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| 委員名稱 |
陳超明 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:06:36 - 11:16:32 |
| 影片長度 |
596 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-11-07T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國家發展委員會主任委員、經濟部部長、農業部部長、行政院經貿談判辦公室首長、外交部首長、大陸委員會首長就「我國當前經貿情勢分析及如何有效拓展國際經貿空間戰略規劃之相關政策作為，暨申請加入CPTPP進度說明、成員國立場分析與跨部會推動機制」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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請陳昌明委員謝謝主席首先有請我們經濟部的郭部長還有我們那個經貿談判公室顏副總 |
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委員好部長好那過去針對臺灣加入CPTPP這個議題我一共總執行問過5次在委會的執行問過14次那加入CPTPP及洽簽之餘貿易協定對臺灣尤其傳統產業的影響非常大所有非常關心 |
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那本席在108年剛好在有一個聚會得到一個消息日本邀請中國大陸加入CPTPP但是那時候跟執政黨也就是民進黨執政的政府報告他們言者沉沉聽者渺渺我發覺行政部門都沒有放在心上 |
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結果真的在110年9月16日中國大陸提出申請假日CPTPP我們臺灣在9月20日才馬上更進提出申請我還要特別說一下 |
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因為我是非常關注CPTPP但是我是收貸戶這個情形是怎樣當時新加坡有人來請託一件事情剛好裡面有一個成員是新加坡貿易談判的副代表 |
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他來選我的話是關於收購案、公司法我那個第幾條條我從來沒有噴出來請我開委員會的公聽會我也記者了但是我記者該跟他聊天的話那一年剛好是新加坡當輪值時期我就問他 |
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說我們台灣加入CPTPP到底怎麼樣他說日本在邀請中國大陸來參加我說沒有邀請台灣他跟我講你們台灣是不是要武力 |
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我就是因為欠了這個人情我打了一次來拜託一個公聽會我只打三分鐘給部長沒接也沒聽我打給你們府會、國會聯絡組一下我就覺得是這樣的事情結果我被關了45 |
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4個班內所以這個司法制度完全亂人我都不認識所以我是真的是受災戶所以我今天為什麼對CPTPP我大概都能了解這樣但是我剛剛看到你們在執行的回答的時候那個人 |
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那個副總談判代表你口才很好邏輯也非常好但是我發覺你地位很顯赫外交部臺灣美國事務委員會的執政委員喔這太大了這行政院經貿談判的代表但是我覺得你在講話沒實在 |
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如果我們要加入CPTPP第一個要有公司權才能進入它那個工作小組但是你台灣有成立工作小組有沒有幾個單位有沒有常常開會你告訴我我就知道有沒有 |
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我現在跟你講那裏面好幾個國家你要去分析我是不要別人啦我看你在說的吞吞吐吐我看你的眼神我有跟他們聯絡就有聯絡連日本說盤肉堅實的友邦我們就沒辦法人說新加坡你也沒辦法人說澳洲也沒辦法人說馬來西亞你也沒辦法人說 |
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那個比較那邊的國家我就不講了所以你們要他進來不進來我實在講你們一鼓起人會進來遙遙無期因為這裡面有很多政治的角力你們都不敢講 |
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也跟議中的政策都有關心你們真的是官員的話有擔當把這個困難講出來讓大家曉得嗎大家在某某乎乎我曉得你們這樣的態度我就不要那麼激情我也不會被關也不會被起訴真的是無妄自在很憐慌我先跟你們提了這一點第二點關於川普當選 |
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你要記得張忠謀在他運動大會講了兩句一句話自由貿易已死自由貿易已死地緣政治很重要那現在官貿帝國的川普商業要全部加稅我覺得對台灣我們實在應該處變不清 |
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兵來將擋,誰來處冤?在於那裡但是你要發掘到現在的選舉有兩派的實力跟臺灣高科技有關係一個是比爾蓋茲的勢力一個是馬斯克的實力我不知道你怎麼看先去研究一下那整個策略戰法 |
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我是覺得臺灣有它本身的條件羊毛吃在羊身上只要我們實力夠堅強我們的高科技裡面沒有關係你要怎麼來怎麼來但是那個那個元夫啊我們部長有一個他常常在講的政內關外關外政內你解釋一下 |
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你要瞭解臺灣的經濟政策你才能講出來不是我看他有瞭解你嗎他的將內將外你跟我解釋一下你不懂好那個謝謝委員的問題我試著來說明我的理解試著不是馬上就解釋 |
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經內關外我們就是希望我們可以把我們就是前幾百大的這些產業可以拉進來台灣那基本上我們不會去限定他一定要有特別的關稅區而是希望這些強大的投資的產業會進到台灣來跟台灣互相的交流部長我覺得你的idea理想很豐滿現實很骨感 |
