| IVOD_ID |
156991 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/156991 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-19-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-18T09:55:27+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-18T10:05:32+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:05 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/37ff27132e477e875bd97946da316925dc7cef15d9be6ba6c5cdff58eca86e5d9eca1244ea1315045ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳亭妃 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:55:27 - 10:05:32 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-11-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於農業部及所屬單位預算部分。
二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算關於農業部主管，非營業部分：農業作業基金、農田水利事業作業基金、農業特別收入基金及農民退休基金。(詢答)） |
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謝謝主席 請部長陳部長我每次在質詢當中都跟您在討論一個叫制度的問題 |
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基本上我相信從過去到現在我們不論是農業的摘損、漁業的摘損或畜牧的摘損我們其實在每一次有颱風過後尤其今年又特別今年的特別是到了11月還有這些怪胎除了第一次康瑞之後大家認為說哇可能是就這樣結束了沒有 |
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海連4個台風共伴當然他們會不會互相影響我們不了解因為那是一個大氣象的狀態可是 |
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事必他一定會對我們台灣不論有沒有直撲畢竟他還會有一些氣流的影響所以基本上從康瑞一直到現在你知道我們是持續摘損持續摘損不是延遲性是持續性摘損這是很恐怖你看從康瑞 |
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發言委員：發言委員 |
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發言員： |
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部長制度很重要颱風過後是不是我們就要要求在SOP的第一關應該要要求農業局要求各區公所針對農民的損害趕快做速報這是第一關嘛是 |
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發言委員： |
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是因為當時候那個是全面性的自災所以有辦法第一時間全面性公告可是在各地方像在台南第一時間11月1號部長你還可以看你的LINE你第一通你一大早還沒開會之前就接到我的電話我跟你講科朋的問題我跟你講我們這些各品項 |
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但是部長你看喔 |
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現在從康瑞到現在只有胡麻完成公告只有胡麻完成公告其他來我們看楊香瓜楊香瓜紅蔥頭是已經達災損標準還沒公告因為他們要在開會要報資料上來 |
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楊香瓜紅蔥頭這個都是第一時間就已經致災嚴重的。我不知道是誰發生問題啦。 |
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是政府發生問題還是農業部不積極?我要跟委員說明一下也順便讓所有的我想包括我們的媒體朋友知道其實天然災害救助的標準它是由地方公所這邊去訴報訴報了以後 |
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確定了它的自災程度然後由公所確認以後提報到縣府縣府提報到農業部農業部再公告這是標準的流程但是因為大面積的自災農業部在第一時間我們就啟動了我們的分署跟改良場所跟漁業署的部分去看我們就採用主動公告可是主動公告的過程我們也發現了包括部分的縣市包括台南還有其他縣市公所就變成 |
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不怎麼想要去看這個我們都清楚所以我為什麼一直請你就把事情SOP講清楚這個SOP已經就在那邊了我們也要求就在那邊問題是你沒有要求嘛大家地方看中央中央看地方嘛誰受害農民受害 |
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因為大家都沒有想到喔農民如果受損之後他的農作物產生自災他沒有趕快去做清理他沒有翻根他那些東西更嚴重啊他會造成下一季的收成有問題喔他如果在整個造成菌的影響 |
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那不是我們能夠去思考的喔所以我們農民都第一時間你知道嗎楊江瓜那一天那一天11月1號下午去看早上這邊假凍立法院假凍下午去看的時候他們已經翻過一番了捏他們已經趕快做處理了我說你怎麼這麼快有委員我們如果沒趕快處理的話有可能我們下一季就發生問題了 |
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農民的感受度 |
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很清楚所以楊香瓜跟紅蔥頭我說到目前為止康瑞從10月底30號那時候一直到現在多久了 |
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農田水利事業基金、農田水利事業基金及農田水利事業基金及農田水利基金及農田水利基金及農田水利基金及農田水利基金及農田水利基金及農田水利基金及農田水利基金及農田水利基金及農田水利基金及農田水利基金及農田水利基金及農田水利基金及農田水利基金及農田水利基金及農田水利基金及農田水利基金及農田 |
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這是我們也要謝謝我們農糧署啦在我們吹的時候有去了解啦然後現在有一些問題我剛好要跟部長說啦楊江瓜北門區、將軍區、契谷區、安南區有達到整個綜合評估的救助標準現在在成合當中紅松頭也是安南區契谷有符合救助標準目前在成合中趕快公告 |
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趕快公告再來是番茄番茄還有玉米 |
