狀況的一個交流對啊這我們在基站我們在地方基站是經常都有發生這個狀況我相信啦我相信說像我剛剛說的 |
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委員會主任委員會主席 |
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我相信我們陸委會是會去做這個其實我們也不要把我們的宗教交流想到什麼程度當然他們要過當然一定是經國委員會過有可能說只有單獨幾個要過 |
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董事長列席報告 |
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對領域的領地對國家的領地我非常對我們的領域都非常有主心我非常有主心甚至我我家住在芬林我家住在鳳尾我還要怎麼顧的事沒有事我就自己回家 |
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繼續我們請吳祁銘召委質詢 |
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有請我們的邱主委 |
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主委辛苦了主委早上很多人在談論我們的陸配問題其實你說陸配跟我們的新住民大家的比較這都是要讓社會大眾大家了解其實我們也沒有歧視說 |
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錄配來跟我們台灣起到國際界問題所以你要用同樣的標準社會大眾來了解說我們對中國大陸還是蠻友善的例如說我們的陸生納入健保我們說在2月1號只要學籍超過6個月已經完成註冊你也可以享用我們的老健保 |
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所以說這可以說是對我們的陸生一大的保障尤其包括我記得我們前幾年都還有補助我們上海的女子學校我們的女子學校我們都有補助嘛 |
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對,我們大陸有三間台商子弟學校,我們各部都有跟他們做協助,我們來幾位也有跟他們做協助所以說我們對法,我們還是秉持的非常友善,這種我們要讓社會大眾來了解說既然到了台灣,我們也是享用我們自己的健保制度,對這一點,我們跟健保局這邊都有取得聯繫嘛,進行有順利嗎? |
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有很順利的,其實是這樣,這個問題坦白說我站在我的角度來說過去我就是認為我們對於陸生其實是有一些不公平的例如健保這些東西,因為外資生有,為什麼陸生沒有這在當初,當年開放的時候,因為意見很多、雜音很多 |
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對陸生的入台的定義不是寫拘留寫特別停留結果健保署說我們只有拘留才有特別停留的沒有所以我們一直沒辦法解決這個問題所以交流報告我們就想說提供商業保險幫助商業保險但這個介紹到包含的範圍當然有差嘛所以就不一定說公平 |
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所以我們跟海基委員會議就想說不然這樣我們來補助他的商業保險所以我們今年開始就補助他們一年六百塊但是覺得這樣總是我們都要照顧自己的錢嘛所以我們就再去跟健保署說是不是這樣改觀所以健保署後來他們就想說用一個方法所以他如果能站得好有效證明的時候他也能把他拉進去了 |
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因為我們是要保障保障他們的醫療嘛再來一點就是我們過去台灣的農產品輸完我們的電化器我們有很多檢驗的問題做成功我們很多農民 |
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這不可能都要問日本人 |
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但是我所了解當然我們坦白說我之前有跟中國一邊的人標誌說你這樣等於回到兩邊還有經貿的這種交流其實對你來說不一定比較好因為你逼台灣的政府一定是專銷去外國所以我們要保護動作就是說如果要專銷外國的時候 |
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他第一個因為我們知道農藝產品的保存期比較長所以農委員他們就去做一個所謂兩鏈的設備及技術的提升這兩鏈的技術設備及提升本來可能一個水果可能一個月的市面上他現在變成可以兩個月三個月這樣想得有助於外銷其他國家所以這也是我們跟中國說你沒台沒市用整體的因素去做這樣對農藝品就不公平了 |
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所以他們過去 他們都常常說前議有問題 但是我們去東南亞跟日本國家就沒問題所以說在這個部分 我們也是很對話這邊 |
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是怎麼說我都介意我都堅持說我們陸委會以及海基會我們也要溝通一個管道的暢通是不是可以恢復說農產品的稅率對岸遺產的稅率對岸因為農民跟水產的大家都很辛苦 |
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所以在這部分是你的我們對法是你的選擇單位這部分你要再加強我會來努力希望對法不要用其他的因素 |
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有請李董事長 |
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主委可以休息嗎?主委休息休息辛苦了辛苦了 |
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吳委員好董事長我看你的經歷以前是外交部長還有駐美代表還有總統府秘書長所以你跟對岸溝通的管道應該還是有你的海基會的管道這一點你來說明一下跟吳委員報告外交就是一個化不可能為可能的藝術 |
