| IVOD_ID |
156960 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/156960 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-26-8 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
8 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第8次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-14T13:18:51+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-14T13:30:53+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:02 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/978646e8c8251f3b919c533e1da6557efd7b6b5cb373b4ddea15901506589ececc0bfe413a39fb5b5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
劉建國 |
| 委員發言時間 |
13:18:51 - 13:30:53 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-11-14T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第8次全體委員會議（事由：一、繼續處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算有關衛生福利部主管預算凍結報告案2案。
二、邀請環境部部長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
三、審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案關於環境部主管預算。(公務及基金預算)(僅詢答)
四、審查環境部函送財團法人環境資源研究發展基金會等4家財團法人114年度預算書案。(僅詢答)
【業務報告及討論事項綜合詢答】） |
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好,謝謝主席,有請部長。請彭部長。欸,劉委員好。欸,部長好,部長辛苦齁。欸,部長應該很清楚嘛,本身也是有氣象的這個專業嘛,對不對?是,是。那今天露秋,臺灣露秋以後就是這麼多颱風,現在有可能下午會再發布另外一個颱風嘛齁?對。 |
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那相對於陰線我的母線還有其他全國臺灣的這些農業大線影響甚巨這幾天我一直也跟農業部農糧署還有農改廠一直去看到很多這些作物的這些損害而且非常嚴重蠻多還叫做延遲性的傷害剛發生的時候剛受到剛臺灣剛進來的時候還看不出他的受損狀況不過經過一二十天之後就慢慢的看到這個延遲性的傷害一直展現出來 |
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我是要請教部長又是氣象的專家會不會預估這一次的颱風會造成台灣有什麼樣的一個損害 |
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我已經沒有在做這個專業我專心做環境部的業務啦我沒有在算啦我沒有特別在看啦我回到民間我一定會給你這個資料的不過他底下剛剛一直笑的意思有點奇怪是不太相信部長的專業還是還是怎樣你們可以說給我聽我不會跟部長講 |
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我要表達是這樣因為這個對農業的損害真的是甚巨部長可以再看一下11月份這個報導是這樣會有是台共這可能是非常的一個嚴重的狀況當然要部長馬上答我可能會造成整個農業的損害到什麼程度當然是有困難不過 |
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bedingt我為什麼會這麼問是希望都透過你的專業也事實的因為我們經常對災害的部分是有跨部會來做這樣的一個整合跟支持然後 |
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也不只這樣。今年有11月4日的四台共舞2021年台灣遇到的百年的大旱再往前推2016有霸王級的寒流這在在的這種極端氣候都造成環境還有農業的巨大的損害所以我才會希望可以透過位於存口方式來請教部長也希望部長對這種全球氣候異常的狀態 |
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已經很難用過去的經驗詞去做判斷的狀況。那我們正在環境部的角度我們可以做到什麼程度來做一些預防。好,報告委員這個就是調試啦。氣候變態調試的能力的建構所以環境部其實是調試的主管機關那目前各個縣市有在提調試的計畫那我們在審核當中也就是說這種我們會知道越來越嚴重可能以後會有癌症每個人那個生老病死但是要提早做準備所以我們環境部是扮演這個角色 |
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條事部長可以看以下資料這個是我們溫室氣體管理基金及收支管理保管及運用辦法就不再贅述最主要有部長講的第6點這個氣候變遷條事之協調研擬及推動事項還有相關的內容就不再贅述 |
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我要表達再請教部長就是說我們預估在明年開始2026有60億的這個碳匯來開徵那我記得好像我看那個報導應該是10月17號的樣子 |
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我們本部長特別強調攤貨的目標是要以減碳為最有成效的來作為一個目標並幫助因應氣候變遷造成的弱勢例如可能會受到海水倒灌影響的嘉義或整個西南邊沿海地區你認為這些地區需要一些調適的方案攤貨應該可以提供幫助沒有錯吧 |
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公務及基金預算 |
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2016是39億107是44億來到114年已經156億甚至於去年是129億這從39億一直到最高的這幾年的156億你可想而知這是倍數倍數倍數的一直在成長那台灣的農民怎麼有辦法承受這一種 |
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中華民國11年度中央政府總預算案關於環境部部長列席報告業務． |
