| IVOD_ID |
15686 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/15686 |
| 日期 |
2024-03-04 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-19-2 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第2次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-03-04T08:31:19+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-03-04T12:28:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
03:56:41 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/16eb79f0bb3b77db471ce9aeb73a155c4f0709a7fb2e74833be8d109af184be4b7cf28d9a59697ef5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-03-04T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第2次全體委員會議（事由：邀請農業部部長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。【3月4日、3月6日及7日三天一次會】） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:31:19 - 12:28:00 |
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委員會委員會委員會 |
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好,我們現在正式開會請主秘報告初期人數報告全體會初期委員14人以主法定人數好,我們現在開會進行報告事項請宣讀上次會議事錄 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期經濟委員會第1次全體委員會議．事入時間113年2月29日星期四上午9時11分至10時8分地點紅樓101會議室出席委員林黛樺委員等14人主席楊委員、瓊瑛報告事項一、立法院各委員會 |
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組織法第3條之4規定．立法院各委員會召集委員2人．由各委員會委員與每會期互選產生．2宣讀本會期本會召集委員選舉人名冊．選舉事項．選舉立法院第11屆第1會期本會召集委員．1推定發票員、唱票員．計票員及監票員各1人進行選舉． |
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決定鄭天才委員為發票員、邱志偉委員為唱票員、邱益穎委員為計票員及謝亦鳳委員為監票員。2.選舉結果1.發出選票14張,開出選票14張,有效票數14張,無效票數0張。2.楊委員求贏得票8張,邱益穎委員得票6張。 |
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主席宣告楊瓊瑩委員及邱毅英委員二人當選為本院第11屆第1會期本會召集委員。散會宣讀完畢好,請問各位同仁,上次的會議思路有意義?有錯誤?沒有,我們意思路確認那我們現在進行報告事項,請宣讀邀請農業部部長列席報告業務概況．並備質詢。宣讀完畢 |
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本日議程排定農業部業務報告我們現在請農業部陳代理部長報告 |
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主席、各位委員今天奉邀到我們大院經濟委員會做農業部的相關業務報告首先還是代表農業部感謝我們各位委員過去長期對於農業的一個支持才能夠讓我們的農業能夠持續的永續發展以下請就我們農業部的一個業務報告做一些說明 |
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整個農業部的施政組都大概分為三個部分第一個部分是增加農民福利第二個部分是完善整個基礎建設第三個部分是怎麼樣透過相關的政策措施能夠提高產業的一個競爭力 |
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1932.34 |
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在增進農民福利的部分大概我們持續推動我們三保一金的一個農民福利體系包括農民健康保險包括辦理紙災保險擴大我們的農業保險以及建立我們農民退休的儲金那過去這些三保一金的一個推動都相當順利那110年我們也訂定了相關的目標能夠持續的加強我們的一個農民福利體系的一個推升 |
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1933.2 |
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1949.616 |
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議員議員議員 |
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1950.316 |
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農業現在面臨年齡的一個老化正在做一些年齡的一個轉型那我們在學校端也透過了這些公費專班的部分能夠引導我們的新進農民的進到我們的職場那已經在從事農業的部分我們也針對一些相關的這些有經驗的百大的一個青年為典範當作標竿那同時在我們各試驗改良場所的農民學院 |
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1976.59 |
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1978.132 |
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提升農業專業智能,讓農業更永續。第三個部分是有關於 |
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1987.905 |
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2009.31 |
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農業的施政除了照顧我們的農業的從事農業的農民以外我們對於農村的長者我們也持續做相當的關懷推設我們的綠色照護以及農村送暖的這些活動那透過農村的一個長者的一個定點關懷還有一些到宅服務的關懷等部分那我們希望透過綠飲食、綠療育跟綠陪伴 |
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能夠協助農村的高齡者在地健康老化來展現長者的一個智慧傳承第二個部分是非常重要的整個一個農業的基礎的一個環境的建設 |
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環境的建設最重要就是有關於灌溉水源的一個確保那擴大灌溉服務及農水路一個韌性的計程車是一個非常重要的一個政策那透過這樣的一個政策我們擴大了灌溉的一個服務從過往的整個的一個農業灌溉系統都只服務灌溉我們已經擴展到灌溉外的服務累積已經到達5.6萬公頃那同時我們加上清淤的一個一個作為 |
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那同樣的我們更投入更多的經費來帶動農村的一個經濟發展 |
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第二個部分是怎麼樣讓我們的農業能夠維護在維護我們農地資源保障糧食供應的前提下能夠提高我們的農民收益所以我們農業部設計了一個堆堆式的一個給付方式那除了環境農業環境的一個基本給付以外那透過了一個稻田轉作的一個獎勵的一個制度那同時針對有機有膳 |
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及產交旅隊部份我們也額外提出一些政策的一個誘因期待透過一個有機有算的部份讓我們的農地能夠更能夠持續永續此外我們在農地有限的範圍之內我們也推動了國土生態綠網及提升了生態的一個服務價值那整個的一個生態系統 |
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國土生態系統裡面我們已經公開了大概44個一個關注區域然後45條的一個保育的軸帶那未來整個國土生態的一個綠網的建設會持續在這45條的區域保育軸帶為軸心然後向外拓展能夠讓更多的這些保育類的一些資源能夠繼續維持在我們台灣本島 |
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在基礎環境一切在裡面其實另外一個非常重要的過去農業的相關的施政作為都是投入在生產端都是確保我們的生產品質那這幾年來我們透過了一個冷鏈的一個計畫我們希望說讓我們的農產品能夠更確保我們的到貨品質那到目前為止其實我們已經針對了三個旗艦的一個冷鏈中心然後是四處的區域冷鏈 |
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那13支的批方市場跟肉品市場建立了一個整個的一個全國的一個所謂的物流網然後希望說透過這樣一個全國物流網的一個建設讓我們所有的農產品能夠確保它的一個到貨品質 |
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委員會議員 |
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的機械的一個協助那到目前為止其實在110年度其實我們也協助了我們的這些農民購買相關的農機具跟他的一個自動化的一個機具然後也媒合了相關的這些農機共享就是農機的uber讓有需要用農機的話可以利用農機的uber來調度他的一個農機具就續行 |
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主席 |
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特別是在非洲豬瘟,我們成功的守護住了非洲豬瘟。我們在109年也成功的口滴疫的一個拔針。目前我們正在積極針對傳統豬瘟的一個拔針。如果順利的話,預計在113年的7月滿一年以後,我們就可以向WHO申請豬瘟的肺疫區。在洋豆方面來講,我們也是一個洋豆肺疫區的一個國泰。 |
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2300.24 |
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在植物面相來講,植物的一個植物醫師是農民一直所期待需求的那過去幾年我們用示範的方式我們也導入了大概100位的一個植物醫師在各縣市的一個的基層的農會來協助我們農民做相關的一個植物病床化的一個診斷跟植物的一個營養的一個管理 |
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這個植物診療師的一個法案現在已經也送到了立法院那也期待各位委員能夠支持這樣的一個法案通過能夠讓我們的整個農民在有關於病種害的一個診療跟診斷的部分有所諮詢 |
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總務的一個管理在農業部去年8月要成立以後我們特別成立一個動保師那其實成立動保師的最主要的目的就是希望能夠將寵物的一個產業化做有系統的一個管理不管是從上游中游到下游的一個寵物生命紀念我們都有相關的一個政策的一個規劃那我們期待說透過這樣的一個 |
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從出生到死亡的一個完整的一個規劃從上游的寵物的買賣、繁殖一直到下游的寵物的一個生命紀念都有一個完整的政策的一個配套能夠協助整個寵物的一個管理第三個部分是在有關於提升產業競爭力的一個部分那產業競爭力其實是一個必須持續要去做的一個工作 |
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非常重要的一個工作重點就是要去推廣有機有膳的一個工作的一個面積那有機有膳除了會因應我們的淨零就是碳排的一個減少以外那針對產交履歷的一個產品的一個驗證也能夠確保我們農產品的一個實的安全那到目前為止有機有膳的面積其實已經推動到24114公頃 |
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那比107年其實提高了相當的多那產銷履歷的部分也是已經達到了95000公頃那特別在水燉養殖的部分也有相當不錯的一個成績已經提升到將近3000公頃左右那未來的目標我想我們會達到3150公頃的目標那在未來我想我們會持續不管是針對有機有膳 |
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或是農糧產品的產交履歷驗證或是輿序產品的驗證我們會持續的一個加強努力 |
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2446.073 |
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稻米是一個我們國內的一個主食那在過去兩年來我們推動了稻作四捲餐同時也輔導轉做的一個雜糧那其實我們針對我們的民間的糧價的部分產地價已經從趨勢來看從109年開始 |
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委員會議員 |
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的收購大概74%民糧、34%公糧。那我們期待說透過這樣子的一個民營產地價格的一個提升來提高我們農民的一個真正的一個收益。 |
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2509.791 |
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接下來想要跟各位委員說明是有關於我們農產品的一個品牌的一個形塑因為農產品不管是在國內的行銷或是在國外的一個行銷都需要有較好的一個品牌的一個推動那相對的除了國內的部分我們除了透過一個品牌的推動以外我們也有效的開發幾個重要的一個產品的這些國產的這些產品的一個 |
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2540.395 |
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檢測的一個技術那特別在茶葉上面來講其實我們已經導入了實際的應用那透過茶葉的檢測我們推動了臺灣茶的一個標示那也只有百分之百用臺灣茶才可以用才可以標示臺灣茶那我們期待說透過這樣的一個就是國產茶的或是國產的這些水產品牡蠣等之類的這些產品的一個鑑別能夠更提升我們國產茶的一個優勢 |
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同樣的在產交履歷的部分我們也推動到我們的學童營養午餐因為學童是我們的下一代我們必須好好的透過農產品優良農產品的供應來達到他們的身心靈的一個健康那整個的一個校園食材的一個再升級從107年將近50%多左右到了112年底我們整個 |
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2578.431 |
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全國的營養午餐使用3張EQ的比例已經達到98.3那偏鄉的地區也達到97.8的部分那這個部分我想都是大家一起努力所得到的一個結果 |
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2580.526 |
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2597.016 |
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在續行的部分大概分為三個部分除了養豬產業還有加進產業跟草食加續的一個產業那養豬產業的部分透過一個百億基金的部分我們已經陸續的展開整個整合性的一個租售的一個升級 |
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2625.83 |
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那目前注射的升級率已經達到35%,2039場那另外在屠宰端我們也輔導了11家的一個屠宰場能夠取得HACCP的一個認證那同樣的我們將一些加工的豬肉已經可以外銷到澳洲、日本、新加坡、澳門、香港等那在生鮮的豬肉部分已經成功的重返了一個菲律賓那在家禽產業的部分來講以現在目前整個 |
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家禽的這個飼養場的部分不管是雛雞、腫雞、蛋中雞到蛋雞的部分它的整個復養都符合我們的預期然後現在目前的一個雞蛋的蛋產能大概整個蛋雞的大概有3300這個上個禮拜大概3353萬隻左右那整個雞蛋每天的供應量達到2410萬那2410萬已經恢復到我們過往的一個水準 |
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議員議員 |
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2668.681 |
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2692.431 |
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前面的這些感染大概有24場但是蛋機廠只有一場表示說我們生物安全防護做的已經有精進然後能夠確保我們的整個蛋機的一個產業那草汁產業的部分特別是在牛肉、乳牛的部分我們今年也抱怨就是希望說能夠透過整個弱牛產業的一個升級來提升我們的整個的一個國產鮮乳的一個飲用 |
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在漁業部分我們強調的是兩個部分,一個部分是最主要是漁港的部分,漁港的部分過去我們投入相當多的經費,不管是在碼頭的一個修繕或是防波堤的一個改善,甚至於整個航道的一個輸進,在各個一類漁港或是二類漁港都有陸續的一個建設。 |
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議員議員 |
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2742.066 |
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針對有一些小型的遠洋漁船的部分如果它不符合相關的這些改善起居條件就是確保我們的漁業人權的部分我們就引導它做相關的一個退場那遠洋漁的部分我們也做相關的一個退場 |
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產業的一個推動其實絕對不是個人去獨立去奮鬥的所以我們在在整個農糧部分我們推動了一個農業策略聯盟那這個農業策略聯盟現在看起來是相當成功的不管在文旦、在紅凍、在鳳梨或是在咖啡我們成立的這些策略聯盟能夠適度的把這些小農集中 |
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2806.988 |
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打群體戰將他的這些產品做一個有系統的這些品牌的一個推動然後提升他的一個產品的一個價值那從這張圖表其實也可以看得到過去我們大部分是仰賴一些農業的這些水特別是水果都仰賴中國的一個市場那中國自從110年開始陸陸續續禁止我們的這些水果或是漁產品 |
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2826.203 |
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進到停止輸入大陸中國以後那相對的如果我們看把中國的這些市場排除以後其實我們的對外的外銷能夠還是持續不斷的在增長從38.9億一直提升到大概43到45億左右那顯示說其實這幾年來我們的 |
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農產品不再仰賴中國的單一市場而且我們成功的開拓了就是高端的一個市場那特別是在美國、加拿大、澳洲、紐西蘭、韓國這幾個國家是我們重要的一些就是我們高端的一個市場那未來我們也會持續針對這些國家進口、出口相關的有關於高質優化的這些水果產品跟其他的農產品 |
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2863.171 |
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最後一部分想要跟各位委員說明的是有關因應氣候變遷經農業近鄰並進我們希望說打造一個嫩性的一個農業那大家都知道其實農業受到氣候變遷的影響是相當大的從這幾年來看我們很多天然災害的發生都是衝擊到農業的一個一個 |
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委員會主席 |
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2909.258 |
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2909.278 |
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委員會議員 |
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2928.144 |
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2954.865 |
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我們陸陸續續在建設相關多的農業的氣象站大概已經達到176站那在112到114年的部分我們也跟中央氣象協會合作要跟增設了150個站那我們希望說透過這樣的一個農業氣象資訊站的一個建設能夠收集到更精準的區域性的這些氣候來讓我們農民能夠針對這樣的一個氣象資訊能夠做好更好的一個自主的一個防範 |
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2956.971 |
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2957.672 |
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農業部門的温室氣體減量 |
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2974.438 |
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2990.675 |
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比國家2050年淨零的目標提早了10年我們在2040年希望達到農業的淨零那農業部門不只是能夠讓我們農業部門達成淨零的部分那整個國家的一個淨零工業部門他到最後沒有辦法 |
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2991.776 |
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3011.885 |
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檢量的時候那勢必靠我們農業部門的協助所以我們對於農業部門的一個溫室氣體的一個減量我們琢磨的特別深那針對整個碳會的部分包括土壤碳會包括森林碳會包括海洋碳會那這兩年來我們持續的相關的去推動特別是在土壤碳會的部分 |