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也就是說是希望能夠劃劍為梨大家都一個和平穩定發展的一個共同的願景我想這也是海峽兩岸的決策當局都是用資深的外交官擔任彼此的對口 |
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我方當然是我本人在大陸方面這個海協會就是張志軍先生他也是位非常有經驗的資深外交官所以說是我也在不同的場合一再對公開的呼籲希望雙方能夠溝通能夠交流能夠對話 |
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國人對你的期待都很高因為你是一個外交部長所以你有外交的手腕相信你一定有你的管道這個應該是滿暢通的我們國人還是希望說大家能在穩定和平中台灣的發展所以對我們的董事長期望都很高謝謝我們要一起努力好不好 |
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總是要打破這個僵局吧當然當然我們共同的願景大家都要和平穩定發展好謝謝謝謝董事長謝謝好謝謝謝謝齊明召委如果每一個人都能夠像你這樣子那麼互示善意的話我想兩岸就不會這樣我們今天的主委就不會這麼樣頭痛了謝謝謝謝好 |
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好因為剛剛主席有這個宣布這個這個我們的勤民召委結束之後要處理臨時提案那今天因為沒有臨時提案所以這個我們繼續就開會我們請鍾嘉斌委員來做質詢謝謝好沒關係我們暫停時間我們請助理放一下他應該要這個今天播的資料謝謝 |
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有請邱主委有請邱主委 |
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主委好 主委好謝謝主委的關心我特別來今天跟您做一個質詢請教這個議題標題寫得很清楚那我想請教一下請問主委目前在台灣有多少中配我強調一下啦當然我是用中配啦因為我們在地方我們稱中國配您可能是陸委問你要叫陸配沒關係就用你的方式在台灣有多少中配人數基本上我們台灣大概新住民總加起來的新住民大概60萬 |
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中間大概有12萬其實沒有住在台灣 |
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他通常是台幹的配偶或是執行的他們就大部分長期住在大陸就像我的帳目上有36萬但是有長期定居在中國境內的大概是12萬多大概有24萬多在台灣那請問一下那這當中有多少是擁有台灣的戶籍那有多少只是持續長期居留 |
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那大概有14萬的人已經拿到我們的定居身份證了那另外有10萬的人大概在三個不同的階段可能來這邊先來說團聚、提親居留或長期居留所以14萬是長期居留那不是10萬 |
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14萬已經拿到定居了那14萬裡面有14萬已經定居了你的定居跟我的長期居留我怕混淆因為這兩個不一樣長期居留是定居的前身那定居是取得戶籍嘛定居才取得戶籍我是用取得戶籍我的取得戶籍就是你的定居我說的長期居留就是沒有取得戶籍是不是這樣 |
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請問目前你知道台灣有多少外配嗎 |
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那請問在這些外配當中中國籍以外的外配當中有多少是有戶籍又有多少是屬於長期居留 |
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外配跟中配他入籍的流程你看看對不對外配呢他要入籍 |
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他可以先不入籍他可以取得長期居留對不對要5年嘛是不是這樣子好那取得國籍是3年但是取得國籍呢他不見得能夠做定居還要取得戶籍才能定居對不對所以長期居留對外面來講是一個選項他如果要定居就要設法先取得國籍再來取得戶籍是不是這樣 |
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很清楚啦齁我沒有誤解吧但是對中配來講呢他可以長期居留要多久要選擇長期居留要多久才能長期居留對啦我想委員你這個表應該很清楚可以看得出來就要4年嘛但是他如果要取得戶籍他沒有取得國籍的問題所以在2年他就可以取得戶籍了就可以定居了定居就是取得戶籍就可以定居那請教一下那中配來台定居會比較嚴格嗎 |
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為什麼這些人選擇保留原籍沒有來入籍 |
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你覺得比如說我在我常常飛越南我在飛越南的時候遇到越籍的外配他來台灣嘛帶著小孩坐飛機回越南那我就很好奇我發現說你怎麼不是拿台灣護照你拿越南護照 |
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因為我知道他如果要在台灣取得台灣的國籍他就要放棄越南的國籍他就不能拿越南護照了他是拿台灣護照我說你怎麼來台灣多久了孩子這麼大了你怎麼沒有取得台灣的國籍跟戶籍拿台灣的護照他說 |
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我又常常要回娘家啊我拿越南護照比較方便啊是不是這樣而且呢我這個孩子在台灣生的啊我孩子台灣一尊爸爸是台灣人他本來就有台灣的國籍但是我帶他去越南我拿越南話帶他去越南我可以幫他辦越南的國籍而且他未來如果有機會在越南念書也可以在台灣念書也可以兩邊都可以你覺得這個越南媽媽他的這樣的做法是不是很多外配的原因 |
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我想一定是之一是嘛 是之一嘛就要告訴大家很多外派要選擇長期拘留 |
