| IVOD_ID |
15698 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/15698 |
| 日期 |
2024-03-06 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-36-3 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
3 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第3次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-03-06T08:30:51+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-03-06T11:48:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
03:17:09 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/8d241381c4f8c7fc370e55bcfbb05b217e60f8021a25648d3be8d109af184be4ce812047313ca4bf5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-03-06T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第3次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院人事行政總處人事長列席報告業務概況及立法計畫，並備質詢。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
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08:30:51 - 11:48:00 |
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報告委員會出席委員10人以足法定人數請主席宣布開會 |
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好 現在開始開會 那我們先進行報告事項那請宣讀上次會議的議事錄立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第2次全體委員會議議事錄實現中華民國113年3月4日星期一上午9時16分至12時48分地點本院紅樓302會議室出席委員黃委員國昌等13人 |
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列席委員．委員如均等16人．列席官員．司法院秘書長吳三龍等人．主席吳昭吉委員鍾憲．報告事項．宣讀上次會議議事錄決定確定．而邀請司法院秘書長列席說明立法計畫．並備質詢。． |
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本次會有委員黃國昌等14人提出質詢決定一報告及詢答完畢二委員質詢時要求提供相關資料會以書面答覆者請相關機關緊速送交個別委員及本會通過臨時提案二項宣讀完畢 |
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因為現在委員人數的關係我們稍後再確認議事錄那我現在先介紹那個到場的委員現在到場的委員是黃國昌委員還有傅坤祺委員我現在就應邀的列席官員 |
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人事長蘇俊榮副人事長懷旭公務人力發展學院院長陳明忠綜合規劃處處長周威庭編織人力處處長張翠娟培訓考用處處長陳悅春 |
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給予福利處處長林錦惠人事資訊處處長莊素怡秘書室主任蔡富雄人事室主任蘇月娥紀處主任陳立慧政風室主任潘文莉 |
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1941.06 |
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確認議事錄上次的議事錄確定 |
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本次議程我們是邀請行政院的人事行政總處人事長列席報告業務概況還有立法計畫並備質詢現在進行報告發言時間是5分鐘請行政院人事總處蘇人事長報告主席各位委員大家好人事總處統籌規劃各機關能力支援管理政策 |
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1989.483 |
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務實推動組織調整、建建各項大義福利等業務以多元且務實的方式協助各機關穩健運作共同提升政府施政績效以下緊就本總處重要業務推動情形以今年工作重點及立法計畫進行報告 |
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首先是行政機關組織調整112年完成內政經濟交通農業環境部及河岸會五部議會及其首屬機關的立法作業以及新機關的運作並成立個人資料保護委員會籌備處及國家動漫博物館籌備處 |
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在行政法人的部分我們在112年共成立國家自動安全研究院國家太空中心等4個行政法人並以近年陸續辦理行政法人公司以及先導會就務實應作所遭遇的困難共同研商交流因應在延耳管理方面近年已將人力優先預租於司法改革邊境管理環境保育矯正檢查與個資保護等重大業務需求 |
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同時積極精簡超額援額以及處請機關應用給予人力一一三年度中央機關預算總總數為二十二萬八百九十九人叫一百零一年行政院組織調整啟動的元額數減少一萬 |
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2305人．檢力5.3%．人事總處．將持續透過顏偶評鑑及．人數統計分析等組織審議的工具．協助各機關合理配置主設及顏偶．在中高階公務人員培育方面．112年辦理國家政務研究班及．高階領導研究班．主題式教學方式設計國內外課程． |
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並則定淨零排放為主題培育高階人眼跨域治理能力另外以淨零治理及淨零生活轉型為主題顯送事實二問 |
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出國專體研究增進公務人才國際視野人事總處也配合性平商法修法邀請前續部保訓會勞動部等相關部會研商公部門性騷擾案件紳士處理參考指引協助各機關推動落實性騷擾防治措施並辦理相關課程加強修法重點先導至113年期也將性騷擾防治法規及議事納入公務人員每年 |
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每人必須完成斜斜實施的範圍在公布人員健康前部分人事總處在去年9月間復工工時較高的海巡署艦隊分署等特殊輪班輪休機關辦理實地防事聽起基層同仁對於請求制度的建議將持續加強宣導並收集實務意見具體調整在經公教員工 |
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113年度經公交大意義通案調整4個百分比．同時也配合行政院組織調整．核實審議各類人員大意義項目．另外強化公務人員執行職務保障．建議全區部將執行危險職務．發生意外致失能或死亡未分金．由現行新來幣600萬．調整至1000萬．並將受傷未分金花旺額度調整一倍．應應應少子化．持續推動公部門設置職場． |
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透逸設施若實職場友善生養措施人事總處 |
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2192.795 |
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2214.54 |
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單戶公部門能力支援管理的幕僚角色將持續引領專業的人事作為﹐服務與資訊科技推動人事數位轉型及資料治理﹐並深化友善健康的公務職場﹐積極協助各機關提升問題解決力﹐精進重大議題因應策略﹐敬請各位委員繼續予以支持﹐以上報告進行指教 |
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機關代表報告完畢相關書面報告內容請各位參閱並且列入公報記錄好那我們現在開始進行詢答本會會委員詢答時間是8分鐘必要時的延長2分鐘那非本會委員詢答時間是5分鐘並不再延長上午10點30分截止發言登記那我們現在請登記第一位的黃國昌委員發言 |
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2251.858 |
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任市長好今天拜讀了人事總處所提出來的業務計畫跟修法的計畫那我看到其中一項我非常的感觸很深您提到了為了要強化公務人員執行職務的保障提高意外傷亡慰務金額度我相信 |
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2273.92 |
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2297.174 |
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給意外傷亡的公務人員提高慰問金的額度大家都贊成但為什麼說我很感慨強化公務人員職務的保障預防剩餘事後的慰問等到悲劇發生了以後再高的慰問金恐怕都沒有辦法挽回悲劇也沒有辦法撫慰家屬的心情我為什麼這樣子說呢 |
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2298.855 |
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2325.182 |
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我不知道人事長你還記不記得6年前在同一個會議室同一個地方那時候您還是副人事長現在也恭喜你高升人事長了6年前我們在這邊曾經有一段對話我那個時候直接跟人事長說針對公務人員安全及衛生防護辦法訂得很爛沒有辦法保護我們的警校 |
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行政院人事總處有沒有那個破例告訴考試院要改你還記不記得當時你怎麼跟我說的沒有關係我提醒你我說話一向有憑有據你是說我們會按照指示盡速協調針對一些需要改善的條文再來加強請問改了什麼條文 |
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我這裡跟委員報告事實上我們有跟保訊會跟前序部在你來溝通事實上那個華的主管機關我們事實上是溝通了6年以後改了什麼條文這個部分我必須要跟委員講很抱歉你跟我抱歉沒有用啊你還知不知道2018年4月的時候我們為什麼在這裡有這段對話嗎你還記不記得 |
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基本上應該是發生一些消防人員的這一些意外事件我必須要說齁2018年4月的時候發生了進棚大火我們有六位消防弟兄罹難了那個時候基層的消防勇敢的打火英雄跟立法院跟行政院跟我們的政府大聲疾呼 |
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防護人員安全及衛生防護辦法要修沒有辦法保障他們你那個時候也是在這個委員會裡面跟我做了承諾說你會跟保訓會協調針對一些需要改善的條文再來加強6年過去了修了什麼修了什麼答案是什麼都沒有修答案是什麼都沒有修 |
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您說跟考訓會在協調您覺得很抱歉最近開始跟考試院那邊跟保訓會那邊在協調是什麼時候您還記得嗎最近是因為 |
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最近一次是什麼時候? |
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行政院副院長召開會議什麼時候? |
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時間我記得可能都比你清楚去年10月12號12月12號然後你們提出來的書面報告是你們要修你們要改距離上一次的承諾6年上一次走了6個地修過了6年什麼都沒有改這一次又走了4個地修行政院去年又說要改 |
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你們覺得這樣子政府對得起那些在第一線射聲犯難的打火英雄嗎?我這裡跟委員報告一下在上一年12月12號副院長召開的會議我們目前是朝在消防法裡面增加治安辦法來確保好 你們針對消防法裡面針對那樣子的辦法要去修正你們所提出來的這樣子的方案基層的警消接受嗎?同意嗎? |
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報告委員這一個方案的設計事實上已經有多次跟消防相關的對所以我說嘛他們接不接受認為夠不夠這是我的問題啦 |
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我跟委員報告因為這個部分消防署署長他們給我們的回覆你在意的是署長的意見還是基層警消的意見你在意的是坐在辦公室裡面吹冷氣的人的意見還是在第一線打火英雄的意見事實上我講法跟委員一樣我們在乎的是第一線打火英雄的意見所以過了6年都沒有改過了6年都沒有改真的在意嗎 |
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我今天要的啦我不是在為難人事長我知道這個要協調但我希望你要有態度我們跟打火弟兄站在一起在這一條道路上應該有的改革誰阻擋誰拖延我們批判誰我們這樣還對得起他們嗎我看到那些錦囂的同仁看到他們的弟兄死了在凱達格蘭道道上面流著眼淚 |
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我們的政府應該要有的修法的步調是一而再再而三的拖延我不客氣的說啊這個政府對不起他們過了6年都沒有改又走了4名弟兄到現在蔡文燦所提出來的方案我直接跟人事長報告啊他們對於要修這一個 |
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安全及衛生防護辦法他們已經沒有任何期待了他們現在所提出來直接的訴求是什麼他們要求回歸全面適用職業安全衛生法連你們所提出來的那個消防法裡面要去增加的他們都看不下去了他們的訴求人事長知道嗎 |
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我跟委員報告事實上在討論的過程中我們本來是朝兩個方向一個是在消防法裡面去強化治安法另外一個是徹底來修改職業安全衛生法可是當 |
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討論到職業安全衛生法的時候蕭黃弟兄他有其他的考量他有其他的意見事實上在整個過程中我們有參與本來我們第一個方向是朝職業安全衛生法去修去保障他們有效的去保障沒有關係啦我這樣跟人事長講好了我跟人事長要一個承諾 |
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找個時間跟基層消防弟兄面對面好好坐下來談聽聽他們的心聲他們現在發出來的聲明是他們去年本來要上凱道結果他們非常後悔誤信了鄭文燦以為鄭文燦有誠意啊所以取消了上凱道沒想到取消了上凱道了以後他們才發現他們被耍啦他們為什麼這麼憤怒他們為什麼這麼憤怒 |
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第二個部分他們希望要組工會行政院端出來的菜單是特種公務人員協會他們認為沒有用人事長你的態度呢事實上這個部分我們有跟情緒部有充分的討論過而且跟相關的部會沒有關係啦就中間的那個就不用講了你的態度是什麼贊不贊成 |
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我們還是建議在目前的公務人員協會法裡面直接來規範一些團體協約權還有爭議權相關的規範我就直接幫你整理出來了啦你們的修法版本我全部都拜讀過了我也問過消防弟兄的意見啊他們反對啊看不下去啊團結前門檻過高 |
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協商權範圍太窄沒有辦法真正行使爭議權沒有關係啦你們的態度是這個樣子該推動的修法我們來推動最後一個問題目前軍公教的待遇沒有法制化的基礎很多團體包括立法院的法治局包括監察院都一直說條新機制應該要法制化這一件事情人事總處有沒有任何的規劃 |
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法制化本來就是應該需要的目前在執行上上午自愛燃刑的地方 |
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從你的角度來講當然是沒有刺案難行的地方嘛你要從七成員工的角度講他們滿不滿意嘛現在沒有法源依據連軍公教員工待遇審議委員會設置要點都沒有法源的辦法相關的單位包括監察院要求行政院提出檢討多久啦到現在都還在拖 |
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接動法制化這件事情我再說一次阿如果人總不做阿立法院來做在完成法制化以前我最後只問一個關鍵的問題阿不要耽誤其他委員太多的時間阿現在有很多基層的公務員包括老師他們要求軍公教員工待遇審議委員會設置要點裡面的代表應該要有基層員工任市長你贊不贊成 |
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這一點我沒有反對可是我必須要跟委員你沒有反對我沒有反對為什麼呢因為我們在你為什麼時候可以實現我們現在是採一個變通的方式在委員會召開之前我們會跟交易部把相關的團體因為委員你也知道嘛 |
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我這樣說好了啦齁 |
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這一個調整機制的法制化還要等多久什麼時候裡面才可以有基層員工的代表這是我關心的兩個問題剛剛人事長某個程度你的回答我不知道你為什麼當了人事長還有這麼多無奈那沒有關係今天本席跟其他的委員我們一起提了一個臨時提案希望人事行政總處針對這件事情必須要提出一個完整的報告出來 |
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而且更重要的事情不是單純只有提報告這件事情我們希望能夠儘速的落實實現來回應廣大基層的公務同仁還有老師他們共同的心聲人事長同意嗎 |
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我想我們會按照委員的一個要求盡速把我希望你這次跟我講說會按照委員的指示來處理不是跟6年前一樣就一樣啊我剛剛不是秀給你看了嗎6年前我們這裡有一段對話坐了6年以後坐在這邊一樣沒有實現啊我應該沒說錯吧 |
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一尊這副人事長進這人事長所以現在管理比較大嘛現在權力比較大嘛有一些commitment我們還是會去遵循啦好 謝謝 |
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好我們現在先做一下宣告今天有委員提出臨時提案所以依照本會的往例在登記質詢的本會會員發言告一個段落後處理那我們預計處理臨時提案的時間在早上11點那如果到時候有委員正在詢答就在該位委員詢答完畢之後馬上進行臨時提案好那我們接下來請陳委員俊宇進行詢答 |
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好謝謝主席我們人事長還有我們所有列席的處長主任各位委員大家早安我想首先來請教我們人事長對於我們這個組織改造的緣而檢討的問題那我們行政院在2023年我們推動了這個組織調整並且完成了五部議會及所屬機關的組織改造的相關工作 |
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那從去年的8月到這個9月期間就以新的這個機關架構在運作當中那到現在大約已經上路半年左右但當時進行組織改造原而仍然以原有的人數為基準並沒有大幅的增加 |
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甚至還有這個欲缺不補的這個跡象那對此事我想請教就是我們人事行政總處有沒有定期來做檢討的機制以符合我們機關這個業務的需求也符合政府施政的方針 |
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好 謝謝委員 我想這分兩個方面來講那個上一年112年的五部議會的主改大概我們人力精簡大概682位然後一個很重要的就是我們在主改的目標我們不希望造成一種大家錯誤的印象 |
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業主改機關的業膨脹所以我們把待檢的這些延額去做適當的一個減少那然後當然在上一年從8月1號開始到目前的這半年中間也有一些新成立的一個機關他們在業務運作上他需要額外增加的人事實上我們都有跟他們溝通甚至我們還派同仁 |
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現場去看該給的人我們還是有給那第二個比較常態性的做法就是我們有兩年一度的一個延額評鑑那延額評鑑這是一個非常紮實的一個工作我們會請所有二級機關來去做兩年一度的延額評鑑那最近這兩次我們有做一些微調等於平常我們在看的是以二級機關的角度 |
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現在我們會抽幾個業務比較重點的像水利署林業保育署或者移民署這些重點的機關我們直接就進到三級機關去協助他們針對嚴若評鑑的一些結果去做一些適當的接應比如像資訊化很多機關都已經有資訊化可是資訊化裡面我們發現資訊化的速度不夠前面 |
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深度也不夠然後速度也慢了一點像這種我們就會給他一個比較明確的一個概案就希望他可以加快的來做改善比如說像移民署來講移民署我們也去看了兩趟 |
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因為現在很多E-GATE自動通關了嘛,像日本啊,還有新加坡,他們就大量利用那個自動化人臉辨識的這一種生物特徵的來加速通關嘛,那這一部分我們坦白講也有跟移民署也做了很多的互動,那同樣的這一部分也取得了內政部長的支持 |
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那聽起來應該我們就是針對這個部分都有在落實做檢討啦齁那也秉持我們這個人事總處的這個當真則真當簡則簡的這個原則啦我希望說因為你在原而做調整做分配的過程裡面也不要去影響到我們公務人員的一個基本條件啦齁他在做工作的時候不要說工作量暴增還是說我們為了要減少人事的開銷然後把人減到讓他們工作量 |
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不堪負荷的話我覺得這也不適合所以這部分我們還是請我們這個人事總處這邊對於這個滾動式的檢討應該要持續進行那另外我想再請教一下就是為了我們我們這個員工的協助方案方面那我們為了協助這個公務人員解決可能影響工作效能的相關問題並且能夠以健康身心的這個來投入 |
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行政院從2013年4月定定的行政院所屬的地方機關學校員工協助方案包括工作適應生涯規劃法律諮詢稅務債務保險等財務規劃心理健康等多方面服務 |
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本期最關心的當然就是公務人員的這個心理健康問題現在不管是民間的企業還是學校都更加的重視員工的這個還有學生的這個心理健康問題可是不同措施機制的這個因應會讓我們公務人員的心理狀況在過去恐怕是一個比較被忽視的一個區塊那 |
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現在社會普遍認為公務人員因為他們的工作穩定單純在旁人來看他是一個鐵飯碗那近年來因為公務人員離職的相關問題越來越多雖然大部分的人都是說是個人的這個因素而提出離職可是從實際的觀察來看 |
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很多人都是因為這個所謂的心累那我想請教我們人事長關於公務人員的這個心理健康問題我們人事總處在推動員工的協助方案方面我們處理的情況如何 |
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謝謝委員給我這個機會來說明事實上從102年我們重新整建整個行政院跟所屬地方機關學校員工的一個協助方案之後第一個我們是解決知不知道的問題知不知道有這樣的一個機制然後去哪裡看然後會不會的問題會不會假如他個人有這種需要心理諮商需要help |
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委員會主席 |
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這是一個內部驅動的一個活動同樣的我們也有找外部的支援進來就是說當同仁有需要的時候因為要考慮到他的個人的隱私的問題所以我們會給一組電話我們每一年都會簽約比如像張老師相關的這一些外面的團體或者心理諮商師就請他們打電話當然就是會 |
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簽一個合約就是百次的來算可是我覺得有一個很重要的部分在制度化的米漿制度化的部分一個很重要的會在哪裡?我們人跟人的溝通應該是互相關心你如果互相關心就有大數化小數化沒有現在很多的問題來自於大家那一種 |
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互動的密度低阿人跟人的互動的溫度不夠假如辦公室那個溫度有夠大家互相關心一下你像我去南部大家都比較稀薄你有什麼事情我都要你關心一下阿我有什麼事情你幫我倒三天這樣互相料齁其實很多事情會不會遺憾的事情不會發生阿我還是我一直在拜託同仁就是說多關心一下就寒暄溫暖你就幫忙一下 |
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這個部分我也是請我們人事總處這邊多一點關心你若讓我們的公務人員在他的職場能夠受到溫度的關懷我相信在他的工作 |
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針對五一勞動節的問題我們就現行面來看勞動節是勞工朋友在放假 |
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那公務人員還是需要上班可是會造成許多層面的混亂及不方便我們就說這個學生孩子加上家庭這個問題就好了有一些因為家長沒有放假可是學校都放假了 |
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這孩子要怎麼做所以我們在這個五一勞動節的這個節日方面我們有沒有一個全國性的一致這個想法我們在昨天看到陳建仁這個院長他也有說對於這個部分可以考慮那人事長你也說內部會這個進行評估我想進一步來了解一下對這個部分我們評估的情況如何那未來有沒有可能來推動 |
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委員報告這件事情就是要based on紀念日及節日實施辦法因為主管機關是內政部所以昨天在執行的時候大概內政部部長也有上去因為這言語在2000年的時候立法院有做一個附帶結議那個休假天數大概115或116 |
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那這一部分內政部他會去召開一個會議大概我們人總會參加交易部國防部都會參加我們會把相關我們各個機關的代表會把每一個機關所考量的事情在會議上充分討論然後看討論的結果怎樣內政部會簽到行政院行政院合定以後看看就是到final就是看看怎樣 |
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我還是主張對於五一勞動節的部分我請人事總處跟我們內政部相關部會去做研擬的討論之後能夠有一致性的放假情況才不會造成社會混亂的情況還有一些不方便以上我們接下來請審發會委員發言 |
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好,人事長早齁這個我看我們的這個包括我們今天的這個業務概況及立法計畫有提到啦齁那我們也行政院也有一個我國少子化的這個對策計畫齁這裡面有關這個關於這個在公部門的這個托育服務的這個部分是我們 |
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我們這個人事總處的業務對不對我們的任務這個我國這個少子女化對策這是行政院的整個一部跨部會的計畫這個跨部會的計畫裡面我看我們這個人事總處大概就這個現行政策的這個執行策略的部分 |
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大概我們要負責三個部分一個部分是這個做有關這個各機關落實辦理子女這個托育的這個需求調查作業需求調查是我們的第一個任務第二個就是各機關的這個需求要評估設置評估設置也是我們第二個任務第三個就是我們要協助各機關來設置這實際的設置大概這三個部分是我們這個人事總處要負責那這個再過 |
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再過兩天就婦女節,所以我們對這個有關家庭托育的公部門托育機關的設置的部分今天特別來這邊就教我們人事長 |
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這個我們目前齁目前有關這個我們人事總處所辦理的這個鼓勵各機關積極設置職場托育的這個設施我們有這個按計在追蹤嗎有辦理相關的評比嗎有有我跟委員報告一下我們是每三個月追蹤一次然後每一年都有辦那個比賽然後也追蹤什麼 |
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我們現在對中的不是一般的狀況是各機關各機關到底 |
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有無要籌設有無要設置我們評比的部份也是針對設置的部份評比而不是針對他辦理的績效或是辦理的狀況來評比是不是這樣?最主要我要向委員說明一件事就是他要設置一半你的情形因為說這個啦打幾回到這情形難免會有落差 |
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因為在規劃的時候坦白講因為有很多是建築法規消防安全的一些規定所以我們這個部分也有請相關部會來協助衛福部及教育部這組會來倒三天因為那些加課人總是沒辦法答到你的委員你說的一個重點是應該就是說我們三個會去做什麼事情 |
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我們評比什麼部分我們評比他的什麼因為他辦理的狀況現在目前是教育部或是衛福部在評估他辦理的狀況那我們評比什麼我們人種評比什麼哪一個部分 |
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我跟委員 委員報告我們是一個複合式的 不是人種直接去評我們會找教育部跟衛福部還有一些專家學者一起評評我們在評什麼東西 我們評比的內容是什麼主要評比於什麼我委員報告啦齁 |
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第一是籌備週期的作業的遭延性減30%推動設置作業的積極性這部分35%比如像籌備工作小組面對籌設過程中面臨的問題要如何處理還有它整個進度管控還有沒有完成的這一些相關的管控第三就是完成設置 |
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主要除了這個效益性我們跟他辦理的狀況無關是說他的這個到底有多少人多少員工在使用或者他有多少這個是所謂效益性在大部分你們的評比狀況都是在設置的部分 |
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有些是屬於他的procedure現在就是說針對我們設置之後包括我們的公務員員他使用的包括他的滿意度或者他的使用狀況的優劣這個部分我們沒有進行評比對不對 |
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有沒有做過這方面的調查還是我們只做到設置為止沒有 那個完成設置的那一套的話我就委員報告 第三項就是說我們洩料料 送託子女的人數 員工送託子女比例 員工的滿意度我們提供量化的資料 因為這部分很重要為了給他洩料 就是我幫忙他裡面的服務的滿意度還有沒有滿意度我們也有 |
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這部分很重要因為這部分很重要再來我們有做需求的調查嗎就是還有哪一些機關他有這樣子設置這種托育的需求這個部分我們有調查嗎有有有那調查結果我們今年預計 |
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今年度預計要新設的有多少?一百十三年嗎?對,一百十三年,就是已經,我預計,不是已經設多少,是預計今年會增設多少?多少機關會增設?這部分應該會拖到差不多三四月,因為我還在...現在就三月了 |
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應該是要再三月再四月因為這件事我有委員報告因為還要配合衛福部跟教育部我知道但是現在也已經三月了今年到底今年有多少機關有這樣的需求我們應該是有調查那我們預計今年調查需求之後那今年大概會設置多少我們應該有一個目標 |
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大概是3月底可以出來吧?3月底才會出來是不是?這是兩個層次的問題第一個是有沒有需要的問題有需求是另外一件事我們現在評估我們到現在3月我們評估今年度會增設 |
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因為這件事我委員報告啦 因為那個我還沒說啦因為他就要有空間 要的空間是不是有下熱所消防的相關的法律規定那個是我們在開始設置之後的審查沒有沒有沒有我們大概今年大概會預計設置多少所 我們沒有一個目標嗎或者是沒有一個預計嗎 |
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現在我們就是透過一個機制請衛福部跟教育部大家去提讓大家提看有幾個機關有這個相關的環境是否有這個規定我希望說你們在這個3月底以前能夠把今年我們的計畫設置的這個做一個盤點做一個統計可以嗎 |
