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| 委員名稱 |
林岱樺 |
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11:39:35 - 11:57:22 |
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| 會議時間 |
2024-10-24T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會「國土計畫法修正草案」公聽會【本案歡迎各直轄市及縣(市)政府提供書面意見】113年10月24日（星期四）上午9時至中午12時(視必要時得延長)開會地點：紅樓202會議 |
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好 那個本席啊針對國土心法倉促上路必定影響民眾權益那我相信今天整場的公聽會執行到現在我們大家都非常敬重邱文彥、邱老師、邱教授但是這一路您在推動但是現在公佈至今可以說是用全民大反彈 |
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來形容現在這個法案所以我也要請我們相關的部門包括內政部主責要很清楚今天我這個國土計畫法上路之後我解決了什麼問題而不是在製造無限的問題我現在看不出你所面對的問題現在所有的民怨 |
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你內政部或者當初推動的人有提出你的配套嗎沒有所以請不要再製造更多的問題那你說你解決了什麼問題你解決了國土的破碎嗎你解決了我的保育嗎你解決了我的這個農業自主力提高嗎我完全沒有好本席就一一的拔書 |
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國土計畫的功能延遲繳交這是現況那就是有些縣市基於地方的陳情暗塞太多他算不出來好那第二個國土計畫法的爭議那本席也幫我所見所聞來跟大家做個分享第三個國土計畫法的挑戰跟困難第四個民眾權益如何保障 |
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最後我有具體建議 |
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好 這個延遲繳交我們目前是到原則上113年12月以前內政部國審會就要進入到審議了那今年的6月就陸續報佈那確實狀況如何呢現在到5月現在為止未繳交的還有8個縣市 |
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國土工人分區劃分的爭議本席所見所聞跟大家分享第一個劃分土地使用分區時部分地區認為劃分方法未能兼顧經濟發展跟環境保護 |
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第2個農業發展地區劃設是過於嚴苛恐會影響人口增長或經濟發展需求更高這是本席非常匪夷所知我們現在國土計畫法叫做神的法案它完全沒有個案變更有它的個案變更只在於什麼那來地方五年通盤檢討全國的十年通盤檢討就本席所接到的選民服務只要地方五年通盤檢討一下它都得搞十年 |
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公共設施用地的規劃不夠充足可能造成日後的基礎設施是不足的 |
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三地聚落的劃分不能因原住民跟非原住民而有不同而要適用這樣的國土計畫法我們現在國土計畫我同樣在一個山區因為我是原住民身份我可以開發我不是原住民身份我在這個山區我不能開發我被你限制住了 |
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然後再來通盤檢討五年一次缺乏個案邊桿機制是阻礙區域發展而且這是沒收地方首長他對於一個城市發展的權益完全沒有地方發語權你說這是神的法案專制的法案再來他能面臨的挑戰跟困難我們說希望達到這些因應氣候變遷兼顧國土保育城鄉發展促進國土永續發展糧食安全我本席一一的破解 |
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制定與執行方面應遇到的哪些困難跟挑戰好民間反彈第一個較嚴格的土地使用管制可能影響部分民眾跟團體的權益我農地違規工廠我現在已經在變更當中了你們採不採幾乎一刀切全部都不用了都從頭來了都市跟因為我經濟部中部辦公室在處理的就是非都市計畫內的農地上工廠 |
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你們現在全部我們花了多大的力氣在農地上工廠的合法根本沒有限地合法這件事情如果有人說農地上工廠是就地合法那是在騙人每一個哪一個不是遵照相關的法規在執行好現在你這個審討下去之後我都市非都市計畫內的農地上工廠全部化為無有 |
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都市更新的整備地區原住民部落我們也反彈宗教的相關的所有的團體也在反彈你這個法之後我新辦中的沒有新辦已經申請的還未達到耕地變更的我已經新辦已經完成那也還沒達到變更的這些全部都沒有欸這些你們全部都不認了按照現在來講全部不認你們說你們這是在製造台灣的動亂 |
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好部門的衝突國土計畫法涉及的是多個中央跟地方政府的部門的權責跟責任內政部經部部農業部環保署現在是環境部部門之間對國土的目標原則指標分區等方向有不同的看法或利益考量就會產生溝通協調上的困難跟衝突 |
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執行效率你國土計畫要求中央與地方在一定期限內完成各級國土計畫的制定跟實施並定期檢討跟修正但是國土計畫是一項龐大且複雜的系統需要投入大量的人力物力跟時間你們的人力在哪裡你國土計畫變更的人力在哪裡 |
