| IVOD_ID |
156792 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/156792 |
| 日期 |
2024-11-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-35-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期外交及國防委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
12 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期外交及國防委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-11-13T11:45:14+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-11-13T11:51:12+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:05:58 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/cf2bdefc150f66789d61f62daabb3d6f5158c0789247a306ce953f66f7e5060593c5041e5e26a2c65ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:45:14 - 11:51:12 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-11-13T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期外交及國防委員會第12次全體委員會議【含秘密會議】（事由：一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於國防部主管收支公開及機密部分（不含國家安全局部分)。（僅詢答）
二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算關於國防部主管非營業基金：（僅詢答）
（一）作業基金：
1、國軍生產及服務作業基金。
2、國軍老舊眷村改建基金。
3、國防醫學院軍事教育基金。
（二）資本計畫基金－國軍營舍及設施改建基金。） |
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有請國防部的顧部長來部長請Sir 賴委員好你好 這個我時間很少希望你就簡單我問很簡單的問題你就簡單的回答這個關於有大家關心的啦就是大家關心的說 |
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路透社啊什麼的國際媒體說台灣要跟美國買將近5000億的軍購你前面都有說明我知道了我就問你一個F35有沒有可能 |
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各位委員報告我想所有可能對於我們這個平時應對灰色地帶跟暫時這個拒止這個共軍犯台的這樣子的一個必要的這個相關的武器都會在我們的考量之內但是具體的這些哪一些個別的武器裝備我想我們會循這個台美的交流機制來跟美方進行溝通 |
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這個F35基金是不可能嘛因為他這個要同盟國才有而且要出他的研發經費我們也沒有出那這個基本上我就不知道啦齁這個 |
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所以我們不會對個別的裝備來加以有任何的評論這個話當然是我們的官方放出來的嘛這個一定是我們的這個高層或者你們國防部或者總統府那邊國安會那邊放出的消息啊這個結果放出來接到林鄭月娥說啊這方略是太這個太這個外行了齁我想這個川普啊等一下因為我時間有限我就問你 |
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川普說台灣要付保護費啊到底要付多少他才會滿意啊你能不能回答一下台電從軍購以及晶片到底是多少你心裡有沒有我想我之前都已經回答了我們 |
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與南美之間的軍事交流就非常的綿密而且已經制度性了這個制度已經是一個制度化的一個軍事交流的一個機制讓我們任何的這個如果要向美軍購這個相關的這個武器裝備或者甚至訓練等等我們都是循這個機制來提出去的那所以也要符合事實上我們雙方都認同這個是一個符合作戰的實際需要 |
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我們的國防經費是不是會每年提高就你這個 |
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我們國防部的立場我剛剛已經說明了我們現在近3年都平均成長大概8%左右所以我們預期應該希望國防預算還是能夠穩健的成長就是穩健每年8%成長我沒有敢說我們一定會成長多少8%不夠啦如果按照川普的講法8%怎麼夠 |
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起碼要20%以上每年要成長20%好我現在給你一些的觀念概念川普是生意人你同意吧生意人出身但是美台還是有一個共同利益我知道但是生意人出身來請問你了解川普嗎我想我不適宜在這裡對這個好就可以引用一下全世界公認 |
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很瞭解川普的人一個叫安倍晉三已經過去了他講過川普重視數字而不是價值台灣現在我們的政府強調什麼民主同盟在川普來講不重視他要逼他就說要嘛就達成協議否則拉倒我講這些話都是安倍晉三講的那我就告訴你 |
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這個川普一定要求我們基尼部隊買更多的武器就在問題在於是不是我們要的而這個數字呢我都覺得因為我們現在請問你知道我們現在每年賺美國多少錢你知道嗎貿易順差您說台灣跟美國的貿易順差你知道多少嗎一年我現在手上沒有這個數字最少500億美金有人講600億有人講700億甚至於2023有到800億 |
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這個數字是值得特別是國防部長你要認真去看川普心目中的就是生意人嘛你抱著這麼多錢我要把你武器把你賺回來會不會全部的全部拿走這多少錢呢兩兆喔所以跟他的百分之十就很接近啦百分之十怎麼來的從這數字那裡的 |
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這是我的這樣子解讀啦我告訴告訴你看你看安倍晉三怎麼形容川普他就是看數字不是我們政府一直一天到晚講哇同盟價值民主價值可以呢盡量講但是要做生意啦你看到這麼多錢我相信美國絕對不希望台海發生戰爭因為這不符合美國的利益 |
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阿我們付到多錢怎麼會有戰爭呢那所以第二個接下來我們自我防衛能力的提升的需要的情況之下我們會跟美國購買何於何於能夠提升自我防衛能力的這樣的武器最後一點一個小點上一次我問的那個無人機有限無限請你給我們一個報告可以嗎部長 |
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有限無限無人機打無人機無人機有的有限有的無限怎麼樣營業這裡上一次部長不在把資料給我資料給我謝謝賴世寶委員 |
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謝謝主席、各位先進。 |
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有請國防部顧部長。 |
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部長請。 |
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是，賴委員好。你好。 |
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時間很少，希望你就簡答，我問很簡單的問題，你就簡單地回答。 |
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關於大家關心、這是大家關心的啦！ |
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賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2024-11-13T11:45:16.410000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2024-11-13T11:45:50.070000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].text |
就是路透社等國際媒體說臺灣要跟美國買將近五千億元的軍購。 |
| transcript.gazette[6].quality |
0.852 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2024-11-13T11:45:50.070000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2024-11-13T11:45:51.751000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].text |
你在前面都有說明，我知道啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2024-11-13T11:45:52.532000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2024-11-13T11:45:55.856000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].text |
那我就問你一個，F-35有沒有可能？ |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2024-11-13T11:45:57.742000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2024-11-13T11:46:19.979000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].text |
跟委員報告，所有可能在我國平時應對灰色地帶跟戰時拒止共軍犯臺的必要武器都會在我們的考量之內，至於具體上是那些武器、裝備，我們會循臺美交流機制跟美方進行溝通。 |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
0.877 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2024-11-13T11:46:22.062000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2024-11-13T11:46:23.284000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].text |