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好我來就合照要告有報告那再來就是說我們剛剛也提到說你們有針對他們這個設置做一些評比這些評比有沒有定期有沒有在公佈呢 |
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目前你們這樣子的評比是樹面審查還是實地勘查? |
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有些書審有些實地審查會採兩種兩種是兩種都要並行還是看心情沒有沒有沒有大概會有有些是書名還有比較重要的他會去實地那邊比較沒有重要的用書名比較重要的那類似書審跟實地的那個會分兩種這個我是覺得我們做評比齁 |
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委員會主席 |
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最好我了解一下我們這個去年的1月有通過公務人員的任用法第22條第二項就是他可以依照他自己托兒的需求可以調任這個是公務人員任用法第22條第二項 |
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這個條文從去年2月17號開始實施到現在已經滿一年了我請問這個人事長我們這一年今年這個年度從去年2月17實施到現在有多少公務人員有用這條這條這個第22條第二項的 |
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的這個規定來請調的我跟委員報告我們總共有73位73位同仁有73位總共有73位是所以事實上這個我們這個第22條第二項的他的一年有有70幾位同仁表示說這個這個條文事實上是是的修法是真的是有對對這個公務公務人員的這個這個育兒是真的有很大的幫助吧 |
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事實上是因為絕對有這個需要所以所以這三天看起來沒做但是其實沒做這個部分我們還是要評估辦理的成效啦齁那也要這個這個關於這個法規是不是我們做滾動式的情況這個法規是不是還有能夠更進一步的提供給公務人員一些這個在在育兒上面的一些一些方便齁這個請我們人事總書要多加研究好不好好謝謝委員謝謝 |
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好謝謝,那我們請下一位謝龍介委員發言林書長你好聽你台語講得不錯,你的考驗很像我們南部的當然啦是這樣喔?這樣喔?你每天的經驗好啊 |
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哇!你都把我哄得這麼清楚啊你今天報告裡面齁就提到說這個當真則真啦當簡則簡啦齁精神真好不如就在那天蘇菀英的報告裡面齁有一部分本色是支持啦但是有一部分我沒認同為什麼? |
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一百一十二年本來提到這個立法院喔就是說檢察官助理啊這個事情那聽起來改成所有的委員都蠻贊成因為詐騙很多嘛大家針對這個希望我們幫助辦理檢察管罪結果沒想出來啊沒想出來今年又來提一個 |
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高等法院 我想都沒有了所以我一天跟司法院的秘書長說你這就想要愛人了嘛 偷渡嘛利用大家在支持檢察官 其實檢察官 檢察官助理檢視官裡面已經缺額都不足了缺額達到25%啦檢視官的部分啦 |
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要來增加檢察官處理,我本身認為可能因應網路犯罪,所以需要一些新的改良如果這樣,跟你隔天歡迎司法事務官,還要祈請,我認為你個人在專業,你有支持這種看法嗎?我們說隔天歡迎的部分 |
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閣定範圍的部份說真的啦,因為他們要請假,要做什麼的工作,那個資料還沒報過來啦沒有啦,報告有啊嘛,我們那個報告就有啊,拜的報告就有啊應該他來這裡報告之後,我們那個人事應該你要很快就收集到才對啊 |
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本來立法院是蠻支持就是說檢查事務官 |
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理由說要衝捉可是他沒有送過來他也沒衝他就把流裝不發啊去想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想想 |
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應該支持就應該支持嘛沒有那個必要有什麼硬要處理你敢知道地方辦案檢察官檢視官包括現在講的檢察官助理那些詐騙的案件他所有都侵犯喔判2名以上的幾乎是有救救喔案件那麼多全部都侵犯 |
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那抓詐騙的一堆人那這些詐騙的案件最後侵犯的結果就是再犯率很高嘛甚至有的第一班都沒在看啊啊當然發光光這都車手啊啊既然都這樣都要侵犯了你增加這些人力幹什麼最高法院你整個這裡的人力有什麼意義啊你以你的專業你給我分析講一下 |
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我委員報告因為委員講一個很重要的就是監察那些到司法那些他們的裁判的那個判決有時候跟我們的期待會有一些落差啦因為我有很多檢察官的朋友這不是說判決他起訴警察當然最好判決是在法官的掛點嘛是 |
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你現在檢視官的缺額差不多27%嘛我們說就是他所有一清三罷整個檢察官裡面缺額也差不多780個啊這個檢視官啦 檢視官 你說的是檢視官啦有啦 我剛才跟你說檢察官是差不多100個 |
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那檢視官缺額達到27.6% 什麼原因? |
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欸 他的薪水不錯捏 我看 一個月八萬八捏啊 為什麼還要補不定? |
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我委員報告一個因為是勞役不均嗎不是檢視官他現在的一個問題我覺得是有改善的機會因為他那個訓練中手一年過程可以訓練多少人我是覺得因為他那個訓練是高高位啦 |
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檢查事務官要訓練9個月才能夠用找一個空間本來現在假設是90個農訓量你去找一個200個農訓量啊儘快補啊因為現在是不找啊我不知道啊那有法務部那邊有其他的客戶吧你講我多敢協助你找一個協助的辦法讓本縣來替你執行 |
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我提供一些資料給委員我提供一些資料給委員本末倒置嘛一定是有虧啦有虧啦當然有虧啊沒有人要寫什麼關鍵啊這應該不是薪水的問題薪水不錯啊要備完備完備啊好啦年改六年以後這一堆軍公告退休的人那你說五年要 |
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條件一遍啦 檢討一遍嘛 啊 幾年檢討的結果是怎樣?幾年到今年會檢討 因為這件事 危機現狀嗎?對不對?沒有 之前專屬部委員會 現在在檢討啦退休齁 在17年 2017年開始啦齁 我還講 原本差不多3% 現在感覺差不多1.8%齁 |
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機關內都老化學校的老師都高齡化為什麼?因為沒有保障,他覺得體育沒有保障他的體育金到現在的體育制度沒有發達可以讓他擁有所以大家都要吐到65萬尤其是地方政府我的想法是你的高雄台南就是這樣 |
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這部分其實目前我們大概就是針對退休的公務同仁我們會每四年檢討或者他的那個消費者物價只超過5%會去檢討啦這樣多少會 |
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舒緩一下,但是有一個很重要的概念,我委員報告一下因為現在是少子化,現在要進來公務機關的人會比較少那些人我伴出去的,對經驗的傳承還是有幫助的啦你看我講到邊緣會比較少是因為前面沒人拿開闊就越來越少啦,不是要進來會比較少啦就是隔年外一種少就是因為退休沒有保障啦 |
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所以大家變成你不要講不順,不像以前那樣你不就要尖對本席講,你總要講表明,不然我們兩個你講我講你跟我共用公教人員的條心有沒有黑箱 |
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專業家族有黑箱嗎?專業家族24宗都外公開出來啊公務另外還有6.2%6.25%6.25%6.25%6.25%6.25%6.25%6.25%6.25%6.25%6.25% |
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我最好跟你說,性別平等工作法裡面公務人員及一般企業不一樣 |
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就是說公務領完的、教育領完、軍製的領完,它有哪個適用,但是33條、34條、38跟38之一不在此限這給公務領完受很多委屈,受委屈的人它沒辦法,你要怎麼解決 |
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這部份其實我們有跟外部我們是跟教育部跟衛福部還有保訓會事實上有在溝通協調他現在想到性騷擾他要怎麼處理啊他申訴的管道路照啊不會啦你給我們寫一個書面的書面好啦好啦好 |
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好,謝謝榮介委員。那我們接下來請莊瑞雄委員發言。謝謝主席。出庭我來延續剛剛那個陳委員的一些問題,再來追問一下。就是說五一勞動節,到底公務人員要不要放這個問題。那我相信在整個公務人員的要不要放假的一個決定,其實目的世界主管機關一定的權責嘛。公務人員。 |
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我委員報告,這個紀念日是節日實施辦法,他的主管機關內政部?我知道啦,那是定義,那是元頭,元頭那是用來料議案跟節日實施辦法,這個當然是內政部啦,就這個問題喔,必考題啦,每年大家都會問啦 |
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您本地在去年這條在討論的時候您的回應是內政部去研究就像你剛才說的紀念日及節日時事辦法其實委員本案要提升至法的位階本來就沒有出委員會所以大家都安眠小便但是內政部這邊的一個講法就是希望您可以算命但是您說什麼都說得都太誇張 |
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你去年的公判也是說 雷正博的言議 但是每天都在這樣說 有什麼進度沒有 你有提供什麼見解給雷正博嗎 我覺得這才是重點 以前你看到兒童節要綁不綁 |
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委員會主席 |
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適用勞動基準法這個定義是公法上的一個契約所以大部分就是沒有辦法去用五一勞動節來放假我來記兩個例比如說一個單位裡面的一個同時有公務人員有約聘人員還有派遣親子的臨時人員你遇到勞動節的時候你就很麻煩了是不是這樣說 |
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政府部門你最有精準計畫有些不是事用公募都有付法事用公募有付法事用公募有付法事用公募有付法事用公募有付法事用公募有付法事用公募有付法事用公募有付法 |
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一般人做法規是一間辦公室內一間辦公室內你不要說什麼,只有中央跟地方光這些公職人員,議員也好你說這個幕僚、這個主力 |
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委員會主席 |
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議會有的要運作啊 頭家上班 助理都不用上班 也確實也好奇怪啦 也好奇怪啊但是呢 我的意思是說基本上齁 其實這些幕僚應該來講都是配合著公家單位休息 做洗時間啦齁 因為大家要做工作 要休息就休息啦 所以大家都沒辦法啦 我們說實在啦 |
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其實這些人也都是為這個社會在付出,但是都被勞動節給遺忘掉。那其實我也很清楚,有非常大的困難就是在於你看這個教職人員的部分,老鼠綁,學生又來,又出了這個問題。 |
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就變成就是 如果要放大人 孩子不知道要怎麼做如果要放孩子 大人不知道要怎麼做就整個綜綁 剛好是大人的部分所以這樣子雙重考量之下 您搞不好一定跟全國性的同樣的內政部一樣 |
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內政部就變成說他們去修紀念日跟節日的實施辦法那你從第五條第二項地方直接將勞動節比照兒童節模式你全部都放一天這樣可以嗎 |
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你的態度如何?我的態度跟委員相同啦對阿這樣可以吧這樣應該對阿不然說得這麼清楚他不可以這樣說我跟你相同你完全敘述一下 |
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這個問題我是覺得有一個態度啦好不好,不要一間辦公室,不要一間辦公室,那邊有棒,那邊沒棒 |
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這公家機關最常常碰到這個問題那當然接下來我要問的就是說最近應該你也看到了這個金門海域這個山巫船舶這個那海巡的弟兄發生這個事 |
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我看他們都是非常的盡忠職守,守護我們的一個海疆,他們的工作其實也很多,他們的工作多到你看那些有時候因為我平常我自己選兩屆,我稍微順便做個第四屆,但是我選前面那兩屆就選得順,我要選過去三個海 |
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主席 |
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沒辦法這個政府的人力我們都是把它用到最極致也就是說他們的工作其實也非常高壓其實不只是海巡很多機關都是苦於這個人力那也不時的提出希望說增加援俄的一個聲音這個我相信也都聲音都聽見了 |
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那麼多的機關裡面光你們中央那麼多機關都強調人力不足啊那你們的態度我也很清楚啦你怎麼覺得說中央機關總緣合辦法來精神來對政府用人就是精實的立法的意志又對立法院又笑笑立法院有時候還說你不能浪費有的沒的機關要精簡理論上都對 |
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政府的用人精實的立法意識你懂人力優先調整你現在都在施法邊境管理交易環保矯正檢查社會及交通運輸業務今年預計22萬但是你們都一直在強調相對行政院組織原額減少1.2萬的金錢 |
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臨時人員及派遣勞工分別9073至6644可是在疫情趨緩後的 |
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5522.579 |
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2022年臨時人員6613人這表示你採取的約聘僱的方式來支撐國家公務體系你們還是一個常態會不會引發大家一直在講的同工不同從你也看到這個問題但你也繼續用 |
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委員報告齁 剛才委員齁 講的那個臨時領域大概是會用在那個有改大型的啦你有改大型的工科齁 就不會輸 |
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這件事有一個階段性的我就說兩年三年我們用臨時的因為公務人員你也知道他的保障他也靠一次下來一直要繼續用是啦但是政府的考慮也是一個改變性一個就是業務的進攻現有能力的編制不足然後用臨時能力來補的概念所以也是不該 |
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結論就是不應該這塊我們都有在控制而且我們有控制一個百分比15%以來所以那幾%裡面你就是要去人手你要去買要去他們考慮本來就是要同工不同酬 |