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行政中央跟地方的公務人員就好他本身對國土計畫法的認知是有一致嗎沒有我的人民認為我這個是開發區啊你政府認為是地方政府也認為是開發區啊你中央送上來不好意思我認為是國土保護區啊這就是現況好執行效率所以當然一定會你們光是公務人員體系中央地方有沒有一致的認知 |
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這沒有的好再來規劃劃設是不夠周全的連我們農業部前部長都說國土計畫法在完整三路前的執行過程背道是未到位的張景生政委他也發表在這個記者訪問他也講他說這個會是另外一個國土災難好這個風險有哪幾個風險一第一個難以達成國土計畫法的終止目標這才是本席 |
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我相信在這邊發言的人沒有人說他不支持我們的國家永續發展不支持環境保育沒有人我相信 |
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全球因海平面上升造成土地跟農地的受影響國家排名台灣名列前茅啊 |
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這將環境變遷國科會所提出的國家氣候變遷科學報告2024年現象衝擊及調適報告中更指出台灣各地所面臨的海平面上升的威脅 |
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淹水 破地的災害 地下水的補助不足這些氣候變遷 倘若農地發展地區第一類第二類是土地無水可用你怎麼能夠確保它糧食生產的可實現性第二個風險 風險二 良安所以剛才你的標準我全部一一給你破解掉 |
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兩岸風險的增加自給率絕對向低融一的面積是少於區域化區域計畫法中的特定農業區唷這句話是現在各縣政府呈上來你的融一面積竟然是少於我區域化法的特定的面積你說你要講什麼農業自主那個糧食自主率啊 |
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第2個原本只要約有3至4萬公頃河川地在不影響防洪的前提下長期做農業使用是台灣重要蔬菜瓜果的產地卻被列為國土保育區你看看我台灣西海岸河川地都在種植你現在劃下去國土計畫法之後好你說什麼良安 |
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那個是我重要的蔬果瓜菜類啊你們有沒有考慮到現況第三個我現在講本席講的本席當了七屆的立委來自地方我現在講的都是實況都市計畫下的10萬公頃的農地當中農業鋪陳盤點有近3萬公頃的是優良的農地英方在農業發展地區的第五類但最後各縣市政府卻是依據地方發展需求將大部分符合完整且高比例農用 |
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條件的榮地放入城鄉發展區這在屏東縣送上來的一清二楚他能夠高風險他全部這個是縣長英明說實在如果我是來自地方我會支持這樣做我要逃避你嘛但是真的有達到你的目的良安沒有最後上述三個地區加總超過10萬喔我河川地我10萬都市計畫下的10萬公頃的榮地 |
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等待包括你農業的面積這個超過10萬公頃是重要生產地的農地卻未列入優良農地的範圍這樣的農業發展地區劃設恐讓台灣的農業生產力降低導致糧食自主力下降提高糧食安全的風險風險三 農地管理及品質未提升 |
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農業部原來是預計將全國國土計畫劃設地區來模擬農醫的面積是多少33萬7千公斤但各縣市政府報上來的農醫才多少27萬7千公斤相較之下少了6萬公斤倘若土地管治管理制度為能合理配套處理必定造成農業生產力下降 |
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聽清楚 這個數據不是我講的 是現在送上來的資料風險是阻礙農業發展許多農業休閒地區或農場被劃為國土保育地區限縮了具百億元價值的休閒農場的發展若以為將山坡地直接劃為國土保育區就可以達到保育目的卻不細緻區分環境敏感程度及影響輕重 |
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除了畫色成果完成和事實有嚴重落差更會造成保育跟農業的雙數好這個是我們地方議員我這個高雄整個在這個整個山區高雄縣市合併12年這是我以市議會有議員他提出來的 |
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城鄉差距卻愈來愈大我高雄縣市六都當中又與高雄市的城鄉落差最為嚴重好我就以他這句話東高雄其美九區人口流失嚴重好城鄉均衡發展地方要求要有適宜性的產業發展 |
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這是我們來自山區喔都是農作的喔他也希望有能夠有產業發展增加就業機會合理化的預算分配跟優化基礎交通名聲是他們不是要蓋工廠但是他希望在農業的部分有農業的有農業的一個一個產業化好但是我們話說下去我整個東九區全部都叫做保育區了 |
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民眾權益如何保障國土計畫法實施前民眾已依區域計畫法等相關規定提出新辦計畫及申請用地變更為程序尚未完成後續怎麼辦理目前內政部說不出話來他們只有NO這個可嚴重了 |
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我未完成新辦事業計畫的第二種是已完成新辦計畫何種未完成使用變更編訂的再來第三種已完成新辦事業計畫及使用土地變更但未完成地級異動變更的各位長官這個如果今天國土計畫法真的在明年5月1號實施不好意思這三個全部化為烏有 |
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我具體要求國土工人分區劃分範圍較大不應剛性的一刀切分區劃設與法規應依定制宜且有個案變更的程序保有土地你說要保運就現有的區計法法加嚴處理就可以了 |
