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| 委員名稱 |
黃國昌 |
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12:17:52 - 12:26:27 |
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515 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-10-30T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第9次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請經濟部部長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
二、邀請經濟部部長、環境部首長就「我國對設置SRF發電廠之規劃評估，及設置SRF發電廠對我國環境之影響」進行報告，並備質詢。） |
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黃國昌總召來發言。請總經理。 |
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委員好兩位好部長延續上一次諮詢的主題針對有關於我們在再生能源的發展上我們是大力支持但有一個重點我們的政府不能只會淪為喊口號要實際的藉機理局的去做 |
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2025年20%已經確定跳票了你們陸陸續續又把發展的路徑給呈現出來了上一次質詢部長的時候請教部長的是發展的路徑那部長說不是線性關係也不是函數關係跟裝置容量是有關係的上次您答的是這樣那我請您把你們評估的基礎資料 |
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當時的主席也是我們今天的呂昭偉說一個禮拜之內要答覆我到目前還沒收到還要拖多久?還要拖多久?你只要給我一個時間我後面還有其他的主題因為我覺得很遺憾我們在委員會質詢要的資料昭偉也裁釋了經濟部不給就不給 |
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我需要利用質詢的時間苦苦哀求嗎?請你們提供基礎資料有這麼困難嗎?只是我們這一兩個禮拜你也非常清楚我們有很多的事情在準備那沒有關係啊你有困難就跟趙偉講不要才是一個禮拜啊趙偉的才是是假的嗎?還需要多久?還需要多久? |
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只要給我一個時間不要浪費質詢時間在講這種我要利用質詢的時間來要資料還需要多久我們會部內裡面馬上討論這個命題再一個禮拜好我不好好可以好下個問題齁我基本上齁要問的事情是說在你們目前的評估當中有一個非常重要的政策議題農電共生還要不要再做要 |
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要再做嘛我跟部長回顧一下可能你從企業界來啊之前這個臭不可聞的農電共生到底發生什麼事情啊可能你不是很清楚來看一下這個是2018年的時候在我們的行政院一樓內廂會議室舉行的會議當時是由張景生政委所主持找來一堆 |
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綠門的業者其中有一個其中有一個他的兄弟是潘孟安的愛將叫做呂正燕目前這位先生他已經逃跑了他因為掏空案現在被通緝了這個是法務部調查局的通緝系統人已經跑了人已經跑了 |
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找了一堆不肖的業者到我們的行政院開這種農電共生的會議在討論什麼事我再繼續代部長看要求什麼臺塘市出750公頃的農地安排廠商跟潘孟安見面我先請教一個問題目前我們農電共生的政策還會不會要求臺塘市出農地 |
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我們在政策上面我想是持續的啦如果說會還是不會會嘛我現在要了解一下你現在來請一下台堂總經理 |
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當初這一段 因為我知道你是去年才升總經理的嘛 是是當初這一段你有沒有參與 報委我沒有參與你沒有參與嘛 跟委員報告我們目前也沒有接到任何說要我們釋出農地然後要做農電共生的這個指示到目前為止沒有嘛 是是是我要拜託台堂齁 是 |
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紮產、光電配合國家政策我基本上是不反對但不能胡搞瞎搞連台塘重要的林地都跑去做規劃當初2018年在開始這樣胡搞瞎搞的時候要求台塘兩個月內要提出銀龍型專區計畫書這個都有會議紀錄 |
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全部都是行政院的高官帶著廠商在行政院開黑箱會議建於我們台堂的土地到目前為止你沒有介紹這樣的指示是嗎?是那跟委員報告就是說之前的這個銀龍型專區的這個計畫我們已經停止推動目前已經停止為什麼停止推動?因為我們就是據我了解就是說之前有在 |
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地方召開說明會那因為地方的一個民意沒有支持所以我們就沒有再推動臺龐喔是守住立場是是好來再繼續請部長延續著啦從行政院開始找一些阿薩布魯的廠商來開秘密會議接下來再看齁這個飯局我問過狗明星他承認了 |
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紅船線聯合再生我們的國發基金跟我們的耀華玻璃投了30億下去前面投資錢虧損了100多億大家都在問國發基金我們國發基金什麼時候變成紓困基金結果他說這個是綠能國家對未來會賺錢 |
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結果我們國發基金投進去以後現在又虧了一百多億但這不關經濟部的事情關經濟部的是什麼事情胡搞瞎搞經濟部張斌工業區地給了聯合再生結果他搞什麼事情啊綠能國家隊馬上違約出售套利2.63億這件事情我從去年開始追 |
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結果呢我追的時候啊我說什麼說聯合再生用特別股創造虛偽的假象說他沒有移轉結果經濟部這也跟你沒關係前一任部長發新聞稿罵我說他否認啊寫新聞稿幫聯合再生護航遮醜來我們繼續往下看今年夏天我們的監察院終於醒來了 |
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監察院糾正的內容就是我去年開始揭發的內容我一路追追到今年夏天監察院終於說我講的沒有錯那現在關鍵來了聯合再生這樣胡搞瞎搞經濟部、昌濱工業區的地要不要收回來 |
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報告委員,我經濟部的態度就是依法處理了。對啊!現在檢察院都糾正啊!違約事實明確啊!那依法處理地要回來啊!法上,法律如果規定地要回來,我們就會把地要回來。 |
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需要多久回覆? |
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不要再寫幫忙遮醜包庇的新聞稿啦我看不下去啦要不要終止租約?基金部的立場是什麼?一個禮拜之內書面回覆可以嗎?我們要一個月要一個月?好我給你一個月的時間這件事情知事提到這種不孝的躺傷政府該有的作為拿出魄力來好謝謝 |
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黃委員國昌：（12時18分）謝謝主席，有請部長…… |
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主席（呂委員玉玲）：請郭部長。 |
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黃委員國昌：還有台糖總經理。 |
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主席：請總經理。 |
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郭部長智輝：委員好。 |