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我是覺得有些工作都一樣那當然涉及到身份保障的問題還有進行的方式不同但是還是要盡量去克服這方面這個確實是也都討論了那麼久那我最後一個問題要請教就是說 |
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有二領新的總統要上任,他的政見內有一人就是要成立體育運動發展部這你也很清楚的,這當然是為體育界藝術更多的一個幫助以前體育署早前變成體育委會,未來是馬政府的首長委 |
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提升主管體育事務層級的組織的一個變動才要三條路第一 最關鍵當然就是新的部會 |
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主席主席主席主席主席主席 |
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那不太可能嘛那我要請教你就以你專業的經驗分析來看過去像國科會也變成科技部但是回來又再變成國科會哪一種方式最能夠提升體育運動事務的支持以外也最符合你們組織基準法的提升施政效能的立法意志 |
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我是從我剛才兩個角度來看第一類似韓國的文化觀光體育部但是這件事要國內大家要有共識他就覺得我很重要我不要去跟文化觀光合作會 |
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要溝通這個有時候溝通的難度蠻高的所以大家想簡單的我就是成立一個體育部但是我覺得現在在總研俄法上線的行政院最好的方式因為我觀察這幾天我們的體育表現都不錯 |
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主要就是你的主管要放那麼多下去這當然啦 這一定啦 我就問你其實要引出來的問題其實就是你看嘛 那個整個那個農委會升格後 人一定增加嘛你現在搞不好你現在去裡面體育部不管你用什麼方式成立一個部 你人也一定增加嘛我怕是怕你告訴我 臨時人員派軍工的方式來達到這個整個公務的量能 |
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你剛才就講一半了好不好他這個齁 裡面會有牽涉到他未來禁用人員的專長類型因為他說這個 提供選手為助民 他們是運動員你如果要請他進來提供補護服務 他沒有科企的資格嘛當然啦你就要用那個類似教育人員 看他有沒有教育人員身份嘛不然你怕他就去藥品的 |
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主席 |
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像新的部會機關部門成立以後人員禁用達到整個公務的量能甚至它的效能那只是合理的但是你去把人家不要去注意你像那個數位部變成部了以後 |
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上路已經一年多 您可以檢討人力的成效 人力補足 還是應該去調整的地方 這些基本如果沒有做到的話 做不成事了 |
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我委員報告 數位部你不是去問譚部長我討論各位站起來問你有需要請人嗎他最近告訴我他要請二十個要去做打雜相關因為他有些是屬於電商的這一些治安的還有打雜的問題他說醜婆 |
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委員會主席 |
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主席一個權宜事項今天天氣比較冷是不是可以請會長幹事把空調溫度稍微控制一下 |
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市長,你覺得今天冷嗎? |
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人事長我看到你過去的資歷你之前都是電算機應用你認為你這個資管的專長對於HR就是人力資源的管理有幫助嗎? |
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本來沒有去注意到他很有幫助後來發現幫助非常大那怎麼具體來講 |
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因為我覺得在整個為什麼會有這樣強烈的感覺就是因為在少子化的過程裡面未來會進到你這樣講太長講到少子化我就要想30年了我直接問你啦你認為是不是可以運用科技能不能增進政府的效能那十三十個啦我再請教一下AI可以用在詐騙那AI可不可以用來辦案你可以看一下為什麼這個畫面又跑掉了呢 |
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對不起齁 你們畫面把它調過來 因為這樣的話那個人事長看不到齁譬如說有一個AI的深衛房仿生詐騙你講五秒啊 它就會變成跟你的聲音一樣或者說有個新聞說透過AI成功的變臉成公司的總公司高層跟香港分公司騙了8億元你有沒有看過這樣的詐騙 有嗎 有嗎齁阿你假如說拍到用AI警察綁在裡面 我就用AI來辦案查案嗎 |
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主席有啊 主席有喔 好 既然是這樣 我進一步來問啦 那麼如果可以透過AI 有沒有辦法可以用來處理文書跟輔佐行政 |
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這是更容易啊那你們有在做了嗎有那你們可以舉個例子你們現在一般我們政府用了大量的約聘戶人力都是輔佐人力其實他做的工作就是什麼他不是做核心業務他在輔佐嘛對不對阿在文書業務的處理上包括傳統的文書業務啦櫃台啦查詢啦這些有沒有可能用這個方式將我們的約聘戶人力做一個精簡 |
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我跟委員報告一下我們有實務上在做的兩件一個是用RPA的方式RPA就是我們尤其像某些像類似主計總署我們也辦了很多訓練課程就RPA的那有沒有成效有沒有因此這些機關降低了對月賓服人力的依賴有沒有不忙的單位比較不忙了嘛人力就可以回收嘛比較新鎮的忙的單位就讓他來做這個月賓服人力嘛 |
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幾年的累積以後我們機關總緣合法有沒有公務人員的總緣合上線當然有 |
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委員會主席委員會主席委員會主席 |
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公務人員將近17萬,約聘募人力1萬5大家機關都要用約聘募人力,都用滿了沒有?沒有沒有 |
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委員會主席 |
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他是擺每一個機關我知道分開的計算方式但總數上就不會超過5%嘛每個機關都是5%的上限總原額只會比5%少嘛對不對 |
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一定是這樣 是數學原理嘛你每一個單位都賣這超過百分之一五全部加起來十七萬對啦來 我要怎麼說你說到時間我告訴你我在二十幾年前我在地方政府服務的時候剛好我們地政機關跟戶政機關大量採用電腦所以原來傳統的篡寫人力啊就沒需要了嘛你知道這段歷史嗎好 現在你就要開始準備啊當AI跟科技可以來協助政府的文書處理跟輔佐人力的時候 |
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主席 |
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有些單位已經採用了這些科技已經降級到樓頂嘛對不對那當然進一步就可以減少人力嘛那這個節省出來的人力卻挪到其他新的部門嘛是不是這樣 |
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目前你認為因應業務的狀況調整性是在改變政府的業務用AI來增加政府的效能有沒有可能? |
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委員報告啦因為齁 |
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檢察官助理他可以扮演的角色跟檢察司務官我知你不要講檢察官 檢察官助理你有機器沒有啦檢察官多年助理來打戰你支持嗎 |
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我 我說真的我不支持哇 你不支持嚇我一跳捏 我想說你願意支持 因為不支持什麼原因 來我們看看是不是這個原因你認為你不支持的原因是什麼我希望這些人力是補充檢查事務官你希望是做檢查事務官 所以你認為你要報 用的是報檢查事務官 不要去報檢查官助理檢查官助理跟檢查事務官 一個是公務人力 一個是閱評部人力 對不對 |
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公務人力編制 |
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檢註是什麼?是閱兵部人力喔?不是,我跟委員報告喔檢查事務官他可以實施搜索、扣押他可以做的事情比較多請問告訴人、告發人還有研擬、調查計畫檢查官處理我聽懂了因為如果是公務編制人力他可以執行公務人員的職權但是如果檢註呢他只能做一些文書處理協助輔佐工作對不對? |
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委員會主席 |
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就是說有沒有可能用AI來處理檢疫的文書事務就是原來檢察官他們覺得要檢註做的事情鼓勵他們用AI或科技來解決然後你擴增他的檢察事務官的緣額讓他檢察官有真正可以協助他執行公權力的公務人力你覺得這是你的想法嗎 |
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我委員報告這個分兩個階段來的,你會一群人直接跳到AI來辦?沒有啦,我不說一群啦,你來給我看現在運用AI來處理檢疫文書事務,來你看一下兩個司法院的新聞稿他就說了目前酒駕跟詐騙他的檢疫判決,他們基本上就是用AI處理的然後輸出一個判決書的檢疫的主文之後 |
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法官在看內容有沒有調整 因為檢疫判決嘛 檢疫判決為什麼可以檢疫判決 交通事務也要檢疫判決啊 為什麼交通事務要檢疫判決要交通裁決所 因為量很大嘛 適用的樣態又單純嘛 很快就處理完了 如果司法院可以用檢疫判決用AI來降低他們這些核心能力的 |
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負擔那你認為檢察官目前在打擊犯罪包括的起訴文書有沒有可能也可以參照這個方式有沒有可能就好了有沒有可能 |
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現在已經有有少數幾個地檢署就按照這樣那你支持嗎那現在就在這裡了我們看那麼你認為在擴增檢察官助理的緣和同時或者說按照你的意思不是檢察官助理因為檢察官助理只能做輔佐他是約聘人力如果是檢察事務官多一點透過考試禁用他可以協助檢察官執行公權力的話 |
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那再增加這個不管是哪一種你是不是同時要去檢討全國目前各級機關他運用業務人力的分布及運用狀況需不需要需要需要好那好那就很簡單那結論就兩個第一請應檢討目前各級政府的業務人員分布及運用狀況可以嗎 |
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我們接下來請吳士耀委員發言 |
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謝謝主席人事長：我們所有人事總處的同仁大家早安大家辛苦了人事長你好我們都是台南鄉親人親土親我是司法及法制委員會蔡佳娃事由在這次如果有什麼不正確的地方歡迎您隨時指正我絕對不會說你在藐視國會我想我們質詢是平起平坐大家來做一個正向的政策之間的辯論 |
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這是一個健康的、歡迎應當的態度所以今天我要就教於您照顧好公務員是您很重要的這個人事總處的責任那我要跟您拋出我過去在教育文化委員會我長期投入的心理諮商的機制跟心理架這一個新的概念在中華民國的公務體系能不能夠更進一步的獲得實現下一頁 |
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當然我們民進黨這屆我們對於公務員的調薪是漲幅是15年來最高不論在漲幅或者是在調薪的次數蔡英文總統都做得比馬英九總統更加用心也不過我們替我們的公務人員在進出更加好的福利計劃 |
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我們的辭職率這是我整理出來的最新的數字到2022我們的辭職率是一年一年的攀升從2019 1994人到2022已經來到2496人將近到2500這起辭職率就是我的這個所謂的鐵飯碗我都不要了 |
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那當然我們人事總處有針對辭職原因做一些調研：我認為我們現有對於公務同仁的辭職原因我們做的那樣的一個調查分析實在是非常的rough |
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譬如說這是你們2022做的調查好,百分之八十八是個人因素離開百分之四點一七工作不適應管理的不當二點一二待遇福利覺得不夠好的是一點六所以這是一個 |
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認為公務體系待遇福利不好而離開的人只有1.6%代表也驗證我們這幾年照顧公務人員是有留人也留心這是一個好的政策工具盡可能滿足大家在待遇上的需求那當然有人是個人的職癌發展1.12%他選擇離開了公務體系我在這裡我直接拋出來就是預防我們的辭職 |
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這部份來 |
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非常謝謝委員的這個意見,事實上我們也非常關注這個議題因為這個資料庫的維護是在全序部,我們過去有跟他溝通幾次他那個辭職原因,有時那個寫的理由太冷了,要寫得比較柔和要寫得比較柔和,我要統計分析才能夠比較明確,不常常說 |
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強化跟全序部這裡的溝通好不好有利於我們未來來做很多的強化優化對因為我們很多分析來自於這個顆粒業系我們分析的業精準 |
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那下一頁就是自殺數這是非常遺憾十一年來我們的公務員自殺案件都是雙位數包括2023年有22位公務人員選擇親生而離開新聞非常多包括前幾天在總統府前的憲兵他也自殘了 |
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雖然憲兵不是我們公務體系您這裡掌管但都呈現了我們的心理健康機制不要漏接每一個生命這個東西是我今天要跟您討論一個很重要的一個issue |
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人總在有一個員工協助方案你應該是一個上位的guideline然後讓各部會去執行對不對那我看到的問題是我們依行政院所屬及地方機關的這個協助方案裡頭提供心理諮商啦身心健康座談啦保健醫療資訊啦還有健康評量檢測健康促進活動等等這個guideline |
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實在有夠guideline你沒有管考沒有細緻到去follow各個部會誰做得好誰做得不夠我來分享我教育部門的做法好嗎下一頁教育部有很好的經驗比如說2021年教育部就依據你的這個Guideline |
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去成立了教師諮商輔導支持中心這個跟師大合作的可以有效來協助我們第一線的教育人員專業諮詢、個別諮詢、團體諮詢或是心理危機的介入方方面面都很努力去做下一個 |
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所以藉經教育部的這個制度也是私謠長期來協力的我們甚至修了教師法33條就明定了教育部應當本於照顧教職員工建立教師諮詢諮商的輔導支持體系我們在法規面有法源組織面就成立了我剛剛說的專責單位2021年成立的 |
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在預算面呢,我們甚至加碼去針對第一線的教職老師們從原先教育部每年補助地方政府650萬,現在一年提高到6000萬。所以我被群聽這次有報的製度就是說,同樣一個概念,有的部會很認真去做。當然教育部看到很多老師他承受的這個教學現場的教學壓力。 |