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台灣的農業對台灣的農民或多或少有一些預註。報告委員基本上碳費要直接補助給農業是有點困難的那因為這個碳費有13個項目所以比較不用是農業但是呢其實那個我們現在是會督導每一個部會要做調試像農業部也要做他的調試所以農業部的調試呢他自己也會編他的一個經費但是如果說有一個調試是更明確更有效益的當然或許有一些部分就可以來進行補助 |
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要有更明確嘛要更明確因為報告委員那個有時候但是部長你的明確已經顯示在你10月17號的記者會已經講了嘛對不對好水道灌影響的嘉義或整個西南邊的沿海地區嘛那這個海水道灌一定影響的農業叫做漁業嘛基本上就是漁業會苦辣一定也是有影響嘛還去道館那所有苦辣的對不對不管是粉牛仔啦不管是蛤蜊啦不管什麼的對不對也一定會影響嘛啊這個就符合你講的話 |
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゚≡≡≡ |
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對阿你就是補助海邊的提黃嘛可以拉高嘛對不對那海邊的提黃基本上主責大概是在經濟部嘛對不對在這個河川分屬嘛應該是這麼說嘛那你已經可以想到這樣了那當然你對農業部分你是不是可以多加琢磨一些應該可以吧我是因你講的話來想出環境部可以在碳水的部分可以更周延的更周全的為台灣的農業跟農民做更多的挹注嘛 |
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應該是這樣而且特別還想到最後一句話叫做並幫助因應氣候變遷造成的弱勢嘛那絕對是農民那絕對是騰的農業應該是這樣我真的不曉得沒有辦法馬上答覆我啦那是不是可以研擬一下就像你剛才比喻的對針對這種細胃癌的提防我們或多或少可以在探討的部分來做一些益助嘛那相關的沿海的農業也應該可以比照這樣的比例來做支持嘛好不好 |
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我們研究一下好不好好啦一個月了好不好好我們謝謝我們試看看謝謝就這邊試啦我們研究一下研究之後就做啦好不好你就請到提防的啊不然我覺得你對經濟部比較好啊你對農業部不好啊關於農業部預算比我們大十幾倍啊沒有啦 |
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沒有沒有沒有絕對沒有農委會之前平均才多少預算後來是升格變步之後才逐步的慢慢的調高起來對不對那你們現在以前是環保署啊現在叫環境部啊對啊你們的預算如果比人家少那你們就漏氣了啊你知道我在問你一次你知道那個環保署變成環境部是誰的主責是要處理的對啊謝謝委員謝謝委員對啊連家我那個也是我處理人家預算可以增加為什麼你預算不能增加對啊那下面的人就有問題了啊 |
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委員我們要加油啦,我們希望增加啦。好,謝謝了。好,謝謝委員。一個月。還有一個,一個很快的,很快的。那個,不好意思啦。我們通常工廠看起來大廈嘛,這不一定很清楚嘛。有。船有酸氣外洩嘛,引潛到了恐慌,化學署的技術小組第一時間也趕到現場。然後, |
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我想這個獨化災絕對是近已截然最棘手的一個災害之一像我們雲林又是我的母縣石化工業園區然後我們更深知這個獨化災的危險性跟影響性所以我在委員會也特別拜託我們慈省環保署現在的獨化署介入了在雲林六清又成立了一支叫脈療環境事故專業技術小組 |
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因為那個原本是有,是在朵六但是從朵六趕到這個六千的十萬元區那個是要一個鐘頭,環部計級啦那我也特別感謝這個環境部跟我們讀畫署可以做這樣來處理那也跟在地的這樣的零星的一個安撫來講就達到一定程度的這樣的效果那請教部長目前 |
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環境事故專業金融小組總共有幾對?現在有10對有10對嘛那我們希望擴增啦擴增為什麼要擴增?因為其實有一些地方例如說東半部花蓮台東金門目前還沒有我們現在考慮那個地方先來設分店啦分隊好花蓮台東嘛齁對阿你們現在有多增加一對嘛就是要進駐東華花蓮的東華大學嘛對正在規劃當中對阿為什麼會花蓮多於一處然後要進到東華大學 |
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為什麼選擇這個地方?能不能簡單說明就好?就是0403那個花蓮地震導致東華大學的那個實驗室大火。對。那個非常嚴重嘛。延燒的相關的一些化學物質延燒20小時嘛。整個校舍是全毀嘛。所以我們今天才會為什麼第一時間沒有我們的應變隊去做處理?為什麼沒有? |
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當時我們在這個花東的部分是委託那個以花蓮是中華紫江因為他也有聯防小組所以平常我們都委託他去處理但是這次因為地震應該說路線受阻結果他進不到裡面這樣子 |
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你們不是要從宜蘭要派我們的應變小組過去嗎?那是北區。對。對,就是那我們10隊的話,那是由我們去啦。對啊對啊對啊。但是在比較緊急的狀況,像花蓮當時的話,我們會有拜託,應該說有一個合作協定啦。對對。請那個聯防小組來幫忙。 |
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那個聯邦小組也因為道路中斷嘛地震嘛對不對道路坍塌嘛所以那個小組一樣沒有辦法到東華大學直接去做相關的應變作為嘛對不對一樣道理嘛你從宜蘭要調過來道路還是一樣嘛道路中斷都沒辦法處理嘛好那你們現在只有給華聯 |
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華年設施要應付未來的花東嗎?是不是這樣?不是,我們台東跟金門都會同時來規劃。好,那這樣我就放心了啦。我們就像剛剛開始講的就願意籌謀嘛,不要重蹈覆轍。不然你像華年發生這個事情,再跌破再出力,他如果要調軌也要用路。 |
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705.131 |
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mentioned. |
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705.131 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
706.471 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
這些愛情和新存委員和新 |