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黃委員國昌：兩位好。 |
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部長，我延續上一次質詢的主題，針對我國再生能源的發展，我是大力支持啦！但有個重點，我們的政府不能淪為只會喊口號，而是要實際地、劍及履及地去做啦！2025年20%的目標已經確定跳票了，也陸陸續續又把發展路徑給呈現出來了，上次我質詢部長的時候，請教部長的是發展路徑，部長說不是線性關係，也不是函數關係，跟裝置容量是有關係的，上次您答的是這樣。那我請您提供你們評估的基礎資料，當時的主席也是今天的呂召委裁示一個禮拜之內要答復，但是我到目前還沒收到啊！還要拖多久？還要拖多久？你只要給我一個時間，我後面還有其他主題。 |
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我覺得很遺憾啊！對於我們在委員會質詢中要的資料，召委也裁示了，但經濟部不給就是不給！我需要利用質詢的時間苦苦哀求嗎？請你們提供基礎資料有這麼困難嗎？ |
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郭部長智輝：報告委員，沒有困難，只是…… |
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黃委員國昌：好，那什麼時候要給？ |
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郭部長智輝：只是你也非常清楚，我們這兩個禮拜有很多事情在準備…… |
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黃委員國昌：那沒有關係啊！你有困難就跟召委講不要裁示一個禮拜啊！召委的裁示是假的嗎？ |
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郭部長智輝：是，對不起…… |
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黃委員國昌：還需要多久？ |
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郭部長智輝：我想這個…… |
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黃委員國昌：還需要多久？只要給我一個時間，不要浪費質詢時間講這種事，讓我利用質詢時間要資料。還需要多久？ |
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郭部長智輝：我們部內會馬上討論這個命題，馬上給…… |
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黃委員國昌：再一個禮拜好不好？ |
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郭部長智輝：好。 |
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黃委員國昌：可以，好。 |
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下一個問題，我基本上要問的事情是在你們目前的評估當中有一個非常重要的政策議題，農電共生還要不要再做？ |
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郭部長智輝：要。 |
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黃委員國昌：要再做嘛！ |
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我跟部長回顧一下，你可能因為從企業界來，對於之前這個臭不可聞的農電共生到底發生什麼事情不是很清楚。來看一下，這是2018年在行政院一樓內廂會議室舉行的會議，當時是由張景森政委所主持，找來一堆綠能的業者，其中有一個他的兄弟是潘孟安的愛將─呂政諺，他因為掏空案，正被通緝中，這是法務部調查局通緝系統的資料，目前這個人已經逃跑了。找了一堆不肖業者到行政院開這個農電共生的會議討論什麼事？就是安排廠商跟潘孟安見面，要求台糖釋出750公頃的農地。本席請教一個問題，目前我們農電共生的政策還會不會要求台糖釋出農地？ |
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郭部長智輝：我想我們在政策上面是持續的，如果…… |
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黃委員國昌：會還是不會？會嘛？ |
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郭部長智輝：我現在要了解一下…… |
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黃委員國昌：請問台糖總經理，我知道你是去年才升總經理的，當初這一段你有沒有參與？ |
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陳總經理立人：報告委員，我沒有參與，不過…… |
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黃委員國昌：你沒有參與嘛！ |
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陳總經理立人：跟委員報告，我們目前也沒有接到任何要我們釋出農地，然後要做農電共生的指示。 |
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黃委員國昌：到目前為止，沒有嘛！ |
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陳總經理立人：是，是。 |
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黃委員國昌：我要拜託台糖，配合國家政策，發展光電，本席基本上不反對，但不能胡搞瞎搞，連台糖重要的林地都拿去做規劃。2018年開始這樣胡搞瞎搞的時候，要求台糖在兩個月內提出營農型專區計畫書，這些都有會議紀錄；全部都是行政院的高官帶著廠商在行政院進行黑箱會議，覬覦台糖的土地。到目前為止，你們沒有接到這樣的指示嗎？ |
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陳總經理立人：是。跟委員報告，之前的營農型專區計畫，目前我們已經停止推動。 |
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黃委員國昌：為什麼停止推動？ |
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陳總經理立人：據我了解，之前曾在地方召開說明會，因為地方民意沒有支持，所以我們就沒有再推動。 |
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黃委員國昌：台糖要守住立場。 |
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陳總經理立人：是。 |
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黃委員國昌：繼續請教部長，從行政院開始找一些「阿沙不魯」的廠商來開秘密會議，接下來再看這個飯局，我問過龔明鑫，他承認參加，還有聯合再生的董事長洪傳獻；我們的國發基金跟耀華玻璃投了30億下去，投資前它虧損了一百多億，大家都在問我們的國發基金何時變成紓困基金，他們說這個是綠能國家隊，未來會賺錢。結果國發基金投進去之後，現在又虧了一百多億。這個不關經濟部的事，關經濟部的是什麼事情？經濟部彰濱工業區的地給了聯合再生，綠能國家隊馬上違約出售套利2.63億，真的是胡搞瞎搞！本席從去年開始追這些事情，我說聯合再生用特別股創造虛偽的假象來說它沒有移轉，結果經濟部前任部長發新聞稿來駡我，寫新聞稿幫聯合再生護航遮醜！ |
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今年夏天監察院終於醒來了，糾正的內容就是我去年開始揭發的內容，我一路追到今年夏天，監察院終於說我講的沒有錯。現在關鍵來了，聯合再生這樣胡搞瞎搞，經濟部彰濱工業區的地要不要收回來？ |