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但是各個部會的同仁們我相信坐在後面的同仁們每天如果就安排到你們到立法院你們今天應該都很不露因為不知道你們承受什麼樣的心理壓力但是我希望你們看到司堯姊姊的時候是可以開心一點我們是可以非常理性的對話我一定是替公務同仁來爭取大家必要的合理的各項支持好 下一頁看完教育我們來看司法院週一我才就叫過司法院的秘書長 |
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司法人員他的這個高壓也絕對是大家可以想像的他要承受很多審判當中生離死別判人重判人輕那個永遠在糾葛人都是感情做的都是肉做的都是血溶成的 |
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司法院也看到體恤他所有的司法人員的工作壓力所以推出司法院的心理健康關懷方案2019上路到現在每年有729人次去使用這樣一個心理健康方案而且他非常優渥跟人事長報告每人每次補助2500元可以去做心理諮商一年可以到8次 |
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這是司法院在照顧司法人員的心理健康好再下一頁那這個是蔡總統的五大心理健康方案 |
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這已經是溢出於我們公務體系之外是全民我們針對了15到30歲的青年族群每年給三次的心理諮商每次1600然後一年三次這個預算一直加碼因為我們it's good newsbut also bad news好消息是很多人供不應求來來申請這個機會但bad news就是我們真的真真切切看到很多年輕世代他需要心理諮商的幫忙 |
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這是國家在做的事情照顧年輕人剛剛教育部照顧老師司法院照顧司法人員下一頁這是我擔任委員這麼多年我非常有成就感的一個政策的協力跟催生我成功的協助倡議各個大學具有心理價這樣一個新的價別從我第一次兩年前2022年站上質詢台質詢所有 |
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公立大學包括技職校院的校長們那個時候只有兩個學校有行李架就是實踐大學跟中山大學 |
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一年多到現在已經有43所大學設立了心理健康假而心理假不是只讓學生放假而已他是可以讓這個三級處遇的機制可以接住誰請心理假就知道這個可能最近失戀囉這個可能最近爸媽吵架學校要介入一下讓這個三級的心腹制度能夠有預警 |
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這是心理假最正向的意義所以43所大學上路了現在各大學都持續在推動它成為一個校園的運動照顧心理健康關懷你身邊的每一個人心靈生病跟身體生病是一樣要等同關切的而且它有連帶關係好 老幾樣然後我們進一步教育部現在最新的制度是現在開始3月開始高中職也開始來做心理假 |
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所以我做了這麼多分享您當知道我想要請你們回去研議的就是下一頁現在公務人員的各式價別有這麼多當然市價、病價、婚價、產前價、商價、流產價、家庭照顧價包括女性的生理價 |
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2013年我們也是一步一步去爭取到女性不要對我的流血來逼我上班我們經痛的時候那是愛被救護很痛苦所以生理假是一個進步的我們2013年上路了甚至2014年我們完成了配套的修法那next 生理假來 人事長下一頁曾經有立委提過我自己也會提案 |
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市長,您覺得如何? |
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主席 |
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7184.413 |
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7192.862 |
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我們可以清白鋼 有水鋼 還有火鋼 那個鋼我們會稍微去盤一下 看有 如果真的沒夠 |
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還有生理及輸給的施展我覺得我們會用比較開放的方式來討論我希望你們趕快啟動研議我自己也會提案那我們用生理假的方式來 |
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公務員服務法 |
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這是不對的觀念不好意思我是拿了委員的提案但是我是分享這個案例是說也有委員思考到這件事所以我是很認真的我覺得心理健康台灣人都很必須的我們會關心你今天感冒了有沒有看醫生有沒有吃藥但是我們總是另於給身旁的人一個很正向的心理的關懷那心理價真的不是給大家另外一個價別 |
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委員報告：心理上我們會跟專屬部來演出因為 |
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主席 |
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7320.28 |
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我希望我們都跟上蔡英文總統全民一起來促進心理健康這樣一個對的政策健康起來當然我也很期待我們國會也要健康起來 |
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希望大家未來來備詢面對理性專業的立法委員大家心情是愉悅的也希望事要的質詢可以換得大家的一抹微笑好不好我持續為大家發聲一起加油謝謝好謝謝委員好謝謝那我們接下來請林思明委員發言好謝謝主席人事長今天也先關心消防員的問題來我們看一下這個圖 |
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7372.37 |
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全國消防機關原額統計及服務人口比 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].start |
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內政部消防署本身預算顏額512人,現有489人,預算缺額23人。臺北市政府預算缺額59人,新北市政府232人,桃園市136人,台中市118人,台南市224人,高雄市政府52人 |
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普遍預算缺額超過很多服務人口比6都1比1300以上新北市政府1比1662台南市政府1比1581高雄市政府1比1756 |
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我自己居住的新竹縣市新竹市是1比1467新竹縣市1比1366都超過非常的多這個服務比超過那麼多對照國外的國家我們鄰近的國家新加坡是1比925日本的東京是1比731 |
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美國兩城市紐約1比519芝加哥1比547 |
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所以我們看我們的消防人力的配置還有我們的服務人數一個消防員的服務的人數比都超過這個我們鄰近的不管新加坡還有日本東京那跟這個美國來比也是差距非常的大所以我們的消防員可以說是很辛苦的所以才會普遍造成說我們的消防人員工時超時工作的情形就很普遍所以我是想問那個那個人事長 |
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7504.234 |
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針對這種人員編制我剛才是沒提到你原來的人這個編制的緣額現在跟你說預算緣額如果說是以實際的編制緣額來比較的話那差距更大了所以我想這種狀態對於這種消防人員或者對我們一般民眾來講這麼大的一個一個消防人員要面對服務的人口這麼大的一個狀態 |
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這不是好事啦,大家都很辛苦的,所以這種情況之下,我們未來要如何的把這個我們消防人員的不管是我們的員額的一個增加,還有服務人口比如何來降低,總長這邊你們有沒有什麼樣的一個政策? |
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7551.872 |
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7571.259 |
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謝謝委員這個議題那首先我要說明一下消防人力不足的問題現在主要是集中在地方剛才那個 六都查很多 六都查很多而且有一個消防人員他的言語不受地方行政機關組織準則其實地方政協主要的原因就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].start |
7575.38 |
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7599.602 |
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剋到的人不多他剋到考上了以後他要經過1到2年的訓練所以我們最近在協助消防署去從他南投那裡有一個消防訓練中心去增加他的訓練量能當他的訓練量能多的時候有更多的消防員可以去那裡訓練可以快速的彌補像最近這5年 |
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7600.703 |
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7621.037 |
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他們我提供給地方政府的他的增援已經到3100位的他們的目標在117年的時候人均服務比大概會從1比1300降到1比1100那這個過程中現在的瓶頸在哪裡瓶頸就是他的訓練的期間等而靠進來的 |
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7625.78 |
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上一年我們為了這個問題我們有去拜會幾個機關結果發現有一個問題考錄取率不是很理想所以為了這件事情我們也去協商考試院在考科方面各方面是不是可以有精進的地方因為你如果要訓練的量能不足就對了 |
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7651.445 |
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7654.366 |
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所以我剛才跟委員報告的我們就是從兩個路徑來嘛第一個讓入企率 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].start |
7681.013 |
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7683.035 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
昨年我們的4等消防警察員員需求人數很多你知道嗎 |
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| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
7713.763 |
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955人人員需求報上來是955人錄取人數只有351人除除缺了604人去年為什麼錄取人數不足而錄取的比例會那麼大 |
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7739.605 |
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7742.547 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
專業科目平均沒有達到入企標準所以刷掉很多人 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].start |
7754.299 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
7780.633 |
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阿這個我們就是因為這件事情所以我們已經有去跟考選部反映這樣的情況因為他那個專業分數的門檻你沒過你就沒辦法錄處嘛這是第一關嘛你錄取了以後第二關就要到訓練中心嘛那訓練中心我們希望說還是每年都這樣因為這個專業科目考不過上一年這個問題比較嚴重是所以你未來你要怎麼跟考試員來溝通 |
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7784.424 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
公務員特種考試一般警察考試規則 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].start |
7801.064 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
7807.109 |
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113年考試院提報考試院主管機關審議納入未來在招訊部分持續擴大到1000名消防人員你如何跟考試院溝通? |
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7825.353 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
7828.555 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
專業科目一直卡在那邊因為考試很難講阿現在已經有跟考選部溝通過了大概有一個共識大概從考試端去處理專業科目的問題阿不然你都就是 |
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7847.115 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
委員會主席 |
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| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
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考選部已經有同意我們的一個建議方向他們現在會去做這個方面的努力甚至我跟委員報告我們也有提出來今年是不是結構一次 |
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市長我想這個部份真的要加油 |
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現在關於資安的問題人事總署跟數位發展部合作辦理資安長的共事營各級政府單位目前總共設立了幾位資安長我們各級政府單位都有資安長的設立 |
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二級、三級機關每一個機關都會由副首長或主任秘書擔任治安長所以副首長跟主秘?主秘跟副首長他們有沒有治安的專才? |
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委員你這個問題說真的那是沒什麼可能大家都有治安的專才可是他就是他有一個專責的副首長他去主責整個機關的一個治安業務啦 |
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他本身就沒有具有資訊或資安的專業可是他的同仁有資安專業啊要怎麼領導他底下一定會有資安專業的同仁去協助他所以要了解他本身不具有我現在要請教你這個問題我們一直好奇奇怪啊 資安長不管怎麼樣也要有對資安是有一定的專業你現在就內部由我們的副首長祖密來兼任 |
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委員會主席 |