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你要知道你經濟部投資臺灣方案什麼回來方案三大方案裡面南臺灣、臺灣在裡面那我剛剛聽了一個質詢我覺得很重要勢必要講 |
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我以為你是把臺灣這些關於高科技企業產業放在台積電的附近你要把它工廠過去任何一個產品我跟你講你有拉了整個台積電還有KOWAS的封裝跟測試其他的產業你要拉過去 |
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那生產的效力沒有啊你把台灣的產業拉過去台灣這邊空這樣我這邊要開台灣開一家工廠日本要開一家工廠歐洲要開一家工廠美國要開一家工廠不能這樣早才我們台灣的這要起了架了你那個企業出來我想說你這個倉庫的原來你要開工廠 |
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不要這樣,我告訴你生產規模要大才有競爭力啦到時開工廠到時虧錢啦到國外沒有保障的啦報告委員,你所這個指導的是非常正確我們企不會一下就開工廠沒有經濟規模絕對不會出我們的企業、企業料資我告訴你你有經濟規模我出處理的都一定會參與你如果開了台灣的 |
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IG產業、電子產業整個帶過去的話我跟你講是一個風險地緣政治我保護我保護澳門誰來保護我們台灣變成什麼人家餐桌上的菜單我跟你說我發覺台灣一點自主能力沒有怎麼不會搖擺一下等一下我靠大陸等一下我靠美國你台灣就有對話我不曉得這個政治這個樣子的話 |
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實在很感嘆,不要把臺灣玩完了,臺灣人真的很努力,有情務的精神。關於川普當選,免驚免驚,反正肚臟都斜蓋一樣的情形,我們只要成走應對就好,就看你了。 |
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我覺得多邊貿易很難了你要雙邊貿易趕快去完成尤其在中南亞我們只要的主力在這個地方好不好謝謝謝謝委員 |
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陳委員超明：（11時6分）謝謝主席，首先有請經濟部郭部長及經貿談判辦公室顏副總。 |
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主席：請經濟部郭部長及顏副總談判代表。 |
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郭部長智輝：委員好！ |
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陳委員超明：部長好！針對臺灣加入CPTPP這個議題，過去我總質詢一共問過5次，在委員會的質詢問過14次，加入CPTPP及洽簽自由貿易協定，對臺灣尤其傳統產業的影響非常大，所以我非常關注。 |
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本席在108年剛好有一個機會得到一個消息──日本邀請中國大陸加入CPTPP，但是那時候我跟執政黨（也就是民進黨）執政的政府報告，卻是言者諄諄、聽者藐藐，我發覺行政部門都沒有放在心上，結果在110年9月16日中國大陸真的提出申請加入CPTPP，我們臺灣在9月20日才馬上跟進提出申請，我為什麼要特別說這個？因為我非常關注CPTPP，但是我是受災戶，這個情形是怎樣？當初新加坡有人來請託一件事情，剛好裡面有一個成員是新加坡貿易談判副代表，他來請託我的是關於SOGO案，那個公司法第九條，我從來沒有碰觸，他來請我開委員會的公聽會，我也拒絕了，但是我在拒絕他、跟他聊天的時候，那一年剛好是新加坡當輪值主席，我就問他，我們臺灣加入CPTPP到底怎麼樣？他說日本在邀請中國大陸來參加，我說沒有邀請臺灣？他跟我講，我們臺灣自己要努力。就是因為欠了這個人情，我打了一次電話拜託一個公聽會，我只打給部長3分鐘，他沒接也沒聽，我打給你們國會聯絡組一下，就結束這樣的事情，結果我被關了4個半月，這個司法制度完全亂了，人我都不認識，我真的是受災戶！所以我今天為什麼對CPTPP大概都能瞭解。但是我剛剛看到你們在回答質詢的時候，顏副總談判代表，你口才很好，邏輯也非常好，我發覺你的地位很顯赫，外交部臺灣美國事務委員會的主任委員，這很大耶，又是行政院經貿談判的代表，但是我覺得你講話不實在。如果我們要加入CPTPP，第一個要有共識決，才能進入它的工作小組，但是臺灣有成立工作小組嗎？有沒有？幾個單位？有沒有常常開會？你跟我說一下我就知道有沒有。那裡面好幾個國家，你要去分析，我是不想逼你們，我看你講話時吞吞吐吐，我看你的眼神，說有跟他們聯絡就有聯絡，連日本是我們堅若磐石的友邦，我們都沒辦法跟他們講，新加坡你也沒辦法跟他講，澳洲也沒辦法跟他講，馬來西亞你也沒辦法跟他講，比較那邊的國家我就不講，所以你們要不要它進來？你們預估幾年會進來？遙遙無期，因為這裡面有很多政治的角力，你們都不敢講，跟一中的政策都有關係，你們當官員有擔當的話，把這個困難講出來讓大家曉得嘛！大家在模模糊糊，如果我曉得你們這樣的態度，我就不要那麼積極，我也不會被關，也不會被歧視，真的是無妄之災，我先跟你們提到這一點。 |
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第二點，關於川普當選，你要記得張忠謀在運動大會上講了一句話，自由貿易已死，地緣政治很重要。現在關貿帝國的川普上任要全部加稅，我覺得臺灣應該處變不驚，兵來將擋，水來土掩，就隨他去，但是你要發覺到現在的選舉有兩派勢力跟臺灣高科技有關係，一個是比爾蓋茲的勢力，一個是馬斯克的勢力，我不知道你們怎麼看，稍微去研究一下。整個策略戰法，我是覺得臺灣有本身的條件，羊毛出在羊身上，只要我們實力夠堅強，對我們的高科技來說，沒有關係，你要怎麼來就怎麼來。但是顏副，有一個部長常常在講的「境內關外」、「關內境外」，你解釋一下，你要了解臺灣的經濟政策你才能講出來。部長，我看他有沒有了解你。部長說的「境內關外」、「關內境外」，你跟我解釋一下。你不懂？ |
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顏副總談判代表慧欣：謝謝委員的問題，我試著來說明我的理解，「境內關外」就是希望我們可以把前幾百大的這些產業拉進來臺灣，基本上我們不會去限定它一定要有特別的關稅區，而是希望這一些強大的投資產業會進到臺灣來，跟臺灣互相的交流。 |