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這個部分還有蕎麥跟黑豆這個都是持續性持續性的自災你像蕎麥黑豆就是蕎麥是六甲區關田區黑豆是柳營區關田區北門區這個部分這個部分到底他們自災的狀況趕快速報居然還有區公所是拿3月份的資料給你們你們知不知道 |
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很誇張啊 真的很誇張來部長重新因為這整個颱風四個颱風共伴的四個颱風是從康睿一直到現在都是持續性的現在已經叫他報報了趕快去訴報了解整個狀況已經浸在水裡兩十星期了 |
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再來就是我們番茄的部分是鹽水、將軍、北門、關田、永康也趕快去有些都還沒訴報我一個一個追我得到的訊息農民給我的陳情我一個一個追這些有很多都還沒訴報還有食用玉米整個狀況都不一樣山上將軍、家裡、西港、麻豆這些拜託部長 |
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拜託部長 |
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592.809 |
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拜託跟台南市政府聯絡 |
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陳委員亭妃：（9時55分）謝謝主席，請部長。 |
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主席：請陳部長。 |
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陳部長駿季：委員好。 |
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陳委員亭妃：部長，我每次在質詢當中都跟您在討論一個叫制度的問題。 |
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陳部長駿季：是。 |
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陳委員亭妃：基本上從過去到現在，不論是農業的災損、漁業的災損或畜牧的災損，其實每一次颱風過後，尤其今年又特別，今年的特別在於到了11月還有這些怪颱。除了第一次的康芮之後，大家認為可能就這樣結束了，沒有！還連4個颱風共伴，當然它們會不會互相影響我們不了解，因為那是大氣象的狀態，可是勢必一定會對臺灣，不論有沒有直撲，畢竟它還會有一些氣流的影響。所以基本上從康芮一直到現在，你知道我們是持續災損，不是延遲性的，是持續性災損。 |
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陳部長駿季：連續性的。 |
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陳委員亭妃：這很恐怖，你看從康芮開始，下大雨，所有農作物浸在水裡，之後又加上4個颱風共伴，所有的氣流影響，雨勢也沒有停過，等於是整個農作物完全都被水浸泡著。像番茄、玉米，像當初我們第一時間去看的洋香瓜、紅蔥頭，還有現在的蕎麥、黑豆，可是臺南市政府還有多少還沒報，我們不知道、不清楚，我們是一樣一樣追喔！所以部長，制度很重要，颱風過後，是不是我們在SOP的第一關，應該要求農業局要求各區公所針對農民的損害趕快做速報，這是第一關。 |
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陳部長駿季：是。 |
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陳委員亭妃：結果是讓農民不知道怎麼辦，我相信絕對不只臺南市政府，各縣市政府絕對都是這樣，因為過去我們都做得太快了。 |
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陳部長駿季：對。 |
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陳委員亭妃：中央做得太快，直接公告，大家就覺得好像都是這個樣子，錯了！因為當時是全面性致災，所以有辦法第一時間全面性公告，可是在各地方，像在臺南，第一時間、11月1日，部長，你還可以看你的LINE，你的第一通、一大早還沒開會之前就接到我的電話，我跟你講蚵棚的問題、我跟你講我們各品項的災損狀況。因為是各品項，沒辦法一致性地說哪一個農作物、哪一個品項受損比較嚴重，沒有辦法。 |
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陳部長駿季：是。 |
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陳委員亭妃：所以我當時就是拜託部長要趕快要求各區公所做速報、去了解，但是你看，從康芮到現在，只有胡麻完成公告，其他的像洋香瓜、紅蔥頭是已經達災損標準，但還沒公告，因為他們還要再開會，要報資料上來。洋香瓜、紅蔥頭這個都是第一時間就已經致災嚴重的，我不知道是誰發生問題，是市政府發生問題？還是農業部不積極？ |
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陳部長駿季：我要跟委員說明一下，也順便讓所有的人，包括媒體朋友知道，其實天然災害救助的標準是由地方公所去速報，速報了以後，確定它的致災程度，然後由公所確認以後提報到縣府，縣府提報到農業部，農業部再公告，這是標準的流程；但是因為大面積的致災，農業部在第一時間就啟動我們的分署、改良場所跟漁業署的部分去看，我們就採用主動公告，可是主動公告的過程，我們也發現部分的縣市，包括臺南還有其他縣市，公所就變成不怎麼想要去看。 |
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陳委員亭妃：部長，這個我們都清楚，所以我為什麼一直請你把事情的SOP講清楚。 |
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陳部長駿季：這個SOP已經在那邊了，我們也要求…… |
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陳委員亭妃：就在那邊，問題是你沒有要求嘛！大家都地方看中央、中央看地方，誰受害？農民受害。 |
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陳部長駿季：是。 |
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陳委員亭妃：因為大家都沒有想到農民受損之後，他的農作物致災，如果沒有趕快清理、翻耕，那些東西…… |
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陳部長駿季：他後面的損失更嚴重。 |
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陳委員亭妃：更嚴重啊！ |
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陳部長駿季：是。 |
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陳委員亭妃：它會造成下一季的收成有問題，如果整個造成菌的影響，那不是我們能夠去思考的。農民都是第一時間處理，以洋香瓜為例，那一天11月1號，早上立法院甲動，下午我去看的時候，他們已經翻過一遍了，他們已經趕快在處理了。我問他們怎麼這麼快？他們回我說：委員，如果沒趕快處理的話，有可能下一季就發生問題了。這是農民的心聲啊！我們公務人員呢？是這樣的想法嗎？不是。部長，我們一直關心農民，可是農民的感受度很清楚，洋香瓜跟紅蔥頭到目前為止，康芮從10月30號一直到現在，多久了？ |