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我跟委員報告最近政府有培養很多資安長可是都被民間尤其金融單位還有高科技公司都挖走挖走去當他們的資安長所以我們現在就希望說既然他的名稱叫資安長他本身對於我們的資訊安全這部分他要有一定相關的專業知識否則你這個外行領導內行這是要怎麼領導 |
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這問題是不是要改革?我答應委員我會把這個信息跟數位部來傳達因為資安現在資安最重要現在資安是我們現在政府單位最重要的一個職責現在網路攻擊無所不能無所不在所以我們政府的重要資料如何來加以保護這部分要加強了謝謝 |
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8094.365 |
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8094.645 |
| transcript.whisperx[274].text |
吳宗憲委員發言 |
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人事長我這邊有先延續早上謝鴻介委員還有星期一我們傅坤祺總召他所提到的有關檢察官助理的部分 |
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其實我們現在對這個部分我們有一個疑問就是說因為檢查事務官的員額沒有補滿我想應該是這樣嗎?沒有錯嗎?就剛剛那個謝鴻介委員他也有提到這個員額這麼多沒有補滿你們有沒有去弄清楚原因是什麼? |
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因為他每一年他的容訓量因為場地的問題那後來這件事情我們有跟法務部反映是不是可以改變找另外一個場地比較大的就是訓練量能大一點因為檢視官他的訓練要9個月你原來的那一個訓練的場地大概90個人我覺得他我們現在還有169位的檢視官還沒有補齊 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].start |
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這個投影片其實現在檢察官的工作量太重我想那個人事長應該知道嘛 對不對 |
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因為我自己在這個工作擔任檢察官20年我很清楚問題是出在什麼地方除了剛剛所說的檢察事務官的缺額這麼多是因為訓練的問題之外你們有沒有想過他的離職率也很高你們想過這個問題 |
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你有沒有去研究過原因或是你去詢問法務部原因是什麼好吧那我在這邊我簡單的說啦早上謝榮介委員他有提到一個月八萬多的薪水為什麼還缺額這麼多那我想跟你們說一下就是現行制度對於檢查事務官而言是一點尊嚴都沒有 |
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8254.075 |
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8260.2 |
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一個月領4萬跟一個月領8萬房子一樣都買不起啦而且現在人現在那個退休制度 |
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你說這樣的薪水對他們誘因會很高其實不容易因為檢視官很難考他們很多都同時都有律師資格他們在外面人家聘他都是高薪你怎麼留得住這些人你們有沒有想過除了他八萬多的月薪之外你們有沒有讓制度上面能夠讓他更有尊嚴 |
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8301.807 |
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你們知不知道現在的檢視官其實他的升遷是有問題的雖然制度上面我們有設置主任檢察事務官有設置檢認缺但是據我所知到目前為止都還沒有人升任到這個位置 |
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那檢視官的這個制度應該有20年了吧我印象中應該有那20年之下為什麼還是這樣做那你們有沒有去跟法務部去溝通是不是制度上面發生了什麼問題讓我們留不住檢查事務官我想這個很重要把這應該跟跟貴處也有一點關聯性嗎對那這個你們有沒有去研究過 |
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| transcript.whisperx[285].end |
8332.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[285].text |
法定人數不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
8346.782 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].text |
委員會主席 |
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8386.093 |
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這兩個東西不是說對錯啦但是你們要不要先去釐清這個問題啊檢視官為什麼缺額這麼高先把問題把它解決嘛那像日本他有一個制度譬如說副檢察官的制度 |
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| transcript.whisperx[288].text |
那讓檢察事務官他有機會是不是有一個可能性將來轉任副檢察官像現在是有檢察事務官他在有律師資格之後他是有可能轉任檢察官那但是這樣子是不是我們可以另外一個制度將來我們朝向修法去模仿日本的這個制度方向去思考你要讓檢事官有這個升遷 |
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在人事上面有這個升遷的誘因在那裡你才有辦法留住他不然這些人時間到了他們幾乎也都考得上律師的他就出去外面高薪別人騙走人力就不見這些最強悍的戰力就都走光這個部分我想說 |
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麻煩你們思考一下因為主任檢察事務官他有的是檢認缺目前的設置又沒有一個年限會不會有可能會造成像關戶人那樣子 |
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| transcript.whisperx[291].text |
主席 |
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8467.063 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].text |
副檢察官 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].start |
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委員提出的 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[294].end |
8527.948 |
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徵典我覺得非常棒,我們會跟法務部來討論看看,有兩個議題,一個就是檢察事務官他的流失率,到底他跑去是有歷史資格,他去做歷史,還是跑去做法官,那會有幾個路徑,先去了解原因,我們會去跟法務部 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].start |
8528.288 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].end |
8556.603 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
那至於說要偵測副檢察官的部分大概也陳副委員你提到的大概要做一些相關法律的一個修正這個幅度那麼大但是我覺得也是可以思考我們再跟法務部來討論看看就是麻煩你們多面向的思考不是說只有增加檢察官助理才能解決問題我跟你講以現行的制度這樣走下去你再多增加幾倍都沒有用 |
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8557.623 |
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| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
委員會主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].start |
8580.293 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].end |
8582.555 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].text |
有關這次勞動節放假的部分我想說外面勞工的部分也反彈蠻大的 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[298].end |
8610.897 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].text |
有關這個部分你們在評估的過程中有遇到哪些爭議或阻礙? |
| transcript.whisperx[299].start |
8612.537 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].end |
8641.629 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].text |
我跟委員報告齁因為他的源頭會在內政部所主管的紀念日期節日辦法裡面要去啊要去解開這樣源頭壓啦啊那內政部應該最近會找我們跟教育部還有國防部一帶來一起去開會然後會把每一個部會的意見大家會提一些正面的或者有一些疑慮的部分那內政部會中整會簽到行政院 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].start |
8642.129 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].end |
8667.323 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].text |
那基本上我們會在那個場合把我們看到的我們的一些意見在那個場域來反映我想說昨天就是前兩天院長他確實好像是持一個比較贊同的態度嘛對對對那這個部分可能也要請你們嚴厲一下但是你們也不要忽略了這個從勞工方面來的我覺得那個是溝通啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].start |
8668.343 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].end |
8668.784 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].text |
邀請行政院人事長 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].start |
8685.585 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].end |
8701.482 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].text |
有一個狀況就是父母放假結果小孩子要去學校這個搭不上去也有一些現實上面造成很多父母的困擾這個再麻煩你們能夠增加溝通的能力多去跟這些勞工團體溝通一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[303].end |
8731.296 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].text |
當然院長這樣子我覺得也是蠻認同這次院長的說法但是你們可能要再多努力一下最後我想跟你們提一個東西就是有關男女比例在公務員體系裡面目前公務員的男女比例他大概是男生是60.86%女生是39.14%但是到檢任官的時候 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].start |
8734.649 |
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8756.854 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
檢任官的時候差距變大了男生檢任官的人數遠高於女性檢任官這一塊是不是也要麻煩人事長能夠多了解一下這個狀況或是將來有沒有辦法去改善讓這個比例能夠拉近或是看你有什麼高見 |
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| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
8769.657 |
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我我我這裡提供一個數據資料給委員參考吼那在111年的時候啊代表性係數你信大概就是0.85那112年的時候是0.86那事實上 |
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8775.634 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
8804.894 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
這個一個檢任官的一個演化事實上是以前男性的公務員比較多那像我了解的像我們人總啦還有主計總處還有國稅局大概七成都是女性同仁所以他裡面的檢任的比例就不一樣所以有時候就會因為機關的性質有些是工程單位工程單位還是以女男性為主所以他的檢任會比較多可是現在我們在觀察考上的女性的同仁會比較多 |
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| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
8805.394 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
總人數兩個的比例跟 |
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8835.523 |
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8844.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].text |
總人數的時候的男女比例跟檢任官的時候男女的比例還是有一個落差那我想說我們還是要落實這個男女平權好 謝謝人事長謝謝 |
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8861.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].end |
8863.881 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].text |
副坤祺委員發言人事總書司法及法制委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].start |
8883.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].end |
8904.287 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].text |
今天兩天我非常敬佩,時間可以開始走了。前兩天看到人事長跟您一起溝通,心裡非常開心。我不曉得人事長還是我們花蓮通。 |
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8906.671 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].end |
8933.312 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
在秀林鄉大同大理部落這兩個部落是無水無電所以要上山至少要五六個小時體力不好要走七八個小時結果人事長去過四趟我們在這裡真的要代表花蓮來表揚一下人事長因為沒有光害看到天上的星星幾乎手上可以把它摘下來真的是非常漂亮 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].start |
8936.037 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].end |