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3027.142 |
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議員議員 |
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3027.162 |
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3053.277 |
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在森林碳灰的部分除了新增造林以外有一些新的政策去做獎勵造林以外我們也強化了整個森林的浮域透過國產材的利用能夠將碳封存在整個的一個木材裡面海洋的碳灰的部分就是俗稱的所謂燃炭的部分燃炭部分是目前覺得是有相當的潛力但是相關的技術還是能帶大家 |
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3053.797 |
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獲得獲得獲得獲得 |
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3073.311 |
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那整個的一個國家的一個攤位特別是農業部門攤位不能只靠我們公部門去著手其實公司部門的一個協力是一個非常重要的一個推動的一個策略那我們農業部門好帶過去 |
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3088.664 |
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3111.534 |
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一年間我們推動了許多的農業的ESG的一個方案那特別是邀請很多企業界用ESG的一個概念來跟農業做相關領域的一個合作不管是結合綠色金融的永續指標來鼓勵企業的一個參與那同時我們也積極的去建構相關的一個方法學 |
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3112.414 |
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3135.954 |
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現在目前為止大概有6種的一個方法學到7種的方法學目前已經完成草案的研擬或甚至於已經送到環境部的一個審查我們希望說送到環境部審查通過了以後那未來生力能經營、足力能經營或是農地的土壤管理那具有這樣的一個動作的時候就能轉換成我們的一個碳匯的一個價值 |
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3136.474 |
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3150.182 |
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那後續才有可能變成一個碳的架將這個應用國內的底換的專案這個質量、質量減量的專案或是問題正量底換的專案的部分都可以得到一個相當不錯的一個成果 |
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3173.281 |
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整個進行循環裡面一個非常重要的就是農業剩餘資源的循環在利用我們在剩餘資材過去很多農作物本身除了重視生產的一個產品以外對於生產以外的東西我們都把它作為農業廢棄物那農業廢棄物過往都是掩埋或是焚燒 |
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3174.261 |
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3194.861 |
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那其實這幾年我們一直對外宣導其實農業本身的權助的一個利用我們已經適度的將農業的廢棄物改成農業的剩餘資源或是剩餘資財那我們希望說所有的剩餘資財都能夠循環再利用不管是材料化、能源化的部分都有相當的一個琢磨 |
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3198.364 |
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3221.417 |
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在整個技術裡面特別是一開始可能大家不是非常清楚所以我們在全台灣建置了303個整個農業剩餘資源循環的一個場域那透過這個場域不管是廢棄、孤包或是群聚糞尿的部分能夠搭配、能夠成為再利用的一個場所那透過這樣的一個示範場域能夠逐步的推廣達到我們整個全循環零廢棄的一個目標 |
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3225.558 |
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3242.485 |
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最後向各位委員說明以提升農民的所得確保我們國人的糧食安全是我們農業部最主要的一個核心目標那未來我想我們會持續推動整個新的一個農業政策來打造我們的全民農業提升我們的農業的一個韌性特別是因應氣候變遷農業韌性更應該更積極的去建構 |
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3252.629 |
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以因應外來的環境的挑戰：並投入更多的一個資源來協助我們產業提升競爭力來壯大臺灣的農業讓臺灣的農業未來會更好以上報告謝謝 |
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3265.933 |
| transcript.whisperx[79].end |
3289.289 |
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好,我們現在進行詢答委員詢答前依照慣例我們做幾點宣告每位委員發言時間本會委員6分鐘必要的時候加2分鐘非本會委員4分鐘必要的時間延長1分鐘那我們上午10點半截止發言登記首先我們請第一位邱映穎委員請發言 |
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謝謝主席我是不是請一下部長我們請部長陳部長早部長我想這個剛剛您的報告非常具細彌遺那其實對於農業部有很多的我們其實還有很多的問題想要請教但我先講一個時事題這個是 |
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這是我前幾天看到這個你們發布的一個新聞就我記得在上一屆的第6會期第7會期的時候其實本席也曾經質詢過就是我們這個犬貓的隔離 |
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﹝廣告﹞ |
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因其很多貓派狗派或者是寵物派有養很多毛小孩的這些愛動物的人士的關心可是我在媒體上面其實並沒有看到農業部對於這一項好的政策的宣傳 |
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所以其實很多人並不清楚我們所謂的有條件免隔離是什麼樣的狀態我們的免隔離是什麼樣的狀態甚至就是說對於犬貓的這些隔離犬舍的環境改善我們改善到什麼樣的程度是不是能夠請農業部多一點宣傳 |
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好不好 這個部分農業部能做得到嗎 來部長我想謝謝那個委員的一個關心那的確就是說我們在重新做一些修正以後能夠將我們的一些過去的全包因為我們蘇菲伊區進來一定是7天的隔離 |
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3423 |
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現在是一個有條件在從風險可控的前提下能夠做免隔離的部分那最主要是針對他如果說他在輸入前的180天以內以前有施打這些疫苗以後的血清的例價能夠達到標準的時候那他就可以進來我覺得這個應該是簡單、清楚、明瞭的跟愛貓人士或者是愛狗人士就是有養毛小孩的人士跟他們說明 |
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未來進入寵物進入到臺灣的這些不管是完全免隔離或者是有條件免隔離這件事情我覺得都應該要好好的去做一個宣傳我想我們立刻我們甚至可以多開幾場的說明會我覺得要說明的方式讓更多人其實你不一定要用說明會我覺得現在流行短影音你們用短影音去傳遞可能會速度會更快一點那個大家知道的這個情形會更了解 |
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已經超過三成了 |
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3534.985 |
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超過三成但是部長這個包括您剛剛的簡報裡頭其實也看到我們現在看到的30到39歲現在的資料看起來提撥率是只有7%有再增加嗎27%30到39歲現在提撥率有到27%那為什麼跟我上面拿到的這個資料差距這麼大 |
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你講的27%是全部還是超頭?全部大概已經超過3,同一個年齡層大概27%好,如果有到27%其實比例上還算很低啦。部長你們有沒有去研議,就是說有沒有去討論過為什麼年輕的農民參加的退休儲金的比例這麼低? |
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| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
委員會議 |
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好,部長 |
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你剛剛講說很多人還在觀望其實這個政策也實施大概兩三年了啦如果要觀望其實也到一個程度了有沒有可能我們現在開始去加強力道不要說強制啦 |
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我想委員的 |
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的說明非常清楚就是說像類似我們的勞工有沒有顧主的勞工主動提撥6%這個部分但是這個部分我們內部曾經研擬過他需要有一個法源因為現在的相關的規定是 |
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農民提撥多少,我們對等提撥多少如果說我們一開始等於說第一年他只要一加入我先提撥一個百分比的時候那我必須要有適當的法源這個部分我想我們第一個我們內部會再做法源的部分我覺得我們其實是可以來研議嘛對因為農民退休儲金制度也是從零到有嘛 |
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所以我覺得法院的部分其實我們是可以來研議包括這個6%的基準是從哪裡計算我覺得這個其實我們可以再來討論這件事情總之就是說我們要讓農民提投保的意願增加甚至要更清楚的讓農民知道政府照顧他們的這樣的一個心意讓農民到老了還是有 |
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部長我再請教您第二個問題現在這個 |
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3751.257 |
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民進黨政府在去年公布我們對於公立的大專院校的學雜費的補助我知道其實對於農漁民的子女來說他們念公立大學的比例其實比不上他們去念私立大學的比例當然我們也有農漁民的獎助學金的補貼辦法 |
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但是這個補貼辦法跟現在教育部的這一個私立大學的補助方案會不會有互相焊隔之處所以互相焊隔就是說他領了教育部的那個補助之後能不能再來請領我們農業部提供的農民的這個子女講座方案 |
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可還是不可還是有沒有什麼條件的限制那這一些部分的說明其實到目前為止我也沒有得到很充分的比如說農業部你們的保險局或者是農經局對於這個部分的請領資格的說明其實好像也不太夠另外一個我一併把問題問完再讓您一併 |
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來部長 |
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| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
我想針對排富的部分因為我們也知道現行國家的高中資已經全部有取消了排富的門檻那我們現在也是在研議配套的這些取消所以你們也在研議把這個排富的條款也把它拿掉大概什麼時候可以有一個定位我想我們盡可能盡快好不好這幾個月之內幾個月之內我覺得最好就是兩個月之內看看能不能 |
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我們盡可能把在一個月之內把它做一個完整的規劃這個規劃完你因為還要再抱怨取得一個行政委員的同意大概會這樣的方式然後第二個同意您剛才講的部分就是有關於私立學校的講座的部分我們基本上是我們希望因為它現在二則一不能都重複嘛 |
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如果是2則1應該怎麼樣2則1或者是說你們提供的優惠條件等等我覺得可能應該要再下箱或者是透過各個縣市政府的農業局或者是教育局來進行這一些比較詳盡的說明我想跟委員說明就是更重要的是我們希望說透過另外一類的獎勵 |
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謝謝部長下來啊 |
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| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
接下來我們請林黛樺委員請做詢問主席有請部長我們請部長 |
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| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
下一頁下一頁 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].start |
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3956.808 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
質詢提綱 |
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經掌握種源就能掌握經濟農業的戰略位置我舉了兩個案例一個是挪威鮭魚跟紐西蘭的奇異果那本席最後主張如何創造臺灣的農業價值就在這個精準農業什麼叫做精準農業就是物種種源再加上基因科技的技術這兩個才是達到所謂的精準農業最後本席對於農業部的智慧農業治理有一個具體的要求 |
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| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
什麼叫做這個農業治理呢本席所主張的農業治理是這樣子的育種生產自動化雲端化服務教育拍賣資訊大數據的收集最後到消費者端育種最重要是在種源的管理科學的配種精準種的養殖 |
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4029.741 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
4049.652 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
在我們過去的政策當中就把這個生產自動化當作就叫做智慧農業了所有的補助都到做智慧農業叫做生產自動化錯的他應該是從總員開始一直到生產自動化最後的雲端服務跟交易拍賣市場的大數據收集最後到消費者端我們的總員問題在哪裡呢目前農政單位所進行的總員品系 |
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| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
4073.898 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
及基因序的管理、各改良廠、思源所、各型歧視、整體的經濟物種的發展及研究、各型歧視、種源跟基因序的管理分散是多麼分散呢?本期再把下面你們只要跟 |
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| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
總原基因有關的3級單位我全部爬出出來了所以你看他的職長是這樣的分項細化而且是缺乏整合的也因為這樣總原精細的管理分散缺乏國內外市場策略性的布局甚至偏向學術性的研究我國需要的是策略性、市場性及前瞻性的經濟物種總原跟經濟物種基因管理的策略好 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].start |
4104.366 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
4133.055 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
下一頁我們這個經濟物種的種源跟基因收集我強調的種源包括基因的收集就能夠形成農業國際市場的獨佔比如說這個美國他掌握了白肉雞在這個蛋雞的部分就被這個荷蘭法國的企業掌握白蝦種就在墨西哥跟美國下位所以如果這個白雞白肉雞美國他如果在 |
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4133.595 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
4154.111 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
他的這個祖父袋或父母袋他不賣給臺灣那大概兩三年後我們也沒得買了只剩下我們的原生種那我們原生種相關的生產是弱化的是沒效率的好我請鮭魚不要動那個鮭魚的不是上一頁好 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
4161.987 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
4178.359 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
經濟物種的部分總圓的收集本席也用這樣表的來呈現從最上端的核心物總圓到下面的主帶總圓到父母帶、親本跟商品單我就以單機為主如果一隻機 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
4179.821 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
4183.685 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
那他產生了85個主袋85隻雞這是純種喔85隻雞當中會父母袋他會有7500隻的純種7500隻的純種在商品袋就75萬隻的純種最後整個市場我掌握了3億枚的雞蛋 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
4197.342 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
4204.531 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
國內的種源應用的問題是什麼?管理、分散且核心運用俱先偏正在父母貸跟商品貸我們進口這個父母貸跟商品貸的進來之後我們就會進清繁殖 |
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4211.198 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
4211.398 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
好,再 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
4235.932 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
4243.976 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
國語本身是海放的,他本來是海放的撈捕的漁業竟然在挪威這個大西洋國語的產業是水產養殖 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].start |
4247.318 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
4273.243 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
他占有領先的地位育種就是他不可缺的關鍵技術透過種源的收集及基因選拔技術能夠全面提升新品種的各項性能好你看這張圖這張是美國羅約育種的公司在2000年以前叫做傳統育種就是我看的我目視他好的那我就讓他們配種在後面的2000年的10年他用基因來做輔助選拔 |
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4274.483 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
4293.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
最後的2011年到現在全面的用基因來選拔物種所以它花了20年的時間全面的以基因來選拔它的品種而且變成水養殖不是海放好另外下一個它也就因為這樣的育種選拔所以能夠讓16個月的生長期縮短為9個月它所代表的是什麼 |
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4296.923 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
4316.622 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
我更低的生產成本我較少的碳排放以及更低的飼養風險所以在您的簡報章中你說要碳匯、碳匯啊這就是碳匯啊你導致了智慧農業之後而且精準農業當中的育種你就能夠減少碳排放啊更值得我們驕傲的是什麼 |
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| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