F-35幾乎不可能嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2024-11-13T11:46:23.584000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2024-11-13T11:46:32.298000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].text |
因為要同盟國才有，而且要出研發經費，我們也沒有出，基本上……我就不知道啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2024-11-13T11:46:32.298000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2024-11-13T11:46:33.545000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].text |
怎麼會有國際媒體…… |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2024-11-13T11:46:33.545000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2024-11-13T11:46:38.389000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].text |
所以我們現在不會對個別裝備有任何評論。 |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2024-11-13T11:46:38.389000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2024-11-13T11:46:40.471000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].text |
這話當然是我們的官方放出來的嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2024-11-13T11:46:41.572000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2024-11-13T11:46:49.058000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].text |
一定是來自我們的高層，或者是你們國防部、或者是總統府那邊、國安會那邊放出來的消息啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
0.868 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2024-11-13T11:46:50.059000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2024-11-13T11:46:57.105000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].text |
結果放出來以後，又讓人家覺得放得也太外行了。我想…… |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2024-11-13T11:46:58.847000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2024-11-13T11:47:03.840000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].text |
等一下，因為我時間有限，我就問你，川普說臺灣要付保護費啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2024-11-13T11:47:04.700000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2024-11-13T11:47:06.241000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].text |
到底要付多少他才會滿意啊？ |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2024-11-13T11:47:06.581000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2024-11-13T11:47:07.321000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].text |
你能不能回答一下？ |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2024-11-13T11:47:09.282000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2024-11-13T11:47:11.903000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
他一定從軍購以及晶片下手，至於到底是多少，你心裡有沒有譜？ |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0.692 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2024-11-13T11:47:14.705000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2024-11-13T11:47:44.891000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].text |
我之前都已經回答了，臺美之間的軍事交流其實非常綿密，而且已經是制度性的了、已經是制度化的軍事交流機制，我們如果要向美軍購任何武器、裝備，甚至訓練等等，都是循這個機制提出去的，所以事實上，我們雙方都要認同這個採購符合作戰的實際需要。 |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
0.905 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2024-11-13T11:47:44.891000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2024-11-13T11:47:48.053000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
請問你喔！ |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2024-11-13T11:47:48.053000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2024-11-13T11:47:52.363000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].text |
川普上臺以後，我們的國防經費是不是會每年提高？ |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2024-11-13T11:47:52.583000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2024-11-13T11:47:52.784000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].text |
我就問你這個。 |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2024-11-13T11:47:53.980000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2024-11-13T11:48:06.306000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].text |
關於我們國防部的立場，我剛剛已經說明了，近三年都平均成長8%左右，所以我們預期、希望國防預算還是能夠穩健地成長。 |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
0.92 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2024-11-13T11:48:06.306000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2024-11-13T11:48:10.988000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
就是穩健、每一年以8%成長？ |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2024-11-13T11:48:10.988000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2024-11-13T11:48:11.988000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].text |
甚至8%以上？ |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2024-11-13T11:48:10.988000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2024-11-13T11:48:13.749000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
我不敢說一定會成長多少，但是…… |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.769 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2024-11-13T11:48:14.729000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2024-11-13T11:48:15.009000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
8%不夠啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2024-11-13T11:48:15.350000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2024-11-13T11:48:16.410000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