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國土計畫法修正草案 |
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好再來第一個本席認為各部會對於土地發展的目標不一應該由行政院主責協調各部會並配合國家重大發展的政策使國土計畫法花費最大效益第二個應給予地方政府較多的自主性以因應當地區域發展的需求現在每一個地方政府秘方所長奪平不分藍綠 |
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851.058 |
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854.1 |
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好 你這樣一線是整個地方發展首長都沒有話語權了啦連說話的講的話都是空頭白話哪一個產業不需要土 你講到任何東西都要土地啊好 重新檢視全台國土工人分區劃分社必要時派源縣地勘查派源縣地勘查以利劃設這個合適的分區第四個優先保留原生聚落的縣況好 像這個我就有意見 |
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880.999 |
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908.826 |
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你在山區當中人家這邊四代居住已經住了三四代了好那你就叫欸這個本來呢這個從35平可能變成了60平或者70平好現在呢你你到底國土計畫法是從你現在是70平這個現況認定還是說你們你們現在會引起民怨就是說好你現在原來按照現在的法規喔你還是只能35平啊但是你現在60平喔可以我允許你你要繳回饋金 |
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這是你們的做法我們政府單位做法但本期的做法就不是這樣我說你既然新法就新法認定你現在變成60坪我就認定你60坪好那你的污水處理我就要求你在山區當中檢疫的污水你要搬下去啊檢疫污水10萬塊就處理掉了政府可以補助啊這就是不會引起民怨我可以達到我環境的保育我可以兼顧我山區長久居住的居民的權益好好 |
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最後我具體建議我希望主席本席在這邊很難得看到一個可以藍綠有共識的法案我絕對支持我們立法院的言議希望主席你要有尬子 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
956.6 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
969.505 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
對於全民大反彈的法案我希望這個主席你真的要有尬子堅持在我們大家整個民意的收成之下你一定要全力讓他通過讓我們立法院的版本通過延長本期都認為不是延長啦都應該廢掉期限你要改革你要循序漸進哪幾個區你可以趕快先通過了哪幾個區 |
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1006.78 |
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台北市 金門 連江縣 金門縣 連江縣 嘉義縣他整個區都是都市計畫的區域啊你趕快先行啊其他有的你可以慢慢的爬梭哪幾個縣市你到底遇到什麼問題我去再爬梭的第二階段我再來做也許相關的你要達到國土計畫法的這些這五個你的宗旨那我們再去爬梭你可以怎麼做可是第一個階段循序漸進你這幾個縣市就可以讓他縣市先行了 |
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我剛才就具體建議台北市金門縣、連江縣加一市全區都是都市計畫他就先做吧其他的我們就慢慢再討論每一個北南都有分別東西都有分別所以我覺得這個都要兼顧否則你的國土計畫法當中我也很認同這五項這五項裡面我非常非常的認同但是你沒有這個國土的強行通過之後沒有一項你能夠達到的 |
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1035.462 |
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1049.171 |
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國土資源你要因應氣候邊界你要兼顧國土保安你要城鄉發展你要國土永續發展糧食安全全部沒有一項達到那你推什麼國土計畫法這是我高雄市整個原高雄縣原高雄市所有的農民農會我現在講的就是我270萬人民270萬270幾萬人口的高雄市農民的心聲謝謝以上好 謝謝 |
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1063.586 |
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1063.626 |
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林岱樺委員 |
| IVOD_ID |
156128 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/156128 |
| 日期 |
2024-10-24 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-10-24T11:39:35+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-10-24T11:57:22+08:00 |
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