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陳部長駿季：差不多一個多月，應該有一個多月。 |
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陳委員亭妃：還沒啦！還沒一個多月，大概半個月，康芮是10月底嘛！ |
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陳部長駿季：有三個禮拜左右。 |
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陳委員亭妃：對啊！到現在只有胡麻公告。好，洋香瓜、紅蔥頭已經達災損，北門區、將軍區，這是我去撈的資料，也要謝謝農糧署，在我們催的時候有去瞭解，現在有一些問題，我剛好要跟部長說。洋香瓜在北門區、將軍區、七股區、安南區有達到整個綜合評估的救助標準，現在在陳核當中；紅蔥頭也是，安南區、七股有符合救助標準，目前在陳核中，趕快公告。 |
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陳部長駿季：我們會立即跟臺南市政府聯繫，以後也是一樣，一旦發生以後，我們會要求市政府一定要第一時間去處理。 |
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陳委員亭妃：好，部長，這部分已經確認了，趕快公告。再來是番茄、玉米、蕎麥跟黑豆，這個都是持續性的致災，像蕎麥、黑豆，蕎麥是六甲區、官田區；黑豆是柳營區、官田區、北門區，到底這個部分致災的狀況如何，趕快速報，居然還有區公所拿3月份的資料給你們，你們知不知道？很誇張啦！ |
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陳部長駿季：這個番茄的情況，今天他們跟我們回報，今天會去會勘…… |
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陳委員亭妃：真的很誇張。部長，因為共伴的四個颱風，從康芮一直到現在都是持續性的，現在趕快叫他們提報，趕快速報，瞭解整個狀況，都已經泡在水裡兩、三個禮拜了，說那個可以活，我都不相信。再來，番茄的部分是鹽水、將軍、北門、官田、永康，也趕快處理，有些都還沒有速報，從我得到的訊息、農民給我陳情，我一個一個追，有很多都還沒有速報；還有食用玉米，整個狀況都不一樣，山上、將軍、佳里、西港、麻豆，拜託部長，請你趕快跟農業局說，請區公所趕快速報，我們趕快把它彙整起來，該給人家的災損公告，就趕快災損公告。一個重點就是洋香瓜跟紅蔥頭，拜託部長趕快公告，因為這個已經都達到致災標準了，其他的部分要求各區公所趕快速報，再拜託。 |
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陳部長駿季：我們會儘速跟臺南市政府聯絡。 |
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陳委員亭妃：謝謝。 |
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主席：謝謝陳亭妃委員，請部長儘速跟臺南市政府相關單位聯絡，請回座。 |
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下一位質詢請謝衣鳯委員。 |
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132 |
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委員會-11-2-19-14 |
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邱志偉 |
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林岱樺 |
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邱議瑩 |
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鄭正鈐 |
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陳亭妃 |
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謝衣鳯 |
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張啓楷 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
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陳超明 |
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楊瓊瓔 |
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賴瑞隆 |
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張嘉郡 |
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呂玉玲 |
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鍾佳濱 |
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林俊憲 |
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牛煦庭 |
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洪孟楷 |
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伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe |
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張雅琳 |
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蔡易餘 |
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59 |
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2024-11-18 |
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11310101 |
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11310101_00003 |
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立法院第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第14次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於農業部及所屬單位預算部分；二、審查114年度中央政府
總預算案附屬單位預算關於農業部主管，非營業部分：農業作業基金、農田水利事業作業基金、
農業特別收入基金及農民退休基金（詢答） |
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11310101_00002 |