4317.202 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
紐西蘭 |
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4339.843 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
4354.235 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
這個呢這個奇異果他的種植面積並沒有大幅增加但是他創造更高的產量跟品系的發展關鍵就是他掌握的品掌握的種源利用育種的技術來開發新品種他的特色有什麼他能夠達到四項除了高品質性能的選拔他還有吸引性機能性跟風味的選拔包括黃金果啊什麼紅色黃金果啦黃色這個黃色紅色奇異果啊甚至他還可以 |
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4368.886 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
4388.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
到健康土壤在整個育種基因的這樣一個育種的情況之下他還能夠環境跟菌相的管理以及達到無化學殘留那這個就是他們利用掌握種源育種技術的精進好本席在這邊再舉一個案例臺灣可不可行呢精準農業 |
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4392.851 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].end |
4394.513 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
來創造台灣的農業價值精準農業掌握物種種源以及基因科技的技術這個基因不是講基因改良而是把每一個物種把它的整個的足譜爬梳出來 |
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那整個主婦爬出來優良的我們家語配對不是你看到好的結果他同父同母同父同樣的父母其實他根本沒有辦法做育種還是要透過基因科技把他的整個主婦爬出來臺灣國土面積僅有36000平方公里大量生產的粗放型農業根本不適合小國寡民的農業出口也就是說今次 |
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高附加價值特定種苗的出口模式這種具關鍵技術掌握的農業外銷的模式是我國農業轉型的可評估性我們做不做得到我就以本期的選區高雄0元在這個石斑魚的部分如何能夠精準石斑魚的養殖 |
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協助他們向速發部來爭取經費所以呢過往你看這個我們過往從腫瘀瘦菌卵到這個魚苗白生寸苗到成魚過往我們都只有成魚的出口我們現在在魚苗這個時候就出口了 |
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我們在地的業者一個青農他願意接受我的意見我也輔助他到速發部我沒有跟你們申請金我到速發部申請結果他的價值是翻倍目標市場在哪裡馬來西亞好那本行的針對智慧農業的具體建議在我上一屆的時候已經講到農業決策數據平台連你們的決策都要數位化都要智慧化 |
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決策智慧化所以在這個決策數位平台當中應該納入智慧農業本席要求有這三項納入你的智慧決策數據平台第一個,農業部建立國家農漁牧業的經濟物種及保育物種的種源及基因完整的資料庫並輔導針對目標市場進行的專利佈局我就以經濟物種跟保育物種我講到這個保育物種 |
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台灣我們都說梅花柱是台灣特有種但是不好意思它經過相關的基因體檢測之後多為外來種的基因因為長期沒有系統化的育種跟存化第二個本席的建議農業部應該參考前述的挪威跟紐西蘭的案例掌握種源行銷國際規劃國家農業經濟市場的布局 |
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最後整體策略發展因重視國內特有的小農經濟如何結合生物科技業者搭配國家的市場合作策略比如說新南向政策日韓東北亞的市場積極媒合以上部長您有什麼回應 |
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謝謝委員針對整個的一個相關於農業部部份的一個總緣的一個相關的議題我們現在農業部現在在處理的是一個剛才您講我們叫做數位的育種計畫那數位育種計畫基因的一個完整的資料庫是一個非常重要的所以我們未來大概會分為三個面向第一個面向就是技術的開發 |
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那技術的開發是針對你剛才所提到的基因的完整資料庫基因的完整資料庫每一個物種基因完整資料庫建立可能3到5年短的話長的話可能10年但是我們會針對我們國內現有的這些重要的物種會先去著手會去做那第二個部分就是一定要是跨域的一個合作像剛才講的生物晶天的部分那我們現在 |
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農業部跟國科會這邊有一個跟生物晶片有關的部分那你剛剛所提到的是硬體的部分是我們國內做的但是裡面的這些去檢測的基因還是由其他國家去開發的這一定是要跨國合作的那總之未來您提的這三項我就講一個啦去年才發生的啦這個芒果鳳梨啦 |
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韓國慕尼他沒關係啊這個大陸去中國去賣啊但是因為如果你有掌握種源跟品種註冊這個我們就是品種註冊這才是我們要把人家他即使他們就是中國就是把這個種源掌握了但是如果我們能夠種源掌握我用個品種註冊 |
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我們接下來請憲伊鳳委員進行詢答 |
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主席好,我想要請陳部長 |
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部長好我想請問去年1月的時候我們三足通過農民健康保險條例那我們把農保跟農保職災保險的投保金額從過去的一萬兩百元提高到兩萬四百元那時候我是代表國民黨團的提案所以我們藉此提高了農保的生育給付以及商帳津貼但是發現 |
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你們那個農業部是不是螺絲鬆了?是不是沒有不想要幫那個農民的這個保險、健康保險啊或者是這些津貼啊加,你們為什麼沒有編列相關的預算?聽說你們積欠農保基金跟農職保基金金額超過15億是不是? |
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我跟委員說明當時在增加這樣禮務委員提案一起達成提高這樣的一個收益的時候是剛好在年中那我們整個農保基金本身是在去年就編了 |
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農保條例有一個規定如果你農保虧損的話中央政府機關一定要提撥做負責會提撥所以我想跟委員說明就是我想也請農民不用擔心說農保會破產這樣的部分像以今年我們撥了272億我不是說破產結果因為你還欠利息阿是不是你欠了多少利息你沒有編列15億的預算已經撥付了利息欠多少 |
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目前這些農民健康保險條例所規定的這些相關的都是在農會加保對不對 |
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都是在農會加保嘛都是由鄉鎮農會辦理嘛但是現在農民他們有疑慮的問題在於有時候他是投保A他可能想要轉移到B因為居住地的問題啊或者是其他相關的問題可是他們很擔心欸很擔心老農津貼他是不是有按照年資計算的 |
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當他在A鄉鎮農會加保已經快要達這個年資的時候如果他移轉到B鄉鎮農會的時候那你怎麼樣子確保農民的這個權益 |
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我想跟委員說明就是他當他轉移的時候他只要符合資格的話後面的那個資料會連線他會接續的什麼時候開始連線因為其實我在就是說在民間的時候接受到非常多農民的這個陳情 |
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他們很擔心他們不敢轉移因為他們擔心他轉移從A轉移到B鄉鎮農會的時候會造成他的投保年資重新計算那這個情況你怎麼確保當然你說現在是有勾肌你跟我說你什麼時候開始會連線鄉鎮農會的系統開始連線然後怎麼樣子確保農民在移轉鄉鎮農會加保的時候 |
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不會損失他們的年資還有那是不是後面的人再去把那個你們15億欠多少利息先查明清楚 |
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報告委員,因為我們要加入農保,像以彰化縣而言：如果是在西州的農民,他彰化縣的農地都可以加入農保：而他是以戶籍地來加保：如果今天這個：移到旁邊的 |
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委員會主席 |
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不是,現在不是勞保的那個系統可以攻擊而是他會擔心他從A轉移到B的時候那是不是中間的這個年資計算能不能馬上一次到位在他轉移的一開始就把他的年資轉移到那個就是B農會因為你如果沒有一開始轉移農民會因為不了解 |
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對於我們這樣子的一個就是遷徙的自由可能會受到限制嗎?對不對?是可以所以我這個棉枝是不會有中斷的問題只要它馬上加保它就馬上接續那所以你是不是可以確保就是棉枝在一開始轉移的時候就會重新加保最主要是擔心說它如果失去農保資格它換地方的話 |
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會重新來認定他的農保資格對你重新換地方又會再就是說這個部分怎麼確定能不能在他移轉的時候先確定只要他符合農保資格加保這個年資都會確定那我們會請各農會來加強對農民做這樣的說明 |
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不是要加強說明而是你要讓他們再移轉前就確保第一個先確保他的農保資格不會上失第二個你要讓他再移轉前他就可以清楚的了解嘛 |
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我們會提供一個服務,就是移轉前我們先去確認他相關的這些資訊,這樣的話會比較有效 |
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第二個就是剛才你委員所提到利息農保的部分是460萬利息460萬是不是農食保是9.7萬好那還有現在在民間大家都認為很多民眾認為我們現在發展的漁電共生都是真重電假養魚 |
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5098.07 |
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我想要請問你們漁電工生所產生的養殖的產值是多少以及你怎麼樣子讓民眾不會質疑就是我們的漁電工生是假養殖真重電對於我們發展漁電工生來講雖然我們希望 |
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是不是? |
| transcript.whisperx[162].start |
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那你們查核的標準是不是太低才會讓民眾我跟你講民眾跟我講的他們說 |
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我非常認同委員的說明就是提醒 |
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我們農業部一定是以養殖為本綠能加值。我舉個例子,我們在查的強度非常強。像我們在去年,我如果沒有記錯的話,我們查了16場,其中不合格的9場我們就把它撤照了。 |
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我認為為了解除民眾的疑慮 |
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我覺得這也是相對的保障漁電共生業者的權利你要來投入這個產業的時候你必須要了解你就是增養值嘛你的產值要增加到什麼程度的時候然後 |
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對於我們養殖的產值有辦法增加,然後才讓我們綠能加值嗎?是不是?我覺得你這個標準要出來,什麼時候可以出來?養殖的部分,室內的部分有可能增加,但是戶外的部分不可能增加。因為戶外的部分,它可能會稍微降低一點。 |
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但是相對的我們一定會確保他養殖的一個事實我們都在推廣智慧農業了嘛那我們當然希望說我們的智慧技術可以使我們這些雨電共生我們當初希望發展這個就是希望可以用智慧農業讓養殖也增加然後同時又可以發電所以我才說在室內的這些智慧養殖的部分場子的確是可以提高的所以這個部分我想謝謝委員的提醒 |
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5300.285 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].text |
接下來我們請張祺凱委員請做詢答 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
謝謝主席,請陳部長來,再請陳部長部長5580萬顆的過期進口蛋 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].start |
5358.595 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
5358.835 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
我現在講很離譜對不對 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].start |
5384.321 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
5406.535 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
你本來在五年內跟我們說五年內要銷毀對不對?對那會不會拖太久了?這裡面有牽扯到很多很多層面的問題第一個你放那麼久那你現在放在那邊又用了人民多少的納稅錢?你現在放在哪裡?現在放在哪裡?在我們的倉庫裡面做冷藏庫存冷藏?你今天還去冷藏?冷凍的,冷凍庫存那電費給倉主的錢什麼時候存?這是人民的納稅錢對不對?是 |
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| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
是不是人民納稅錢? |
| transcript.whisperx[174].start |
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是。那個詳細資料請等一下送給我。好,那我要問除了流標之外,你們有什麼積極的動作去趕快把它銷毀掉?我想整個的一個現在因為已經招標了,但是各縣市本身在利用它當堆肥的時候,它必須同意它把這些廢棄的雞蛋當作資源再利用品項。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[175].end |
5452.182 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
所以現在就是由各縣市政府陸陸續續在接受業者申請把這個廢棄雞蛋當作再利用品項那一旦完成了以後會在120天之內去完成一個銷毀的動作 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].start |
5456.284 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].end |
5477.581 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
從現在今天3月7日你說還要多久?我們是合約是規定是啟動以後120天所以當時要完成銷毀我們是期待如果說陸陸續續開始有有開始有縣市已經同意的時候他就會開始就處理在120天內大概我們希望說在4月底、4月底到5月之間時間,卡定的時間好了你說卡定的時間,完整銷毀喔 |
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5480.843 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
5508.69 |
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而且我不只要時間,我要明確的要求,這個過程要是公開透明的,要讓民眾可以監督我們之前已經說了,我們在整個消費的過程中會有第三方的人來做監督跟押送那現在的時間點會不確定性會卡在各縣市同意它是成為廢棄物在利用的品項,這個時間點會掌握在各縣市手上所以等到各縣市同意以後,我們就會盡快,現在已經有四個縣市可以了 |
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5510.55 |
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5528.322 |
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市的管制可以?你說目前,你現在抓的時間是什麼?4月第5會期?對,我們是估計這樣,因為我們合約是在120天嘛那現在如果說我們在盡快跟縣市政府聯絡,也拜託縣市政府能夠盡快的核准因為這個基本上沒有太大的意義是合約,就是我們啟動開始運送以後120天啊 |
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那他會更快因為14家同時啟動就會很快因為當初是在年底標的那年底標的時候我們不是說標了以後開始執行因為各縣市各個那個再利用廠要去跟縣市申請那縣市要合格以後才開始計算第一個責任追究要怎麼追為什麼拖這麼久 |
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我們基本上從去年開始我們就積極的去做招標的動作那招標因為有流標的動作沒辦法第二次流標後來我們再重新拆開來以後變成運輸、貴運輸、製作堆肥、製作堆肥那我想我們所有同仁在盡心的希望能夠盡快的把這個廢棄基站能夠處理掉 |
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為什麼會沒有編這個預算? |
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所以你也不去申請動用第二億美金? |
| transcript.whisperx[183].start |
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委員會主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[184].start |
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您的利息是多少?30多元? |
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460萬這誰要負?負這筆錢?因為你們沒有做,這個利息錢誰要負責?這都是我的錢阿沒有,這是整個資金的調度是在政府部門應該要處理的阿 |
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那還好勞保局有去催教你,要不然這個歷期不知道時間拖更久,歷期還要花費更多嗎?是人家催教你們才給人家錢我想我們跟勞保局每一年固定會結算的然後如果有欠的部分我們會再等於說在今年我們在隔年度就一定撥補這是在整個的預算在支出的時候特別是這種 |
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重大施政新兵預算沒有編,第二個有一個緊急措施用第二億北京你也不要,那你現在要多出利息,這叫調度嗎? |
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這完全沒有責任?這個沒有,這個在農保條例裡面規定了,相關的這些農損的虧損,因為本身農保本身我們政府有補助,那相關的保費也比較低,我們政府有補助,那這個部分就會持續有一定的虧損 |
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那這個虧損都是每一年都是由政府第二年來撥補的。時間有限齁,再問一下公糧收購的這個問題。你知道啊,12年沒有調了嘛,對不對?對,100年開始。那都沒有調,那你知道物價漲了多少?這12年物價漲了多少? |
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我想我們跟委員報告,我們內部也曾經算過,其實我們的目的都是一樣的,是希望提高農民的收益。那以這幾年來看,請問農民的收益...現在問題就是我在英港的時辰中南部,像玉嶼橋,我都自己啊,自己農民就是在抗議啊。美食演講他們就講,你知道嗎,這邊的總統打算柯文哲跟侯友宜的共同的政見就是調到公兩啊。而且有志一同喔,一公斤五塊。 |
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我現在跟你講的第一個,為什麼要調?農民有苦收不出來,所以他們要求立法院幫忙問,這是一個。第二個,物價已經漲了那麼多了,14%,我給你一個更恐怖的數目是,這12年你沒調,基本工資漲多少?快一倍,你農民有時候也在炒人工對不對? |
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他的工資都提高了,成本都提高了,你為什麼不調?我跟委員說明齁,我們公糧,因為公糧只占所有的稻穀的收購的30%,70%是由民糧收購的。那你可以看民糧的收購本身這幾年從過去的800塊、900多塊一直到1060塊左右。 |
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民營的產地價提高那才是確保我們農民收益的非常重要的制度對阿對阿農民不是要講阿他如果可以賣給民間他就去賣啦可是你們收購為什麼不能提高呢沒有我想齁你那麼高你基本工資也漲阿漲了快一倍阿你行不行就讓農民這是農民的心聲欸你是農業部長你要體會苦民所苦就是瞭解民眾要什麼對不對農民要什麼嘛 |
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農民這樣一直要求,已經說10幾年了都不等了我跟你們報告我們從100年的經驗我們提高供糧收過5塊以後,過兩年以後整個到座面積瞬間暴增,暴增了以後民糧的價格往下降所以相對對農民來講是不利的你看這12年來你看種植的面積降了多少?43.66收穫的面積降了43.66產量也少了36.61啊產量是增加的 |
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這10年來的稻米的產量是增加嗎?給我一個詳細資料好不好?這是我辦公室追溯的東西。不過至少在耕種上顯然他們因為你一直沒有漲,他一直往下降對不對?你能不能再一直提高?一直到我們倒做四卷山以後才開始往下降。從過去的...又降,後來又降,所以這應該要調啦。你為什麼只有看到漲的,為什麼看到降的呢?那個降是因為我們政策推動倒做四卷山從27萬降到23萬多。 |