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陳委員超明：部長，我覺得你的理想很豐滿，現實很骨感，你要知道，經濟部的投資臺灣方案、臺商回臺方案等三大方案，臺灣花了多少錢在其中，我剛剛聽了一個質詢，我覺得很重要，勢必要講，我以為你是把臺灣這些關於高科技的產業放在台積電的附近，你要把那些工廠拉過去，你拉了台積電還有CoWoS的封裝跟測試，但是其他的產業你要拉過去，那裡沒有生產的效率，你把臺灣的產業拉過去，臺灣這邊空了，他們要在臺灣這邊開一家工廠，日本要開一家工廠，歐洲要開一家工廠，美國要開一家工廠，不要這樣糟蹋我們臺灣的這些企業家，你是業界出身，我以為你是要開倉庫，原來你要開工廠，不要這樣，我跟你講，生產規模要大才有競爭力，到處開工廠到處虧錢，到國外沒有保障的啦！ |
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郭部長智輝：報告委員，你所指導的非常正確，我們去不會一下就開工廠，沒有經濟規模絕對不會帶我們的企業去那邊賠錢，我帶出去的都一定會賺錢。 |
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陳委員超明：你把臺灣IC產業、電子產業整個帶過去的話是一個風險，他們對於地緣政治風險要求保護，那誰來保護我們？我們臺灣變成人家餐桌上的菜單，我發覺臺灣一點自主能力都沒有，怎麼不會搖擺一下，一下我靠大陸，一下我靠美國，如此臺灣就有地位，我不曉得政治這個樣子的話，實在很感嘆，不要把臺灣玩完了，臺灣人真的很努力，有勤奮的精神。 |
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關於川普當選，不用怕，反正全世界都遇到一樣的情形，我們只要沉著應對就好，就看你們，但是我覺得多邊貿易很難了，你要雙邊貿易趕快去完成，尤其在東南亞，我們主要的主力在這個地方，謝謝。 |
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郭部長智輝：謝謝委員。 |
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主席：謝謝陳超明委員語重心長，發人深省，令人敬佩。 |
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下一位質詢請賴瑞隆委員。 |
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林岱樺 |
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邱議瑩 |
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楊瓊瓔 |
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陳亭妃 |
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張啓楷 |
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鄭正鈐 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
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謝衣鳯 |
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呂玉玲 |
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陳超明 |
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賴瑞隆 |
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林楚茵 |
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陳培瑜 |
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黃仁 |
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馬文君 |
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賴士葆 |
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麥玉珍 |
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張嘉郡 |
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林德福 |
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陳冠廷 |
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蔡易餘 |
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賴惠員 |
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林倩綺 |
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黃建賓 |
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2024-11-07 |
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立法院第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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邀請國家發展委員會主任委員、經濟部部長、農業部部長、行政院經貿談判辦公室首長、外交部
首長、大陸委員會首長就「我國當前經貿情勢分析及如何有效拓展國際經貿空間戰略規劃之相關
政策作為，暨申請加入 CPTPP 進度說明、成員國立場分析與跨部會推動機制」進行報告，並備質
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第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
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