如果按照川普的講法，8%怎麼夠？ |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2024-11-13T11:48:18.747000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2024-11-13T11:48:20.168000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
起碼要20%以上啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2024-11-13T11:48:20.629000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2024-11-13T11:48:22.130000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
每年要成長20%。 |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2024-11-13T11:48:22.130000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2024-11-13T11:48:27.054000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
好，我現在也給你一些觀念、概念。 |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2024-11-13T11:48:28.695000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2024-11-13T11:48:30.136000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
川普是生意人，你同意吧？ |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2024-11-13T11:48:30.797000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2024-11-13T11:48:31.437000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
他是生意人出身。 |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2024-11-13T11:48:32.498000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2024-11-13T11:48:34.620000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
但是美臺還是有共同利益。 |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2024-11-13T11:48:34.640000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2024-11-13T11:48:34.960000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
我知道啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2024-11-13T11:48:35.240000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2024-11-13T11:48:36.121000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
但他是生意人出身。 |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2024-11-13T11:48:36.741000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2024-11-13T11:48:37.362000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
請問你了解川普嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2024-11-13T11:48:37.362000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2024-11-13T11:48:37.722000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
我想，我不適宜在這裡作任何評論。 |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.643 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2024-11-13T11:48:37.722000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2024-11-13T11:48:53.671000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
好，我引用一下，全世界公認很了解川普的一個人叫安倍晉三，人已經過去了。 |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.871 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2024-11-13T11:48:54.211000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2024-11-13T11:48:57.673000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
他講過川普重視數字，而不是價值。 |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2024-11-13T11:48:58.533000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2024-11-13T11:49:03.615000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
在臺灣，現在我們的政府強調什麼民主同盟，但在川普來講不重視啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.893 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2024-11-13T11:49:03.615000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2024-11-13T11:49:03.755000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
他要deal！ |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.333 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2024-11-13T11:49:05.335000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2024-11-13T11:49:07.596000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
也就是說要嘛就達成協議，否則拉倒。 |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2024-11-13T11:49:08.036000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2024-11-13T11:49:10.617000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
我講的這些話都是安倍晉三講的！ |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2024-11-13T11:49:11.278000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2024-11-13T11:49:19.891000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
那我就告訴你，川普一定會要求我們進一步買更多武器，問題只在於是不是我們要的。 |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2024-11-13T11:49:21.152000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2024-11-13T11:49:24.513000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
至於數字，我倒覺得，因為我們現在……請問你知道我們現在每一年賺美國多少錢嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.848 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2024-11-13T11:49:24.513000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2024-11-13T11:49:25.753000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
你知道貿易順差嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2024-11-13T11:49:26.093000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2024-11-13T11:49:26.093000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
你是說…… |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.333 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2024-11-13T11:49:26.093000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2024-11-13T11:49:26.834000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