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不選擇入國籍或取得戶籍是因為他想要保留原國的國籍保留原國的護照甚至他的孩子已經取得台灣國籍的情況下他覺得帶孩子回母國還蠻方便的這是很多外配的心聲你同意嗎同意嗎那請問一下他沒有取得台灣的戶籍跟國籍之前他如果已經在台灣長期居留了跟他取得戶籍有哪些待遇上的差別他有沒有健保 |
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有健保嘛那差一張身份證差什麼 |
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他就是不能投票嘛我都幫你講了嘛月配如果在台灣他沒有拿到身份他不能在台灣投票但是他放棄投票這個權利他取得維持有越南國籍跟越南護照的方便他可以帶他的小孩回去探親他可以帶他小孩回去越南國籍他有時候如果兩邊要念書他小孩在那邊也可以念書是不是這樣這是他們沒有保留原籍的原因嘛好那請問一下往下看那你覺得中配 |
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是不是也是這樣?這些選擇長期拘留沒有入籍台灣的中配是不是也是這種考量?就跟岳配一樣嘛我要帶孩子回上海我還要回北京欸你要知道啊中國的一線城市的戶籍放棄了要再取得容易不容易? |
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小小的是說我知道因為在中國不同的省份你偏僻的省份你要到別一線城市其實你要取得戶籍很難他如果結婚來到台灣你要取得台灣的身份證要放棄哪裡的戶籍 |
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所以我想你很清楚啦這個就是很多的複雜的東西齁外界不一定那麼清楚啦那你一掀開大家就變成不得不去做一些問題其實這個議題很特別我問過很多外配我問過很多中配 |
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他們其實很多覺得說因為個人的生活選擇他為了子女他選擇他選擇長期居留他們要入台灣的國籍或者他們要入台灣的戶籍他沒有要在台灣有定居但是他的權益有沒有受損在台灣一樣有健保對不對但是中配不一樣生活工作都OK社會福利都差不多但是你要看一看非本國籍被學生的規定但是外配要來台灣入籍要怎樣要放棄國籍對不對 |
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中配要不要?沒有嘛那規劃測試,外配要規劃到台灣有國籍,要不要測試?要不要?中配要不要?不用那你覺得中配來台定居比較嚴格嗎?好,往下看,因為時間快到了來,中配的待遇呢,高於外配啦,為什麼?因為外配的父母子女可以來依親,中配可不可以?沒有,說錯了,外配不可以,中配可不可以? |
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可以啦可以嘛那健保的負擔外配的父母來台灣可以有健保嗎沒有沒有阿中配呢不知道我看居留時間對啦對我也不會強拗所以只有中配可以讓他的直系血清來移清往下看 |
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我現在說外配的配合規劃要測試除了社長有三個選擇嘛要不就選擇就學一年要不就選擇參加課程要不然就要通過測試你覺得外配通過這個方式取得台灣的入籍合不合理?這不是那個業務這是目前 都是這樣嘛那你覺得中配比賽外配是不是要通過規劃測試? |
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中配入籍後優於外配的待遇我們社會希望檢討因為現在顯然社會認為說外配的待遇比較好其實相反啊中配比較好啊那檢討啊可不可以檢討一下不要一個國家兩個待遇嘛中配跟外配待遇不一樣嘛中配是你管的嘛可不可以考慮一下檢討考慮檢討 |
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我想政府院長已經已經通過了他講過了他希望能夠社會多溝通啦多溝通盡量一樣對不對好盡量一樣第二個那我就要求中配入籍可不可以比照外配通過考試可不可以評估評估一下好不好因為這是公平的問題嘛我遇到了越南媽媽跟遇到了中國媽媽為什麼越南媽媽來台灣入籍要經過測試中國媽媽不用 |
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可不可以評估一下?你們評估後,把你們評估後的一個結論給我,可以嗎?好,我們來參考一下。好,謝謝。好,非常謝謝鍾嘉斌的質詢,謝謝你,謝謝諸董。諸董,我要提醒您齁,其實那個健保的問題,您剛剛應該要再講清楚,我們探親的陸配家屬,他沒有濫用健保的問題。 |
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因為兩岸人民的這個關係條例限制他們居留不可以超過6個月對不對然後呢我們目前依法陸配家屬要居留6個月以上才能拿到健保嘛但是呢我們這個條例裡面是不會讓他們待的超過6個月你剛剛應該要講清楚所以健保濫用問題不是存在的問題 |
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楊瓊英委員、楊瓊英委員、楊瓊英委員不在陳婷菲、陳婷菲、陳婷菲委員不在 |
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鄭天才委員鄭天才委員鄭天才委員不在張家俊委員張家俊委員張家俊委員不在張志倫張志倫張志倫委員提書面報告王宏威王宏威也是提書面不在謝一鳳謝一鳳謝一鳳委員不在 |
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政政前政政前政政前委員不在林思敏林思敏林思敏委員不在邱志偉邱志偉邱志偉委員不在林俊憲林俊憲林俊憲委員不在林楚英林楚英林楚英委員不在蔡易瑜蔡易瑜蔡易瑜委員不在陳冠廷陳冠廷陳冠廷委員不在 |
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登記發言的委員除了不在場之外的其餘都已經發言完畢了我們詢答結束委員張志倫還有徐宇貞他們所提出的書面質詢列入記錄刊登公報書面質詢還有未及答覆的部分我們請相關的單位在一週之內以書面來答覆並且要複製本會今天的會議到這裡結束我們現在散會辛苦了大家也謝謝 |