8950.176 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].text |
花蓮很多的秘境你都去過我覺得人事長可以在公務人員在國民旅遊的時候可以多推薦一下花蓮有很多景點你都去過 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].start |
8951.647 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[313].text |
法定人數不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].start |
8977.299 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
8980.001 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
我希望說人事長可以帶著大家好有空都要多到美麗而且人間淨土的花蓮多來走走 |
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| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
9033.426 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].text |
另外就是本集看了這個人事長的相關的資料也是算臺灣第二代的民共38年以後第二代的我們的菁英所以我要特別跟人事長來討論分享一下臺灣這75年來所有的這些不管是經濟奇蹟也好這前面的60年經濟奇蹟亞洲的小龍等等龍頭等等 |
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9035.663 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
9057.653 |
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都是台灣第一代的這些精英把它創造出來的而第一代的精英那個時候我記得我還是在讀小學中學的時候啊甚至讀高中的時候那個時候台灣第一流的人才啊第一流的人才都願意啊到政府部門來工作 |
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| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
9083.669 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
那時候大家講叫鐵飯碗嘛最安全也不會有任何的挑戰而且這些所謂書生型的人都很喜歡到國家的政府來工作那個時候我記得大家要嫁那女孩子要嫁 嫁公務員最好最安全那個時候還是4個剛剛好生小孩要生4個 |
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9085.785 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
9114.341 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
那個年代在軍公教的家庭裡是很有光榮感的所以當一流的人才都進政府的時候這個國家一定會很強大而且能夠迅速的來發展所以對於這個所謂的年改讓這些人讓我們的中央政府竟然背棄信賴保護原則這是聯合國的兩公約這最基本的信賴保護原則 |
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9115.518 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].end |
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然後呢造成這麼多人啊這個當他的一生青春都付給國家以後啊為人民做完事情啊到了60幾歲啊現在啊這過得很這個叫沒有辦法過那種上流中流的生活甚至啊惶惶不可終日啊而且物價又高漲所以對年改這個事情這個人事長請教一下你覺得這個正當性足不足 |
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我跟委員報告事實上整個年改一個過程他有思考到世代公平的問題因為也要考慮到年輕世代他未來如果是在公部門服務那這些貸付基金是不是以國家的財政他的投資報酬率好幾個面向是不是所以 |
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政府做這樣一個決定事實上也是有考慮到這個基金的一個永續那個是不得不的一個做法我想很多事情大概大家都要有一種包容我想人事長你很客氣啦但是本席還是要強調年改這個立法我們一定會修第一個國家不能對人民有私信 |
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你可以考慮到基金的問題可以在某年某月某日定定以後用心智你要來當公務員你要想清楚用心智來走就職的部分政府必須要維護這些人跟政府的契約這最基本國家的誠信沒有國家的誠信就沒有其他的這個社會的價值跟穩定這個社會存在就是一個信任 |
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國家之所以能夠領導也就是人民的信任所以當國家的信任崩潰的時候沒有信賴基礎的時候這個社會啊秩序會蕩然無存這個部分我想人事長未來我們在修法的時候啊也請您人事總統不要過多的抗拒那另外就是基金的部分啊你們應該跟考試院去協商啊為什麼有些基金他做得很好有些基金他又做得不行 |
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但是永遠政府的基金它的效能跟民間的基金又差很多落差又很大民間在賺錢政府的基金在賠錢當然政府的基金如果一天到晚都是政治任務在護盤的話永遠它屬於被犧牲的而它被犧牲的原因竟然是拿這些退休公務人員的退休準備金去做國家任務 |
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這是很荒唐的一件事情非常荒唐的一件事情政府操作不良然後要規則於讓你們沒有辦法安養終老這是完全風馬牛不相及另外就是現在我們尤其在偏遠地區對於整個社區安全對大家生活能夠照應 |
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在這個消防人員消防人員能不能組工會的這個問題有沒有協商權的這個問題我想在這個會期或是今年一定會提出相關的這些辦法也請啊這個人事長針對本期今天提出的這個質詢的部分能夠給我一些回應用書面也可以沒有關係我先講一下當然歐美國家的消防員都有組工會 |
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美國、加拿大、法國、五眼聯盟等等但重點就是說現在連韓國也有它固然沒有罷工權但是可以協商日本不能組工會但是它的協會也有協商權 |
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在全國這麼多縣市裡面 |
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邀請行政院人事長 |
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對於限職的這些公務人員的調薪在去年在去年6月1號行政院宣布調漲這個軍公教人員薪水4%當然是隨著消費者物價指數累積成長成長率達到增幅5%應該予以調整而且4年監討一次但是為什麼退休人員要拖到今年的2月29號 |
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前後差了9個多月這對退休人員情何以堪他們已經被砍得這麼慘了然後在討論的時候又要延宕我覺得這個步調應該是一致的本身認為這應該是一致的而且必須要用它法制化 |
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我們請下一位 |
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我們臨時提案時間到了我們現在處理臨時提案我們現在處理臨時提案臨時提案總共是兩案嗎?有兩案,但原本提出的第二案第二案測案就不予處理 |
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請宣讀臨時提案 |
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臨時提案一現行軍公教待遇分別有軍人待遇條例公務人員奉集法教師待遇條例等規定然而有關軍公教待遇制調整機制迄今尚無法律或法律明確授權之具體規範為健全軍公教員工待遇調整機制盡請行政院人事行政總處針對軍公教調新機制法制化進行嚴密並將規劃結果於兩個月內送交司法及法制委員會 |
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提案委員．黃國昌﹑吳宗憲﹑傅坤祺﹑温小玲﹑林思明﹑羅志強﹑謝龍介 |
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民事提案三 請人事行政總處一﹐評估檢討全國目前約聘僱人力分布及運用狀況﹐並於三個月內提出書面報告二﹐評估因應業務狀況﹐調整及時代改變﹐部分業務運用深層是人工智慧AI提升效能﹐可行性﹐並於三個月內提供書面報告提案委員﹐鍾嘉斌﹐莊瑞雄﹐黃國昌﹐宣讀完畢 |
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好 謝謝那我們就臨時提案的第一案請提案委員補充說明謝謝主席我想軍公教薪資調整機制的法制化已經是長久以來應該要做而沒有做的事情那甚至在監察院裡面的調查報告都明確的指出來那本院 |
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法制局的同仁非常的優秀,已做了好幾個調查報告,也都明確的點出這項缺失。他所造成的問題的層面其實還蠻多的,因為台灣已經進入了民主不法制的社會,如果公務員挑釁這件事情還是上頭說了就算,我相信也不是人事長決定,是比你更高的人。 |
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在決定到底要不要調調多少基層的公務員教師也沒有代表在裡面我相信台灣做個法治國家這種涉及到人民基本權利重大給付行政的事情還是要有法律授權的依據 |
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那為了利用提案的時間我特別感謝我們的昭緯吳宗憲還有中國公民黨黨團的總召傅坤祺以及翁曉琳、林思敏、羅志強還有謝榮介委員能夠對提案與一定的支持謝謝那我們請詢問機關有沒有意見要提出這裡是不是可以建請同意將規劃結果由兩個月改三個月 |
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我今天質詢的時候我還沒有講之前的 |
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人事長他2016年來這邊做業務報告的時候他的業務報告書裡面就有這一條我沒騙你你回去翻兩個月夠了啦 真的 |
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主席還有那個民主黨黃總召其實我是覺得一般我們的書面提案一般都是三個月啦我提案後請提書面報告我的第二案也是這樣那我是覺得評估起來今年有國會改革這麼重大的案子應該研會的可能性很高啦看看黃總召是不是考慮如果三個月能夠提得更完整不妨考慮一下啦可以建議一下 |
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沒有啦 那個 中委員我很尊敬你啦所以你剛所以你剛提案我也來簽啦雖然民進黨對外放話說台灣民眾黨的提案你們都不簽你剛拿來我還是就簽了因為我覺得提書面報告處理AI的問題這件事情有必要嘛我們向來就是論事那我也就是論事第一個雖然我認為研會的機會很高但 |
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這是一個不確定的事情第二個我也講白的研會的目的也不是為了在等他的報告研會的目的是我們有更重要的事情要做啦所以我是不是可以建請總委員可以尊重提案委員跟這麼多委員一起連署就兩個月請他們把報告交出來這樣我稍微報告啦就是將規劃結果兩個月內提書面報告送交司法及法制委員會 |
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提書面報告不好意思我剛沒有提到就是說其他共同提案人有沒有要還有問題要請好那兩個月沒有問題那就確定兩個月那就兩個月內要提書面報告 |
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主席 |
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補充說明 |
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主席 各位委員 人事長 還有我們人事行政總處的各位官員 辛苦了 |
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這個有關這個退休軍公教人員當然相關的這些條例都有規定這個達到怎麼樣的作用我們的主計總處的一些資料之後然後達到怎麼樣的一個條件都有規定嗎?倫市長都有規定當然這個本來 |
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這個這條條文阿你們沒有好好的運用另外一這條同一條條文阿也有授權行政部門不一定要按照那個什麼前面的那個條件要不要念那個請同仁念一下條文好沒關係好那這個去年齁 |
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去年1月行政院有宣布要配合調4%然後在我本席自己也在2月7號我也召開了這個協調會邀請了這個行政院人事行政總處前序部主計總處來召開這個協調會 |
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委員會委員會委員會 |
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這個行政院的包括其實包包包軍嘛公教軍公教軍公教警消嗎所以那次的宴會你們沒有去啊那次的宴會 |
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這個考試院議員會通過了要調高4%那什麼時候可以發佈正式發佈大概我們現在雙方會選我們行政院部分已經把經跟教2月29號送考試院那考試院已經在3月1號把公務人員送過來大概應該3月上旬最慢的3月中旬就可以 |
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法定人數不足 |
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韓國瑜 |
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一法現在的法過去的新修的這些法例也都應該重新重新檢討因為這個軍公教錦囂他的相關的這些重要性我就不必再多說了這是一個部分另外就是我們 |
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原住民主委員會負責原住民保留地業務的要謝謝人事長都已經同意他們的專業佳績地政的專業佳績那現在就是地方政府的部分因為不是只有中央原民會要負責這個業務這個還是要從鄉鎮對 |
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我不是只有執行委員 地政家計也不是只有那個我說也不是只有中央的這個內政部的地政司包括縣政府的地政單位鄉鎮公所那原住民保留地也是一樣中央的延命會竟然已經賦予給這個地政專業家計所以這個縣政府的部分 |
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這個部分有討論過目前進度怎麼樣我這裡跟委員報告一下大概地方政府他辦理原住民保留地的這一些同仁他也比照地政人員專業家籍表有表意調味表期已經確定了嗎確定了航班了嗎什麼時候航班的 |
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沒有地方政府呢地方政府沒有報上 |
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這個地方政府沒有報上來這件事情我們在我先找臺東縣政府去了解一下那委員臺東跟花蓮一起主要因為目前原住民本來的業務最多的就是臺東跟花蓮好不好所以這個部分要去積極的好沒問題不要說中央有啊這個地方沒有地方更辛苦啊好不好好啊就先這樣好謝謝 |
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主席好 人事長好我想最低工資法去年三讀已經通過了中央主管機關要設最低工資審議會每年第三季召開會議最低工資可以參照消費者物價指數年增率來調整幅度 |
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勞工及僱主議定的工資不可以低於最低工資違反者最重可處僱主或事業單位新台幣150萬元所以勞工最低工資審議制度已經正式法制化但是我發現我們的軍公教條新的法制化倡議多年一直都還是樓梯上徘徊 |
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那軍公教部門的調薪就變成好像是政府恩賜恩賞一樣那每次調薪都要吵架一次那就分兩派一派就說為什麼憑什麼軍公教要調薪一派就說這政府的德政 |
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可是事實上你就以最低工資法的這種那個審議的機制來看你隨著物價的調漲其實軍公教生活當然應該要受到這個所謂的按照經濟環境變化的一個保障阿那為什麼會變成是所謂的那個政府而且這已經討論非常多年所以在這邊能不能所以我們剛剛有臨時提案啦可是我也要問一下我們的人事長 |
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你會告訴我們到底什麼時候可以法制化那不能說每次都是研議研議報告再報告那請問人事長你覺得什麼時候可以完成法制化今年可以完成嗎還是這個會期就能完成謝謝委員這個意見因為剛才臨時提案也要求我們兩個月要把書面報告提出來那這件事情我們會積極我問你什麼時候可以完成法制化你預估啦 |
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這個要看大院審議的進度了你期待什麼時候完成法制化我們如果能夠有合理的法制化內容的話我相信這一屆的立法院一定會全力的來促成 |
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因為我也不客氣的講我覺得過去立法院很多事情該推的改革該推的法案該推的一些修法事實上都沒有辦法照進入像這個就已經放了多少年的一個法案所以我希望說今天那個人事長你可以告訴我你覺得你們的期待是多久可以完成法治化 |
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我當然可以在年底以前年底以前感謝希望您朝這個目標我們會行行政院送到立法院好那就希望我們的這是我們的那個人事總處能夠確保 |
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不要在每年都是在炒要不要加薪今年開始就把法制化將來大家都可以按照規則來做那我想請教我們人事長的第二個問題是我不知道你有沒有關注前天管碧玲主委在內政委員會的備詢 |
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沒有 管主委他發給簡訊給這個LINE的訊息給高精素美委員上面寫海巡極為辛苦原住民同仁所佔比例在原住民部落區域的單位所佔比例也不低尤其暗巡部隊部分我有特別要求要注意在升遷上的把佐 |
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你認為管碧雲主委傳這樣的簡訊恰當嗎?報告委員因為沒有看到這個詳細的內容就比較我特別要求注意在升遷上的拔絕對原住民 |
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一個首長傳訊息給立法委員原住民的立委還特別跟你講我會特別注意來去所謂的拔卓原住民的身簽你不覺得這句話有問題嗎他是不是要跟高級數目委員交換什麼的感覺因為高級數目委員正在要安排專案報告來質詢管碧玲 |
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我要問那個人事長他為什麼要特別介入原住民的身分別來做身牽拔著的關注點這是一個正確人事拔著的一個角度嗎你做人事長做這麼久你會今天跟一個人拔著說我要決定拔著你因為你是男生 因為你是女生 因為你是原住民我會這樣說嗎 |
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你會不會這樣說報告委員我不會這樣講可是管主委他的講話謝謝你你剛剛就講你不會這樣講因為這就不適合嘛事實上我先講按照人事行政總處的報告113年1月底我們各機關實際經用原住民人數是707人那海巡是 |
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原住民現員771人 佔原額的6.4%然後警察機關佔7.5%國軍大概佔9.17%特種部隊更高 高達60%這是現在我們原住民在各機關的原額可是中華民國憲法第7條規範中華民國人民無分男女 種族 宗教 階級 黨派法律上一律平等 |
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管主委的發言你不覺得也違反我們憲法上一律平等的精神嗎你覺得如果說是你講這句話你要不要向全國原住民跟高精素美委員道歉你是高精素美委員你是原住民你不覺得這句話有羞辱到原住民跟原住民委員嗎你會不會覺得你被羞辱到我要跟委員報告一下我跟你講高精素美委員就絕對被羞辱到 |
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所以人事行政總處當然你管不了管必領可是我覺得在推廣這種所謂無歧視職業不分所謂的階級種族的無歧視的原則這個應該是人事行政總處你們要負責宣導的吧包括性平啊包括各種所謂的我們講人事上的你要排除一些所謂的歧視我希望能夠好好建立這樣一個文官的文化那接下來再請教我們的那個人事長 |
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人事行政總處工作上有一個很重要的就是厚實公務人力整體待遇制度提升軍公教員工待遇合理性然後要來增加整體的競爭力那我想請問教師是不是屬於犯公務體系的一份子是不是教師本來就是謝謝那能不能請人事長幫幫老師們 |
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108課綱上路初期就有很多教育產業工會也來找過我呼籲要增置高中教師員額以符合108課綱素養教學跟多元選修課程的教學需要因為我們108課綱其實因為要所謂追求多元還有包括素養教學其實賦予老師更多的一些負擔沒錯吧 對不對 |
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委員會主席 |
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可是如果你今天有這個空有這個目標你沒有相應的提升員額讓老師能夠有更大的精力專注在這些事情上那是不是適得其反?是不是適得其反? |
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這一個部分我的了解教育部都有在適當的給予研究當然教育部為主可是我希望我們人事行政總處能夠去提點一下提點一下就是說事實上你可以看到就是說我們現在因為這個問題我們現在的做法是全部推給代課老師 |
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可是上大賽老師跟那個原額就正聘的原額的教師還是不一樣的所以基本上你要增加更多的所謂教學目標給老師你就要給他更能夠符合的裝備跟資源不能說一直在增加老師希望他負擔更多更多但是你是某種程度你沒有配相對配置合適的所謂資源的時候你反而是降低老師在每一個 |
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領域上他的所能夠達到的品質那另外還有就是說我們剛剛都在講所謂物價的部分我們已經決定要調漲這個軍工教就是那個薪資百分之四嘛四個百分點可是調薪範圍有沒有南瓜教師終點費教師終點費他是屬於 |
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我直接跟你講我們教室沒有設加班費現行課都輔導跟重修補修是以420元到550元為基準可是事實上這樣的他有做一點調整但是對下限做調整他沒有對上限做調整 |
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那也有很多的教學的一個現場的工作人員跟我們反應就是說事實上很多他本來就是定上限啦在知己的所以調整下限不調上限實際的結果跟沒調整一樣沒錯吧 |
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因為大家很多都調整上限還有一點就是他們的要求希望就是既然終點有些是加班的終點的話應該按照勞工的加班費的計算基準來去評估甚至也是某種程度法制化按照物價來去調不要又是N幾式的去所謂的專案調整所謂的那個終點費這個也希望我們人事總處這邊能夠想辦法協調教育部一起來推動感謝您 |
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謝謝各位那我們現在休息5分鐘 |
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好我們現在繼續開會那接下來是請楊瓊英委員發言楊瓊英委員楊瓊英委員好那接下來我們請鄭正前委員發言鄭正前委員鄭正前委員鄭正前委員好那接下來我們請謝一鳳委員發言謝謝主席 |
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我想要請我們人事長 人事長你怎麼不講話 怎樣你怎麼發呆你知道說那個大家都在點價 你覺得你續願的機會大不大我不會去廟寶寶我不知道 要去廟裡寶寶才有可能會知道 |
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現在最熱大家今天都在討論就是勞動節要不要放假是不是這是你主責的嗎 |
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跟委員報告還有跟內政部嘛內政部是負責紀念日期節日方法他那個遊戲規則他那裡改他要改了以後我們去我剩下游啦他要上游不過內政部 |
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假如要去啟動五一勞動節金公交要放假的時候他會找國防部教育部跟我們一起去開會然後開完以後看大家的討論因為裡面有牽涉到404萬的學生66萬的公教同仁這樣假如那一天放假會有哪些的一個impact然後內政部會把這個牽到行政院到時候看行政院怎麼合適 |
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你也知道除了勞動節其實大家也有在討論過去去年度也在討論行限紀念日就是12月25號到不了放假那你坐這個位子也很久了是不是那到底哪一個還是快點去擲筊吧然後到底哪一天放假 |
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對於整個你也知道不管是行政機關也好相關的就是說你你也知道去年的那個年假太長嗎你也是被罵的很慘嗎是不是也惹出很多的那個大家到底你在評估這個時候到底是五一勞動節放假比較好還是行限節日其實國定假日不可能無限期的增加下去嗎是不是 |
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在這個情況下雖然說現在才剛在討論五一勞動節但是可能12月25號大家就開始討論那個行限紀念日以及行限紀念日剛好是恰巧就是外國的耶誕節 |
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那對於國家整體的經濟效益而言也許在這個時間放假好像有相關的產業以及商機那就你而言你當然是就公務員的所以就你而言這兩個放假有什麼差別 |
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委員報告一下齁因為大宴在民國89年的時候有一個附帶結議就是每一年的放假天數大概就為此115到116那事實上也就是因為有這樣的一個附帶結議所以這個也就是內政部他要去針對這樣的一個limitation去討論看看要如何去調整有些節日只有紀念不放假那些是要又紀念又放假 |
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會在那個會議裡面來討論事實上我們還是尊重整個內政部他全盤的不是我現在不是在問內政部我是說從你過去擔任人事長的這樣的經驗你認為對不對我就說啦現在大家在討論五一有可能就是行政見證日的時候大家也開始討論了12月25號要不要變成國定假日那如果這個時候呢 |
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你怎麼樣評估呢?你怎麼樣在跨部會議當中提供給行政院長相關的資訊? |
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現在我們就是一定是要去去recheck看看這個是有沒有法律規範的遊戲規則上限嘛我剛才有報告過了嘛假如因為大宴在89年的時候我知道這個你已經重複過了因為這個很重要因為當五一也放了然後在行驗期日就再放當然會超過這樣的上限怎麼樣取捨嗎現在就是取捨的問題 |
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沒有錯這個就是所謂的移動的概念本來是沒放假的移到有放假有放假的你就要去找有放假的移到只紀念不放假會有這移動的那這個就會在那一個會議裡面大家一起去交換意見因為一定是要去試算哪一種假放了以後他哪些Stakeholder他的一個衝擊 |
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一定會有些人獲得相對好的你不要把你內心的OS告訴大家你應該告訴我們說什麼樣的情況是最好的就是遵守法律規定是最好我當然是說遵守法律規定的情況下那如果只能二者一哪一個是比較好的 |
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我會建議大家共識度最高的就是最好的因為我覺得民主時代不能你認為想怎樣就怎樣我覺得要聽大家大部分的人都有共識朝這個方向一定是風險最低 |
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我看到最近大家也在討論檢察官助理的問題其實上會期我也是強力的認為以目前的詐騙案以及相關的案件審理的時候我們應該要增加檢察官助理的員額其實上會期的時候大家有對於檢察官的助理員額法定的 |
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施法院的法官助理也會相對的要求,那兩個元額是否會有相關的影響呢? |
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我覺得我們增加檢察官助理的主要目的如果是要去處理詐騙案件我覺得最佳的方式是源頭減量當源頭不減量的時候我們再增加太多的檢察官助理事實上整個地檢他們不管是檢察官也好或者檢察事務官或者這些檢察官助理大家都很忙 |
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最佳的方式就是源頭減量源頭減量然後再把一些檢察官目前要做的事情去做一些梳理哪些可以透過跟警察機關合作的還有一些訴訟有些 |
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施法院的法官助理跟檢察官助理的緣額會不會有衝突兩邊基本上他沒有衝突可是會有一個現象就會援引比照的概念 |
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那對於公務人員的總額會不會有影響呢?一定會有影響,因為他是在總研會那會互相排擠嗎? |
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11694.984 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].end |
11721.429 |
| transcript.whisperx[415].text |
因為我跟委員報告一下第3類跟第4類他離上限大概都剩下大概400個人左右那如果檢察官你檢察官助理如果在法制化以後因為他會佔到我的總顏額他剩下的空間就非常不夠假如一下子又舉一個例子假如檢察官助理會增加1000個人那他在第4類的的這個顏額我就破表 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].start |
11722.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].end |
11722.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].text |
接下來 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].start |
11734.757 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].end |
11737.858 |
| transcript.whisperx[417].text |
張家俊委員何新淳委員游皓委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].start |
11759.105 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].end |
11772.158 |
| transcript.whisperx[418].text |
徐欣盈委員發言徐欣盈委員徐欣盈委員蔡易瑜委員發言蔡易瑜委員蔡易瑜委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].start |
11776.906 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].end |
11792.115 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].text |
好那今天所有登記發言的委員都已經發言完畢 詢答結束那委員質詢時要求提供相關資料或書面答覆的那我們請機關這邊能夠盡速交給個別委員還有本會 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].start |
11797.042 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].end |
11813.165 |
| transcript.whisperx[420].text |
那委員翁曉琳還有楊瓊英所提的書面質詢我們均列入記錄刊登公報並請相關機關以書面答覆好那本次會議就到此結束現在散會謝謝大家 |