臺灣跟美國的貿易順差你知道有多少嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.941 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2024-11-13T11:49:26.834000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2024-11-13T11:49:26.854000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
以一年來說。 |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.4 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2024-11-13T11:49:26.874000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2024-11-13T11:49:27.114000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
我現在手上沒有這個數字。 |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2024-11-13T11:49:27.194000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2024-11-13T11:49:27.994000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
最少500億美金！ |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2024-11-13T11:49:28.094000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2024-11-13T11:49:47.127000+08:00 |
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也有人講600億元、有人講700億元，甚至2023年到800億元，這個數字是值得特別是國防部長，你要認真去看！ |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.865 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2024-11-13T11:49:47.987000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2024-11-13T11:49:50.649000+08:00 |
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在川普心目中的就是生意人嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2024-11-13T11:49:51.169000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2024-11-13T11:49:55.692000+08:00 |
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你把我那麼多錢賺走，那我要以武器賺回來。 |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.611 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2024-11-13T11:49:55.692000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2024-11-13T11:49:56.993000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
會不會全部拿走？ |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2024-11-13T11:49:57.313000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2024-11-13T11:49:57.734000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
那就是多少錢？ |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2024-11-13T11:49:58.654000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2024-11-13T11:49:58.794000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
你知道嗎？2兆喔！ |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.333 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2024-11-13T11:49:59.675000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2024-11-13T11:50:01.356000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
所以跟他的10%稅率就很接近啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.769 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2024-11-13T11:50:02.377000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2024-11-13T11:50:02.457000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
10%怎麼來的？ |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2024-11-13T11:50:02.477000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2024-11-13T11:50:02.777000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
這個數字從哪裡來呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.444 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2024-11-13T11:50:04.798000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2024-11-13T11:50:06.839000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
這是我這樣解讀啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2024-11-13T11:50:07.299000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2024-11-13T11:50:18.223000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
我也告訴你，要看一看安倍晉三怎麼形容川普，他就是看數字，不是我們的政府一直亂講的同盟價值、民主價值，可以儘量講，但是「A deal is a deal.」，是做生意啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0.7 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2024-11-13T11:50:18.223000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2024-11-13T11:50:19.223000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
你賺走我那麼多錢，我要把它領出來。 |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.267 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2024-11-13T11:50:18.503000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2024-11-13T11:50:19.824000+08:00 |
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但是跟委員報告兩點，我相信美國絕對不希望臺海發生戰爭，因為這不符合美國的利益。 |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2024-11-13T11:50:34.305000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2024-11-13T11:50:36.026000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
我們付那麼多錢，怎麼會有戰爭呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2024-11-13T11:50:37.187000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2024-11-13T11:50:48.275000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
所以第二點是接下來在我們自我防衛能力提升的需要之下，我們會跟美國購買合於提升自我防衛能力需求的武器。 |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2024-11-13T11:50:48.275000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
1 |
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2024-11-13T11:50:49.356000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
我知道啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2024-11-13T11:50:49.356000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2024-11-13T11:50:51.137000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