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郭部長智輝：報告委員，經濟部的態度就是依法處理。 |
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黃委員國昌：對啊！現在監察院都提出糾正了，違約事實明確，違法的土地就得要回來啊！ |
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郭部長智輝：法律如果規定地要要回來，我們就會把地要回來。 |
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黃委員國昌：你回去看一下，你們當初招標的條件，簽出去的租約，上面是怎麼寫的；再回去看一下，監察院的報告。 |
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郭部長智輝：是，我們回去會去了解這個案子，也會依法行事。 |
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黃委員國昌：需要多久回復？不要再寫幫忙遮醜、包庇的新聞稿，我看不下去！要不要終止租約？經濟部的立場是什麼，一個禮拜之內書面回復，可以嗎？ |
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郭部長智輝：我們要一個月。 |
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黃委員國昌：好，給你一個月的時間。這件事情茲事體大，對這種不肖廠商，政府該有的作為，拿出魄力來。謝謝。 |
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主席：因為我們中午不休息，請工作人員發便當給大家。 |
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請羅智強委員質詢。 |
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呂玉玲 |
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林岱樺 |
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楊瓊瓔 |
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邱議瑩 |
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張啓楷 |
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鄭正鈐 |
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陳亭妃 |
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謝衣鳯 |
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黃健豪 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[9] |
邱志偉 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[10] |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
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賴瑞隆 |
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賴士葆 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[13] |
蘇巧慧 |
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黃國昌 |
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羅智強 |
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蔡易餘 |
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王育敏 |
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徐欣瑩 |
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高金素梅 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[20] |
伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe |
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沈伯洋 |
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羅廷瑋 |
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陳冠廷 |
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涂權吉 |
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黃珊珊 |
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張嘉郡 |
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陳超明 |
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2024-10-30 |
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1139102 |
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1139102_00005 |
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立法院第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第9次全體委員會議紀錄 |
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一、邀請經濟部部長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢；二、邀請經濟部部長、環境部首長就「我國
對設置 SRF 發電廠之規劃評估，及設置 SRF 發電廠對我國環境之影響」進行報告，並備質詢 |
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1139102_00004 |
| IVOD_ID |
156323 |
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https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/156323 |
| 日期 |
2024-10-30 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-19-9 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期經濟委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-10-30T12:17:52+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-10-30T12:26:27+08:00 |
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ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |