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| 委員名稱 |
郭國文 |
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10:08:18 - 10:21:28 |
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| 會議時間 |
2024-10-30T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期財政委員會第5次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請金融監督管理委員會彭主任委員金隆率所屬機關首長暨中央存款保險股份有限公司、監管相關機構有關之財團法人、臺灣證券交易所股份有限公司、臺灣期貨交易所股份有限公司、臺灣集中保管結算所股份有限公司等董事長、總經理列席業務報告，並備質詢。二、繼續審查「證券交易稅條例」5案：(一) 行政院函請審議「證券交易稅條例第二條之二及第十二條條文修正草案」案。(二) 本院委員羅明才等20人擬具「證券交易稅條例第二條之二條文修正草案」案。(三) 本院委員賴士葆等25人擬具「證券交易稅條例第二條之二及第十二條條文修正草案」案。(四) 本院委員伍麗華等19人擬具「證券交易稅條例第二條之二及第十二條條文修正草案」案。(五) 本院委員邱志偉等19人擬具「證券交易稅條例第十二條條文修正草案」案。三、審查「證券交易稅條例」5案：(一) 本院台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「證券交易稅條例部分條文修正草案」。【本案如經院會復議，則不予審查】(二) 本院委員林楚茵等19人擬具「證券交易稅條例第二條之二條文修正草案」案。(三) 本院委員李坤城等22人擬具「證券交易稅條例第二條之二條文修正草案」。【本案如經院會復議，則不予審查】(四) 本院委員賴惠員等37人擬具「證券交易稅條例第二條之二及第十二條條文修正草案」案。(五) 本院委員蔡易餘等16人擬具「證券交易稅條例第二條之二及第十二條條文修正草案」。【本案如經院會復議，則不予審查】四、審查金融監督管理委員會函送「延長調降當日沖銷交易稅之稅式支出評估報告」及「研商延長調降當沖交易證券交易稅實施期間」公聽會之會議紀錄案。五、討論中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案（含附屬單位預算及綜計表－營業及非營業部分）審查日程暨審查分配表草案。【10/30及10/31，兩天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席,有請彭主委請彭主委 |
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委員長主委好主委那個最近我們金管會有想要加速監理這一個虛擬貨幣的業者然後要把洗錢法相關的執法提早到今年的12月我覺得這是好事情這簡單的講就是提早納管但是既然有上個禮拜還有立委說叫金管會不要上路我實在很難理解這個邏輯 |
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那我認為你要提早上路的狀況的話最關鍵的原因在哪裡呢我覺得有一點阻力的地方在於銀行公會在去年有通過一個自律規範這自律規範當中呢它基本上呢 |
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執行之後就有聽到許許多多業者來說呢被停戶啦不給開新戶啦無法增資我不曉得你曉不曉得也許銀行局長也會知道這種狀況在這種狀況底下呢因為我們在整個洗錢防治法通過之後我們有要求業者必須開立兩個帳戶一個是財務帳戶一個是業務帳戶那如果這種情況底下不能開的話那要如何納管 |
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執行端不配合那你的執法再怎麼定母法再怎麼快速的通過執法再怎麼提前那要如何落實主委是這個當然就是說銀行他根據他們的自立規範他會判斷說這家公司的品質 |
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他決定要跟他往來這個確實是銀行在實務上當比如說今天如果說他們今天是沒有很明確的理由然後就全部不開這個我們通常會介入協調我們在過去的時候有很多的案例不只是VASP我們像比如說像P2P主委我認為這是時間差啦銀行工會銀行工會的部分是在202311月底的事情那現在我們打詐的部分陸續修法是今年下半年之後是的 |
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所以在這個部分我們有打詐這個專法的這種情況底下你應該讓這個自律規範適時的予以放寬他如果沒有納管基本上你沒有給他有賬戶的話你也查不到他的金流嗎主委是不是 |
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當然就是檯面化是我們管理很重要但是就是銀行他自己有他自己的風險的空管這點委員我可不可以請銀行局長簡單的回答一下我沒有什麼時間啊銀行局長我相信他的專業會給你做一個完整的報告但是我只有一個要求既然執法要提早上路12月那你就應該把這12月的問題在12月當前解決不要變成執法上路結果實務上 |
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那個執行端卻出了問題可以嗎對我來瞭解一下假設他真的是有這個困難瞭解一下好不好那上週我就教於您的部分有說你上次提到所謂的這個資產管理中心的這個部分說要壯大投信的部分要把這一個這個類權委的部分這一個開放 |
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這一點本席去了解一下因為跟你們所知拿不到我們自己查了以六大受選公司的這一個內全委的委託我們大概初步估計了一下月月佔整體的這一個投資型保單大概超過一半以上一半 |
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然後另外列權委的這個商品根據我們的統計大概237項之多其中有66%將近7成都是委託給這個外商投信也就是說這個外商投信它在右邊的這個圖案當中只能投資什麼 |
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境外基金跟ETF那是Puget、摩根、斯洛德、富達等等每一個授權跟他圈的都只能投資境外那我問你啊你的壯大投信是壯大本土投信還是壯大外國的投信啊我們當然是壯大本國的投信對啊,比例上現在都是在都是給這境外基金ETF啊 |
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對不對所以就是等於把臺灣人的錢推到國外而且這些啊都去買垃圾債這些啊都是投入新的市場都是高風險 |
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你把臺灣的資金推到剛風險委員這其實有點小誤會啦其實我們剛才講雖然我們是要壯大本國的資產管理業當然我們剛才講本國資產管理業剛才做這些事情他也沒有限制這不是說只有本國的外國才可以去沒有我沒有說外國可以喔如果外國可以就百分之百一部分你們一部分的這些六大受險都是下放給他旗下的一些那個基金的代鈔代鈔的那個公司阿就是簡單給他們自己的頭信阿對那 |
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這個我沒有說不可以啦他是壯大自己的金融機構那本來無可厚非但是其他就跑到國外去了嘛這是第一啦第二個你的資產管理中心的任務不是要留資嗎?是阿就把資金推往外呢而且是高風險的曝險呢這根本是矛盾的事情嘛主委是所以說這個東西你要去思考一下喔這我一定會來思考2022年我念給你聽啦境外基金當中很多還投資什麼恆大恆大地產 |
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投資什麼?還投資什麼?碧桂園這兩間都倒了啊當初這些錢都被沖銷掉了你知道嗎?真實的狀況你不一定了解這個其實我們都有在監控不過剛才委員提到沒有錯確實有投資恆大、碧桂園不過相對的金額並沒有是一個很顯著的就是有這些投資標的嘛就倒掉了嘛這樣已經被沖完不然你去把它找出來嘛那主委 |
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我就跟你講念一段話曾經有一位教授他姓彭彭教授他在2022年4月1號的時候對這個投資保單大賣的時候有投書這個彭教授所吸收資金後的委託他業進行投資這是否是保險所鼓勵的除了導致基金全部轉往投資型保單商品之外在引流這一巨巨大的民間油資去處時是否應該有更明確的方向跟做法 |
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都是在把這個投資型商品的銷售熱潮下應該要好好的審思主委你對這個彭教授的內容有沒有感受到有熟悉感阿有阿這是我一向的主張對這是你一向的主張阿你的主張是這樣子阿你的這個具體的解決方式是怎樣子你難道要把台灣的資金任由外資這樣子牽著鼻子走跑來跑去嗎當然不是當然不是我剛剛問 |
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跟我們報告的意思就是說我會寫那篇文章主要是提醒就是說我們要均衡就是說我們今天的保險的功能它本來就有一個投資型保單它本來就是兼具有投資的功能它本來就是這樣但是另外還有一個保障的功能那我只是說我們通常在景氣的時候呢很多保險公司呢大概就會以這個為主 |
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那其實上要考慮到未來當不景氣的時候這其實上是未來可能有生意風險你客氣了你這個說法你就是對這個投資型保單感到高度的質疑嘛你只是點到為止而已嘛他有兩面性他有兩面性對你有兩面性啦對啊你包牌的寫法啦我沒有說啦他因為損益是由客戶來致富啦這是一個他很重要的特徵我必須跟你說啦你上個禮拜比較老比較直接啊了當了說就是美喬商會跟歐洲商會在找 |
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人、遊說啦我跟你說這個遊說的人不只是美喬商會跟這個外商而已還有包括你們內部的人你們內部人的立場其實跟這個外商都站在一致的立場他拼命的遊說啦我不要講說誰啦以前在政企局啦現在在保險局啦你要搞清楚啦這也在考驗你的領導統一的能力啊是謝謝委員提醒你們後面的金管會員有在笑啦 |
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沒有我想主要是這樣因為其實站在一個政府立場我們不只哪個哪個單位或機構團體他的提的建議我們都會考慮但我們不會只以他的意見為主投資人的錢很重要儘管會最重要把關者就是你保護投資人你保護他推進火坑好不好 |