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那過去從那時候調高5塊的時候他從24萬到25萬公頃變成27萬公頃 我知道啦你剛才報告我有看你有統計了5年嘛我現在進一步統計了12年給你看每次漲完之後漲了一點點可是後來就掉下來嘛 你要長期來看啊 我們是用長期的那就是長期就是已經降下來 沒有都提高到27萬公頃左右 |
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一直到我們政策推動試選單才降到23、24還包括我們現在的目前的這些停慣的部長你是今天的回答你就是堅持不調漲就對了我想在總時訓的時候院長也曾經承諾我們會做整個稻穀的這個價格相關的一個整體的評估那整體的評估不代表就是一定我們一定是找到對農民的收益最有幫助的方案 |
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你今年你在座的所有的所有的所有的觀念有沒有調清我還是跟委員說沒有我讓他基本工資漲那麼多這是一個common sense啊農民都已經這樣要求因為我們公糧收購有一定的價格像2000公一起做2000公頃是26塊但是你如果說民糧的每百台間到2092塊的時候他就已經超過了我們的那個輔導收購價 |
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那相對的民糧的價格拉高的時候對農民才是有實質的幫助我了解我了解這是我們共同碰到問題,我們是要幫農民解決問題,對不對?你是農業部長啊,好不好?聽到這個心聲,你們把比較詳細的整個評估,更重要的更重要的 |
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請禮 |
| transcript.whisperx[201].start |
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謝謝主席。本席想邀請部長。 |
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委員部長工糧收購的問題大家不分藍綠白大家一直關心因為農民不斷地在吶喊因此工糧收購的價格從2011年調漲過一次至今12年沒去期間我們的物價已經上漲15%人工、肥料、農業資產這些成本 |
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農民耕作利益嚴重的縮水所以我給你一個數字2000年的時候陳水扁總統就職基本工資是多少一萬五千八百四十塊2007年調整到一萬七千兩百八十塊薪資調高一千四百四十元稻穀收購的價格稻穀價格調高兩塊 |
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2008年馬英九總統就任到2016年基本工資調到兩萬零八塊調高兩千七百二十八塊道股調價五塊2016年蔡英文總統的時候就任到2024年基本工資調到兩萬七千四百七十元調高是七千四百六十二但是我們的道股價格竟然調高 |
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沒有辦毛錢身為農業部長你心裡做的感想請做說明謝謝委員那我想整個的一個稻農的收益我們農業部一定是全力支持的全力支持人家就調那麼多你沒辦法怎麼說明請怎麼說明協助我們的農民整個稻谷的一個收購的部分分為兩個部分一個是公糧一個是我們產地的民糧那民糧的收購大概佔70%公糧只佔30% |
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這個你已經說明了無限次但是人民仍舊吶喊所以本席你繼續要回答之前本席要請問你你是否認為公糧收購價格有提高的必要性來確保農民耕作的一個基本利潤我想我們會做整體評估但是我們會以整體最後讓農民收益提高為目標 |
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結果論是要提高但是人民在吶喊所以這個過程當中我們很多的委員不分藍綠白大家一起在吶喊替農民吶喊也就是公糧已經12年未調漲所以目前工資物價 |
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現在多少?26塊,調高為38塊這是我們具體的要求請教部長 |
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我想我提供一個數據就是在今年度本身因為我們的產地的稻穀價格平均到1063我們的公糧收購反而從去年的36.6萬降低到28.7萬表示說我們那個產地價格的提升那會引導農民去繳交民糧那繳交民糧他的收益會更好 |
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這個是部長你一方的說法但是我們聽到的就不是如此我們是看全方位的我們以實際的數字來看十二年沒有掉一公分二十六個沒掉所以本期在這邊具體我再給你一點時間您說你會全方位的這個來了解我再給你一點時間你趕快去了解 |
| transcript.whisperx[211].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[211].text |
多久講? |
| transcript.whisperx[212].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[212].end |
6324.653 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].text |
2個月 |
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方向可不可以對一個月內告訴我們方案不是方向方向我們已經有了是要照顧農民對不對我先跟委員說不用說因為時間的關係我們一個月內你把你的 |
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方案提出來好不好是我們再來做討論我希望達到本席所說的你支持嘛要照顧農民嘛對不對我們支持喔你支持嘛好所以目標要提升請一個月內告訴本席喔我們支持農民所得要提高好對支持農民所得要提高所以我要謝謝你但是你要一個月內告訴我們答案 |
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我們一起加油好接下來本席要請教你的那個讓雞展翅國際聯盟在針對我們17個國家呢廢除淡雞籠的飼養方式非雞籠的轉型措施淡雞動物福利規範的這個三大項那在這個31項裡頭呢台灣排行第6所以本席要具體來請教請教 |
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| transcript.whisperx[216].end |
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您去年這個蛋黃啊到現在我們要摧毀的蛋什麼時候會摧毀你冰在冷凍庫又浪費了人民的血汗錢多少錢請問你要摧毀的蛋什麼時候會摧毀我跟委員說明我們在去年年底已經完成招標請告訴我答案 |
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| transcript.whisperx[217].end |
6433.961 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
今天進口但是中央的職權我們給你尊重但是要摧毀也是中央的責任今天如果 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[218].end |
6486.239 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
這麼多的理由一直放在冷凍庫要浪費我們的血汗錢、稅金錢這個人民會唾棄的、不認同的趕快去做好不好?趕快去做好不好?接下來本校請問因為我們去年凍寶汁成立之後我們明明都已經要改善氮基飼養的環境但是成效不彰你到底碰到了什麼問題?立法院全力支持你的預算勒進度如何?請做說明 |
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部長,你先不要回答。以你的邏輯,任何事情玩不了。 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
你每一個年要摧毀蛋因為怎麼樣怎麼樣我說我們第一法院權力的預算也是你們提出來預算權力支持你到現在成效不彰你還跟我講中間因為怎麼樣怎麼樣那我們人民情何以堪啊 |
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| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[221].text |
所以我們一直在協調這個過程希望說能夠讓整個琴社的改建的部分能夠順利你請順利資料給本席因為本席非常的希望必須要從根去解決才不會衍生後續很多的問題好不好你順利資料給本席預算全數給 |
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| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
方案也是你們提的竟然成效不彰你應該要去討論問題在哪裡如何可以簡化加速這才是我們要聽的啊 對不對沒有那個政府自己拿政策預算立法院全給然後你執行不了這該當出了什麼問題啊所以我們在現在跟地方政府跟他們共同的在協助讓他的那個後面的這些阻擋的效果 |
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| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
但是不行這樣啦!你不行這樣去有白色的!你們這樣欺負老百姓,什麼都推給地方政府!不行如此的啦!對不對?一個政策一起努力是可以啦!但是不可以推給地方政府!我們要從根去解決!這一項本是非常重視!來! |
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在2050年淨零轉型的目標你們提早10年2040年的農業淨零目前你的主軸包括減量、增匯循環以及綠區市我給你讚賞但是本期要請教我們投注了10億元的經費要推動農業科技研究對不對?是 |
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已經一年了你投注了這10億包括了固碳方法、碳匯等你要一步一步的達成目標但是本席想請教在碳匯的主軸最重要的提起到海洋碳匯的這個燃炭有巨大的權利那日本、美國都已經積極的部署你們有匯集哪些單位?請教 |
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部長 |
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目前世界上爭取,我們政府的橫向組織都沒有,所以本期看到你們的努力,但是如果這依照你們目前的方向是成效不彰的,本期軍議體給你建議,你必須跟海委會,必須跟環境部,必須跟國科會 |
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他所轄下的法人國家實驗研究院﹐臺灣海洋科技研究中心等相關單位﹐你去整合國家的資源才不會浪費我們的稅金錢啊 |
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委員會長 |
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李玉琳委員請做詢問陳部長 |
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委員長部長如果會升級為農業部我們希望我們整個部裡能夠成長在你們具體的所有事務裡面成年老案你們應該更加積極的來解決 |
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所以我們在我們的委員會裡面才會提出討論所以希望你們要進度在解決問題不是用口說沒有法院我們是幫你們解決法院所以我請你們要認真一點 |
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接下來本席要跟您討論的就是去年3月的時候在我們桃園新竹這邊有六福村這個動物這個東非的這個廢廢逃脫在動物園逃脫出來在這邊在我們桃園、龍潭、新屋、楊梅跟我們平鎮地區在這邊遊蕩我們等於在圍捕當下有經過了18天才追捕 |
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所以這件事情經過了這快一年的時間我不曉得我們的農業部在這件事情上有做何檢討要怎麼樣去讓我們這個保育類的動物或者在動物園逃脫的動物我們有沒有主責專責的單位在發聲之下有沒有可以派指揮官在現場不管是我們的整個進度SOP還是說潛獵人 |
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用違補還是違殺的情形我們必須要明確的資訊才會造成遺憾對不對?所以這件事情的話主責單位應該是誰?我想這整個事件因為是屬於地方政府的主責然後中央政府會來協助那第二個部分跟委員說明就是我們也修現在正在送到立法院要修正的業報法的部分因為過去對於這些 |
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野生動物保育動物逃脫的時候的通報機制並不健全而且沒有任何法則所以我們在修法的過程中已經把這些通報是一定要去處理的那通報完了以後才會有相關的那當然所以發生當下的業主會負責通報跟所有微補的這個費用野保法也是在我們去年的時候你們要送進來的在這次2月23號你們要送進來 |
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你們才送進來在第4會期我們就討論了說第8會期請要送進來拖了一年2月23日才送進來所以本席才要跟你討論包括監察院也有糾正也有彈劾你們所以這一次特別跟你討論就是主責單位是不是應該以我們中央主管機關我們有正確的資訊給地方政府的農業局農業部跟農業局就必須要配合 |
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因為你當下的時候這件事情不是一個個案喔全台灣有幾個動物園如果說動物逃脫的時候沒有承認、沒有人認證這個動物是在我的動物園逃脫的責任會是誰?你來責任他各縣市嗎?沒有人來出來認,處責單位就必須要在中央就必須在林業署對不對?當下第一時間 |
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部長,承擔責任。你要擔當啊。你現在套出來解決這個問題,先來做個微補。如果說這個野生動物是比較凶猛的,有威脅性、有攻擊性,你就當下發生在哪裡,它的足跡在哪裡,馬上就要來搜尋。 |
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這個就是一起配合不要推卸責任中央地方就要來一起圍捕這個逃脫的動物當然要加強就是合作我現在跟你討論是組織單位當然在哪個縣市發生當然那個縣市就要來負責所以 |
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部長我希望你們要有態度出來為什麼我說要主責單位你可以有正確的資訊給這個獵人到底是你要圍捕還是獵殺這個要很正確啊不是課程你們責任要隨機承擔解決問題成年老案都要解決就要有擔當的政府政府要做我們的地方做我們的後盾才能夠把問題解決不能一直在推給地方是不是我想我想 |
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未來這個案件我們也經過檢討相關的更嚴謹的SOP中央絕對不是只是所以我們中央就是主責單位把所有的訊息資訊都要給地方大家共同來負責好不好接下來我要跟你談剛剛講的我們的這個野保法本來在第8會期之前就要送進來了這個是陳吉仲部長之前答應的結果拖到今年的2月23送進立法院拖了一年的時間請問部長 |
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這一年的時間到底有什麼事情沒有解決卡住了我想在這個葉寶寶的修正裡面有幾個重點第一個售假的部分那時候有很多人不了解說我們的售假是傳統售假其他的套走是可以的售假就是鐵製的售假這都是有傷害的啊相對的就是有很多人不了解他就會有很多質疑所以我們辦了非常多的這些說明會那第二個辦了一年的說明會啊沒有 |
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我們還有很多那另外針對比較有一點就是針對原住民的部分我們尊重大法官的解釋要尊重原住民本身的話所以在這個溝通上面我們讓整個法案你終於送進來了我們覺得很慶幸你終於送進來了所以最重要是要禁用售假的問題我們基於我們保護動物的這個一個觀念這個理念大家請問一下野保法送進來了動保法呢 |
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動保法也是去年4月28日那個時候我們農業部就已經有預告了嘛對於我們在強化我們事主的這個責任跟我們保護動物的原則這部分請問動保法什麼時候送進來動保法在我們內部的溝通也都完成還沒送到行政院在今年的部分我們在這期會送到立法院已經快一年了 |
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7141.643 |
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三月底才送進行政院到立法院?三月底可以送進來嗎? |
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7150.185 |
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應該沒有,我們創造行政院,行政院會審核完了以後就會出來好,就是這個會期就一定會送進來對,我們小潮都跟各位說4月28就滿一年了希望你們能夠盡快送進來我們希望所有的不管是野保動物或者是我們的所有動物都會獲得到這個保護今天特別提這個問題就是希望把爭議能夠解決不要把案子一直放下去尤其是我們立法院將近有80個版本 |
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工糧能量 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].start |
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7210.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].text |
所有的經濟效益都要保障尤其是我們農民的權益政府要做我們農民的後盾在這12年的供養沒有調整部長您知不知道現在因為我們的這個 |
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物價波動現在已經增加到16.33%我們的基本工資已經在17,880元提高到27,470元這人工肥料跟我們農業的生產這個資材的成本不斷的上升這個各項的評估成本的上升裡面 |
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我們農民耕作的利率一直被減少部長你在回答前面的委員都講說我們要保障農民的利率你如何保障你說你會保障不是口說無憑尤其是你說如果抬高價錢的話會議上滯銷會議上過剩這過剩就是我們政府的責任啊你沒有總量盤制嗎 |
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您沒有轉跟跟做的問題嗎?你可以增加外銷、拓展外銷去來補儲這個我們這個國內的這個產值啊是不是這樣子呢? |
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從100年的經驗他原來提高了5塊以後他的耕作面積拉到從25拉到27萬多了2萬多公頃所以他後來的這些民糧的收購所以部長您說我們只要抬高價錢的話就會大家踴躍的去耕作我們這稻米水稻米所以你就要總量管制在這麼多年來經過這12年來你沒有總量管制嗎你不是一直轉座嗎轉根嗎修根嗎 |
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7299.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
所以﹗ |
| transcript.whisperx[255].start |
7322.691 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
7348.764 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
我剛剛我們的招委也特別提到了給你一個月的時間我希望你提出來的是支持的態度你支持的態度就是要讓我們供糧來漲價供糧漲多少我們招委剛剛講12塊錢我們從逐步滾動式檢討慢慢調漲這些我都會支持但是一定要漲一定要漲這是鼓勵農民增加利潤唯一的方法 |
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7350.097 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
7351.698 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
我會用客觀的一個數據跟政策的分析 |
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7380.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
瞭解 |
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7432.255 |
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好 謝謝接下來我們請蔡議員委員請做詢答謝謝主席 那有請部長我們再請陳部長 |
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部長好部長那個淨零碳排吼我們現在農業部吼力拼要提早10年啊所以這個淨零碳排當然包括減量、增匯、循環、濾漆、濾漆室那我想要問部長就是說啊教練這樣這個幾回吼 |
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那未來農民要怎麼在進行碳排的時候包括農漁民那可以變成他們利用增匯來增加所謂農業的一個價值這個附加價值阿你那個價值是什麼 |
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我跟委員報告他特別在減量跟增會的部分跟農民有關的就是農地的一個土壤的管理的辦法那那個是農地的土壤管理辦法的相關的這些規範我們已經規劃好也送到環境部那邊包括森林包括海洋我們更重要就是說 |
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對啦,我就是很期待這個阿 |
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7536.525 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
所以我覺得這個是要趕快去推動的嘛﹖比如說它的價值嘛﹖它怎麼用這樣去換匯的那個方式嘛﹖我減碳那我看現在高雄也成立了我們的這個碳源交易所嘛﹖碳源交易所也開始在做那個方法學的研究那你們現在送了幾個方法學我們現在送的應該是三個已經送到那個環境部去然後還有四個已經我們已經快要完成了那這三個是什麼 |
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那三個就是森林、竹林跟土壤森林、竹林跟土壤,森林就是包括我們說的嘛,包括林下經濟嘛,包括他去平地造林嘛,平地造林,然後他種樹要種有好的樹嘛對,然後他要怎麼去產生他的價值嘛 |
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7557.967 |
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7558.187 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
主席主席 |
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| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
現在就是因為農民如果用一個人一個人的話他的價值並不多而且很麻煩 |