最後一點，是一個小點。 |
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0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2024-11-13T11:50:51.137000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2024-11-13T11:50:55.421000+08:00 |
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針對上一次我問的無人機，包含有線與無線，請你給我一份報告，可以嗎？部長？ |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0.742 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2024-11-13T11:50:57.882000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2024-11-13T11:50:58.223000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
有線、無線。 |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2024-11-13T11:50:59.184000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2024-11-13T11:51:04.954000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
無人機中有的有線、有的無線，要怎麼因應？ |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0.647 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2024-11-13T11:51:04.954000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2024-11-13T11:51:07.378000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
上一次部長不在，那請把資料給我，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0.706 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2024-11-13T11:51:07.378000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2024-11-13T11:51:08.378000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
時間關係，把資料給賴委員就好。 |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2024-11-13T11:51:08.079000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2024-11-13T11:51:08.240000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
資料給我。 |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2024-11-13T11:51:08.740000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2024-11-13T11:51:08.881000+08:00 |
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謝謝賴士葆委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2024-11-13T11:51:09.381000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2024-11-13T11:51:13.095286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
現在無線的無人機很少啦！有喔！ |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2024-11-13T11:51:13.395286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2024-11-13T11:51:14.823857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].text |
烏克蘭有喔！ |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
顧部長立雄 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2024-11-13T11:51:15.123857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[81].end |
2024-11-13T11:51:17.409571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].text |
你講的是反裝甲彈。 |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2024-11-13T11:51:17.709571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[82].end |
2024-11-13T11:51:19.709571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].text |
那是反裝甲彈啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2024-11-13T11:51:20.009571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[83].end |
2024-11-13T11:51:23.723857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].text |
無人機若是無線的，飛不到300公尺。 |
| transcript.gazette[83].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
賴委員士葆 |
| transcript.gazette[84].start |
2024-11-13T11:51:24.023857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[84].end |
2024-11-13T11:51:28.595286+08:00 |
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有有線的跟無線的，也有可以飛10公里的。 |
| transcript.gazette[84].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[85].start |
2024-11-13T11:51:28.895286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[85].end |
2024-11-13T11:51:31.181000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].text |
你說的是拖式2B吧！ |
| transcript.gazette[85].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[86].start |
2024-11-13T11:51:31.481000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[86].end |
2024-11-13T11:51:32.909571+08:00 |
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謝謝賴委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[86].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[87].start |
2024-11-13T11:51:33.209571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[87].end |
2024-11-13T11:51:37.209571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].text |
接下來進行詢答的是黃國昌委員。 |
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0 |
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賴委員士葆：（11時45分）謝謝主席、各位先進。有請國防部顧部長。 |
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主席：部長請。 |
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顧部長立雄：是，賴委員好。 |
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賴委員士葆：你好。時間很少，希望你就簡答，我問很簡單的問題，你就簡單地回答。關於大家關心、這是大家關心的啦！就是路透社等國際媒體說臺灣要跟美國買將近五千億元的軍購。你在前面都有說明，我知道啦！那我就問你一個，F-35有沒有可能？ |
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顧部長立雄：跟委員報告，所有可能在我國平時應對灰色地帶跟戰時拒止共軍犯臺的必要武器都會在我們的考量之內，至於具體上是那些武器、裝備，我們會循臺美交流機制跟美方進行溝通。 |
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賴委員士葆：F-35幾乎不可能嘛！因為要同盟國才有，而且要出研發經費，我們也沒有出，基本上……我就不知道啦！怎麼會有國際媒體…… |
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顧部長立雄：所以我們現在不會對個別裝備有任何評論。 |
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賴委員士葆：這話當然是我們的官方放出來的嘛！一定是來自我們的高層，或者是你們國防部、或者是總統府那邊、國安會那邊放出來的消息啊！結果放出來以後，又讓人家覺得放得也太外行了。 |
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顧部長立雄：我想…… |
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賴委員士葆：等一下，因為我時間有限，我就問你，川普說臺灣要付保護費啊！到底要付多少他才會滿意啊？你能不能回答一下？他一定從軍購以及晶片下手，至於到底是多少，你心裡有沒有譜？ |
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顧部長立雄：我之前都已經回答了，臺美之間的軍事交流其實非常綿密，而且已經是制度性的了、已經是制度化的軍事交流機制，我們如果要向美軍購任何武器、裝備，甚至訓練等等，都是循這個機制提出去的，所以事實上，我們雙方都要認同這個採購符合作戰的實際需要。 |
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賴委員士葆：請問你喔！川普上臺以後，我們的國防經費是不是會每年提高？我就問你這個。 |
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顧部長立雄：關於我們國防部的立場，我剛剛已經說明了，近三年都平均成長8%左右，所以我們預期、希望國防預算還是能夠穩健地成長。 |
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賴委員士葆：就是穩健、每一年以8%成長？甚至8%以上？ |
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顧部長立雄：我不敢說一定會成長多少，但是…… |
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賴委員士葆：8%不夠啦！如果按照川普的講法，8%怎麼夠？起碼要20%以上啊！每年要成長20%。好，我現在也給你一些觀念、概念。川普是生意人，你同意吧？他是生意人出身。 |
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顧部長立雄：但是美臺還是有共同利益。 |
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賴委員士葆：我知道啦！但他是生意人出身。請問你了解川普嗎？ |
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顧部長立雄：我想，我不適宜在這裡作任何評論。 |
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賴委員士葆：好，我引用一下，全世界公認很了解川普的一個人叫安倍晉三，人已經過去了。他講過川普重視數字，而不是價值。在臺灣，現在我們的政府強調什麼民主同盟，但在川普來講不重視啊！他要deal！也就是說要嘛就達成協議，否則拉倒。我講的這些話都是安倍晉三講的！那我就告訴你，川普一定會要求我們進一步買更多武器，問題只在於是不是我們要的。至於數字，我倒覺得，因為我們現在……請問你知道我們現在每一年賺美國多少錢嗎？你知道貿易順差嗎？ |
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顧部長立雄：你是說…… |
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賴委員士葆：臺灣跟美國的貿易順差你知道有多少嗎？以一年來說。 |
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顧部長立雄：我現在手上沒有這個數字。 |
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賴委員士葆：最少500億美金！也有人講600億元、有人講700億元，甚至2023年到800億元，這個數字是值得特別是國防部長，你要認真去看！在川普心目中的就是生意人嘛！你把我那麼多錢賺走，那我要以武器賺回來。會不會全部拿走？那就是多少錢？你知道嗎？2兆喔！所以跟他的10%稅率就很接近啦！10%怎麼來的？這個數字從哪裡來呢？這是我這樣解讀啦！我也告訴你，要看一看安倍晉三怎麼形容川普，他就是看數字，不是我們的政府一直亂講的同盟價值、民主價值，可以儘量講，但是「A deal is a deal.」，是做生意啦！你賺走我那麼多錢，我要把它領出來。 |
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顧部長立雄：但是跟委員報告兩點，我相信美國絕對不希望臺海發生戰爭，因為這不符合美國的利益。 |
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賴委員士葆：我們付那麼多錢，怎麼會有戰爭呢？ |
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顧部長立雄：所以第二點是接下來在我們自我防衛能力提升的需要之下，我們會跟美國購買合於提升自我防衛能力需求的武器。 |
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賴委員士葆：我知道啦！最後一點，是一個小點。針對上一次我問的無人機，包含有線與無線，請你給我一份報告，可以嗎？部長？ |
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主席：有線、無線。 |
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賴委員士葆：無人機中有的有線、有的無線，要怎麼因應？上一次部長不在，那請把資料給我，好不好？ |
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主席：時間關係，把資料給賴委員就好。 |
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賴委員士葆：資料給我。 |
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主席：謝謝賴士葆委員。現在無線的無人機很少啦！ |
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賴委員士葆：有喔！烏克蘭有喔！ |
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顧部長立雄：你講的是反裝甲彈。 |
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主席：那是反裝甲彈啦！無人機若是無線的，飛不到300公尺。 |
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賴委員士葆：有有線的跟無線的，也有可以飛10公里的。 |
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主席：你說的是拖式2B吧！謝謝賴委員。 |
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接下來進行詢答的是黃國昌委員。 |
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56 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_id |
委員會-11-2-35-12 |
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王定宇 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[1] |
羅美玲 |
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陳永康 |
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黃仁 |
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馬文君 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[5] |
沈伯洋 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[6] |
陳冠廷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[7] |
徐巧芯 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[8] |
洪申翰 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[9] |
羅廷瑋 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[10] |
賴士葆 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[11] |
黃國昌 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[12] |
洪孟楷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[13] |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[14] |
楊瓊瓔 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[15] |
林憶君 |
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陳培瑜 |
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1 |
| gazette.agenda.meetingDate[0] |
2024-11-13 |
| gazette.agenda.gazette_id |
1139702 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_lcidc_ids[0] |
1139702_00002 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_name |
立法院第11屆第2會期外交及國防委員會第12次全體委員會議紀錄 |
| gazette.agenda.content |
一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於國防部主管收支公開及機密部分（不含國家安全局部分)
（僅詢答）；二、審查 114 年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算關於國防部主管非營業基金：
（僅詢答）(一)作業基金：1、國軍生產及服務作業基金、2、國軍老舊眷村改建基金、3、國防
醫學院軍事教育基金；(二)資本計畫基金─國軍營舍及設施改建基金 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_id |
1139702_00001 |