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當然當然這我們會來努力你如果真的要壯大投信的話也不是壯大國外投信要壯大本土投信要壯大本土優質的投信你之前就提過壯大投信要從什麼開始從你們自己提到的躍進計畫開始啦你們躍進計畫從2015年就有了最近呢今年又有做一些修改簡單的講要精進啦目標要分期管理啦第三要差別待遇啦 |
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你把齊頭市的平等應該稍微放寬一下不要每一次每一個投信單位都只有一個你應該把級距稍微拉高表現好的我商品你提出的商品我加速審理或者把那個額度提高鼓勵啊正常的壯大投信壯大本土投信壯大本土優質的投信啊不是嗎是的 |
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那你這個基金計畫要好好改一改嘛我們其實一直都在調整啦剛剛委員的指正我們會期讓大家投信你沒有把資金留到臺灣結果把資金拱手讓人去進行一些高風險的商品的操作那怎麼對我叫你這個要好好檢討啦我真的反對你這個把這個這個在全委開放啦最後我再跟你討論一下有關於這個這個南非幣的事情我上禮拜請教於你你有沒有想到什麼好的因應方法 |
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現在當然就是說我已經有指證了我們就去先把這個所謂的曝險部位我們先做一個瞭解再去分析他們的屬性以及看看他們的到底會有多大的影響到底這是一個什麼樣的影響比如說我們知道銀行跟保險跟證券那當然現在是以證券的金額是佔比較多你們之前公布的金融商業有641億的公債南非必計價的基金有2265億但是少 |
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作為計算本期幫你加一個是投資型的保單368億再加上這個南非幣的存款就是我是從央行這邊調來的總共是4216億啦總額是這樣子的,目前的金額高達4000億以上其一,其二你要怎麼做 |
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我講白一點我跟你探討一個問題啦這個問題其實是過去常常提到外交就是所謂的金錢外交我覺得要如何變成形成一個金融的外交台灣的金融實力可以作為一個外交一個很重要的槓桿的一個武器啊你身為這個主委你應該要善用我們的金融實力啊所以我上週特別提醒你這一點你說你沒有注意到那我給你一個禮拜的時間你還是沒回答出來還是要跟我回答資金的規模資金的規模跟我估計又不一樣 |
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可以怎麼做?當然就是我們假設我們商品的話先以風險處理為先那接下來我們來看說因為假設看它的政情變化我們怎麼樣去因應這個措施至少我們未來對這個商品的發行或什麼我們會有一些不一樣的看法發行有不一樣的看法?就緊縮?限制?當然就是未來可能就是未來那現有的呢? |
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現有的部分它很多都是有相關契約的規定有沒有可能南非幣計價可以改成美元計價有沒有可能這個當然是契約當時的約定啦我想是這部分可能那你去看看嘛這第二個有沒有可能把這一個風險懸殊把它提高成10倍有沒有可能 |
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這不是契約了吧這風險權術的部分我們要再來評估它真正的風險才能夠決定那有沒有可能限制金融商業投資南非國債的部分限期出脫有沒有可能我想所有的方法都可以評估中這業者都是你在管的嘛我已經跟你講三招了嘛第四招有沒有可能把金融機構從事南非交易者降低它ESG的平等分數有沒有可能全部都是你的權利欸 |
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主委 你的權力很大耶沒有 我想所有的謝謝委員的建議啦我們這個全部都可以納入評估全部可以納入評估可以一個方向你一個方案當然我們都會透露一下以那個風險明天我們就要被趕出去了耶主委 你要想到什麼時候明天月底了呢人家限制明天呢你還在想 |
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要不要先準備起來我們盡快來評估我給你一個禮拜了我再給你一天明天最後一天了所以明天颱風會來但是那邊沒有颱風架 |
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謝謝委員的提醒我想我們這部分我們會來請我們的業務單位技術來評估你告訴本席一下我跟你講的四個當中有三個你的權利就可以處理了跟合約無關我期望你在主委任內可以發展一個所謂金融外交的方式把台灣的金融實力展現出來主委有沒有可能當然這是一個思考方向啦過去我們並沒有 |
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本集對你充滿期待,謝謝你 |
| IVOD_ID |
156266 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/156266 |
| 日期 |
2024-10-30 |
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| 開始時間 |
2024-10-30T10:08:18+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-10-30T10:21:28+08:00 |
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