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| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
7625.316 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
﹏﹏﹏ |
| transcript.whisperx[268].start |
7625.416 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
7626.977 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
那不早請問那就海洋的部分 |
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| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
7671.636 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
海洋是一個大家都說很有潛力但是相關的技術都還沒有很成熟那以現在來講我們這邊澎湖的部分有些海藻床海藻床的部分我們現在開始在海藻嘛對不對阿雄我一直在意的就是蚵仔嘛 |
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7675.918 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
7691.129 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
我跟委員報告,柯克本身並沒有碳,因為他的二氧化碳的排放大於他的吸收所以柯克本身他並不是碳的一個淨的吸收者 |
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| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
7706.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[271].text |
所以你覺得牠的牌放在PC手上因為已經成長過程中的消耗掉的二氧化碳有沒有比它固定的還多這個是我們現在的專家研究出來我們要用企鵝仔附加價值的機會就借了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[272].end |
7722.724 |
| transcript.whisperx[272].text |
對,但是相對的,用循環在利用的價值很高,我跟委員報告,過去羅勒康本身只可以做肥料,好不好?我知道現在有這麼多,對,我們都開放了,他可以用來輪胎,輪胎 有人在做水泥壩,也有人在做一些化妝面膜,甚至有 |
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7727.808 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].end |
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把那個蚵粉也可以去做去做那個海水淨化啦現在這就是因為農業部把這個那個用途開放了以後現在有很多所以蚵殼本身的再利用是有錢的好沒關係因為講到了這個牡蠣啦那我要進一步的去講因為現在大概我們從越南進口進來的我們不要說早熟的我們說學發一年大概逐年攀高啦大概在112年的時候已經逼近這一個 |
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每年大概都是用1000公噸在提高的。我看他們112年每個月的分佈。高峰差不多就是在8、9、10、11。 |
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阿如果以這個整個蚵仔的產季齁大概也是在中秋前後大概是那個咱齁蚵仔的產季齁收成量最多的阿抓收成量最多的時候抓進口最多這是什麼道理阿因為咱在吃蚵仔咱也不會分季節阿 |
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我先報告,進俄羅斯的人都對我們本來俄羅斯的產量都很有掌握所以他通常都是在這個產季然後我們國內的產量不足的時候來進口啦所以才會看到這個趨勢當我們的產季然後我們的產量可能受到氣候因素影響產量比較低的時候有沒有他這時候進來他的價格會比較高所以我們現在的目的就是說我要想辦法讓我們的國產的蚵仔 |
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主席 |
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對嗎?對你還吃蚵仔你有去看廣告嗎?那表明說我們外國沒有我們中國有,沒有啦,都在你說當初啦啊我們當初的產季就剛好90月算是最多啊,算是孫晉浩最多我看起來這個就是都要雲霧粉珠啦我覺得這個真的要 |
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你們要用心然後去做好他們進口的 他們進口我們沒辦法中董嘛可是至少我們要做一些管制嘛 不要讓這個進口去影響到了我們在地科農的一個收成這樣好不好 |
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我想非常謝謝委員這個部分我非常重視特別是當我們的那個額外的進口額外我們可以有技術去區分跟國產區分以後我們的台灣額外的標章我們會去加強就去推到那現在比較有問題的可能是 |
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農產品生產驗證管理辦法﹖把它列入散裝食品應該要標示產地的一個法源﹖ |
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那這樣的話你再產生那個傳統市長的話你也要擦牌子你如果你不能去跟人家說那是牌子不然我擔心這一個這一個努力的成績保護在地的蚵仔不要受到進口的衝擊這很重要那抱歉主席都把錢分清了 |
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昨年小選颱風之後,我還是要跟我們整個農業部勾勒啦,你們在推動黃小玉,你們很努力在推動這個,這是轉做雜糧,去年這兩年就追加了一千公頃的玉米面積,我們都賭到,摘下的時候,哇麻煩來了 |
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災害來的,我覺得你們在遇到很多事情的時候在處理的時候都很僵化,我們再一次的小雪林颱風那也災害全面性的,全面性的災害,然後有這麼多我們這裡的農民,他就已經打他,所以他就打補,打補下去,然後去小雪林颱風找打他,所以他就快要新的種子再進補 |
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我還可以找那個帶根的人證明我可以出去我買了兩次種子的證明結果後來就是沒辦法 |
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我覺得他如果以這樣的觀點來說沒差我們在推動黃小玉你看玉米齁種植玉米尤其飼料玉米的齁我之前也有要跟那個書長我有跟他講過嘛我們在那個河川齁差不多我們那個河邊的井有壁的啦齁那個河堤啊齁河川的工地種植玉米的 |
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他們的收入,因為飼料玉米不夠,飼料玉米有時太好賣、太貴,他單價比較低,所以他也沒辦法收入到達了兩萬塊以上的,我們的農會的農保會不認定,然後因為他種植飼料玉米去影響到他的農保資格 |
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這件事也有紮實發生所以我看到就是說我們這麼努力的在推動種植雜糧轉做然後種植轉做黃小玉結果種植雜糧的福利好利益就是比較賣讓大家說我前10年我不會輸次等公民 |
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我覺得這件事我們檢討一下好不好我跟委員報告我現在已經要求運動人齁我們現在利用我們的勘栽的APP像你剛才說的齁他如果說受損了以後他照相啊因為那個軟體是我們農業部開發的他可以標他的點位有那個軟體我知道啊這樣的話那個軟體我知道啊問題就是說有的農民就是老農齁他就不知道我們就直接宣傳他就不知道啊不然他就說啊不然我有八項證明啊 |
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我想我們會研究當然說我們要鼓勵他們去做拍照甚至我覺得我們應該要利用台灣在發展無人機的時候以後類似這種全面性的拍照就無人機去做一次那個 |
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我們會做一件事,不要讓這個慷慨都讓基層的公所人員他們在那邊痛苦萬分,因為他們不知道怎麼認定,好不好?好,我跟他說,我們還有很多事,農業,你們很怕病,但是我們都有很多東西,要替我們的農民來想,盡量讓他們改善就好,這樣好不好?好,謝謝 |
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好 謝謝我們接下來請陳庭菲委員請做詢答那麼我們待會呢因為中午我們不休息那我們到鄭天才委員詢答結束休息5分鐘請各黨團通知你們的這個委員謝謝請發言謝謝莊委我們請部長我們再請部長 |
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部長 這個我們現在農嶼民子女的助學金開始申請了然後一直到4月1號那一天我有向你們來反映就是說私立大專院校學雜費減免政策上路之後然後我們的農嶼民子女的助學金並沒有滾動式檢討所以造成 |
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現在很多人沒有辦法去做這樣的相對申請因為幾乎很多都有受到遭獨施力的都會得到學雜費的減免政策可是在我們農民殖民助學金裡面有一個要點是說你不能得到這個大專院校的學雜費的補助 |
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那麼你才能申請這一個農運民的弱勢助學金所以這個部分你們到底什麼時候要滾動式調整跟委員說明其實我們內部已經有在檢討但是因為基於政府的相關的補助不能重複領取以用助學金的時候我們就沒辦法所以我們現在想辦法用一些獎勵的方式獎學金的概念那這樣的話就可以 |
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但是這有問題啊因為你們這個部分是在先嘛農漁民子女助學金已經是太久的一個時間私立大專院校學雜費減免政策這個是新上路的 |
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是因為你們沒有滾動式檢討那你知道現在有多少的農漁民子女原本有領這個弱勢農漁民子女的一個助學金因為這個政策之後他等於這個也不能領了他等於不能領了 |
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因為整個政府的 現在就是說 雖然說我們比較早 對不對 他們後來新的政策比較晚 那我們就算我們再怎麼滾 滾動檢討的時候 他就只能擇一啦 所以我才會說我現在用不用助學金 不是啊 那你知道你這一個部分你有去計算過 到底有多少人 因為這一個上路而沒辦法拿到這個助學金的 |
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幾乎都是啊,除了他本身,對啊,4萬多人欸,這嚴不嚴重?那4萬多人怎麼辦?怎麼會因為說政府另外向得證,然後搞得我自己助學金沒有辦法申請? |
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那怎麼申請獎學金我們現在避開政府同樣的助學的概念那怎麼申請獎學金因為現在我們從各農會、漁會都得到這個訊息這個訊息跟我們講的就是這麼清楚說有很多他們的農漁民過去有在申請助學金的這些子女現在面臨這個問題啊 |
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所以確實嘛4萬多個人嘛他可以去領另外教育部的部分嘛然後 |
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部長你怎麼會叫他去領教育部的部分現在是你們農漁民子與資助學金原本可以領的變成不能領你怎麼可以讓小孩領教育部啊?他們可以自己選嘛如果他選那邊的話我們用獎學金的方式是我現在是講你相對配套啊配套就是這樣子對啊獎學金要怎麼申請你們還沒提出嘛我們現在在 |
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報告委員,我們會研議讓他不會領獎學期是寵物住學金的問題那這一部分我們會在下學期開申請之前我們會提出方案所以這個學期就沒有了這個學期他是要一般都會選取那個領取那個教育部那一部分的金額比較高當然啊但是那公立學校還是有在領這一部分是啊 |
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部長,4萬多個人不是4千多個人或400多個人4萬多個人這個全國你們怎麼會沒有提早去做因應 |
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然後等到現在大家提出來面對問題了你說下學期那這個學期等於沒有這學期要怎麼補救你們也要想啊因為預算就編在那裡嘛我想我們用這一學期的成績到年底這個成績我們可以來設計在這一學期的部分有沒有辦法用成績的部分就直接獎勵他然後比較正式的好什麼時候要把這個辦法弄出來這個學期辦法一定會出來吧不是 |
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你剛講的下學期用獎學金這沒有問題那這個學期呢你說要用我們的學期分數嗎報告委員就是用這個學期的學期分數在學期到下學年度學期開始之前就可以讓他受理申請 |
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那是補下學期阿我知道 我也有那個意思齁我們會來另外想辦法在這一期剛好是空窗期的部分嘛對啊 這空窗期阿也沒有問題嘛你是不是有一個叫所謂緩衝的辦法就是說你今年對 就是說因為 |
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我們因應施立大專院校學長費減免政策上路的部分然後有一個因為我們的助學金不能重複領取的狀態所以為了要補救不能影響到我們鼓勵這些農漁民子女他們 |
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是不是?了解 |
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我想我可以同意委員的一個建議就是在這個空中期我們另外設計一個獎勵的方案啊是啊正式的是從下個月期開始然後這個月期的這些獎勵方案我們回去再研議看有什麼方案是啊讓我們的從事農漁業的而且也可以說你們在下學期做申請的時候你們因為是以這個學期的對 |
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成績嘛,一併嘛,所以就是兩,變成是兩個學期嘛,損了之後就是兩個學期嘛,那到了明年之後我們就歸於正常嘛,一個學期一個學期申請嘛,這樣就OK啊,好不好,兩個月喔,因為你有兩個月嘛,你也不會活啊,對不對,對你要先公告啊,而且我覺得你兩個月也來不及欸,你這樣公告怎麼會來得及? |
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因為學期我們學期是到6月底啊我們行政規定的話公告就就實施了公告就實施喔你要來得及讓他可以申請喔所以部長我們就這樣子做決定喔做決議喔就是 |
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你們兩個月要提出農漁民子女的獎學金申請辦法去補救我們這一次私立大專院校學雜費減免政策上路之後有 |
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部分農漁民子女因為不能重複領取助學金的這個因素然後受到影響的這個部分我們要來補救這個部分然後在後面的學期部分我們就以獎學金的方式來做一些這個持續鼓勵的動作這樣子好不好 |
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再麻煩兩個月我們這樣子才能夠讓這4萬多個人不會因為說怎麼政策好像沒有辦法接替然後好像沒有辦法去做一些統一的一個處理的方式這個部分麻煩 謝謝 |
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謝謝部長 這個問題我想農業縣的委員都在這裡很感謝陳立委員率先提出因為大家都一直在看看農業部怎麼做所以剛才達成一個共識就是這個助學金未來是改為獎學金的方案 |
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對 所以你們必須要在兩個這個月內你們要提出那個方案然後呢送交這個陳委員以及經濟委員會因為這個是每一個人都很關心維繫到4萬多這個孩子的一個權益嘛好不好如果你在兩個月可以提早你可以提早出來你趕快把方案出來 |
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來來來那邊因為這個很重要因為後面的委員一定都會問我們把它理清楚就成為委員會的一個決議啦跟剛剛公了的一樣啦我們大概在一個多月之內完成一個規劃我們還沒有公告之前先跟委員這邊做溝通先送到經濟委員會來 |
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讓委員會了解有什麼修改的、維繫的意見完了以後我們報約完了以後就馬上就公告了好不好那我們是不是就這個議題今天呢到這裡因為經濟委員會都是非常的那個和諧的我們有兩個議題啦到目前為止第一個就公糧的這個部分一個月內 |
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你們要送你們的方案出來然後送到經濟委員會來這第一個那第二個就是我們這個農民民的這4萬多個孩子的一個權益那也請你們在一個半月你一個半月先弄出來然後送到經濟委員會我們再協調一下OK然後再正式來公告好不好這樣子會比較好這樣OK嗎好那我們這兩項就做這樣的一個決議齁 |
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對對對沒有邀送給經濟委員會主席來這邊宣布啦好不好那就這樣好不好陳委員謝謝喔那待會有同樣的議題這個議題我們就已經做這樣的這個經濟委員會的決議好嗎謝謝接下來我們請鄭天才委員請做巡打謝謝 |
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議事主任,請協助一下。 |
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主席、各位委員、請部長。我們再請陳部長。部長,有關農民退休儲金。 |
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8874.488 |
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8882.582 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
上一屆完成了法例對於農民退休儲金的制度110年1月1日開始來辦理 |
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立法的一個修法的過程的立法的過程當中也要謝謝這個農業當時的農委會這個對原住民族的這個相關的因為平均移民的關係有配合來做一個處理所以在法制上是有考量到原住民的部分那我們看這個農業部的報告 |
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到112年抵止提繳受益人數約10.4萬人也就覆蓋率為未滿60歲即提繳資格農保備保險人34.6萬人的30%希望你們的期望是 |
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8937.976 |
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8957.707 |
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113年度提交農民退休儲金之覆蓋率目標為35%這個要繼續加油但是我們現在看的是原住民的部分剛才是30%的原住民的部分總共未滿65歲即原住民身份之農保人數13694人 |
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8962.542 |
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提繳農退儲金之原住民人數只有783人而已 這個整個比例才6%跟30點多 30%差距真的是非常的大 |
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我們看這個農民人數最多的我們先照比例花蓮縣有1830人提角的是176占10%是最高的但是距離30%還是落差20%那我們看台東台東是6%南投5% |
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平均更低只有3%這個部長知道原因嗎? |
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我跟委員說明,第一個先謝謝委員支持這樣的一個法案然後第二個部分就是整個農民的退休儲金都是透過農會在宣導我知道我覺得很多的,我們了解很多的大部分的原因是因為農會的推廣本身可能還需要再加強 |
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9070 |
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所以這個部分特別是針對原住民的部分我想我們會啟動包括我們試驗改良當中我們有一個原鄉服務團我們會上去讓在受訓的時候在上課在任何機會都要把這個訊息傳遞給我們的原住民然後我們也會透過原鄉地區的這些農會加強相關的一個宣導這個你們要加強宣導是一定要的然後怎麼樣去了解為什麼 |
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9071.347 |
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9078.931 |
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為什麼會比例這麼低?他們的考量是什麼?有什麼樣的考量?還是怎麼樣?順便了解這個相關的問題。我們會收集相關的資料。繼續加油。好。 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].start |
9099.98 |
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9126.559 |
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我們看這個延期法第19條這個零務集現在叫零業署零業保衛署延期法19條延住民得債延住民主第7以這個水保署的業務的話就是採集野生植物集我現在談這個部分那森林法現在的森林法 |
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從9393公布到現在生靈為原住民族傳統領域土地者得採取生靈產物,原住民得依其慣俗需要採取生靈產物 |
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因為一直沒有修了所以這個本席在原住民族基本法第34條104年修正的這個增加第二項法律還沒有修的時候可以解釋這是延期法30條第二項也謝謝當時的農委會也配合依延期法這個34條第二項做了解釋 |
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把這個所謂的傳統禮儀解釋為原住民主第7但是畢竟一直透過解釋是還是要修法還是要修法還是要把這個原基法還是要配合原基法第19條去修森林法第15條有什麼困難嗎? |
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委員所講的這個我們非常認同那也會在我們修法的這個部分納入未來不會再是只傳統領域好這個就既然解釋也都解釋了就把它法制化 |
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9219.444 |
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最後一個議題,農業發展條例第三條,農業用地指非都市土地或都市土地農業區保護區範圍,然後要興建農舍的話,有規定面積不得小於0.25公頃。 |
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9239.185 |
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9267.926 |
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農舍用地面積不得超過該農業用地10%這樣的一個規定然後這個都市計畫法臺灣省施行細則29條第二項也規定都是一樣的規定我們的重點在哪裡呢這個相關的這些都是都是需要這樣大的面積我們就舉一個我們原住民族的困境在哪裡呢 |
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我就擠這個一個部落,列兩部落這個被列為化為我們的部落被化為都市計劃區的農業區部落都市計劃的農業區然後這個農業區因為是農業區這一筆土地2292.13平方公尺 |
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很大的面積但是只能蓋一間農舍蓋一間農舍所以當我很多農舍的興建像宜蘭之前以前一直被勾變嘛那是另外一個問題但是對於原住民族的部落部落因為都是被化為都市計畫的農業區或者是非都市土地的 |
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農業用地甚至林業用地甚至是我們的部落被化為在這樣的一個情況之下怎麼樣去解決因為這麼大的面積只能蓋一間農舍事實上我們兄弟姐妹分家就沒辦法蓋所以我是建議要請農業部能夠支持 |
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原住民族部落的範圍內的農業區的或者是農業用地他要興建自用住宅的土地得化設為建地當然這個前者會涉及到內政部啦會涉及到內政部國土計劃法、區計劃法、都市計劃法所以這樣的一個議題要請農業部未來能夠支持可以嗎 |
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我跟委員說明喔,如果您剛才講的部落是聚集的部分,未來在國土計畫的話,它會被劃分為農事那劃為農事的話大概就可以解決這個問題 |
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9401.371 |
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9419.537 |
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現在是這樣子,我知道每次的回答都是國土計劃法,但是一直遙遙無幾,所以這個部分...現在看地方政府,因為聚落如果聚集在一起的時候,特別是部落的部分,它可以化為國事,因為現在地方政府在公展它的國土計劃圖 |
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9421.218 |
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9449.203 |
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然後相關的意見這時候都可以去陳述那後續我們中央在審查的時候我們也會考量特別考量這一點所以我說你們要特別支持好好謝謝好謝謝好那我們張家俊委員尋答結束我們就休息5分鐘來請張家俊委員請做尋答尋答之前剛剛那個主委有特別說看地方政府因為我們早上還有一個議題就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].start |
9451.121 |
| transcript.whisperx[348].end |
9480.519 |
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但消費的你們現在4千萬要地方政府但是地方政府呢有很多他沒有化製廠你的蛋殼跟蛋液蛋液沒有辦法去那個混化爐所以這個你們變成沒關係本期就是希望不要都一直做地方政府你們要針對那個議題去解決問題才不會一直拖我們拖一天你的電費又要花多少錢好不好我們也希望去把問題理清真正有答案嘛 |
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| transcript.whisperx[349].end |
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主席我想請部長好我們再請陳部長部長我想您是從基層做起能夠擔任到部長也非常的不容易那本席對你也有非常大的一個期待我想先首先請問你因為今天大家一直都在問你公糧收購你個人對於公糧收購是什麼樣的一個看法 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].start |
9509.895 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].end |
9510.036 |
| transcript.whisperx[350].text |
為說明齁其實 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].start |
9512.526 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].end |
9541.127 |
| transcript.whisperx[351].text |
就農業部來講對於稻農本身我們一直希望透過不同的政策能夠讓稻農的所得提高那本席先問你您記得最後一次上一次公糧收購是什麼時候100年提高100年嘛所以已經13年沒有提高了100年的時候就是本席在經濟委員會提出要這個提高公糧收購的價格那您知道 |
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9542.543 |
| transcript.whisperx[352].end |
9544.904 |
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今年基本工資是多少嗎?不知道27470你知道從100年到現在基本工資漲了多少嗎?你不知道沒關係本席告訴你超過 |
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9565.734 |
| transcript.whisperx[353].end |
9581.614 |
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五十趴五十三點六三趴所以這十三年來我們公糧的收購的價格一直維持在二十六元你覺得這有照顧到農民嗎這有站在農民的立場思考嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[354].start |
9582.871 |
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9596.62 |
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我跟委員說明喔,基本公司的條章這是一件事情,但是我們我再繼續問你,你知道13年前央苗一盤是多少錢嗎?你知道今年央苗一盤是多少錢嗎?不知道 |
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9600.057 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].end |
9613.127 |
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所以部長我真的希望你可以好好地瞭解基層農民的需求本席告訴你13年前央苗一盤是28塊至30塊今年央苗一盤是40塊漲了33%那本席再問你13年前插央費一分地多少錢你知道嗎 |
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9628.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].end |
9630.291 |
| transcript.whisperx[356].text |
那你知道肥料 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].start |
9658.738 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].end |
9684.17 |
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從100年到現在,漲了多少嗎?漲了啦,肥料、農藥都漲了兩三成我沒有特別要你去解釋,我只要告訴你說這麼多資材都漲了我們公糧收購都沒有漲所以你贊不贊成公糧收購應該要調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].start |
9686.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].end |
9688.401 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].text |
我想要知道部長你跟那個院長同不同調 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].start |
9711.187 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].end |
9735.027 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].text |
我想當時我也在院長旁邊 我們會後也聽了整個院長的一個答詢 院長是說我們會整體的去做評估讓公糧跟食糧都可以提高 這個我接下來再問部長 部長如果你對公糧收購不夠了解的話 你要怎麼調整呢 你要怎麼理解說 農民對於公糧收購價錢提高的期待呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].start |
9735.968 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].end |
9737.549 |
| transcript.whisperx[360].text |
工糧收購分為幾種?計劃輔導餘糧然後以去年為例收購的數量每公頃多少?價格多少?我想去年的工糧的收購是28.7萬公頃 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].start |
9764.417 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].end |
9773.631 |
| transcript.whisperx[361].text |
那我現在想要知道的是說過去在2019年陳吉仲他曾經提起說要增加餘糧收購的這個數量 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].start |
9778.563 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].end |
9784.006 |
| transcript.whisperx[362].text |
這個部分那時候你們的新聞稿說擴大公糧收購是支撐糧價帶動2000億的社會效益那因為民間糧商收購價格會以公糧收購價格為基準那所以呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].start |
9796.415 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].end |
9803.801 |
| transcript.whisperx[363].text |
有益於讓農民的收入增高那本席也想問你啊現在有網軍側議說提高公糧收購的價格是圖利中間商我想請問一下部長這是怎麼一個圖利方式 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].start |
9811.164 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].end |
9836.097 |
| transcript.whisperx[364].text |
我想跟委員說明如果說我們要去保障或是提高稻農的收入要看整個稻谷的買賣我想要問你提高工糧收購的價格是圖利中間商嗎?是嗎?我沒有看到那個新聞就是說他新聞的內容是怎麼寫我不是很清楚提高工糧收購本身它是可能的政策之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].start |
9838.498 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].end |
9842.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[365].text |
那你覺得公糧收購制度是不是有圖利中間商我想這是兩碼子的事因為他已經實行50年了假設他是圖利中間商的話就是說我們政府已經圖利中間商50年了嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].start |
9858.021 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].end |
9867.368 |
| transcript.whisperx[366].text |
所以我剛才說公糧收購是當年度為了保障因為稻米是我們的糧食安全組必須要的所以我只想問你這個網軍側翼說提高公糧收購就是在圖利中間商不是在照顧農民這個你同意嗎?你有打算要照顧農民嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[367].start |
9880.373 |
| transcript.whisperx[367].end |
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我當然以我們農業部的立場我們一定是照顧農民的啊是啊 所以請本席在這裡特別要求部長能夠提高公糧收購的價格今天我們經濟委員會做出的提案是提高12塊那本席也有一個提案是提高10塊那不管是10塊、12塊希望部長都可以重視公糧收購價格提高就是在落實照顧農民而不是在圖利中間商我覺得 |
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非常的可惡就是說不了解農業的內容不了解農民的需要就是一味的在打擊說這個公糧收購價格這個公糧收購制度對於農民是沒有幫助的這個完全沒辦法接受所以部長今天本席在這裡為什麼問你說這個制度是圖利中間商嗎我相信你應該也是不贊成這個說法的吧 |
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我想公糧收購有它的歷史那我再問一下說那如果假設2019年陳吉仲主委他還是在圖利中間商嗎2019那年比較相對特殊因為那年的產量特別高所以我就問你啊他是在圖利中間商嗎 |
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我剛才已經說過了公糧收購跟這個意思我剛才已經說過了公糧收購跟這個意思 |
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好 謝謝我們休息5分鐘 |
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﹗ |
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好,我們繼續開會請邱志偉委員請做詢答而且主席有請農業部陳部長我們再請陳部長另外一個是張署長張署長 |
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部長,我們就是針對這個去年度我們通過這個議後特別條例各部會都有這個議後特別條例相關的預算編列農委會整個議後條例是3800億的預算規模農委會分到多少預算? |
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268號,去年度執行狀況大概有8項,包括水資源儲存、農田水利建設等等、任性漁港建設、農村送滿方案 |
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這些去年執行了多少經費?因為這個大概是3年度嘛,到115年嘛。我們漁港的經費大概是3年是19億啦,然後在今年度我們會編列大概10億左右。變成10億,我希望齁,這個我的選區你也知道,你也很熟,那張叔也知道齁,這個包括從紫光到彌陀、永安到這個協定。 |
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那我們這個把這個彌陀漁港打造成全國這個前三大的魅力漁港那漁港的設施也改善我希望下一波針對永安的部分你們能夠用這筆預算來支持另外一樣協定那些碼頭的設施改善 |
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．4月6日及7日三天一次會議 |
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這四個漁港你都很熟嘛,我也跟你去過大概十來次了,四個漁船都扮演這個非常重要的養殖業或者是沿海漁撈所以漁港的設施非常重要,我拜託是不是能夠善用這筆預算把這四個漁港的建設能夠提升 |
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市長,謝謝委員的關心。確實如您所說的,我經常陪委員到地方去了解實際的情景。這四個漁港確實是非常的重要,尤其在高雄的沿近海地區。這四個漁港我們大概就會全力來投入,包括 |
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米妥包括指官,然後包括永安,甚至包括新大陸,我們大概會投入我來拜託這個署長是不是利用週末時間你下降一下去跟這四個區的漁會他們山巨頭或者漁會的代表做一個座談怎麼樣這個針對這個漁業政策或者漁民權益或者漁港建設做一個座談會,可以嗎? |
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沒有問題,然後委員會跟委員辦公室那邊來聯繫這個會麻煩你,同樣是農會的部分選區有8區,有8個區的農會現在沒有副部長是不是哪一位可以指派一個同仁所以相關的我們主管到我選區包括鹿竹、橋頭、湖內、鋼山農會還有4個沿海區的農會 |
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這八卷農會做一個對農業政策以及對這個農民權益相關的座談會這可以嗎?這可以嗎?我想我會請那個佛老師這邊因為我們進級就會跟農業會這邊還有跟漁業署一起那當然我一定參加我會來招集協助招集那我請相關的部會相關的這個農業部的相關的局處來一起來參加我們做一個盤點 |
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另外就是你編268億這個去年度的執行狀況以及今年度的這個預算編列情形是不是可以提供一下資料給我好我想我們會後會提供那我想要跟委員說明的就是說因為議後特別預算只有到明年就結束了所以一定要齁那個工程包括您剛才講的這些漁港的這些工程齁如果它能夠完工一定我們一定會盡量第一優先支持因為牽涉到一些相關的工程的經費還有它的進度的問題 |
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好,這部分我希望說你們能夠有個詳細的計畫跟這個相關的期程我們再提供給委員這268應該善用而且今年是102億另外這個所謂農業部我們在經濟部最近在針對這個電價在做調整的過程中農業部好像沒有這個相關的代表在裡面在這個電價審議委員會 |
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是,我想我們目前就是我們透過另外的平台機制去瞭解整個電價的一個可能的調整你不用去透過其他機制你應該有一個農業部的代表去加入再進入這個審議委員會這個設置要點等那個經濟部來做這個施政報告的時候我再做一個提案這個設置是15到17人由經濟部長聘請相關的這個機關代表 |
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我看了一下竟然沒有這個農業部的代表這個你們要主動去爭取我想我再跟經濟部部長協調一下我也會要求部長或者是院長一定要有農業部的代表否則你沒辦法為這個農業或者漁業的這個用電戶來發聲嘛這樣對他們是比較弱勢的 |
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所以過去不論從2023的3月我們也維持農業的這個動漲對不對對2023的9月也是一樣維持店家不調整動漲對不對是那現在馬上又來了 |
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我很擔心說這一次你們沒有代表在裡面,會不會把我們這個農業的這個電價做一些調整?雖然說我目前並沒有在那個委會裡面,但是我們也透過管道去表達我們農業部﹖你沒有安裝就對了是吧?不是安裝,我們是另外一個洗澡機制,我們也表達農業部本身對農業用電本身,我們希望說它能夠維持動長 |
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好 這個問題你已經有表達了那長久之際一定要有農業部的代表這我會協助你們爭取那你要跟這個院長表示的確有這個需求那另外農會的水產加工廠試用農業動力用電優惠的這個修法的進度現在目前怎麼樣這個修法我這個已經協調過好幾次 |
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那目前最新進度如何呢?我想這個部分我們能夠持續我們現在針對農業動力用電的一個標準裡面那個修正草案裡面現在已經 |
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已經在行政院那邊希望說透過跨部會部分然後看看可不可以有一個比較好的一個方案出來現在還在研議我去年3月就請農業部來檢討修法您把草案送行政院那行政院也叫你們在做確保秘書長也有召開會議的對 那目前你們在補充的資料送到這個行政院了沒 |
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我希望能夠盡快的定案這個所謂的漁會的水管交通廠這個適用的東西優惠的辦法一定要趕快出爐定案這樣子對漁會的運作才能讓他們能夠安心另外這個 |
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親熱碼頭你去過嗎?去過親熱碼頭最近有去過嗎?大概2個月前吧阿你覺得狀況怎麼樣?還是有點亂不是有點亂 經濟秘的阿我每天都在那裡玩曾經有一段是有風華 有一段是還在那邊辦國慶煙火 對不對吸引很多人潮 這個過去的願景是說北部有這個親熱碼頭 南部有親熱碼頭 |
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那我現在看到這個整個旗艦碼頭當然市政府、漁業局、海洋局也扮演的一定的角色在做規劃但是很多地是屬於漁業署跟國產署的地你說整體做一個休閒遊棄的規劃我覺得應該是由你們來這個做一個統籌的單位來協調國產署來協調這個海洋局因為大部分地是屬於漁業署的地嘛 |
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現在我基本上大部分的過去所蓋的這些設施或者這個建物基本上都閒置不只閒置 有點荒廢那以前的一些木棧道這些基礎設施也都年久失修了 阿那什麼東西他可以看到很多很漂亮的西洋美景 也有很多海岸風光過去的設施都沒有維護 這個建築物也沒有繼續使用 |
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你們願意看到這個狀況繼續衰敗下去嗎?我想以農業部的立場來講其實漁港本身是農村的一個生活的中心休閒漁港本身或休閒區本身是應該是要有一個整體的規劃那過去因為地的關係上面的這些建築可能是由不同部會或者去處理的部分所以我想後續我想我會再跟漁業組針對這個部分我們開一個交通會議看看怎麼樣去做整體的一個處理 |
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時間關係因為已經響鈴了作為質詢要尊重行政部門一定要行政跟立法是平行的絕對不是上對下的我不能說我要講多久就講多久做資深議員資深的國務院要做之前的國務院的表率所以我質詢到此剩下資料 |
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接下來我們請鄭政權委員請做詢答 謝謝 |
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主席好,我想請一下代理部長好,我們再請陳部長陳代理部長好,我首先想問一下這是我第一次在經濟委員會的一個這樣的質詢我想說首先先問一個有關於外展的要點相關的問題 |
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我看農業部這邊的資料目前台灣農業常態缺工大概有1.2萬人那季節性臨時缺工有20.1萬人目前的時候我們要補這樣子的一個勞動力不足的情況的時候 |
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透過移工這邊來做一個補充那我們目前整個開放名額在整個自聘的部分有9000人那外展農務的部分有3000人那核定出來的狀態就是在整個自聘的部分不到5000那麼外展農務的部分2600人那實際的狀態又更低實際的狀態又更低所以我們整個看起來的情況就是說整個在農業這個部分能力不足的情況其實是非常明顯的 |
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目前整個那個 |
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我看到那個移民署最新的一個數字大概2月20號的一個統計數字就是我們目前失聯一共有85,947人那可能有相當大的一個量可能都在農業相關的一個 |
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| transcript.whisperx[405].text |
外展農務機構 |
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農民團體、漁民團體、一些協會就是一些非營利組織可是問題是他們我剛給看的數字說事實上我們整個外展農務這邊開放出來的名額跟實際 |
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：立法院第11屆第1會期經濟委員會． |
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基本上農業部的立場還是希望因為我們農業部本身的整個的一個網絡的關係還是以農會跟一些比較大小的合作社長為主那一般的就業服務中心他純粹只是幫你幫你仲介他對於農業不了解的時候他後續可能對於 |
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因為外等是調度服務所以說目前的狀態就是農會跟漁會因為他們本身對這部分的專業不是不足夠的專業所以他們在處理這部分其實也沒有辦法真正的滿足所以我剛剛為什麼提到一個將近8萬6千個一個失業移工的一個狀態目前一個相關單位他們的一個說法是因為目前這個部分的失業移工很多都在農業部門裡頭 |
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農業部門裡頭所以事實上他們也擔心處理這個部分的時候會影響到整個農業部門的一個發展所以他們對這部分其實相對保留的所以本席這邊先提出這個問題就對於農業部是不是可以開放救福機構來進行就是外展農務的一個相關業務請回去再做一個探討再跟本席辦公室這邊來做一個討論另外一個部分就是因為現在的一個移工他們有 |
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要滿足就是牢機法的問題可是農業的一個性質它有非常大的特殊性農盲跟農閒的部分差距非常的大所以說他們這個部分是不是有可能就是突破牢機法的限制這是第一個第二個部分的時候就是說這些外展的農務的移工的時候他們有沒有可能在農閒的時候有可能去跨行業的去支援其他產業 |
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委員會議 |
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包括其他行業、農、就是上次的時候過來因為你知道所以本席覺得說因為這是目前很具體碰到的問題我希望你做一個跨部會的溝通之後再跟本辦做一個很詳細的溝通或者是我們同時來做一個協調會來看怎麼樣突破這個問題好不好然後接下來本席要問一個狀態就是說因為之前本席在上一屆當中的時候曾經提過有關於那個學校衛生法的一個修法 |
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當時教育部這邊對於本席提到說應該要在校園當中禁用以行獸體數的相關的一個涉及的產品的時候呢那麼教育部他們當時提出來的理由是說因為農業部這邊有三張EQ他們用這個部分來 |
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主旨了我們當時希望能夠修改學校衛生法的部分可是去年又發生了很多混珠的事件而且也被確定是確實有這個狀態所以本席想要問的情況是說對於這樣子三張EQ的部分我們如何去落實 |
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中間發生混珠的狀態那麼在消費者或者學校這邊他們要如何去確定他們用到的狀態是符合三臟EQ安全的部分我跟委員說明一下我們農業部推動的三臟EQ包括農林輿序的產品最重要的就是它能夠有做回溯的這樣的一個機制所以你如果說是符合三臟EQ的部分它一定是確保是由國產的 |
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這個部分 理解喔 這個部分都沒有問題喔可是我的問題其實是說 你回到我們的網頁 這個部分是我們的溯源編號 裡面這個部分它的溯源編號這是我們自己去用的一個部分 那我想問的一個情況是說 如果是供應商 肉品供應商他如果在這裡面 他找到一個溯源編碼的時候 他自己去做 而非真實的一個狀態 我們如何去查核 |
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我想整個的溯源碼你如果經過掃描以後它如果是偽造的話馬上後台的資料帶不出來第二個部分是我們跟學校有一個營養午餐的平台所以學校的這些營養午餐的平台本身的營養是在開的或者是進到學校的營養午餐的部分的所有的聖誕EQ我們都會協助做對接去做一個查核 |
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稍後再到本辦公室做一個說明 |
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去年的時候缺彈非常的嚴重今年還缺不缺彈以今年來看因為我們在去年因為彈的比較急迫需要從國外進口的時候我們也同步針對國內的復養啟動了從除機、總機、彈中機到戰機的整個復養所以今年來看整個復養的情況還不錯有新的這些老母機已經淘汰變成新的一些彈機生產目前本身 |
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大概2414萬顆每一天大概是這樣子所以它本身的蛋的缺乏是我想以目前國產蛋是充足的那我們目前大概還有多少的一個國外的一個供應合約蛋的供應合約目前還在有效期間的我們現在的供應合約都已經終止了都已經終止了 |
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沒有還持續在有效的合約當中的嗎?沒有我們本來的合約是到5月底後來我們都已經因為我們當初的合約有三家是長約的部分然後長約的部分有的已經結束了然後最後一個澳洲的部分我們現在目前因為我們在合約的規範裡面是說 |
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當我們農業部有需要的話才會啟動而不是定期的大概是這個方式所以合約還在嘛對不對只是你們現在沒有去要求他這邊提供嘛對不對所以這就基本上合約還在對就是 |
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澳洲的部分合理還在是中間的中止的狀態而不是最終結束的狀態那針對這部分本席也需要再進一步了解那麼最後一個部分我看到因為現在整個碳的問題其實大家都非常的重視 |
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那麼我看到就是2023我們就是台灣的最新的溫室氣體排放清澈裡面跟農業部這邊有關的糧食系統的一個碳排放的一個部分只有記錄了畜牧業、作物生產兩個部分對於其他的部分都沒有記錄,是這樣子嗎?我要問的狀態是漁業有沒有包含進來? |
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因為現在目前好像沒有嘛 對不對整個生產過程當中加工包裝運輸都沒有包含進來所以本席對於這個部分覺得農業部對於整個碳盤差是不夠的只做一半半套的一個狀態所以本席希望農業部對於碳盤差的狀態能夠更 |
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像英國他們就是從生產到餐桌整個供應鏈都算在碳盤查的裡面臺灣目前沒有那麼我希望之後你們到本辦公室來進一步說明農業部如何進行碳盤查的事情我稍微簡單的說明我們現在的碳盤查整個碳的這些排放的話還是根據國際的IPC的相關的規範在做那整個碳盤查也是從生產端到消費端的部分所以它本身會看到它的 |
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我們農業的供應端就沒有啊中間的加工包裝運送都沒有包含在這裡頭啊還是我們這個溫室氣體的這個資料不完整因為溫室氣體有兩部分一部分是綠色所得障另外一個我們在碳的足跡追動的話從生產到加工到運輸都會把它放進去這個部分我們正在進行OK你們接下來再到本辦公室做進一步的說明好不好好謝謝 |
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陳.首先有請農業部陳部長 |
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委員長陳部長現在是看守內閣啊你什麼時候會增持還是等著新的時候要來當農業部長告訴我一下我從來沒有想過這個問題不是我問你不是你從來有沒有講你也不敢亂講對不對你新有已經有陳武在了大概沒有問題對不對 |
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完全沒有概念完全沒有概念好,為官之道就像你這樣不講但是心中自有打算我今天第一個問題要來請教你我要拜託陳部長就是有關於苗栗的漁業建設那首先就是關於龍鳳漁港直銷中心的改建 |
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那當時你們的大臣部長陳其中他說原則同意非常贊同我的計畫還有你們記得陳次長管理人員也一道氣了那現在他已經離開了我現在只有從大臣轉到小臣的身上我這個三月頂 |
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我們農業縣政府要提出一個這個成果報告我希望你能全力的支持像以前的陳其中部長一樣我們張司長都記得很清楚當知事有答應了不要他人走了你把他的話忘了你們不夠朋友不夠意氣喔 |
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我們農業部還在為支持,等地方政府那個規範送上來的時候已經送上了,這裡面那個漁獲中心2.9億,周邊漁業改善4.6億,一共才7.5億,這7.5億在你們不算大 |
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你看啊,那個高雄的前鎮的漁港花了多少錢?蘭花澳的漁港花了多少錢?無稽漁港花了多少錢?我那個地方非常特殊只有你這個陳部長還沒有下去張司長去了好幾次,我邀你去參觀一下,瞭解一下體制這個政法是具體可行而且是有效果的 |
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我跟委員說明喔,就是我們這裡漁港的建設大概因為漁港有分一類漁港二類漁港那整個漁港大概有220個港口嘛那九個一類漁港,那一類漁港的部分特別是您剛剛提到前陣齁因為它是整個遠洋漁港的一個母基地它的功能跟性質是不一樣的所以我說我們會支持然後看看他所提的規則我跟你講他發揮的效益會很大我從來不亂做事情好不好拜託 |
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不然等一下邱志文說我話講得很長啊再來我推了八年的厚農雜糧專區已經討論了八年已經通過國會審議但是最後被行政院退回我覺得行政院退回的話對我們地方農民的傷害很大 |
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那這咱倆專機8年來我經過部長、農業部長、林業部長、地方共同討論大家都跟我講沒有問題 |
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結果上次審查只有臺南的民主專區過他說陳昌明選立法委員的時候競爭的很激烈藍部可以過苗栗不能過我感覺這就不對了我跟委員說明我們在針對這些產業專區本身特別是由保安理解變的部分絕對不會因為委員個人的當然你是這麼講但是感受不一樣你們當初說陳昌明信誓旦旦突然就跟我改變了 |
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我最先你說的是官方的話我們心中只有我混到背泥捏蔡英文當總統到她要卸任的時候都沒有完成這個效力我要怎麼來講所以剛剛執事委員他說啊他是在野黨他富豪他是執政黨我是在野黨當然我要多講一些啊應該有的到最後都變沒有啊 |
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南部的那個部分大概他也大概來來回回大概10多年了他講經濟效益沒有其實你們不了解沒有期間我們白沙屯的鳳天宮啊白沙屯罵幾年500萬的金箱客他到這邊只有不到1公里 |
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還有好望角觀光風景期也全部在推了將來的效益很大還有你那個保安你不可能給你恢復什麼經濟效益你保安你幾百年來就是這樣子還要恢復種林業吉長在那比較不好意思真的種的不怎麼那個活的好天天農民都來跟我吵架所以部長十一下例我農黨會推出來好不好 |
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我想還是再跟委員說明一下當我們的保安林解編以後變成產業專區我們一個非常重要的前提這個產業專區本身它的必要性那相關的現在的產業專區的必要性跟它的面積其實它佔國內的那個雜糧的比例非常低那保安林還是有保安林存在的必要性所以我們會協助就是說那個地方佔的很小不會啦 幾百人就這樣存在的你這個政府剛剛 |
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我拉幾百年就這樣,你要去恢復也難恢復啊,還要種樹木也種不起來啊,不是我跟您講的,去地方了解一下好不好,我要請那些評審委員下來了解一下。 |
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陳部長,我瞭解你背景。你從農業試驗所一直過來了。怎麼那麼快? |
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沒有關係 出資委我尊重他的說法因為他執政黨 我在野黨 我要多講一些啊 不然我選舉被欺負得很慘你這裡面 |
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裏面有談到一個抗逆境作物示範期你又特別專長我看了除了穩固往事的內容但是這裏面你說開挖調試的機制有93項一層抗耐逆境作物有87種我不看了你拿這87種做抗耐逆境作物因為我這很重視 |
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因為我從偶然一個資料讀到公園院的資料那在苗栗我要求栽種烏角綠栗子省的來栽培現在青龍有種起來他說種的跟義姑的一樣 |
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大概3年才能收成那要試驗它的甜度因為那個植子跟那個植繩的種起來如果海邊能種起來那是整個改變海邊你只能種木馬黃的現象我很重視這個所以這個在這邊啦你要特別的關注一下但是我看你們好像沒東西 |
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我跟委員說明,我也是來自試驗單位,我也非常了解我們國內的試驗單位本身的育種能力,而且他們也的確育出不同的耐逆境的品種,特別在海邊的話可能要耐鹽,還有耐風 |
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那這是小潛颱風的時候 |
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我發覺一個問題本來可以高票當選結果發覺哇這個政府你們農業部把我搞得慘兮兮頭非常痛我們縣裡地區叫做苗栗的農場他那邊的農民他那邊種的稻田每年的時候是苗栗縣排名第一他的隔壁是大安津這次小前颱風來的時候 |
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那個叫大安區好像是大安隔壁那個叫什麼區我們那個厚隆同一個地區大安區有賠償 |
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有農業保險的一個賠償,隔壁的縣里沒有賠償同樣的一個地區,縣里是苗栗的農場結果他說因為以前在報的時候,產量的時候縣里報的太低,大安區報的太高但是我相信我們縣里的時候比大安區還要好 |
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他都是行的,他那些農民不怎麼努力等著土地長,我們這邊是比較農業縣市的,我們院裡的農民種的稻真的是很好,也算苗栗縣最高的一個地,這邊有補償,這邊保險沒有補償,又是那個老問題。 |
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聽說有一個立法委員去選了,你們執政黨的,所以農業保險有補償。我的縣裡第7一會我再選,我算比較直角,結果沒有通過。我現在對一個問題最好瞭解。 |
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鄉鎮公所報的地方到底那個標準不標準我一直要求你們改善每一個地區因為鄉鎮公所有牡蠣跟沒有牡蠣的所以它五年的那個稻穀的產量報出來有的先是隨便亂報我這又問了情形我希望你從中心評估一下 |
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農業保險本身,我們是根據我們的一個平割或全割的產量跟過去5年相比 |
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那5年的資料是農業統計聯報的他是唯一公開的一個資訊啊誰替你報的然後我們本身吼像以院理來講吼雖然他的農業保險領不到但是天然災害救助他有領到天然災害只有一部分的啦他是全箱補償而且我們的取樣點不不不那個部長我安若跟你強調天然災害是我去處理我答應下來我講話算話 |
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你們一直講農業的保險很困難好有災害那大安區沒有災害全鄉補償啊所以那個彥旅鎮的農民都在煩惱說我不夠力我怎麼樣啊報告委員部就算天然災害開了他20%也是鄉公所要去現勘的不是說免現勘啊對啦所以實際有損失的我想整個天然災害就會到位大安區有全鄉損失彥旅鎮就沒有全鄉損失在隔壁捏 |
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謝謝 |
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請陳部長 |
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市長我想先請教一下這個豬肉的問題因為從2月2日臺中市的衛生單位發布這個臺糖的豬肉有瘦肉精之後那經過現在大概經過一個多月了那我想問一下現在就農業的最高主管機關角度臺灣的豬肉現在是不是安全的我想我先回答結論臺灣的豬肉是絕對百分之百安全而且沒有用乙型受體素 |
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那在2月2日案件發生臺東市檢測案件出來的時候其實我們比大家更緊張因為我們是負責整個產業的的一個豬所以我們馬上針對上市前的養豬場 |
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我講專家會議最後 |
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議員． |
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認為到目前的所有的資料沒有證據去顯示我們的臺灣的豬場是有飼養就是有用這個已經受理數當作添加物部長那這樣子到底這事情是怎麼發生的就專家們的看法我想前市場的部分大概專家的一致認為就是從檢測的結果來看是 |
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這個禮拜應該會出來 |
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我瞭解是3月初大 本來說3月初嘛今天已經3月初了實案辦應該會做一些 我跟你說這個事情其實是當然我們經過這樣檢測當然大家對於台灣的豬肉是有信心的啦也都沒有問題的但是總是有一個更確切的出來之後總是一個更科學更用專家的一個調查出來的結果讓國人更加的放心那也同時也瞭解為什麼這事情會這樣子發生啦我們需要確保 |
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台灣的豬肉也確保未來台灣大家食安上的一個安全是大家更有信心的我想食安辦最後會中整兩個部會本身的那我再問一下部長就這件事情這樣的發生有沒有什麼樣的一些標準作業程序上面是出了一些問題可以更加改進的 |
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我想在整個的我們農業部負責的這個就是市場上市前的這些部分應該我們的農民因為現在的租價也還不錯的價格他沒有任何理由因為乙型受體素也是禁用的沒有任何理由去使用這個乙型受體素這是第一個部分那至於後市場的檢驗的部分那其實很多檢驗的部分以農業部來講我們做檢驗的時候通常都會 |
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多抽取幾件做備份萬一檢測的時候會有一些可能的誤差的時候還可以啟動另外我舉例好了啦如果現在是由農業部去查到這樣的狀況下的時候那你們會不會更謹慎來做一個這樣我想以農業部的的檢測的一個流程裡面來講我們會分兩個部分就是當他的數值比較接近於檢測極限的時候很接近的時候對然後他的本身的檢測的那個那個 |
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我們就會更謹慎的去拿另外一個備份的樣品去重新做檢測然後檢測出來如果結果一致性的時候才會去做後續的處理我希望這些東西都在未來我們都希望這樣的事情應該去那個就是說我也希望除了衛生單位的一些經驗我也希望農業單位因為你們是豬的這個主管最高主管豬農的權益都在你們的手上 |
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我也希望你們能夠適度的表達一些意見給所有的各政府單位在這件事情上面能夠更加謹慎的想因為就我們的常理的判斷台糖它是國營事業基本上沒有去造假的利益的空間更何況這個東西它沒有實際成本上面沒有就是你看不到它的動機 |
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所以沒有動機狀況下 如果當發生事情的時候 恐怕必須要再三去推究他為什麼會發生這樣的狀況 這樣恐怕比較不會產生現在發生的事件是台糖 若是一般的豬農的話 這個豬農恐怕承受不了這一個月這樣的處理 |
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所以我說這段時間豬價都很不錯但是我也認為也因為發生這個事件之後我相信國人在使用豬肉產品的時候一定受到很大的一個影響一定有受到影響因為他相對比較沒有信心嘛所以我希望這件事情未來應該成為我們不怪任何人也不不奇怪但是我認為這應該形成政府的一個標準的一個程序應該要更謹慎去防止 |
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這樣的事件的再次的一個發生就一旦如果有的時候至少讓所有的各體系的人更謹慎去處理的事情這樣比較避免這後面還有問題的因為台糖後面還會造成他的他包含他的信譽的損失包含甚至他這段時間整個損失的部分還有相關的球場問題所以我認為這個部分如果可以經過這樣的經驗大家有更好的一個程序的話可以減少這事件發生未來發生的機會 |
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我想我們在跨部會在工作會議在討論的時候我們也提出了非常多的這些檢測的標準的作業流程有沒有什麼樣可以改進的空間這個部分我想我們都有相關的這些討論我也希望農業部要表達意見因為這個台農台糖也是豬農萬一這是其他一般的豬農的話那恐怕大概是倒定了 |
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對阿他後面的球場恐怕先倒了在球場還不知道球場什麼時候所以我的意思說我認為這件事情應該農業部還是要有他的立場在我再舉個例子好了啦我自己其實本身我都會買台糖的豬肉你看這段時間到昨天到今天早上說台糖的梅花肉到現在是完全捕獲中捕獲中 |
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您知道他申請了嗎? |
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我瞭解在上個禮拜齁他們有說他們會去申請我例如說一方面我希望這個調查呢盡快出來因為出來的時候大家更有信心另一方面如果對台糖的部分不要說是一般台糖就其他甚至豬農會遇到這樣狀況下我認為農業部都應該都應該更繼續如果確保他是安全的都應該給予協助他們盡快度過這個難關啦齁 |
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因為他是台糖是國家的虧也是虧人民的那但我認為這事情應該還要有更積極的一些處理啦好不好我希望他們是安全的是那個話那就應該讓他們能夠能夠讓他們能夠順利的上架要不然這個損失會持續的擴大好不好 |
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再我請教一下當然也要謝謝這個農業部來支持錢振宇港的我這要講的是這樣啦上半年前的時候我們錢振宇港幾乎是被抹了半年的時間啦那最後從一開始不管是從3000萬的簡單的整理的部分到後來我們爭取那還是我擔任的時候來爭取的10億的一個 |
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到後來院長們也看到下水道50年沒做包括周邊的船員服務中心該做外勞來這邊外籍的漁工來這邊的時候被看到在路邊洗澡叫在洗澡然後這些都讓台灣的國際形象是不好那我們都知道一類漁港這是中央主管的漁港50年來沒做的事情我認為做這件事情都是應該的啦那我覺得這一段時間其實是被這樣的不斷的 |
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攻擊跟抹黑這半年來我沒有看到任何人有去檢舉甚至去檢調去查甚至什麼都沒有罵完之後就跑跑了以後就沒事了我認為其實這國家的建設不應該是這樣的發展我也認為部長怎麼看待這整件事情我想當初前面漁港的一個擴建當然他有他的時間跟時間序那最後核定的其實當初的蘇院長他看到是一個整體的部分 |
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他不是說看到該修一個東西就修一個所以整體的部分包括整個的漁市場包括那個這當然是不一樣的東西嘛你請原先只是做個簡單的整理的部分到後來你還加了很多加強包括你的下水道50年沒錯你做了下水道原先的3000萬沒有下水道嘛 |
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就是很多該做的事情後來爭取到該做的時候建設本來就是該進行的你把那個東西去抹黑它去攻擊甚至是不是有歪戈是不是有貪汙這個都過頭了這半年來完全沒有任何一個案子去立案去調查連檢舉都沒有檢舉所以我意思說如果像這樣的事情有的話我還是希望未來農業部要更積極的去做澄清跟說明我也認為社會臺灣如果要進步不應該朝這個方向走 |
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正正為了嘴巴如果都是這樣隨意亂講不負責任的講的話其實對所有認真做事的公務員都是不公平的我舉個例子像我們的下水道工程已經在今年的1月7日完工了那整個下水道工程完工以後對於整個區域的排水的部分對於漁港的水就會非常乾淨高雄市是直轄市啦高雄市只有這個地點是50年來還沒有做下水道的所以就是凸顯出本來就該進行的事情好不好我希望這個 |
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最後一個問題我請教一下先乳的部分國內很多人很喜歡用新乳也喜歡鮮乳但是我們現在的鮮乳的部分當時有提到就是說國外的一些乳品進到台灣來我們先乳是10天國外的可能可以到90天那部長原先有講到一個月內會提出鮮乳跟非鮮乳的一些明確定義方案這個出來了嗎 |
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我想我們已經跟我們的所謂的乳品業者相關的討論然後也初步有在規劃一些已經送到在應該在2月底應該3月底之前會送到送到行政院沒有送到衛生部那邊去討論那我要強調的是國外的殺菌的方法因為有低溫有高溫有超高溫的部分還有後續的包裝是不是在無菌的狀態之下 |
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所以這個部分我們希望說用長效率的方式我只是希望適度的讓國人知道一方面也做一些區隔一方面也是讓國人知道說我們自己的產品其實是14天內的我跟委員報告其實以我們國內的技術我們要3個月也可以可是相對的就是說國人的購買的信息我們的需求不需要拉到那麼長不需要拉那麼高所以其實 |
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接下來我們請鍾嘉斌委員請做詢談 |
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主席、在黨委員、先進、列席的政府機關組長、官員、會長、工作夥伴、媒體記者、女士先生。那麼有請陳部長和農糧署的蘇代理署長以及農經署的李署長。好,我們請三位。好,部長好、兩位署長好。今天我要談的呢,就是來談農業保養。保長啊,你對我們的農業保養你有滿意嗎? |
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我覺得在執行面我覺得還有很多改進的空間好 那我們看一下27種品項、43張保單有這幾種有氣象參數型的、政策連接型的、區域收穫型的、收入保障型的但是有一個叫做時損時賠型的要地面人員或空派去勘損後判斷損害多少才能理賠那農業保險的覆蓋率比2015年不到1%到現在8年後有超過一半你有滿意嗎你覺得好不好 |
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部分的品項不滿意部分的品項不滿意好來我告訴你你看齁其實呢這個過半的在這27個品項當中呢只有什麼水稻、高粱、豬跟牛是相當高其他齁我們屏東的齁鳳梨、香蕉、木瓜、蔗、蓮霧、芭樂 |
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三天都是個位數甚至不到1啦你覺得阿這樣的農業保險感覺上互靠率可能慘兮兮嘛為什麼 |
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這幾個比較高的品項都是屬於正在行的一個保險比較低的部分事實上我覺得農民的危機意識還有就是保單的設計可能沒有辦法滿足農民的真正需求 |
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第一就是農民的觀念,我經常跟我們的農友說,這次你去關於藉由藍車團隊保養,你高二三十高出去你當然希望你不要賠嘛,保平安嘛,你保這個農業在海保養,統合是沒賠啊,保有它收起但是我沒辦法像孫先生那樣統合嘛,他們很痛苦,但是另外的就是保證的設計在真正發生損害的時候,要求啊,明明有損害,都賠不中,這樣是完蛋嘛 |
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我趕快幫你衝啊 是不是這樣子 是所以我們現在問題來了 好 我以鄉下保險為例這是一個實際的案例 它的耕地呢 是東西向的但是呢 用無人機齁 不然說是用無人機去推車 南北向飛啦 飛到那一地齁 剛好沒到啦 但是一堆窗齁 |
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當西邊的這邊都到,你如果說是東西向的飛,就會看到他的耕地的損害狀況,全貌但是呢你這樣南北向飛,就沒看到啊,沒損害啊,你認為這樣會不會有爭議? |
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如果是這樣應該會有爭議好那為什麼保險公司會要這樣做因為保險公司考量成本我找他們來協商我跟保險公司說啊你的無人機你們就賣這麼久了欸他說委員啦無人機也很久了欸我如果說叫他每一間餐廳都賣到頭頭齁那稍後賣那麼久齁當然無人機公司都賣不了啦 |
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| transcript.whisperx[502].end |
13495.061 |
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欸 好像有道理但你們規定2019 2019年相應到植株保險示範期間每鄉鎮的航拍面積要大於頭髮面積10%現在到2020年要提高到30%他怎麼費不是每一個正經街道有保險嘛他就選擇有頭髮的欸用最小的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[503].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[503].text |
分區採樣使用無人機分區定損採樣採樣有科學根據啊我電話民調 |
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| transcript.whisperx[504].end |
13540.028 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].text |
一萬個票我抽一千個票我就知道要購買嘛我不用賣一萬個票在店內嘛但是這個科學根據在哪裡保險公司我們聽到什麼樣講保險公司去找無人機飛無人機飛什麼地方他說進行去要票要事先申請做得不錯我就專門挑什麼沒有進行的地方飛一飛這樣就好了有膏帶你說採樣啊這樣有符合你們的要求嗎 |
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| transcript.whisperx[505].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[505].text |
所以我希望你們這個科學根據隨機抽樣 你們要訂出一個規範 可以嗎? |
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| transcript.whisperx[506].end |
13548.322 |
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比如說無人機公司說要配對就配 只要有問題就可以啊 這樣農民會不服嗎?我想未來我們的經濟 我們後續會跟我們的農經局這邊討論 飛行路徑的規劃非常重要對 這個符合科學的抽樣標準 可以嗎?對 這個可以 我們可以來改變 |
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13577.363 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].text |
另外告訴你其實無人機是不便宜的但是過去我們怎麼樣來看呢?不是只有災後再來看平常農糧署、平常農業部就要透過什麼?透過你們的遙測機有飛機對不對?你們有飛機嘛還有什麼?衛達還有衛星還有合成孔徑、雷達 |
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| transcript.whisperx[508].end |
13601.443 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].text |
他從遙測的方式他是大面積的掃描平常就可以記錄作物的生長狀況有沒有有症沒有有結果沒有都看得出來災損的時候比較不會有爭議不然無人機飛過的地方沒有飛的地方他說有損害就滾滾的都倒還是沒收有爭議所以為了這個方式我們希望你們能夠擴大使用遙測機跟衛星拍照為了在自己的地方精進讓我們的大面積的掃描成為一個常態性的記錄可以嗎 |
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13611.267 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].text |
比對一下 |
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| transcript.whisperx[510].end |
13651.921 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].text |
然後這樣子的話對於未來你有沒有種植對 這個至少可以馬上檢查就是在爭議的時候保險公司說 啊沒有檢查到你就沒有賺嘛 有賺沒賺農民啊除了拿他手機APP對不對 你們要有一個方法嘛我現在都跟農民說用手機拿一個銀座佐證嘛所以呢 未來需要一個什麼 需要一個整理一個調處機構因為有了這些資料之後呢 我們來看一下目前的規定呢 可以怎樣 農業漁會等等保險人的農業保險整理調處辦法 |
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他有兩個,一個是跟農業會提出申訴另外一個去找金管會管的經銷法設置的爭議處理條組基礎我覺得如果是跟農業去申訴他們金融專業人員比較少,對保險的了解比較少那如果去找什麼,去找目前之前我們的那個不講了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[512].text |
你知道嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[513].start |
13692.117 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].end |
13692.618 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].text |
提出書面報告,可以嗎?可以 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].start |
13721.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].end |
13728.967 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].text |
另外,時損時負的農業保險抽樣一遭投保農民質疑．請農業部一個月內檢討空賣的抽樣方式．並修訂出程序規範． |
| transcript.whisperx[515].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[515].end |
13753.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].text |
謝謝主席,我請陳部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].start |
13779.517 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].end |
13794.553 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].text |
拜託,在去年的時候我們對進口雞蛋討論的非常非常多那在去年在立法院也有很多委員在質詢包含院長還有包含我們當時農委會 |
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就是有關進口雞蛋當時的說法是說會一直進口到今年的6月份那我想請問一下我們到現在還有在進口雞蛋嗎? |
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| transcript.whisperx[518].text |
我想當初在訂的長約的部分因為它是屬於長約是到今年的6月但是我們在同時進口的同時我們也針對國內的富養提出了一個改善的方案以現在來講沒有進口現在沒有進口從11月多應該12月的的時候就沒有再進口了都完全是國內的雞蛋 |
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從去年的11、12月之後在我們市面上包含業蛋的部分也都沒有進口雞蛋嗎?我們都沒有進口但是業者他可能有民間他有可能自己的需要而進口對對當然所以我意思說我們政府部門並沒有就完全沒有再進口雞蛋 |
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那麼再請教但是問題是就是在去年因為我們有非常多的這個雞蛋根本沒進口雞蛋根本沒有辦法消化所以我們大概有5580萬顆的過期雞蛋我們最近才看到到現在還沒有銷毀到底為什麼會要拖這麼久的時間那我們也會擔心 |
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這麼長期都沒有銷毀有沒有可能這些過期的雞蛋這中間會不會又重新的流入市面? |
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我跟委員報告就是有關於已經報廢掉廢棄的這些雞蛋的部分我們都有專案列管而且同時我們在那批雞蛋的進出的時候都有第三方因為現在都有封存的第三方會監督的直接進到我們的對位處理場所以我想民眾不用擔心這些雞蛋又會流到市場去 |
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所以你在這邊可以保證 絕對保證 這個過期就當時我們說要銷毀的進口雞蛋 絕對沒有長期流入市面 絕對我可以保證 因為我們的進出都有 不管是殼蛋 或者是液蛋 對 好 那問題是現在銷毀了嗎 銷毀了5500 那個部分我們在去年已經 已經招標的部分 |
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那現在遇到一個比較實務的問題就是因為雞蛋要去做堆肥本身各縣市政府要同意他在再利用的項目裡面要增加一項可以拿這些雞蛋那什麼時候可以銷毀到現在沒有銷毀 |
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各個縣市齁總共有14家可以做協助做堆肥的現在有4家已經取得了其他的是在等縣市政府同意所以你現在到現在有5000超過5000萬顆雞蛋沒有銷毀那問題又變成是在縣市政府囉 |
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不是,我不是說限制政府,因為照規定齁,這些...你可以先告訴我一個時間,什麼時間之前你一定要把它銷毀,你這次留在這邊幹什麼?我們的合約是120天之內,120天之內,但是它是以取得限制政府同意以後的120天,我們才會處理 |
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所以你現在要推給縣市政府因為遲遲沒有同意所以你這120天從什麼時候開始計算都不知道請問一下我們這樣增長這些進口雞蛋五千多萬顆 這個流程有沒有問題阿我想跟委員說明喔第一個就是我們絕對不會把責任推到地方政府因為他是新的品牌你會不會流到應該都變成有小雞出來阿 |
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你給我個時間好嗎? |
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| transcript.whisperx[529].text |
我本來是期待就是說縣市政府現在已經有4家可以的話4家就可以開始啟動陸續啟動這樣的話不用等到14家全部通過啦這樣的話效率會比較快啦那我們期待就是說120天的話能夠如果說3月底之前完的話大概在5月底開始可以全部把它完成 |
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| transcript.whisperx[530].text |
我不曉得在台灣銷毀過期雞蛋還要這麼這麼長的時間,這個效率實在是非常非常的驚人啦,好謝謝 |
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14079.755 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].text |
所以那個部長每一個委員都關心這個問題他不會變小青因為你每天在撩顛啦所以要加油好接下來我們請丁學中委員丁學中丁學中委員不在現場我們請 |
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| transcript.whisperx[532].text |
徐富奎委員、徐富奎委員、徐富奎委員不在現場我們請蘇清泉委員、蘇清泉、蘇清泉委員不在現場我們請莊瑞雄委員、莊瑞雄、莊瑞雄委員不在現場我們請賴世保委員、賴世保、賴世保委員不在現場我們請林思敏委員、林思敏委員、林思敏委員不在現場我們請馬文君委員、馬文君、馬文君委員不在現場我們請林佩祥委員、林佩祥、林佩祥委員不在現場 |
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14138 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].text |
李燕秀委員李燕秀委員李燕秀委員不在現場林德福委員林德福林德福委員不在現場黃建豪委員黃建豪黃建豪委員不在現場王美惠委員王美惠委員王美惠委員不在現場何新淳委員何新淳何新淳委員不在現場林俊憲委員林俊憲委員林俊憲委員不在現場麥玉珍委員麥玉珍委員麥玉珍委員不在現場 |
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| transcript.whisperx[534].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[534].text |
委員委員委員委員委員委員委員委員委員 |
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| transcript.whisperx[535].end |
14188.02 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].text |
備與委員、陳培宇委員不在現場請賴慧元委員、賴慧元委員、賴慧元委員不在現場登記發言委員除不在現場之外請以經與發言完畢、詢答結束我們有委員陳冠廷委員、徐富奎委員所提書面質詢列入記錄、刊登公報書面質詢及未答覆的部分請相關單位於一週之內 |
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| transcript.whisperx[536].end |
14196.687 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].text |
以書面答覆並複製本會．那麼本日所列議程處理完略．星期三繼續開會現在休息 |
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| transcript.whisperx[537].text |
委員會主席 |
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| transcript.whisperx[538].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[538].text |
議員委員會議員 |